1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: You're listening to Seahawks stories, teaking you behind the scenes 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: with your favorite Seahawks. 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 2: Set back to Bey and Zorn, who's back to pass 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: as time looks for the left side line, throws a 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 2: bomb down there, he's got a man in front. 6 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 3: He makes the grab a treble. 7 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: It's a thirty down. 8 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 4: Of the twenty. 9 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 2: They'll never get him. He scores touched. 10 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: Down Seahawks powered by Seahawks Dot. 11 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: Com and Zorn later in perfectly a Rabel who goes 12 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 2: in to score on an eighty yard pass and run play. 13 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: Now, here's your host, the voice of the Seahawks, Steve 14 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: Rabel and Seahawks legend Jim Zorn. 15 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Well sorry, we were laughing as that 16 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: was playing. First of all, because our guest today, Ray Roberts, 17 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: former Seahawks offensive tackle. I don't know that he's ever 18 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: heard that, and it's I think he finds it remarkable. 19 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 4: That we Actually I was watching he was going Steve Rabel. 20 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 5: Yeah, and they looked at me. They said, I get 21 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 5: they'll never catch him. I'm like, man, I guess Steve 22 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 5: has some yet. 23 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: By the Jim during a commercial that made me laugh, 24 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: he said, what did you say like, well, perfect path. 25 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 4: Pete said, yeah, he laid it in there perfectly, and 26 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 4: darn right I did. 27 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 6: Okay. So that's how we start this day on Seahawks. 28 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: And it dawns on me as I have listened back 29 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: to a few of our of our shows, Jim, that 30 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: I don't do a very good job in kind of 31 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: introducing everybody. I just sort of assume everybody knows everybody, 32 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 2: and we just go. 33 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 6: So in honor of that. 34 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: As you all know, Jim Zorn Ring of honor member, quarterback, 35 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 2: first quarterback for the Seahawks, one of the record setters 36 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 2: for this franchise for so many years, and our guest 37 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: today a young man at least in relation to Jimmy me, 38 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. That's okay. You won't be for long, 39 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 2: but that's okay. Is Ray Roberts, offensive lineman, first round 40 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: draft choice ninety two, yes, ninety two for the Seahawks, 41 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: went on to play for the Lions as well and 42 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: block for the incomparable Barry Sanders. All that we can 43 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: talk about in just a bit, but we haven't had 44 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: a kind of a conversation in a couple of weeks. 45 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 6: Everything good for you. You were talking Steve, our buddy 46 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 6: Largent the other day. Everything's good. 47 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 7: Yep, Steve just got back. He and Terry went off 48 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 7: to Maui in Hawaii and had a big time there 49 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 7: with some friends from Tulsa. I don't know why, but 50 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 7: he and Terry love Tulsa. And I'm not saying that 51 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 7: it's not a great place to live. It is, except 52 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 7: it's harsh weather. 53 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 6: Oh my goodness. 54 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 7: When I was talking to him, he said, zee, man, 55 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 7: the wind has been blowing thirty miles an hour plus 56 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 7: for the last three days, and I'm supposed to get 57 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 7: on my bike and go ride. And he said, you 58 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 7: just can't. You can't look forward to that. Plus you 59 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 7: can't even do it when the wind's blowing that hard. 60 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: Well, and it's in the middle of like Tornado Alley 61 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 2: or something. 62 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 6: I mean, they have ferocious tornadoes. 63 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: Come through that area, and you know, depending on what 64 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: you believe in this world today, but it's only going 65 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: to get worse. So I wish him and Terry and 66 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: all those folks back there. 67 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 7: But this is a great segue actually into Ray Roberts. Yeah, okay, 68 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 7: because he is from Asheville. 69 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. 70 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 4: Do you still have family there. 71 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, so my whole family still lives there. 72 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 5: My my three older sisters lived there, all my aunts 73 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 5: and uncles and things like that. So uh yeah, it 74 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 5: was quite the disaster there. Like even now they still 75 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 5: don't have Like I just talked to my sisters yesterday, 76 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 5: they don't have water that they can consume. So even 77 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 5: if you boil it, they still want They're still waiting 78 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 5: for it to get uh filtered, all the bacteria and 79 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 5: stuff that. 80 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 4: Can you go to stores and purchase things. 81 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 5: Or starting to get that way. Where do There's some 82 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 5: stores that are that were that didn't get demolished, and 83 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,839 Speaker 5: there's other stores that have. So there's still like uh 84 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 5: stations that get resources like toilet paper or. 85 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 3: Bottled water or diapers. 86 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 5: Or soap or you know, like the most rudimentary things 87 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 5: that you need for survivor to live. People still need 88 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 5: those types of things. 89 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: Any I'll will hate to ask, but any losses as 90 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: far as your family or your friends, close friends back there, 91 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: in terms of loss of life, loss of homes, those 92 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: sorts of things. 93 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 3: Uh, some people lost homes. 94 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 5: My sisters were didn't lose any of their property, but 95 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 5: things got damaged. 96 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 3: But I do I just talked to my sister yesterday. 97 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 5: It was a couple of friends that were missing, and 98 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 5: unfortunately they found them, you know, you know, deceased. Uh 99 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 5: you know, you can tell that they've just got swept 100 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 5: up with all the water and stuff like that, and 101 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 5: just probably I don't want to put any blame on them, 102 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 5: but probably should have gotten out a little sooner. But 103 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 5: it was just really devastating, you know, and just the 104 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 5: the simplest way to put it is that like there's 105 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 5: this Mount Mitchell is like the one of the it's 106 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 5: like about six thousand foot elevation. Our reservoir is about 107 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 5: one thousand feet below that. Well, then that reservoir overflowed 108 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 5: and then so you have thirty inches of water traveling about, 109 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 5: you know, one hundred miles an hour down another four 110 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 5: thousand feet to the city. So it just wiped out 111 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 5: everything in his path, froze bridges, houses, buildings, cars, I 112 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 5: mean whatever it was. 113 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 7: It just they described how quickly the water went up 114 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 7: or was it just a big wave that just came through. 115 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 5: It was like a constant flow of water for a 116 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 5: couple days for come and like Ashvill is right in 117 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 5: the middle of all the mountains, so usually when storms 118 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 5: come the mountains break it all up. You maybe get 119 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 5: some rain and some high winds, but never you know, 120 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 5: a hurricane down into the valley and so it's like 121 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 5: putting a hurricane in that water bottle. It had nowhere 122 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 5: to go then, so it just destroyed everything. And the 123 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 5: last time we've had an event like that and Ashwell 124 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 5: was like nineteen sixteen or something like that. 125 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 3: So none of. 126 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 5: The infrastructure was designed to handle that type of stuff. 127 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 5: A lot of old roads and old towns back up 128 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 5: in the mountains and things. Some of those places just 129 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 5: got totally wiped off the map, like the roads, the buildings, 130 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 5: the houses, everything, So it's gonna be quite the rebuild. 131 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 7: Was there a large percentage of the families that you 132 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 7: know about that couldn't go to work even or couldn't 133 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 7: like how did they? 134 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 4: How do you sustain life? You just help help? 135 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 5: Well that's when like the like you know, Steve and 136 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 5: I just did this presentation with Evergreen Health around hospice 137 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 5: care and things, and so one of my topics there 138 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 5: was like the power is showing up and to me, like, yes, 139 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 5: all of that was happening. People weren't working, you know, 140 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 5: businesses weren't even there to go to work too. Then 141 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 5: you didn't have power, you didn't have water, you didn't 142 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,119 Speaker 5: have all these different things to actually do to work. 143 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 5: And so that's when like the humanity of people, like 144 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 5: humanity transcends all the other stuff that you know what 145 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 5: I'm saying. So when you can see that someone is 146 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 5: in need and you can show up and help them. 147 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 5: A lot of that is happening in Nashville. So there's 148 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 5: a lot of residents that have resources or they had 149 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 5: new people that knew people that knew people for a 150 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 5: moment there. 151 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 3: For the first maybe three or four days after all of. 152 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 5: This, every single road into ash Fill was cut off 153 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 5: either it had been wiped away or all the trees 154 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 5: from now so they hadn't actually helicopter stuff in. So 155 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 5: I couldn't even get my sisters out of town until 156 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 5: they got some of the roads cleared up so we 157 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 5: can get them out. And so so yeah, it took 158 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 5: everything that you could possibly imagine that people needed and 159 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 5: how people received supplies, Like I mean, you had to 160 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 5: you had to use every resource available to do. 161 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you for the update, and we're so happy. 162 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: We're sorry for the folks who've lost lives and lost homes. 163 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: Obviously happy for your families or that they're that they're okay, 164 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: and and if anything, this should just give everybody who's 165 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: listening to these conversations the the just a couple of things. 166 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: First of all, that that there is help out there, 167 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 2: and especially, as as Ray said, in the power of 168 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: just showing up the people around you. But also that 169 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: these kinds of tragedies affect everybody. They affect our families, 170 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 2: they affect friends that may be well down the line, 171 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: they affect professional football players and former. 172 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 6: Players and all the rest. 173 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: So lest we think that only certain people ever get 174 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: hit with these things, no, they happened to everyone, and 175 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 2: we should always be. 176 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 6: Aware of that being of use. 177 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: As someone I talked about our luncheon exactly that day 178 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: talked to us one day about b of US. All right, 179 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: so we've talked about those things. Now let's get back 180 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: to a couple of football related items, not the least 181 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 2: of which is first round draft choice nineteen ninety two 182 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 2: Ray Roberts, offensive tackle out of Virginia, All American. When 183 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: you came here, what were you coming into What do 184 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: you remember about that. 185 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 6: First year that you were here with the Seahawks. 186 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 5: Well, the first thing I remember is that growing up 187 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 5: at North Carolina, I hadn't the furthest West I'd ever 188 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 5: been was Chicago, and the only time I had ever 189 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 5: really flown on the plane. The first time I flow 190 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 5: in the plane was at Virginia's and we flew to 191 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 5: Georgia like my first year or something. So I didn't 192 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 5: have a whole lot of experience traveling really far on 193 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 5: the airplane. It was like I was a little kid 194 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 5: going over there, Yeah, over there, Yeah, it's my agent 195 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 5: and I. We actually flew the first direct flight Northwest 196 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 5: Airlines had from DC to Seattle, and so it was long. 197 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 5: It took forever Andy. 198 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 7: Coming all that way. During the draft, did you have 199 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 7: any other inklings that you were going to be drafted 200 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 7: by somebody else or was it always Seattle? 201 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 6: Yeah? 202 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 5: It was really interesting because that morning I woke up 203 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 5: the Indianapolis Colts had the first two picks, and so 204 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 5: they were like, the first pick was going to be 205 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 5: Steve Entpman from University of Washington. He was clearly the 206 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 5: best player in that draft going into the draft, and 207 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 5: then they said, hey, with the second pick, if we 208 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 5: go offense, we're going to select you. If we go defense, 209 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 5: we're going to select Quentin Corriott. So the first I 210 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 5: was on the clock like and like just sitting on 211 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 5: pins and needles, like, oh man, I might be the 212 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 5: second pick in the draft, like this is crazy. And 213 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 5: obviously they picked Quentin Coriott. And then after that it 214 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 5: was just like every team just calling trying to trade 215 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 5: up to get me into The Cowboys called and it's 216 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 5: like hey, like we have this dude that we want 217 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 5: to watch the draft with you. And I'm like okay, 218 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 5: and they're like, is it all right if he comes 219 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 5: to your apartment. 220 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 3: I'm like yeah. 221 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 5: So as soon as I hung the phone up, the 222 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 5: dude knocked at the door. He was standing at the 223 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 5: door waiting for them to say like yeah, it's okay 224 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 5: to go in, and so he came in. And then 225 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 5: the Cowboys had the fifteenth and I think the seventeenth pick, 226 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 5: and after the like the third or fourth pick, they 227 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 5: were trying to trade up with everybody to try to 228 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 5: draft me and then but nobody would trade. And then 229 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 5: the Seahawks called and was like, hey, we're thinking about 230 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 5: taking here at number ten, and they had like this 231 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 5: contract structure they wanted me to kind of agree to 232 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 5: and my agents like, nah, we don't want to do that. 233 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 5: And then all I heard they just said, okay, we'll 234 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 5: taught to you later. And so then I'm thinking to myself, like, man, 235 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 5: I messed that up, you know what I'm saying. Been 236 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 5: kind of cool to be like one of the top 237 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 5: ten picks, you know what I'm saying. And then I heard, 238 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 5: you know, back in the day, it was you know, 239 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 5: the productionism like what it is now. But there's a 240 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 5: guy that carries a card up to the commissioner and 241 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 5: they pronounced the name and I heard him say Roberts, 242 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 5: and everyone in the room was like, you know, in 243 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 5: our apartments, like having a good time. 244 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 3: And I was just right next to the TV. 245 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, I think he said Roberts, and so 246 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 5: there's a picture of me just I'm like this closer 247 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 5: than yeah, and I'm like and when he said Ray Roberts. 248 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, everyone went nuts. But but yeah, 249 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 3: we wash. 250 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 5: I thought I had blown the opportunity to be like 251 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 5: in the top ten and come to Seattle, but you know, 252 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 5: I was happy that I came here. Like I said, 253 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 5: it's a long, long trip. When I landed was like, man, 254 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 5: it's green and clean here, like it's like it was unbelievable. 255 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 5: But but yeah, I've enjoyed every minute of being here, 256 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 5: even when I played in Detroit. 257 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 3: And you know, when I. 258 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 5: Was in Detroit, Jay z was our offense coordinator there 259 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 5: for a year or two too, so so it was 260 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 5: coached by the guy over here. And but love Seattle 261 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 5: and just have never thought about leaving. 262 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm drawing a blank. But in 263 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 2: ninety two, was Chuck still coaching or was it Tom? 264 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 4: Tom? 265 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 5: Then you played for Dennis are here and then then 266 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 5: I left and went to Detroit. 267 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, I was here in ninety seven. I went to 268 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 7: training camp and Rick Meyer was the quarterback. Dennis was 269 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 7: still here. Howard Mud, Howard Mud was still here. So 270 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 7: how many years did you get with Howard as a 271 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 7: football offensive line? 272 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: By the way, well, yeah, one of the great offensive 273 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: line coaches ever in. 274 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 6: The history of the game was right here. And see 275 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 6: thank you God rest his soul. 276 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 3: Yeah. 277 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 5: So Hudson howt uh was the head, was the off 278 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 5: of the line coach, and he when I was drafted 279 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 5: here my first year, and uh, it was really interesting 280 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 5: because he'd always show us film with the Dallas Cowboys 281 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 5: offensive line and he'd be like, oh, look how they 282 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 5: do it. Look at and so you're like, man, like 283 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 5: we're watching them, like like, coach us up, you know 284 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 5: what I'm saying. And then it turns out he went 285 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 5: to coach the Cowboys and then Howard came here, and man, 286 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 5: I'm telling you, like Howard Mud, Uh, there's no coach 287 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 5: I've ever had in my life on any level that 288 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 5: had the impact on my career and on me as 289 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 5: a person than Howard mud Like for whatever reason, Like, uh, 290 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 5: it wasn't like a pretty engagement at first, because he 291 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 5: called me out on a lot of things, and like 292 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 5: that really challenged me, like my work, ethic and the 293 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 5: things I was focusing on and all these And I'm 294 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 5: looking at this dude like, man, you don't even know 295 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 5: me yet, like and you're like, you know, coming at 296 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 5: me like this. But it was something in the way 297 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 5: he said it that I knew that this dude was 298 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 5: looking out for what was best for me, and and 299 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 5: so I just bought into everything that he told me 300 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 5: and talked. 301 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 7: He was about being practical. Yeah, you could block, you 302 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 7: could block guys with your butt. Oh yeah, you know, 303 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 7: give him the. 304 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 5: Flipper on the backside, on the backside of plays, like 305 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 5: you're trying to cut someone off. Like we would actually 306 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 5: practice posting up like you post up on basketball. You 307 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 5: just used to work outside motion and you just box 308 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 5: out and post a dude up and running back comes 309 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 5: right through, you know. And so guys don't do that 310 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 5: as much anymore. But man, you got your big six 311 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 5: foot six, three hundred pound frame, you know, walling someone off. 312 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 3: Hey, it's a lane to run through. 313 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 4: What are what are a couple of that? That would 314 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 4: be one of them. 315 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 7: But he had a really very different philosophy on past 316 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 7: protection on how especially at that position right there. And 317 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 7: he would say, you know, most offensive line coaches want 318 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 7: to build a cup around so that the quarterback can 319 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 7: be there and and but he he never wanted to 320 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 7: build a cup. Howard always wanted to build a dish, 321 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 7: you know, And so he would, Uh, how how different 322 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 7: was that? I mean, think about West I mean, think 323 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 7: about Virginia, Yeah, and then coming here it must have 324 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 7: been just totally. 325 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 5: Well when I when I came into the league, a 326 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 5: lot of people compared like my athleticism and folkwork to 327 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 5: like Jackie Slater, And so Jackie Slater had this really 328 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 5: quick like kick straight back set, and so that's how 329 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 5: Hudson taught me. 330 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 3: It was a kick straight back. 331 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 5: Well, the problem with that is, you know, six foot six, 332 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 5: long legs. After about three kicks, I start to get tall. 333 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 5: It's hard to stay stay low. So dudes would just 334 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 5: bull rush me a lot. So I had to figure 335 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 5: out how to defend a bull rush. And then so 336 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 5: then Howard came. Howard was like, why do you just 337 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 5: kick straight back all the time? 338 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 3: Like you said? 339 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 5: And I was just like that's what I've been taught, 340 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 5: Like what else is there to do? And he's like, well, 341 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 5: you have long arms, quick feet, like I want you 342 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 5: to attack. I want you to be more aggressive and 343 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 5: pass blocking, so I want you to like he would 344 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 5: call it short setting. And so his signal for me 345 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 5: was like pulling the chain on a on a chainsaw, 346 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 5: like you know, like he's like, hey, pull the chain, 347 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 5: Like pull the chain. 348 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 3: So he wants me to sort. 349 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 5: And it was scary because you're you have you blocking 350 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 5: Derek Thomas and I'm just like, oh if I missed though, 351 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 5: he has like a ten yard run right at the quarterback, 352 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 5: you know, so you had to get really used to 353 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 5: like being uncomfortable trailing the defender and blocking the back 354 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 5: of his shoulder. So he would go like Ray like 355 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 5: just short set him and then like stay inside and then. 356 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 3: Block the back of his shoulder. 357 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 5: I'm like, man, that doesn't sound right, Like I'm behind 358 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 5: Derek Thomas blocking the back. 359 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 3: Of his shoulder, Like what are you talking about? 360 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 6: You know? 361 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 3: And uh, and we would sit, we would just go this. 362 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 5: Hen and I would be out on the practice field together, 363 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 5: just going through play after play after play, footwork after 364 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 5: footwork after footwork, and he was challenging me, be more aggressive, 365 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 5: be more aggressive, be more aggressive, meet him, meet him sooner, 366 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 5: like like like jay Z was saying, like he wanted 367 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 5: to be a flatterline than more of it, you know, 368 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 5: than a cup like this. And so but once I 369 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 5: got comfortable doing it, I meant it just changed my 370 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 5: whole uh success rate in past blocking. And then that 371 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 5: kind of became like my my calling card in the league. 372 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 5: So other offensive line would be like man like like 373 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 5: the way you would go after people, or the quickness 374 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 5: of your feet like all this other kind of stuff. 375 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 7: Uh. 376 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 3: And all that was due to Howard, you know. 377 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 5: And then and then off the field, you know, Howard 378 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 5: had a step son, Adam, and Adam, you know, young 379 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 5: fifteen year old kid, like getting into trouble and stuff 380 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 5: around Kirkland and all this other kind of stuff, And 381 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 5: so Howard would call me and go like, hey man, 382 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 5: we can't find Adam. 383 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, I'll go find him. 384 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 5: And so I'd go down through Kirkland and go to 385 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 5: all the little arcades and stuff, and I'd find him, 386 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 5: take him home and or I'd take him to get 387 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 5: something to eat and talk to him and all this 388 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 5: other kind of stuff and try to get him going 389 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 5: and get him going in the right direction. And it 390 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 5: got to the point where when a lot of the 391 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 5: young kids would see me walking in and Kirkling, it'd 392 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 5: be like, oh, yeah, Adams, Adams over there, we know 393 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 5: who you're here to get, you know. So Howard and 394 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 5: I just connected on such a different level than just 395 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 5: football that there's not another coach on the face of 396 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 5: the earth that has just had the impact on me. 397 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 5: Even before I retired in Detroit, he was coaching at Innneapolis. 398 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 5: I called him at three o'clock in the morning. I'm like, hey, Howard, 399 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 5: this is what I'm feeling. 400 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 3: What do you think? And he goes, well, you've already 401 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 3: answered it. 402 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 5: You called me at three o'clock in the morning, and 403 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 5: so I'm like yep. So that morning, like five hours later, 404 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 5: I retired from the NFL. And then a year later 405 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 5: the Saints called and said, hey, like want you to 406 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 5: come in, and like we need someone to help with 407 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 5: the younger players. 408 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 3: We need a veteran player. 409 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 5: So I called Howard like, hey, man, like, this is 410 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 5: what He goes like, remember that call you gave me 411 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 5: a three o'clock in the morning. I go, yeah, he 412 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 5: goes your body's gonna feel like that again. I'm like, yeah, 413 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 5: you're right, so I should probably stay retired. So so 414 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 5: Howard has had such a tremendous impact in my life 415 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 5: that I just I just love the dude. 416 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,479 Speaker 2: There are we could sit here and tell stories all 417 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 2: day just about Howard, And there are coaches like that, 418 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 2: and there are there are those kinds of mentors in 419 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 2: I think all of our lives somewhere along the way. 420 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that with you here in 421 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: just a second. But before we leave the topic of football, 422 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 2: you had a chance you could have stayed here in Seattle, right, 423 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 2: but you also had an opportunity to go to Detroit. 424 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 6: How did that happen? 425 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,479 Speaker 2: And then once you got there and you saw and 426 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 2: firsthand who and what Barry Sanders really was, that must 427 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 2: have been. That must have been just terrific for an 428 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 2: offensive line. 429 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 5: Well, the hard thing is that I always wanted to play. 430 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 5: I never wanted to leave Seattle. And then I think 431 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 5: I was back then they had the franchise tag and 432 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 5: the transitional tag, and I was like to track this 433 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 5: said a transitional player, And because I was coming off 434 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 5: an injury, they removed the transitional tag and so that 435 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 5: made me a free agent and one that they didn't 436 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 5: have the match offers and all that kind of stuff. 437 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 5: And then it was in the middle of Ken Baron 438 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 5: trying to move the team, like. 439 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 3: It was that same offseason. 440 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 5: So it's like there's little messages that you get when 441 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 5: you go like maybe I may not be in the plans. 442 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 5: It's because I was the last to learn that they 443 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 5: were trying to move the team to Anaheim, and so 444 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 5: then I'm like, yeah, like maybe you know, my time 445 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 5: here may be done. But the interesting thing is that 446 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 5: when I went to visit Detroit. It was like UVA Midwest. 447 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 5: There was already like five or six UVA players on 448 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 5: the team. 449 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 3: And one of them was. 450 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 5: Herman Moore, who he and I were freshmens together, first 451 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 5: year players together at Virginia. And he left the year early, 452 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 5: was a tenth pick in the draft and I was 453 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 5: the next year. I was a tenth pick in the draft. 454 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 5: And so talking to him, and you know, I was 455 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 5: seeing Barry but not really knowing Barry, and I was 456 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 5: talking to Herman. He's like, dude, we're like so close 457 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 5: to like being like a championship team. 458 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 3: Got all these guys on off. 459 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 5: You know, we had Brett Perriman, Johnny Morton who was 460 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 5: the fullback, fullback, Cory Schlessinger. 461 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 4: Cory he had no neck, his muscle from. 462 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 2: His ear all the way to the end of his 463 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 2: shoulders from Nebraska. 464 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 7: I would say, I asked, I asked h one question. 465 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 7: I said, so, what do you think about when you 466 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 7: go to block a linebacker? Because he had I mean, 467 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 7: he would just pound people. He was really a good blocker. 468 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 7: And he said, he said, here's my philosophy. The closer 469 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 7: I get, the faster I go. That's that was his He. 470 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 5: Was notorious for changing out face masking games because he 471 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 5: would break them, bend them, all kind of stuff. But 472 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 5: he was like he was like he would get fined 473 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 5: a lot in today's game because he was leading with 474 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 5: his big head all the time. But one of the 475 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 5: strangest things about our funniest things about Ben in Detroit 476 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 5: was my first year. Yeah, I tried to pride myself 477 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 5: on like, you know, smart dude from Virginia, Like you know, 478 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 5: we're arrogant a little bit about that. And so I'm 479 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 5: looking at the plays and there's like a linebacker with 480 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 5: an exclamation point over him, and I kept going like, man, 481 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 5: I've never seen that, Like what does that mean? And 482 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 5: so I'm trying to like sort through the playbook. So 483 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 5: finally go hey, coach, like, what does what does this mean? 484 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 5: He goes, Oh, that's Barry's guy. I'm like, well, what 485 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 5: does that mean? Well, on one guy is not going 486 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 5: to block bear a tackle Barry, so we don't have 487 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 5: to block him. And I would just be like what, 488 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 5: like like who is this dude? Like you know what 489 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 5: I'm saying, And so it would always be like a 490 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 5: backside linebacker or something where we just go like, yeah, 491 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 5: we just worked this double team on the backside. 492 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 4: We're not even to worry about don't don't come off 493 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 4: the double team. 494 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, just stay on the double team because Barry's 495 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 5: gonna make one guy miss every time. 496 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 7: Frank Fault was the he was the running back coach, 497 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 7: and I asked, I said, so, what's why is Barry who? 498 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 7: You know, why is Berry the way he is? He said, 499 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 7: I've never been around a guy that could see the 500 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 7: line of scrimmage and you can see that linebacker coming, 501 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 7: he said, but Barry. 502 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 4: Can see the safety. 503 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 7: So he said, he's kind of a three level He's 504 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 7: got like a three level vision where a guy can 505 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 7: run through the line of scrimmage and you know, you 506 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 7: can avoid a linebacker. But Barry could go through the 507 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 7: line of scrimmage. He already he already would deal with 508 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 7: the linebacker as he's going through the line of scrimmage. 509 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 7: But he was always looking at the next guy down 510 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 7: the field and he could see where he was. And 511 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 7: I thought that was an amazing statement by the running 512 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 7: back coach on what Barry. 513 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, Barry, Barry was incredible man, And like, uh, I 514 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 5: think the year that he rushed for two thousand yards after. 515 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,719 Speaker 3: It was when coach Ross had came. Wayne Fonce had 516 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 3: left and Coach Ross came and I was at the Oh, 517 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 3: yeah you was Georgia Tech. Yeah, that's sorry. And he 518 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 3: had beat us at Virginia. 519 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 5: So I was like, I used to get thank you, 520 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 5: but I hated that. That's why sometimes, that's why I 521 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 5: try not to say Georgia Tech a lot. 522 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 3: It's like that other school of Virginia. 523 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 4: Try not to. 524 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 2: If you if you had been the University of Georgia, 525 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 2: I would be even up, but I wouldn't even happier, 526 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:40,719 Speaker 2: more thrilled. 527 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 5: But but anyway, like I remember, I forget the offensive court, 528 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 5: not the opposite the quarterback coach maybe me. 529 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 4: No, who's the coordinator then Tom Sylvester Crum. 530 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 3: Was it crew? 531 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 5: Anyway, they called us to the We had this meeting 532 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 5: and it was uh, some offensive lineman, some some some 533 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 5: of the running backs, quarterbacks like O, hey, what do 534 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 5: we need to do? And after two games we only 535 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 5: had fifty three yards rushing with Barry and I just said, man, 536 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 5: we this is the best running back in the league, 537 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 5: in the world. 538 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 3: Maybe let's just give him the. 539 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 5: Ball until his shoes fall off, like we should have 540 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 5: like a big, huge oxygen tank on the sideline and 541 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 5: he should be exhausted out to every game. And then 542 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 5: from that point on we'd rushed for exactly two thousand 543 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 5: yards in fourteen games, and so we into what twenty 544 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 5: and fifty three yards, and so it was pretty amazing 545 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 5: because we had offense, like, I mean tons of offense. 546 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 5: I think Herman Moore was like getting like one hundred 547 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 5: and fifteen hundred and twenty receptions a year. Brett Perriman 548 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 5: probably had like, you know, close to you know, eighty 549 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 5: ninety catches. Johnny Morton had another fifty or sixty catches. Like, 550 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 5: we had an amazing and then we had Dave Sloan 551 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 5: at tight end, who was a pretty good tight end 552 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 5: we you know, in our offensive line. Because of the 553 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 5: way Barry ran, we never got the credit that we deserved. 554 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 5: But if you if you watch obviously Barry's gonna have 555 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 5: his highlight plays, but if you watch the games, like 556 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 5: we were delivering him to the second level, which is 557 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 5: what we're supposed to do, and Barry does his thing 558 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 5: after that, and there was a lot of that going on, 559 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 5: and so you don't rush for twenty fifty three yards 560 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 5: at Barry just out running everybody, and so it was 561 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 5: it was pretty incredible. Unfortunately, we didn't advance far in 562 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 5: the playoffs. You know, we had some young young secondary 563 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 5: I think we led the league in pass in appearance 564 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 5: calls that year, but but we couldn't seem to get 565 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 5: out of our own way that way. But it was 566 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 5: a It was amazing being able to play in such 567 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 5: a powerful offense and then be able to block for 568 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 5: somebody like barrt Did. 569 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 6: It surprise you when he retired? So suddenly, yeah, it did. So. 570 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 5: So Barry and I were like always the team captains 571 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 5: and and then we always roomed together in training camp, 572 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 5: and so when he wasn't didn't come in, like everybody was, like, 573 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 5: I was getting peppered with questions like every daily, did 574 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 5: he show up, Why didn't he show Have you talked 575 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 5: to him? 576 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 3: All the other kind of stuff? 577 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 5: And I talked to him one time because at the time, 578 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 5: if he had come back and played and by Thanksgiving, 579 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 5: he would have had the all time record for rushing 580 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 5: because we normally had about eleven hundred yards around that time, 581 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 5: and that was I think what he needed to get 582 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 5: to the record. And I was the only lineman left 583 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 5: that had blocked for him when he rushed for two 584 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 5: thousand yards. So selfishly, I was saying, like, come on back, man, 585 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 5: like get the Thanksgiving and then you can leave, because 586 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 5: then I could be the only dude that blocked for 587 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 5: a two thousand yard rusher and the old time leading rusher. 588 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 3: But it just wasn't happening. 589 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 5: It was really really strange, you know, Like Barry is 590 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 5: a type of dude though this, like once he decides 591 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 5: he's going to do something he's committed to that he's 592 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 5: convicted by, it's kind of hard to change his mind. 593 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 5: I do think that part of the retirement. Even in 594 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 5: his documentary thing, he didn't really speak to the retirement, 595 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 5: But I think part of it was that the organization, 596 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 5: like we would get players in the field spots and 597 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 5: then as they started to learn our system and then 598 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 5: it was time for them to get paid, Oh let's 599 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 5: switch them out. So it was like we're on his treadmill. 600 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 5: The team just wasn't getting better. We weren't getting good 601 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,719 Speaker 5: enough to get past the first round of the playoffs, 602 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 5: and I think that just kind of frustrated Barry and 603 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 5: he's never going to be one of the dudes that 604 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 5: kind of go and say like, hey, I want to 605 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 5: do this, I want to make the calls. You know, 606 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 5: He's never going to pull that stump with people. He 607 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 5: just goes like, well, I guess this is it for me, 608 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 5: and I don't know. 609 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 7: Well, if you would ask me that question, It's so 610 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 7: funny to listen to a player who you know he 611 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 7: was a teammate and his roommate and for me, Barry. 612 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 7: Barry came in two days before training camp started and 613 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 7: he told Bobby Ross. His words were, I have I 614 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,719 Speaker 7: always wanted to play in the National Football League for 615 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 7: ten years and last year was my tenth year. 616 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 4: I'm done. 617 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 6: Two days before camp. 618 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, and. 619 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 7: It was really upsetting. You know you were saying you 620 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 7: were surprised. Well, we were all surprised because I think 621 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 7: our draft that offseason would have been totally different knowing 622 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 7: that Barry was going to retire. But we had the 623 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 7: expectation that Barry was going to be there. And Barry 624 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 7: only knows Hey, in his mind, he was done. And 625 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 7: I don't know when he came to that conclusion, because 626 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 7: I've been a player too. Know, you just kind of 627 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 7: run through and you got to work out a lot 628 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 7: of different things. But he quit two days so we 629 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 7: were left without a star running back, and you know, 630 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 7: one thing led to another. We got another guy, as 631 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 7: you well know, from the Rams, you know, the small 632 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 7: guy from the He was just like Barry, only not 633 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 7: as Bill vers. 634 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 4: I'll have to go look. 635 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 7: He was from the Rams, and he had played at 636 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 7: He played either at UCLA or SC or something like that. Anyway, 637 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 7: he was not quite living up to that very few 638 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 7: There's no way I'll never forget Barry when I had 639 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 7: gone there. He would never say a word at practice, 640 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 7: he said nothing. And he would always run sprints by 641 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 7: himself in the heat of the day, right after practice. 642 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 7: He would run like ten hundreds or ten to one tens. 643 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 7: Nobody else would be on the field, and he would run. 644 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 4: I watched him. I watched all ten one day. Yeah, 645 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 4: and he just ran him. 646 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 7: As hard as he he could. He never just there 647 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 7: was no striding. He just took off and ran as 648 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 7: hard as he could. I don't know what's going on 649 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 7: in his mind. 650 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 5: But well, it was the first heart I had inkland 651 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 5: that something was going on. Our last game was Baltimore 652 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 5: the year before, and uh and uh. It took him 653 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 5: a long time to get to the bus. Everyone's on 654 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 5: the bus. We're waiting for Barry. So like, Ray, can 655 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 5: you go see what's going on? So I go in 656 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 5: and Barry hadn't even taken a shower yet. He was 657 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 5: still sitting in his locker in his uniform. I'm like, hey, man, 658 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 5: I don't I don't know what's going on, but we 659 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 5: need to get on this bus and get up out 660 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 5: of here. 661 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 3: And uh. 662 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 5: And so he, you know, obviously got on the bus. 663 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 5: But he was so quiet and never never really talked 664 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 5: to people. But the people that he was close to 665 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 5: that he talked to a lot was Lomas Brown and 666 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 5: Kevin Glover and those are his two dudes. And uh, 667 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 5: and so he's, you know, Kevin, haven't talked to Kevin, 668 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 5: Kevin having conversations with him. I think I think it 669 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 5: was It may have been a combination of the ten 670 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 5: year thing, but it but definitely the direction of the 671 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 5: that the league was going. He wanted to be on 672 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 5: the championship team, he wanted to get to the super Bowl, 673 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 5: he wanted to play in the Super Bowl, that kind 674 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 5: of stuff, you know. And there was always these rumors 675 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 5: that his dad's favorite player was Jim Brown. They said, 676 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 5: you don't want to bring to Jim Brown rectors and 677 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 5: all this other kind of stuff, which his dad is 678 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 5: a totally different story. But you know, I do think that, 679 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 5: you know, maybe the tenure thing has a part to 680 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 5: do with it. But the other part two was that 681 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 5: he had seen his dues be shuffled in and out 682 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 5: and just that cycle of doing that and not really 683 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 5: build the team. 684 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 7: He was one player, and he can attest to this 685 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 7: where every single person on the Detroit Lions sideline, they 686 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 7: were up as far as you could get up to 687 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 7: the field when Barry was on the field, because he 688 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 7: could go all the way. Let me just hand him 689 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 7: the ball and he'd go all the way. So every 690 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 7: but then you look across the field and every opponent 691 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 7: and player, whether you were on defense or offense, you 692 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 7: were on the edge of the sideline because Barry was 693 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 7: going to pass to get the ball and you wanted 694 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 7: to see that run. 695 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 6: It was unbelievable, a remarkable talent. 696 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 2: I want to get to a couple of other things 697 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 2: before we go, but one of the things, and you 698 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 2: reminded me of it when you talked about leaving to 699 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 2: go to Detroit and I look back, and since this 700 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 2: is Seahawks Stories and it's about the history of this franchise, 701 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 2: I look back at those kinds of decisions, not so 702 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 2: much the decision by the player, but what they envisioned 703 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 2: was going. 704 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 4: To happen to them. 705 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 2: And I looked at it from our time in our 706 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 2: early years, and we had a guy named Nick Bebout 707 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 2: who was one of our offensive tackles. Nick was never 708 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 2: going to be a pro bowler or anything, but he 709 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 2: was such a solid player and such a leader up there, 710 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 2: and they cut him to let a younger guy play 711 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 2: who was not ready to play. And so I thought 712 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 2: that was a kind of a turning point as we 713 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 2: had just started to ascend as a team. Roll ahead 714 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 2: a few years Steve Hutchinson walks away, goes to Minnesota, 715 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 2: ends up being he had to well, guys like transition tag. 716 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, the thing on our line that we had 717 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 5: here that we're building at Howard was building. 718 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 3: There was me, Jeff. 719 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 5: Black Chair, Kevin ma Why and Andy Heck and all 720 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 5: of us ended up leaving. Yeah, and so you know, 721 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 5: Kevin ended up going to the Hall of Fame. Jeff 722 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 5: black Chair won the Super Bowl as a playing beside 723 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 5: Jonathan Ogden in Baltimore. Andy ended up going to Chicago 724 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 5: and planning and now he's like the offensive line coach 725 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 5: at Kansas City. 726 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 3: And then I ended up going to Detroit. 727 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 5: And blocking Ford the all time all of us were 728 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 5: on the same offensive line at one point. 729 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 3: And then the Sea. 730 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 7: It shows that that the Hawks were getting the right guys, 731 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 7: and uh and and the building how long do you stay? 732 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 7: I mean, that's you know, that's the internal question, the 733 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 7: question right and we get rid of him suit too soon? 734 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 6: Or was there a salary cap in those days? 735 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 7: Oh? 736 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, there, so the you always had to keep that 737 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 2: in the back and might, just as they do now. 738 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 2: But we didn't have that issue obviously when you and 739 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 2: I started. But then you didn't. You couldn't go any 740 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 2: place anyway. Nobody could offer you a free agent money 741 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 2: because there was no such thing as a free agent. 742 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 6: Okay, So you. 743 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 7: Played for some great coaches, you really have, and and 744 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 7: and it's a testament to you because those coaches knew 745 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 7: what to do with your talent, you know what I mean. 746 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 7: They helped you with some techniques, some fundamentals, and you 747 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 7: went out there and battled. But you can see it 748 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 7: today too, right, You're not You're not coaching per se, 749 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 7: although you tried to coach. 750 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, was that all? 751 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 2: Well? 752 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 5: I coached high school football for about seven years, and uh, 753 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 5: and I don't know. My approach to sports and stuff 754 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,479 Speaker 5: like that wasn't necessarily the wins and losses of games. 755 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 5: I was trying to win men's souls and hearts and yeah, 756 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 5: make them good citizens of the community, good brothers, good husbands, 757 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 5: good partners, good students, good community people. 758 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 3: That's where my focus was. 759 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 5: And so I felt good about how I impacted, you know, 760 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 5: young young guys in this area. 761 00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 3: Net God. 762 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 5: I never I did to coach an internship with the 763 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 5: Colts after I retired, and because Howard was there and 764 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 5: he had just had a surgery and he was like, Hey, 765 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 5: I want you to come and work with the young 766 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 5: guys and I'll take the top seven dudes and then 767 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 5: this is how we're going to roll. So I did 768 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 5: that one all season and then I decided like, eh, 769 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 5: I don't know if I'm built for this grind. And 770 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 5: then this one coach came to me and said, hey, man, 771 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 5: I've lived in thirteen different houses, and I'm like, yeah, 772 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 5: I'm not built for that, I promise you, And so 773 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 5: I kind of got away from the professional coaches. 774 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 2: We had a coach named Any McDonald who was our 775 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 2: running backs coach. 776 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 6: And special teams. 777 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 2: He did both in our first few years, and he 778 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 2: always used to say, he said, kid, don't get wall 779 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 2: to wall carpeting, and if you do, don't nail it down, 780 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 2: because that's that's what the business of being a coach 781 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 2: or even a player at times. Yeah, okay, so how 782 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 2: do you go from I love Andy, got left us 783 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 2: far too soon. So you go from that opportunity to 784 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 2: coach and you kind of find your way into this 785 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 2: area now where e'rerope. You're literally travel the country working 786 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 2: with and for Special Olympics and Special Olympics athletes and 787 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 2: the organization and the communities that they're in. 788 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 6: Plus you. 789 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 2: Speak so much mentoring and all those things. Where did 790 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:17,479 Speaker 2: all that come from? 791 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 7: Right? 792 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 5: Well, sometimes there's no self made people, even though people 793 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 5: want to say, like, hey man, I'm a self made millionaire, 794 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 5: I'm a self made Along the way, people encouraged support, 795 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 5: it gave you extra advice, I all that kind of stuff, 796 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 5: and so I just feel like you have to have 797 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 5: a team of people and I like to be on 798 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 5: people's team. Whether I'm getting you from A to B 799 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 5: or B two C or whatever it is, I want 800 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 5: to help you get to the place that you're trying 801 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 5: to get to. 802 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 3: And so that's just kind of how always been. 803 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 5: And so when I left, I went back to school 804 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 5: to University of Washington, got a master's degree in athletic administration, 805 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 5: and during that I took a lot of diversity, ECO 806 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 5: and inclusion classes. And then this opportunity came up at 807 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 5: Microsoft to work in that area and their gaming division. 808 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 5: So I went and worked at Microsoft as a diversity 809 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 5: specialist for three years. And then as I was doing that, 810 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 5: the special USA Games came to Seattle. We needed ambassadors, 811 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 5: so they had a couple of dudes that was trying 812 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 5: to talk about like inclusion and stuff, and so I 813 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 5: went to the leadership one day and I'm like, hey, like, 814 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,479 Speaker 5: the next time, can I get up and talk about 815 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 5: what inclusion is and what it's not. And I did, 816 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 5: And so some of the special limits folks were they 817 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 5: were like, hey, man, like, we're trying to get our 818 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 5: school based programs into the inner city and we're having 819 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 5: a hard time, and we think you can be the 820 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 5: dude to help us. And so that's kind of how 821 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 5: I got into Special Olympics. So I was the director 822 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,959 Speaker 5: of Urban Development for Special Lympics. Now I'm the Senior 823 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 5: Advisor for Urban Development for Specialists North America. So I 824 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 5: traveled to all the different inner city schools and communities 825 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 5: and neighborhoods all over the United States trying to help 826 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 5: their school district strategize on how to implement our school 827 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 5: based programs. There's a lot going on and a lot 828 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 5: of things you have to overcome, and nuances and all 829 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 5: that kind of stuff, stigmas you have to overcome. 830 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 3: And so I try to help. 831 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 5: Break down that stuff and then help them strategize on 832 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 5: how to get our stuff into the schools. And then 833 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 5: as it relates to the mental health peace, Uh. Since 834 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 5: I retired the I struggled with depression a lot, and 835 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 5: so I would just sleep on the couch, turn off 836 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 5: all the lights, you know, cover up all the windows, 837 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 5: all that kind of stuff, and then and I would 838 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 5: just battle with it all the time. And then right 839 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 5: before the pandemic, I started having the panic attacks and 840 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 5: I couldn't figure out what was going on. I couldn't 841 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 5: get out the door, go see my kids. I couldn't 842 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 5: get out to go hang out with my buddies. And 843 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 5: you know, Nassa hears me tell the story all the time, 844 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 5: like I'd always go like, hey, N's I'm running late. 845 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 5: But I was running late, not because I got up late. 846 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 5: It's just like I had to talk myself out the door, 847 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 5: down the steps, into my car, get to the red light, 848 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 5: get to the stop sign, like I talked my way 849 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 5: all the way over to the studio. 850 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 3: But nobody knew why I was doing this, and uh. 851 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 5: And so then finally one day, I just I mean, 852 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 5: I felt like I was about to throw everything in 853 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 5: my house out the window. I just didn't know what 854 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 5: to do, and so I called my ex wife Beth. 855 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,959 Speaker 5: We were trying to figure out places to get into. 856 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 5: We're struggling with that. She called Sandy Gregory, and then 857 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 5: Sandy and Beth put together this plan to get me 858 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 5: to this program called After the Impact that the NFL 859 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 5: sponsors in Manchester, Michigan. And so then I went there 860 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 5: for thirty days. You're supposed to it's a requirement to 861 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 5: stay for two weeks, but I was like, no, I 862 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 5: need longer than that, Like it's not gonna work if 863 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 5: I'm just here for two weeks. 864 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 3: So I ended up staying there for thirty days. 865 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 5: And so when I came out of that, I was 866 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 5: just I came to National's like, hey, man, like, I 867 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 5: want to tell my story because I think when I 868 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 5: got to this home where there were six former players, 869 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 5: dudes were suffering in silence. Man Like one dude came 870 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,919 Speaker 5: there after his wife found him writing apology letters because 871 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 5: he's about to commit suicide. And so I'm like, man, like, 872 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 5: you can't allow people to live like that in isolation. 873 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 5: And so I just that's why I started the podcast, 874 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 5: to tell my story, to debunk it, to make it, 875 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 5: make it something that people are comfortable talking about and 876 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 5: sharing and reaching out for help. And so we got 877 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 5: the Mindful Therapy Group that came on board as a 878 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 5: title sponsor. And so you know, it's been to me. 879 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 5: It's healing to be able to do it and to 880 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 5: be able to talk about it. And it's also it 881 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 5: makes you feel good when you're out in public and 882 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 5: people are saying, hey, I listened to it. I went 883 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 5: and got help. A guy at the game the other 884 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:13,879 Speaker 5: day came and said, man, I had been thinking about 885 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 5: being a therapist for a long time. 886 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 3: I listened to your podcast for a. 887 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 5: Little while and then I just went and signed up 888 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 5: to take classes to be a therapist like that kind 889 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 5: of So that type of impact is is what I'm 890 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 5: trying to go for. 891 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 7: All that all that was before COVID hit. That was 892 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,399 Speaker 7: twenty nineteen. Yeah, and then you went through COVID, and. 893 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 3: COVID made it worse. 894 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 5: I was everything, yeah, because you're even more isolation, you know, 895 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 5: and to the point where I would tell my kids, like, 896 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 5: I don't know who you guys hanging out with, so 897 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 5: you can't come over here. I'm a diabetic too, so 898 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 5: that was a part of it too. I just didn't 899 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 5: want to have, you know, catch COVID in that situation. 900 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 5: But then the isolation part just made it even worse. 901 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 7: Did they help you with your identity, like who you 902 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 7: are as a man or how it died you? 903 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 5: It wasn't necessarily. It wasn't necessarily like who I was 904 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 5: as a man. It was more of the messages I 905 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 5: was telling myself myself talk, you know, like I had 906 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 5: been through a divorce and all this other kind of 907 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 5: stuff and you feel bad about that, and the and 908 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 5: the issues that you create for your kids and your 909 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 5: ex wife and all this other kind of stuff. And 910 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 5: so I felt guilty about that a lot. 911 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 4: Uh. 912 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 5: And so I couldn't see the value in what I 913 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 5: was bringing to the world because I had just labeled 914 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 5: myself as that guy. And uh and then and then uh, 915 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 5: and then you start to kind of you know, I've 916 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 5: always wanted to be the world's greatest dad and the 917 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 5: world's greatest husband, and I failed at one of them. 918 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 5: And then I got scared, like I was afraid to 919 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 5: try anything because I'm like, hey, hey, go walk up 920 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 5: the stairs, like I don't know, I might not make it. 921 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 5: I might slip on the third stair like, you know. 922 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 5: So you just talk yourself out of a lot of 923 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 5: things and uh. And so they're in therapy world, are 924 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 5: called cognitive distortions, and so uh. I was then got 925 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 5: the tools to go to challenge those be curious about it, 926 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,080 Speaker 5: you know. And then as you start to answer of 927 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 5: those things, to speak truth in fact to it, then 928 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 5: all that stuff calms down and then you're able to move. 929 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 5: So it wasn't a thing about identity or manhood or anything. 930 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 5: It was more of just the self talk, you know. 931 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 5: And we talked to ourselves more than we talked to 932 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 5: anyone else. 933 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 934 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 2: Well, it's an amazing story, and it's a story that 935 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of your teammates, a lot of 936 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 2: us didn't know quite the detail and the depth of 937 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 2: what you had to fight through and where you are today. 938 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,919 Speaker 2: Before two things before we wrap up. First of all, 939 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 2: you mentioned Sandy Gregory. We're going to have her on 940 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 2: this show here one of these days, Nasa, We're going 941 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,320 Speaker 2: to have her on the show one of these days. 942 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,879 Speaker 2: She was well, she's a fifty year just like we are. 943 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 2: She was there from the very first day of the Seahawks. 944 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 2: She worked in the PR department more importantly than she 945 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 2: moved into kind of community relations. And then after the 946 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 2: fact she's working with helping players find resources everything from 947 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 2: health to financial to educational. 948 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 6: She's just an amazing person, give so much of. 949 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 2: Her time, and I think all of us can say 950 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 2: that that we have benefited from knowing Sandy and from 951 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 2: all the help that she's been. That's that's the first thing. 952 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 2: Second thing, if people want more of of you, of 953 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 2: your information, of your story, of your advice, where can 954 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 2: they find that. 955 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,839 Speaker 5: Well, my podcast is called Big Raise Garage Grind, and 956 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 5: you can find that on Seattle the seahawks dot com website, 957 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 5: on YouTube dot com, Slash Seahawks, on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, 958 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 5: any of the podcast platforms you can find that. We 959 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 5: just dropped our latest episode yesterday, I think it was, 960 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 5: And well, it's a long story. Like so, during the pandemic, 961 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,759 Speaker 5: my son was playing football and none of the gyms 962 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,360 Speaker 5: were open, so we had to work out in the garage. 963 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 5: And so in order to show his coaches that we're 964 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 5: working out, we would post on social media our garage 965 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,759 Speaker 5: grind and so they would see him working out. And 966 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 5: then my followers just kind of jumped on the whole 967 00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 5: garage grind thing and I just kind of stuck with it. 968 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 5: We called a Big Race Garage Grind Mental Health Edition. 969 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,799 Speaker 5: It's kind of like the moment, that's right. I love it, 970 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 5: but uh but yeah, so you can find me there 971 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 5: and then I'm always on Twitter at Big Ray Roberts. 972 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 5: Uh and you know, I can argue and debate with 973 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 5: people some of some of the most mundane things, but 974 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 5: uh but that's usually. 975 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:17,800 Speaker 3: When I bored. 976 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,400 Speaker 5: So if you see me arguing a lot, it's like, oh, 977 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,359 Speaker 5: Ray doesn't have anything to do today. Uh but but yeah, 978 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 5: you can find me on this place. I tried to 979 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 5: be active and obviously on the broadcast team on our 980 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 5: pregame post game shows. 981 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 2: Well, all I can say is is, uh, Ray Roberts 982 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,360 Speaker 2: is just you are a remarkable thing human being. You 983 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 2: were a great football player that h Jame and I'd 984 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,399 Speaker 2: still be playing if you were in front of him 985 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,240 Speaker 2: and giving him. 986 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,879 Speaker 6: A little protection side guy. 987 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 2: Well he threw to largent and and let me clear 988 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:46,440 Speaker 2: out that a little bit. 989 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 3: That's that's another story, you know. 990 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 6: I don't. That's I don't. 991 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,959 Speaker 2: We want to thank you, thank you for a coming 992 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,279 Speaker 2: on here and telling your story, b for bringing all 993 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 2: the great stories and the great Seahawks uh player that 994 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 2: you were all those years. And in the meantime, we 995 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 2: will be back with another Seahawks stories coming up in 996 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,920 Speaker 2: the next few weeks as we continue on mister Zorn 997 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 2: and I Ray again, thank you. 998 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 6: And we will be in touch with you folks again. 999 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us Cohawks