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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Malcolm Robinson, you were about to tell us a story

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Speaker 2: about one of your adventures right before I interrupted you

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Speaker 2: for that break. Can you please continue?

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, obviously, because I'm immersed in this wonderful subject.

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Speaker 4: It puts me in the ballpark of.

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Speaker 3: Many incredible cases and stuff. So the following case happened

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Speaker 3: a few years ago where I was invited into this

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Speaker 3: this lady's family home where she had been plagued by

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Speaker 3: poltergeist effects. So I was there with my Strange Phenomena

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Speaker 3: investigations team. We had set up all equipment, we were

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Speaker 3: working in kind of semi ambient light, and suddenly the

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Speaker 3: psychic says, Malcolm, can you feel spirit.

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Speaker 4: In this room tonight?

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Speaker 3: And I went, no, I'm sorry, I can, And she's oh,

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Speaker 3: it's everywhere. It's everywhere. Malcolm, stand over in the corner

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Speaker 3: of the room and arm out, Extend your arm out

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Speaker 3: with your your palm facing downwards, and ask spirit to

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Speaker 3: touch you. I went really, and she says, yeah, please.

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Speaker 4: And so one minute went.

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Speaker 3: By, nothing, two minutes, nothing, three minutes, and on the fourth.

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Speaker 4: Minute, a heavy push pushed.

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Speaker 3: Down on the back of my hand, and boy did

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Speaker 3: I get a fright.

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Speaker 4: It was incredible.

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Speaker 3: Now nobody was near me, nobody had rushed up and

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Speaker 3: you know, try to do that. It was It was

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Speaker 3: quite incredible.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel that there is some sort of spillover

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Speaker 2: or crossover between ghost spirits and UFO cases. I know

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Speaker 2: you're interested in both, but are they related in some way?

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Speaker 4: Well, that's a very good question, George.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a question I've been asked many times

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Speaker 3: and I'm going to say yes to that question. And

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Speaker 3: the reason I do say yes is because of one

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Speaker 3: particular case that SBI were in with a number of

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Speaker 3: years ago. It was down in Devon in England, and

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Speaker 3: this lady had been plagued by UFOs all over our

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Speaker 3: house and in the sky and it was quite incredible,

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Speaker 3: and so we went down to interview about that. And

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Speaker 3: it was an old house as well, getting back to

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Speaker 3: what you said at the top of the show, and

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Speaker 3: you know, there's there's these old, old houses that seemed

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Speaker 3: to have this history of ghosts, et cetera. So she's

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Speaker 3: talking to me about various things that had been happening,

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Speaker 3: and then she says she started to say something.

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Speaker 4: Then she stopped.

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Speaker 3: I went, no, continue, please, please continue. I need to

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Speaker 3: know everything, no matter how ridiculous it sounds. Were here

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Speaker 3: to understand. What was she about to tell me? And

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Speaker 3: she says, well, okay, I don't know if you believe me,

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Speaker 3: but honestly, I saw this, mister Robinson, what did you say?

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Speaker 3: She said she was reading a book in her bed,

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Speaker 3: and it was just a small light on in the bedroom,

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Speaker 3: and she suddenly looked down to the foot of the

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Speaker 3: bed and saw a small gray being. And everybody, it

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Speaker 3: also is to a show, fully knows for that three

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Speaker 3: and a half four feet tall, small childlike body, pair

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Speaker 3: shaped head, black spinkyleman shaped eyes, no sign of any genitalia.

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Speaker 3: Standing at the right hand side of the bed. Here's

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Speaker 3: the crups, Josh, here's the to answer their question, the crossover.

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Speaker 3: So you've got a gray in the right hand side

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Speaker 3: room was a small spirit child. She looked very similar

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Speaker 3: to that American TV show Little House in the Prairie,

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Speaker 3: the pin of her dress, the ringlets in her hair,

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Speaker 4: Astonished to see this. So here we have, you know.

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Speaker 3: A small gray being and a spirit child in the

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Speaker 3: So as far as the crossover goes, I think, to

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Speaker 3: some degray maybe it's all pard parcel somehow. But that's

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Speaker 3: the only kind of story that I personally dealt with

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, there are those who think that our spirit,

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Speaker 2: our essence, when we die, it goes to some other place,

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Speaker 2: just don't know yet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing, you know, We're we many many

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Speaker 3: researchers the world over, including here in Scotland, have the

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Speaker 3: own ideas as to what is behind the UFO mystery.

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Speaker 3: Some people believe that's exterrestos. Some people believe it's interdimensional,

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Speaker 4: It's maybe not.

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Speaker 3: Too far silly to say that maybe if they are here,

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Speaker 3: then they have bases under the oceans of this planet.

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Speaker 3: And that's only it's only speculation on my part, of course,

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Speaker 3: the French physicist, who you just believe, maybe it's a

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Speaker 3: dimensional things, a dimensional shift, but we still don't know.

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Speaker 3: What really angers me and puzzles me is why, why,

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Speaker 3: oh why are we still having these UFO abductions. What

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Speaker 3: clearly is behind this? People say that it's some form

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Speaker 3: and this is what they're trying to integrate. It sounds preposterous,

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Speaker 3: I mean, the question I always raises, why is these

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Speaker 3: They've been doing it now for over fifty years, if

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Speaker 3: And yet some people the more been puddy case. For instance,

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Speaker 3: So these two Australian ufour rester said, okay, let's let's

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Speaker 3: them to a secluded spot. The two researchers are in

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Speaker 4: The car, and she says, there's.

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Speaker 2: In your country, in your neck of the woods. Fairy

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Speaker 2: folk have a long history, and I don't want a

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Speaker 2: you include some cases of fairy folk in this book.

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Speaker 2: related to spirits or possibly related to UFO activity. But

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Speaker 2: as you have noted, Jacques Valet and John Keel and

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Speaker 2: some other folks have made the comparison that maybe this

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Speaker 2: is the same phenomena that we now describe as aliens,

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Speaker 2: that the cultural norms of centuries ago they call them

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, you're quite right.

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Speaker 3: You know, back in the day that the troughs from Scandinavia,

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Speaker 3: the electric horns from Ireland, the gin et cetera. These

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Speaker 3: Today we see the grays. Is it some form of crossover,

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Speaker 3: you know, then we talk about Yes, there is a

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Speaker 4: The world over as well.

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Speaker 3: And again it sounds crazy, it sounds preposious, you know,

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Speaker 3: but you know, people literally seeing this.

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Speaker 2: Share some of the stories with us, Grab an example

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I'll give you a quick one that was

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Speaker 3: So when you look at the photograph, it clearly has

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Speaker 3: was an incredible photograph. We sent it off to many

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Speaker 3: and we never said it was a fairy.

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Speaker 3: And even the scientists couldn't agree. Some of them said

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Speaker 2: Let's go to a ghost story. So you write about

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Speaker 2: the Sterling Castle, and I could swear I seem to

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Speaker 2: remember that castle from maybe it's the story of William

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Speaker 2: Wallace the movie Braveheart. But this is a place that

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Speaker 2: has a long, long history. As you write, it was

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Speaker 2: seen battles and deaths and kings and queens. Tell us

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Speaker 2: it might be haunted.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's a very prominent castle which is in

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Speaker 3: Stirlingshire in the central belt of Scotland. As you quite

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Speaker 3: by stone etc. Has been besieged by the English. In

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Speaker 3: been many horrific deaths. Many prisoners were held in the

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Speaker 3: dungeons at Stirling Castle. But probably one of the most

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Speaker 3: famous ghosts that is in Sterling Castle is what we call.

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Speaker 4: The Green Lady.

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Speaker 3: And it's that a lady obviously with a floury, beautiful dress,

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Speaker 3: all in green green, and she's been seen many times

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Speaker 4: He could see right through her. And then this is

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Speaker 4: the problem I have with goos.

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Speaker 3: Some goosts are solid looking ghosts. Other ghosts are transparent.

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Speaker 3: You get anniversary gosts, so you get, you know, a

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Speaker 3: whole range of different things. But still a lot of

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Speaker 3: it could be what we call simy lacrum or paradoria

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Speaker 3: and we get that with our society tours a lot

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Speaker 4: But it's still in Castle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I would dudge any American I can

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Speaker 4: If you're ever in Scotland, please go to still in Castle.

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Speaker 4: The history of that is.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic and you never know they may come across the

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Speaker 2: What's the deal there?

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Speaker 3: Again it's it's another famous building, this time down in

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Speaker 3: AVP machine or these voices, et cetera. So they picked

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Speaker 3: and we felt that that had to be related in

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Speaker 3: her school friends and her little dog Toby behind. But

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Speaker 3: strange thing started to transpire. She was in a single

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Speaker 3: it was like the sound of this big medicine ball

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Speaker 3: Refused to believe them, thought it was child disimagination, maybe

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Speaker 4: And what did they find. They found the very same.

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Speaker 3: They could hear footsteps and knocking noises. They got so bad, George,

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Speaker 4: They did when she went to school.

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Speaker 3: So if you can imagine if back in nineteen sixty,

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Speaker 3: And as soon as Virginia lifted her arms off the

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Speaker 4: It was lying flat.

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Speaker 3: It started to vibrate of its owner cord and stood

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Speaker 3: I could go you want, It's such a massive case.

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