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Speaker 2: Look at this now.

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Speaker 1: Tip to Tim. This is our life, this is our passion.

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Speaker 2: That's the spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas,

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. Well that was almost a disaster

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Speaker 1: until it wasn't. Hello everyone, it is about twelve thirty

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Speaker 1: eight in the morning, East Coast time. I am live

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Speaker 1: in the belly of the Beast here in Tampa, Florida.

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Speaker 1: Jake Paul versus Tyron Woodley two has just ended. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at some of the house feed right here.

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Speaker 1: He's still in the ring. He's still taking pictures with

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Speaker 1: his brother Logan Paul. It is. It is all over

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Speaker 1: except for us to break it down. Hi. Everyone, my

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Speaker 1: name is Luke Thomas. This is the Paul Versus Woodley two.

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Speaker 1: Let's see what do we call this? So it's a

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Speaker 1: reaction postfight show. I am one half of your hosting

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Speaker 1: duo from Morning Combat, of course, Luke Thomas, but Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: He will join me momentarily. You can catch him on

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Speaker 1: CBS Sports HQ in a few minutes, after which he

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Speaker 1: will join me to my left here alongside to discuss

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Speaker 1: everything we just saw. So if you are watching now,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. Let me ask a favor thumbs

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Speaker 1: you are new to the morning combat experience. Will go

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Speaker 1: until what behind me when the press conference kicks off,

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Speaker 1: So we have no time like the present. Let's get

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Speaker 1: going by the judges scores, and by the time the

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Speaker 1: fight was stopped forty nine forty six, forty eight forty six,

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Speaker 1: the unofficial ringside scorer Steve Farhood had at forty eight

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Speaker 1: three judges scorecards. Again, I'm looking to my left here

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Speaker 1: what do we want to say about that contest? Well,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot to unpack. First of all, the knockout

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Speaker 1: cannot imagine that it would not. But let's back up

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Speaker 1: a step before we get to the ko Let's actually

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Speaker 1: talk about the fight itself, because here, to me is

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Speaker 1: what stands out from all of this jig. Paul at

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Speaker 1: promotional angle leave no doubt, which of course is fine

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Speaker 1: So that's good to see. But Jake Paul, I mean

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Speaker 2: round at five and a half rounds of this fight? No,

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00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 2: on both sides, I thought Woodley and Paul really put

431
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,439
Speaker 2: in almost a worse effort than the first fight. But

432
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 2: the thing about Jake is he can box. He can

433
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,479
Speaker 2: He's got a foundational set of skills there that prevents

434
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 2: him from needing to be a brawler, even if you

435
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,880
Speaker 2: can argue that being a little bit of a brawler

436
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 2: could add to his entertainment side and really give a boom.

437
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 2: It's clear that he's looking to really max out and

438
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 2: be the best he can be as a celebrity crossover boxer.

439
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 2: And I think you saw that in the way he

440
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 2: was able to deliver the boom when it mattered most.

441
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 2: I think you saw that at key times where the

442
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 2: one thing you can say about Jake and all these

443
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 2: faces is not going to hit a lot. You know,

444
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 2: he was hit and knocked into the ropes by Tyron

445
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 2: Woodley in the first fight. He's not irresponsible. Maybe sometimes

446
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 2: a little bit too responsible. But how resussitive can you

447
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 2: keep put into words? Look how resussitive is that right hand?

448
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 2: Because had this gone the distance.

449
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 1: To be recitative, but it could be wrong.

450
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 2: You know, speaking of resuscitation. Luke, let me come back

451
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 2: into this, uh and say he wins a decision here,

452
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 2: that this bad news, this is bad news for the bubble.

453
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 2: This is bad news for the expectations of entertainment. And

454
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 2: I think on a night where he wasn't necessarily helped

455
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 2: out by potential future opponents, if it could ever happened

456
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,239
Speaker 2: like a Nate Diaz and Jorge Masbit all who were

457
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 2: there and the dots weren't fully connected, Nate sort of

458
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 2: punted on his interview opportunity during this pay per view broadcast.

459
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 2: Obviously there's different scenarios with the contracts of the UFC,

460
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 2: which Jake talked about afterwards, but that viral highlight it

461
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 2: kind of fixes all wrong. Yeah, you gotta be fair.

462
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 1: I think about it to fight up until that Ko,

463
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: Let's call it what it was. The fight sucked.

464
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 2: It was you was beyond that. I mean, people want

465
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 2: us to be honest this, you know, I thought Logan

466
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 2: and Floyd kind of set this genre backward. But it

467
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: was such a unique matchup. There was so much star

468
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 2: power that we did. Said Okay, that didn't turn out

469
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 2: to be the best, but moving forward, we got to

470
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 2: have action, We got to have a finality, We have

471
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 2: to have closure. We didn't have that, even though that

472
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 2: first fight with Woodley and Paul was competitive. It was

473
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 2: it was going down a road, Luke, where where people

474
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 2: weren't gonna want to watch this anymore. I mean, let'supposed

475
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: to be straight up and say that, and to save

476
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 2: it like that and be able to talk a big

477
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: game afterwards. No, they're not gonna They're not gonna remember that, Luke.

478
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 1: I mean you didn't see Woodley trying to get a

479
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: third fight. I mean the finality of this one kind

480
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: of closed the show on that. I'll say this too, BC, Like,

481
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: if you're Jake Paul again, the first five and a

482
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: half rounds of this of this fight sucked. But here's

483
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: what I will say. They're asking us to keep it

484
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: down so we may have the lower of voices just

485
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 1: a bit. I will say this, if you're Jake Paul,

486
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: that is the best winning your combat sports career by

487
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: a mile, and you got it without any controversy. You

488
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: can say that there is another story there that the

489
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 1: fight wasn't good, but there's as you indicated, that right

490
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: hand not an accident utterly authoritative. Maybe you could argue

491
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: that Tybern Woodley went down that way against Nate Mark

492
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: Art and Force, but basically no one has hurt him.

493
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 1: Like that, not even visiting Luki who got him with

494
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: a joke and rocked him. Not the same, not face

495
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: first on the ko. That will be in all highlight reels,

496
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: that will be in any kind of future where he's

497
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: setting up a fight. And dude, you can like this

498
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: fact or you can hate this fact. It's gonna set

499
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 1: him up well. He was headed for disaster and then

500
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: pulled it all the way around with a vicious, vicious

501
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: ko of a celebrated UFC champion.

502
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 2: And we wanted time when to let his hands go more.

503
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 2: That was a big narrative heading into this fight, and Luke,

504
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 2: we didn't get that, And now it's like.

505
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 1: Who we did it first?

506
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 2: We did it first half of the first round, in

507
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: which ultimately he attempted more punches in that first round

508
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: than he had in any round in the first fight.

509
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 2: But overall, I mean, they both land forty three total

510
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: punches according to Compeybox, although Jake did land over forty

511
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 2: percent of his power shots, which is key.

512
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: But they only gave four jabs to Woodley, so thirty

513
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 1: nine of those are power punches. That's something.

514
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 2: It's just I think you look at the quick turnaround

515
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: for Woodley. He was in decent shape, but not necessarily

516
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: in fight shape. He was filming a TV show at

517
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 2: the time. I think we looked at those, Luke, as

518
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: reasons of maybe the five hundred thousand dollars potential bonus,

519
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: the lack of a full training camp. It's time to leave,

520
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: no doubt. He didn't do that in this evening, and

521
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: ultimately he was headed toward a decision loss. You saw

522
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 2: that Jake was up on all three score cards, and

523
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 2: even though nothing was really happening, to try to argue

524
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: these rounds for Woodley really feels like it could have

525
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 2: been feudle. So this was a very disappointing night for him,

526
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: all things considered.

527
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk about Tyber Woodley. What does this

528
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: do to his twenty twenty two for which he had

529
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: big plans. There were some discussions that he could potentially

530
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: meet Dan Hardy in some kind of boxing or kickboxing affair.

531
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: Where does that go.

532
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: From here unless he's going to MMA for some of

533
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: these fun matchups and you're really just trying to play

534
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 2: out the string. I think it was disastrous, Luke. I

535
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 2: think it was disastrous across the board for the idea

536
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 2: of the vitality Is that the word I'm looking for.

537
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: Maybe the vitality of him boxing somebody like a Dan Hardy.

538
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: Where's the hook?

539
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: Now? Whose fault was it that the fight was boring?

540
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: I think it was both equally, and it was too

541
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: boring to be one guy.

542
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 2: So you and I had have been into an argument

543
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: early in terms of who is initiating the clinches. I

544
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 2: think in the end both were, but I thought it

545
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 2: was Jake was way.

546
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. If you were typing like you were,

547
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: and you looked up, you would see one guy doing it,

548
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: and then if you typed and went down, the other

549
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: guy would do it. Because they were both doing so

550
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: much clinching it eventually it eventually there's no way to

551
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: say one guy was more responsible for it than the other. Over.

552
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you could go through the tape and

553
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: like count it or whatever, but it looked like he

554
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: was PERI I.

555
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: Thought somebody like Jake who had those distinct advantages, that

556
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: the age they reached, the height and all that. I

557
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 2: didn't like the look that I was seeing. I was

558
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 2: seeing a second half career of Vlatimer Klinchco strategy almost

559
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: coming out of Jake, which is I've got the length advantage,

560
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: but I don't want to allow my opponent to get

561
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: inside because I don't want to take those shots. So

562
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: what do I do. I'm gonna throw out a jab,

563
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 2: whether I landed or not, I'm going to clinch right

564
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,479
Speaker 2: after that. Now, did Jake's credit, if you can give

565
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,479
Speaker 2: him that, he was busier in the clinch. But these

566
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 2: aren't punching that or any level of significance. They're just

567
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 2: sort of slapping dirty boxing. I didn't like that look

568
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: of you know, I'm not even going to commit to

569
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 2: the jab. I'm just gonna throw it. And anytime Tyrone's

570
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: getting close, or if I'm getting close by trying to

571
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 2: punch him, I'm locking up. And I think as Woodley

572
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 2: began to fatigue, he was executing the same game plan.

573
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: And when you get a crowd here, and let's let's

574
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 2: remind this isn't by any means a traditional boxing crowd.

575
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 2: This is we saw as we went to get food

576
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: earlier in the night. It looked like some wings of

577
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 2: it looked like a prom.

578
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: Some wings of it looked like a gathering.

579
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 2: This crowd, I think, you know, rightfully turned on the

580
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: the what they were what.

581
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: Do you expect him to do? Right? I mean they

582
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: were expecting one thing based on all the promise, and

583
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: they got they got another up until.

584
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 2: I got to ask you any question because you've been

585
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: talking for a while here at different levels of volume too,

586
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: as the producers keep telling you to.

587
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: I know, but it's like, yo, you can't keep this base,

588
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: oh hidden.

589
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: I gotta ask you this because you know they asked men, CBS, Sports, HQ,

590
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: and it's a key question, like you know, what could

591
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: be next for Jake? What should be next for Jake?

592
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of that answer is rightfully

593
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 2: tied up in whether these big U names, especially ones

594
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: that are toward the end of their contracts, how quickly

595
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 2: can they get out of it? And is there a

596
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 2: way at all that Dana Wayne company would be persuaded

597
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: to co promote No to the ladder, okay, right, that's fair.

598
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: No chance they get no chance.

599
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: So how careful do they have to be moving forward

600
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: in the matchmaking, especially if they can't draw these big

601
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: trash talking UFC names to get somebody that guarantees some

602
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 2: level of talking, because it's a big part of how

603
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: you sell a non traditional fight. But also a guarantee

604
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 2: of action. Do you need Does Jake and Paul and

605
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: team need to be in there with somebody who the

606
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 2: fans believe can knock him out to really get that

607
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: buzz back them.

608
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got I think a little bit. And I again, dude,

609
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,719
Speaker 1: I think if the goal of you're Jake Paul, if

610
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: the goal was we got to keep this thing moving

611
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: forward in a direction where we can monetize it the

612
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: way we had hoped. Tonight's fight didn't do any good.

613
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: But tonight's win did him a ton of good and

614
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: I think probably enough to keep it. Certainly on the tracks.

615
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: You would have to imagine there was a lot of

616
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: illusions through what Jake Paul was wearing and saying to

617
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: Tommy Fury.

618
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: Yeah for a guy he told us on Wednesday fumbled

619
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: the ball and would never get a fight against him.

620
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: I think he was. I don't. Here's the thing, It's

621
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: not the best fight that they could make. It's not

622
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: the biggest fight they can make. The biggest and probably

623
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: the best fight they can make is either you could

624
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: argue Canelo, but let's say realistically, it's probably Nate Diaz.

625
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: Nate Diaz versus Jake Paul. Nate Diaz has one fight

626
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: left on his UFC contract. One Now we don't know

627
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: when that's going to be, we don't know against who

628
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: that's gonna be, and we don't know what it's going

629
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: to do to him. But he's only got one left.

630
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: If he can get out of that relatively unscathed, they

631
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: can make a fight with him and Jake. It'll do

632
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: huge numbers, but that could be a while. So you

633
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: have Tommy sitting there in this space where he can

634
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: still promote to a large audience. He still has this

635
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: this following from this other world outside of boxing.

636
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: And the sale, the sale that you're fighting a real

637
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: box you're fighting a real boxer again again, we all

638
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: know the story, Like how real do you want to

639
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: say he is?

640
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: But you know he doesn't do anything else other than

641
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: reality shows.

642
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: Something I'll tell you. Unless Nate Diaz takes a quick

643
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: UFC return and then is out of his deal, it's

644
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: got to be Tommy Ferry next.

645
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: It has to be.

646
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: I don't know who else it could be, because that's

647
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: the question, who else could it be? Because you're what

648
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: you're looking for At that point, You've got to find

649
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: somebody like Woodley who's free. And when you find fighters

650
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: at that age at that you know system when they're free,

651
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: it's usually because they've lost a certain amount and they're

652
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: on the way out. Is there a type of crossover

653
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: fight involving in delatre fighter or something we're not thinking

654
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: of at the moment. That's gonna be what.

655
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: Dylan Dannis would be a big one, but not in

656
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: boxing like an aj McKee. But aj McKee might fuck

657
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: him up, Like, you know, I don't know if I

658
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: will take that fight. You know, it's one thing to

659
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: get like, oh, what I mean. Here's the thing. Tybyn

660
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: Woodley was a great opponent for a lot of reasons.

661
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: One was that he was well past his prime by

662
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: the time you got him, and yet in prime as

663
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: a capable self promoter, right like, he is very good

664
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: at that and still actively good at that. Fighting a

665
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: little bit less so, but he's got all these athletic

666
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: credentials and he can sell a fight. That's why you

667
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: get these guys at the end of their UFC runs.

668
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: They've made some money, but they haven't made the big

669
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: big money. Jake Paul fight offers the big big money.

670
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: The UFC guys They're like, I've already done all my

671
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: glory days. I don't know if I really care about winning.

672
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: Do they really care about beating Jake? I mean surely

673
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: that they do. They want the money, but they want

674
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: the money. Jake Paul's happy to give them the money.

675
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: All of this is about the money. Is the prize fighting,

676
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: get game, That's what it all comes down to do.

677
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: Jake Paul facilitates that for himself and for others in

678
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: these circumstances. Again, you can like these facts or you

679
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: can hate these facts. You can watch these fights or

680
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: you can skip them. All of this is entirely up

681
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,959
Speaker 1: to you. But will this continue? Yes? Will it continue

682
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: to make money at least for the next one. Absolutely,

683
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: And if Jake Paul plays that one right and Na

684
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: Diaz gets out of his contract unscathed, Folks, I'm telling you,

685
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it is possible, maybe unlikely, but possible

686
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: under the right circumstances that if I could do almost

687
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: two million buys, I really believe that it could do

688
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: something extraordinary, even if you think it shouldn't and doesn't

689
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: deserve to.

690
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: I think when you look at that, that still falls

691
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: in terms of das a size, even though he's a

692
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: much more accomplished boxer in theory than a Tip Woody

693
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: would be. At crossing Over, you're still essentially fighting someone

694
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: of MMA welterweight class, which is about competition at won seventy,

695
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: and you're making them rise up about twenty pounds to

696
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: the just.

697
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: Basically walter waights who don't cut.

698
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: Basically, those are still natural advantages for Jake, along with

699
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: the age. But yet we've so recently seen Nate get

700
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: into fights and have success and have people love that.

701
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: That's the cell right there, But that's going to take

702
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: some How about this, I throw it out and you

703
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: just tell me if I'm crazy, forty seven year old

704
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: Oscar dala Hoya, he'd still f up Jake Paul.

705
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: So you're doing it like an exhibition style.

706
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: Right, whatever you want to call it. I'm just I'm

707
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: trying to think outside the box for our listeners.

708
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: So there's Anderson Silva. He's still floating out there.

709
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: So that would do. I think that would sell more

710
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: than we realized.

711
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: I think they would sell a lot. But that's a

712
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: risky issue.

713
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: That's a very risky fight.

714
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: Yes, Andy might be pushing fifty, but he'll put hands

715
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: on you. I mean, you don't play with the spider,

716
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: So maybe that's too risky. But a nate that's been

717
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, is getting cut every single fight, who's closer

718
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: to forty even thirty, who's looking for a big pit.

719
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: I mean these are dude, Jake Paul found the tiniest

720
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: little window. I'm gonna get MMA fighters who can promote

721
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: their ass off and who people love. I'm gonna get

722
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: them at the end of their run, when they haven't

723
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: made all the money they want to. I'm gonna offer

724
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: them that chance to do it under the devil's condition

725
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: that they have to do it in a sport where

726
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: I'm better. You know, It's just it's a genius way

727
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: to make money. It's a genius way to make money.

728
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: And he he came close to fucking it up today.

729
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: We can be honest, but he didn't. He scored a vicious,

730
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: vicious face planting ko over Tyron Woodley. Unbelievable.

731
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: I mean, let's be let's be honest. The beginning of

732
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: round six of Woodley Paul two.

733
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: I I was checked out.

734
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: You weren't just checked out, you were like, how do

735
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,959
Speaker 2: I get back my money in time? From Jacobs.

736
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: I was pretty pissed. Yeah, yeah, I was pretty pissed.

737
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: But then you know, the fight game can be unpredictable, BC,

738
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: it can be unpredictable.

739
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: You bet a full shocking knockout punch. Let's give him

740
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: that credit.

741
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: Did he set it up good too? You know, faking

742
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: to the body, backed up, went right back to it

743
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: and then he like he was going low and then

744
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: went over the top a little bit like sean Omule

745
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: scoring the knockout win that he had against Halley and Piva. Well,

746
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: last weekend's UFC.

747
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: You know they asked men HQ. I think it was

748
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: a good question. Shout out to Joe Musso and that hair.

749
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, the hair is better than Joe. You

750
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You could remove Joe from the hair.

751
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 2: You know, it was sort of what did we see

752
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: for improvements from Jake Paul? Was this say, step back

753
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: or a lateral step for the most of it, and

754
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: he got lucky with one punch.

755
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that I saw a ton of improvements.

756
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: Well, I'll say this, Look, he's very poised. He doesn't

757
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: tend to get First of all, he doesn't make big

758
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 2: technical mistakes that put him into trouble. Yeah, and he doesn't.

759
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: I mean, look, the clinching is it's unforgivable almost at

760
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 2: this point, and you know, and you question. He looked

761
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:36,959
Speaker 2: like he was in the best shape of his career.

762
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: Sanity.

763
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: I want to see him go hard for three minutes

764
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: every round, but there's never a panic in him, and

765
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: that's what can can mess a fighter up. Luke, Okay,

766
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 2: you got a lot you're looking.

767
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: At over Here's just a lot going on to right's.

768
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: Hairline that's got you. He's got that little like like

769
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: cutting it that like you know, that aggressive parts.

770
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: That it's not that.

771
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: They're coming for you.

772
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're coming over here. Everyone is just kind of

773
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: looking over here and doing their thing. Yeah all right,

774
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: it's fine. Yeah, I know they're moving. I just it's

775
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: just boxing. Press conferences are a disase.

776
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 2: I've lost your mojo since they started lingering.

777
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: Do you know what is man? Like? What I'm in

778
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: line to, like, go someplace. I don't like people who

779
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: try to cut into the side. Not that they were

780
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: doing that, but it gave me the feeling like they

781
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: were and then I have to go fist fight everybody.

782
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: And I don't want to fist fight everybody, but they're

783
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: gonna make me if they start cutting off to the

784
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: side of which I didn't care for.

785
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: A Manda Toronto gave us a little bit of a

786
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: fun fight there with an iron chin. Merriam curtain defense

787
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: was not on point today, right, No, because here's the deal.

788
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: I think Serrano was looking at this is look, I

789
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 2: gotta make a statement. I got a lot of fans

790
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: looking at me. My first fight with MVP Promotions, first fighter,

791
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: Jake Paul. We know we're a second I mean first,

792
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 2: but you know we're building toward that, you know, the

793
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: Tikatie Taylor fight. And I think that she does which

794
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, if there's any time she gets

795
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 2: herself into trouble but could be is if she feels

796
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: there's an opening there for a finish, she'll stand and

797
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: eat the punches to let it go. I mean, she's

798
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: a finisher more than she's a pure boxer. At the

799
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: end of the day, it was just the cood ears.

800
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 2: I mean, you see the picture of her nose and

801
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: her face.

802
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: Afterwards, it was Wow.

803
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 2: Did she take some time? I mean, I think to

804
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: the point where surround to take a step back and

805
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: be like, okay, let's just fight from distance.

806
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: So she absolutely laid it on her. What did you

807
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: make about the Frank Lore and Darren Williams fight a

808
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: little bit slippy, a little bit messag, which we've expected.

809
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: Their novices thought it was the most consistent fun theater

810
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: of the night, you know. And it wasn't due to,

811
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 2: like you mentioned, the full on and you know, crossover implementation,

812
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 2: but it was. Look. Look, a height advantage and a

813
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: reach advantage. It can be a very valuable advantage if

814
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: you're willing to use it. I just didn't guess that

815
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: Darren Williams had that yet, you know, if he's been

816
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: training for over ten years at a high level of

817
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 2: him made Jim and doing different things, it seemed like

818
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 2: that was a natural. He was very comfortable in that moment.

819
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,479
Speaker 2: He didn't succumb to any big right hands over the top,

820
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: He kept his defense high, he used that distance, and

821
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: I thought I was very impressed in this subculture of

822
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: an already subculture John and Row of crossover athletes trying

823
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 2: to be boxers. He looks like you can handle himself.

824
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: And then Luke, were you surprised when he's like, hey,

825
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: by the way, I'm never doing this again.

826
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: No, I was not surprised. This shit's hard, and I

827
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: understand why he would want to be like, I'm one

828
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: and done with this. This is nonsense. I have no

829
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: interest in this, and God bless him, dude, for one

830
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: and done right. I thought he looked pretty good, all

831
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: things considered, for a complete novice out there in front

832
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: of tens of thousands of people doing what he was doing.

833
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 2: You're yelling again, though, It's really becoming a problem yelling.

834
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: This is just what it sounds like when a man talks.

835
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: You might not be used to it.

836
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: All right, Well, hey, you know Frank, Frank went after it.

837
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: I'll give Frank that credit.

838
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: But the production staff is like, when is this ape

839
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: gonna stop talking?

840
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 2: This show has devolved into just full on nonsense. All right,

841
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 2: I don't want to do it anymore.

842
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty done here. Can we call that? Yeah?

843
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: We're doing yeah?

844
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so I don't mean the show in

845
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 2: general with you. I've been to those you were there.

846
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: Okay, we should say this. We will have a show

847
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: on Monday. We're out tomorrow morning. We're gonna go home.

848
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: It don't bother tomorrow. Let us be with our fans.

849
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: Let's go with our family, and we'll be back Monday.

850
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: We'll watch this fight again. We'll have some new takes

851
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: for you. Thanks to everyone who supported our coverage while

852
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: we were here. You can go to Showtime get a

853
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: thirty day free trop because of course, the most important

854
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 1: thing is to promote Showtime's business interest on this post

855
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: fight show. And yeah, we'll be back on Monday with

856
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: a great show on everything plus all the UFC stuff.

857
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: We didn't even get to. Derek Louis looking pretty good.

858
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: So I told you about Derek Louis. You got all

859
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 2: you got all like bitchy.

860
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: Listen, I'm not one to shy away from being wrong.

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Speaker 1: Derek Louise look great. I mean, Derek Louise was gonna

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Speaker 1: be a big buncher, but I thought it'd be a

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Speaker 1: little bit harder.

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Speaker 2: If you think I'm gonna hang around, is you babble?

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, all right, I don't don't building unprofessional.

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Speaker 1: We got to get here like calmly, okay.

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Speaker 2: I don't know any other way. It's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Also, also, before we go, thanks to the production crew

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Speaker 1: who were absolute gems this whole week, and I had

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Speaker 1: to deal with a bunch of challenges and still figured.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to Matt Snyder.

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Speaker 1: What thanks Thanks to Matt Snyder who is definitely not

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Speaker 1: angry all the time, and and of course to Corey

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Speaker 1: and Gaff and everyone else that milk, all the people

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Speaker 1: who have done her great work were apreciate you. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas. Thanks for everyone who

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Speaker 1: helped us out in Tampa. We'll see you guys, We

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Speaker 1: miss you. We'll see you guys back on Monday. Until then, peace,