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Speaker 1: School of Humans. Hi everyone, Welcome to Cadaver Gals, the

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Speaker 1: podcast where we talk about the ways people have died

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Speaker 1: to cope with our own mortality. Yes, I'm your host, Nika,

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Speaker 1: along with Gabby Hey and Taylor Hi. Hi. Okay, real exciting,

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Speaker 1: real exciting stuff. So today Gabby is going to tell

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Speaker 1: us a tragic princely death story and Taylor is getting

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Speaker 1: into some witchy torture fun times. As always, we do

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Speaker 1: have trigger warnings because this is a little bit evan

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Speaker 1: intense podcast, So we are going to be talking about

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Speaker 1: incest and rape and animal abuse and mental illness. The

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Speaker 1: letter m if you know for some reason that might

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Speaker 1: trigger you being crushed, and there was one witches witches, witches, witches. Um,

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Speaker 1: So that is what's happening on this podcast. We are

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Speaker 1: looking forward to it. What a way to start the day. Wow,

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Speaker 1: let's cue the alligator music. Okay, welcome back. Taylor mentioned

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Speaker 1: that people might be ending their day with this. If

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Speaker 1: you are ending your day with this, what the fuck

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Speaker 1: is wrong with you? Um? No, I'm kidding. I just

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Speaker 1: I'm scared you'll have nightmares. But you know what, you

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Speaker 1: are your own person and you get to decide for yourself.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying we're recording this in the morning. So

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Speaker 1: that's why I said start my day anyway. I don't

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Speaker 1: need to ever explain myself. I'm a god, Okay, Gabby, Gabby, Yeah, Gabby, Gabby, Gabby. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well I think sometimes people I on another show I

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Speaker 1: worked on, they said there's one comment that was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love to listen a true crime podcast to fall

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Speaker 1: asleep too. So maybe the soothing tones of rape, murder, incest,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, okay, killing your family members. I guess that's

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Speaker 1: another thing that's going to happen today. So philiside phillis

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Speaker 1: belove it so fun and flirty. Okay, So yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be going We're going to Korea in the eighteenth century.

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Speaker 1: Is everyone to Korea in a while? They haven't been

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Speaker 1: to Korea in a while? It's true. Um, usually it's

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Speaker 1: just like toxic white people that we talk about dying

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Speaker 1: because it feels less problematic to talk about their deaths,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, absolutely agreed. Well, it's kind of

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Speaker 1: like reparations. Kidding, kidding, my god, I'm kidding anyway, where

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Speaker 1: this is Okay, So in seventeen thirty five, a little

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Speaker 1: babe was born and he would one day be known

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Speaker 1: as Prince Sado Sodo means think of you with great sorrow,

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Speaker 1: because mister Prince Otto is going to be killed by

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Speaker 1: his dad. Love to see it. Family, you're just going

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Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, family is complicated. I mean, yeah, spoiler,

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Speaker 1: this person dies. Can you believe it? Can you believe it? Anyway?

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Speaker 1: I'm shook. Yeah, It's just like this is like the

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Speaker 1: ultimate story of like daddy issues. It's like you take

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Speaker 1: dad who is chronically disappointed at you, and this is

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Speaker 1: what happens. You get sentenced to death. Okay, so just

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Speaker 1: watch off for your dad. All That's all I'm saying. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so not to everyone, because it's a lot of people

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Speaker 1: got daddy issues and there would be a lot more

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Speaker 1: philicide if that was the case. Yeah, that's that's true.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, so his dad is King Young Joe, and

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Speaker 1: like archery and like having tale you'll know, classic tale. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So his dad was always like, what the hell is

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Speaker 1: literal boy. They got married at eight, which apparently was

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Speaker 1: about in the song love Story, this specific scenario. Thank

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Speaker 1: Granny Taylor so sweet. Um, But his kid dies very

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Speaker 1: So I'm not saying it's okay. I'm just saying, like

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Speaker 1: You know, yikes, that's a big that's a big yike story.

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Speaker 1: you know son activity. Yeah, they would just do things

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00:24:04,965 --> 00:24:08,125
Speaker 1: to like bond over. Like. For example, there was this

420
00:24:08,405 --> 00:24:13,565
Speaker 1: massacre called the Massacre of Novodod where I'van the Terrible

421
00:24:13,685 --> 00:24:16,325
Speaker 1: took his private army to attack a Russian city called

422
00:24:16,405 --> 00:24:19,605
Speaker 1: Novodod because Ivan the Terrible was paranoid and thought that

423
00:24:19,605 --> 00:24:23,005
Speaker 1: they had committed treason and treachery mind you by you know,

424
00:24:23,165 --> 00:24:25,245
Speaker 1: as Ivan the Terrible got older and more powerful, he

425
00:24:25,245 --> 00:24:29,245
Speaker 1: became more paranoid and did some disturbing shit, which is

426
00:24:29,285 --> 00:24:32,605
Speaker 1: not good. So basically he and his son would go

427
00:24:32,645 --> 00:24:36,245
Speaker 1: to see horrific acts of violence, like torturing people by

428
00:24:36,285 --> 00:24:41,765
Speaker 1: grilling them more um binding like yeah, like grilling as

429
00:24:41,805 --> 00:24:47,365
Speaker 1: in like putting them on a hot not like a

430
00:24:47,445 --> 00:24:50,445
Speaker 1: George Foreman situation. That didn't exist back that. Oh, they

431
00:24:50,485 --> 00:24:52,085
Speaker 1: didn't have like a green egg that they could just

432
00:24:52,165 --> 00:24:54,565
Speaker 1: grill some people. You need a big green egg though

433
00:24:54,605 --> 00:24:59,565
Speaker 1: to I have heard that those are so expensive. By

434
00:24:59,565 --> 00:25:02,685
Speaker 1: the way, I don't know a person size one would

435
00:25:02,685 --> 00:25:06,005
Speaker 1: be super expensive or you have to get like three

436
00:25:06,045 --> 00:25:08,525
Speaker 1: and then like put them on. Yeah, I'd be too competent.

437
00:25:08,605 --> 00:25:10,845
Speaker 1: That's true too. He's a bizarre He had a lot

438
00:25:10,845 --> 00:25:13,525
Speaker 1: of money, It's true he did. But but no girls,

439
00:25:13,525 --> 00:25:17,165
Speaker 1: they didn't exist back then. It's more like burned alive,

440
00:25:17,245 --> 00:25:19,885
Speaker 1: I guess could have vibe. Okay. So he would also

441
00:25:19,925 --> 00:25:25,685
Speaker 1: like bind and throw women and children into the Volkov River,

442
00:25:25,885 --> 00:25:28,485
Speaker 1: which is where they would be trapped under the ice

443
00:25:28,565 --> 00:25:31,805
Speaker 1: and die. And I've in the Terrible actually had men

444
00:25:31,925 --> 00:25:33,925
Speaker 1: from his private army on the boats of the river.

445
00:25:34,005 --> 00:25:37,325
Speaker 1: So even if people did manage to like survive being

446
00:25:37,565 --> 00:25:40,365
Speaker 1: bound and thrown into the river, and they like manage

447
00:25:40,405 --> 00:25:44,005
Speaker 1: to come up from air, the soldiers would basically push

448
00:25:44,045 --> 00:25:45,605
Speaker 1: them down to make sure that they died in the

449
00:25:45,765 --> 00:25:50,725
Speaker 1: icy river. Why people so freaking mean, But I don't understand. Yeah,

450
00:25:50,725 --> 00:25:55,285
Speaker 1: it's pretty it's it's pretty bad. Um, I don't tell you. Also,

451
00:25:55,725 --> 00:26:00,845
Speaker 1: good son father bonding exactly, good son father bonding. And

452
00:26:00,885 --> 00:26:04,325
Speaker 1: the funniest thing is that after seeing these pretty gruesome

453
00:26:04,365 --> 00:26:06,845
Speaker 1: acts I've in the terrible and his son would go

454
00:26:07,205 --> 00:26:12,125
Speaker 1: to the church for prayer every single afternoon. Forgiven, they

455
00:26:12,125 --> 00:26:14,245
Speaker 1: are forgiven. Listen, and then it happened all over again.

456
00:26:14,365 --> 00:26:19,445
Speaker 1: Well this happened for five weeks, So major bonding, you

457
00:26:19,445 --> 00:26:22,285
Speaker 1: know what I mean? They were, they were really tight,

458
00:26:22,725 --> 00:26:25,005
Speaker 1: just like a morning I imagine, I'm thinking about their

459
00:26:25,085 --> 00:26:28,085
Speaker 1: g cows. You know, it's like eight thirty to twelve thirty.

460
00:26:28,085 --> 00:26:31,445
Speaker 1: People watch some like massacre twelve thirty to two, you know,

461
00:26:31,525 --> 00:26:34,965
Speaker 1: go to church. Yeah absolutely, yeah, and then like eat

462
00:26:35,085 --> 00:26:38,165
Speaker 1: a ton of food and I don't know, practice war

463
00:26:38,325 --> 00:26:41,845
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah. It was just just think how lucky

464
00:26:41,885 --> 00:26:43,685
Speaker 1: they are to have each other, you know, just really

465
00:26:43,685 --> 00:26:46,245
Speaker 1: appreciate each other. That's what life is about, you know,

466
00:26:46,525 --> 00:26:49,445
Speaker 1: is it not? Anyway, so i've in the Terrible was

467
00:26:49,485 --> 00:26:53,285
Speaker 1: also a very involved father when it came to Ivan

468
00:26:53,365 --> 00:26:56,805
Speaker 1: producing an air. Understandably, it was very important to him.

469
00:26:56,845 --> 00:26:59,925
Speaker 1: So at seventeen, Ivan was supposed to marry a Russian

470
00:27:00,045 --> 00:27:04,765
Speaker 1: noble woman chosen by his dad. But she didn't produce

471
00:27:04,965 --> 00:27:10,685
Speaker 1: an air quick enough, which a bitch? What was she thinking? Yeah, exactly,

472
00:27:10,885 --> 00:27:18,125
Speaker 1: So Ivan's dad banished her to a convent. Okay, ridiculous

473
00:27:18,725 --> 00:27:21,485
Speaker 1: being a woman, being a surf or being a woman,

474
00:27:21,765 --> 00:27:25,685
Speaker 1: all of those are cool. Yeah, Um, Ivan the Terrible guy,

475
00:27:25,725 --> 00:27:29,925
Speaker 1: Ivan another bride, you know, second time, we're trying to

476
00:27:29,925 --> 00:27:33,725
Speaker 1: go for it. But the same thing happened, so she

477
00:27:33,805 --> 00:27:37,485
Speaker 1: was banished, banished to a convent again by Ivan the

478
00:27:37,565 --> 00:27:42,085
Speaker 1: Terrible anyway, finally, there are times to charm you guys.

479
00:27:42,125 --> 00:27:48,565
Speaker 1: Ivan's third bride, Yelenava, was pregnant in October of fifteen

480
00:27:48,765 --> 00:27:52,605
Speaker 1: eighty one. What joy. They had tried for so long,

481
00:27:52,765 --> 00:27:55,965
Speaker 1: so hard. Finally you know what I mean? And um,

482
00:27:55,965 --> 00:27:57,805
Speaker 1: no confident for her, which is good. Every one of

483
00:27:57,845 --> 00:28:01,485
Speaker 1: the family was overjoyed. So things carried on as normal.

484
00:28:01,645 --> 00:28:04,005
Speaker 1: You know, we got the war, we got you know,

485
00:28:04,125 --> 00:28:09,445
Speaker 1: Ivan the Terrible having weird, disturbing, panicky, paranoid moments. But

486
00:28:09,485 --> 00:28:12,285
Speaker 1: for the most part, everything's pretty okay. You know, he

487
00:28:12,365 --> 00:28:16,765
Speaker 1: was still greedy, starting wars whatever. Anyway, until November fifteenth,

488
00:28:16,845 --> 00:28:20,525
Speaker 1: Ivan's wife was walking in the castle, minding her business,

489
00:28:20,565 --> 00:28:24,445
Speaker 1: happy and pregnant. You know, when Ivan the Terrible cut

490
00:28:24,445 --> 00:28:27,405
Speaker 1: a glimpse of her. Oh, a glimpse is never good.

491
00:28:27,605 --> 00:28:30,845
Speaker 1: A glimpse is never good. He became so offended at

492
00:28:30,885 --> 00:28:33,205
Speaker 1: what she was wearing because, according to him, her clothes

493
00:28:33,245 --> 00:28:37,765
Speaker 1: were inappropriate. Um, they were lighter than usual and so naturally,

494
00:28:38,285 --> 00:28:40,765
Speaker 1: you know, as what anyone would do when they react

495
00:28:40,885 --> 00:28:43,925
Speaker 1: when they see this is um, he started beating her. Now,

496
00:28:44,365 --> 00:28:46,845
Speaker 1: this was pretty normal for Ivan the Terrible. It seems

497
00:28:46,845 --> 00:28:49,525
Speaker 1: like he would lose his temper often, and he also

498
00:28:49,525 --> 00:28:52,285
Speaker 1: suffered from mental illnesses like later on in his life.

499
00:28:52,725 --> 00:28:57,725
Speaker 1: Still not okay, obviously, It's just not okay to hit women. Also,

500
00:28:59,525 --> 00:29:02,245
Speaker 1: that was all they had at the maternity store. You know,

501
00:29:02,805 --> 00:29:05,925
Speaker 1: maybe they didn't have some good options exactly. My thing

502
00:29:06,005 --> 00:29:07,645
Speaker 1: is like, you wanted her to be pregnant so bad.

503
00:29:07,645 --> 00:29:10,165
Speaker 1: And then you're still beating on her. H come on.

504
00:29:10,765 --> 00:29:16,045
Speaker 1: So Ivan heard his wife's screams traumatic and rushed to

505
00:29:16,085 --> 00:29:20,165
Speaker 1: find his father attacking his pregnant wife. Bad so he

506
00:29:20,245 --> 00:29:23,285
Speaker 1: freaked out and took his wife away, but the damage

507
00:29:23,325 --> 00:29:29,445
Speaker 1: was done and she miscarried. What a dick, truly, So

508
00:29:29,565 --> 00:29:33,165
Speaker 1: Ivan confronted Ivan the Terrible about it, but when he did,

509
00:29:33,645 --> 00:29:38,085
Speaker 1: his father accused him of treason and insubordination. They basically

510
00:29:38,085 --> 00:29:41,125
Speaker 1: got into this big argument about his wife and about

511
00:29:41,165 --> 00:29:43,645
Speaker 1: the wars, and about you know, Ivan's own opinions on

512
00:29:43,725 --> 00:29:47,085
Speaker 1: how Russia should be governed. And Ivan the Terrible became

513
00:29:47,285 --> 00:29:50,205
Speaker 1: so enraged that he struck his son with his scepter,

514
00:29:50,805 --> 00:29:56,925
Speaker 1: inflicting a fatal head wound. Oh wow. Ivan stumbled back

515
00:29:57,005 --> 00:29:59,725
Speaker 1: in a daze, and he was bleeding, and he fell

516
00:29:59,765 --> 00:30:03,165
Speaker 1: to the floor, and his father immediately stopped and held

517
00:30:03,205 --> 00:30:06,405
Speaker 1: his son and cried out, may I be I've killed

518
00:30:06,445 --> 00:30:09,965
Speaker 1: my son over and over and over again, and he

519
00:30:10,045 --> 00:30:14,245
Speaker 1: kissed his son, and apparently, according to one eyewitness, I

520
00:30:14,245 --> 00:30:17,405
Speaker 1: don't believe this, but whatever, his son said, I die

521
00:30:17,405 --> 00:30:20,725
Speaker 1: as a devoted son and most humble servant, which again

522
00:30:20,765 --> 00:30:23,765
Speaker 1: I doubt, but whatever. Oh but if he did like, oh,

523
00:30:23,765 --> 00:30:25,805
Speaker 1: that would be Yeah, you'd hate to hear from that.

524
00:30:26,045 --> 00:30:29,005
Speaker 1: I was a good son and he's like, ooh and

525
00:30:29,085 --> 00:30:33,525
Speaker 1: you killed me. Um. Ivan died on the nineteenth of November,

526
00:30:33,965 --> 00:30:36,885
Speaker 1: leaving I'm in the terrible with no viable airs and

527
00:30:37,085 --> 00:30:44,645
Speaker 1: furthering him into madness. What an idiot, dummy. That's why

528
00:30:44,685 --> 00:30:49,845
Speaker 1: you shouldn't kill your son. Absolutely and actually him, you know,

529
00:30:50,205 --> 00:30:53,925
Speaker 1: killing his son was part of the reason why basically

530
00:30:53,965 --> 00:30:59,325
Speaker 1: their empire eventually like toppled over. So you know, don't

531
00:30:59,365 --> 00:31:02,285
Speaker 1: kill your son. Also, as a father in law, don't

532
00:31:02,285 --> 00:31:06,685
Speaker 1: have opinions about your daughter in law's choice clothing. Okay,

533
00:31:06,925 --> 00:31:09,125
Speaker 1: can wear whatever she wants. She can be she's a

534
00:31:09,165 --> 00:31:13,525
Speaker 1: free sparrit yep yep. I like, but can can we

535
00:31:13,605 --> 00:31:15,885
Speaker 1: delimit that not just limit that to just father like

536
00:31:15,925 --> 00:31:19,245
Speaker 1: in laws? Can just well in general? Nope, I'm not

537
00:31:19,365 --> 00:31:23,845
Speaker 1: going to make it broader, Okay, Okay, Well anyway, so

538
00:31:24,485 --> 00:31:28,805
Speaker 1: that's the story, phil aside, not a vibe, not vibe

539
00:31:29,805 --> 00:31:32,325
Speaker 1: like a bad vibe. I would put it more bad

540
00:31:32,445 --> 00:31:39,685
Speaker 1: vibe than good vibe. I great cantgrization. Um And with that, Taylor,

541
00:31:39,805 --> 00:31:42,645
Speaker 1: my angel, I know you have a story for us

542
00:31:42,805 --> 00:31:44,925
Speaker 1: I'm hoping it's an angel. You are an angel. I

543
00:31:45,245 --> 00:31:46,605
Speaker 1: freaking call you an angel all the time. Don't be

544
00:31:46,605 --> 00:31:48,685
Speaker 1: a stupid bitch. I like tell you this all the time. Anyway,

545
00:31:48,845 --> 00:31:51,245
Speaker 1: don't be a stupid I call you an angel all

546
00:31:51,245 --> 00:31:54,925
Speaker 1: the time. I'm so fun to you, bitch. Yeah, literally,

547
00:31:55,125 --> 00:31:57,445
Speaker 1: that's that's that's me. I'm just very aggressive with the

548
00:31:57,485 --> 00:32:00,525
Speaker 1: way I love people. Okay, So I hear you have

549
00:32:00,605 --> 00:32:03,685
Speaker 1: a wonderful story that might be a little less traumatic

550
00:32:03,805 --> 00:32:06,965
Speaker 1: than this one, although I feel like it probably, I mean,

551
00:32:07,325 --> 00:32:12,165
Speaker 1: could have her girls, it can only be so yeah, light,

552
00:32:12,365 --> 00:32:16,125
Speaker 1: don't expect much. Okay, Well, I would love to hear it. Okay,

553
00:32:17,165 --> 00:32:20,605
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna tell you about Giles Corey. Yeah you

554
00:32:20,605 --> 00:32:26,645
Speaker 1: are girlfriend? Yeah GGI girlfriendo GC, Giles Corey group chat whatever. GC.

555
00:32:28,725 --> 00:32:32,485
Speaker 1: I believe he was noted in The Crucible, but for

556
00:32:32,605 --> 00:32:35,245
Speaker 1: those such as myself who never read the book or

557
00:32:35,405 --> 00:32:37,645
Speaker 1: saw the movie, although maybe I did read the book

558
00:32:37,685 --> 00:32:39,965
Speaker 1: and I just don't remember, like in high school, you know.

559
00:32:41,645 --> 00:32:44,845
Speaker 1: But it revolves around the Salem which Charles, which started

560
00:32:44,845 --> 00:32:48,325
Speaker 1: in February of sixteen ninety two to May of the

561
00:32:48,405 --> 00:32:53,085
Speaker 1: next year in Massachusetts. So basically what was happening people

562
00:32:53,125 --> 00:32:56,245
Speaker 1: were getting sick today. They believed that it was like

563
00:32:56,285 --> 00:32:58,685
Speaker 1: this fungus that was found in wheat and would call

564
00:32:58,725 --> 00:33:03,245
Speaker 1: it these like delusions and like muscle spasms vomiting, and

565
00:33:03,525 --> 00:33:06,245
Speaker 1: that was like the cause of this hysteria, really fun stuff,

566
00:33:06,685 --> 00:33:10,165
Speaker 1: so naturally, much like when it last week, a couple

567
00:33:10,165 --> 00:33:13,645
Speaker 1: weeks ago. When we're talking about vampires, the obvious conclusion

568
00:33:13,965 --> 00:33:16,725
Speaker 1: is not that people are getting sick because there's you know,

569
00:33:17,485 --> 00:33:21,805
Speaker 1: a baia or a fngus exactly. It's that somebody is

570
00:33:21,845 --> 00:33:25,805
Speaker 1: cursing them and they are witches. I it's like bad hysteria.

571
00:33:25,925 --> 00:33:28,845
Speaker 1: I love goods hysteria, you know, like sometimes when you

572
00:33:28,845 --> 00:33:31,205
Speaker 1: look at your partner you're so enraged with like, oh

573
00:33:31,205 --> 00:33:33,045
Speaker 1: my god, you're so yummy. I just want to you know,

574
00:33:33,085 --> 00:33:35,925
Speaker 1: like bite, Like I like that kind of hysteria, but

575
00:33:36,005 --> 00:33:39,245
Speaker 1: like the oh my god, you know it's a witch definitely,

576
00:33:39,285 --> 00:33:41,885
Speaker 1: and then make terrible decisions in history, that's like bad

577
00:33:41,965 --> 00:33:45,685
Speaker 1: hysteria to be yeah, for everyone, Like you know when

578
00:33:45,685 --> 00:33:49,765
Speaker 1: people get hysterical about like there's like bombs and like

579
00:33:50,045 --> 00:33:54,285
Speaker 1: weapons of mass destruction. The Iraq can wear hysterical bonds

580
00:33:54,285 --> 00:33:57,725
Speaker 1: and we have years long wars that we didn't exactly

581
00:33:57,765 --> 00:34:01,805
Speaker 1: you don't remember that, you know I do, And I

582
00:34:01,845 --> 00:34:05,205
Speaker 1: think that is like, again, if we're categorizing bad vibe,

583
00:34:05,205 --> 00:34:14,485
Speaker 1: you know, weapons of mass destruction, are today's witches big

584
00:34:14,565 --> 00:34:18,165
Speaker 1: mental leaps happening? Okay, go ahead. But at the same time, people,

585
00:34:18,325 --> 00:34:20,565
Speaker 1: if they are people that are creating, I mean, it's

586
00:34:20,565 --> 00:34:24,205
Speaker 1: like they're creating their own little spells and concoctions and curses.

587
00:34:24,205 --> 00:34:28,165
Speaker 1: So sure, why not make things make sense? They're just curses? Okay, great,

588
00:34:28,485 --> 00:34:32,405
Speaker 1: So anyway, so obviously they're like, there's witches. But it

589
00:34:32,445 --> 00:34:36,685
Speaker 1: also doesn't help that when one or two admits that

590
00:34:36,765 --> 00:34:39,845
Speaker 1: they're like against the Puritans, and then they also confess

591
00:34:39,965 --> 00:34:43,925
Speaker 1: to being a witch, like, it just validates everybody's original thoughts.

592
00:34:44,285 --> 00:34:47,285
Speaker 1: So that is not helpful. Yes, it's very not helpful.

593
00:34:47,405 --> 00:34:50,245
Speaker 1: So apparently that's enough to back everything up, and it's

594
00:34:50,285 --> 00:34:53,485
Speaker 1: became this town's mission to find and execute all of

595
00:34:53,525 --> 00:34:57,565
Speaker 1: the witches. Their punishments were typically hanging, while others just

596
00:34:57,765 --> 00:35:02,365
Speaker 1: died in jail. Which I didn't know this because I

597
00:35:02,405 --> 00:35:05,405
Speaker 1: don't know why, but um, I thought that it was

598
00:35:05,525 --> 00:35:08,885
Speaker 1: only women that were accused of being witches, but they

599
00:35:08,885 --> 00:35:12,805
Speaker 1: were actually five or six men among the thirty that

600
00:35:12,885 --> 00:35:17,485
Speaker 1: were quality. Wow. Yeah, oh that's not exactly equal because

601
00:35:17,485 --> 00:35:21,845
Speaker 1: it was still like five or six men. So anyway,

602
00:35:21,885 --> 00:35:26,325
Speaker 1: so we're gonna talk about Darles Corey in his accusation, um,

603
00:35:26,365 --> 00:35:30,565
Speaker 1: and his death went a little bit different. So little

604
00:35:30,565 --> 00:35:34,565
Speaker 1: backstory on little Giles. He was a farmer, quite successful

605
00:35:34,605 --> 00:35:40,285
Speaker 1: at it, I guess exactly. Um. He had all kinds

606
00:35:40,285 --> 00:35:43,285
Speaker 1: of crops. They were very they were doing really well.

607
00:35:43,805 --> 00:35:48,205
Speaker 1: He had this farmhand named Jacob good Ale who apparently

608
00:35:48,285 --> 00:35:51,045
Speaker 1: he stole some apples, which Giles took a little too

609
00:35:51,085 --> 00:35:57,645
Speaker 1: seriously and beat him to death. The terrible vibes. But

610
00:35:58,085 --> 00:36:01,485
Speaker 1: where they I hope they were like honey crisp and

611
00:36:01,645 --> 00:36:05,125
Speaker 1: not this like a shitty one, Like what's the shittiest apple?

612
00:36:05,525 --> 00:36:09,165
Speaker 1: I don't like Granny Smith. Yeah, I do like Granny Smith.

613
00:36:09,805 --> 00:36:12,285
Speaker 1: Granny Smith. I only like them if they're like cooked

614
00:36:12,325 --> 00:36:15,165
Speaker 1: with something, you know, Like I don't like them, just

615
00:36:15,205 --> 00:36:18,085
Speaker 1: like I want to beat someone to death for them.

616
00:36:18,125 --> 00:36:22,685
Speaker 1: Maybe honey crisp, because those are delish. They are delish

617
00:36:23,485 --> 00:36:28,605
Speaker 1: um or like Asian pears. Gosh, I go into pears,

618
00:36:29,285 --> 00:36:33,125
Speaker 1: I mean apples. I'm just saying, if there's a fruit

619
00:36:33,165 --> 00:36:35,965
Speaker 1: to like beat someone a death over. I think that's

620
00:36:36,005 --> 00:36:39,285
Speaker 1: like up there, mangoes too, good man. I'm supposed to

621
00:36:39,325 --> 00:36:42,925
Speaker 1: compare apples to oranges though, so leave the oranges out

622
00:36:42,965 --> 00:36:44,805
Speaker 1: of it. Why don't you open your mind a little?

623
00:36:44,805 --> 00:36:48,965
Speaker 1: Taylors which she's a witch. Yeah, I'm a witch. I'm

624
00:36:48,965 --> 00:36:52,965
Speaker 1: a witch. Okay, um, But Giles is like, no, I

625
00:36:53,005 --> 00:36:56,445
Speaker 1: didn't beat him up. He just fell off a ladder. Um,

626
00:36:56,485 --> 00:37:00,365
Speaker 1: But then other people they fell off a ladder. That. Yeah,

627
00:37:00,405 --> 00:37:02,965
Speaker 1: he was like super bruised, like there's no there's no

628
00:37:03,005 --> 00:37:04,645
Speaker 1: way that he just like fell off a ladder. But

629
00:37:05,005 --> 00:37:08,445
Speaker 1: people also overheard him bragging about beating Jacob to death,

630
00:37:08,485 --> 00:37:12,965
Speaker 1: so well, that'll do it. Yeah, So he goes on

631
00:37:13,085 --> 00:37:16,405
Speaker 1: trial for murder, but really the only thing that happens

632
00:37:16,685 --> 00:37:19,045
Speaker 1: is that he pays a fine, which a lot of

633
00:37:19,045 --> 00:37:24,045
Speaker 1: people are like, that's not cool. So he got in

634
00:37:24,085 --> 00:37:27,445
Speaker 1: trouble for like other small things like theft, but always

635
00:37:27,445 --> 00:37:30,245
Speaker 1: seemed to get away with it. Moral of this story.

636
00:37:30,925 --> 00:37:34,765
Speaker 1: He's not a great dude. So but then, okay, all

637
00:37:34,765 --> 00:37:37,685
Speaker 1: that stuff's happening. He was first married to a woman

638
00:37:37,765 --> 00:37:41,405
Speaker 1: named Margaret, who died shortly after they arrived in Salem.

639
00:37:42,125 --> 00:37:46,285
Speaker 1: And then later he married a woman named Mary. After

640
00:37:46,445 --> 00:37:50,045
Speaker 1: like twelve years in Salem, she dies the letter M bad.

641
00:37:51,645 --> 00:37:56,085
Speaker 1: Then he married a fellow widow named Martha, so he

642
00:37:56,085 --> 00:37:59,885
Speaker 1: had Margaret, Mary, and Martha, which all of this seems

643
00:37:59,885 --> 00:38:01,965
Speaker 1: a little suspicious to me, Like, what's with all of

644
00:38:01,965 --> 00:38:06,445
Speaker 1: the m's and why are they dying? Yeah, that'sious. He

645
00:38:06,645 --> 00:38:12,885
Speaker 1: has a type. There's only four names back then, right, Martha, Margaret,

646
00:38:13,005 --> 00:38:17,245
Speaker 1: whatever else? And I then there are only four and Ivan, Yeah, yeah,

647
00:38:17,245 --> 00:38:21,445
Speaker 1: that's it. And it was easier to have Giles and Giles.

648
00:38:21,925 --> 00:38:23,605
Speaker 1: Quite a strange. I feel like it was easier to

649
00:38:23,645 --> 00:38:25,365
Speaker 1: have a type back then because there were, you know,

650
00:38:25,845 --> 00:38:28,325
Speaker 1: not as much diversity now if you have a type,

651
00:38:28,325 --> 00:38:30,885
Speaker 1: it's like, Nica, why did you keep going for like

652
00:38:30,965 --> 00:38:36,405
Speaker 1: tattooed berries? Does? No? Like there's more out there. There

653
00:38:36,405 --> 00:38:38,165
Speaker 1: are more. Definitely more types now for sure. But I

654
00:38:38,165 --> 00:38:41,485
Speaker 1: see where you're going with the ms, you know, yeah, yeah,

655
00:38:41,645 --> 00:38:44,445
Speaker 1: it just seems a little suspicious to me. So the

656
00:38:44,485 --> 00:38:48,125
Speaker 1: witch trials. Witch trials are a hot topic. People are

657
00:38:48,125 --> 00:38:51,325
Speaker 1: out hunting for witches um and basically there were these

658
00:38:51,365 --> 00:38:54,085
Speaker 1: like two tribes, if you will, in Salem. There were

659
00:38:54,085 --> 00:38:57,765
Speaker 1: two families and half the town would follow one the

660
00:38:57,765 --> 00:38:59,165
Speaker 1: other half of allow the other. So there was the

661
00:38:59,205 --> 00:39:03,285
Speaker 1: Putnam's and the Porters. Two peas. Are you kidding me? Oh?

662
00:39:03,325 --> 00:39:06,725
Speaker 1: I should have listed pea as a trigger warning. The

663
00:39:06,805 --> 00:39:09,365
Speaker 1: Putnams and the Porters. So it was really kind of

664
00:39:09,365 --> 00:39:11,405
Speaker 1: like their feud that led to the trials because they

665
00:39:11,405 --> 00:39:13,405
Speaker 1: were like, you know, trying to get each other, and

666
00:39:13,445 --> 00:39:16,445
Speaker 1: they were like just accusing the other people who were

667
00:39:16,485 --> 00:39:21,285
Speaker 1: like associating with the other family. I have a question, yes, okay,

668
00:39:21,325 --> 00:39:23,805
Speaker 1: not a question, I have a really good point. Porter

669
00:39:23,925 --> 00:39:32,365
Speaker 1: Pittman p all the ms, Salem s p M S. Wow.

670
00:39:33,285 --> 00:39:35,125
Speaker 1: All right, well I don't need to finish my story.

671
00:39:35,125 --> 00:39:44,445
Speaker 1: Wow x x five x files x files themes so okay.

672
00:39:44,565 --> 00:39:46,445
Speaker 1: So anyway, so it was like this feud that kind

673
00:39:46,445 --> 00:39:48,085
Speaker 1: of like led to the trials because they were just

674
00:39:48,085 --> 00:39:52,045
Speaker 1: like accusing each other being witches. Um and Giles, his

675
00:39:52,125 --> 00:39:56,125
Speaker 1: allegiance was of the Porter clan and had the Patinams

676
00:39:56,245 --> 00:39:59,405
Speaker 1: pissed off. The Putnams were like this guy, bad dude,

677
00:39:59,885 --> 00:40:02,765
Speaker 1: not worth it. You know. They're like they were out

678
00:40:02,805 --> 00:40:05,365
Speaker 1: to get him. They tried he like murdered somebody, you know,

679
00:40:05,725 --> 00:40:08,325
Speaker 1: he was like stealing stuff, he was just a bad

680
00:40:08,325 --> 00:40:12,405
Speaker 1: guy anyway. So Giles, at this point eight eighty one

681
00:40:12,485 --> 00:40:15,725
Speaker 1: years old or something, he was attending the trials and

682
00:40:15,805 --> 00:40:18,925
Speaker 1: his wife is like, you probably shouldn't be going to

683
00:40:18,925 --> 00:40:22,445
Speaker 1: the trials. You have a past. The Putnam's are going

684
00:40:22,525 --> 00:40:24,285
Speaker 1: to be pissed at you, so like they're going to

685
00:40:24,365 --> 00:40:27,005
Speaker 1: come for you. So she's like trying to stop him

686
00:40:27,005 --> 00:40:30,205
Speaker 1: from going to the trials. So what does she do.

687
00:40:30,765 --> 00:40:34,285
Speaker 1: She hides his saddle so he can't go horseback riding

688
00:40:34,285 --> 00:40:38,445
Speaker 1: into town. I like, I don't know, that seems silly

689
00:40:38,485 --> 00:40:40,565
Speaker 1: because at this time everybody was just riding horses and

690
00:40:40,565 --> 00:40:41,845
Speaker 1: they should be able to ride bear back and it

691
00:40:41,845 --> 00:40:43,965
Speaker 1: shouldn't be that big of a deal. Yeah, I don't

692
00:40:43,965 --> 00:40:47,845
Speaker 1: know how far a town is, but like that that's whatever.

693
00:40:48,005 --> 00:40:53,605
Speaker 1: Did it stop him? Well, so this was very suspicious

694
00:40:54,205 --> 00:41:00,005
Speaker 1: of Martha to do, and so on March nineteenth, Martha

695
00:41:00,325 --> 00:41:03,525
Speaker 1: was accused of being a witch, oh because she took

696
00:41:03,565 --> 00:41:07,445
Speaker 1: the saddle. Yep. So members of the Putnam's would do

697
00:41:07,525 --> 00:41:10,685
Speaker 1: this thing. They would like to play the copycat game,

698
00:41:10,965 --> 00:41:13,525
Speaker 1: and they would just like kind of study Martha and

699
00:41:13,565 --> 00:41:17,445
Speaker 1: like her mannerisms and would like do kind of like

700
00:41:17,525 --> 00:41:20,045
Speaker 1: mimic her movement and stuff, and so they'd be like,

701
00:41:20,085 --> 00:41:23,085
Speaker 1: oh my god, there she's making me like move the

702
00:41:23,125 --> 00:41:26,285
Speaker 1: same way as her. Um, she's a witch. These people

703
00:41:26,325 --> 00:41:28,205
Speaker 1: don't sound like they were dealing with fungus. It sounds

704
00:41:28,205 --> 00:41:32,165
Speaker 1: that they were sociopaths. What a boring witch too, just

705
00:41:32,205 --> 00:41:36,285
Speaker 1: like they She didn't she hit a saddle like I

706
00:41:36,325 --> 00:41:38,205
Speaker 1: feel like if you were a witch, you would do

707
00:41:38,285 --> 00:41:44,205
Speaker 1: maybe something cooler. Well, Giles was like, you know what, Yeah,

708
00:41:44,245 --> 00:41:47,085
Speaker 1: she might be. She might be. And let me tell

709
00:41:47,085 --> 00:41:50,445
Speaker 1: you why he turned on his wife so fast, y'all.

710
00:41:50,965 --> 00:41:53,605
Speaker 1: He was like, you know what, here's the thing. Some

711
00:41:53,685 --> 00:41:56,685
Speaker 1: of our animals got sick, and she was praying, but

712
00:41:56,765 --> 00:41:58,765
Speaker 1: like you know, when you pray, like you should be

713
00:41:58,845 --> 00:42:02,205
Speaker 1: praying out loud, but she was like silently praying, So

714
00:42:02,885 --> 00:42:05,325
Speaker 1: I don't know what she was doing. She was probably

715
00:42:05,485 --> 00:42:09,565
Speaker 1: cursing our animals, obviously, And he was like, and she's like,

716
00:42:09,685 --> 00:42:12,885
Speaker 1: she like wasn't letting me go to the trials. So

717
00:42:12,965 --> 00:42:16,405
Speaker 1: he was like she you know, he was like, she's

718
00:42:16,405 --> 00:42:19,645
Speaker 1: a witch, not like a loyal, nice wife who is like, dude,

719
00:42:19,685 --> 00:42:23,605
Speaker 1: you're sus so don't go. Yeah, she was trying to

720
00:42:23,605 --> 00:42:26,405
Speaker 1: protect him and then he's like he turned on her

721
00:42:26,445 --> 00:42:30,645
Speaker 1: and was like, you're a witch. But then on April

722
00:42:30,845 --> 00:42:35,125
Speaker 1: eighth of sixteen ninety two, Giles Corey was charged with

723
00:42:35,165 --> 00:42:38,965
Speaker 1: witchcraft when Ann Putnam, who was a twelve year old

724
00:42:39,045 --> 00:42:44,045
Speaker 1: girl of obviously the Putnam group, clan, family, whatever, claimed

725
00:42:44,085 --> 00:42:46,845
Speaker 1: that he made her write some like weirdness or something

726
00:42:46,885 --> 00:42:51,125
Speaker 1: in a book. So he's then accused and then he's like, whoa, whoa,

727
00:42:51,485 --> 00:42:54,845
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not okay with these trials, like what you know?

728
00:42:54,845 --> 00:42:58,845
Speaker 1: What a quinkitting girl about them? A little too late, Giles,

729
00:42:58,845 --> 00:43:03,405
Speaker 1: just like Jojo says in that song. Yeah, He's like,

730
00:43:03,485 --> 00:43:05,965
Speaker 1: y'all are crazy. I'm not a witch, which is a thing.

731
00:43:06,005 --> 00:43:08,405
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. And so at

732
00:43:08,405 --> 00:43:11,725
Speaker 1: the trial, the Putnam's play the copycat game again, but

733
00:43:11,845 --> 00:43:15,045
Speaker 1: this time they're doing it in court. So they're like,

734
00:43:15,085 --> 00:43:17,365
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Giles, Like what are you doing

735
00:43:17,525 --> 00:43:20,765
Speaker 1: like this? You're going to literally practice witchcraft in court.

736
00:43:21,605 --> 00:43:24,885
Speaker 1: So they restrained Giles and they're like, don't be dumb.

737
00:43:25,245 --> 00:43:27,325
Speaker 1: But Jaws is like, guys, I'm not a witch. This

738
00:43:27,405 --> 00:43:30,765
Speaker 1: is silly, but he knew with his like sketchy past,

739
00:43:30,885 --> 00:43:32,565
Speaker 1: like in one of the things that his wife had

740
00:43:32,605 --> 00:43:34,245
Speaker 1: like kind of warned him off, I guess, and he

741
00:43:34,325 --> 00:43:36,125
Speaker 1: knew like the putnams were kind of like the more

742
00:43:36,125 --> 00:43:39,685
Speaker 1: powerful I think than like the porters. So he was like,

743
00:43:39,725 --> 00:43:41,925
Speaker 1: all right, I'm kind of screwed. I'm gonna die, so

744
00:43:42,245 --> 00:43:46,125
Speaker 1: I may as well die with pride. So he's like,

745
00:43:46,165 --> 00:43:47,565
Speaker 1: I'm just not going to speak and I'm going to

746
00:43:47,605 --> 00:43:50,885
Speaker 1: refuse to go to trial. Well, at that time, there

747
00:43:51,005 --> 00:43:55,005
Speaker 1: was this method to get people to speak, aka torture.

748
00:43:55,645 --> 00:43:59,365
Speaker 1: A cool method. It's a great method. Yeah, So what

749
00:43:59,405 --> 00:44:03,045
Speaker 1: they did was they stripped Giles down naked in the

750
00:44:03,085 --> 00:44:06,125
Speaker 1: middle of town. They laid a boy word on top

751
00:44:06,205 --> 00:44:09,845
Speaker 1: of him, and they would slowly put like these stones

752
00:44:10,005 --> 00:44:13,565
Speaker 1: on top, slowly increasing the weight until like he would speak.

753
00:44:14,125 --> 00:44:16,445
Speaker 1: But Giles was like he knew it, like he was

754
00:44:16,485 --> 00:44:18,445
Speaker 1: doomed and he was going to die anyway, so he

755
00:44:18,605 --> 00:44:23,965
Speaker 1: did not crack under the pressure. No pun intended, because

756
00:44:27,405 --> 00:44:29,685
Speaker 1: I think it was intended. I think you meant to

757
00:44:29,725 --> 00:44:33,005
Speaker 1: do that, pun did I got like that real excited,

758
00:44:33,045 --> 00:44:36,045
Speaker 1: like childlike face of joy. You know, I put in

759
00:44:36,125 --> 00:44:42,605
Speaker 1: my notes. He heat, but he was naked under a

760
00:44:42,725 --> 00:44:44,885
Speaker 1: plank with rocks on top of and it was like

761
00:44:44,925 --> 00:44:48,605
Speaker 1: eighty or eighty one. Here's my question. I feel what

762
00:44:48,645 --> 00:44:52,325
Speaker 1: do you call when little pieces of wood get like

763
00:44:52,405 --> 00:44:56,005
Speaker 1: stuck accidentally into your skin? Yeah? In Colombie we call esthidia.

764
00:44:56,165 --> 00:44:59,005
Speaker 1: But okay, I feel like his dick got splintered. Oh

765
00:44:59,325 --> 00:45:04,685
Speaker 1: I wonder if he had a boner, probably death boner. Well,

766
00:45:04,725 --> 00:45:07,325
Speaker 1: because he's so shitty. How you guys ever, consider that

767
00:45:07,365 --> 00:45:10,125
Speaker 1: this whole time, we're wrong about the Salem witch Trials,

768
00:45:10,125 --> 00:45:12,885
Speaker 1: and maybe we just like read because they had weird

769
00:45:12,925 --> 00:45:15,485
Speaker 1: cursive back then. Right, what if it was instead of

770
00:45:15,525 --> 00:45:18,085
Speaker 1: the Salem witch Trials, it was just the Salem bitch

771
00:45:18,165 --> 00:45:20,925
Speaker 1: Trials and they were just executing people who were bitches

772
00:45:20,965 --> 00:45:22,885
Speaker 1: because he seemed like a little bit of a bitch, right,

773
00:45:22,965 --> 00:45:25,605
Speaker 1: I mean that's ultimately what it was, I think, because

774
00:45:25,685 --> 00:45:28,165
Speaker 1: the Patnam's and the Porters were just accusing each other

775
00:45:28,365 --> 00:45:33,605
Speaker 1: of Yeah, witchcraft, Gabby, the quantum leaps that your brain

776
00:45:33,725 --> 00:45:39,005
Speaker 1: is making on this episode is astounding. I'm just very creative.

777
00:45:39,965 --> 00:45:42,765
Speaker 1: You got some good sleep last night. I got bad

778
00:45:42,885 --> 00:45:47,405
Speaker 1: sleep every day. Well that's my two hours, well only

779
00:45:47,485 --> 00:45:49,965
Speaker 1: like five, but in a fun and flirty way, just

780
00:45:49,965 --> 00:45:52,445
Speaker 1: because I was watching Ted Lasso and I hadn't seen

781
00:45:52,485 --> 00:45:55,125
Speaker 1: it yet, so oh I always not pick you for

782
00:45:55,165 --> 00:45:58,685
Speaker 1: a Ted Lasso fan. It. I liked it. It's very quaint.

783
00:45:58,885 --> 00:46:04,565
Speaker 1: I cried during it. Oh honestly, everyone, Gabby's I think

784
00:46:04,725 --> 00:46:08,765
Speaker 1: way more. Um, I think way into cuter things than

785
00:46:08,845 --> 00:46:12,325
Speaker 1: one would realize, like into Yeah, I'm a soccer for

786
00:46:12,405 --> 00:46:16,645
Speaker 1: toxic positivity. Yeah, yeah, very much, very much. So just

787
00:46:16,725 --> 00:46:20,325
Speaker 1: littered with live laugh, love. That's my whole life. I

788
00:46:20,405 --> 00:46:23,325
Speaker 1: love how this all started because I said that he

789
00:46:23,365 --> 00:46:27,925
Speaker 1: would never crack under pressure anyway. Anyway. Yes, so after

790
00:46:28,045 --> 00:46:32,285
Speaker 1: three days of this going down, he says, more weight,

791
00:46:32,445 --> 00:46:36,965
Speaker 1: more weight because he's like three days it was two

792
00:46:37,045 --> 00:46:41,325
Speaker 1: or three days. Oh no, and he's like more weight,

793
00:46:41,325 --> 00:46:43,485
Speaker 1: more weight because he's like, just go ahead and kill me,

794
00:46:43,525 --> 00:46:44,965
Speaker 1: because like I know what's going to happen, you know,

795
00:46:45,045 --> 00:46:48,165
Speaker 1: just let's just get it over with. So apparently as

796
00:46:48,165 --> 00:46:50,885
Speaker 1: he was getting crushed, his little tongue was like squishing

797
00:46:50,925 --> 00:46:53,925
Speaker 1: out of his mouth. Oh and the sheriff would like

798
00:46:54,405 --> 00:46:56,245
Speaker 1: had a stick and would just like poke it back in.

799
00:46:56,605 --> 00:47:00,205
Speaker 1: It'll really humiliating and gross, like just a gross detail.

800
00:47:01,285 --> 00:47:04,245
Speaker 1: That is a gross detail. Thank you, you're welcome. But

801
00:47:04,285 --> 00:47:08,805
Speaker 1: before his actual before he dies he says, curse you sheriff,

802
00:47:08,925 --> 00:47:16,925
Speaker 1: and curse you Salem. So since then his ghost was

803
00:47:17,205 --> 00:47:21,045
Speaker 1: has like allegedly been seen in town around like when

804
00:47:21,085 --> 00:47:24,725
Speaker 1: things were going awry, Like there were pretty much every

805
00:47:24,725 --> 00:47:29,485
Speaker 1: single sheriff died early of some like weird thing, oh

806
00:47:29,525 --> 00:47:33,845
Speaker 1: like a weird blood disorders, heart attacks, etc. And there

807
00:47:33,885 --> 00:47:37,245
Speaker 1: was like this huge fire um in Salem, which you

808
00:47:37,285 --> 00:47:39,965
Speaker 1: know he was seeing around then as well. So like

809
00:47:40,005 --> 00:47:43,565
Speaker 1: they think that he's like cursing the town, but it

810
00:47:43,645 --> 00:47:48,765
Speaker 1: really wasn't until nineteen ninety one, so not that long ago.

811
00:47:49,285 --> 00:47:51,645
Speaker 1: Nika still wasn't born yet, but not that long ago.

812
00:47:52,245 --> 00:47:56,485
Speaker 1: It was the sheriff's office moved out of town, and

813
00:47:56,645 --> 00:48:00,485
Speaker 1: since then it appears that the curse has been lifted.

814
00:48:01,365 --> 00:48:05,885
Speaker 1: So wow, because of the tongue thing, well, no, it

815
00:48:06,005 --> 00:48:09,365
Speaker 1: was because he well I mean maybe that's what triggered him. Well,

816
00:48:09,405 --> 00:48:11,565
Speaker 1: because it was wait, it was the pressure. It was

817
00:48:11,605 --> 00:48:14,605
Speaker 1: the sheriff of the time who did the push the

818
00:48:14,645 --> 00:48:25,525
Speaker 1: tongue back in, right, yeah, because he was like, okay,

819
00:48:26,765 --> 00:48:33,805
Speaker 1: all right, I'm done. Oh that's nasty, that's yep. Okay, Well,

820
00:48:33,925 --> 00:48:38,725
Speaker 1: thank you Taylor for that. Um, you're welcome. You know.

821
00:48:38,805 --> 00:48:40,685
Speaker 1: The tongue thinks just really got to me. We'll be

822
00:48:40,805 --> 00:48:48,085
Speaker 1: right back. Hi everyone, welcome back. This is an incredibly

823
00:48:48,125 --> 00:48:53,965
Speaker 1: in appropriate podcast. Wow. Okay, stop, okay, stop, we're moving on,

824
00:48:54,205 --> 00:48:56,965
Speaker 1: moving on. Fabby and I have lost it, literally done.

825
00:48:56,965 --> 00:48:59,445
Speaker 1: I'm scared to be haunted. God, please don't. Okay, let

826
00:48:59,565 --> 00:49:03,965
Speaker 1: this happen. Okay. So, I yes, extremely disturbing. I usually

827
00:49:04,045 --> 00:49:07,925
Speaker 1: loved torture stories, but Taylor, that little cherry on top

828
00:49:07,965 --> 00:49:10,725
Speaker 1: of the end was um was enough to make me

829
00:49:10,885 --> 00:49:14,965
Speaker 1: rethink being your friend. Okay, So I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

830
00:49:15,085 --> 00:49:17,685
Speaker 1: So I thought I was an angel. Well, this is

831
00:49:17,765 --> 00:49:20,165
Speaker 1: a little bit of a This is actually for you

832
00:49:20,525 --> 00:49:23,165
Speaker 1: because you did such an inappropriate joke. I'm going to

833
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Speaker 1: get into my tangent that I think you're going to hate.

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00:49:26,005 --> 00:49:31,005
Speaker 1: I'm mad already. Yeah. So, the ununfortunate one of the

835
00:49:31,045 --> 00:49:33,685
Speaker 1: many unfortunate parts about the Ceiling witch trials other than

836
00:49:33,765 --> 00:49:37,565
Speaker 1: here know everyone was getting death death, but we don't

837
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Speaker 1: really talk about this part is the fact that animals

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00:49:39,965 --> 00:49:42,605
Speaker 1: seem to have been a part of what was going

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Speaker 1: on there as well. So they have nothing to do

840
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Speaker 1: with it. They're innocent little babies. Yeah. Well, yes, so

841
00:49:50,565 --> 00:49:56,925
Speaker 1: you know, have you met my cat? He ain't innocent? Yeah, Jimmy.

842
00:49:57,565 --> 00:49:59,965
Speaker 1: We love Jimmy though. Um we all know. You know

843
00:50:00,125 --> 00:50:04,085
Speaker 1: the concept of familiars, which are basically like little household

844
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Speaker 1: pets that serve as witches companions. They're like meant to

845
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Speaker 1: be guides and protectors of witches and the witches. You know,

846
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Speaker 1: it said that they have very sacred connections with their familiars.

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00:50:17,245 --> 00:50:20,005
Speaker 1: This is like an ancient belief that, yeah, but I

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Speaker 1: have a connection with my daughter because you're a sacred connection.

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00:50:23,965 --> 00:50:27,605
Speaker 1: Yeah he might, maybe I'm aware. Wow, Okay, everyone with

850
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Speaker 1: an animal is a witch the end. Oh okay, okay, yes,

851
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Speaker 1: glad we're not in hysteria Salem anymore. So obviously ancient belief,

852
00:50:37,765 --> 00:50:40,765
Speaker 1: so everyone kind of like knew it as fact. So

853
00:50:41,045 --> 00:50:43,805
Speaker 1: of course the paranoid people from the Salem witch trials

854
00:50:43,925 --> 00:50:48,325
Speaker 1: they believed it, and famously they were not very logical

855
00:50:48,525 --> 00:50:53,325
Speaker 1: about it either. They both accused animals and also treated

856
00:50:53,445 --> 00:50:56,205
Speaker 1: the animals as victims at times, which was a very

857
00:50:56,285 --> 00:50:58,845
Speaker 1: interesting way of going about it, like that's not fair,

858
00:50:59,085 --> 00:51:01,965
Speaker 1: they can't stand up for themselves. Yeah, well, guilty versus

859
00:51:02,045 --> 00:51:05,085
Speaker 1: not guilty in Salem was a very complicated matter, I suppose,

860
00:51:05,125 --> 00:51:09,525
Speaker 1: because it just changed by the day, you know. So

861
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Speaker 1: there was like one dog in sixteen ninety two in andover,

862
00:51:14,885 --> 00:51:18,805
Speaker 1: um who was minding you know, their business, living life whatever,

863
00:51:18,925 --> 00:51:23,485
Speaker 1: chewing a bone I don't know, and this girl said, um,

864
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Speaker 1: that dog is looking at me weird and it is

865
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Speaker 1: trying to bewitch me. I can feel it, and like, listen,

866
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Speaker 1: I've stared into a labordoodle's eyes. I know. It's just

867
00:51:34,405 --> 00:51:38,525
Speaker 1: it is disturbing, but it's not bewitching. It might be scary,

868
00:51:38,685 --> 00:51:40,765
Speaker 1: but it's not like either're not actually trying to be

869
00:51:40,805 --> 00:51:42,725
Speaker 1: witch you, you know what I mean. Yeah, but she

870
00:51:43,005 --> 00:51:46,725
Speaker 1: like opposite witches because there's just nothing inside of that

871
00:51:48,765 --> 00:51:55,485
Speaker 1: and un speakable void. She hasn't complained of labradoodles for

872
00:51:55,605 --> 00:51:58,925
Speaker 1: like thirty episodes exactly, so give it to me, thank you.

873
00:51:59,645 --> 00:52:02,805
Speaker 1: So she accused the dog of witchcraft with a bitch,

874
00:52:03,245 --> 00:52:08,285
Speaker 1: and the villagers shot the dog immediately. No trial, no

875
00:52:08,525 --> 00:52:16,645
Speaker 1: trial the dog. No Oh dog court though. Oh I'm upset,

876
00:52:16,765 --> 00:52:18,725
Speaker 1: but no, just like what if all the jurors were

877
00:52:18,845 --> 00:52:20,805
Speaker 1: dogs and like they had a little lord, like a

878
00:52:20,805 --> 00:52:25,445
Speaker 1: little ruffle collar for the lawyers and stuff. Oh dog

879
00:52:25,565 --> 00:52:28,605
Speaker 1: court Oh my gosh, is this a TV show We're

880
00:52:28,605 --> 00:52:32,445
Speaker 1: about to do? Yes, so the minister. This is the

881
00:52:32,565 --> 00:52:34,885
Speaker 1: weirdest thing is if the minister later declared the dog

882
00:52:35,005 --> 00:52:38,485
Speaker 1: innocent because he said that if the dog was possessed,

883
00:52:38,605 --> 00:52:43,605
Speaker 1: it would have survived the gunshots. That's that works. It's

884
00:52:43,685 --> 00:52:47,605
Speaker 1: not um, you can't just like be like, oh, you're

885
00:52:47,645 --> 00:52:50,445
Speaker 1: a witch, kill them they die, and then you're like, oh,

886
00:52:50,445 --> 00:52:52,885
Speaker 1: I must not have been a witch, like exactly, because

887
00:52:53,005 --> 00:52:55,085
Speaker 1: then what's the point, you know, yeah, other than just

888
00:52:55,205 --> 00:52:57,205
Speaker 1: wanted to kill people, because like they would have still

889
00:52:57,285 --> 00:53:01,685
Speaker 1: stayed alive either way. So that's yeah, their logic was bad.

890
00:53:02,525 --> 00:53:05,725
Speaker 1: People were liars back then. That's why people well still

891
00:53:05,765 --> 00:53:09,205
Speaker 1: now but yes, yes, oh well but like about really

892
00:53:09,285 --> 00:53:12,405
Speaker 1: stupid stuff. Yeah, people live about really stupid stuff now,

893
00:53:12,445 --> 00:53:15,125
Speaker 1: so whatever, don't listen to me. Well anyway, so that

894
00:53:15,285 --> 00:53:18,365
Speaker 1: was weird logic. And like, for example, another weird thing

895
00:53:18,525 --> 00:53:20,525
Speaker 1: is like if pets are local animals they seem like

896
00:53:20,645 --> 00:53:24,605
Speaker 1: tired or sickly, they were immediately assumed to have been

897
00:53:24,765 --> 00:53:27,725
Speaker 1: ridden by witches at night, so they could go to

898
00:53:27,805 --> 00:53:30,445
Speaker 1: their witch meetings in the forest and they would say

899
00:53:30,485 --> 00:53:33,685
Speaker 1: that the animals were hag ridden. The night before, so

900
00:53:33,765 --> 00:53:36,125
Speaker 1: they just like assumed that their pets were being constantly

901
00:53:36,245 --> 00:53:38,365
Speaker 1: used by witches and that's why they were tired or

902
00:53:38,445 --> 00:53:41,925
Speaker 1: like sickly. Oh what if we rode our cats? I

903
00:53:42,005 --> 00:53:45,845
Speaker 1: would love to ride, or if they got bigger like

904
00:53:45,965 --> 00:53:49,925
Speaker 1: the cat bus and tow durell. That's literally my dream.

905
00:53:50,005 --> 00:53:53,525
Speaker 1: That is literally my dream in my world. And honestly,

906
00:53:54,205 --> 00:53:56,605
Speaker 1: I am so sad that it will probably never happen

907
00:53:56,925 --> 00:54:00,525
Speaker 1: and that just like deeply disappoints me about life. I oh,

908
00:54:00,645 --> 00:54:03,365
Speaker 1: my gosh, all I do is like watch fantasy shit,

909
00:54:03,445 --> 00:54:05,245
Speaker 1: and then I get mad that like I can't be

910
00:54:05,325 --> 00:54:08,325
Speaker 1: a fairy living under a mushroom, Like what the heck?

911
00:54:08,925 --> 00:54:11,525
Speaker 1: Why you look like a fairy. You'd be a cute fairy.

912
00:54:11,765 --> 00:54:14,685
Speaker 1: Thank you. I really appreciate that. I think I'd be

913
00:54:14,685 --> 00:54:17,005
Speaker 1: a great fairy. I want to be a gremlin who

914
00:54:17,085 --> 00:54:24,165
Speaker 1: lives under a bridge. I'm gonna say, wow, different people,

915
00:54:24,445 --> 00:54:28,005
Speaker 1: you're icorn. Oh you're a unicorn. You're a unicorn. You

916
00:54:28,045 --> 00:54:31,525
Speaker 1: are I am so happy. Okay, Okay, you're a unicorn

917
00:54:31,725 --> 00:54:36,325
Speaker 1: and a treasure. Okay, so you know weird weird shit

918
00:54:36,485 --> 00:54:39,925
Speaker 1: like that. Um. Actually, I have a little mini story

919
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Speaker 1: about Martha Corey, who was Giles's wife. The girls who

920
00:54:44,765 --> 00:54:47,605
Speaker 1: accused the witches during these trials, basically they would say

921
00:54:47,645 --> 00:54:50,325
Speaker 1: that they sometimes, they would say against the witches, they

922
00:54:50,365 --> 00:54:52,805
Speaker 1: would say that they saw visions of the witches with

923
00:54:53,045 --> 00:54:57,485
Speaker 1: very specific animals like dogs or dogs or um in

924
00:54:57,605 --> 00:55:01,525
Speaker 1: this specific case um yellow birds for some reason. So,

925
00:55:01,685 --> 00:55:05,205
Speaker 1: like they say, one of the girls who accused Martha

926
00:55:05,285 --> 00:55:08,965
Speaker 1: core they say that they saw Martha Corey with yellow

927
00:55:09,005 --> 00:55:12,165
Speaker 1: birds on top of her head and suckling on her fingers,

928
00:55:12,645 --> 00:55:14,525
Speaker 1: and that in like the fits that they would have,

929
00:55:14,685 --> 00:55:18,285
Speaker 1: they would see yellow birds. So of course I guess

930
00:55:18,605 --> 00:55:20,685
Speaker 1: because they saw that and they related it to Martha,

931
00:55:20,845 --> 00:55:24,405
Speaker 1: that meant that Martha was guilty. Yeah, obviously, Okay. Also,

932
00:55:24,525 --> 00:55:26,685
Speaker 1: another interesting fact that I did find about the Salem

933
00:55:26,725 --> 00:55:29,765
Speaker 1: witch trials is that another way that they would try

934
00:55:29,805 --> 00:55:31,325
Speaker 1: to figure out if someone was a witch or not

935
00:55:31,925 --> 00:55:35,485
Speaker 1: is like by checking their body for plumishes or like

936
00:55:35,685 --> 00:55:39,125
Speaker 1: weirdness on their bodies, because to them, that was like,

937
00:55:39,245 --> 00:55:41,325
Speaker 1: I think a way that evil would come in was

938
00:55:41,445 --> 00:55:44,365
Speaker 1: like via blemishes, which I'm like, bro, that sucks, Like

939
00:55:44,645 --> 00:55:46,405
Speaker 1: I got all kinds of evil in me? Yeah, I

940
00:55:46,485 --> 00:55:49,445
Speaker 1: got lots of I mean, I can't imagine their skin

941
00:55:49,605 --> 00:55:53,245
Speaker 1: care was that great. Back then, they didn't have like

942
00:55:53,405 --> 00:55:55,885
Speaker 1: seravi hydrating, moisturized or you know what I mean. Also

943
00:55:56,005 --> 00:56:00,445
Speaker 1: another thing is if they had so funny third nipples

944
00:56:01,005 --> 00:56:06,405
Speaker 1: were considered like the devil's nipple. Basically, anyone who had it,

945
00:56:06,685 --> 00:56:09,925
Speaker 1: the people immediately assumed that their familiars would suckle on it,

946
00:56:10,045 --> 00:56:12,485
Speaker 1: and that's where they would get their evil, devilish strength.

947
00:56:12,885 --> 00:56:15,885
Speaker 1: And also that like the devil himself would like suckle

948
00:56:15,925 --> 00:56:17,925
Speaker 1: on the third nipple, and therefore it was a sign

949
00:56:18,005 --> 00:56:20,565
Speaker 1: that that person was a witch that had a lot

950
00:56:20,645 --> 00:56:25,885
Speaker 1: of third nipples back then common phenomenon. Yeah, I think

951
00:56:25,885 --> 00:56:28,965
Speaker 1: it's more common than we think. I oh, yeah, I'm

952
00:56:29,005 --> 00:56:31,325
Speaker 1: sure it is. But anyway, so I just I found

953
00:56:31,365 --> 00:56:35,085
Speaker 1: that interesting. So things like suckling, we're we're also considering

954
00:56:35,125 --> 00:56:37,085
Speaker 1: kind of witchy. So of course this girl saying that

955
00:56:37,285 --> 00:56:39,725
Speaker 1: yellowbird is suckling on your on your on your hand

956
00:56:39,805 --> 00:56:42,525
Speaker 1: in my vision, you must be a witch. I think

957
00:56:42,565 --> 00:56:45,445
Speaker 1: if you have the vision though you're a witch, you

958
00:56:45,485 --> 00:56:48,925
Speaker 1: would think right, And whenever they would talk about the visions,

959
00:56:49,085 --> 00:56:53,925
Speaker 1: this is what they called spectral evidence. So like instead

960
00:56:53,925 --> 00:56:56,925
Speaker 1: of like her word against you know, whoever is, they

961
00:56:57,085 --> 00:57:00,405
Speaker 1: basically saw this as supernatural evidence according to the victim,

962
00:57:00,405 --> 00:57:02,765
Speaker 1: which is pretty terrible because it makes no sense because

963
00:57:02,885 --> 00:57:05,085
Speaker 1: there's that's not evidence. There's no way that you can

964
00:57:05,125 --> 00:57:08,285
Speaker 1: prove that, you know what I mean. Anyway, Twenty people

965
00:57:08,485 --> 00:57:12,725
Speaker 1: and two dogs were executed for witchcraft during the time

966
00:57:12,765 --> 00:57:15,965
Speaker 1: of the Salem witch Trials, which is horrible and bananas

967
00:57:16,685 --> 00:57:20,005
Speaker 1: and you know, all cursed in how they are and

968
00:57:20,085 --> 00:57:23,565
Speaker 1: how for my gosh, Taylor, I mean the people, not

969
00:57:23,685 --> 00:57:26,325
Speaker 1: the dogs. The dogs are in heaven, yes they are,

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00:57:26,645 --> 00:57:31,485
Speaker 1: so you know, sad little story to end this wonderful podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to this, you know,

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Speaker 1: fun and flirty episode. We will see you next week.

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Speaker 1: Cadavergals is a production of School of Humans and iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: It is hosted, produced, mixed, researched, etc. By Gabby Watts

975
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Speaker 1: and Taylor Church. You can follow us on Instagram and

976
00:58:03,205 --> 00:58:06,525
Speaker 1: Twitter at Cadavergals. Um leave us a comment, but only

977
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Speaker 1: if it's nice. We're sensitive people, Okay. Bye,