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Speaker 1: by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on, Bring

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic. You know, gentlemen, since there really are

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Speaker 1: only two kinds of pep full in this world, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna start with either or here Off the top of

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Speaker 1: Podcast Darren Urban Kyle Odegarde. You're either a good news first,

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Speaker 1: bad news last, or a bad news first, good news

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Speaker 1: last kind of guy. Kyle, you're smiling, Which one is it?

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Speaker 1: Let's go. I don't even think there's two options. It's

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Speaker 1: always bad news first, good news last. Who wants to

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Speaker 1: end on bad news? I gotta say that I would

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Speaker 1: always go bad news first and then good news with

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Speaker 1: the same thought process as Kyle. But I know I

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Speaker 1: would also dwell on the bad news, so it almost

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. So but because if you go the good

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Speaker 1: news first, it's kind of ruined by the fact, by

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Speaker 1: the specter of the looming bad news, right correct. Then again,

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Speaker 1: if you're a procrastinator and you know, you just don't

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Speaker 1: want to deal with, you know, you're kind of denial

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Speaker 1: life a lot. You know, maybe you do opt for

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Speaker 1: the good news first and then never really Troy quite

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Speaker 1: contend at the bad news. I'm not sure I'm psychoanalyzing it.

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Speaker 1: I'm just warning you guys that the bad news in

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Speaker 1: this entire episode of Cardinals Underground the podcast is coming

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Speaker 1: in three two one. When I make the observation, have

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Speaker 1: you guys noticed the striking resemblance between Zaban Collins and

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Speaker 1: a young Dwayne the Rock Johnson. And if there isn't

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Speaker 1: an exact resemblance the facial features, do you notice at

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Speaker 1: times during a press commence, Zaban will give you the

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Speaker 1: raised eyebrow. He'll raise that one eyebrow as if he's

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Speaker 1: Dwayne the Rock in the middle of the ring and

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Speaker 1: he's got the microphone in his hand. I'm like, come

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Speaker 1: on now, Honestly, does not anybody notice the resemblance here

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Speaker 1: between maybe Dwayne the Rock who was a Miami hurricane go.

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Speaker 1: I googled it up. I grew up a few pictures,

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Speaker 1: and I'm telling you it's real. I gotta be honest.

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Speaker 1: This feels like something that you would have done an

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Speaker 1: old school Poli podcast when you're actually in the locker

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Speaker 1: room getting sound for radio shows, and you'd bounce around

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Speaker 1: from guy to guy and ask him to do something.

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Speaker 1: I could just see walking up to Zavan saying, come on,

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Speaker 1: come on, you gotta say, can you smell what the

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Speaker 1: Rock is cooking? I could see you doing that to him.

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Speaker 1: I agree, but listen a bit more of a TV

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Speaker 1: story because you gotta have the visuals, Darren, right, you

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Speaker 1: gotta have the visuals to go along with it. That's true, Paul.

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Speaker 1: If the bad news is that he looks like the Rock,

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Speaker 1: bad news is that I'm starting the podcast with this question.

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Speaker 1: That's the bad news. That was my roundabout way of saying, hopefully,

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Speaker 1: in a pretty good spot at Zavan Collins. If the

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Speaker 1: not the case. John. I mean, I'm holding the roster

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Speaker 1: And Kyle, you know what, some football, any form of

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Speaker 1: he's playing in the slot against a really good wide out, Like,

429
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: you have to be prepared to be okay with that.

430
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Speaker 1: And Brandon Williams springs to mind. When he played it

431
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 1: didn't work out well, So I think you need to

432
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: trust those rookie cornerbacks. Yeah, Brandon Williams had all the

433
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: measurables in the world, didn't make him a great cornerback.

434
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Speaker 1: So yes, that is a that is an app comparison,

435
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: or at least a word of warning. The little bit

436
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 1: of info we got out of Cliff Kingsbury over the

437
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 1: rookie Minicamp weekend was that Marco Wilson is considered a

438
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: combo corner, can play insider out take Allen consider more

439
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: of an outside corner. So okay, that's a little bit

440
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Speaker 1: there on the Scatter Report. Hot take number one on

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Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals Underground brought to you by a

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Speaker 1: Pacific Office Automation, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. The

443
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Speaker 1: absolute key to the Cardinals two twenty one season is

444
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 1: Robert Alfred. Just the development of that reliable number two corner.

445
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: You're not gonna know what you have for sure, and

446
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: Marco Wilson to take Allen until you go into the

447
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 1: regular season. If Robert Alfred can actually recapture the form

448
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: we saw in training camp, especially two nineteen twenty twenty

449
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: before that was cut short, if he can stay healthy

450
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: for the first time since two seventeen, I mean, Darren,

451
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: come on, that's immeasurable. How far that would go in

452
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: terms of there are wants and needs with every team,

453
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: that's a dire need right now for the Cardinals. Well,

454
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: it's kind it kind of makes me smile a little

455
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: bit when you say Robert Alford's the key, because you

456
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: don't know what you have in Marco Wilson and take out,

457
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: and you don't know what you have in Robert Alford.

458
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Speaker 1: So I don't know why he would be any different. Now,

459
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: there's different reasons why you don't know what you have

460
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: in Robert Alford, but it's the same situation. And ultimately,

461
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of the issue that you have right now,

462
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: is is you know, assuming again Byron Murphy's your slot

463
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 1: guy and you're gonna go with Malcolm Butler as one

464
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,479
Speaker 1: year outside cornerbacks. You know, you just there's just so

465
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: much unknown going into this. And they signed Tay Hayes,

466
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 1: who's got a little bit of experience, but my guess

467
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: is that's a deep depth type of move at best.

468
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think you're expecting him to step

469
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: in and be a starter. And and you know, again

470
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,959
Speaker 1: we've talked about this a few times, where do they

471
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Speaker 1: stand with this? Will they possibly sign a veteran going

472
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Speaker 1: in camp? Will they wait to get through a good

473
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: chunk of camp and then decide then? I mean, they

474
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: signed Drake Kirkpatrick last year because of the injury to Alford,

475
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: but I want to say it was two years ago

476
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: there's been one of those years and all the camps

477
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,239
Speaker 1: are running together. When they did sign somebody, when they

478
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: started realizing the guy that they had brought in wasn't

479
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: gonna work, and it was a cornerback, and I'm forgetting

480
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: the names off the top of my head right now,

481
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: so forgiving Williams say, yeah, maybe that's what it was.

482
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what it was, But I mean, again, there's

483
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: a lot of moving pieces cornerback. You're fortunately in a place.

484
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: I mean, Drake Kirkpatrick wasn't a pro bowler last year,

485
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: but he did fine for what they needed and he

486
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: didn't come in until midway through training camp. I think

487
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: they could do the same thing again and you'll probably

488
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Speaker 1: have a preseason game hopefully for him to play, which

489
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: he didn't have last year. So I think they've got

490
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Speaker 1: some time to find another body if these guys don't

491
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Speaker 1: work out. But I think you get you're gonna to see,

492
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: like you said, Paul, you're gonna want to see what

493
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: Wilson and what Gowan and what Alford can do in

494
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: training camp. And you know, is that enough that you're

495
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: comfortable enough to have this as your group? And you

496
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: know what when you talk to players. I'm sure you

497
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: guys have had these conversations before. They know. They know

498
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: fairly early if a kid, whether it's a draft pick,

499
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: undrafted guy. Just ask the players. Players do know players,

500
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: and they'll be able to tell. A lot of them

501
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: say they can tell after one drill that's preposterous. I

502
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: still don't buy that. Others will tell you give me

503
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: one practice. I say give it one week. And I

504
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: think after that first week of training camp, most everybody

505
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: on the inside knows does this guy have a chance.

506
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: Could he be viable or no chance? We got to

507
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: start looking right now. And with the way the cornerback

508
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: situation stacks up, I mean, Marco Wilson looks like a

509
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: potential good player down the road. Maybe he needs to

510
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: or fine parts of his game, but he's the type

511
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: of guy that you want to keep on your roster

512
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: and don't want to risk losing. But maybe he needs

513
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: a year of development. Then all of a sudden, are

514
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: your number five and your number four cornerbacks actually your

515
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: safeties because Jayalen Thompson can play the slot and Buyer

516
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: Murphy could go outside. Buddha Baker can play the slot

517
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: if you really need him. I mean, Sean Williams is

518
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: here now, and you've got some pretty strong safeties, including

519
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: a couple that can play Nickel. So maybe even if

520
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: Robert Alford gets hurt, maybe a cornerback isn't next to

521
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: the line. Maybe it's one of those safeties. Tyron Matthew

522
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: did it for a long time. He was a safety

523
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: to bud He played Nickel and Buddha and Jaylen Thompson

524
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: can do it too, So maybe these rookies, if they're

525
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: not ready, that means a safety is going to be

526
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Speaker 1: your third cornerback. And then Byron Murphy is outside, right,

527
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: and that makes I mean, Murphy's played out there, and

528
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: obviously they made it clear that they prefer him inside,

529
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: but they've also made it clear multiple times and they'll

530
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: put him outside if need be. And that might just

531
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: be Kyle's right, that might just be the path they take.

532
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, all of what we're

533
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: talking about is kind of moot to a certain extent

534
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: because we're not taking that into account. Yeah, well, is

535
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: it okay if we're pulling for Tay Hayes, Willie Mays

536
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: Tay Hayes, Is that okamp We're we're pulling for him

537
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 1: in a shout out. Biggest major League fan ever are

538
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: Jim Almajundro. So I'm just gonna steal it right from him,

539
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: even though he didn't say it. I think we're on

540
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: the same page there. You know, we got some of

541
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: that ESPN going on, Willie Mays, Tay Hayes. You just

542
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: want to Tay Tay's in the cornerbacks room, Tay Gowen

543
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: and Tay Hayes. And it's right. You know, there's a

544
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: there's a don't Taste me dude in there somewhere. Don't

545
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: taste me bro. I think that was the famous meme, right,

546
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: don't chasee me bro? That isn't that the famous cut

547
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: from way back when? All right? So other takeaways from

548
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: the almighty twenty minutes we got to see of Rookie

549
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: Minicamp and I tweeted this out Rondale more even though

550
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: my photography is horrific and I didn't do a justice,

551
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: but just the legs on Rondale Moore. The old line

552
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: every day is leg day. Yeah, you know, until you

553
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: actually see it, I'm close, You're like, come on five

554
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: to seven, a buck eighty and he's squatting six hundred

555
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: plus pounds. Oh whendn't you see his legs? That's for real?

556
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: Come on, Yeah, you might have been expecting demere bird

557
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: or somebody who's very diminutive, diminutive and also skinny, but

558
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: you're right, Rondelle more quads or humongous. And I talked

559
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: to his trainer and talked to Rondelle a bit about

560
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: the draft, and he went into that first day thinking

561
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: he could still be a first round pick, even being

562
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: five to seven and missing some games. And when it

563
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: became apparent that he wasn't gonna get picked, he was

564
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: mad and kind of wondering what he should do to

565
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: expend some energy, and he decided to go to the

566
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: gym at one am, work out for like two and

567
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: a half hours until four am, and then go to bed.

568
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: And his trainer, Chris Vaughn, said the session was just outrageous.

569
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: He was just totally focused, said steam was coming off him.

570
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: He felt bad for those weights. So I think it's

571
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: it's a good look into Rondelle Moore and the type

572
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: of competitor he is. He was overlooked a lot growing up,

573
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: being five to seven and not being this star from

574
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: the age of six or anything, So I think it's

575
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: good to have that chip on his shoulder. And we've

576
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: seen guys come in here with great work ethics turned

577
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: into really good players. And I think when you draft

578
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: a guy like that, you know that he's always going

579
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: to give it his all. He's gonna be working hard,

580
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna be in the playbook. He graduated in two

581
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: and a half years, so I think they have high

582
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: expectations for Rondel Moore. I didn't realize that trainers are

583
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,719
Speaker 1: on call twenty four seven, like like an er surgeon.

584
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: I didn't quite realize that you're a trainer, you gotta

585
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: be ready for a one am, one to four. They

586
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: worked out Kyle, Yeah, he texted him and said meet

587
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: me a plan of fitness. If it was me, I'm

588
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: probably looking and putting that phone down and going back

589
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: to bed. But prompts to his trainer for getting up

590
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: and doing it, and he did some film of it.

591
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: So there's a there's a video within my article on

592
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: the Cardinals website where it's Rondale Moore working out at

593
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: one or two in the morning at Planet Fitness, and

594
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: then he worked out the next day, raced back to

595
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: his house, saw himself get drafted in the second round,

596
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: and that did more stuff that night. Okay, wow, all right,

597
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: well every day is leg day, then I guess every

598
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: overnight is you know, twice a day is leg day? Apparently,

599
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: my goodness. Okay, by the way, I don't mean to

600
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: be snide or snarky in this, I really don't Darren Sure,

601
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: can Rondale Moore catch? Can he catch? Did you see

602
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: did you see any of the receiver drills enough to

603
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: get a sense of his hands? Does he fight the football?

604
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: Does he have naturally soft hands? That's an honest question,

605
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: because a lot of these guys do have the measurables

606
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: and they are great in the combine, but hello, you

607
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: gotta catch the ball, and hopefully you're catching the ball

608
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: away from your body with your hands. I didn't see

609
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 1: him drop anything. I certainly didn't get enough, didn't get

610
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: to watch him enough to really get a sense of

611
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: if he's got soft hands. There was a couple that

612
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: he had off, you know, he was kind of catching

613
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: one end of the ball, I thought, But he didn't

614
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: drop anything, and he was definitely not body catching it.

615
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: So I feel like again from that one little time

616
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: that we got to see. I liked what I saw,

617
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: and I I just like how he's attacking this whole thing.

618
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: He's got this quiet anger to him that I guess

619
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: we heard a little bit about what is working out,

620
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: But like he is, I think, very very driven to

621
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: prove people that he can be successful. Now, I've been

622
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: around guys like that, and there are guys that have

623
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: been like that that can't do it for whatever reason.

624
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean they can't play, but they get hurt

625
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: or you know, they just doesn't come together for him.

626
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: And we talked about Indy Isabel a million times. Whatever

627
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: struggles Indy Isabel has had, it has nothing to do

628
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: with his work ethic. I think Isabella has worked his

629
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: butt off to try and become better. He just it

630
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,239
Speaker 1: hasn't come for him, and so that is possible. But

631
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: I do like how kind of Rundale Moore, how he

632
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: carries himself. And we will only have to see how

633
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: this kind of goes on. I mean, you know, are

634
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: we gonna I don't know how much we're actually going

635
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: to see in the offseason. I do anticipate training camp

636
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: hopefully being open for fans this year. Fingers crossed hard

637
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: on that, but I mean, I look forward to training

638
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: camp and I look forward to seeing him in a

639
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: couple of preseason games. I mean this is I don't

640
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: love preseason games, but I will say not having them

641
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: last year stunk because you do get a little bit

642
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: of a sense of some of the younger players in

643
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: the preseason games that you didn't get last year. And

644
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: I think ultimately the younger players got hurt too, but

645
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: I like being able to get that little bit of

646
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: gauge of where they are. Once again. That worked against

647
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons as well, and that you're not going to

648
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: get on the field unless the coaches trust you, and

649
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: if you have no reps, if you have no snaps,

650
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: even in a vanilla preseason game, the coaches have to

651
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: build that trust. So in the absence of any real evidence,

652
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: they went with the veterans. They aired on the side

653
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: of caution. And that's why DeAndre Campbell ended up starting

654
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: most of the season, at least the beginning of this season.

655
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: And you know what, he played pretty dang well for

656
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: about half of the season and then his production tailed

657
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: off a little bit and you got a little bit

658
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: banged up. But yeah, it's like anything in life. The

659
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: boss isn't going to give you the opportunity unless the

660
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: boss can trust you. Yeah, now we're at the point

661
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: where it's clear that Zavin Collins is going to be

662
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: relied on heavily this season, and they've said as much

663
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: about Rondale Moore. But it's more of a luxury position

664
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: on offense, where if you like what Aj Green and

665
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk and DeAndre Hopkins are doing, you can do

666
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 1: eleven personnel and maybe sprinkle Rondale more in if you want.

667
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: If he's great in training camp and in the preseason

668
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 1: and he's just this electric playmaker that was missing last

669
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: season at points, maybe you do more ten personnel and

670
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: you roll out four wide that we all thought we

671
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: were going to see consistently when Cliff Kingsbury got here.

672
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: But you look back at the last two seasons and

673
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: personnel wise, they didn't have the receivers to play like

674
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: that effectively. Now maybe you do. I mean, if if

675
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: Aj Green stays healthy and Rondale Moore comes on quickly,

676
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: do you like those four wide receivers better than a

677
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: tight end at times? And you got Max Williams, But

678
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: tight end is a question mark at this point, so

679
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: maybe you see more ten personnel this season see And

680
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: that's something I'm sorry, Paul, but I know we've talked

681
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: about that a million times in the run game and

682
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: Sean Coogler and this and that, and yet at this

683
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: point in the offseason, with how they've built their roster,

684
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: it feels a lot more like they're going to move

685
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: more back towards the ten personnel, doesn't it. Yes, In fact,

686
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: can I use Kyle's two words that he's most fond

687
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 1: of quote? I disagree? And I have you trademarked those words,

688
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: because I'd like to employ those two words. When you

689
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: attach the word luxury to Rondale Moore, two of the

690
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: last three drafts they've used a second round pick on

691
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: that player. I'm not sure the Cliff Kingsbury views that

692
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: as a luxury. I'd be more apt to say he'd

693
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: used it as a necessity, which is why they went

694
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: after the same type of player. And to Darren's point,

695
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: is that because they have designs on running more and

696
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 1: more ten personnel, was that the answer to the struggling

697
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: intermediate passing game and making teams pay for having two

698
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: high safeties much of last season. I think Rondale Moore

699
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: you get an argument from the guys who drafted him

700
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: that he's a luxury. No. I think that's a great point,

701
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: and I think more so that I don't think he's

702
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 1: an intermediate passing game. Addition, I think at this point

703
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: in their career is I think Christian Kirk can do

704
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 1: that better than Rondale Moore until he shows the intricacies

705
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: with the route running. He's just tiny, So intermediate route

706
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 1: out are gonna be harder when you're five to seven

707
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: to get open unless you're getting super separation. But I

708
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: do think the jet motion was missing a lot last season.

709
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: The bubble screens that were effective we're missing. I mean,

710
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: they threw a lot of them, but Larry Fitzgerald at

711
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: that stage in his career wasn't breaking a lot of tackles,

712
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: and Christian Kirk wasn't doing much on bubble screens. And

713
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: maybe Rondale More is that guy where you just get

714
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: him the ball quickly. Cliff Kingsbury wants to do the

715
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: quick passing game. I think that's ultra apparent from what

716
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: we've seen these first two seasons, but they have not

717
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: had those yat guys besides DeAndre Hopkins and Chase Edmonds,

718
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: and if Rondale Moore adds that, then you're one hundred

719
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: percent correct, Paul. Then he's not a luxury anymore. He's

720
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: a necessity. And I think that's a Prussian observation where

721
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: maybe Cliff Kingsbury feels like he needs this type of

722
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: player to really let his offense really go at full tilt,

723
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: and they've tried to find him and they didn't with

724
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: Andy is Isabella, and maybe Rondel Moore is that guy.

725
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: If I have the proverbial whiteboard the coaches use, and

726
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: I have the marker, I'm grabbing the marker and I'm

727
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: putting reminder to self offensive coaches, get the ball to

728
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: number eighty five in space. Just get the ball to

729
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 1: Rondelle Moore in space and get out of the way,

730
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: or get a hat on your man and let him work.

731
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: Weren't there a lot of metrics and analytics from his

732
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: one full season twenty eighteen where in space or getting

733
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: separation or making people miss he had stupid elite numbers

734
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: the way they track that right at the college level. Yeah,

735
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: it was the most miss tackles for the last few

736
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: seasons among wide receivers. And that's why I think he's

737
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: different than Andy Isabella. Where Andy Isabella is a deep threat,

738
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: he's got the elite straight line speed, but I think

739
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: Rondale Moore has that and also more of the jitterbug

740
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 1: ability in short areas where he can make guys miss

741
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: laterally more so than just vertically, And to me, that

742
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: was one of the main things missing last season. I

743
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: think Chase Edmonds did it, and I don't think you

744
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: had a lot of other guys among that small group

745
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: of skill players that should be designed like that, where

746
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: you get them the ball and they need to make

747
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: a guy miss in order to get the seven yards

748
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: and a lot of time it was a two or

749
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: three yard game because they didn't do it. And I

750
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: think that is the expectation with Rondale Moore, to get

751
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: him the ball and to let him go to work

752
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: and make guys miss. We just don't know if it's

753
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 1: get the ball to eighty five because his jersey number

754
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: right now. I do think it's tentative. I would not

755
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: be surprised if he ultimately could change it down the road.

756
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. Really wasn't the same name of

757
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: Rod Tidwell's going on there? Darren well, I know everybody

758
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,479
Speaker 1: wants to keep him in eighty five because it says

759
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 1: more on the back, But I mean, he's a rookie,

760
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: and I'm not one hundred percent sure when you look

761
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 1: at all the ability for all these guys to get

762
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: single and teams numbers, now that ranked ahead of them

763
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: in terms of that, I wouldn't be surprised if he

764
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: sees what what inventory might be available once we get

765
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: to final cuts and then maybe make a move. Then

766
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: that's just I don't know that for certain, but I

767
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: wouldn't be completely stunt if that happened. And I guess

768
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: I just want people to if they're really on the

769
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: Rondale Moore train, I don't. I don't know if they.

770
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: I want them going out and buying eighty five jersey

771
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: and they have a backfire. So true or false? There

772
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: are no more single digits left because they're not giving

773
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: out number eight, all respect to Larry Wilson. Correct, no

774
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: more single digits. Correct, it is retired, so they can't

775
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: I know, But yeah, all the single digits are taken

776
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: right now. Okay, you're not intimate. You're not intimating that

777
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: Rondale Moore might end up with number eleven. No, I'm

778
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: fairly certain eleven's not going anywhere, and I don't think

779
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: Rondel Moore would be able to get four, which is

780
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: what he wore in college, because I don't think Andy

781
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: Lee's going anywhere either. M Well, if they would have

782
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: taken a punter in the seventh round like I suggested,

783
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: you know, I walked him right into that, didn't I

784
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 1: you know what, and we see Rondell Moore, that's on Kyle.

785
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell him, you know, I ALVC consulting through

786
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: that out there. Kyle shot it down. I think the

787
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: war room got cold fate, uh, you know, fearing blowback

788
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: from Kyle, and so otherwise four would be available. So

789
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: that's on you, Kyle. Go tell Rondelle more of that,

790
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: and then we'll go have a conversation with Andy Lee.

791
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: How you wanted him off the team for a seventh

792
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: round punter. I'm also no, I wanted competition. I just

793
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: wanted competition. Just back to squad Andy. So wait a minute,

794
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: you're you're you're saying, you're not saying, you know you

795
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: did bring up your I'm not saying Rondel Moore would

796
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: get eleven, But are you now Paul Calvc reporting that

797
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: eleven would even be available. Oh absolutely not. No, you're

798
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: just checking. I wasn't sure we to that point in

799
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: the podcast. Well no, but insider Tay Gowen uh threw

800
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: that picture out there of Larry Fitzgerald's locker and it's

801
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: full not I mean it's it's ready. It's regular season ready.

802
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: Larry's locker is more ready for the regular season than

803
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: he is right now. And take gow on the Insider

804
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: sent that picture out on Instagram, so Boom more than ever.

805
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: Like I told you guys last week, you know, I

806
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: talked to someone who said they're not sure Larry's really

807
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: sure yet. And I'll tell you what I am sure

808
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: of that I don't think Larry's gonna walk away from

809
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: the game. If he still thinks he has game left Boom,

810
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm leaning heavily towards him coming back. I think it's funny,

811
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: like I thought for a minute that you're saying. What

812
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: I know for sure is he's not going to walk

813
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: away if he knows he has three sticks of deodoring

814
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: his locker that he hasn't taken out. I feel confident

815
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: that Larry has his own confidence that if he decided

816
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: to retire. He has access to the building to come

817
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: get like a couple of packages and a picture of

818
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: his kids, and you know, his leftover toothbrush if he

819
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: really needed it. That's just me. So my question would

820
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 1: be does it look the exact same as it did

821
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: the day after the red season finale last year as

822
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: to now or have there been things added to the locker.

823
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: I think that's what you have to investigate, Paul, if

824
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: he's if he's brought stuff in, brought in some cleats,

825
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: I think you're onto something. If if we have a

826
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: picture from the last day of the regular season and

827
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: it looks identical, you might not have much evidence from that.

828
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: You know what, we lose to the pandemic again, because

829
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for the pandemic and we had media

830
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: access to the Cardinals locker room, we could go to

831
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: the week seventeen footage of Larry's interview with the media

832
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: and then we could compare and contrast is still frame

833
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: of his locker and see if it's identical, what's in,

834
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 1: what's out? How does it compare. Has he been there

835
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: recently to work out is he you know, as he

836
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: moved some new stuff in for the coming season. We

837
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: have no idea. Now, check out the Pruter film from

838
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: the second angle. I think the same thing. That's right.

839
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: So you guys are completely dismissing the picture that Tay

840
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: Gowan sent out. And I do believe he also intimated

841
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: that he's looking or to competing against the great Larry Fitzgerald.

842
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: I mean, in the words of the great American philosopher

843
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: Stephen Colbert, you know what that means probably something I mean,

844
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: I would appreciate the fact. I mean that he's excited

845
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: that Larry Fitzgerald could be in the locker room. But

846
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: with all due respect to take Allen, I feel confident

847
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: that the knowledge of take Owen and what might happen

848
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: with Larry Fitzgerald is probably less on his end than

849
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: it would be like potentially from our end. That's just me,

850
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: I hope that's That's not really my ego talking. I

851
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: think that's just facts. Okay, all right, well we'll see

852
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: you know. You see, by the way, since we've sort

853
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: of been reversed engineering the Larry thing, we've eliminated the

854
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: Buccaneers because of the signing Antonio Brown. Did you see though,

855
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: that Tom Brady has a small problem that Derek Jeter

856
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 1: sold off the mansion that Tom Brady Incorporated was leasy?

857
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: Did you see that he was ning that out? Anyway?

858
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: Jeter sold it for twenty two million plus, so was

859
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: listed for twenty nine They talked him down to a

860
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: cool twenty two million. Sold that off if you do

861
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: a little more digging at least the story I saw.

862
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: Apparently Tom and his wife who Gazelle Bunchin, who makes

863
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 1: more than him, have recently purchased land on an exclusive

864
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: island off Miami to build a home there. So their

865
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 1: next estate is going to be on their own island

866
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: off of Miami. So that's how you do Florida. First

867
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: of all, in this housing market where everybody's getting crap

868
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: ton more money for their house, how is Derek Jeter

869
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 1: selling it for seven million? Underlist? What's he doing? Darren?

870
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: You're the one who confirmed that Larry in twenty fifteen

871
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: bought a house in PV for like three million. It

872
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: just recently flipped it for fifteen Okay, Because he's Larry

873
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald and he just keeps winning at life. As Cliff

874
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: Kingsbury said, are you kidding me? Five years later, six

875
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: years later, he sells it for five times what he

876
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: paid for, so that that that's Larry being Larry. Are

877
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: we are we positive that Larry Fitzgerald didn't buy that

878
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: house and kicked Tom Brady out and now he's going

879
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 1: to be a slot receiver in Tampa? Did you see

880
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: who bought it? No? I know that the buyer has

881
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: not been revealed as of yet according to the O,

882
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: and maybe maybe somebody else is going ten personnel next

883
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: season two. Mm. Well, once again, Kyle fits in with

884
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: the rest of our theory that Larry already knows the

885
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: Buccaneers playbook so he can wait till the last minute

886
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: to actually show up. He knows Ba's offense cold. You

887
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: can refresher on his own with a tablet or what

888
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: have you. Probably still has a copy at home a

889
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: Ba's playbook. We know it hasn't changed, So come on

890
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: out right. He got a good deal on the real estate. Yeah,

891
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: he got a good deal on the real estate, which

892
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: is right up his alley, all coming together, right? Why

893
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: did he sell in the first place, Boom to buy

894
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: the house in Tampa? You're right, absolutely, you're apply right,

895
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: So there we go. I'm just looking here to see

896
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: if I had any more hot takes. There is anybody

897
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: else with a hot take as long as we're rolling here.

898
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: Those are pretty hot, right there, Those are pretty hot.

899
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: I don't I forgot my oven Mits. Actually I do

900
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: have one more? Can you guys handle one more? Do

901
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: we have a choice? Cardinals at Browns. I've come to

902
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: the conclusion here in the last few days is a

903
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 1: potential super Bowl preview. That's where I'm leaning right now. Cardinals,

904
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: Browns potential super Bowl preview. I base this on a

905
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: lot of people who know a lot more about football

906
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: than me, calling the Browns roster maybe the most talented

907
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: in the NFL from top to bottom. So boom, just

908
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: mark it down the whole Cardinals, Browns, Melee Kyler against Baker.

909
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: That could be a preview of wherever super Bowl the

910
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: super Bowl is this year? What is the super Bowl

911
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: fifty four? Where is it? La? I think so? Yeah,

912
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: I forget the oven Mits. I needed like one of

913
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: those radioactive suits for that take. I mean, je's them

914
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: coming coming hard. That's like, that's like my son after

915
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: the schedule came out and he goes, Dad, the Cardinals

916
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: are going fourteen and three. I'm telling you right now,

917
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: fourteen and three. I'm like, okay, yeah, I hope you're right. Well,

918
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: you know, me and your son in May you know,

919
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: some people waited until August, right before the regular season,

920
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: but you know, sometimes being uh what was the word

921
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: you use there, Kyle, pression? You know, being pression. You're

922
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: not sure I could define it and or pronounce it,

923
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: but you know times two with another hot take in

924
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: May Hey, if you hit on that, we're gonna find

925
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: this clip from It's gonna be eight months prior. I'll

926
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: remember Cardinals Brown super Bowl? Did you so, did you

927
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: make that prediction or did somebody else? That's that's you

928
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: owning that. No, No, that's me get hearing a lot

929
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: of the props on the Browns and just thinking, you know,

930
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: the whole year three and uh, you know, we saw

931
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: what happened with Baker and Josh Allen a year ago

932
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: and me not buying a lot of this noise in

933
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: the NFC right now. You know, there was another thing

934
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: that came out was CBS Sports and go ahead, Darren,

935
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: let me find this. Then you go ahead. What were

936
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: you gonna say? I was just gonna say, it's kind

937
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: of funny talking about these predictions. That reminds me of

938
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: a story once upon a time two thousand and eight.

939
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: I'm sure people remember that season where the Cardinals stayed

940
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: back east between playing Washington and then playing the Jets

941
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 1: the famous and Quan Bolden broken jaw game. And we

942
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: were back in Virginia that whole week. And on Monday,

943
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 1: Ken Wissenholt was talking to a bunch of us, including

944
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: regular media who traveled, and said, you know, this week

945
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 1: is good because it gives us preparation for when we

946
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: have to spend a week in Tampa for the Super Bowl.

947
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: And I was careful, because you know, I'm working for

948
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: the team. I don't want to, but I know Kent

949
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: Summers at the time kind of rolled his eyes a

950
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:56,479
Speaker 1: little bit and that the next night, me and three

951
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: people I work with, I will leave them unnamed right now.

952
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 1: We actually, after dinner we started having a discussion about

953
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: who would get a Super Bowl ring if at the

954
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: table if the Cardinals won the Super Bowl. We were

955
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: talking about making the Super Bowl and it was like

956
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: we just played Week three and it's like, really, we're

957
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: talking about the Cardinals being in the super Bowl. And

958
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: then lo and behold, a few months later, we were

959
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl. So I'm not going to completely

960
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: dismiss Paul, even though I normally like to, I'm not

961
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: going to in this case. I wasn't the guy diving enough?

962
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: Who's getting a ring in Week four? I mean, I

963
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: mean you call me or responsible in May? I mean, wow,

964
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: you guys advanced that pretty quickly. You know that that

965
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 1: escalated quickly in the words are Ron Burgundy. So here

966
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: was CBS Sports dot Com. Five playoff teams that will

967
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,439
Speaker 1: fail and fall short this year Titans. Oh, that would

968
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: bode well for the Arizona Cardinals. In Week one, Steelers, Saints, Bears,

969
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: Packers once again. How the Saints got five primetime games?

970
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: I have no idea, especially when they're going to be

971
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: a non playoff team according to CBS Sports. Then the

972
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: five non playoff teams that will make the leap into

973
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: the postseason, You're ready, Chargers, Niners, Cowboys, Patriots, Vikings. Three

974
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: of the five are in the NFC, and none are

975
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: named the Arizona Cardinals. Kyle, I definitely see the logic

976
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: behind that. I think all those five are regression candidates,

977
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: and I think the Vikings I'm not sure. I mean,

978
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: I can see them not making it, but they had

979
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: a lot of advanced statistics that portended some good things.

980
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: And obviously the Niners makes sense. The Patriots, I don't

981
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: know about them, but the rest of that list I

982
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: think is pretty good. I think you could make certainly

983
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 1: the case for the Cardinals to make the playoffs, considering

984
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: how close they were and how much they've built up

985
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: the roster. I think the rosters as healthy as it's

986
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: been since the twenty sixteen seasons. So I don't think

987
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: you can discount the cardinals chances. But everybody looks at

988
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 1: the division and says, you've got six games aimes against

989
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: the Rams, the Seahawks, and the forty nine ers, And

990
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: what if you go two and four or one and

991
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 1: five against those teams. You're on such an uphill battle

992
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: the rest of the way. So if the Cardinals can

993
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: tread water into division and go three and three, then

994
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: I think it's a definite possibility. But I think a

995
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: lot of people are looking at that schedule and saying, yeah,

996
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: we like the Cardinals, but we like those NFC West

997
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: teams too, when we think they're all going to kind

998
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: of beat up on each other. So when I go

999
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: with the hot take and you put on the oven

1000
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: mits and I say Cardinals Brown super Bowl preview. That

1001
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: is predicated on coming out of your own division obviously,

1002
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: and then if you do, whoever comes out of the

1003
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: NFC West, guess what, you are playoff ready. Absolutely, you

1004
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 1: are playoff tested, battle tested. And with that Week twelve

1005
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: by getting you ready for the postseason run, boom. It

1006
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: all comes together right there on the schedule. I mean,

1007
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: you've got Kyler Murray and on defense you have Chandler

1008
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: Jones and JJ Watt up front and just those three guys, Like,

1009
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: if all those guys play at their peak, you're gonna

1010
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: have a really good team. And that's the question. Is

1011
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray gonna take that next jump to star status

1012
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: and ken Chandler Jones and JJ Watt be the players

1013
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: that they were a couple of years ago. I mean,

1014
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: you're talking about two former NFL Defensive Players of the Year.

1015
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: It's not a stretch to think they can be dominant,

1016
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: but at their ages it's still a question mark. So

1017
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: beyond everything we talk about, I mean we analyze everything

1018
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: on this podcast obviously and looking at the minusha, but

1019
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: what do those three players do and if all of

1020
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: them play well. I think the ceiling for this team

1021
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: is pretty high, all right, So let's leave it at this.

1022
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit you guys upside the head. I'm gonna

1023
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: earhole you guys, as they say in football, your biggest

1024
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: fear right now and or the Cardinals' biggest weakness right

1025
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: now going into this season. For example, the CBS Sports

1026
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: dot Com crew said, you know why Cardinals aren't a

1027
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,720
Speaker 1: playoff team? Why what do you think the national media

1028
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 1: is looking at with the Cardinals and not believing in

1029
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: their biggest liability, Darren, What do you think? I think

1030
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 1: right now? It's consistency on offense. I mean, I think

1031
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: they've added some pieces that can help them, but it's

1032
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: got to be shown on the field. We got They're

1033
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: gonna have to get something out of AJ Green that

1034
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: we haven't seen from AJ Green in a little while.

1035
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to have Rondel Moore play well right away,

1036
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to have Christian Kirk stay healthy

1037
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: and player role I think, and James Connor for that matter,

1038
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: I think, and having Kyler take kind of that next

1039
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: step where he can really kind of take over a

1040
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: game more consistently. Than he has, so I think ultimately

1041
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: that's that would be my number one thing going into it.

1042
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: I mean there's other spots cornerback, all that stuff, but

1043
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: that's that's what pops into my head of what will

1044
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: end up being the rudder that pushes this ship that

1045
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: is the twenty twenty one season and whatever direction it's

1046
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: going to go. I think the biggest questions when you

1047
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: look at this team is can they throw the ball

1048
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 1: efficiently game in and game out because the intermediate passing

1049
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: game was missing last season. And on the flip side,

1050
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: can you defend the pass? With these question marks at cornerback?

1051
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: And those are the two most important things in the

1052
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: NFL is how you throw the ball and how you

1053
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: defend the pass. And that's why I think there's the

1054
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: reason why will they make the playoffs. And you have

1055
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: to be a good passing team in the NFL, even

1056
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: if you can run the ball, and I think we

1057
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: saw that last year where they were pretty good running

1058
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: the ball, but sometimes the passing game wasn't there and

1059
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: it ended up in about a five hundred season. So

1060
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,959
Speaker 1: to me, can they stop the pass? Can they throw?

1061
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: If those two places both improved this year, then I

1062
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Speaker 1: think they'll outperform the outside expectations. And I could use

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Speaker 1: the words I disagree inside how they were in the

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Speaker 1: bottom third to run defense. And the only time the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals offense is truly when they've been running the ball.

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Speaker 1: You know, we get we're not going in there. I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna say this, and it's kind of akin to

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Speaker 1: what Darren said, and that is there are just so

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Speaker 1: many guys that have been playmakers but are now question marks.

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Speaker 1: Players make plays, and making those plays in the NFL

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Speaker 1: makes all the difference. Aj Green once upon a time. Yes,

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Speaker 1: even Chandler Jones five games into last season, what did

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Speaker 1: he have one sack? So I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: the outsiders are looking at some of the big names

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Speaker 1: and wondering if they still have big game to go

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Speaker 1: along with it. And I think the answer to that

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Speaker 1: question is going to dictate the outcome of this season.

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Speaker 1: And you smile, Kyle, because you know, ultimately it comes

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Speaker 1: down to those players making those plays and guys who

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Speaker 1: have proven to be able to do it in the past,

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Speaker 1: are they still going to be those guys to be

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Speaker 1: that productive? Here a lot of them thirty plus years

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Speaker 1: of age. We're agreeing a lot of this podcast, Paul,

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Speaker 1: And that's what I was the other part I was

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Speaker 1: thinking in my mind when you asked, is that I

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Speaker 1: was either going to go with the past game stuff

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Speaker 1: or can the former stars find that past glory? And yeah,

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Speaker 1: AJ Green, JJ Watt, Chandler Jones. And then you know

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Speaker 1: some guys that are that are solid, like Rodney Hudson

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Speaker 1: and Justin Pew they're in that thirty year old range.

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Speaker 1: And some guys continue to play great through thirty two,

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Speaker 1: thirty three, thirty four, and other guys can break down

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Speaker 1: quickly in the NFL. And it's like you said, it's

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Speaker 1: kind of the great unknown, how all these established veterans

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Speaker 1: a little bit past their prime are gonna look And yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you get good seasons out of most of those guys,

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Speaker 1: you're going to be in good shape because of what

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Speaker 1: they've shown. I mean, the track record is awesome and

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Speaker 1: now they just have to duplicate that in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: So you guys are saying you do agree with my

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Speaker 1: assessment that Zaman Collins as a lot of similar facial

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Speaker 1: features to a young play Rock Johnson. Is that what

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Speaker 1: you're saying? Are we in complete agreement on this I

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Speaker 1: will set brought to you by Pacific Office Automation. I agree,

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Speaker 1: are we? I would agree? I guess I should just

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Speaker 1: be happy that you didn't say you saw a lot

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Speaker 1: of similarities and looks between you and Zaven Collins trying

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Speaker 1: to talk about how you're looking like a chiseled twenty

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Speaker 1: three year old or whatever he is. So I'll give

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Speaker 1: you that one. I feel like the rock isn't a

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Speaker 1: terrible You're not terribly off with that. I'm telling you.

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Speaker 1: Look for the eyebrow raise. That's that's the key right there,

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Speaker 1: the eyebrow raise. Just look forward to during the next

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Speaker 1: press comments. And no, I wouldn't be even be confused

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Speaker 1: for a minime version of Zaven Collins, So there's no

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Speaker 1: risk of that happening whatsoever. And that would be the end.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, next time, we can't if it's

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Speaker 1: sweeps months, we can't agree so often, Kyle, Okay, we

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Speaker 1: can't have it. If there's sweeps and ratings or at stake,

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Speaker 1: we can't agree so often. Let's not have that happen again.

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Speaker 1: This whole podcast felt weird when I kept on nodding

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Speaker 1: my head instead of shaking it vigorously. Every time you

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Speaker 1: made a point. It's right. We gotta go back into

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Speaker 1: the into the drawing room here and make a few

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Speaker 1: adjustments and tweak this engine again, you know, go back

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Speaker 1: to your dump takes fall. Yeah, that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 1: I put the thing up in blocks. Will be next

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Speaker 1: week with a rebuild engine on Cardinals Under the Ground.