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Speaker 1: How long can you hold your breath? How far can

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Speaker 1: you run? How long can you push yourself until your

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Speaker 1: body fails? Today on the David Rutherford Show, I have

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Speaker 1: multiple Guinness Book World record Holder, multiple World Champion free diver,

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Speaker 1: longest breathold, mister Stig Severnson, Sir, thank you so.

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Speaker 2: Much for joining me today on the David Rutherfordgs. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for having me on the show. I'm excited. Well,

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Speaker 2: it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to think back to win Morton and

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Speaker 1: Rebecca first introduced you to me, just like told me

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Speaker 1: about you, and I think it was probably around I

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Speaker 1: want to say, two thousand and fifteen or sixteen, and

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Speaker 1: I looked you up and I was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I know who that guy is, right, because I know

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Speaker 1: you had worked with the Seal Teams before and you've

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Speaker 1: done a lot of work with other elite competitors. And

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Speaker 1: but it wasn't until I really like went into the

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Speaker 1: World Championships and your records where I was like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, this guy's had a whole nother And then

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Speaker 1: for me, obviously a twenty two minute breath hold, the

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Speaker 1: first human being to ever do that. It you for

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Speaker 1: me because I've pushed my body to is you know,

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Speaker 1: the limits are close to my limits in hell week

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Speaker 1: in combat, like the appreciation I have for what that

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Speaker 1: I remember, just like in AWE, like mouth open, you know,

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Speaker 1: catch and flies with it. Tell me what I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people and what I've always tried to

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Speaker 1: figure out the sequence that gets a human being to

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Speaker 1: this is attainable and I'm going to go for it.

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Speaker 1: So introduce everybody to how that process transpired for you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hello everyone, Thank you for taking the time listening

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Speaker 2: or watching the show. Yeah, I know exactly what you mean,

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Speaker 2: and it's always it should be, I guess, a fun

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Speaker 2: endeavor and of course a tough journey at times, but

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Speaker 2: it really has just been a natural evolution for me.

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Speaker 2: That sounds easy, of course to say, but I've always

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Speaker 2: been very fond of water. I did competitive swimming, So that's.

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Speaker 1: You're a four time national champion at nine?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was very young. I got into swimming I

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Speaker 2: was picked for something called the talent team when I

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Speaker 2: was five. Wow, And from then on it was just competitions.

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Speaker 2: You can say, I grew up in Denmark. I'm Danish

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Speaker 2: with a Swedish mom, but you know, Scandinavian. And I

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Speaker 2: I would say, a quite normal upbringing. That's kind of

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Speaker 2: my point, you know, you know, growing up with my parents,

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Speaker 2: it's quite cold and Denmark even though, you know, so

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Speaker 2: we had our safety gear and stuff. But they wanted

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Speaker 2: So that's my brother and my father. Interestingly enough, but

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Speaker 2: you know, identifying those things that are easy to change.

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Speaker 2: So you're still doing something like brushing your teeth for example.

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Speaker 2: You know, so a dentist would tell you you're brushing it

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Speaker 2: So that is a habit that's good. You're cleaning your teeth,

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Speaker 2: It doesn't take longer. You still have to do it,

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Speaker 2: that stacks up to a lot of positivity for dental hygiene.

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Speaker 2: I think is great in the American system that you

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00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 2: actually moved the body and had had training every day.

431
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 2: So when I moved to Spain, I picked up a

432
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 2: magazine to learn Spanish. So this is how random it is.

433
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: I'd been there for a few weeks. I was at

434
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 2: something called American British College. I paid myself to learn.

435
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 2: Sorry for kicking you, yes, I learned. You know. I

436
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 2: wanted to learn a little bit Spanish. So I saw

437
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 2: this colorful magazine called apnea, which in Spanish means breath

438
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 2: holding in English as well, but it's a Greek word,

439
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 2: not breathing or no air, so like sleep, apnea it

440
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 2: means without air, without breathing. So I picked up this magazine, colorful, beautiful,

441
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 2: right next to that kind of college where I paid

442
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 2: and went myself to learn some Spanish before I got

443
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 2: admitted to the university to study for a year. I

444
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 2: didn't even know Spanish. Because I'm a little bit silly.

445
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I'm going to go to Spain. Well

446
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 2: I don't and I don't eve mean I'm even so dumb.

447
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: But this is before chat GBT and we had these typewriter, remember,

448
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 2: and so I didn't know that in Barcelona they spoke Catalan.

449
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: Catalan is not Spanish, no, it's different, and so you know,

450
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: so I had to learn two languages. And then there

451
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 2: were the because of all the things that had happened

452
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 2: in the seventies and all the kind of dictatorship and

453
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 2: all those things, it was not allowed to speak their language.

454
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: So the older generation, which were the smart people and

455
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 2: the educated people, were teachers now again and because of

456
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 2: Franco and all that with the dictatorship, they were so

457
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 2: upset that they had had this long period where they

458
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 2: could not have, you know, the freedom to speak their

459
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 2: own language and live their culture and historical you know, heritage.

460
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 2: So they were very I wouldn't say snobbish, but very

461
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 2: adamant about only speaking Cattalan at the university when they

462
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 2: were teaching. Okay, so I had to just learn. I

463
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: was like back paddling and writing out of that. I

464
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 2: didn't know if it was Spanish or cattle, and I

465
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 2: just wrote it down. But I anyways, I picked up

466
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: this magazine and now maybe it begins to get a

467
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 2: little bit interesting. And I saw this like World Championship

468
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 2: in Sardinia, and this is in nineteen ninety eight, ninety nine,

469
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 2: exactly nineteen ninety eight. I picked up this magazine and

470
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: I stayed there for one year. So it had been

471
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 2: the summer championship in nineteen ninety eight in Sardinia, small

472
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 2: island and near Italy or part of Italy. And I

473
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 2: looked at the times and the depth and I was like,

474
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: I could be in the mix. That was my first

475
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: I think I've never told anyone. They just are like

476
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 2: I could do that. Yeah. But I was like, so

477
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 2: maybe that is the.

478
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: First lifetime a lifetime and it's not arrogance, right, It's

479
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: like in reach ye, so I get your question.

480
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 2: So we have to explain to people like how it happens.

481
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, So I got curious. So

482
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: then I started training more and more on land. By

483
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: the way, never hold your breath alone underwater, because you

484
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 2: can use consciousness and black out and drown. Not dangerous

485
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 2: if somebody's there to fish you out, but if you alone,

486
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 2: then you know. We unfortunately lose a lot of people

487
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 2: every year, especially training for the military, because they push themselves. Well,

488
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 2: I mean I can't even tell you. Yeah, it's sad.

489
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: It's fifty meter underwater swims. Yeah, we would do, you know,

490
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: not tying even combat swimmer.

491
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: Some of the drills. I mean it was almost.

492
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: Every every evolution, which could be three to four hours,

493
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: somebody's getting yeah.

494
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 2: And nothing happens. You're not getting brain damage, nothing happens.

495
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 2: But if there's not anyone to pull you out and

496
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: you do it alone or in the evening after swim

497
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: drills or you know, the coach is gone, and especially

498
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: young men, they are like invincible, I'm superman, you know,

499
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: and they pushed themselves. They really want to get into

500
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 2: the you know, military or maybe the Navy, Seals or

501
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 2: special forces. So please don't do that. It's very important.

502
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: I lost my best friend the you know, twenty twelve,

503
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 2: and I'm still like very moved by it. But I'm

504
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 2: also using it as a good fuel for safety. And

505
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: I did the safety for the World World Championships many

506
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: years ago, and I really got into that world and

507
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 2: I'm kind of adopted into the family. Alex had two brothers,

508
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: so they're like my brother. They called me super Brother, Superstick,

509
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: super Brother, and super Little brother because they're older than

510
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: me a few years. And then his mother, I'm like,

511
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: that's also like an extra mother to me. And I'm

512
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 2: like a part of Alex as we were like spiritual brothers.

513
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 2: So so we lost him in twenty twelve, August sixth

514
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: so so, and he was very cautious and apologist and

515
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: smart and marine bologists the teachers, so it can happen

516
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: to even the best, bast of the best. Yeah, he

517
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 2: actually went to retrieve a finn a lady had lost.

518
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: He was also a scuba diver instructure, and he was like, yeah,

519
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 2: just go out and get it. And that's the number

520
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 2: one rule, never dive alone. And whether it was the

521
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 2: current or too many repetitive dives, or he was exhausted

522
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 2: from a long day, we don't know. They didn't find

523
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: him until the next day that they did recover the body.

524
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 2: So we had a memorial here in twenty twenty two

525
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: and threw pellets in the water and went down and

526
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: scuba divories and freed iris down and let these pellets

527
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: go from roset pellets and they were floating in the

528
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: cataline collars so yellow and red and white and discovering

529
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: the water. And yeah, I can get all emotional, but

530
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: it was like a kind of Gray's day in Spain,

531
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 2: northern Spain. And for that hour and a half when

532
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 2: the water he drowned near a rock and the sky

533
00:27:54,800 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 2: just opened. Yeah, crazy, all gray and dark and like

534
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: kind of like like like a little bit uneasy energy

535
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: in that hole just opened and we had light in

536
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: the sun just for an hour and a half. When

537
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: we sailed back and it started raining. Beautiful, crazy somebody crazy,

538
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: somebody was and he was really spiritual and like angelic

539
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: energy already on, you know, when he lived this life.

540
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: So so he went to the next. So I have

541
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: him with him in my heart and a lot of

542
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: stuff I do. So we trained and then what.

543
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: Happened met him when you started?

544
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 2: No, we became good best friends. So you so we

545
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: trained together in Spain. How did you find where? No? Really? Yeah,

546
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: because they had a great diving club. So I played

547
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: underwater hockey, and that's how I got into the national team,

548
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: and we played in ninety nine in the Europe and Germany.

549
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: Already on the on the edge of this whole world.

550
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: Well, I had already played on the water rugby in

551
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: the national team for many years, so it was an

552
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: easy fit to go into underwater hockey. And then so

553
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: so I picked up this magazine. That's step number one.

554
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: I grew up in Florida maybe and all the swimming,

555
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: but then the set second thing was that I played

556
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: on the water rugby and I was getting better and better.

557
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 2: I went to the national championship. So I was on

558
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: the what we call the elite series for many, many years.

559
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: I think eleven eleven years or so, but four or

560
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: five years I played on the national team. But I

561
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: was not so big, and I was fast and strong

562
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: and explosive, and I could hold my breath. But you know,

563
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: you're still there's a limit to it because you have

564
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: so high levels of co two Oh my god, and

565
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: that's what's driving your breathing reflex. So you know, even

566
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: though you think you're superman, you got to get up

567
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: and breathe. So but I was not like the body.

568
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: I was not so big. There were like some huge guys,

569
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: and so I had a trainer who was not a

570
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: brilliant trainer, but he was okay. He was a nice guy. So,

571
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: but he was not like a super talented train He

572
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: was a national coach. It's also often in these small sports.

573
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: It's just kind of the guy who picks it. He

574
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: does it like he's the He is yeah, yeah, like

575
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 2: I love this. Let's build the way with Tony. Nice guy.

576
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: But he told me in two thousand and three, because

577
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: we had the in two thousand and two we had

578
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: the World Championship. We had the Nordic Championship two thousand

579
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: and two and I went to norwayen. It was really

580
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: interesting representing Denmark. Wow, all these big guys. And then

581
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: in two thousand and three we had the World Championship

582
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: in Denmark and underwater rugby near my hometown. Wow. I

583
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: was like, wow, imagine if I could represent Denmark and

584
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: this could be and maybe I could select it. Maybe

585
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: not I played on the national team, but we also

586
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: have reserved. Maybe I was not picked as the first draft. Right.

587
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: And he said to me, stee because I had already

588
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: started training them in yoga, breathing, underwater swimming, the national

589
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: team swimmers that were much bigger and stronger than me.

590
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: But they started listening already then, and he said, you know, see,

591
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,479
Speaker 2: you had this special gift. You're a You're an okay player.

592
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: You know you're a good player, but you're not great,

593
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: and you don't have the body for it. You're not

594
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 2: big enough, you're not explosive enough, and you know these

595
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: are like two hundred and fifty pounds, like like just

596
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: true vikings, true true, You're like just the next a

597
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: notch below.

598
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the way I feel about the guys that

599
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: sealed Team six, Like I'm just a knock below.

600
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: Right, you know. And he's said, you know you have

601
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: this special gifts to you should give it your best everything,

602
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: give it all your attention, because you're kind of riding

603
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: two horses. And I was because I started free diving

604
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: in ninety eight ninety nine in like the breath Old

605
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: training in Spain. And what also happened in Spain was

606
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: at that time, since I was at the at the study,

607
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: you know, I was studying biology and human physiology and anatomy.

608
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: We also started doing a lot of tests. So I

609
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: had my heart scan, I did a seven minute breath

610
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: hold in an MR scan. It would draw b loot

611
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: samples at the same time, because it wasn't so strict

612
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: at that time. Yeah, we were like just little guinea pigs.

613
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: And I continued then when I came back home to

614
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: Denmark and finished my PhD in medicine, so at that time,

615
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: it wasn't like a big deal with waivers and all

616
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: that stuff. You just went into the lab called the

617
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: professor or your friends, and you started measuring stuff, right, yes,

618
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: kind of like biohacking today. The way the way science

619
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: should be, the original way of being the guinea pigs.

620
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: So so you know, then I trained, and I got

621
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: selected for the day national team in a few years before.

622
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: I had been selected for the national team in two

623
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: thousand for the first World Cup in free diving in Nice,

624
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: and I got selected and I was great, and then

625
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: I started setting Danish records and then some naughtic records

626
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: fifty six meters I remember in a lakeland in a quarry,

627
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: dog and cold and all.

628
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: But that is actually that was your question. The first

629
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: like record you went for was in that quarry.

630
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it was. It was different records, and not

631
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: to make it too complex and stuff, but I did

632
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: Danish records. So now you ask me, so how does

633
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: it become natural? You know, I saw this magazine in

634
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: the year of ninety eight. Then I trained ninety nine,

635
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: Then in two thousand I got selected. Then two thousand

636
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: and one and two I was still playing underwater rugby,

637
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: so I was in superb shape, you know, and I

638
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: was thirty years old. Yeah right, I'm born in seventy three,

639
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: so peak peak, you know, aged, peak body, everything, really

640
00:32:54,480 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: well trained in great cadio and very interested. Then point

641
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: in breath work and and yoga, and I went to

642
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: India and I found a teacher, or rather a master

643
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: found me in Spain from Argentina, like an Argentinian breath

644
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: master yoga master, and he initiated me and I got

645
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: my my mantra and I got my special secret like initiation.

646
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: So by random chances, I connected all this. And then

647
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,479
Speaker 2: in two thousand and three, I kind of gave up

648
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: on the dream of joining the national team. And based

649
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: on what your off you, so I went all in

650
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: on the free diving because it's difficult to do both

651
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 2: three diving and underwater rugby, because underwater rugby is the

652
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: best training. It's it's it's it's been chosen like the

653
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: most crazy mad sport several times in a row, like

654
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: the most extreme of all extream sports. And it's fun

655
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: and it's wild, but of course it's so high. It's

656
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: so high energy and adrenaline and high tempo that it

657
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: does not fit very well into the stillness and the

658
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: it's a free diving, so it's a great trainer and

659
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: it's a great precursor, but to do it simultaneously it's

660
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: not work.

661
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: It's not it's a different consciousness that you're opposite.

662
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: And so for the training and preparation perfect. So I

663
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: stopped that, I skipped the team, and the next year,

664
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: within six months, I beat three world records. Whoaoa, whoa whoa.

665
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 2: So in less than a year. Well, I had prepared

666
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 2: from two thousand and two thousand and one and two okay,

667
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 2: and I had an attempt that equal the world record

668
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: that was then not recognized, and that pissed me off.

669
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 2: It should have been. I took blood samples and urine

670
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: samples and everything because I know doctors and stuff, but

671
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: it wasn't recognized, and it pissed me off. So then

672
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: you know, you go to work. And then I trained

673
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: even harder for that one year from two thousand and

674
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: two to three, and it's that specific record. Well for well,

675
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: for there were three records. One was swimming in a pool.

676
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: That was my first world record. So it's always like

677
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: your first love, right, I'm a swimmer naturally, so breast,

678
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: oak and medley, which is the four disciplines, mixed and butterfly.

679
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: Those were my disciplines. But I was strongest in breaststroke.

680
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: That's like my body.

681
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: Type or your breaststroke, like watching your videos, it's like

682
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: it's it's absolute poetry.

683
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 2: I don't know those things.

684
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: Your your just your body cemetery, your hydrodynamic.

685
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: Like the way you stretch out. Thank you. I mean

686
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: it's so like I was a tank and water. You're

687
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: very kind, you're very beautiful. But I love it, you know,

688
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: and for me it has to be like a ballet.

689
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: You have to present, you have to you know, show

690
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: the grace and and and that you truly love it,

691
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: and you know, it was just a natural discipline for me.

692
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: So I chose the record for longest swimm in a

693
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: pool because in Denmark were also we are surrounded by water,

694
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 2: but it's cold and quite shallow, so we do a

695
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: lot of pool training. So I went for the discipline

696
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: of the longest swim and I beat the world record

697
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: by yeah, by like a length, it doesn't matter how much.

698
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 2: And then a few months after I was the first

699
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: to pass two hundred feet in in depth. I did

700
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: that in Venezuela in in National Park there in fins Caribbeans,

701
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: no fins, So instead of swimming in a pool, I

702
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: went deep, no fins. So it was the first to

703
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: break the two hundred feet barrier sixty one in the

704
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: metric system. And what did you have a suit on?

705
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 2: I had a wetsuit, but I didn't have to. I

706
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: could have gone without and I trained also without it sometimes,

707
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: so okay, yeah, but just like you sit there, I'm

708
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 2: so like the wet.

709
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: Suit isn't a piece of the component, Like there isn't

710
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: a no.

711
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: It depends on the temperature. And if it's in a

712
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 2: salt or freshwater lake or cold or whatever, you're you're

713
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: you're you prefer There are also people that put the

714
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 2: wet suit on the pool because then they can put

715
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: more weight on because they have boining suits, right, and

716
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 2: they can and when they have more weight on, they

717
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: have more momentum in the glide. But now we're really

718
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: down geeking and nerding. But the Navy seals that train

719
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: them so they can optimize their movement and their glide

720
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: and stealth and all that. So but anyway, ways, it's

721
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 2: it's too many.

722
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: Details, and what people love to hear are the details.

723
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 2: But then I said, those three records, and I was

724
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: also the first the same year to break two hundred meters,

725
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,959
Speaker 2: which is another like we like these numbers, right, yeah,

726
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: for so in whole.

727
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: Metrics, right, in all performance, it's magic, yes, album so,

728
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: but it's it. But that's the component I think of

729
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: that competitive spirit. It's not necessarily I'm competing against this

730
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: other person, although that's in there. And if you can,

731
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: I love if you could, we could end with the

732
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: story of what you do.

733
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: You did this past week with your.

734
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: Friend, and but like that spirit, right, you're competing, You're

735
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: competing against that depth, you're competing against the water, You're

736
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: competing and then mostly competing against yourself.

737
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: But to wrap up on your great question that it's

738
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 2: like twenty minutes gone, like, so, what were the pieces

739
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: of the puzzle? You know, natural background, growing up finding

740
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 2: this magazine, thinking I might be able to be in

741
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: the mix. You know, that's the first thing, you know,

742
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: seeing you can do it visualizes an imagery believing in yourself,

743
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 2: not being cocky but kind of relating to it. Yes,

744
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: And and it was like, ah, that's made made you

745
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: know for me that discipline, that's that's great. And and

746
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: uh and the breastrope, you know, you have to adapt it.

747
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 2: When you dive deep, it's not the same as on

748
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: the surface because the air and pressure, and but you

749
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: adapt it. It's you know, nerdy fun excuse me. And

750
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 2: then then I did some national records and then the

751
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 2: Nordic record, and then comes the point then you are like, well,

752
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: maybe I should go for a world record, right, And

753
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: that is where you start to segregate or take the

754
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: next step, both mentally the way you train, the way

755
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: you approach things, and the way you stack things in

756
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: your training and get more and more in but maybe

757
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: in a smarter way you often will I did, and

758
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: what most people with success to you reach out for

759
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: the best people in the field, right. So I reached

760
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: out for a guy that I knew from the underwater

761
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: rugby team who was the goalkeeper and he's like a

762
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: phenomenal athlete. We're still great friends this day, Bo Jacobs,

763
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: and he's been like the best trainer of Denmark. Like

764
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: I don't even know ten times swimming, but he was

765
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: a four times world champion in finn swimming. Like this

766
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 2: dolphin swimming, extremely fit, you know, like six page four

767
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: you know, and just strong legs and just a machine.

768
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 2: His sister who was born same year as I was,

769
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: and I swam with her competitively when we were younger.

770
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: She's still to this day the most winning swimmer of

771
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 2: all times of Denmark Meta Jacobs, and so people in

772
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: swimming will know he's kind of an icon in swimming.

773
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: She's been in four Olympics or maybe five, one of

774
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: the few athletes to be in more than I think

775
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: Torahs are the only ones that ever did five. R Yeah,

776
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: well she did four or five or maybe she was

777
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: going to the fifth. But anyways, it's quite remarkable. One

778
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 2: is incredible. So yeah, it's career is a long career.

779
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: So anyways, I trained with Bo and I trained with

780
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: another guy called Alex Denmark. Uh. Funnily enough, his name

781
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: is the same as Denmark. It's not like a joke

782
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: or some name he took. Hey, that is his real surname.

783
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: So he was a junior world champion as well in

784
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: his finn swimming. So I look for the best people

785
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: to help me and train me and and and teach

786
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 2: me the styles and techniques. Where do you get these

787
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 2: mono fins from Russia, from you know, Novo Si Beer's

788
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: glag in the middle of nowhere. I guess it's like

789
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: you guys like sourcing material and everywhere the weapons, and

790
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: is like you got to get the best from this, this,

791
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: that that, So you really go nerdy and all that,

792
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: and then I think this this next evolution in your mind,

793
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: You're like, okay, I'll go for the world record. And

794
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 2: then at that point it is not a competition against

795
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: the other athletes, and that is the fun part. It

796
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: is really well, it's it's it's like you said, it's

797
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: it's it's a it's a dance with nature or with

798
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: your physiology or mind. But it's a competition again and yourself.

799
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: It's like your shadow, right, and you always want to

800
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 2: become better, and you always, you know, find out how

801
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: it can adjust things and fine tune things. And that

802
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 2: is the kind of the same nerdy passion I have

803
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 2: for those reptiles. You know, you look at them, what

804
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 2: do they do? What is the outcome? How do they

805
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: change strategy or color or like what about the you know,

806
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 2: temperature around the eggs and what does that mean for

807
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: the the young ones and the survival and the like.

808
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 2: It's like there's no end to how fun it is

809
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 2: in these things. And when it's psychology and big goals

810
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: or your personal dreams and maybe team dreams if you're

811
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 2: you know, having people around you, and then technique and

812
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 2: understanding physiology, biology, neurophysiology, anatomy, and then working with the

813
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 2: best scientists as well. So I would do different breathing

814
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: exercises and different drills, and then we would measure the

815
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: outcome on the blood, on the brain, on the lungs

816
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: on this. I love it took all that stuff injected.

817
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: Let's just say one thing, just because you're in this world,

818
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,479
Speaker 2: and I guess people are quite interested in extreme things.

819
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 2: You know here as well, scientists injected radioactive isotopes into

820
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 2: my bloodstream right to follow it and trace it into

821
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 2: my brain when I was doing seven minute plus breath

822
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: holes in a scanner and they would have all these

823
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: measurements at the same time and see how the oxygen

824
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 2: was consumed and where and where at which rate in

825
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: the brain. Oh my god, that's cool. So now you

826
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: just totally really Frankenstein, talk the physiology of what you did.

827
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: Let's talk about what makes the body capable Your your

828
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: deepest you ever went was two hundred meters two hundred feet. Wait,

829
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: deeper than that, but that was the honestest that. There

830
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,959
Speaker 2: are many different disciplines, so I can explain it quickly.

831
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: You either hold your breath for a long time. It's

832
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: called static because you're a static you're not moving. And

833
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: we can also go back to that. But that's where

834
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: I was in the two Yeah, but I was the

835
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: first person on this planet to pass the twenty minute mode.

836
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: And again we have these and I think you know,

837
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: whether it's feed or a metrics system. As humans, we're

838
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: kind of done more. We're kind of I don't know.

839
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: It's like with money, you want to make a million dollars,

840
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 2: why not nine hundred and fifty eight thousand. Isn't that enough?

841
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 2: Like I buy a car, No, it has to be

842
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: a million. And we have the same you know numbers

843
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, Well don't they represent I.

844
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: Mean it's just like, well I go through, I go

845
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: through you know, three years, four years of training, and

846
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: I've done all the training to be a seal, but

847
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: I'm not a seal until I get my tried in

848
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: right or you do all this training, you do the dogs,

849
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: but You're not a world champion until you're a world champion, right,

850
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: and so these are these benchmarks are required I think

851
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: as a as a core motivator.

852
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. I'm like a little bit like flippant

853
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: about it, are joking about it. But it is kind

854
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: of silly that we have these kods completely so we

855
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: see this and it can be good a good driver,

856
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: but also dangerous, you know, for reasons. It's like. But

857
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: but anyways, so so it changed a little bit from

858
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 2: doing normal records, I would say, so static is the

859
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 2: breath holding. When I say the twenty minutes I did

860
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: twenty minutes ten second as the first human on this

861
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: planet and in an official attempt that was a world

862
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: record and recognized by Guinness. And everything I did in

863
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 2: a shark tank. You can see this video is available

864
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 2: on YouTube on YouTube everything on the pathology channel there.

865
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: But but I did it in a shark tank because

866
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: as you can tell, you know, despite being fifty plus,

867
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: I'm very childish still, and I don't mind. I'm very

868
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: curious and very you know, open minded, and I knew

869
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: that it's damn boring to watch someone hold their breath

870
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 2: for twenty minutes, like there's no cut it sharks. Yeah,

871
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: that's the entertainer. Are they gonna get him? Because they

872
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: were down in this tank like they have like tubes

873
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: and you can go under like in these aquariums and like,

874
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: and I was like, great, these kids can watch me,

875
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: you know. And it was a phenomenal success for that

876
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 2: aquarium and they love this event. So I did twenty

877
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 2: minutes ten seconds in twenty ten to make it memorable

878
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 2: and again numbers and to make it geeky, but also

879
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: to make it like my oddwork. So it was not

880
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: twenty minutes and eleven seconds. It was not twenty minutes

881
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: at nine I programmed myself and I was at the

882
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: edge there it was like the end of it.

883
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: Well, you saw your body kind of reacting.

884
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: So I did it as twenty ten, like the number,

885
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 2: to make it easy for the journalists to remember, and

886
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 2: it was April first, to make it like unbelievable, like yeah,

887
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: of course a guy held his breath for twenty minutes

888
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: and a shock tank. Sure, But then I did yeah,

889
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 2: and that's that's like, dude, I love that ass.

890
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 1: So have a playfulness in it as well too.

891
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 2: Well that's when I started. Before it was more World records,

892
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 2: and so static is the breath holding. But it's important

893
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: to explain to people this is a Guinness World record

894
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: where you pre oxygen eate. Okay, so you are allowed

895
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: to breathe oxygen, pure oxygen. Everybody has seen them at

896
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: the swimming pool. You have this orange tank and like

897
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 2: a plastic thing and if people need it, they can

898
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: put pure oxygen. Or you see it at hospitals with

899
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: older people or patients. Right, if you really need to breathe,

900
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 2: get a lot of area and some oxygen, especially then

901
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: you put on this mask and flush, you know, extra oxygen.

902
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: We have only twenty one percent oxygen in the air

903
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 2: around US twenty point nine to be exact.

904
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: So what is the breathing of the oxygen?

905
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so saturates your lungs, It saturates your blood, your

906
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: insistitial fluids to be even more nerdy, which just means

907
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: the water in your body and between your cells. So

908
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 2: you have this liquid in your body. People know we're

909
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: mostly made of water, right, like almost seventy So we

910
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 2: have all this fluid and you can have more oxygen

911
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: in that because oxygen dissolves in liquid. So it's just

912
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 2: it's not the same as people at home trying to

913
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: hold the breath of two three minutes. That's different. But

914
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: then the static, then you have dynamic, which is moving

915
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: and in the swimming pool. And then you have the

916
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: depth disciplines, and that various disciplines like pulling down the

917
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: lines called free immersion, or going on the slit called

918
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 2: no limits. And you have a variable weight where you

919
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 2: go in the slit, but you have to swim up.

920
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 2: That's why it's called variable. So it's varied. You go down,

921
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: but you come up yourself. And then I think the

922
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 2: disciplines that I started on when I beat the vim

923
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: Huffrek back in twenty ten. And by the way, I got.

924
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: An opportunity to interview whim back when I did a

925
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: podcast with Marcus Sotrell called The Team Never Quit and

926
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 1: what a character first and off. But he has the

927
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 1: same vibrancy about nature that you do. And I really

928
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: think and hopefully we'll move in as we talk about

929
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 1: breathology is the beauty that breathing gives us, the power

930
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: of it and the strength. And he was the first

931
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: person I had ever met like we had talked about breathing.

932
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: We had a free diving champion come in and work

933
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: with us. When I was first on the teams, and

934
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: so it was like but it was more like a

935
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: functional thing. But he was the first one to really encapsulate, Hey,

936
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: this is a therapy, this is this is something, this

937
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: is the essence of our existence. And I was like,

938
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: he's talking like you know, and he's kind of a

939
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: wild guy.

940
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 2: Made it very like accessible and with the type and

941
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 2: people started taking cold showers. And but again being a

942
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: swimmer and breaststroke I speaking of again random things, you know,

943
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 2: I saw on YouTube. Vim Huff was absolutely not known

944
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: in two thousand at all. Big Bear looks like a troll,

945
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 2: big shorts like this a wild man, you know. And

946
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 2: I just saw that clip on YouTube, and mind you,

947
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: this is twenty ten. I don't even know when YouTube came.

948
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: It was just a few years before. And so I

949
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: saw this random clip and I'm like, again, ah, I

950
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 2: can probably beat that, very coud love it because I'm

951
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: a breaststroke swimmer. It's my discipline. I love holding my breath.

952
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: Like I mentioned, I didn't get too much into it.

953
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: But as a child, we had all these games, right,

954
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 2: and then we had the same in swimming where we

955
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 2: have shago and goldfish, so there's one goldfish and the

956
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 2: others of sharks, and then you have to swim from

957
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: one end to the other and the sharks have to

958
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 2: catch you. And I was often the little goldfish, so

959
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 2: everybody else got caught. But the last guy standing or

960
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: woman standing is a goldfish, so I was often the

961
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 2: last one and everybody, you know, goldfish turns to a

962
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 2: shock when they catch you. That was my favorite game.

963
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: We played it once a year at Christmas because it

964
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: was pretty serious training right at the at the lead series,

965
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: like the competitive you know, when I did swimming, it

966
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 2: was not just like fun and games. But at Christmas

967
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 2: we could play this, so all that stuck with me.

968
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 2: And underwater rugby was just an extension of this game,

969
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 2: right just with the ball and ball and balls. I

970
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 2: would say, you know, like a lot of muscle. But

971
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 2: it was the same game chasing, holding your breath, being tactical, sneaky, fun,

972
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 2: kind of theatrical. It was just the same. So I

973
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 2: just had this snack of holding my breath and I

974
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 2: had an ability to relax, and that is what I

975
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: today called relax on demand. I kind of coined this concept,

976
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: but so I saw this record in twenty ten, so

977
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 2: maybe even more interestingly to talk about the mental skills.

978
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: On sixth of March, two days before my birthday, I

979
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: did the Guineas World record of the longest dive under eyes. Randomly,

980
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 2: we had an ice winter in Denmark. We don't have

981
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 2: that always. Finland and Sweden have more ice. It's colder

982
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 2: closer to Siberia North Pole. Right, Denmark is more like Germany, Holland.

983
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 2: It's not so cold. It's wet and it's dark, but

984
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: it's not like super cold. It's more like New York. Right,

985
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: It's not snowy, snowy, snowy, it's more wet and cold.

986
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 2: So but in this ice winter twenty ten, we had

987
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 2: three months of sub zero so I was like, this

988
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,479
Speaker 2: is brilliant. I can train and I'd seen this video

989
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 2: on YouTube, and I can train under ice and have

990
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: the security and divers and train, and I did. In Scandinavia,

991
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 2: we do a lot of like skinny dipping or going

992
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 2: the eyes and make a hole and jump in and

993
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: then we go in the sauna. It's very famous from

994
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: Finland Finish sauna. So Russia while jumping in the river

995
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: is going in the sauna, rolling in the snow, so

996
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 2: blood vessels dilate in the warm sauna. Then you go

997
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 2: in the cold water. So it's a phenomenal cardiovascular training.

998
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: That's why people are never sick. The immune system gets boosted.

999
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: And that was all this bim Huff talked about, this

1000
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 2: immune system and the eyes, and that's why also a

1001
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 2: lot of older people, like senior citizens, it's it's a

1002
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: super cure for them or at least to stay fit

1003
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 2: to go in the water, because the cardiovascular system is

1004
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 2: what declines with age like many others bone density and muscle,

1005
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: muscle strength and so forth, it declines and use it

1006
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 2: or lose it. Right, So water and cold water especially

1007
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 2: give you this kind of extra superpower. And that's what

1008
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: bim Huff was so good at getting out to the world.

1009
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 2: But then I beat that record and it was six

1010
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 2: of March, and I used that record, and I'm serious

1011
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: about this. I used it as a mental tool to

1012
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 2: see how tough I could get in the cold water,

1013
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 2: swimming longer and longer distances with stand the pain when

1014
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 2: the muscle fatigue sets in the diaphragm's pumping and punishing

1015
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 2: you and like screaming for air like breathe. You're dying.

1016
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: You need to breathe now and overrule that and stay

1017
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 2: calm under pressure. And you know, lactic acid going through

1018
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 2: the roofs, dropping through the floor, and just why do

1019
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: go lackic acid explode and why does your pH bounce collapse? Well,

1020
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 2: because you can't breathe. You're not breathing, but you're working.

1021
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 2: So the mitochondria, your metabolism is just an overdrive. But

1022
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 2: you can't breathe out and you can exchange the air

1023
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 2: so you don't get the CO two out on fresh

1024
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: oxygen in. And when you don't have oxygen, you go

1025
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 2: past VO two max and you start creating lactic acid

1026
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: as a last reserve of energy. It doesn't last long,

1027
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: but it gives you a little extra push. So you

1028
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 2: have to be very tolerant of lactic acid. And the

1029
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 2: more you train it, the more you can clear it.

1030
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 2: So the clearance rate becomes better, your organs become uptimized,

1031
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 2: and then we move in yoga and all this and that,

1032
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: and well, on April first, I did that that twenty

1033
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: minute ten guineess world record, but six of March, which

1034
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 2: was like you know, a month before or three weeks

1035
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: before I did that ice record, and it really was

1036
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: a training to become mentally strong enough to not breathe

1037
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 2: for twenty minutes. So I used that cold water and

1038
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 2: that type of training and that unpleasantness to I don't

1039
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 2: care about sharks. That was like a gimmick. They were big,

1040
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 2: but yeah, they don't need humans. They eat fish, that's right.

1041
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: But so that wasn't like to be a superman of

1042
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 2: being like, oh I'm cool, not at all. It was

1043
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 2: more for the kids, you know, for the show and

1044
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 2: for that aquarum to promote their aquarium and stuff like that.

1045
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 2: But it was a great training for me mentally to be,

1046
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 2: you know, strengthening my mind and becoming tough you can say,

1047
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: flexible and kind to yourself, but still during tough not

1048
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 2: to breathe for twenty minutes, because it is a provocation,

1049
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: you know, to kind of explain to yourself. I think

1050
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 2: I can be the first out of seven billion people

1051
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: on this planet not to breathe for more than twenty minutes.

1052
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 2: It is a long time not to have movement in

1053
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 2: your body.

1054
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: Well, and that's the other thing, like, I mean, what

1055
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: I love is when you really discuss that parasympathetic and

1056
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: sympathetic nervous system. So in that circumstance, you're literally almost

1057
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 1: putting yourself into paralysis, correct, right, And then your body

1058
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: you're slowing your heart rate down as slow as you

1059
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: can get, so the transfer of oxygen into hemoglobin is

1060
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 1: at the lowest rate it could be, and you're almost

1061
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: in a catatonic state.

1062
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: I would imagine that's what I could meditation underwater. I

1063
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 2: caught that many years ago, and it is. You can

1064
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: say catatonic. You're like, you're shutting everything down. Yeah, your digestion.

1065
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: Of course, you don't eat before you have fasting before.

1066
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 2: You don't want blood in your guts. You don't want

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00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 2: to digest food when you're trying to use that oxygen

1068
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: to keep your brain alive and stay you know, conscious.

1069
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 2: How long did you have fast for? Well, it's up

1070
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 2: to you, but I guess fasted from the day before.

1071
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 2: But you change your diet if you go more, and

1072
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 2: you know, it's a long story to diet. That's a

1073
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 2: whole nother podcast. But then we can learn about that.

1074
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: I love you know when I help coach athletes and stuff.

1075
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: But there are lots of things you can do, like

1076
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 2: spinach or greens or broccoli, and things that naturally have

1077
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 2: a lot of nitrogen on precursors for nitrogen oxide on nitrigoxide,

1078
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 2: as you say in the US n O. That is

1079
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 2: that is produced in your mucous member and your nose,

1080
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 2: and your nose breathing you inhale it naturally into your lungs,

1081
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 2: and they are vasodilators. It's not even like fifteen years

1082
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 2: ago the Nobel Price was given to three researchers Nobel

1083
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 2: Price of the discovery of the first time they found

1084
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 2: that a gas molecule could act as a signaling, you know,

1085
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: between different things in your body. So you produce it somewhere,

1086
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 2: but it has a signaling effect and and it's a vasodilator,

1087
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 2: so it relaxes the smooth muscle, so it opens the

1088
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 2: blood vessels in the alvio line the lungs and you

1089
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 2: take up more oxygen. Wow. And on top of that

1090
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 2: it's anti viral, anti fungal, and antibacterial. The nitrogen the

1091
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 2: nitrogen oxide. It like a poison. But of course you

1092
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 2: produce it because nature is magical, uh and divine. It

1093
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 2: produces it at the right level of toxicity or the

1094
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 2: right level of concentration that can kill these germs and

1095
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 2: things but doesn't harm you. So mouth breathing is absolutely

1096
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 2: a NOGO for for many other reasons. Also now when

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00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 2: we talk about prevention and staying healthy and performing at

1098
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 2: the highest level, all right, so you need foods that

1099
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 2: help you with those things as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So as you are moving forward your you're you're

1101
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: just like knocking these things down. Oh, I'm going to

1102
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: try that. That looks I'm gonna try. It's a it's

1103
00:56:54,840 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: an intuitive, intuitive, direct motivation to pursue these things, getting

1104
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,720
Speaker 1: better and better at training.

1105
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 2: And everything becomes a project, right, you go on a mission, right,

1106
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 2: it's always a new project, like who can I find,

1107
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 2: Who can I reach out to, can help me with that?

1108
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 2: Which diet should I shift? What should I try? And

1109
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 2: the great thing about free diving is it's so like

1110
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 2: the payoff is so it's so direct, like you just

1111
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 2: measure two things distance or seconds, nothing else. And that

1112
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 2: is maybe one of the biggest breakthroughs or biggest insights

1113
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 2: I've had of doing this training. And then my great

1114
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 2: interest in yoga and timeless wisdom you can say meditation

1115
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 2: or you know, oriental wisdom is that you have this

1116
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 2: connection with breathing, and breathing is life, you know. It

1117
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,959
Speaker 2: takes in the air and then the oxygen produces energy

1118
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 2: in the mitochondria and the red blood cells or the

1119
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 2: hemoglobin carries those four little oxygen molecules like a car,

1120
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 2: you know, like a little vehicle. There are four points

1121
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 2: of connection with the oxygen molecules and it's distributed to

1122
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 2: every single cell. Thirty trillion cells. Everyone of them needs

1123
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: oxygen to produce energy. In the mitochondria, they're just little

1124
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 2: energy factories like batteries. They're called mitochondria mitochondria on in singular,

1125
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 2: but mitochondria a little energy machine, and the same you

1126
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 2: see in plants. In the green plants, it's just a

1127
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 2: photosynthesis is the same. It's just running a little bit differently.

1128
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 2: But the sunshines and they have water. But then they

1129
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 2: use our oxygen, but they use our CO two compond

1130
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 2: oxide and they produce oxygen. Yeah, so it's called a

1131
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 2: symbiotic relationship. Why we need plants and feel good in

1132
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 2: nature and especially in the forest.

1133
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: Right.

1134
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 2: So, but anyways, then you you kind of nerd into

1135
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 2: all that and then what I found, which is is.

1136
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you talk about the problem set like

1137
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: it's a it's a problem, it's a mission that you

1138
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: come together and find the solutions.

1139
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 2: By H. Colt, Well, I just challenge. I just challenge,

1140
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: not a problem. I don't think I said the problem

1141
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 2: a challenge. Yeah, problems.

1142
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: I just interviewed this guy that set the new record

1143
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: for the Appalachian Trail unassisted one direction. He did it

1144
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: in forty five days, eight hours, in like twelve minutes,

1145
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: beat the one by few hours, right, and he it

1146
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: was that's the way he described it, like each section

1147
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: was a new problem, each training part was a problem,

1148
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: his diet, what he was going to do, you know.

1149
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 2: And I just really like I hear that you break

1150
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 2: it down then it becomes doable. But anyways, with all

1151
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 2: these insights, I was like, okay, with the free diving

1152
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 2: and with the with the relaxation techniques and slowing down

1153
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 2: the hard and yeah, I called meditation underwater. But it's

1154
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 2: really just like fine tuning. It's like a radio station

1155
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 2: in our brain. We have different brain frequencies. We have

1156
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 2: our thoughts, but they're called like alp adults and Gama beta.

1157
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 2: There are different frequencies exactly like same as radio it's

1158
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 2: a frequency, it's a vibration. A frequency is just a hurts.

1159
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 2: And then you can learn to tune into these different

1160
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 2: radio stations. And I call meditation underwater because I go

1161
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 2: into this flow state and we can talk much more

1162
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 2: about I mean highly to send me highlight. Was so

1163
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 2: honored to get to know him, the father of modern psychology,

1164
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 2: who also founded positive psychology with Martin Seligman and a

1165
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 2: few others. But he coined the term flow, and he

1166
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 2: looked at athletes and artists that go into this nerdy

1167
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 2: sona flow and don't eat for days and don't know

1168
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: if it's nither or day because they're so and trends

1169
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 2: and just absorbed into that. So you become the you

1170
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 2: merge with the action. So what you do, you become

1171
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 2: what you do. And that's a beautiful place to be

1172
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 2: because it's perfect and there is no time. So one

1173
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 2: of the greatest indicators of flow is there's no notion

1174
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 2: of time. Right, like a great conversation that can be flow,

1175
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 2: or you're doing some sport, or you're very focused on

1176
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 2: painting something or getting the right tone or the right.

1177
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: Shade, or the way I always describe it to is

1178
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: that seems like most people who aren't in this level

1179
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: of performances when you're driving and you're just kind of

1180
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: and you feel good and then you just like forget

1181
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: how far you've gone, you pass you get yeah, yeah,

1182
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: that's that seems to be the most common state for people,

1183
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: right yeah, but for athletes and for performers or whatever

1184
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: it is that I think it's I like to coin

1185
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: a phrase called a focused obsession right where, because that

1186
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: it unlocks the the ultimate attention to the smallest detail

1187
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: that you're creating.

1188
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, And at the same time, that's where you can

1189
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 2: have slow motion like pass and everything passes by and

1190
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 2: like rock climbate, grip and you're just so focused on

1191
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 2: that so there's no yesterday tomorrow. And that is one

1192
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 2: of the greatest things I found with breathing and breath work,

1193
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 2: that it is here and now it's your life force.

1194
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 2: And the way you breathe is the way you feel.

1195
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 2: So it is really the emotional state. And maybe the

1196
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 2: greatest breakthrough I had or like that came from me,

1197
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 2: is like, Okay, with breathing, we have the greatest tools

1198
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 2: to control our mind. Because if the mind was easy

1199
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 2: to control, we had no people with depression. We had

1200
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 2: no suicides, we had no anger, no fear, no war.

1201
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 2: Would just say everything's okay, I'm doing great. But the

1202
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 2: brain or the mind is not a very good thing

1203
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 2: to use or a smart strategy to control your mind.

1204
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 2: Obviously we just look around, right, But that is kind

1205
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 2: of the secret they found in yoga and meditation and

1206
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 2: mindfulness that when you use a special breathing ratio or

1207
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 2: breathing pattern, then that becomes the focus point, the attention point.

1208
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 2: Maybe not at the level we're talking about, yeah, but

1209
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 2: it can be, but it can be right of some

1210
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 2: of the higher levels of meditation, you have one focus

1211
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 2: point but with that same frequency.

1212
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: I remember there was that I don't know if you

1213
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: ever saw that had a beautiful study Northwestern did. It's

1214
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: like one hundred and fifty some monks from Tibet who

1215
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: would get into this altered stage day just in meditation right,

1216
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: put them in temperatures they just about it. It's one

1217
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: of the best studies I've ever read about flow state,

1218
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: and and that for me it was like, oh wow,

1219
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: there is another level, right, there's of how far you

1220
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: can drive your mind because and the thing that like

1221
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: I listened to a couple other your great podcasts you've

1222
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: done in the past. One one of the interviewers talked

1223
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: about fear with you, and fear obviously once you produce

1224
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: those stress hormones and sometimes you don't even choose, it's

1225
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: just gonna happen naturally, that.

1226
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 2: Disrupts all this other stuff.

1227
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: So I love how you're you've integrated Eastern philosophical meditation

1228
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: into these very intense driven, uh ambitious, uh feats of

1229
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 1: of not an intellectual focus, physical focus, and certainly spiritual focus.

1230
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: So can you describe how all those come together?

1231
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think just by the background of biology and

1232
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 2: being curious and looking at nature, it was kind of

1233
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 2: just a natural next step to try to put them

1234
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 2: together with the psychology and the performance. And because I

1235
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 2: was also in the medical field, we could actually get feedback. So,

1236
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 2: like I said before, with free diving, that was one

1237
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 2: of my greatest revelations, Like it's just time or distance.

1238
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 2: So if you screw up something then you'll see in

1239
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 2: the result. You don't hold your breath as long like

1240
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 2: people can try it home on dry land, right, Yeah,

1241
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 2: and if you do something right, you breathe right or

1242
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 2: do the stretching rid your mind is right, like you

1243
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 2: have positive thinking or you're going to a flow state.

1244
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 2: And anyone can do that. Anyone listening to this podcast

1245
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 2: can learn what we're talking about. It's not unattainable, but

1246
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 2: it takes work. But once you get there, it's so

1247
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 2: satisfying and it's so beautiful and it's a wonderful place

1248
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 2: to be, kind of this absorbed place of playfulness. Right,

1249
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 2: and yeah, to send me how the man I was

1250
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 2: lucky to meet and he loved the breath holding stuff

1251
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 2: I did. I had him do breath holding with these

1252
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 2: PhD students at gleam On Graduate University in California before

1253
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: he passed. But he has a whole interesting store in himself.

1254
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 2: So people can just look up flow and me highly

1255
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 2: to extend me how a long story for the war.

1256
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 2: He came from Hungary, then went to Italy, then escaped

1257
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 2: to America and became a professor and just was brilliant.

1258
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 2: But he studied flow and happiness. Yes, so it's very

1259
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 2: interesting to you know, appreciate and understand that he also

1260
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 2: looked at happiness and how do you have a happy

1261
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 2: good life? And that came from flow state, from being

1262
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 2: absorbed in your activities. So that was the connection he

1263
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 2: was studying. But anyways, back to your question here, it's

1264
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 2: fun to break down all these things in our lives

1265
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 2: that are like passion or you know, hobby driven. And

1266
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 2: I found out quite early that well, with free diving

1267
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 2: and breath work, it can take you so far in

1268
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 2: your health and your performance you can measure it. And

1269
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 2: so one of the greatest revelations was that. And I

1270
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 2: was lucky enough also to meet John kabat Sin, who

1271
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 2: is like the father of modern mindfulness and mindfulness based

1272
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 2: stress reduction msbr up in New York and his son

1273
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 2: randomly knew me, and he's my age or more or

1274
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 2: less my aide. So I was teaching up in New

1275
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 2: York at the Omega Center and randomly, Sir John Kabatzin,

1276
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 2: I almost guess we could call him. He's a great,

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Speaker 2: you know, famous figure within modern psychology and especially with

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Speaker 2: veterans and using mindfulness for you know, stress release, one

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Speaker 2: of the first to describe that like a psychologist. And

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Speaker 2: he was randomly hosting a seminar there and I was

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Speaker 2: going to teach him the same you know location an

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Speaker 2: hour after. So I went in and I gave him

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Speaker 2: my book Mythology, and I signed it and and his

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01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 2: son then knew me. He said, well, I've seen you

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Speaker 2: on Discovery Channel and National Geographic and you were the

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Speaker 2: first holder breath monitoring minutes and you went on and

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Speaker 2: aline the best pits ever. And I'm with his dad.

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Speaker 2: He's like this superman, this super psychologist, and oh, I'd

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Speaker 2: written about it in my book. And I'd say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I have you here, and you know, never met him.

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Speaker 2: I'd Metgic send me how because I reached out to

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Speaker 2: him during the process of writing the book, but I

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01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 2: didn't reach out to that other guys Kabat Sin. Then

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01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 2: I meet him and his son knows all this stuff

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Speaker 2: about me. I was so flattered and surprised. But anyways,

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Speaker 2: then he said something. He said, because I have a

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Speaker 2: business partner in Denmark who's very much with you know,

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Speaker 2: connection and teams and like how you improve businesses, and

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Speaker 2: I don't know much about that. I'm more with athletes

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Speaker 2: and people. So he's a great partner of a great friend.

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Speaker 2: Beyond is his name. But he's very good with words,

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01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 2: so he would do like mindfulness in meters, like you

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Speaker 2: could measure mindfulness. So that's not very easy to translate.

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Speaker 2: So I told Kebot John kebat Sin that you know,

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Speaker 2: we use meditation because he uses mindfulness. So I called

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Speaker 2: it meditation underwater. But my business partner called it meditation

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01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,479
Speaker 2: mindfulness by measure, Oh wow, because he's like the father

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Speaker 2: of mindfulness, right, So he was like, I've never thought

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Speaker 2: about that in my life. That's brilliant. So you can

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Speaker 2: measure the level of mindfulness just by seconds you hold

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Speaker 2: your breath, all the depth or the distance you go,

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Speaker 2: which is true. Right. It's a very crude, it's a

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Speaker 2: very rough measurement stick, but it's very easy and it

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Speaker 2: never fails. It's always the same time. Like seconds are

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Speaker 2: seconds and meters are feed our feet. And if you

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01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:31,959
Speaker 2: do something right in your strategy, in your mental preparation,

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01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 2: in your diet, in your anything, physical training, stretching, flexibility,

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01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 2: body work, breath work, everything you do, if you do

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Speaker 2: that right, you will improve the seconds you hold your

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01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 2: breath with less effort, and the meters you will go

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Speaker 2: deeper longer. So I think free diving or breath holding.

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Speaker 2: You know, I did a Ted talk many years ago

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Speaker 2: called breath holding is the New Black. We're actually talked

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Speaker 2: about veterans and all the statistics and that we have

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Speaker 2: done a lot of research because we have supported many

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Speaker 2: veterans over the years, more than ten years now. But

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Speaker 2: that's a different story. We can I'm happy to come

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Speaker 2: back to that because that needs more attention always. But

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Speaker 2: it was just interesting to kind of be with this,

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Speaker 2: you know, phenomenal guy who was this expert in psychology

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Speaker 2: and mindfulness and then he had never thought about it

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Speaker 2: from the perspective of holding your breath, and I think

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Speaker 2: to me that was like like just showing me the

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Speaker 2: essence of what free diving can be or breath holding.

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Speaker 2: So when I did this Ted talk, breath holding is

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Speaker 2: the new Black. What I mean is that if you

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Speaker 2: hold your breath. First of all, this is incredibly interesting.

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Speaker 2: You know it's just a pause five seconds, ten seconds,

1339
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 2: and you could see already and feel now with the

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Speaker 2: listeners out there are the viewers, there is this incredible

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01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 2: stillness and this calmness. You can even hear my voice

1342
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 2: is calmer, right, just for five seconds breath hold because

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Speaker 2: you stop whatever's going on, whatever in your head. We

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Speaker 2: called it the monkey mind and yoga, like, oh what

1345
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 2: am I doing tomorrow? Am I going? Am I good enough?

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Speaker 2: Can I do it? What happened yesterday? Why didn't you

1347
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 2: give me that I got cheated? Why this? This is

1348
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 2: that a lot of stuff that doesn't propel you forward,

1349
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 2: and it's noise, and it makes you not go into

1350
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 2: that focused place or that flow state because you have

1351
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 2: too much like going on in the yoga they called

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Speaker 2: it the monkey mind, like a little cheeky monkey, like

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Speaker 2: running up and down the trees doing naughty things.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So with breath holding, so if we say free diving,

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Speaker 2: that's just what I call it in general, But breath

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Speaker 2: holding can also be on land. That's not free diving, right,

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01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 2: but it's kind of training. Free diving is going deep

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Speaker 2: in the water, basically on a pool. But I call

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Speaker 2: all breath holding free diving kind of But if we

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Speaker 2: just say breath holding, then people know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And with breath holding, there is so much untapped potential.

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Speaker 2: Breath work is becoming very fashionable. Now. We had mindfulness,

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Speaker 2: we had meditation, paved the road and I saw this.

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Speaker 2: That's why I wrote the book Mythology fifteen years ago more.

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Speaker 2: But it was and fashionable. Then Viim Huff came along

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Speaker 2: and it got more attention. Cold water exposure. But vim

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Speaker 2: huff is more like hyperventilation, more active. It's not maybe

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Speaker 2: so much too.

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Speaker 1: When I started looking at your stuff, I found it

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Speaker 1: really different than Yeah. It was much more of a

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Speaker 1: his Like you said, there, there's a there's an intensity about.

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Speaker 2: The it's more like a prianiam. It's more like the intense. Also,

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Speaker 2: if you're cold and in eyes, you want to breathe

1375
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 2: fast to get the temperature up on the blood circulating side.

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01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 2: It's a natural way for doing this tumo. It's called

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01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 2: tumo where you sit in the eyes. And I trained

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Speaker 2: in India several times and have two gurus there that

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01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 2: taught me two masses as well. But I just because

1380
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Speaker 2: of my nerdy background and science, I like to dig

1381
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Speaker 2: in with scientific backed explanations and what happened. So, you know,

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Speaker 2: like you explained before, the parasympathetic and sympathetic in case

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Speaker 2: people don't know that, the sympathetic is also what we

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Speaker 2: call fight and flight. So that's the activating thing. That's

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Speaker 2: what's activated during hyperventilation and screaming and running. And that's

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Speaker 2: a good thing in the sense that it pumps adrenaline

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Speaker 2: out and you get you know, readier, you get blood

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Speaker 2: to your muscles and you can run or fight. That's

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Speaker 2: why it's called fight and flight. But it's not a

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01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 2: healthy and good place to be for months and months,

1391
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Speaker 2: and that's why people die from stroke or you know,

1392
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 2: veteran struggle, well, just a lot of things. You know,

1393
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 2: it's on overdrive. So with breath holding, you have a beautiful, free,

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01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 2: always available source of going into the pair sympathetic part

1395
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 2: of course, with normal breathing. Also slow breathing, slow exhale.

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Speaker 2: So if you want the number one tip or the

1397
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 2: first tip of the podcast today, then the best tip

1398
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 2: I have is the key to relaxation is in the exhalation. Again,

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Speaker 2: the noses of breathing. The mouth is for eating, So

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01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 2: always use the nose to get that naturenoxide filled the air.

1401
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 2: Get it up high to the brain. Connect with the brain,

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01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 2: tell your body, tell your mind that you're in control,

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01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 2: you're breathing, you're alive, it's beautiful, you're grateful, everything is wonderful.

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01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 2: And your brain listens and your body knows it. Do

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01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 2: you have that conversation with yourself but also with my heart.

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01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 2: When I hold my breath for twenty minutes, I have

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01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 2: a deep, intimate conversation about my heart, and I don't

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01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 2: command it, but I ask it kindly to beat softer.

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Speaker 2: It's not just the hot rate like the pulse pert

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01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 2: or the electricity. It is a contract almost like if

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01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 2: I should explain it to people, it's almost like a jellyfish.

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01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 2: Everybody a jellyfish, either in the ocean or or on television. Right,

1413
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 2: this kind of soft alien movement that is so like

1414
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 2: almost like a ballerina dancing, you know, floating. You're reelly

1415
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 2: in space like without gravity, right, So I have my

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01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 2: heart chambers go into kind of this soft feeling, and

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Speaker 2: I know when I connect with my heart and feel

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Speaker 2: the softness that my breath hope will be long. So

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Speaker 2: it's also a positive affirmation. Oh now it is soft,

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Speaker 2: so it will be longer. Then it becomes longer than

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01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 2: the hot learns. It's called conditioned response. Conditioned response. Olive

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01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 2: was the first Russian scientists who studied dogs. And he

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01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 2: would ring a bell and he would give them food

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01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,560
Speaker 2: and they would drool, and then he would just not

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01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 2: give them food, but still ring the bell, and they

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01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 2: would still drool, and he would collect how much saliva

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01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 2: came out, and so that it's called a conditioned response

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01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 2: or a response to something that you associate, in this

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Speaker 2: case with food. But then the bell was the sound

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01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,600
Speaker 2: that associated. Now we're going to get food, so I

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01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 2: need to produce aliva, and just talking about it, I

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01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 2: produce aliva just talking about food. Can you talk about

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Speaker 2: how humans can condition a response that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because like you just were talking about it, like

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01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: the act of the conscious engagement with the natural processes

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01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 1: and getting to that what is it that the natural

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01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: symbiotic state where your brain and your heart and your lungs.

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01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 2: You're just connecting what's there, and you revisit and you

1439
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 2: you kind of introduce, you know, this interconnected with yourself

1440
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 2: just at a deeper level or maybe a new a

1441
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 2: new experience. And and again that's why I think breath

1442
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 2: work and especially breath holding, but I'm biased, you know,

1443
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 2: I'm really a fan of this breath holding, but also

1444
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 2: the safety measurement. So again, never hold your breath alone underwater,

1445
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 2: but on dry land, it's fine. Even if you pass out,

1446
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 2: nothing's going to happen. You're gonna wake up. The body

1447
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 2: takes over. If you're in the couch or you know,

1448
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 2: at home in the morning before breakfast, you want to

1449
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 2: push it. Three or four breath holds in a row.

1450
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 2: I have something called the seven Day breath Hold Challenge,

1451
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 2: so people can go and find it's completely free. Yeah.

1452
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 2: Please spend many years and we talk about breathology and

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01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 2: then yeah, well the breath hold Challenge. I didn't want

1454
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 2: to pitch anything. Yeah, no, please please if the hey listen,

1455
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 2: if you it is it inspires you at all.

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01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, go to his channel, consume his material and

1457
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: start doing the work. It's like other than buying your book,

1458
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 1: Like it's all free, right, Yeah, we have.

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Speaker 2: Freedom paid program. Of course, we also have an instructive

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01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 2: program where people from all around the world becoming breath

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01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 2: work or pathology instructors, but we only do it once

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Speaker 2: a year to kind of keep that cohort for sure

1463
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 2: my energy and focus and other things I do. But anyways,

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Speaker 2: the seven Day Breathold Challenges is kind of the ultimate

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01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 2: way that we have designed a program where you, in

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Speaker 2: seven days, we hope can double your breathles And I

1467
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 2: think it's phenomenal if you can do anything, whether you

1468
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 2: double your revenue or your push ups or your bench

1469
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 2: press or speed of running or there are many things

1470
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,639
Speaker 2: we cannot physically double in a week, right, but mentally

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Speaker 2: we can double or triple or gadrouple. We can take

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Speaker 2: tiger leap, you know, we can take the quantum leap.

1473
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 2: And so for me, besides of getting to know your

1474
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 2: body and your heart and connecting with your heart and

1475
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 2: having this in a dialogue and getting to know how

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01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 2: to tune those treaquencies in the radio, so go into

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01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 2: adults Gama beta, into those meditation frequencies where you're just

1478
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 2: there's no time restrained and you're just kind of floating

1479
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 2: and doing what you love. To that element as well

1480
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 2: is knowing your body better, so you can go into

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Speaker 2: this parasympathetic part, which is the rest and digest. So

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Speaker 2: that is where you literally digest food, experiences, thoughts, impressions

1483
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 2: throughout the day. That will give you a better night's sleep.

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Speaker 2: It will give you a deeper rem sleep. It will

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01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 2: talking about conditioning and good habits. It will really take

1486
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 2: something you do every day anyways, but maybe have bad

1487
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 2: habits before bed time or too much on the you know,

1488
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,719
Speaker 2: blue light and devices and just keeping your brain busy,

1489
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 2: eating too close to going to bed and being too

1490
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 2: active or agitator or reading bad news that's not going

1491
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 2: to help you for the night sleep. You can wait

1492
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 2: till the next day to open that email. Little things

1493
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 2: like that you can change and like again, stacking and

1494
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 2: doing many little things will have a great outcome. So

1495
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 2: with breath holding, I think it's beautiful because it gives

1496
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 2: you a pause. You can do it anywhere. You can

1497
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 2: do it on the train, you can do it, you know,

1498
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 2: five ten seconds, and it gives you time to reflect,

1499
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 2: and it teaches you about your body and how amazing

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01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 2: your body is. And that is one of the greatest

1501
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 2: things I love in my teaching. I call myself a teacher,

1502
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 2: people call me a coach, but whatever, you know, a trainer,

1503
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 2: a teacher to show this, you know, unlimited basically potential

1504
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 2: that we all have. And I really don't want people

1505
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 2: to think that I'm this superhuman or Discovery crown with

1506
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 2: the superhuman when I then moved it to twenty two minutes,

1507
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 2: as your correctly said, I moved the record to twenty

1508
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 2: one minutes and twenty two minutes breath old twenty two

1509
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 2: zero zero, and I was crowned the ultimate superhuman on

1510
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 2: Discovery Bye by that. But I don't want to have

1511
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 2: a gap between what people think I do and they

1512
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 2: cannot do it. I'm not saying everyone can hold the

1513
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 2: breath for twenty two minutes, but they can do much more.

1514
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 2: You can do much more than you think, yeah or believe, right,

1515
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 2: And it's all about the process that I call it

1516
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 2: baby steps, this process, breaking it down in doable steps,

1517
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 2: and then you get to that level. Then it's almost

1518
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 2: like a computer game. I don't play computer games, but

1519
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 2: it's almost like these levels, right, I really don't, and

1520
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:12,839
Speaker 2: I was never interested in sitting down and playing computers,

1521
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 2: so I'm horrible at it if I should try. But

1522
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,719
Speaker 2: like pac Man or whatever, all these levels you unlock

1523
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 2: new levels, and once you reach the level of anything

1524
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 2: in life, a skill, a skill development, then you cannot

1525
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 2: unlearn it. It's kind of like we're say in Denmark,

1526
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 2: like riding the bike, because we all have bikes, right,

1527
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 2: I think you're saying in the US the saying like, yeah,

1528
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 2: you learn to ride the bike. You don't forget it.

1529
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 2: It's a nervous system, muscular balanced, brain coordination thing. It's

1530
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 2: a skill. So I love to show people the fascinating body.

1531
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 2: They have this amazing machinery that you can, you know,

1532
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 2: learn to drive, but sadly, in school, we don't learn

1533
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 2: to drive. Like I said, I also grew up in Florida.

1534
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:00,040
Speaker 2: I was so blessed to have p physical education and

1535
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 2: we learned a little bit about muscles and you know,

1536
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 2: triceps and blah blah blah, and that's fine, but you

1537
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 2: don't learn how to manage the body. And nobody teaches

1538
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 2: you how to breathe. And that is the source of life.

1539
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 2: And we don't have to discuss this, and you don't

1540
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 2: need to be a genius or you know, professor to

1541
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 2: figure out that without breathing, you don't go very far.

1542
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 2: It's like a few minutes, it's over. And that's food, water, okay.

1543
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:28,560
Speaker 2: You know, love relationships, intimate moments, you can go for

1544
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 2: a longer time, but breathing, few miniature kind of got

1545
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 2: out of it. So so breathing is so important and

1546
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 2: that's what we need to bring back into this hectic

1547
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 2: modern life. And it's really free for everyone. So, like

1548
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 2: I said, with the breath Al Challenge, it's seven days

1549
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 2: where people have access to everything online videos, you know,

1550
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,600
Speaker 2: a new video every day unlocked, and new exercises. But

1551
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 2: it's actually a seven day condensed breathing program where they

1552
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 2: learn all the best exercises from nose breathing or gy breathing.

1553
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 2: I talk about the inner dolphin. So that is something

1554
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 2: when I come back maybe another time we have a

1555
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 2: pot two. We can talk much more about how you

1556
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 2: unlock love to do in.

1557
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 1: Part two, and we include going to a pool, right,

1558
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:10,600
Speaker 1: and we.

1559
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 2: Can talk about the unmakingholding specific right, and then we

1560
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 2: can maybe go out to the ocean and we can

1561
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 2: explore a little bit because then it's more tangible there. Yes, yeah,

1562
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,560
Speaker 2: and that would be wonderful because to unlock that. So

1563
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 2: it's a cliffhanger, Thank you rainbow, thank you sly. So

1564
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 2: you know, unlocking that inner dolphin, that beautiful mammalian dive

1565
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 2: response that we all have. That's kind of the point

1566
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 2: I wanted to make everyone listening or seeing this show,

1567
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 2: this great David Brutherford show, have the same nervous system,

1568
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:46,639
Speaker 2: the same twelve cranial nerves. They have the tenth cranial nerve,

1569
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 2: the vegas nerve that runs from the bark of your

1570
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 2: of your brain near the cerebellum where you have your

1571
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 2: equilibrium and your your kind of motor skills, and it

1572
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 2: sends roots through your next to your corona gattery in

1573
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 2: the vegas nerve. It's like the high way of the

1574
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 2: rest and digest. So this paras empathetic, this kind of

1575
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 2: long name paris empathetic nervous system, the rest and digest

1576
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,719
Speaker 2: and with breath work and slow exhale. Like I said,

1577
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 2: the key to relaxation is in the exhalation. Slow exhale

1578
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 2: through the mouth, that's fine, But inhale with the nose,

1579
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 2: you trigger the vegus nerve. You turn it on, you

1580
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 2: stimulate it, and that will lower your heart rate, You

1581
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 2: soften your voice. Imagine what it does for a team

1582
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 2: when you have to give an important message or an

1583
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:33,600
Speaker 2: a crucial mission, or you know, business wise, getting your

1584
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:35,799
Speaker 2: message across to all the people that need to understand

1585
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 2: the assignment and be part of the team or the

1586
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 2: project or the mission. But also the fact that you

1587
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:45,640
Speaker 2: can slow down your monkey mind, which is not very

1588
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 2: easy with the mind, like we just discussed, but with breathing,

1589
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 2: it's automatic and it gives the stillness to the body

1590
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,680
Speaker 2: and it gives so you'd ask me about conditioning. This

1591
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 2: is conditioning your body to tap into that nervous system

1592
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:01,560
Speaker 2: that is not so well known because we live in

1593
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 2: a very hectic, overdry world, in the sympathetic world, in

1594
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 2: the stress world. So the beautiful thing about it is

1595
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 2: that it's like a forked system, so a bi force system,

1596
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 2: so you cannot be in both systems at the same time.

1597
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 2: Of course, some areas of the systems i'd work in

1598
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 2: different areas of your body, right, But if you go

1599
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 2: into rest and digest, you shut down the adrenaline, the

1600
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 2: cordisol what we would call the stress hormones that give

1601
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 2: you bad poor night or poor sleep at night. You

1602
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 2: gain weight. A lot of people gain weight when they're

1603
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 2: stressed because the adrenaline and cordisol give them them bad

1604
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 2: food choices, and it's often fat or burgers or sugar

1605
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 2: or cravings, and then you eat too much and before bed,

1606
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 2: and then you don't go out and work out. You

1607
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:44,560
Speaker 2: want it to, but then you don't, but then you

1608
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 2: feel bad that it didn't work out, and then you

1609
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 2: eat some Moart chocolate. It's just a vicious circle, very

1610
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 2: easy to understand, very complex to break habits right, but

1611
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 2: psychologically easy to understand. But with breath holding, I've seen

1612
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 2: so many people lose weight as well and improve the

1613
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 2: night's sleep, improve sleep apnea, falling asleep faster, staying longer

1614
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 2: in the rem sleep. So the recovery uh sleep pattern

1615
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 2: that really makes the body strong for the next day,

1616
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 2: heal you if you're sick and and and breath holding

1617
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 2: is just such an unknown, untapped activity and it's right there,

1618
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 2: and it is actually part of the yoga. It's just

1619
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 2: not so known, you know. In the Pranayama they talk

1620
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 2: about the the different ways of holding your breath with

1621
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 2: full lungs, empty lungs. I don't want to nerd too

1622
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 2: much on it. People can read it in the book.

1623
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 2: I go into great detail in the pathology book. It's

1624
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 2: it's on Amazon, so it can be found easily. But

1625
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 2: but really, you know, you can learn to navigate your

1626
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 2: body better. And if we taught kids at school how

1627
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 2: to navigate the breathing and the breath holding and the

1628
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:50,639
Speaker 2: pause and not react at a you know and five

1629
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 2: for example for boys, and not react to as stimulus,

1630
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 2: but but kind of be more you know, passive and

1631
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 2: look at it and it's not what's happening to me,

1632
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 2: it's happen around me or you know, but I'm the

1633
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 2: one responsible for how I react so that is really

1634
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 2: really healing. And also for like veterans and people I've

1635
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 2: worked with with trauma and high levels of stress, when

1636
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 2: you see that power implanted or instilled in you that

1637
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 2: you can make the decision Wow, I can shut off

1638
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:22,639
Speaker 2: the monkey mind. I can shut off the chitter chatter

1639
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 2: from the past, that kind of vinyl record that just

1640
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 2: goes in the same room it blew up, or it

1641
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 2: was my fault or this happened, or my family or whatever.

1642
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 2: You can kind of you can break that pattern, and

1643
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 2: with breath holding you just have a beautiful invitation to

1644
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 2: go into new passages of your nervous system and especially

1645
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 2: that parasympathetic area that you might have not been visiting

1646
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:48,560
Speaker 2: for many years, not consciously at least right. Right, So

1647
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 2: we don't train relaxation, we train stress in everyday city life. Right,

1648
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 2: Busy life is mostly doing and being active, and you're

1649
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 2: always late for something and you need to rush up

1650
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 2: and hurry to do more. But it's actually often you

1651
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:05,679
Speaker 2: know less as more so I think with an interesting

1652
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:09,560
Speaker 2: crossroad now with everything with social media AI, you know

1653
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:14,759
Speaker 2: all the things going on around the world where people

1654
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 2: start to both questioning authorities and how can I stay

1655
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 2: as healthy as possible, but also like finding answers and

1656
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 2: also with you know, potential wars or survival or you know,

1657
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 2: having a shelter or learning survival skills, Like people are

1658
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 2: more open minded to taking responsibility for their own lives. Yes,

1659
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 2: and with safety, with with you know, protection, And I

1660
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 2: see this clearly also now that that people actually younger

1661
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 2: people often very successful entrepreneurs. And when I say younger,

1662
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 2: I mean people in the twenties or thirties that have

1663
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 2: either made a lot of money or they're building companies

1664
01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 2: incredible feeds, but they're so stressed out. And the difference

1665
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 2: between those that new generation and people twenty years ago

1666
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 2: and my generation or my parents' generation, where you never

1667
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 2: complained and there was not even a word called stress,

1668
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 2: You didn't call in for work like I'm stressed, I'm

1669
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 2: having a headache, I need a me day. You just

1670
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:20,640
Speaker 2: went to work, right, And so this younger generation is

1671
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 2: actually interested in investing in themselves and learning we could say,

1672
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 2: more holistic approaches to health and performance. And they see

1673
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 2: the parallel between the performance and their health and being

1674
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 2: a better leader in their company and in their own

1675
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 2: family or their own life, and the productivity and the

1676
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 2: outcome of the company, so the bottom line and the

1677
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 2: financial success. Right. So there is an interesting time now

1678
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,640
Speaker 2: where more and more people are taking the responsibility and

1679
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 2: control back, and I think breath work is one of

1680
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 2: the easiest and most formidable ways of doing just that

1681
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:01,720
Speaker 2: because you could do it anywhere. People don't know how

1682
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 2: you know, where you do it, or why you do it,

1683
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 2: or you know, you can even sit on the car

1684
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 2: or on the plane and do your breath work. You

1685
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 2: don't even have to close your eyes. You can do

1686
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 2: it subtly or connecting with your heart, make it soft.

1687
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 2: Nobody knows that you're sitting and doing that. Sure, you're

1688
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 2: not like a yoga freak or having sense or anything,

1689
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 2: you know, candles around all this, you're just or incense.

1690
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 2: You know, you're just you, But you do some magic

1691
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 2: stuff inside and that is conditioning. So you're conditioning your

1692
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:32,720
Speaker 2: body for good habits. And that's why I like to identify,

1693
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 2: as I mentioned in the beginning, these bad habits are

1694
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:38,640
Speaker 2: poor habits in people, and then changing them into good

1695
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,759
Speaker 2: habits so they do the same like breathing. We all breathe.

1696
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 2: So I'll give people a chance to guess how many

1697
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 2: times do you think you breathe every day?

1698
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 1: Right?

1699
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:51,600
Speaker 2: Great question. This is what everybody should know. This is

1700
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 2: the most important thing in our lives. Breathing, for sure,

1701
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 2: hands down, there's nothing more important, right, Not your parents,

1702
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 2: not your bru dog, not your car, you No, not

1703
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 2: your bank account, no your crypto account. Nothing breathing. Yet

1704
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 2: we're not taught how to breathe right as kids. And

1705
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 2: imagine if you could go to the exam or the

1706
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 2: test without stress, or when you're bullied, how do you react?

1707
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 2: And you know? So I'm a big proponent of all that.

1708
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 2: I support a school in Cambodia and our common friend,

1709
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 2: the Organs, and also support these two hundred and fifty kids.

1710
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 2: And we teach them breathing, and we teach them how

1711
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 2: to clean up plastic, and they're having a garden now

1712
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 2: and growing vegetables, so connected with earth and nature, and

1713
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 2: we teach them about the body. So it's never too late.

1714
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 2: The answer is twenty thirty thousand times a day we breathe,

1715
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:41,559
Speaker 2: So why not breathe optimally? Why not learn? Like I said,

1716
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,639
Speaker 2: drive the car, why not learn how to drive your body?

1717
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 2: And it's really not difficult. It just starts with simple

1718
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:50,959
Speaker 2: breathing exercises, and then there is a whole new universe

1719
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 2: going into the mindset, going into your diet, going into

1720
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:58,799
Speaker 2: high performance like the world you come from, military sports business,

1721
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 2: and then go going into altered states of mind, going

1722
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:07,560
Speaker 2: into maybe more psychedelic experiences or more full universal experiences.

1723
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 2: You can call them many things, but it unlocks so

1724
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 2: many new doors and then you can go through those

1725
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:17,800
Speaker 2: doors and new world's unfold. And like I said, it's

1726
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 2: totally free and it's safe breath work, so there's no

1727
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 2: it's no wonder that it's becoming popular, but it just

1728
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:28,759
Speaker 2: needs to be done in a structured way. Find someone

1729
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:32,679
Speaker 2: that you trust or that sound trustworthy, not too dramatic

1730
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 2: or like to like like like it's a theater show

1731
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 2: or like it's breath work. Unfortunately it is. Also it

1732
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 2: has become like overpopularized, if that's even a word. Everybody's

1733
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 2: an expert now and everybody's a breath master. Apparently when

1734
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 2: I click on Facebook there's like twelve programs, Like it's

1735
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 2: just kind of flooded with experts everywhere. So you know,

1736
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 2: find a person or a school or direction that you like,

1737
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:00,040
Speaker 2: try that out and then of course, what we we

1738
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 2: doing brithologies. We tried to bring all the elements from

1739
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 2: high performance, cutting at science, and timeless wisdom. Those are

1740
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,559
Speaker 2: the three pillars of prithology. And that is again based

1741
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 2: just in my natural curiosity and what I was interested

1742
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 2: in because I also did judo, I did martial arts.

1743
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 2: I was the Danish champion twice in martial arts in

1744
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 2: my younger years as well. So it's just been things

1745
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 2: I've picked up and I've seen these are solid pillars.

1746
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 2: And if we have three pillars, it's not rocking the boat.

1747
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 2: It's stable, it stands firm. And on top of those

1748
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 2: three areas of knowledge and experiential doing, like you have

1749
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:38,839
Speaker 2: to feel it in your body, I build the prithology platform.

1750
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:41,720
Speaker 2: So so we also explained the signs behind why you

1751
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:43,640
Speaker 2: should breathe with your nose. As we talked about the

1752
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 2: noble winning people, that explained, oh, the LVO I open,

1753
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 2: the smooth muscle tissue relaxes, and the blood vessels dilate.

1754
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:54,639
Speaker 2: The mammalian dart response. When you hold your breath, slow

1755
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 2: your heart rate, you know, you change the way the

1756
01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:59,839
Speaker 2: blood is circulating in your body. You change the patterns

1757
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,600
Speaker 2: of your brain, you shift into different stages, which I

1758
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:07,679
Speaker 2: call meditation underwater. Right, this radio channel. All these things

1759
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:11,680
Speaker 2: are doable by everyone listening here. And the beautiful thing

1760
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 2: about breathwork and when your train breathing is that it

1761
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:16,799
Speaker 2: also helps you at night because you create good habits.

1762
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 2: Right again, you condition your nervous system, you rewire it

1763
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 2: to work more optimally, and when you sleep at night

1764
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:25,760
Speaker 2: it still works better, which is why you get more

1765
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 2: rest and you wake up you know, like a baby.

1766
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 2: Same with running, kind of right, when I have to

1767
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 2: give an example, kind of a silly example, I just

1768
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 2: always give this example. When you run, you know, then

1769
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 2: you stop after half an hour, after five miles, but

1770
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 2: it's not like the running is not still in you.

1771
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:45,559
Speaker 2: It still helps you with you know, digesting food, breaking

1772
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:49,720
Speaker 2: down a fat, keeping you energetic during the day and

1773
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:52,719
Speaker 2: at night because your heart gets stronger, you have more solid,

1774
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 2: deep sleep. So just because you stop running doesn't mean

1775
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 2: you don't have a post on the follow of the fact, right,

1776
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:01,640
Speaker 2: And this is the same with breathwork. The effect on

1777
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 2: your nervous system, on your brain, on your hormones which

1778
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 2: are produced or not produced, or at least released or

1779
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:11,320
Speaker 2: not released, like Adrenaline is a hormone, stress hormone. All

1780
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:15,960
Speaker 2: that is something you can influence and that is probably

1781
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:19,720
Speaker 2: the most overlooked aspect of modern medicine. That we can

1782
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 2: tap into these what you call the autonomous nervous system,

1783
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 2: meaning the self running or self ruling system. And that

1784
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 2: is maybe you know, one of the biggest secrets of yoga,

1785
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 2: that you can tap into those nervous threads and go

1786
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:37,600
Speaker 2: into your heart and go into your digestion. And that

1787
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:41,280
Speaker 2: is also why you can influence weight loss from breath

1788
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:44,480
Speaker 2: work and from priming yourself and from making better decisions

1789
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:47,560
Speaker 2: on the foods you eat the nutrients you get. But

1790
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 2: that follows the condition you do with breathing. When you

1791
01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:53,479
Speaker 2: become more in touch with yourself, then you also know

1792
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 2: what is right for you or not, what you need,

1793
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 2: what you don't need, and when you learn to hold

1794
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:01,719
Speaker 2: your breath. Mission with breath holding is not that everybody

1795
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:04,760
Speaker 2: should go diving underrise or do crazy stuff, especially to

1796
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:08,040
Speaker 2: never dive alone, but it is to teach people very simply.

1797
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a not very smart guy, so I

1798
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 2: like the simple stuff, make it very simple. So I

1799
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 2: want to tell people that they can learn to become

1800
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:21,759
Speaker 2: comfortable in an uncomfortable situation. That is the takeaway message.

1801
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 2: That is why people should do breath holding. Then there's

1802
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 2: a multitude of benefits of the strength and blood, more

1803
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:34,719
Speaker 2: hemoglobein EPO production from the bone marrow, short term benefits,

1804
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:38,599
Speaker 2: from the spleen contracting, from the mamalandar response. Long term

1805
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 2: effects because you have a higher globin loads, so you

1806
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:45,640
Speaker 2: have more binding capacity, which some people also cheat when

1807
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:47,680
Speaker 2: they take epos in sports. Right, but you can do

1808
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 2: it naturally, I call it natural doping from breath work

1809
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:52,640
Speaker 2: and especially breath holding. You can do it, and you

1810
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:56,880
Speaker 2: can simulate high altitude training. You do it with intermitted

1811
01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:00,680
Speaker 2: hypoxic training and breathles and you can do CO two

1812
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:04,240
Speaker 2: tables oxygen tables. But basically what you do is you

1813
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 2: get everything the mitochondria and everything in your body and

1814
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:11,720
Speaker 2: your cells on their tippy toes, whether you eat, don't eat,

1815
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 2: So fasting for three days five days, like the body goes,

1816
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 2: what's going on? Ketogenesis? Burn something else, break down the fat. Okay,

1817
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:21,760
Speaker 2: we're still alive. Oh I get clarity down on my brain.

1818
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 2: Oh I could do it. You unlock a new level.

1819
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:26,720
Speaker 2: Oh I could go five days without eating. Yep, I

1820
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:29,000
Speaker 2: didn't die. I thought I would because I live in

1821
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 2: a society where we twelve times a day and that's normal,

1822
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:33,720
Speaker 2: and that's what you're taught as a baby. But you

1823
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:35,920
Speaker 2: can go for a month without food. I just had

1824
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:39,639
Speaker 2: a buddy. Yeah, a month, but a week is as normal.

1825
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:42,040
Speaker 2: I go usually a week from weekend to weekend, one

1826
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:44,880
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty hours, and I just drink water and

1827
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:49,920
Speaker 2: a little drop of lime juice or lemon juice. But

1828
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:53,719
Speaker 2: so fasting or a cold water exposure or holding your breath,

1829
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 2: those are all the main extremes for the body, yep,

1830
01:35:57,320 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 2: and the mind. So with breath holding, you don't need

1831
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:02,719
Speaker 2: to go and jump and cold water, you know, find

1832
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 2: a lake or something and you can do it anywhere,

1833
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:10,559
Speaker 2: and it's it's provoking your body and it's it's it's

1834
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:12,720
Speaker 2: creating fear. Back to that, I don't know if we

1835
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:14,679
Speaker 2: caught up on the fear, but I don't really feel fear.

1836
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:19,479
Speaker 2: I never run, no, no, that's fine, But I'm not

1837
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:21,880
Speaker 2: really a fearful person. I'm not really afraid of anything.

1838
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 2: And either I'm very dumb or I'm just naive or

1839
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:27,479
Speaker 2: very blissed or blessed or I don't know. I had

1840
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:30,360
Speaker 2: a lucky life. It's all the breathing. Yeah, But I'm

1841
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 2: really not afraid of many things. You know. The only

1842
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 2: thing I'm afraid of is losing a loved one. You know,

1843
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 2: that's my biggest fear. Of course, I guess it is

1844
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 2: for most people. But I've never been afraid of like

1845
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:42,720
Speaker 2: hurting my leg or in free diving. You know, we

1846
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:45,640
Speaker 2: take all we're very cautious about the safety. And so

1847
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 2: another thing, maybe when people see this superhuman stuff and

1848
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:51,880
Speaker 2: underrice diving, you know, don't go and do it without training.

1849
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:54,280
Speaker 2: But I train all these baby steps and years and

1850
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 2: years and years and drill and drill and drill just

1851
01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 2: like you do us right now. So I feel safe

1852
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:00,880
Speaker 2: when I do it, and I don't feel it's risky.

1853
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,240
Speaker 2: But people seeing it thinks it's extreme or stupid.

1854
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 1: Maybe, well it's outside of their comfort zone, right, and

1855
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:08,960
Speaker 1: that's generation or what they can understand, that's what they

1856
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:14,599
Speaker 1: can't appreciate. So tell us, tell us just recently, because

1857
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:17,120
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of times when people move into

1858
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 1: these extreme endeavors, there's a there's a stage in their

1859
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:24,000
Speaker 1: life and then they move beyond it and they become teachers,

1860
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:27,600
Speaker 1: and you've done, but you're still very connected to the community.

1861
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 1: And would you just let's close on that that recent

1862
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:34,799
Speaker 1: experience you just had, that story you told me before

1863
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 1: and that relationship was is one of the coolest things.

1864
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:42,840
Speaker 2: That I've heard. Yeah, well, I love to teach. I

1865
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 2: would say I'm a born teacher. I love to create

1866
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:47,000
Speaker 2: results in other people, and I love to be this

1867
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:49,400
Speaker 2: kind of childish guy, like showing your body is just

1868
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:52,200
Speaker 2: absolutely phenomenal. Look at what you can do, whether it's

1869
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:55,280
Speaker 2: lifting the diaphragm or lowering the pulse and all this stuff.

1870
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:57,880
Speaker 2: So I just came back also for the Come on

1871
01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 2: Your Fine podcast Here, just back two days ago from Dominica,

1872
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:04,320
Speaker 2: which is a small island down in the Caribbean between

1873
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:07,920
Speaker 2: Guadalupe and Martinique, and we were having two weeks of

1874
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:10,559
Speaker 2: competition back to back in free diving, so in deep diving.

1875
01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 2: This was deep diving, not breath holding, not swimming in

1876
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 2: the surface, deep diving into the blue you know, abyss.

1877
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 2: Yeah alongside. I was lucky to go the last day

1878
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:24,000
Speaker 2: with sperm whales and pilot whales. Oh wow, I was blessed.

1879
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:27,679
Speaker 2: I have such a privileged life. I know, I'm so spoiled.

1880
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:31,599
Speaker 2: And the week before I flew from Miami to Tuloum,

1881
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:34,880
Speaker 2: which is down in Mexico, and I joined forces with

1882
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 2: Alexei Molchinov. Hands down the best free diver in the world.

1883
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 2: There's no discussion. People can just look me up. Besides

1884
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:43,960
Speaker 2: being a phenomenal athlete, he's just a really, really all

1885
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 2: round great guy. I competed with alex the first time

1886
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 2: in two thousand and five. He just turned eighteen so

1887
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:53,760
Speaker 2: he could enter the World Championship. I got lucky. I won.

1888
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 2: I was a bit older and more experienced, But that's

1889
01:38:57,439 --> 01:38:59,320
Speaker 2: the time I talked about before two thousand and three,

1890
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 2: four or five, when I was at my prime around

1891
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:03,679
Speaker 2: thirty and I trained very hard for a long time.

1892
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 2: And Alexi's mom was the greatest free diver of all time.

1893
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 2: Her name was Natalia Molchanov Molchanova, and never before after

1894
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:17,719
Speaker 2: as anyone come close. There are a few female divers

1895
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:20,639
Speaker 2: now that are contenders, but nobody has unlocked that level.

1896
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:23,719
Speaker 2: She died unfortunately, just a few years ago in Spain

1897
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 2: during a training sessions. She disappeared. Maybe the current we

1898
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 2: don't know. They never recovered the body, which is probably

1899
01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:31,880
Speaker 2: Alexis told me he's glad they never found the body.

1900
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:34,759
Speaker 2: By the way, he just released a movie on Amazon

1901
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 2: on Prime I think called Free Diver Easy to Remember.

1902
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:40,120
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful free Diver and you will see the

1903
01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 2: relationship with his mom. It was his greatest coach, his love,

1904
01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:47,720
Speaker 2: his mentor, and they had this beautiful connection and this relationship.

1905
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 2: It is a beautiful movie. And so I was part

1906
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 2: of that because when I started setting my world records,

1907
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:55,599
Speaker 2: Natalia did, so we kind of had this in common.

1908
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:58,559
Speaker 2: And I always liked alex And then in two thousand

1909
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:00,640
Speaker 2: and six we competed on the national level for the

1910
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:03,720
Speaker 2: teams and Denmark won for the first time ever. I

1911
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:05,720
Speaker 2: was like a flying coach. I was on the team

1912
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:07,560
Speaker 2: and I was a coach. Yeah, but you know in

1913
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:09,599
Speaker 2: little sports, like we talked about, you don't have money

1914
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:11,840
Speaker 2: for coaches or like national this and that, you're just

1915
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:14,760
Speaker 2: your own coach with the national team. You know, I

1916
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:16,600
Speaker 2: think we paid our own towels to and you know,

1917
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:19,519
Speaker 2: like at that level, right, he's a hobby. I've never

1918
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:22,479
Speaker 2: got rich from freedom because so people don't misunderstand anything.

1919
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:29,880
Speaker 2: And then in two thousand and seven, we competed side

1920
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 2: by side, and again I got lucky. I won, he

1921
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:35,000
Speaker 2: got the silver. So actually both in all these years

1922
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:37,280
Speaker 2: were in the same you know, when we had the

1923
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:40,160
Speaker 2: medals and stuff, and we were competitors, but we it

1924
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:42,559
Speaker 2: was also very friendly. And I've always liked a leg

1925
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:45,519
Speaker 2: say and today, you know, he's developed into a man.

1926
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:48,439
Speaker 2: He's thirty eight, young man, very child is still like

1927
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 2: I am, I guess, but this playfulness. He has a

1928
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:53,639
Speaker 2: son now, Max was five, so you know he's passing

1929
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:56,479
Speaker 2: on this great heritage stuff of sport. But he was

1930
01:40:56,520 --> 01:40:58,719
Speaker 2: super active. We have a very similar background. He started

1931
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:01,639
Speaker 2: swimming at the age of five, got into other sports

1932
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:05,880
Speaker 2: as well, and just so I had the world record

1933
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:07,720
Speaker 2: in the deepest dive is two hundred feet dive, and

1934
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:11,920
Speaker 2: alexis basically all records in the world. He has forty

1935
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:14,200
Speaker 2: two world records now, but he never had it in

1936
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:17,120
Speaker 2: the unassisted the one where you just swim down in breastroke.

1937
01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:19,760
Speaker 2: And I thought I could help him on that because

1938
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:23,160
Speaker 2: I had the record before and that's kind of my specialty.

1939
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:26,760
Speaker 2: So we reconnected last year. He's a member of the

1940
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:28,920
Speaker 2: Explorers Club in New York, a recent member. I've been

1941
01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 2: a member for many years because we've kind of moved

1942
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:35,560
Speaker 2: the limits from mankind. So before exploration was more the

1943
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:38,280
Speaker 2: Explorers Club is Phenomenal Club, which one of the greatest

1944
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 2: clubs ever it is in the world, and it's you know,

1945
01:41:41,479 --> 01:41:45,400
Speaker 2: it's exploration of land and space and ocean, and it's

1946
01:41:45,439 --> 01:41:49,680
Speaker 2: also protection of animals and learning about cultures and respecting

1947
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:54,080
Speaker 2: nature and uncovering historic events and like really just understanding

1948
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:56,479
Speaker 2: mankind and protecting what we have to a best ability

1949
01:41:56,880 --> 01:42:00,920
Speaker 2: Phenomenal Club and Alexa at him there and I took

1950
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:03,360
Speaker 2: him to some firewalking at one of the crazy members

1951
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:06,560
Speaker 2: of the club's private house of wild party and just

1952
01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:11,599
Speaker 2: something really really extraordinary people and everyone just with crazy stories.

1953
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:15,400
Speaker 2: So it's like like like just it's just a wild place.

1954
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:18,679
Speaker 2: Everybody is like but everybody's calm because it's like everybody

1955
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:22,439
Speaker 2: has so anyway, So we reconnected and then the last

1956
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:25,320
Speaker 2: year we started connecting more, and the last three months

1957
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:27,559
Speaker 2: I started like we connected more. And then on WhatsApp

1958
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:29,920
Speaker 2: I started coaching a little bit. He sent videos. I

1959
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:33,439
Speaker 2: would give pointers and I think it is so wonderful

1960
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:35,479
Speaker 2: to see an athlete at the top of his game,

1961
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:37,600
Speaker 2: the best in the world. By far. You can just

1962
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:39,800
Speaker 2: see any video one video you will know without knowing

1963
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:41,679
Speaker 2: about freedom, I mean that he is the cream Della

1964
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:46,760
Speaker 2: creating style. It's impeccable. The strength, the flexibility, everything has

1965
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:49,680
Speaker 2: developed over yeah, since he was a young young kid, right,

1966
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:53,519
Speaker 2: but still to be open minded to an old dinosaur

1967
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 2: like me, you know, that's the thing.

1968
01:42:56,920 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 1: That moves in And I'm talking and one it's the respect,

1969
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:04,120
Speaker 1: the mutual respect too. It's it's the recognition that you

1970
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:06,920
Speaker 1: always need help, even if you're the best of the best,

1971
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:08,560
Speaker 1: to be open to.

1972
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:11,280
Speaker 2: And we all know also Ale saying you, I guess

1973
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:13,920
Speaker 2: without knowing you so much personally and myself, it's hot

1974
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:16,519
Speaker 2: for us women and men, but maybe especially any men

1975
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:18,800
Speaker 2: to ask for help. Yeah, I think that's a common

1976
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 2: thing for sure. So to be able to do that

1977
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 2: and then nerd on those things, you know. And and

1978
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 2: and he broke or we broke the world record on

1979
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:32,280
Speaker 2: Monday is Monday, so he had a blackout two days

1980
01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 2: before that was with the no fens. So we changed

1981
01:43:35,120 --> 01:43:40,920
Speaker 2: styles talking about again, uh, talking about victories or or

1982
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:45,000
Speaker 2: you know, success or failure. He still didn't manage the record.

1983
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:46,880
Speaker 2: He was too tied and fatigue from a full year

1984
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:49,000
Speaker 2: of training and traveling and being in so many places.

1985
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:52,759
Speaker 2: He runs also multional free diving, so develop an equipment

1986
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:55,000
Speaker 2: high level and he just has a lot on his plate,

1987
01:43:55,240 --> 01:43:59,599
Speaker 2: but he manages, he manages all this brilliantly. His energies

1988
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:02,680
Speaker 2: men mental focus, not negative energy, just cuts it out.

1989
01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:05,800
Speaker 2: But he then we changed tactics and he did the

1990
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:09,080
Speaker 2: deepest dive in the world four hundred and sixteen feet,

1991
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:11,360
Speaker 2: so one hundred and twenty seven meters with bifins. So

1992
01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:14,439
Speaker 2: people in Florida are people spurarfishing noses, little flip flops,

1993
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:16,960
Speaker 2: little fins, a bit longer his fins. But there were

1994
01:44:17,080 --> 01:44:21,680
Speaker 2: five on fiberglass, not cabon fibero, so really really impressive.

1995
01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:24,280
Speaker 2: And it's the height of the Statue of Liberty, so

1996
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:28,000
Speaker 2: people just have an understanding. The dive almost took five minutes.

1997
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:31,559
Speaker 2: It's insane, swimming NonStop, sinking down and then swimming up.

1998
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:35,960
Speaker 2: Four point forty three was the time to insane. People

1999
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:39,559
Speaker 2: can find it online and you were there, right there,

2000
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:42,040
Speaker 2: and I was coaching him in the water and what

2001
01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:44,760
Speaker 2: to say, and so again you have this incredible responsibility

2002
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:46,720
Speaker 2: of not screwing it up. Yeah, because if I say

2003
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:49,800
Speaker 2: something wrong or touched him, he's disqualified. So there are

2004
01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:53,680
Speaker 2: so many it's like, really, you know split seconds that

2005
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:55,880
Speaker 2: you really need to be very focused and know what

2006
01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:58,000
Speaker 2: to do and have the experience. So he recognized I

2007
01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:00,560
Speaker 2: also have this, and we just had people riding in.

2008
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:02,720
Speaker 2: It's so great to see you guys together again, and wow,

2009
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:05,760
Speaker 2: this is awesome, this is inspirational. And I was surprised,

2010
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:08,680
Speaker 2: being this old geezer, you know that a lot of

2011
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:10,880
Speaker 2: the younger generation or free divers had either read my

2012
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:13,080
Speaker 2: book or had it with them on Kindle. Yeah, one

2013
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:15,400
Speaker 2: had showed me a picture that I signed for them

2014
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:17,760
Speaker 2: ten years ago school a Dima, which is like a

2015
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:20,320
Speaker 2: dive show, the biggest dive show in the world. And

2016
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:22,200
Speaker 2: he said, yeah, you showed us this, and now we

2017
01:45:22,280 --> 01:45:25,760
Speaker 2: have a dive shop in Florida. We take people spearfishing

2018
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:31,160
Speaker 2: and we show them free diving, and and yeah, it's

2019
01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:33,400
Speaker 2: just fun to be appreciated and it's it's great to

2020
01:45:33,479 --> 01:45:35,960
Speaker 2: see that there's still development and then to be with

2021
01:45:36,040 --> 01:45:38,600
Speaker 2: the free diving community. So but maybe just to end

2022
01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:40,599
Speaker 2: on that with a leg, say, how do you see

2023
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:43,800
Speaker 2: if an athlete is great or the highest level. So

2024
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:47,000
Speaker 2: we would train more than anybody else there. We would

2025
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:51,280
Speaker 2: train three or four times a day, flexibility, strength, looking

2026
01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:53,600
Speaker 2: very much at the diet, cutting things out because you

2027
01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:55,759
Speaker 2: got like some bad infection. That's one of the reasons

2028
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:58,040
Speaker 2: you had the blackout as well, So cut it out.

2029
01:45:58,160 --> 01:46:00,479
Speaker 2: Chains the diet went to only bottle water or so

2030
01:46:01,439 --> 01:46:05,200
Speaker 2: dialing everything. Then some more muscle training again to wake

2031
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:08,360
Speaker 2: up the muscle for the glycogen process and for like

2032
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:11,160
Speaker 2: awakening the muscles. He kind of bulked, so he needed that,

2033
01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:14,519
Speaker 2: and just listening to his strong intuition like I need

2034
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:17,240
Speaker 2: some more bulk training, I need some more fitness training. Okay,

2035
01:46:17,320 --> 01:46:20,639
Speaker 2: we do that. Do some squads do some weight training.

2036
01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:22,960
Speaker 2: And then we worked a lot on his knees and

2037
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:26,000
Speaker 2: opening the flex you know, the hips, and so some

2038
01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 2: challenges he has had with that change his style. And

2039
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:32,160
Speaker 2: then every day we would also go at sunset and

2040
01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:34,120
Speaker 2: swim in the ocean when nobody else was there, into

2041
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:37,519
Speaker 2: the darkness just to drill, drill, and he would like

2042
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:41,679
Speaker 2: drills exercises. And then when he had the competition dives,

2043
01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:44,200
Speaker 2: he would swim out to the platforms as the only

2044
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:47,519
Speaker 2: diver of all fifty or sixty divers, and he would

2045
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:50,040
Speaker 2: even swim back after the blackout. I just told you, right,

2046
01:46:50,840 --> 01:46:53,200
Speaker 2: no other diver would do that. It's not that they

2047
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:55,400
Speaker 2: couldn't do it, but they wouldn't have the mental capacity.

2048
01:46:55,439 --> 01:46:57,560
Speaker 2: They wouldn't think. But there's a boat that takes the

2049
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:00,240
Speaker 2: athletes in, but he's just like no, no, And that

2050
01:47:00,640 --> 01:47:04,879
Speaker 2: is also like reinforcing that strength that Okay, at a blackout,

2051
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:07,200
Speaker 2: I failed, it went bad, but I'll get back, you know,

2052
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:10,680
Speaker 2: at it, and I'll swim in and I'll stretch to

2053
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:13,000
Speaker 2: night and tomorrow I'll change my dot and I'll look

2054
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:15,600
Speaker 2: at the dive and I'll analyze it with stick and

2055
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:18,320
Speaker 2: we'll change something and you know. So it's it's just

2056
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:23,880
Speaker 2: always finding that extra level of unlocking a potential and

2057
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:27,560
Speaker 2: just I like to call it stacking, right, So you so,

2058
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:30,120
Speaker 2: for example, one day I came to Alex's room and

2059
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:32,160
Speaker 2: he was very sore because we had played table ten.

2060
01:47:32,240 --> 01:47:33,840
Speaker 2: He's like crazy, like an hour and a half the

2061
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:36,000
Speaker 2: night before. He was sore in his lower back and

2062
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:38,240
Speaker 2: he hardly couldn't bend OUs, so he was brussing his

2063
01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:41,080
Speaker 2: teeth and at the same time, of course, it did stretching.

2064
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:44,160
Speaker 2: So again, stacking, like you do things but you can

2065
01:47:44,240 --> 01:47:46,559
Speaker 2: be very productive if you do things in a smart

2066
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:49,160
Speaker 2: way that you have to do anyways, but you stack

2067
01:47:49,240 --> 01:47:51,840
Speaker 2: them together and again, then the outcome is faster, right

2068
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:55,400
Speaker 2: and better. So it was just, you know, extraordinary to

2069
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:57,479
Speaker 2: be so close to him again and with him and

2070
01:47:57,640 --> 01:48:00,800
Speaker 2: see why he's at the top of his game, what

2071
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:04,280
Speaker 2: distinguishes him from There were many other great free divers,

2072
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:09,519
Speaker 2: Continental records, American records, really great and another girl, uh

2073
01:48:10,160 --> 01:48:13,120
Speaker 2: Kate Kattererina did two world records in the no fins.

2074
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:17,640
Speaker 2: He got that record wow in the female category. And

2075
01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:20,240
Speaker 2: and to watch her and to get to talk with

2076
01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:27,919
Speaker 2: her a nerd about technique and style, so fulfilling and fun. Yeah, sting. Obviously,

2077
01:48:28,040 --> 01:48:29,960
Speaker 2: I could sit here and listen to you for days.

2078
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:32,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you're I think the people will fall asleep.

2079
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:33,960
Speaker 2: But don't take them in the water next time. That's

2080
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:36,320
Speaker 2: maybe more interesting. I take them under the surface.

2081
01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:42,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I think everybody's interested in in what drives people. Sure,

2082
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:48,519
Speaker 1: everybody I think has a curiosity for you know, how'd

2083
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:51,280
Speaker 1: you do it? Obviously, and then I think when you

2084
01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:54,920
Speaker 1: can articulate it in a way that's genuine and and

2085
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:59,320
Speaker 1: really comes from that, that at that place of dedication

2086
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:05,040
Speaker 1: and calm and sincerity, like people can feel that, and

2087
01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:08,719
Speaker 1: I think you certainly have. That's been such a pleasure

2088
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:12,160
Speaker 1: getting to know you. It's such an honor to have show.

2089
01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:16,360
Speaker 1: Where can people follow you? Where can they buy the book?

2090
01:49:16,479 --> 01:49:18,000
Speaker 1: And what do you have coming up next?

2091
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:22,559
Speaker 2: Well, Breathology is a brand, it's a method, so it's

2092
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:24,920
Speaker 2: it's easy whether you spell it the other one way

2093
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:26,559
Speaker 2: or the other. I have all the domains, so don't

2094
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:28,280
Speaker 2: worry about it. But there's a knee in the middle.

2095
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:33,120
Speaker 2: Breath theology like breathology like biology. That's the idea. I

2096
01:49:33,200 --> 01:49:35,680
Speaker 2: think people get it. So I got that domain, I

2097
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:38,040
Speaker 2: got the registered trademark, I got everything, so they can

2098
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:41,160
Speaker 2: just kind of write breathologists. Stick Stig like the driver

2099
01:49:41,439 --> 01:49:45,960
Speaker 2: like in this crazy cas sho a top gear. It's

2100
01:49:46,120 --> 01:49:49,360
Speaker 2: very popular in Europe and his name is Stick. So

2101
01:49:49,439 --> 01:49:52,200
Speaker 2: sometimes I say I am the stick over the helmet.

2102
01:49:53,560 --> 01:49:55,920
Speaker 2: But they can find it online. We have social media,

2103
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:58,800
Speaker 2: but breathology, breathology, spell it whatever way you want and

2104
01:49:59,080 --> 01:50:01,080
Speaker 2: people can find me sick Severance and I'm the only

2105
01:50:01,160 --> 01:50:04,920
Speaker 2: one you know, bald Tracy Danny's Viking and stick stick

2106
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:07,240
Speaker 2: free diving. You know, they'll fine for me, it's easy.

2107
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:09,680
Speaker 2: And then for the seven day breath Hold Challenge, they

2108
01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:11,519
Speaker 2: can just write seven day breath hold Challenge a breath

2109
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:14,160
Speaker 2: hold challenge. It comes up as number one on Google.

2110
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:17,799
Speaker 2: And that is actually a full blown weak breathwork program,

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Speaker 2: completely free, with thousands and thousands of people joining. And

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Speaker 2: like I said during the interview, here we aim to

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Speaker 2: double people's breathold in a week, maybe triple it well,

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Speaker 2: but just doing that and learning to become comfortable in

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Speaker 2: an uncomfortable situation. So just to explain the whole idea

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Speaker 2: why I want this when we wrap it up now,

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Speaker 2: is that I want people to use that in the

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Speaker 2: everyday life. Yes, it has to be extrapolated into people's

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Speaker 2: stay and implemented in their life, whether they're having an

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Speaker 2: argument with the wife, screaming kids, angry with the boss,

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Speaker 2: going for a job interview, having that exam. If you're

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Speaker 2: a kid, you're nervous getting bullied, military, no, high high

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01:50:54,160 --> 01:50:59,040
Speaker 2: performance sport athletes, business people, whatever level, you always have

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Speaker 2: breathing with your your best friends at this ninja skill,

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Speaker 2: and you can learn to train different breathing ratios and

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01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:08,240
Speaker 2: different styles. Like I said, just follow some people online

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Speaker 2: that you trust. There are many different schools, many great ways.

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Speaker 2: There's Patrick McEwan called the Oxygen Advantage. I never met him,

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01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:18,080
Speaker 2: but that's also a very science based approach. Bim Huff

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Speaker 2: I think, is a little bit more like woo woo,

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Speaker 2: or more like do some push ups and breathe fast

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Speaker 2: and then going cold shower. But he's very simplistic, so

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01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:26,680
Speaker 2: it's eased to start there. But if you want to

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Speaker 2: go deeper into the rabbit hole and understand the anatomy

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Speaker 2: and physiology and psychology and how it all wraps together,

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Speaker 2: then maybe you want to go in another direction. There's

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Speaker 2: also holotropic breath work by Stanley Gruff. He was very

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Speaker 2: much into all the altered states of mind and an LSD.

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Speaker 2: He's a psychologist. I trained with him. Wow. It's called rebirthing,

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Speaker 2: So that's also more of this trauma release and it's

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Speaker 2: very intense and hypoventilation. But it's not really for everyday practice.

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Speaker 2: It's more like a process and you draw a mandola

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Speaker 2: like colors of what you saw and and things like that.

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Speaker 2: So there are many styles and many directions and breath work.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like yoga. There's your shtanga, yoga, power yoga,

2146
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Speaker 2: yana yoga, there's yin yoga. There's all these styles. But

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Speaker 2: people just have to find their own way. And I

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Speaker 2: think if you go to Prithology, we have you know,

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Speaker 2: free programs, free training, and the Breath Whole Challenge is

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Speaker 2: a good way to start because it's seven days, so

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Speaker 2: it's doable for anyone. And the other thing besides explaining

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Speaker 2: that you can implement this in your everyday life, these techniques,

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Speaker 2: these conditioning responses, these habits, these good habits, is also

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Speaker 2: that I'm not special. You know, I've trained, I've dedicated,

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Speaker 2: like you have done incredible things, but that comes with

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Speaker 2: a lot of hot work and blood, sweat and tears.

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Speaker 2: But I don't want to distance myself. So people think

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Speaker 2: that bridge is uncrossable, right, superhuman this and unattainable. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like you can attain it and you can obtain great things,

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Speaker 2: but you have to start with babysips and it starts

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Speaker 2: with curiosity and an open mind and doing breath work,

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01:52:54,479 --> 01:52:58,080
Speaker 2: you know, breathing in through the nose, slight pause, having

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Speaker 2: four faces in a breathing side, you know, breathing in

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Speaker 2: slight pauster in the breath letting go, you know, like

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Speaker 2: a sigh, and then slide pause again. That's the third phase,

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Speaker 2: and then you inhale right, So it's like the whole

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Speaker 2: process of breathing becomes a natural thing that you train

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Speaker 2: with your awareness. So you sit down for two minutes

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Speaker 2: and do it in the car or before you go

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Speaker 2: to a meeting, and you have a completely different outlook

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Speaker 2: at what's in front of you and the world maybe

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01:53:28,160 --> 01:53:30,640
Speaker 2: even right, and that in a journey of connecting with

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Speaker 2: your mind and kind of fighting that urge to breathe

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Speaker 2: when you go into breath holding is fun and interesting

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Speaker 2: and it's great for your long capacity. So people with

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Speaker 2: post COVID lung cancer, asthma, allergies, it's just a great

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Speaker 2: way to reinforce and strengthen your lungs and your vital capacity,

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Speaker 2: becoming more flexible, getting a stronger diaphragm, And there are

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Speaker 2: tons of exercises in brethology. There's a book you also asked,

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Speaker 2: So breathology is explaining in great detail, with diagrams and

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Speaker 2: paintings and like strations and medical proof and referencing scientific papers,

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Speaker 2: how you train your diaphragm and what it does and

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Speaker 2: what muscles are involved, and it's like a little cookbook.

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Speaker 2: It's like step by step process breathing book and a

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Speaker 2: lot of examples of how people have used it. And

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Speaker 2: people can just find it on Amazon. There's probably some

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Speaker 2: pirate companies out there of the online pdf, and I

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Speaker 2: don't mind. You know, whatever you find write Breathology and

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Speaker 2: maybe there's a digital copy as well. Uh and I

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Speaker 2: don't care how people find it as long as it

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Speaker 2: just start. Amen, yes, Stig pleasure. Thank you everyone for

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Speaker 2: joining us. Thank you