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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey Thearon, Welcome back to the Book of Joe podcast

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Speaker 1: with Me, Tom Berducci and Joe Madden. Joe, for anybody

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Speaker 1: who maybe had like a three month vacation, can I

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Speaker 1: say that with a week and a half left in

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Speaker 1: the regular season.

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Speaker 2: You haven't missed much.

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Speaker 1: Let me put it to you this way, Joe, at

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Speaker 1: the All Star break, twelve teams in playoff position, they

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Speaker 1: are the exact same twelve teams in playoff position with

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Speaker 1: a week and a half to go.

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Speaker 2: How about that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I've seen a season like this where

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Speaker 1: no one's really made a run to upset the order.

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Speaker 3: That's a great observation, of course, I never even noticed that.

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Speaker 3: The thing that really stands out I just wrote down

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Speaker 3: five hundred. There's so many teams right around that mark

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Speaker 3: because of the extra wildcard spot. I know. I think

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Speaker 3: we've talked about this Mike goal and an a basis,

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Speaker 3: everywhere I managed was ninety wins was the benchmark, and

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Speaker 3: anything of course above that pretty much gave you an

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Speaker 3: opportunity to get to the playoffs when you're with the Rays.

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Speaker 3: We did win ninety did not get there, but it's

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Speaker 3: the extra wild card, and again, I don't know, it's like,

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Speaker 3: do you want to call it mediocrity. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: don't know what we want to call it, because it's

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Speaker 3: just the only team really well. The a Phillies and

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Speaker 3: right now. They're right around the ninety mark. I think

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Speaker 3: ninety ninety one something like that. But otherwise it's it's

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Speaker 3: kind of like, you know, it's a boat race in

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Speaker 3: regards to who could get like, I don't know, ten

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Speaker 3: games over five hundred, maybe eight definitely put you in

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Speaker 3: the playoffs this year. So that's the part that's interesting

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Speaker 3: to me. I'm not banging on that because I've always

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Speaker 3: I rallied for and thought that by doing the wild

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Speaker 3: was keeping fan bases engaged and involved, et cetera. But

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Speaker 3: the other part would be without trying to elongate the

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Speaker 3: stuff going on there. But that's a great observation regarding

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Speaker 3: the fact that everybody's in the same spot they had been.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and if we didn't have the extra wildcard, if

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Speaker 2: Team in each league, it would really be boring coming

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Speaker 2: down the stretch. So we still have some intrigue.

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Speaker 1: One thing it's a pet peeve of mine, Joe, is

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Speaker 1: lazy narratives. People just hold on to these ideas that

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Speaker 1: have no basis in fact. One of those, for instance,

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Speaker 1: left handed hitters are low ball hitters. It's not true.

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Speaker 1: I've checked the numbers year after a year, but factually

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Speaker 1: it's not true. I don't know why it would be

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Speaker 1: true that lefties would be.

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Speaker 2: Down in hitters.

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Speaker 1: When you have a left who's a down on it hitter,

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Speaker 2: Really is it that simple? The answer is no.

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Speaker 1: One we're going to get to as well is home

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Speaker 1: field advantage. It's overblown in baseball. We'll explain why as

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Speaker 1: we get along here. And the other one, Joe is

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Speaker 1: about experience when it comes to the postseason. Does it

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Speaker 1: help absolutely, But I look around the game today, Joe,

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Speaker 1: likely to get starts in the postseason. I'm a big

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Speaker 1: believer give me talent over experience.

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Speaker 2: Do I want them both? Absolutely, I want a guy

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Speaker 1: But I do not rule out young players, certainly less

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Speaker 1: than I would have in the past, Joe, because the

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Speaker 1: development in amateur baseball is so far advanced.

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Speaker 2: Now here's an example for you, Joe.

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Speaker 1: Last night, the Toronto Blue Jays, they're trying to close

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Speaker 2: He had nineteen swings and misses.

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Speaker 1: He throws straight over the top with a splitter that

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Speaker 1: Have two first year pitchers in their rotation down the stretch.

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Speaker 1: New York Yankees have two first year pitchers in their

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Speaker 1: rotation down the stretch. Joe, It's a long lead up

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Speaker 2: The ball in those big spots in the postseason.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm just writing names down. I remember

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Speaker 3: who's going to pitch the first game in Texas. Rocco

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Speaker 3: just pounding the desk regarding Maddy Moore. Other people were

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Speaker 3: I think when it comes to pitching, if a guy's good,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I could talk about those three guys and

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Speaker 3: we all thought that the makeup played. I remember that

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Speaker 3: a major league coach, manager the word makeup comes up

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Speaker 3: great makeup, good guy. Really, it's not going to be

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Speaker 3: So I could go on on on and on and

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Speaker 2: It's a good point about makeup.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be ignorant that you just can't

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Speaker 2: But a lot of these guys, you know, they've grown.

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Speaker 1: But I look at this kid, Y Savage for Toronto Joe,

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Speaker 2: If they don't command the baseball.

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Speaker 1: Then the stuff plays the way that teams now and

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about amateur baseball up through college and the

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Speaker 1: Will Warren's got a fastball for the Yankees that the

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Speaker 1: only one I've seen similar to It's not the same below,

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Speaker 2: So I'm a big believer in Stuff and Joe.

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Speaker 1: I think we have to start looking at the Toronto

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Speaker 1: Blue Jays now like they might be the best team

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Speaker 2: But this kid, Braden.

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Speaker 1: Fisher last night, I'm not sure if you caught the

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Speaker 3: I know that they're definitely a much more mature team

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's the kind of guy ball play they

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Speaker 3: I'm not denigrating the superstars with Vlad and bo et cetera.

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Speaker 3: I watched that and I love down angle like that.

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Speaker 3: Healthy now talking ABOUT i Saw. FISHER i saw, that

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Speaker 3: mean those fastballs up were up. Up, anyway you're right

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Speaker 3: about the. KID i Like fisher a lot from WHAT i,

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Speaker 3: like a little bit of. Longevity let's do this over

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Speaker 3: how long are they going to be? There how long

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Speaker 3: Unusual had a tough night the other night In. Boston,

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Speaker 3: HOWEVER i think he's got that. Cold let it look

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Speaker 1: Outstanding, Now joe may make you the manager of The

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Speaker 1: Postseason you've Got Kevin, gossman who's thrown the ball, great

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Speaker 1: Starter after, THAT i actually think this, kid you, savage

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Speaker 1: GAME i think you're right about the arm. Angle if

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Speaker 2: Has been going.

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Speaker 1: Down people want that attack angle the lower release point

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Speaker 1: Angle you, Know Justin ferlander has done that for a long.

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Speaker 1: who's gonna make you? Think SHOULD i give him the

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Speaker 1: SCHURZER i, mean how do you not Trust Max? Schurzer

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Speaker 3: Kid that's where you have to be. Right word is,

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Speaker 3: definitely going to even without seeing anything you exert some

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Speaker 3: know what they think of this, kid they know how

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Speaker 3: Good we love, Him we love this. Stuff, however we

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Speaker 3: i would not be afraid to do. THAT i, said

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Speaker 3: The rangers a little bit, shadowy AND i Mean maddy

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Speaker 3: DUGOUT i mean it was so late and it was

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Speaker 3: you could just see That Matty moe had his stuff going.

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Speaker 3: On that does not scare me at all regarding. Youth

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Speaker 3: if you think it's that good and if you think

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Speaker 3: Strong you have to be A i'm talking about as a,

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Speaker 3: is that the front office supports. It it's not like

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Speaker 3: in the game, too if that's what he wants to.

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Speaker 3: Do this will be an organizational. Decision there'll be a

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Speaker 3: lot of little conversations going on among pitching, coach maybe

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Speaker 3: pitchers that are being passed over in regards to having

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Speaker 3: this guy pitch. First there's a lot of little internal,

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Speaker 3: politics man's it's just. Fact that's how this will. Work

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Speaker 2: It good, Stuff.

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Speaker 3: Joe.

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Speaker 1: Hey you, know also this time of year we start

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Speaker 1: talking about the seating for the, postseason not just getting,

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Speaker 1: in but we talk a lot about home field, advantage

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Speaker 1: especially it comes to the wildcard game. Around, remember the

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Speaker 1: higher seeded team gets all the games at. Home the

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Speaker 1: to play all the games on the. Road does that? Matter,

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Speaker 1: Well i've got a surprising answer.

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Speaker 3: For, You.

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Speaker 2: JOE i want to get your take on. This the

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Speaker 1: Matter i'll explain that right after this on The book Of.

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Speaker 1: Joe all, Right joe madd AND i need your help

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Speaker 1: on this home field.

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Speaker 2: Advantage we love to talk about.

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Speaker 1: That in, sports, Right and IF i gave you your choice

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Speaker 1: where you want to play a, game of course you

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Speaker 1: would say you'd better play it a, home, right no

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Speaker 1: matter what it, is especially in. Baseball you, know back

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Speaker 1: in the, day it was not a rule that the

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Speaker 1: home team batted. Last they gave the home team the

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Speaker 1: second basically every. Time they just decided all, right we're

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Speaker 1: just going to make this a. Rule so as the

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Speaker 1: get that far to that point of the. Game there's other,

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Speaker 1: things you, know, philosophically just comfort level and things like.

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Speaker 1: That But, joe since we've gone to the twelve team

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Speaker 1: format in the postseason three years of, this the home

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Speaker 1: teams are sixty and sixty.

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Speaker 2: Four that's, right a losing.

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Speaker 1: Record Home field advantage does not exist in the twelve

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Speaker 1: team playoff format and the wildcard round when the lower

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Speaker 1: games on the road to, advance, well the home team

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Speaker 1: the wildcard round is ten and.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen i've got some. IDEAS i hope you do, Too.

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Speaker 2: Joe what is going?

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Speaker 1: On we're home field, advantage at least so far in

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Speaker 1: the one hundred and twenty four game postseason sample size

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Speaker 3: Exist, YEAH i, mean loud is, loud regardless of where you're.

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Speaker 3: At in, baseball it's such a focused. Game we don't hear.

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Speaker 3: THINGS i don't hear. THINGS i, mean it's the ballparks

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Speaker 3: that are like. Empty we hear like maybe one dude

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Speaker 3: rasing you the whole. Time that's when you hear. It,

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Speaker 3: otherwise you're out there just playing a, game and your

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Speaker 3: focus is there as long as there's energy in the

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Speaker 3: ballpark in your. Feeling, again sometimes you get fueled by

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Speaker 3: the kind of negative energy coming your, way or you're

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Speaker 3: hearing some booze. Whatever BUT i don't as a baseball player,

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Speaker 3: manager you're in a. DUGOUT i swear you could talk to.

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Speaker 3: Me you could be like two feet away from me

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Speaker 3: i'm locked, in, MAN i don't hear a thing you're.

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Speaker 3: Saying it has nothing to do with crowd. Noise it's white.

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Speaker 3: Noise it's just. There it's just about. Energy you're in the,

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Speaker 3: going up to an offense and the crowd gets. Quiet

434
00:19:32,678 --> 00:19:34,638
Speaker 3: you go up on defense and he gets loud to

435
00:19:34,838 --> 00:19:37,478
Speaker 3: confuse the other team with their. SIGNALS i don't even

436
00:19:37,478 --> 00:19:40,238
Speaker 3: know if like the distractions of being at, home and

437
00:19:40,278 --> 00:19:43,878
Speaker 3: maybe they added onds that you have to be complicated

438
00:19:43,878 --> 00:19:47,318
Speaker 3: with in regards to helping people get, tickets, situated. Whatever

439
00:19:47,478 --> 00:19:50,278
Speaker 3: there's so many other things like. That But i'm here

440
00:19:50,278 --> 00:19:52,078
Speaker 3: to tell, you, man the most simple WAY i could

441
00:19:52,078 --> 00:19:54,278
Speaker 3: describe this whole thing is that you don't hear things

442
00:19:54,518 --> 00:19:56,438
Speaker 3: you don't you. Don't it could be like when you

443
00:19:56,438 --> 00:19:58,558
Speaker 3: played a dome like you you came to The trump

444
00:19:58,598 --> 00:20:00,958
Speaker 3: and you hated The. Trump that could be a home court, advantage,

445
00:20:00,958 --> 00:20:03,078
Speaker 3: absolutely AND i always thought that that was a big

446
00:20:03,118 --> 00:20:04,998
Speaker 3: thing for. US i never liked the, building but it

447
00:20:05,038 --> 00:20:09,078
Speaker 3: was a home field advantage just based on the, roof, sidelines, depth,

448
00:20:09,078 --> 00:20:11,918
Speaker 3: perception things like that THAT i think could work in your.

449
00:20:11,958 --> 00:20:14,558
Speaker 3: Favor but if it's, generic if it's kind of a generic,

450
00:20:14,598 --> 00:20:17,238
Speaker 3: SITUATION i think it's. MOOT i just think the better

451
00:20:17,278 --> 00:20:19,878
Speaker 3: team wins in that. Moment the team that's were motivated

452
00:20:19,918 --> 00:20:23,318
Speaker 3: possibly in that moment or handles the situation a little bit.

453
00:20:23,398 --> 00:20:26,278
Speaker 3: Better and sometimes you have nothing to, lose right as

454
00:20:26,318 --> 00:20:30,038
Speaker 3: being the quote unquote underdog in the, situation got nothing to.

455
00:20:30,078 --> 00:20:31,238
Speaker 3: Lose i'm just going to go out there and put

456
00:20:31,238 --> 00:20:32,758
Speaker 3: it out. There BUT i think it comes down to.

457
00:20:32,878 --> 00:20:37,118
Speaker 3: FOCUS i think baseball, players, managers, coaches, whatever you don't

458
00:20:37,118 --> 00:20:39,238
Speaker 3: hear things you're just you're locked, in you're playing the.

459
00:20:39,278 --> 00:20:42,238
Speaker 3: GAME i don't think it's as a negative as it

460
00:20:42,278 --> 00:20:42,798
Speaker 3: may be in other.

461
00:20:42,838 --> 00:20:45,918
Speaker 2: Sports, yeah all good. Points. Joe let me add on another.

462
00:20:45,958 --> 00:20:48,998
Speaker 1: THEORY i think the talent gap has shrunk in terms of.

463
00:20:49,078 --> 00:20:51,038
Speaker 1: TEAMS i, mean look at The American league this year

464
00:20:51,078 --> 00:20:53,758
Speaker 1: in the. Postseason whoever the sixteen team, is are they

465
00:20:53,838 --> 00:20:55,638
Speaker 1: really that different from the number one?

466
00:20:55,678 --> 00:20:55,958
Speaker 2: Seed.

467
00:20:56,638 --> 00:20:58,878
Speaker 1: No for the last ten teams to make The World,

468
00:20:58,958 --> 00:21:03,358
Speaker 1: series we're wildcard. Teams the average number of wins for

469
00:21:03,478 --> 00:21:06,158
Speaker 1: the last Ten World series teams is ninety.

470
00:21:06,198 --> 00:21:07,438
Speaker 2: Four those are not.

471
00:21:07,558 --> 00:21:10,598
Speaker 1: Juggernauts, basically we have this group that's kind of in

472
00:21:10,678 --> 00:21:12,998
Speaker 1: the same, boat if you, will between one and. Six

473
00:21:13,758 --> 00:21:15,998
Speaker 1: maybe not as deep in The National, league but you,

474
00:21:16,038 --> 00:21:18,358
Speaker 1: know a little more top heavy in The National. League point,

475
00:21:18,398 --> 00:21:21,278
Speaker 1: Being i'm not surprised when these wildcard teams get through.

476
00:21:21,318 --> 00:21:24,278
Speaker 1: Anymore my other, Point, joe is AND i want to

477
00:21:24,278 --> 00:21:26,998
Speaker 1: see if you agree with, this playing on the road

478
00:21:27,078 --> 00:21:30,998
Speaker 1: can actually be a great bonding experience bringing a team.

479
00:21:31,038 --> 00:21:34,238
Speaker 1: Together this is tournament baseball, now with these rounds of.

480
00:21:34,318 --> 00:21:37,198
Speaker 1: Postseason The Texas rangers convinced me of that when they

481
00:21:37,198 --> 00:21:39,798
Speaker 1: blew their division title on the last day of the,

482
00:21:39,838 --> 00:21:42,158
Speaker 1: season so instead of going home for an off, day

483
00:21:42,198 --> 00:21:44,958
Speaker 1: they had to fly To tampa to play The, rays

484
00:21:45,038 --> 00:21:47,398
Speaker 1: who in that building you just, mentioned had the best

485
00:21:47,398 --> 00:21:48,478
Speaker 1: home record in The American.

486
00:21:48,558 --> 00:21:50,918
Speaker 2: League and they wipe out The rays on the.

487
00:21:50,998 --> 00:21:53,198
Speaker 1: Road then they have to go To, baltimore which had

488
00:21:53,198 --> 00:21:55,558
Speaker 1: an amazing record At Camden, yards and they wipe Out

489
00:21:55,558 --> 00:21:57,198
Speaker 1: baltimore there and they're.

490
00:21:57,238 --> 00:21:58,478
Speaker 2: Rolling now The.

491
00:21:58,478 --> 00:22:01,238
Speaker 1: Mets with that crazy, way they ended the season right

492
00:22:01,318 --> 00:22:05,118
Speaker 1: on the road in this was regular, season But milwaukee To.

493
00:22:05,438 --> 00:22:08,758
Speaker 1: Atlanta it's In, milwaukee and they win that wildcard game

494
00:22:08,838 --> 00:22:09,798
Speaker 1: and they then they keep.

495
00:22:09,878 --> 00:22:11,398
Speaker 2: Rolling i've seen it.

496
00:22:11,478 --> 00:22:15,758
Speaker 1: Happen i've seen teams bond by going on the.

497
00:22:15,878 --> 00:22:17,678
Speaker 2: Road you are not expected to.

498
00:22:17,718 --> 00:22:19,878
Speaker 1: WIN i think the pressure is on a home team

499
00:22:19,958 --> 00:22:21,278
Speaker 1: where you are expected to.

500
00:22:21,398 --> 00:22:23,198
Speaker 2: Win BUT i like, that.

501
00:22:23,438 --> 00:22:25,478
Speaker 1: You know kind of what like maybe when you played

502
00:22:25,478 --> 00:22:28,798
Speaker 1: and that what was at THE Nbc tournament In, Omaha, nebraska.

503
00:22:28,918 --> 00:22:31,598
Speaker 1: RIGHT i like the idea of having a major league

504
00:22:31,598 --> 00:22:35,318
Speaker 1: team bonding on the ROAD us against the world kind of.

505
00:22:35,358 --> 00:22:36,678
Speaker 2: Mentality and if you.

506
00:22:36,598 --> 00:22:39,678
Speaker 1: Can get back a couple of wins quickly with, that

507
00:22:40,318 --> 00:22:44,838
Speaker 1: momentum just. Explodes whereas at, home if you win game

508
00:22:44,918 --> 00:22:47,198
Speaker 1: one you're supposed to win that. GAME i don't think

509
00:22:47,198 --> 00:22:49,758
Speaker 1: you gain as much. Momentum tell me what you. THINK

510
00:22:49,798 --> 00:22:52,158
Speaker 1: i know those are kind, of you, know things you

511
00:22:52,198 --> 00:22:56,678
Speaker 1: can't really. Quantify it's more philosophical or even feel than.

512
00:22:56,798 --> 00:22:59,158
Speaker 2: Data but how about those, Theories.

513
00:22:58,918 --> 00:23:01,558
Speaker 3: Well, yeah IT'S i don't know how much that really,

514
00:23:01,598 --> 00:23:04,078
Speaker 3: plays to be honest with, You i'm listening to it.

515
00:23:04,118 --> 00:23:06,118
Speaker 3: All they're all really good. Points AND i remember The

516
00:23:06,238 --> 00:23:09,878
Speaker 3: rangers just lit it up on the. Road it looked

517
00:23:09,918 --> 00:23:13,318
Speaker 3: easily like they're not gonna really. Advance nice, job but

518
00:23:13,678 --> 00:23:16,158
Speaker 3: it's gonna end pretty, soon and it never. Ended SO

519
00:23:16,398 --> 00:23:18,318
Speaker 3: i get all of. That it's just the fact that

520
00:23:18,398 --> 00:23:21,238
Speaker 3: the way players go on the road, anymore and when

521
00:23:21,278 --> 00:23:22,758
Speaker 3: you go on the, road even in a, playoffs there's

522
00:23:22,798 --> 00:23:25,438
Speaker 3: a lot of families involved there. Too like with, us

523
00:23:25,478 --> 00:23:27,638
Speaker 3: we used to have two chartered planes with The, cubs

524
00:23:28,078 --> 00:23:30,478
Speaker 3: one for the team and then one for your families

525
00:23:30,518 --> 00:23:33,438
Speaker 3: going to the playoff, situation and then you would all

526
00:23:33,438 --> 00:23:35,678
Speaker 3: be on one plane coming. Home it's just. HARD i,

527
00:23:35,678 --> 00:23:38,078
Speaker 3: mean what the players do these days is they'll get

528
00:23:38,118 --> 00:23:41,038
Speaker 3: one big room and they will have like all their video,

529
00:23:41,078 --> 00:23:43,638
Speaker 3: games so it's not like going to the bars you,

530
00:23:43,638 --> 00:23:46,758
Speaker 3: know hitting the ricks after the, game throwing your backpack

531
00:23:46,758 --> 00:23:48,958
Speaker 3: in your, room colling Buddy, Black i'll eat you downstairs

532
00:23:48,998 --> 00:23:52,478
Speaker 3: in ten. Minutes that doesn't really happen much. Anymore so

533
00:23:52,678 --> 00:23:55,998
Speaker 3: it's just a different method of. BONDING i think there's

534
00:23:56,038 --> 00:23:58,438
Speaker 3: a there's a kind of like a subgroup that we'll

535
00:23:58,438 --> 00:24:00,118
Speaker 3: get together in a room and do video games all,

536
00:24:00,198 --> 00:24:02,118
Speaker 3: night but with families on the. Road LIKE i, said

537
00:24:02,198 --> 00:24:04,878
Speaker 3: that's part of it that has to be. CONSIDERED i

538
00:24:04,918 --> 00:24:08,038
Speaker 3: think the the rallying point is just you feel like

539
00:24:08,078 --> 00:24:10,198
Speaker 3: you're gonna kick somebody's butt because you're playing so well

540
00:24:10,238 --> 00:24:13,118
Speaker 3: and you got this vibe going on and momentum starting to,

541
00:24:13,118 --> 00:24:14,918
Speaker 3: build and all of a, sudden you feel like you

542
00:24:14,958 --> 00:24:16,598
Speaker 3: just have to throw your gloves out on the. Field

543
00:24:16,598 --> 00:24:18,238
Speaker 3: glove out on the, field and it doesn't matter who

544
00:24:18,238 --> 00:24:20,238
Speaker 3: you're playing or where we're gonna we're gonna beat. Them

545
00:24:20,278 --> 00:24:23,638
Speaker 3: we're just gonna kick these. Guys but you actually feel that,

546
00:24:23,678 --> 00:24:27,078
Speaker 3: way and it's like it's it's a very empowering kind

547
00:24:27,118 --> 00:24:29,278
Speaker 3: of a moment because you go to TAKE, bp go

548
00:24:29,398 --> 00:24:31,478
Speaker 3: up before the, game you walk the field and it's

549
00:24:31,478 --> 00:24:34,038
Speaker 3: strutting a little, bit and we got, this we got

550
00:24:34,038 --> 00:24:36,718
Speaker 3: this and you actually feel it, Internally SO i know

551
00:24:36,798 --> 00:24:39,358
Speaker 3: what you're saying and it can't be. Discounted BUT i

552
00:24:39,478 --> 00:24:41,638
Speaker 3: just know the way the guys work on the road these.

553
00:24:41,718 --> 00:24:45,278
Speaker 3: Days and the clubhouse is the, clubhouse you, know regardless

554
00:24:45,358 --> 00:24:49,398
Speaker 3: if it's regular, season, postseason. Whatever there's, distractions there's more,

555
00:24:49,438 --> 00:24:52,158
Speaker 3: media there's more people milling around in your, clubhouse which

556
00:24:52,198 --> 00:24:56,078
Speaker 3: can also be disturbing as opposed, to you, know. Exciting

557
00:24:56,158 --> 00:24:58,238
Speaker 3: so there's so many different ways to look at. THIS

558
00:24:58,318 --> 00:25:00,238
Speaker 3: i just think when you grab that, wave when you

559
00:25:00,318 --> 00:25:02,198
Speaker 3: catch that, wave you hang ten, man you're in a

560
00:25:02,238 --> 00:25:04,198
Speaker 3: pretty good position and you feel like beat.

561
00:25:04,198 --> 00:25:06,318
Speaker 2: Anybody, well let me put it to you this, Way.

562
00:25:06,438 --> 00:25:08,638
Speaker 1: Joe, if in, fact The New York yankees played The

563
00:25:08,638 --> 00:25:11,878
Speaker 1: Boston Red sox in the First wildcard, round do you

564
00:25:11,998 --> 00:25:14,798
Speaker 1: think gating home field advantage in this next week and a,

565
00:25:14,838 --> 00:25:16,878
Speaker 1: half no, matters no.

566
00:25:16,958 --> 00:25:19,358
Speaker 2: Decisive and that had to hit and. Matchup, no, right not.

567
00:25:19,358 --> 00:25:22,278
Speaker 3: At, All, NO i. DON'T i, mean that's not even

568
00:25:22,318 --> 00:25:24,238
Speaker 3: a little. Bit it's like a certain way you feel

569
00:25:24,318 --> 00:25:26,358
Speaker 3: when you play different teams and they play each other

570
00:25:26,438 --> 00:25:28,358
Speaker 3: so often during the course of the year in those two.

571
00:25:28,358 --> 00:25:30,238
Speaker 3: Ballparks that's what The rays WHEN i was with The,

572
00:25:30,318 --> 00:25:32,798
Speaker 3: rays we had to with sin and everybody was saying

573
00:25:32,798 --> 00:25:34,478
Speaker 3: at that, time, well you got to you need to

574
00:25:34,478 --> 00:25:36,038
Speaker 3: get out of The American League east the, Race you

575
00:25:36,038 --> 00:25:37,518
Speaker 3: need to get out of The American League eese to.

576
00:25:37,558 --> 00:25:39,318
Speaker 3: WIN i, said, no you. Crazy we need to be

577
00:25:39,838 --> 00:25:42,518
Speaker 3: in The American League east to get better quicker because

578
00:25:42,518 --> 00:25:44,998
Speaker 3: you have to play in hostile. Environments and that takes

579
00:25:45,038 --> 00:25:46,478
Speaker 3: me back to a Point i've always made in the.

580
00:25:46,518 --> 00:25:47,918
Speaker 3: PAST i thought it is the. Race we had an

581
00:25:47,918 --> 00:25:51,238
Speaker 3: advantage because we played At Yankee stadium And fenway often

582
00:25:51,798 --> 00:25:53,718
Speaker 3: and we didn't play in the in the. Hinterlands we

583
00:25:53,718 --> 00:25:57,398
Speaker 3: didn't play in the outpost as. Often baltimore was, good you,

584
00:25:57,478 --> 00:26:00,598
Speaker 3: Know toronto was a tough, division AND i think that's

585
00:26:00,678 --> 00:26:04,278
Speaker 3: really WHAT i counted on as being helpful when it

586
00:26:04,358 --> 00:26:05,998
Speaker 3: got to that time of the, year that, hey you

587
00:26:05,998 --> 00:26:07,758
Speaker 3: may not, win but you're not going to be intimidated

588
00:26:07,758 --> 00:26:09,438
Speaker 3: when you. Lose you're out there playing the, game and

589
00:26:09,478 --> 00:26:11,438
Speaker 3: sometimes the other team beach it because like you said,

590
00:26:11,518 --> 00:26:14,198
Speaker 3: earlier they might be. Better BUT i really thought the

591
00:26:14,238 --> 00:26:16,238
Speaker 3: ascension of The rays a lot of it had to

592
00:26:16,238 --> 00:26:18,558
Speaker 3: do with the fact that they were or are in

593
00:26:18,598 --> 00:26:21,558
Speaker 3: THE Al east and you get kind of battle tested

594
00:26:21,598 --> 00:26:24,478
Speaker 3: in tough. Ballparks but you, know when you play The

595
00:26:24,558 --> 00:26:26,558
Speaker 3: yankees or The Red, sox whatever they go and, PLAY

596
00:26:26,638 --> 00:26:28,758
Speaker 3: i don't. Care i'll just Say Kansas. City of. Course

597
00:26:28,798 --> 00:26:31,198
Speaker 3: there's not an intimidation. About it's just whether or not

598
00:26:31,358 --> 00:26:33,598
Speaker 3: the other team plays better than. You SO i don't.

599
00:26:33,638 --> 00:26:35,838
Speaker 3: KNOW i think As, no it's a very like you're,

600
00:26:35,838 --> 00:26:37,798
Speaker 3: said it's a moot. POINT i don't care where you're.

601
00:26:37,798 --> 00:26:40,198
Speaker 3: Playing it comes down to the vibe that. Night it

602
00:26:40,198 --> 00:26:42,798
Speaker 3: comes down to your starting, Pitcher it comes down TO

603
00:26:43,238 --> 00:26:44,958
Speaker 3: i mean part of it is Like i've talked to

604
00:26:44,998 --> 00:26:47,718
Speaker 3: different managers about, this don't do anything differently than what

605
00:26:47,798 --> 00:26:49,118
Speaker 3: got you. THERE i, mean at this time of the,

606
00:26:49,198 --> 00:26:51,678
Speaker 3: year sometimes, groups And i'm talking about you, know front,

607
00:26:51,718 --> 00:26:55,438
Speaker 3: offices analytical departments come down with dreams of information and

608
00:26:55,478 --> 00:26:58,118
Speaker 3: they start inundating you with all kinds of stuff they

609
00:26:58,118 --> 00:27:00,598
Speaker 3: can only serve to confuse and not. Help you've played

610
00:27:00,638 --> 00:27:02,678
Speaker 3: these guys like if you're gonna Be Red Sox, yankees my,

611
00:27:02,718 --> 00:27:04,678
Speaker 3: god you played each other all year, year and all

612
00:27:04,678 --> 00:27:07,238
Speaker 3: of a sudden you're gonna bare yourself in meetings and

613
00:27:07,918 --> 00:27:11,158
Speaker 3: d and, information when really it may be a nugget or.

614
00:27:11,158 --> 00:27:13,678
Speaker 3: Two if it's a surface at the, End i'll take.

615
00:27:13,718 --> 00:27:17,038
Speaker 3: It but, otherwise let's go play. Baseball let's beat these.

616
00:27:17,038 --> 00:27:19,438
Speaker 3: Guys and that's really where talent really shows. Up if

617
00:27:19,438 --> 00:27:21,598
Speaker 3: you're better or, not if you play a better baseball

618
00:27:21,638 --> 00:27:23,878
Speaker 3: game or, not if you don't make mental mistakes or,

619
00:27:23,878 --> 00:27:26,358
Speaker 3: not that's why you're gonna. Win long, answer Maybe i'm.

620
00:27:26,398 --> 00:27:27,998
Speaker 3: SCARED i don't even know If i'm being around the.

621
00:27:27,998 --> 00:27:31,078
Speaker 3: Bush but that's WHAT i believe. In. Man it's get

622
00:27:31,078 --> 00:27:34,998
Speaker 3: battle tested and believe in, yourselves and fortune favors the.

623
00:27:35,038 --> 00:27:37,998
Speaker 3: Ball take, risks don't back, off don't try something. Different

624
00:27:37,998 --> 00:27:40,198
Speaker 3: don't think like you have to do anything differently than

625
00:27:40,238 --> 00:27:42,558
Speaker 3: you had been doing all. Season that is the. Trap

626
00:27:42,678 --> 00:27:43,118
Speaker 3: all good.

627
00:27:43,118 --> 00:27:45,358
Speaker 1: Stuff, Hey, joe you, know on this show we love

628
00:27:45,438 --> 00:27:49,478
Speaker 1: to celebrate great baseball, lives and we lost a great

629
00:27:49,518 --> 00:27:53,158
Speaker 1: one recently In Jim. Marshall, YEAH i know you were

630
00:27:53,158 --> 00:27:56,558
Speaker 1: closed To, Jim AND i, mean what a, great, big,

631
00:27:56,718 --> 00:28:00,598
Speaker 1: colorful amazing baseball. Life just did just about everything in this,

632
00:28:00,718 --> 00:28:05,638
Speaker 1: game played the game managed coach scouted played In. Japan

633
00:28:06,238 --> 00:28:09,198
Speaker 1: born in nineteen thirty one In, Danville, illinois a family

634
00:28:09,238 --> 00:28:10,478
Speaker 1: move when he was really, young.

635
00:28:10,318 --> 00:28:11,798
Speaker 2: To, Compton. California great.

636
00:28:11,838 --> 00:28:14,798
Speaker 1: Athlete in, fact he was recruited By John wooden to

637
00:28:14,838 --> 00:28:18,518
Speaker 1: play basketball AT. Ucla when wouldn't had just only gotten

638
00:28:18,758 --> 00:28:19,278
Speaker 1: just started the?

639
00:28:19,358 --> 00:28:20,038
Speaker 2: Program really?

640
00:28:20,038 --> 00:28:22,958
Speaker 1: Is he signed at nineteen and then he didn't make

641
00:28:22,998 --> 00:28:25,918
Speaker 1: his major league debut until he was twenty. SEVEN i,

642
00:28:25,958 --> 00:28:27,958
Speaker 1: mean WHEN i think About Jim, MARSHALL i think about

643
00:28:27,958 --> 00:28:30,038
Speaker 1: paying Dues, joe and we'll talk about that as we

644
00:28:30,118 --> 00:28:32,638
Speaker 1: love to do on this podcast as. Well but went

645
00:28:32,678 --> 00:28:35,718
Speaker 1: on to manage The cubs played In, japan AS i,

646
00:28:35,798 --> 00:28:38,358
Speaker 1: mentioned was a great, scout was one of the first

647
00:28:38,398 --> 00:28:41,958
Speaker 1: people hired by The Arizona. Diamondbacks it was back in ninety,

648
00:28:41,998 --> 00:28:43,598
Speaker 1: six a couple of years before they started.

649
00:28:43,638 --> 00:28:47,758
Speaker 2: Playing just a great baseball. Life i'm, Wondering.

650
00:28:47,478 --> 00:28:49,318
Speaker 1: Joe for, you what are the, memories what are the

651
00:28:49,358 --> 00:28:50,718
Speaker 1: connections To Jim.

652
00:28:50,758 --> 00:28:53,318
Speaker 3: MARSHALL i have to say he's a sweet. MAN i,

653
00:28:53,318 --> 00:28:55,518
Speaker 3: mean he was so kind to me WHEN i first met,

654
00:28:55,598 --> 00:28:58,558
Speaker 3: him having been, with you, know a cub in his past.

655
00:28:58,638 --> 00:29:01,998
Speaker 3: Experiences he treated me so, well and he always seeks

656
00:29:01,998 --> 00:29:05,518
Speaker 3: you out and always, upbeat always, pop always pointing out something.

657
00:29:05,558 --> 00:29:08,398
Speaker 3: Good just a pleasure to be, around a little bit

658
00:29:08,438 --> 00:29:10,718
Speaker 3: of an, eccentric WHICH i also love Because i've probably

659
00:29:10,718 --> 00:29:13,438
Speaker 3: been accused of that. Myself BUT i really liked the

660
00:29:13,478 --> 00:29:15,718
Speaker 3: guy a. LOT i think everybody that came in contact

661
00:29:15,758 --> 00:29:18,798
Speaker 3: with him did. Too he was just, supportive you, know

662
00:29:18,838 --> 00:29:22,198
Speaker 3: he was ALWAYS i, mean if you had wanted to offer,

663
00:29:22,238 --> 00:29:23,998
Speaker 3: advice he would in a way that, was, like you,

664
00:29:23,998 --> 00:29:27,558
Speaker 3: know very benign and not intrusive. WHATSOEVER i would have

665
00:29:27,638 --> 00:29:32,118
Speaker 3: to just, say a really sweet man with a very, upbeat,

666
00:29:32,318 --> 00:29:35,518
Speaker 3: positive helping kind of an. Attitude AND i loved when

667
00:29:35,518 --> 00:29:38,158
Speaker 3: he came. Around he'd always seek me out and we

668
00:29:38,198 --> 00:29:40,998
Speaker 3: would sit there and talk. Whatever you. Know WHEN i

669
00:29:41,038 --> 00:29:42,918
Speaker 3: read his passing, man he, lived but he was into his.

670
00:29:42,998 --> 00:29:46,558
Speaker 3: Nineties LIKE i think you suggested there and just it's a.

671
00:29:46,558 --> 00:29:48,838
Speaker 3: LOSS i, mean he was all of. That he was

672
00:29:49,358 --> 00:29:51,398
Speaker 3: how much DO i love a baseball? Lifer you, know

673
00:29:51,518 --> 00:29:53,438
Speaker 3: you kind of look at a guy like him and, say,

674
00:29:53,518 --> 00:29:56,238
Speaker 3: there you, know hopefully THAT'S i could stay around that

675
00:29:56,318 --> 00:29:58,478
Speaker 3: long and make that kind of an, impact because he

676
00:29:58,558 --> 00:29:59,198
Speaker 3: certainly did.

677
00:29:59,318 --> 00:30:01,918
Speaker 1: WELL i mentioned he played five years in the big

678
00:30:01,998 --> 00:30:05,038
Speaker 1: leagues with five different, organizations never really got a chance

679
00:30:05,078 --> 00:30:08,078
Speaker 1: to be an everyday player full, time but he was

680
00:30:08,158 --> 00:30:09,678
Speaker 1: an Original New york met by the.

681
00:30:09,718 --> 00:30:11,318
Speaker 2: Way he goes to The mets in nineteen sixty.

682
00:30:11,358 --> 00:30:13,758
Speaker 1: Two they traded him just a couple of months later

683
00:30:13,958 --> 00:30:18,198
Speaker 1: to The pirates For Vinegar Ben, mazel one of the

684
00:30:18,238 --> 00:30:22,358
Speaker 1: great nicknames in all the. Sports so he gets released

685
00:30:22,358 --> 00:30:24,238
Speaker 1: by The pirates at the end of sixty two and

686
00:30:24,278 --> 00:30:24,958
Speaker 1: he goes plays In.

687
00:30:25,038 --> 00:30:28,558
Speaker 2: Japan so then he starts his managing. Career and you're

688
00:30:28,558 --> 00:30:31,958
Speaker 2: gonna love. This joe In, Lodi, california.

689
00:30:31,278 --> 00:30:35,358
Speaker 1: Did there nineteen sixty, eight the manager of The Lodi.

690
00:30:35,718 --> 00:30:40,758
Speaker 1: Crushers they're playing At Lawrence, park which is the smallest

691
00:30:40,838 --> 00:30:43,638
Speaker 1: ballpark in The Cal. League this is a ball they.

692
00:30:43,718 --> 00:30:47,238
Speaker 1: Averaged there were three thousand seats in the. Ballpark they

693
00:30:47,278 --> 00:30:51,518
Speaker 1: averaged attendance is five hundred and ninety seven. People Jim

694
00:30:51,558 --> 00:30:55,678
Speaker 1: marshall was making seven thousand dollars a year plus three

695
00:30:55,798 --> 00:30:59,438
Speaker 1: dollars a day and meal money to manage an.

696
00:30:59,358 --> 00:31:00,958
Speaker 2: A Ball how about?

697
00:31:00,998 --> 00:31:03,278
Speaker 1: That and how about this in the same year in

698
00:31:03,318 --> 00:31:05,878
Speaker 1: The Cal lee you talk about paying your dues managing

699
00:31:05,998 --> 00:31:09,318
Speaker 1: other teams in The Calle league that Year Joe, Altabelli Dave,

700
00:31:09,398 --> 00:31:16,358
Speaker 1: Garcia roy. McMillan that's four future major league managers managing

701
00:31:16,518 --> 00:31:19,958
Speaker 1: in front of crowds of hundreds of people In CLASS a.

702
00:31:20,118 --> 00:31:22,558
Speaker 1: Ball how about That you talk about paying your dues

703
00:31:22,678 --> 00:31:25,518
Speaker 1: and eventually he, becomes as you, mentioned the manager of The.

704
00:31:25,518 --> 00:31:26,958
Speaker 2: CUBS i think it was nineteen seventy.

705
00:31:26,998 --> 00:31:29,958
Speaker 3: FOUR i SWEAR i love hearing that kind of. Stuff

706
00:31:29,958 --> 00:31:33,118
Speaker 3: but those are the guys that inspired. Me Mark browhart

707
00:31:33,158 --> 00:31:35,518
Speaker 3: hit a bomb there one, night and our gym at

708
00:31:35,518 --> 00:31:38,478
Speaker 3: that time Was Pete chiccarelli and he got To Paul

709
00:31:38,558 --> 00:31:41,078
Speaker 3: harvey and the next Day paul Har. Vietnam so it

710
00:31:41,118 --> 00:31:43,918
Speaker 3: was like five hundred and fifty feet Because peter never

711
00:31:43,998 --> 00:31:45,878
Speaker 3: let the truth get away of a good. Story bro

712
00:31:46,118 --> 00:31:48,078
Speaker 3: was On Paul harvey the next. Day and it's also

713
00:31:48,198 --> 00:31:50,838
Speaker 3: the scene probably the best Fight i've ever been involved

714
00:31:50,838 --> 00:31:54,638
Speaker 3: in in baseball was the. Hitter we hit somebody and

715
00:31:54,678 --> 00:31:56,398
Speaker 3: the hitter went out to the man with the bat

716
00:31:56,438 --> 00:31:58,398
Speaker 3: and we're trying to get out of the bullpen in

717
00:31:58,518 --> 00:32:00,598
Speaker 3: left field and there was a gate with actually no,

718
00:32:00,718 --> 00:32:02,638
Speaker 3: door but it was like the opening of a, gate

719
00:32:02,678 --> 00:32:04,638
Speaker 3: And Baylor moore and somebody else could not get. Out

720
00:32:04,678 --> 00:32:07,678
Speaker 3: they kept bumping. Shoulders was. Hysterical we finally get out

721
00:32:07,678 --> 00:32:10,598
Speaker 3: to the field And Bobby clark runs in from, leftfield

722
00:32:10,598 --> 00:32:12,998
Speaker 3: grabs the bat and he just flips it all the

723
00:32:12,998 --> 00:32:14,438
Speaker 3: way out to where he had been playing in left

724
00:32:14,438 --> 00:32:17,238
Speaker 3: field before that hell of a. FIGHT i, mean that's.

725
00:32:17,558 --> 00:32:20,198
Speaker 3: Listen the minor. Leagues, LOAD i the Cal. LEAGUE i

726
00:32:20,318 --> 00:32:23,558
Speaker 3: was in The colleague two. Summers Man Stan waziak was

727
00:32:23,558 --> 00:32:27,198
Speaker 3: the iconic manager after that with The dodgers for a thousand.

728
00:32:27,318 --> 00:32:31,118
Speaker 3: Years There Mus, STUBY, I Chuck, Katier John Van. ORNHEIM

729
00:32:31,158 --> 00:32:33,278
Speaker 3: i mean all these dudes he was with The. GIANTS

730
00:32:33,558 --> 00:32:36,038
Speaker 3: i have such warm fuzzies when you SAY loadi, man

731
00:32:36,398 --> 00:32:39,278
Speaker 3: and you talk about team. Bonding we used to go

732
00:32:39,318 --> 00:32:41,678
Speaker 3: out every night and the boys we'd get, together Remember

733
00:32:41,758 --> 00:32:43,318
Speaker 3: Johnny harris and all the guys THAT i had with

734
00:32:43,398 --> 00:32:46,078
Speaker 3: slain As. Angels we go out after games and. LOAD

735
00:32:46,118 --> 00:32:49,318
Speaker 3: i was absolutely a. Blast this is the stuff you

736
00:32:49,398 --> 00:32:52,118
Speaker 3: got me lit up BECAUSE i really BELIEVE i got

737
00:32:52,158 --> 00:32:54,638
Speaker 3: to become a major league manager because of moments like

738
00:32:54,678 --> 00:32:56,998
Speaker 3: that In lodie so many years, ago AND i could

739
00:32:57,038 --> 00:32:59,598
Speaker 3: see it like it was, yesterday and it's. GREAT i

740
00:32:59,598 --> 00:33:03,158
Speaker 3: didn't realize that About, Jim but those other names you

741
00:33:03,238 --> 00:33:06,718
Speaker 3: mentioned are standing. Too so kudos to the minor, leagues,

742
00:33:06,758 --> 00:33:09,558
Speaker 3: man for those able to experience. It we all feel

743
00:33:09,598 --> 00:33:11,198
Speaker 3: the same way for those who did not get the

744
00:33:11,278 --> 00:33:14,398
Speaker 3: chance or having the water down version, today it's too

745
00:33:14,438 --> 00:33:17,758
Speaker 3: bad because they were the proving grounds man and you

746
00:33:17,798 --> 00:33:20,278
Speaker 3: had to prove, yourself, brother because those are some tough

747
00:33:20,358 --> 00:33:22,958
Speaker 3: dudes that you had to stand up against because there

748
00:33:22,998 --> 00:33:25,638
Speaker 3: was no there was very few warm fuzzies being passed

749
00:33:25,678 --> 00:33:26,118
Speaker 3: run at the.

750
00:33:26,118 --> 00:33:29,118
Speaker 1: Time, well AS i, mentioned just a, big beautiful baseball.

751
00:33:29,198 --> 00:33:31,918
Speaker 1: Life you think about all the people That Jim marshall

752
00:33:31,998 --> 00:33:34,918
Speaker 1: impacted and the course of what he, did whether it was, managing,

753
00:33:35,038 --> 00:33:38,518
Speaker 1: Coaching pacific Rim scout for so many years he was

754
00:33:38,518 --> 00:33:40,798
Speaker 1: a connection not just for the D, backs but really

755
00:33:40,798 --> 00:33:43,758
Speaker 1: For Major League baseball as an ambassador on The Pacific

756
00:33:43,838 --> 00:33:47,478
Speaker 1: rim was married for sixty four years till his wife

757
00:33:47,518 --> 00:33:48,238
Speaker 1: passed in twenty.

758
00:33:48,278 --> 00:33:51,118
Speaker 2: Sixteen rest in, Peace Jim, marshall a, great.

759
00:33:51,118 --> 00:33:54,278
Speaker 1: Huge happy baseball. Life take a quick break on The

760
00:33:54,318 --> 00:33:56,158
Speaker 1: book Of. Joe when we get, back we'll talk about

761
00:33:56,238 --> 00:33:58,198
Speaker 1: the final week and a half of the baseball season

762
00:33:58,238 --> 00:33:59,518
Speaker 1: coming up right after This.

763
00:34:11,998 --> 00:34:12,958
Speaker 2: Welcome back to The book Of.

764
00:34:13,038 --> 00:34:15,118
Speaker 1: JOE i mentioned the last week of the season as

765
00:34:15,118 --> 00:34:20,438
Speaker 1: far as deciding playoff. Spots joe the one award that

766
00:34:20,558 --> 00:34:24,158
Speaker 1: to me has been the most discussion about is The

767
00:34:24,198 --> 00:34:26,718
Speaker 1: American LEAGUE, mvp and that might be decided as well

768
00:34:26,758 --> 00:34:30,358
Speaker 1: Between Cal rawley And Aaron. JUDGE i actually don't think

769
00:34:30,398 --> 00:34:31,678
Speaker 1: it's as close as a lot of people.

770
00:34:31,718 --> 00:34:34,118
Speaker 2: Do what's your opinion on that, Race.

771
00:34:34,198 --> 00:34:37,118
Speaker 3: Well it's going to Be. JUDGE i think, honestly The

772
00:34:37,118 --> 00:34:39,158
Speaker 3: East coast thing has something to do with. IT i

773
00:34:39,398 --> 00:34:41,238
Speaker 3: love Cal, RAWLEY i. DO i love him from the

774
00:34:41,238 --> 00:34:44,038
Speaker 3: MOMENT i saw, him and, listen who doesn't Love Aaron.

775
00:34:44,118 --> 00:34:47,998
Speaker 3: Judge the position That rawley plays and that scene teams

776
00:34:47,998 --> 00:34:50,438
Speaker 3: in an ascending, Moment i'd love to see him get,

777
00:34:50,438 --> 00:34:52,918
Speaker 3: it but it ain't gonna happen that, way And i'm not.

778
00:34:53,478 --> 00:34:55,638
Speaker 3: Why maybe he's a, catcher maybe he's a switch. Hitter

779
00:34:55,718 --> 00:34:58,438
Speaker 3: maybe he's like you Broke Mickey, mantle switch hitting home run,

780
00:34:58,478 --> 00:35:01,398
Speaker 3: record maybe all that different. Stuff BUT i really he's

781
00:35:01,518 --> 00:35:03,158
Speaker 3: kind of similar To judge in a lot of. WAYS

782
00:35:03,158 --> 00:35:05,478
Speaker 3: i love the way he can. HIMSELF i love the

783
00:35:05,478 --> 00:35:07,838
Speaker 3: way he's handled all of. This that team obviously is

784
00:35:07,878 --> 00:35:11,278
Speaker 3: not even close to being where they're at without his

785
00:35:11,438 --> 00:35:14,958
Speaker 3: input behind the plate and at the. Plate SO i think,

786
00:35:14,998 --> 00:35:17,438
Speaker 3: Overall judge is gonna win. OUT i think that's going to.

787
00:35:17,518 --> 00:35:20,238
Speaker 3: Happen BUT i do want to put A i just

788
00:35:20,358 --> 00:35:22,638
Speaker 3: love everything about this. GUY i THINK i mentioned it.

789
00:35:22,638 --> 00:35:25,358
Speaker 3: Before WHEN i first Saw, RALEY i was still managing

790
00:35:25,358 --> 00:35:27,638
Speaker 3: The angels and he came up to the. PLATE i

791
00:35:27,718 --> 00:35:30,718
Speaker 3: might have been as like first at batter within the first,

792
00:35:30,758 --> 00:35:33,078
Speaker 3: week and he took some. SWINGS i, Said holy, COW

793
00:35:33,118 --> 00:35:35,758
Speaker 3: i mean that is some serious bat. Speed you, know

794
00:35:35,838 --> 00:35:37,958
Speaker 3: threw the ball pretty. Well you. Know i've heard different

795
00:35:37,958 --> 00:35:41,038
Speaker 3: things metrics about his catching, ability, receiving WHICH i do

796
00:35:41,078 --> 00:35:42,798
Speaker 3: not have a lot, of take a lot of stock

797
00:35:42,838 --> 00:35:45,318
Speaker 3: and all that. Stuff i'd have to look at him

798
00:35:45,318 --> 00:35:47,878
Speaker 3: with my own eyeballs in person again more, seriously but

799
00:35:48,118 --> 00:35:50,598
Speaker 3: this guy playing a very difficult. Position the THING i

800
00:35:50,838 --> 00:35:52,518
Speaker 3: really wish he had not. DONE i wish he had

801
00:35:52,518 --> 00:35:55,158
Speaker 3: not done the homer In. Derby AND i know everybody

802
00:35:55,158 --> 00:35:57,158
Speaker 3: loved all of, that BUT i think part of the second,

803
00:35:57,158 --> 00:36:00,158
Speaker 3: half no way to prove it's just something may have

804
00:36:00,238 --> 00:36:02,238
Speaker 3: the decline may have been from that day a little.

805
00:36:02,278 --> 00:36:05,158
Speaker 3: Bit BUT i love. Him i'd like to see him win,

806
00:36:05,198 --> 00:36:06,438
Speaker 3: it BUT i Think judge is going to get. It.

807
00:36:06,518 --> 00:36:08,238
Speaker 1: YEAH i kind of feel the same, way AND i

808
00:36:08,758 --> 00:36:11,438
Speaker 1: almost hate bringing it up because it almost sounds like

809
00:36:11,518 --> 00:36:14,318
Speaker 1: you're being dismissive of Cal rawley when you Say judge

810
00:36:14,318 --> 00:36:16,798
Speaker 1: to me as a clear, EDGE i don't really mean.

811
00:36:16,838 --> 00:36:18,798
Speaker 1: That it's kind of Like bobby Wit junior last year

812
00:36:18,798 --> 00:36:20,878
Speaker 1: had one of the greatest years ever for a shortstop

813
00:36:20,998 --> 00:36:23,478
Speaker 1: but still was not able to be THE mvp Because

814
00:36:23,518 --> 00:36:25,758
Speaker 1: judge was just that. Good AND i think that's the case.

815
00:36:25,798 --> 00:36:29,038
Speaker 1: Here the offensive numbers are just there's too much of

816
00:36:29,078 --> 00:36:31,038
Speaker 1: a gap for. Me you, know you look at, ops

817
00:36:31,078 --> 00:36:35,198
Speaker 1: which factors in ballparks and league, averages And judges blows them.

818
00:36:35,198 --> 00:36:37,678
Speaker 2: Away SO i get the whole.

819
00:36:37,398 --> 00:36:40,878
Speaker 1: Positional advantage catching as opposed to being a right. Fielder

820
00:36:40,958 --> 00:36:42,918
Speaker 1: there's no question he means so much of that team

821
00:36:42,958 --> 00:36:45,198
Speaker 1: and running its, staff and just to wear and tear

822
00:36:45,278 --> 00:36:47,798
Speaker 1: behind the plate to do what he's done, offensively it's.

823
00:36:47,838 --> 00:36:50,158
Speaker 1: Amazing it's one of the, greatest if not the greatest

824
00:36:50,198 --> 00:36:52,798
Speaker 1: offensive seasons ever for a. Catcher but it's just a

825
00:36:52,878 --> 00:36:55,798
Speaker 1: notch below What Aaron judge has done. OFFENSIVELY i, Mean

826
00:36:55,838 --> 00:36:58,838
Speaker 1: Aaron judge could hit fifty home runs and win a batting.

827
00:36:58,878 --> 00:37:01,278
Speaker 1: Title you, know Only Jimmy fox And Mickey mandle have done,

828
00:37:01,318 --> 00:37:03,598
Speaker 1: That AND i get all the numbers for cal where

829
00:37:03,598 --> 00:37:06,118
Speaker 1: we're comparing him to, catchers we're comparing him to switch.

830
00:37:06,158 --> 00:37:08,758
Speaker 1: Hitters With, judge you compare him to guys that are.

831
00:37:08,758 --> 00:37:12,358
Speaker 1: Dead you, know there's no narrowing the field to a

832
00:37:12,438 --> 00:37:16,158
Speaker 1: sample of switch hitters or. Catchers it's Just judge against baseball.

833
00:37:16,238 --> 00:37:19,198
Speaker 1: History he's been that. Good but who. KNOWS i, mean

834
00:37:19,358 --> 00:37:21,758
Speaker 1: as far As East coast, BIAS i think the bias

835
00:37:21,958 --> 00:37:24,318
Speaker 1: is that people get to see The judge highlights maybe,

836
00:37:24,318 --> 00:37:25,078
Speaker 1: more the games.

837
00:37:25,078 --> 00:37:26,918
Speaker 2: More but as you, know when it comes to.

838
00:37:26,958 --> 00:37:30,518
Speaker 1: Voting it's two voters in each, city in this, case

839
00:37:30,798 --> 00:37:32,998
Speaker 1: Each American league city to vote on the, award so

840
00:37:33,198 --> 00:37:33,838
Speaker 1: it's spread out.

841
00:37:33,878 --> 00:37:35,918
Speaker 2: Geographically BUT i.

842
00:37:35,838 --> 00:37:38,278
Speaker 1: Do Think judge is going to win the. AWARD i

843
00:37:38,398 --> 00:37:41,358
Speaker 1: don't think it's going to be. Unanimous AND i do,

844
00:37:41,478 --> 00:37:43,838
Speaker 1: think you, know Maybe roley's got some you, know in

845
00:37:43,838 --> 00:37:46,078
Speaker 1: this last week and a half to leave a last impression,

846
00:37:46,118 --> 00:37:48,118
Speaker 1: here you, know a big home run here to clinch

847
00:37:48,118 --> 00:37:48,958
Speaker 1: a division.

848
00:37:48,638 --> 00:37:49,918
Speaker 2: Title a big hit.

849
00:37:49,958 --> 00:37:52,798
Speaker 1: There we'll, See BUT i think right now the edge

850
00:37:52,838 --> 00:37:54,078
Speaker 1: belongs To, judge so.

851
00:37:53,998 --> 00:37:57,558
Speaker 3: That the voting isn't actually conducted or concluded until season's.

852
00:37:57,558 --> 00:37:58,198
Speaker 3: Over is that? Right?

853
00:37:58,438 --> 00:38:00,918
Speaker 1: Yeah you, Know i'm an award voter not on this

854
00:38:00,958 --> 00:38:04,358
Speaker 1: particular one as. Well and the only instruct is we

855
00:38:04,398 --> 00:38:07,038
Speaker 1: have to get the award in before the first wildcard

856
00:38:07,038 --> 00:38:10,358
Speaker 1: game is, played so you, know And i've always been

857
00:38:10,398 --> 00:38:13,678
Speaker 1: ONE i like to really not like IF i had

858
00:38:13,678 --> 00:38:16,878
Speaker 1: AN mvp, vote WHICH i don't this, YEAR i would

859
00:38:16,878 --> 00:38:19,998
Speaker 1: wait to sit down after the season to actually start crunching.

860
00:38:20,078 --> 00:38:22,518
Speaker 1: NUMBERS i don't like making it a horse race where

861
00:38:22,518 --> 00:38:26,158
Speaker 1: you start picking someone you think is, ahead because the the.

862
00:38:26,198 --> 00:38:29,038
Speaker 1: Biases you want to back up your instinct at that.

863
00:38:29,158 --> 00:38:31,638
Speaker 1: Point So i'd rather wait till all is said and

864
00:38:31,718 --> 00:38:34,478
Speaker 1: done that crunch the, numbers and then send the ballot.

865
00:38:34,518 --> 00:38:36,958
Speaker 2: In that's just the WAY i do. It anybody can.

866
00:38:36,798 --> 00:38:39,838
Speaker 1: Do it, differently BUT i certainly am in favor of

867
00:38:39,878 --> 00:38:41,918
Speaker 1: different dis opinion in this. CASE i don't want to

868
00:38:41,958 --> 00:38:44,438
Speaker 1: tell anyone That rally is not THE, mvp because you

869
00:38:44,438 --> 00:38:46,598
Speaker 1: can make a strong case for. HIM i just, think

870
00:38:46,638 --> 00:38:48,318
Speaker 1: in my, Mind i've Got judge slightly.

871
00:38:48,358 --> 00:38:51,158
Speaker 3: Ahead you're right on with everything you're. Saying there's no

872
00:38:51,238 --> 00:38:52,998
Speaker 3: question he's gonna win. It judge is gonna win. IT

873
00:38:53,078 --> 00:38:56,118
Speaker 3: i Think rawley's definitely worthy of that award this, year,

874
00:38:56,238 --> 00:38:59,278
Speaker 3: especially and who knows even if If roley comes up

875
00:38:59,278 --> 00:39:00,918
Speaker 3: big at the, END i still don't think that's going

876
00:39:00,998 --> 00:39:03,558
Speaker 3: to sway. It pretty. Much it's one of those things

877
00:39:03,558 --> 00:39:06,118
Speaker 3: like you sho have your mind made. UP i think

878
00:39:06,198 --> 00:39:10,918
Speaker 3: by now when guys evaluating, players even in a meeting

879
00:39:11,158 --> 00:39:14,318
Speaker 3: or the last thing they, saw pretty much sways their.

880
00:39:14,358 --> 00:39:16,878
Speaker 3: OPINION i never agree with. That it's the full body

881
00:39:16,918 --> 00:39:18,958
Speaker 3: of WORK i think over the course of the, year

882
00:39:18,998 --> 00:39:22,598
Speaker 3: and regardless of how Wonderfully rawley is, done if you're

883
00:39:22,598 --> 00:39:25,438
Speaker 3: going to really slant towards the offensive side of this

884
00:39:25,518 --> 00:39:27,918
Speaker 3: thing regarding who you're going to vote, for that there's no.

885
00:39:28,038 --> 00:39:31,918
Speaker 3: Question it's not even. Close if you want to balance

886
00:39:31,998 --> 00:39:34,518
Speaker 3: more of the aesthetics of the game into it and

887
00:39:34,678 --> 00:39:38,958
Speaker 3: consider other skill sets and try to balance your opinion

888
00:39:38,958 --> 00:39:41,558
Speaker 3: out voting, wise maybe there's some guys that are doing that,

889
00:39:41,638 --> 00:39:43,918
Speaker 3: too but most of the wars like this ARE i

890
00:39:43,958 --> 00:39:47,358
Speaker 3: think primarily in offensive. Awards, also THE mvp would be

891
00:39:47,438 --> 00:39:50,958
Speaker 3: that unless it's a really crazy pitcher with thirty wins or.

892
00:39:50,958 --> 00:39:55,038
Speaker 3: Whatever but, ANYHOW i Think judge is it great year For.

893
00:39:55,238 --> 00:39:58,958
Speaker 3: Rawley it's just unfortunate for him That judge has really

894
00:39:59,118 --> 00:39:59,438
Speaker 3: done it.

895
00:39:59,478 --> 00:40:02,278
Speaker 2: Again, joe by the, way are you a fan of

896
00:40:02,358 --> 00:40:03,278
Speaker 2: the group Super.

897
00:40:03,318 --> 00:40:06,558
Speaker 3: TRAMP i MEAN i kind of, YES i. DON'T i

898
00:40:06,558 --> 00:40:07,718
Speaker 3: don't like pull them up on the.

899
00:40:07,678 --> 00:40:10,518
Speaker 2: Ire a lot more progressive, rock the classic.

900
00:40:10,198 --> 00:40:12,518
Speaker 3: Rock right EXACTLY a little bit, later LIKE i moved

901
00:40:12,518 --> 00:40:13,838
Speaker 3: on a little bit from. THAT i don't. KNOW i

902
00:40:13,958 --> 00:40:15,718
Speaker 3: JUST i listened when they come. On, yeah there's a

903
00:40:15,718 --> 00:40:18,198
Speaker 3: lot of stuff that they. HAVE i do, like BUT i.

904
00:40:18,238 --> 00:40:20,598
Speaker 3: DON'T i don't like open my iPad but Say i'm

905
00:40:20,598 --> 00:40:21,358
Speaker 3: gonna go right to Super.

906
00:40:21,358 --> 00:40:24,638
Speaker 1: Tramp, no, yeah you're not rolling down the car windows

907
00:40:24,678 --> 00:40:28,558
Speaker 1: and turn up the stereo To dreamer or Good Bye.

908
00:40:28,558 --> 00:40:29,038
Speaker 2: Stranger.

909
00:40:29,198 --> 00:40:31,798
Speaker 1: RIGHT i had to bring it up because we Lost Rick.

910
00:40:32,078 --> 00:40:34,318
Speaker 1: Davies he was eighty one years, old one of the

911
00:40:34,318 --> 00:40:36,878
Speaker 1: founding members of Super. Tramp THIS i did not know

912
00:40:37,038 --> 00:40:39,878
Speaker 1: UNTIL i started reading about. Him the name Super.

913
00:40:39,918 --> 00:40:42,998
Speaker 2: Tramp i'm into, This, like where do the rock bands

914
00:40:43,038 --> 00:40:46,038
Speaker 2: get their? Names? Right there's always usually good stories behind.

915
00:40:46,038 --> 00:40:48,398
Speaker 1: It do you have any idea where Super tramp the

916
00:40:48,518 --> 00:40:49,838
Speaker 1: name came from Super?

917
00:40:49,918 --> 00:40:52,478
Speaker 3: Tramp you, know it's it just has a lot of

918
00:40:53,158 --> 00:40:57,758
Speaker 3: negative connotations to, it regarding somebody that did their work

919
00:40:57,838 --> 00:41:00,078
Speaker 3: on the. Streets somehow it just Doesn't, yeah it.

920
00:41:00,078 --> 00:41:03,878
Speaker 2: Doesn't, yeah you're not far from the. Truth it's actually

921
00:41:04,158 --> 00:41:04,958
Speaker 2: taking from.

922
00:41:05,238 --> 00:41:09,198
Speaker 1: Literature there's a book written by a guy whose last

923
00:41:09,278 --> 00:41:11,158
Speaker 1: name Was. Davies as a matter of, fact the relation

924
00:41:11,198 --> 00:41:13,758
Speaker 1: Of Rick davies W. H. DAVIES i think he was

925
00:41:13,758 --> 00:41:16,838
Speaker 1: A welsh poet and he wrote a book Called The

926
00:41:16,918 --> 00:41:21,238
Speaker 1: autobiography of A. Supertramp and besides being a, poet he

927
00:41:21,678 --> 00:41:25,078
Speaker 1: was a. Supertramp from eighteen ninety three to ninety. Nine

928
00:41:25,278 --> 00:41:28,158
Speaker 1: he traveled back and forth Between, England canada and THE

929
00:41:28,238 --> 00:41:30,918
Speaker 1: us and basically rode the rails back in the. Day

930
00:41:31,118 --> 00:41:32,478
Speaker 1: you know that was a thing back in the, day,

931
00:41:32,558 --> 00:41:35,718
Speaker 1: Right he got around by rail jumping on cargo, trains and.

932
00:41:36,238 --> 00:41:38,278
Speaker 2: He was a. Tramp and in this case he was

933
00:41:38,358 --> 00:41:38,838
Speaker 2: a super.

934
00:41:38,878 --> 00:41:41,518
Speaker 1: Tramp and he was also a, poet like a legit

935
00:41:41,798 --> 00:41:46,878
Speaker 1: published Famous welsh poet who got live material from chriss

936
00:41:46,918 --> 00:41:50,358
Speaker 1: Crossing canada in THE, us The autobiography of A.

937
00:41:50,398 --> 00:41:52,598
Speaker 2: Supertramp that's where the name came.

938
00:41:52,598 --> 00:41:54,758
Speaker 3: From superhook could have been super, hobo BUT i guess

939
00:41:54,758 --> 00:41:56,198
Speaker 3: a super tramp sounds lot.

940
00:41:56,238 --> 00:41:59,398
Speaker 2: Better that's super. Tramp SO i just remember this, too

941
00:41:59,438 --> 00:42:00,998
Speaker 2: is when it came to super. TRAMP i don't know

942
00:42:00,998 --> 00:42:01,478
Speaker 2: if you Remember.

943
00:42:01,558 --> 00:42:05,038
Speaker 1: Joe when CDs started becoming, popular, yeah, YEAH i started

944
00:42:05,038 --> 00:42:08,678
Speaker 1: moving away from, vinyl and people were, like you'll be

945
00:42:08,758 --> 00:42:09,798
Speaker 1: blown away by the.

946
00:42:09,878 --> 00:42:12,598
Speaker 2: Sound you will hear sound you never heard.

947
00:42:12,638 --> 00:42:15,918
Speaker 1: Before and one of the selling points For supertramp was

948
00:42:15,958 --> 00:42:19,598
Speaker 1: that they sound even better on. CDs you will hear

949
00:42:19,838 --> 00:42:23,798
Speaker 1: swirls and noises and sounds and notes that you can't

950
00:42:23,878 --> 00:42:26,638
Speaker 1: hear on. VINYL i just remember that being a selling

951
00:42:26,678 --> 00:42:27,398
Speaker 1: point of Super.

952
00:42:27,438 --> 00:42:28,438
Speaker 2: Tramp that was just In.

953
00:42:28,478 --> 00:42:31,838
Speaker 3: America that was great. STUFF i, mean my firstterea was

954
00:42:31,878 --> 00:42:33,958
Speaker 3: A hatachi my dad bought me WHEN i was in high,

955
00:42:33,998 --> 00:42:37,598
Speaker 3: school went down To Lenny cirilla's placed on here Below

956
00:42:37,638 --> 00:42:40,718
Speaker 3: Broad street and brought that back in the first cassette

957
00:42:40,758 --> 00:42:44,838
Speaker 3: he bought ME i. Won it Was Tubbleweed connection By Elton,

958
00:42:44,918 --> 00:42:47,438
Speaker 3: john WHICH i think is, wow well. SUCH i don't

959
00:42:47,438 --> 00:42:49,438
Speaker 3: know if it's underrated or, not BUT i love. That,

960
00:42:49,798 --> 00:42:53,438
Speaker 3: yeah that WHOLE. Cd but actually was a cassett excuse

961
00:42:53,478 --> 00:42:55,358
Speaker 3: me at that, time so it wasn't A, cd but

962
00:42:55,518 --> 00:42:59,438
Speaker 3: that was my first experience with stereo that was worth,

963
00:42:59,478 --> 00:43:01,638
Speaker 3: anything because prior to, THAT i was JUST i had

964
00:43:01,718 --> 00:43:05,238
Speaker 3: like a little had a Blonde filco record player and

965
00:43:05,678 --> 00:43:08,638
Speaker 3: maybe you know your your Channel master radio that he

966
00:43:08,718 --> 00:43:10,638
Speaker 3: also listened To harry carry. With but, yeah once you

967
00:43:10,678 --> 00:43:12,918
Speaker 3: got into that stereo scene with these little switches that

968
00:43:13,118 --> 00:43:15,078
Speaker 3: either take the stereo off or put it back, on

969
00:43:15,238 --> 00:43:17,678
Speaker 3: you control the base in the, Trouble my, GOD i

970
00:43:17,718 --> 00:43:17,878
Speaker 3: was in.

971
00:43:17,918 --> 00:43:20,278
Speaker 1: Heaven what about did you ever get involved in a

972
00:43:20,478 --> 00:43:23,398
Speaker 1: track in the five or six minutes it was actually in?

973
00:43:23,478 --> 00:43:25,478
Speaker 3: Vogue heck, YEAH i mean that was in all my.

974
00:43:25,558 --> 00:43:28,038
Speaker 3: CARS i had a sixty six vowel THAT i actually

975
00:43:28,078 --> 00:43:31,158
Speaker 3: put it underneath This. Listen you'd have money to like

976
00:43:31,198 --> 00:43:33,678
Speaker 3: take it to a dude and have it like, customize,

977
00:43:33,798 --> 00:43:36,558
Speaker 3: Right SO i just get it wired myself put underneath the.

978
00:43:36,598 --> 00:43:39,078
Speaker 3: Seat i'd have to bend, over take my eyes off

979
00:43:39,118 --> 00:43:41,398
Speaker 3: the road to Put simon And garfunkle in or out

980
00:43:41,558 --> 00:43:44,518
Speaker 3: or you know whatever get into the stones however it.

981
00:43:44,638 --> 00:43:47,598
Speaker 3: Was but, yeah eight tracks when they would also start double,

982
00:43:47,638 --> 00:43:49,638
Speaker 3: playing and you'd have to like jiggle them a little

983
00:43:49,638 --> 00:43:52,278
Speaker 3: bit so it gets back literally on. Track and then

984
00:43:52,278 --> 00:43:54,198
Speaker 3: you would take them out and get like a LONG

985
00:43:54,758 --> 00:43:56,638
Speaker 3: q tip like when with those long with the wooden

986
00:43:56,678 --> 00:43:58,878
Speaker 3: hand with the wooden stick handle and you put a

987
00:43:58,918 --> 00:44:01,758
Speaker 3: little rubbing alcohol and you get to that head was,

988
00:44:01,798 --> 00:44:04,678
Speaker 3: like would get dirty to try to improve this. Sound, also,

989
00:44:04,878 --> 00:44:07,718
Speaker 3: yes and my head wires all over that BOLBO i

990
00:44:07,718 --> 00:44:11,318
Speaker 3: had speakers exposed everywhere just to create better. Sound and

991
00:44:11,398 --> 00:44:14,158
Speaker 3: on top of, that probably had at least i'd say

992
00:44:14,198 --> 00:44:16,678
Speaker 3: twenty pounds of newspapers in that. BACKSEAT i would read

993
00:44:16,718 --> 00:44:17,758
Speaker 3: them and just throw them in the.

994
00:44:17,838 --> 00:44:22,678
Speaker 1: Back And, joe there has been breaking news that probably

995
00:44:22,798 --> 00:44:26,438
Speaker 1: one of the greatest actors of a baseball role in

996
00:44:26,478 --> 00:44:30,158
Speaker 1: the history of cinema has passed. Away Robert, redford a

997
00:44:30,358 --> 00:44:34,158
Speaker 1: quintessential leading man In, hollywood passed away to eighty. Nine

998
00:44:34,638 --> 00:44:37,638
Speaker 1: now there's many things that he can be remembered, for

999
00:44:37,718 --> 00:44:40,318
Speaker 1: but if you're a baseball, fan the first thing that

1000
00:44:40,438 --> 00:44:43,278
Speaker 1: must come to your mind Is The, natural one of

1001
00:44:43,318 --> 00:44:47,078
Speaker 1: my all time favorite. Movies just a beautiful movie to,

1002
00:44:47,238 --> 00:44:51,158
Speaker 1: watch just in terms of the, scenery the. Cinematography But

1003
00:44:51,278 --> 00:44:54,518
Speaker 1: Robert redford, passing of, course Played Roy hobbs in The,

1004
00:44:54,638 --> 00:44:58,278
Speaker 1: Natural and WHEN i think of his, Passing, JOE i

1005
00:44:58,358 --> 00:45:01,798
Speaker 1: know his career was extraordinary on both sides of a.

1006
00:45:01,838 --> 00:45:04,598
Speaker 1: Camera but that's the first thing that comes to my.

1007
00:45:04,678 --> 00:45:06,158
Speaker 2: Mind no, doubt that was.

1008
00:45:06,118 --> 00:45:09,358
Speaker 3: A spectacular, movie the whole. Thing but they do it

1009
00:45:09,398 --> 00:45:11,918
Speaker 3: At Buffalo War Memorial stadium was in that they. Did,

1010
00:45:11,998 --> 00:45:13,798
Speaker 3: yeah AND i never was, there BUT i heard so

1011
00:45:13,838 --> 00:45:16,038
Speaker 3: many things about, it and then right down to the

1012
00:45:16,278 --> 00:45:19,278
Speaker 3: to the one the bat and the kid giving him the,

1013
00:45:19,358 --> 00:45:21,878
Speaker 3: bat and everything about that movie was. Magical and the

1014
00:45:21,878 --> 00:45:23,998
Speaker 3: fact that he was like really, SMOOTH i mean when

1015
00:45:23,998 --> 00:45:26,238
Speaker 3: he threw a baseball was very. Believable when he swung a,

1016
00:45:26,278 --> 00:45:29,518
Speaker 3: bat it was very. Believable he was very baseball athletic

1017
00:45:29,558 --> 00:45:33,918
Speaker 3: wise in that particular. Movie and when you first mentioned his,

1018
00:45:33,998 --> 00:45:37,038
Speaker 3: name of, Course Paul, Newman pops and those two guys

1019
00:45:37,038 --> 00:45:39,998
Speaker 3: to me were man's, man like a man's man kind

1020
00:45:40,038 --> 00:45:43,158
Speaker 3: of a. Guy you just always rooted for. Them you

1021
00:45:43,238 --> 00:45:46,198
Speaker 3: always liked. Them they were so. Likable their roles were

1022
00:45:46,198 --> 00:45:48,878
Speaker 3: fantastic again BECAUSE i think there's to me they're kind of.

1023
00:45:48,918 --> 00:45:53,478
Speaker 3: Insuperable Butch, Cassidy Sun, dance et. Cetera so, YEAH i

1024
00:45:53,598 --> 00:45:56,958
Speaker 3: was a Big redford, fan a Big newman. Fan That's hollywood.

1025
00:45:56,998 --> 00:45:59,918
Speaker 3: ROYALTY i saw pop up on my screen too as

1026
00:45:59,918 --> 00:46:03,238
Speaker 3: we were talking earlier in this. Podcast so, yeah this

1027
00:46:03,318 --> 00:46:05,838
Speaker 3: is A i, think from my, perspective is a VERY

1028
00:46:05,998 --> 00:46:08,638
Speaker 3: i think the word class he's. OVERUSED i think this

1029
00:46:08,758 --> 00:46:11,518
Speaker 3: guy had demonstrated a lot of, class and he was

1030
00:46:11,558 --> 00:46:16,478
Speaker 3: distinctive and just he just handled himself in such a wonderful. Manner,

1031
00:46:16,998 --> 00:46:19,918
Speaker 3: big big fan on so many different levels of his,

1032
00:46:19,998 --> 00:46:22,238
Speaker 3: movies Even Three days of The, condor all these different

1033
00:46:22,238 --> 00:46:25,078
Speaker 3: things that he. DID a huge fan and it's too

1034
00:46:25,118 --> 00:46:26,838
Speaker 3: bad to read those that news. Today.

1035
00:46:27,198 --> 00:46:30,238
Speaker 1: Yeah of Course The natural was based on the book

1036
00:46:30,598 --> 00:46:35,038
Speaker 1: By Bernard, mohlamad and that was actually based loosely on

1037
00:46:35,078 --> 00:46:37,758
Speaker 1: a real life, Story Eddie. Wakes does that name mean

1038
00:46:37,798 --> 00:46:40,958
Speaker 1: anything to, You, Joe, Yeah Warmer Chicago cubs first. Baseman,

1039
00:46:41,158 --> 00:46:44,678
Speaker 1: yeah he was shot at The Edgewater Beach hotel In

1040
00:46:44,758 --> 00:46:48,358
Speaker 1: chicago in nineteen forty nine by a nineteen year old,

1041
00:46:48,398 --> 00:46:51,758
Speaker 1: fan Ruth Ann, steenhagen who had stalked. Him so the

1042
00:46:51,798 --> 00:46:54,878
Speaker 1: movie is just a fictionalized the, count but the scene

1043
00:46:54,958 --> 00:46:57,998
Speaker 1: with him being, shot the story Of Eddie wakes was

1044
00:46:58,158 --> 00:46:59,558
Speaker 1: kind of the background For The.

1045
00:46:59,678 --> 00:47:04,558
Speaker 3: NATURAL i think this requires after eighteen holes of golf,

1046
00:47:04,598 --> 00:47:07,438
Speaker 3: today cooking a really good dinner, tonight maybe going See

1047
00:47:07,438 --> 00:47:10,478
Speaker 3: beanie this, afternoon starting to button things up. TONIGHT i

1048
00:47:10,518 --> 00:47:12,758
Speaker 3: Think i'm going to Put The natural on the tube,

1049
00:47:12,798 --> 00:47:15,438
Speaker 3: tonight turn it up a little, bit and enjoy. It

1050
00:47:15,478 --> 00:47:17,518
Speaker 3: in All E, SCLORY i think that's exactly you just

1051
00:47:17,558 --> 00:47:19,318
Speaker 3: you just convinced me that that's What i'm doing.

1052
00:47:19,398 --> 00:47:22,398
Speaker 1: Tonight nineteen eighty, FOUR i think when that movie came,

1053
00:47:22,438 --> 00:47:25,478
Speaker 1: out and then of course it was The Kirk gibson

1054
00:47:25,478 --> 00:47:29,278
Speaker 1: home run in nineteen eighty, eight where that was the, comparison,

1055
00:47:29,358 --> 00:47:31,718
Speaker 1: right the walk off home run didn't hit the clock

1056
00:47:31,758 --> 00:47:36,318
Speaker 1: and exploit the. Clock but, Yeah Robert, redford my, goodness

1057
00:47:36,438 --> 00:47:39,158
Speaker 1: what star power? Is that Was Robert redford on the

1058
00:47:39,198 --> 00:47:42,998
Speaker 1: screen right AS i, SAID a quintessential leading man has left.

1059
00:47:43,038 --> 00:47:45,718
Speaker 3: Us eighty, FOUR i was managing The Puoria, Chiefs, Puria.

1060
00:47:45,758 --> 00:47:48,958
Speaker 3: Illinois Pete vanochen was my. Owner pete And Harry carey

1061
00:47:48,998 --> 00:47:51,518
Speaker 3: were best of, friends and he Eulogized harry at his

1062
00:47:51,598 --> 00:47:53,678
Speaker 3: funeral In, chicago and if you could find it on,

1063
00:47:53,718 --> 00:47:57,158
Speaker 3: YouTube it's. Outstanding pete was the best. Man so nineteen

1064
00:47:57,198 --> 00:48:00,358
Speaker 3: eighty four is a near and dear ear to my.

1065
00:48:00,518 --> 00:48:02,398
Speaker 3: Heart so definitely gonna watch that.

1066
00:48:02,438 --> 00:48:04,998
Speaker 1: Tonight, Well, joe we've reached the point in the podcast

1067
00:48:05,038 --> 00:48:07,358
Speaker 1: where you take us home and what do you have

1068
00:48:07,438 --> 00:48:09,078
Speaker 1: to end this edition of The book Of.

1069
00:48:09,158 --> 00:48:10,038
Speaker 2: Joe, well you.

1070
00:48:09,958 --> 00:48:11,638
Speaker 3: Know we kind of touched on it a little. Bit

1071
00:48:11,838 --> 00:48:13,358
Speaker 3: JUST i was just considering the time of the year

1072
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Speaker 3: that it is and all these teams vying for this.

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Speaker 3: Position and you, Know i've talked to different managers at

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Speaker 3: different points over the last couple of. Years they they'll

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Speaker 3: check in AND i really these come for, me actually these,

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Speaker 3: quotes BECAUSE i do believe it to really hold true right.

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Speaker 3: Now number, one would we do simple? Better you just

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Speaker 3: you want to you want to consume nuggets right, now

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Speaker 3: not the entire. Chicken you, know everybody wants this time

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Speaker 3: of the. Year this is what happens is everybody wants

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Speaker 3: to get, involved meaning you, know their analytical, staff they're

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Speaker 3: they're they're putting together reams of information about the teams

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Speaker 3: are going to. Play they have meetings all day long

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Speaker 3: which are not, necessary and you're basically just getting people,

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Speaker 3: tired is what you're doing after a long. Season SO

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Speaker 3: i would really implore and encourage groups to just do

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Speaker 3: simple better right. Now if you have a, meeting which you,

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Speaker 3: should just really put a governor on it and and,

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Speaker 3: realize at this time of the, year the team that

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Speaker 3: plays better, baseball the better rested, team the better prepare

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Speaker 3: team mentally in regards to how they approach the, day

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Speaker 3: how they play the. Game who makes less mental, mistakes

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Speaker 3: that's the team that's going to. Win SO i really

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Speaker 3: believe in. FRESHNESS i believe in freshness and not overwhelming with.

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Speaker 3: Information so do simple. Better and last, point never permit

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Speaker 3: the pressure to exceed the. Pleasure you work so hard

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Speaker 3: to get to this, point something you've always wanted to.

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Speaker 3: Do and now. Listen the first YEAR i got to

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Speaker 3: the playoffs with The angels in two thousand and, two

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Speaker 3: we win. It my, GOD i was like, accelerated. OVERWHELMED

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Speaker 3: i was balling after that. Game my dad had just

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Speaker 3: passed away that. Year it was that powerful to me

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Speaker 3: Because i've always wanted to be a major league, coach, player, manager.

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Speaker 3: Whatever and then and then of course get into the

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Speaker 3: playoffs and there you. Are you're in the. Playoffs so

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Speaker 3: never permit the pressure of the moment to exceed the.

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Speaker 3: Pleasure sometimes we, do and that's too. Bad slow things

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Speaker 3: down takes mental. Snapshots this is what you've always worked

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Speaker 3: to do and, become and realize if you want to

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Speaker 3: win it. ALL i think to do simple better and

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Speaker 3: not permitting the pressure to see the pleasure are two

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Speaker 3: really good thoughts to hold on.

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Speaker 1: To sage advice all the, time but especially this time of.

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Speaker 1: Year thank you, brother good, Job joe'll see you next time.

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Speaker 2: On The book Of joe To.

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