WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Concerned About Depth? 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:08.400 This this He's talking Cowboys Straining live from the Dallas 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:18.320 Cowboys World headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Here are 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:24.320 Mickey Spagnola, Bryan Brats, Rob Phillips, and Taylor Stern. Welcome 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:28.560 everybody into the s WBC Mortgage studio here at the 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:32.280 Star in Frisco. We are ready for another great episode 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:35.080 with you guys. How's everyone doing? Guy, it feels like 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:38.960 we haven't done this in a while, don't it. Yeah, 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:42.520 it hasn't been though. Always to me, you get such 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:44.959 a in such a rhythm, you know, we haven't had 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:47.480 that in a while. And now and then we're sitting 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:49.599 there thinking, Okay, now we got OTA's about to get 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.720 into that rhythm. So that's what's different. That's what's football 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.520 is back. It's football is back. How are you doing, Mickey? 0:00:55.600 --> 0:01:00.240 It was back last week. I mean Vet's back. Rookie minicamp. Right, Yeah, 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:03.920 that's what you call that. Meetings on the field. That 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.440 was cool, ye, meetings. You're right. There are owners meetings 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:10.360 going on this week in Atlanta as well as the OTAs. 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:14.679 Starting today here for the guys, the full first team 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:17.360 activity for them to all get underway, and we'll have 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:21.880 media availability tomorrow, right, But this is the first thing 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:23.880 going on this week which I wanted to get into 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:27.039 some things that will help understand what this team will 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.080 look like in twenty eighteen. You know, there's a lot 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:35.679 of change. A lot happened this offseason, of course, different releases, retirements, 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.040 the rookie class. So I wanted to pose a few 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:42.720 questions to you guys and see what you think will 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:47.880 be answered during the OTAs. And Mickey, doing his due diligence, 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:51.120 was just kind of, you know, using our surroundings here 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.760 at the Star and checking out what's going on. And 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:57.040 I think you ractually got to my first question before 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.240 you realized it when you walked in here, he said, 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:02.000 I was looking to see who would replace Dez, kind 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:05.440 of being around the different locker room and different things. Yeah, so, Mickey, 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:07.080 the question I have for you is who do you 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:10.480 think during this OTAs in the locker room might be 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:16.080 that stepping up, you know, void, filling for the leadership 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:20.359 and passion presence that of course Jason Witton and Dez Bryant. 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:24.919 I have no clue they got helmets on out there 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:28.000 by the way. Yeah, I was looking to see who 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:29.520 was going to be the last one out of the 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:32.560 locker room. Yeah, because Dez was usually the last guy 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:34.320 out of the locker room, so he can make his 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:36.640 entrance sort of the way Michael Irvin used to do 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:39.840 back in the day. Yea. And they were still trickling 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.600 out when it was time to get going here. So 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:45.600 I was kind of looking for eighty three. Yeah, it's 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:48.600 seeing if he's around. Well, he's been rehabbing, so we 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:50.519 may not see a lot of him. Well, he wasn't 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:52.600 going to take part in there in the drills, but 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:54.919 I thought maybe he'd be out there unless he's trying 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:58.680 to paint that light pole that he supposedly hit. Let 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:01.040 me ask you this though, in question though eighty three 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.240 leader for you? Then, my god, no, because he doesn't 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.560 have the personality to do it. Yeah, and he's not 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:09.600 in the locker room that much anyway, so you got 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:12.480 to go search and find him in the first place. Sure, 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:16.720 somebody's it's not going to happen until they start playing games, 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.359 so they start getting into training camp. I mean, who 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.520 who's gonna as a wide receiver, who's gonna step up 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:26.200 and talk other than I'd Beasley was always there right? Sure? 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.840 All right? Hearns got to earn his way, right, Thompson 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:32.720 got to earn his way, Gallop got to earn his way. 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.880 I know Tavon Austin was here immediately after the draft weekend. 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.720 He was here that Monday, and I'd be curious to 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:43.120 see how his personality is going to mesh with this group. 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:45.880 You know, he looks, at least from the social media 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.080 aspect of what he's posted and put out there, looks 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:53.160 like he's got a you know, vibrant personality. He has fun, 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:56.000 he dances and videos. I don't know if you guys 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.280 have seen those, but you know, I'm curious to see 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:00.400 if he'll kind of mesh with them. And now I 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:02.800 will because Alan Hearns, We've gotten a chance to talk 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:07.440 with him and he's more laid back. Yeah, kind of 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:11.600 seeing how that will fit. Yeah, I think that, you know, 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.160 to I don't know if the if the if the 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:17.200 leadership is going to come from if to answer your 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:22.400 question in a big, big view, yeah, I don't think 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.679 the leadership is going to come from a wide receiver, 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:28.000 you know, and in naturally you'd say it's the quarterback. 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:32.120 But then this offensive line has such a influence on 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:36.880 what happens. I correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.280 starting to hear more from Tyron Smith than I did 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:43.000 in the past. I'm starting to hear more of a voice, 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:47.720 and maybe within his own group that that voice has 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.520 always been there, but we're starting to see and not 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:52.160 Tyrn Smith is like, hey, you know, I mean, I 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.120 don't really like to do but but I think that 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.919 you're starting to kind of get an idea that maybe 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:01.040 that Tyren Smith is now going to be this guy 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:04.720 him and Dak and you know Zeke if you say, well, 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:08.039 but I think it's gonna come. The real leadership from 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.480 from this team is going to come from a guy 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:15.680 like a Tyrant Smith or a of course Sean Lee, 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:19.159 that type of a person. There was a story a 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.320 couple of years ago where Tyron Smith got in front 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:23.440 of everybody in the meeting room and said, if you 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:25.920 guys aren't all in, yeah, just get out right now. 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.200 And it was kind of surprising to hear because, like 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.800 you said, his personality's more reserved. I think he's one 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.000 of those guys that will speak if if needed to. 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.760 And I think that's important without Witten here, because I 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:38.479 think Witten had the same type of presence. I don't 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:40.760 think he was Michael Irvin like Mickey's reference, where he's, 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:44.000 you know, the pied piper and always talking, always talking, 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.000 but when something needs to be said. Hey, I think 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:51.880 it depends on what type of leadership. You know, different things. Yeah, 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.760 the offensive the offensive line leads by example. I mean 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:56.680 they are highly respected because of the way they go 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:00.279 about their business. To Bryant's point, let's not mistake doing 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.760 interviews in the locker room and being available to being 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:05.880 a leader. Yeah, we don't know everything that goes on. 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:07.920 Joe Luny, I'll talk every day if you want to. 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:11.560 But I think that we're starting to see more. I'm 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:15.279 not taking it as leadership, as leadership, as media interviews. 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:18.400 I'm just taking it as a guy that we don't 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:23.400 always see step Travis Frederick steps up for the offensive lineman, 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.760 Zach Martin is stepped up. I know that. But I'm 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.920 saying we don't don't confuse it with not confusing it 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:33.680 at all. I'm saying a guy who's I'm just saying 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:38.200 a guy that normally isn't an outspoken guy is you're 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:42.200 starting to see more from him. That's That's and maybe 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:45.600 that's something that that is going to translate for them. Uh, 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:48.560 they're gonna need somebody. They're gonna need somebody in that room. 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:52.160 And it doesn't have to be is is dynamic as 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:54.480 Jason Witten, But there's gonna be somebody's needs going to 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:56.400 step up in that room. But if they got a 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.080 lot of young guys in that room that are looking 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:02.720 around and thinking, you know, okay, well who's who do 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.880 who do I latch onto? Who's my guy? Who who's 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.520 you know? Yeah, and they may find that the main 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:10.360 point of this is that this is the first time 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.600 that the rookies and veterans are really mixing together on 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:17.920 the football field, interacting, learning things. You know. It's pretty funny. 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.000 I was talking to someone who works in football operations. 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.440 That's what I said. Oh, these rookies are so excited 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.360 to do so much and he goes, yeah, they haven't 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.880 been around the vets yet. He goes, just wait until 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:28.760 they're around the Vets in a couple of days, and 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:31.720 you'll see how things change pretty quickly. Oh, Connor Williams 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.239 gets used to working with that group of offensive linemen 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:38.000 exactly because you're coming from a different system. College is 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:41.840 so much different than the professional level, and understanding that 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.960 once you get around these guys, you might just tailor 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.760 your personality a little bit differently. Well, I think they 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:50.400 did a good thing of having those rookies out there 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:55.760 watching the strength and conditioning workouts over the last since 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:59.000 they've been here absolutely two weeks. Yep. They didn't do anything. 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.360 They watched and then they came out later in the 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:04.880 afternoon and did their strength and conditioning work. But they 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.800 had them all out there standing and watching what was 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.960 going on, so they understood, Okay, this is the way 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:13.840 we practice, this is the drills we do. And I 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:17.040 think that helps kind of get them moved into it 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.040 because they're gonna be there. Those are young guys. Some 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.040 of them gonna be starstruck when they sit there and 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:23.120 they line up. Yeah, but let's be honest here though, 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:24.960 there's a lot of veterans that are the same boat. 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.960 We got a whole new group of coaches out there too. Right, 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.240 These drills and the way things are going to be 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:35.480 taught are different. I mean, those those veteran guys are thinking, okay, 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:38.520 sang laws drills. I've never run around a poll here 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:41.520 and had to sink my hips and Derek Dooley did 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:43.720 it this way. I mean there's drills that they're having 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:47.120 to learn. I mean there's actually some excuse me, Roun, 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.160 there's some there's even footing in a lot of it. 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:53.040 The experience is great, but the experience with these coaches 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.040 is pretty equal for all these guys. I want to 0:08:56.040 --> 0:09:00.800 watch Chris Roshard with the young secondary guys more than anything. Yeah, yes, absolutely, 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.040 that's another thing that we definitely need to talk about. 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.360 But I think, you know, Mickey brought up the rookies 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.880 getting starstruck, but some of these rookies also have the ability. 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:12.479 You know, we brought up Terrence Williams maybe not practicing 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:16.040 and participating with the foot rehab. They have an opportunity 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:19.400 here in these OTAs to at least show flashes. Cam 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.520 Kelly has been a name of undrafted rookie that people 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.280 keep throwing around that he has an opportunity during these 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:28.440 OTAs to prove his, you know, spot on this team. 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:31.960 They're gonna have somebody make this team. It's an undrafted rookie, Tay, 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:34.800 and you're absolutely right about they always do. Yeah, there, 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.680 it might be two, it might be three guys. That's 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:39.920 the great thing about. They do a great job with 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:44.800 their undrafted class. But you're mentioned cam Kelly. Yes, there's 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:48.079 guys that now have a fresh start. There's some guys 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:51.840 that maybe the previous coaching staff and the kid White. 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.520 I always bring him up the corner that they drafted 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:59.520 Ques White from Florida State. In the old system, he 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.400 might not been as valued as he is now because 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.400 of the way he physically looks. He has the talent 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:08.720 on the practice squad basically the whole year. He now 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.880 has a fresh start. With the way this current coaching 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.439 staff is, you have to see a guy like Jordan Lewis, 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:20.400 maybe Christopher Shard's opinion of Byron Jones's yeah, I saw 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.079 a corner all the way here, I saw a corner, 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:25.880 and now all of a sudden, it's like, okay, well, yeah, 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.240 let's move in the corner. Well what do you think about, well, 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.880 Jordan Lewis is a little short for me. Well, now 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:34.480 Jordan Lewis, after having a pretty good rookie season, needs 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:36.440 to say, okay, well, maybe I've got to prove to 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:38.880 Christoph Shard that I can play a little bit here. 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.559 Christ Shard is definitely on there, and we're getting a 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.160 little excited about it because he is an exciting name 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.880 to talk about. But out of the guys that you've 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.079 seen so far, and we've had the privilege of seeing 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.720 some rookie minicamp, who do you think is going to 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:54.920 have the best chance to show those flashes to possibly 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:59.320 have an opportunity to even possibly start this season? I 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.559 think I think Gallup has an opportunity right off the bat, 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.120 Michael Michael Gallup third round picked to get some extra 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:06.960 reps because I don't don't think we're gonna see Terrence 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.439 Williams in the office, not going to see him till 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:13.160 training think so, so you know, hey, Ryan Switzer not 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:15.800 here anymore, had an opportunity in the off season, get 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:17.520 some extra reps, get kind of ahead of the game. 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:19.679 I think that's a chance for him. I think when 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:23.160 everybody's healthy, I would I would predict Alan Hearns and 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:26.960 Terrence Williams as you're starting receivers. But what happens midway 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.160 through the season, you know, maybe Gallup has a chance 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:31.760 to get a head start and can continue developing the 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:33.720 point where maybe he's a starter by mid season. Yeah. 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:36.959 The key thing with all these new coaches is everybody's 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.720 gonna be out there trying to impress their new balls, 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.040 no doubt. So no one's gonna feel like they just 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.240 got grandfathered into their start. Now. Obviously, the guys on 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:49.040 the offensive line, the three Pro Bowlers, they're pretty secure 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:51.800 in their position. But just think back to when you 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:55.280 were a kid and you got a new coach or 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:57.440 you went to a new team, but you tried a 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:59.719 little harder because you wanted to prove yourself and make 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:01.680 sure they saw who you were. It's one of the 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:05.319 reasons they tailed back the work in rookie minicamp because 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:07.960 the guys weren't ready physically, and they didn't want him 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.240 go on two hundred percent to try to impress. Chris 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:12.520 Rashard just kind of let them ease in. You know, 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:15.160 the name that I'm I'm looking to see out there 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:17.680 is Layton vander Esh. You're gonna get three starters out 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:21.680 of this group fight forward before midway through the season. 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.760 Absolutely vander Esh is gonna start. I'm gonna I'm gonna 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.800 throw Dalton Schultz's name out there. I think Mickey and 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:30.560 Mickey said they might open eleven personnel. That's okay, But 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:32.480 when they get back into that when they get back 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.360 into normal personnel group. Dalton Schultz is gonna be your 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.000 starter at tight end. I'm just gonna throw that out 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.920 there right now. And then you've got Connor Williams. Conor 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.240 Williams is gonna start at left guard and don't go 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:46.280 to sleep on gallop. Yep, that's why. No, if you 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:48.080 want to throw four, if you want to throw four 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:51.559 in there, This team, after the Chargers game last year, 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:53.480 proved that they're, you know what, just put the young 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:55.520 guys out there, you know, and they were fighting for 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:59.280 a playoff spots. They probably hadn't much with choice, but 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:03.079 it's still if you you know, it's kind of it's 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.920 unusual for a coaching staff that might be and this 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:09.120 is me, this is not anybody else's opinion. This is 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:12.160 a coaching staff that might be coaching for their jobs. Okay, 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:15.040 So usually you don't throw young guys in the mix. 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.960 Usually put veteran guys out there and say, okay, but 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.800 you know, these are kids they selected, and they're gonna say, 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:22.800 if these guys can help us get to where we 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:25.200 need to be and it helps us maintain our job, 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.840 then by all means, play those guys. But like Mickey said, 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:29.880 you could you could have four guys. You could have 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:33.880 four rookies start opening day for this football That was 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:35.800 that was the plan last year until they all got 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.920 hamstring injuries. Yeah, you know, I mean, may the best 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:40.520 woman win, And that was that was the plan in 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.560 the secondary at least. I'm with you. I don't four 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.160 is a lot, but hey, it's a young football team. 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:48.240 There's not a lot of guys that have ten fifteen 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.440 years in the league anymore. But think about where, think 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.840 about where they're playing. Think about the positions they're playing. 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:55.959 You know, if you look at the positions they're playing, 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.079 would you feel better about a veteran player, I mean 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.280 Jeff Sway maybe, Yeah, I feel better about that. We 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:04.040 feel better about Terence Williams playing. I think. I think 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.280 it's what we talked about with Cheeto and those guys 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.280 last year. Like the experience gives a Jeff Swain maybe 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:11.760 an edge now, right, but by the time you get 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:16.120 to the end of Sea might give him a full preseason. 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:18.360 Think about I'm not waiting that long. Think about what 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:20.960 hellam with Cooper Rush Last year he kind of moved in, 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:22.800 moved in and all of a sudden Oh he's our 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.440 backup quarterback. It doesn't have to be right off the 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:29.240 start if you can go back. You know, Russell Maryland 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.240 was the number one pick in the draft, sure was. 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.600 He didn't start until like game eight or nine. His 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.200 rookie year was a town defensive line though they had 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.200 well it was, but he still got in there eventually, eventual. 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:42.280 You know, the same thing with Kevin Smith. He didn't 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:46.760 start right away. Sean Lee, Yeah, sore though. Now. I 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:50.000 I think if you have a veteran that can hold 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.440 down the fort until the guy's ready, it's gotta be ready. 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:54.400 They can't give away games so much, but you can't. 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:56.880 You gotta be ready. Yeah, but you could give away 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.480 games by putting young guys in if they're not ready. Yeah. 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:03.000 That that's that's fair. That's fair. And you know, coaches 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.800 that this can want to make sure. No. No, And 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:09.120 I I think, and again I've been very adamant about this. 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.520 This coach, it's it's all it's last chance, you know, 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:13.720 let's figure it out. I mean, hey, you've got they 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:16.840 drafted these kids. Put them in there, let them play, 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.480 you know, if that's if that you would rather have 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.080 your fate in your hands with guys that you select. Well, 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.000 you said it. What you said to me about position 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:29.680 is the most important thing. Lineback those two spots you get. 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:30.760 You need a guy who can play a lot of 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:32.680 snaps just the way based on the way the off 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:35.280 season's gone, losing guys, what you guys are all telling 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.360 me is actually giving me a lot of optimism right now. 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:41.600 And it's giving me optimism because of the fact that 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:45.080 you're kind of in a recipe for everyone to do 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.120 their best and they're up against the wall, and as 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:52.840 we've heard Brian say many times before, desperate football teams win. Yeah, 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.400 and you know, Mickey brought up a great analogy of 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.120 the fact that these guys are showing up to their 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:01.640 first impression first as to show them everything they got. 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:04.640 On the opposite side, the staff and the coaches are 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.840 doing everything they can to keep their job. So they're 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:12.000 both yeah, combining. You have to you have to shame 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:15.160 on them if they weren't doing that before. No, I think, 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:18.400 and you got new coaches, I'm with you. Do you 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:20.640 see my point, Brian, No, I do see your point. 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:24.200 And I'm also they've also made a lot of changes 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:27.120 of coaches because to your point, shame on them for 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.800 not doing what they were supposed to do well. And 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:32.160 I'm saying, and these guys are first year coaches, they're 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:35.160 going to be coaching hard or regardless, right, Yeah, I mean, 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:40.520 you know, with so many guys and with different positions. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.120 they're they're they're going to be coaching, you know, real hard. 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:47.760 But Rod Marinelli eating coach hard. No, Now he coached hard. 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:51.880 Let a hand coached hard. Now you got new guys 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.200 and they're trying to make their way and prove what 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:57.920 they know. But do you still have to give guys 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.720 a chance to show what they can do? I guarantee 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.400 you when they line up there, you think Connor Williams 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:05.280 is gonna be with the first team left guard? No, 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:07.399 probably not. He'll probably be He'll they'll go with a 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:11.960 veteran guys his way exactly, but it'll be Chas Yeah. 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:13.639 I mean, they'll put Chash green. And you're right about that. 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.240 This team better than it was at the end of 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.520 last year. I don't know that we can say that 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.760 a big question that we answered on round table two 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.280 weeks ago. Yeah, I don't I don't know that you 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.320 can say that I think leaderships to play with. Okay, 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:31.400 so getting rid of Witton retireing, does Bryant gone, Yeah, 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:34.199 losing Witten, I think that voice, in that presence in 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:35.879 the locker room, I think there's something to that. I 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.800 think you still have to have receivers emerge for Dak. 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.760 I do think what I've The thing that encourages me most, 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.640 particularly offensively is the offensive line because I do think 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:47.000 Connor it's gonna be your left guard. I think that 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:49.439 guy playing sixteen games, you hope it's gonna help you 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:51.320 out a little bit. Always say hope with him. Kind 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:53.480 of hate that. Well, I'm thinking injury too, if he 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:55.840 can have a healthy season. But yeah, there's guys that 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.080 have to emerge. Into Tay's point, I agree with what 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:02.159 you said because competence receiver is the best example of that. 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:03.840 They went out and they got Tavon Austin. You'd call 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:06.800 them a receiver, running back whatever. 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