Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where every general manager starts to look.
Speaker 2: The same after a little while.
Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Indianapolis Convention Center alongside
Speaker 1: my friend fresh off the road, fresh after off of
Speaker 1: hugging half of these general managers because you're friends with
Speaker 1: all of them, Jordan Rodrigue of the Athletic.
Speaker 3: That was so nice, you know what. I did appreciate, Greg,
Speaker 3: and it's great to be here with you. One general
Speaker 3: manager that we will get to in a moment actually
Speaker 3: had as good of a jacket game as you did.
Speaker 1: Well, you're talking about James glads let's talk about it.
Speaker 1: I was able to meet this young man. You knew
Speaker 1: him already. He's going to be on the show. Young man,
Speaker 1: I mean, he is a young man to me. He's
Speaker 1: much younger than me, and he looks young even for
Speaker 1: his age.
Speaker 2: How did we describe him?
Speaker 1: Kind of like a beachy vibe, but with a little
Speaker 1: Patrick Bateman, you know, mixed in there.
Speaker 3: It's a compliment in a good way, because I think
Speaker 3: that a lot of people are starting to learn about James.
Speaker 4: He's a bit of a killer.
Speaker 1: Okay, So James Gladstone is the new general manager of
Speaker 1: the Jaguars.
Speaker 2: He's joining the show today.
Speaker 1: John Spytek, the new general manager of the Raiders, talked
Speaker 1: about the quarterback situation there, talked about how my friend,
Speaker 1: my personal trainer, wants it fixed. And so those are
Speaker 1: two interviews we're going to get to later in the show.
Speaker 1: We tape some other interviews as well that we're going
Speaker 1: to be playing throughout the week. I'm really excited for
Speaker 1: everyone to listen to that. But I want to work
Speaker 1: backwards here. We actually started today's show, and this is
Speaker 1: the day. Just to set the scene, Tuesday at the
Speaker 1: NFL Scouting Combine now has evolved into the day where
Speaker 1: most general managers and coaches speak. Yes, there's still a
Speaker 1: couple stragglers who are going up late even as we're taping,
Speaker 1: but we got to do a show. About forty five
Speaker 1: of them spoke on Tuesday day. A handful we'll speak
Speaker 1: on Wednesday as well. So this show is partly going
Speaker 1: to be about what we learned from all the press conferences.
Speaker 1: And I decided before the day even started. I just
Speaker 1: wrote a number. The show is going to be called
Speaker 1: forty seven things we learned from these press conferences, and
Speaker 1: then worked backwards from there. So we just tried to
Speaker 1: learn forty seven things and then we stopped learning.
Speaker 3: Thirteen more digits than James Gladstone has years.
Speaker 1: There you go, uh and it worked, blows. It was
Speaker 1: kind of amazing. We almost naturally right got it down
Speaker 1: to forty seven. I had to make some editing choics we.
Speaker 4: The Google docs.
Speaker 2: It was basically right there. And I love this week.
Speaker 5: Look.
Speaker 1: I got to see one of the greatest of all time,
Speaker 1: Nicola Jokic, have his career high and assist second most
Speaker 1: ever for a center last night at the Pacers game.
Speaker 2: You just walk like three blocks away.
Speaker 1: There there's great NBA basketball for shockingly cheap prices. And
Speaker 1: then on my way home, Drew Rosenhaus, the super agent,
Speaker 1: just stops me and I got both earbuds in and
Speaker 1: my head down and a hat.
Speaker 3: Was it your famous hat? No, Greg has a hat
Speaker 3: that makes him look really famous, I.
Speaker 1: Know, and he was Greg Greg and he and he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: great job with your your one oh one. You keep
Speaker 1: keep at it like you really know your stuff. I
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, thank you, Drew Rosenhouse, super agent.
Speaker 3: Did you say thank you super Drew Rosenhouse, Comma super Agent.
Speaker 2: I wish I had.
Speaker 4: I wish you would have. I think he would have
Speaker 4: loved that.
Speaker 1: I was so taken aback and was in the middle
Speaker 1: of like my Celtics podcast that I'm listening to that
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, thank you, thank you, and then
Speaker 1: I wish you know you think of what you should
Speaker 1: have said after the fact. I would have liked to
Speaker 1: hear among his climents, who did I think who did
Speaker 1: he think was too low? Because usually they're complaining about,
Speaker 1: oh you didn't have him too high, too low.
Speaker 2: I would have liked to hear his opinion.
Speaker 3: But you know, I got to tell you though, he
Speaker 3: was clearly it was a drive by compliment, which means
Speaker 3: he was certainly not looking to engage in a deep conversation. Great,
Speaker 3: so I actually think it went perfectly because you really
Speaker 3: could have kept him lingering there, like way long longer
Speaker 3: than he planned, and then he'd be like, I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna compliment that guy next time. He's just gonna talk
Speaker 3: to me all day.
Speaker 1: Come on, maybe he wanted to talk. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: whild I shouldn't have been surprised or ran into someone.
Speaker 1: It was outside of Saint Elmos, the famous steakhouse. I
Speaker 1: mean if you've been to Indianapolis for the Combined Ones,
Speaker 1: you've heard these stories before, and there is something pleasingly
Speaker 1: familiar about it all, including all these press conferences.
Speaker 2: Let's get to it.
Speaker 1: Number one on our list, Yes, forty seven things we learned.
Speaker 1: I do think it was ultimately the most significant news
Speaker 1: of the day. Travis Kelcey is expected to return to
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs for the twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 1: Brett Veatch first broke the news at the podium, surprising,
Speaker 1: you don't usually get big news at the podium. He
Speaker 1: then later was on NFL Network, Let's take a list,
Speaker 1: and this is him with Tom Pellisera.
Speaker 6: It seems like we're gonna get good news on Travis Kelsey.
Speaker 6: Can we turn off the Twitter alerts? Can we put
Speaker 6: it the bad as he definitely playing in twenty twenty five?
Speaker 7: I think so. I mean there's been a a lot
Speaker 7: of the you know, timeline and deadlines, and you know
Speaker 7: that's something that we as an organization haven't discussed, and
Speaker 7: we anticipate Travis being back, and if something changes, I'm
Speaker 7: sure NFL Network will be the first to break it, right, but.
Speaker 3: I would hope. So, yeah, you can help with that
Speaker 3: if you want.
Speaker 7: No, I think you know, we're excited to have Travis back,
Speaker 7: and that's how we're operating this offseason and kind of
Speaker 7: go from there.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm surprised I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't think we were going to get to watch
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey play football again. It's interesting, I think from
Speaker 1: a breadth beach perspective, because that's seventeen million dollars lesson
Speaker 1: cap space you have to work with. They obviously want
Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey back, but there would have been positives and
Speaker 1: negatives to both sides.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, I feel like he's made them a
Speaker 3: lot of money actually recently, So I feel like, in
Speaker 3: a roundabout way, he has helped make them a lot
Speaker 3: of money recently. So I feel like that's that's a
Speaker 3: small potatoes thing to for the GM to be worried about.
Speaker 3: They can manage it. They'll be fine. The thing that's
Speaker 3: interesting you talk to players about this near the end
Speaker 3: of their career, and then those to ponder potential retirement
Speaker 3: or even taking a break or taking a longer runway
Speaker 3: to think about things.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 3: It was a quick decision because there was a deadline
Speaker 3: on it. But it also is interesting he didn't go out.
Speaker 3: If he went out this year, it would have been
Speaker 3: I think a sour taste in his mouth because of
Speaker 3: the way he finished the season, because of the way
Speaker 3: the Chiefs finished the season. You rarely get the shiny
Speaker 3: fairy tale ending, but I kind of think this man
Speaker 3: does believe in fairy tales. I mean, look at his life.
Speaker 1: That is absolutely true. This is a man who just
Speaker 1: expects great things to.
Speaker 4: Happen, manifests and incredible.
Speaker 1: He's made it all happen. Yeah, sometimes it's not a
Speaker 1: fairy tale ending. We'll have more on another tight end
Speaker 1: in just the little bit. Number two on our list,
Speaker 1: we gotta got. Terry Fonteau is at the podium and
Speaker 1: quickly and aggressively said that their plan remains the same.
Speaker 1: Michael Pennox is their starting quarterback, Kirk Cousins is their
Speaker 1: backup quarterback, and Kirk Cousins is going to remain with
Speaker 1: the Falcons for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 2: Do you buy it?
Speaker 3: I buy it. I'm not surprised. I was texting with
Speaker 3: someone over there the other day about Michael Pennix and
Speaker 3: just the glowy nature of the conversation and the way
Speaker 3: that he throws the ball, the way that they see
Speaker 3: him throw the ball in the reps that we don't
Speaker 3: see on the outside in practice. He obviously popped. I'm
Speaker 3: not surprised when when he did get playing time, I
Speaker 3: am not surprised.
Speaker 2: But do you buy that kirk Cousins is going to
Speaker 2: be on the team. I don't.
Speaker 3: Oh that part, no, I don't buy. I don't buy that.
Speaker 3: But the Penix thing is that's real love right there.
Speaker 3: But the rest of it, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think that's what you say when you're trying to
Speaker 3: drive up a trade price.
Speaker 1: I agree, this is lying season in the NFL.
Speaker 4: Really, I would never lie to you again, it's.
Speaker 1: Regular season, but the draft in general, especially pre pre
Speaker 1: free agency, is uh, you know, line season. Fat Noah
Speaker 1: also said he was totally surprised that kirk Cousins had
Speaker 1: an injury. The first they learned of it, he indicated,
Speaker 1: was when kirk Cousins talked to the media. So it
Speaker 1: does feel like they're covering themselves.
Speaker 3: I do love that. It's like it's a way of saying, no,
Speaker 3: there's no way, because of course I would know about this,
Speaker 3: so there's no way that was anything other than hedging.
Speaker 1: If anything, that's kind of making his guy, Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 1: looks bad. I still believe strongly that he will be traded.
Speaker 1: And I think what that statement is to the rest
Speaker 1: of the league, we are not cutting him.
Speaker 2: You have to give us something.
Speaker 1: And if the best we can do for kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: is that we're gonna pay part of his salary and
Speaker 1: get a fifth round pick, then that's that's better than nothing,
Speaker 1: and that's what we're aiming for. Maybe he's aiming for hire.
Speaker 1: We'll see. I don't I do not buy that one.
Speaker 1: All right, Points three through six. We're from Omar Khan,
Speaker 1: the Steelers GM. He has said ownership said it, and
Speaker 1: now he said it. They were happy with russ Anfields
Speaker 1: and they specifically say they've talked to both representatives and
Speaker 1: they want either one to come back.
Speaker 2: Very unique. I I don't.
Speaker 1: Remember a free agency quarterback situation quite like that where
Speaker 1: they're openly saying we don't want both of them back,
Speaker 1: we do want one of them back.
Speaker 2: And he's almost pressed, you know, leveraging the agent.
Speaker 4: You guys pick, That's basically what it is.
Speaker 2: It's like you guys pick about who's gonna take less.
Speaker 3: Money, pick who's gonna yeah, who's who's taking this job?
Speaker 3: And I just it's fascinating too.
Speaker 2: You must have a favorite, though they have to.
Speaker 4: It is lying season.
Speaker 1: They did play Russell Wilson most of the year, so
Speaker 1: that you would think that would be him, But long
Speaker 1: term Fields makes more sense.
Speaker 3: It is interesting. It's it to me very overtway to
Speaker 3: drive the ultimate price down. But I do think it's
Speaker 3: funny where he's basically like, decide.
Speaker 4: Amongst yourself, I know, and they it's like so funny
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 1: He also, like a lot of the gms that spoke today,
Speaker 1: said look, they want multiple ways to attack the position.
Speaker 1: I think they'll draft someone to whether whether it's early
Speaker 1: or not, we'll see, I said points three through six.
Speaker 2: He said a few things. They want to get a
Speaker 2: deal done with TJ. Watt.
Speaker 1: He's not going to be a guy that's on the
Speaker 1: trade blocket. He was pretty strong saying we want Pickens.
Speaker 1: We want George Pickens to be great. We want him
Speaker 1: to be great here. Yeah, we expect him to be here.
Speaker 1: My friend Bill Barnwell threw him out as a potential
Speaker 1: trade candidate. I actually do kind of believe con here
Speaker 1: because I don't think the market would be worth getting
Speaker 1: rid of a guy that's that talented. And then he
Speaker 1: also used the term fake news in an answer to
Speaker 1: a question about Matthew Stafford. We could have a little
Speaker 1: bit of your Stafford intel at this point, why not?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean those front offices, both of them have
Speaker 3: a great relationship and they are in near constant communication
Speaker 3: throughout the course of the year. And obviously you can't
Speaker 3: be right now, but during the season they were on
Speaker 3: the phone with the Steelers talking about what it would
Speaker 3: look like for a Cooper Cup situation in true so
Speaker 3: I have to imagine other people came up at that
Speaker 3: time as well. But it is interesting, like I just
Speaker 3: think Matthew statt Or he's a bullet point. So we're
Speaker 3: not going to get to it quite yet, but he's
Speaker 3: gonna come up on a few teams.
Speaker 2: That you have listened to give it to me now.
Speaker 3: It's just it's been so fluid. So I reported earlier
Speaker 3: this week that you know, the Rams gave his agent,
Speaker 3: Jimmy Sexton, permission to talk to other teams about his
Speaker 3: contract terms. Obviously that serves a lot of purposes that
Speaker 3: is a fact check. Is his market really what he
Speaker 3: thinks it is and the agent thinks it is.
Speaker 4: Or is it more aligned to what the rams think
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 3: By which is lower because there is a discrepancy between
Speaker 3: the two numbers. It's this multiple truth situation that something
Speaker 3: has to give where they I fully believe that both
Speaker 3: sides want to get a deal done.
Speaker 4: I don't know that it will get done right.
Speaker 1: We talked with Tom Pelisarah really at length about this
Speaker 1: on Monday show Losing Track of the Days that happens
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, and he talked about there's only a couple
Speaker 1: of places that really are fits and what I picked
Speaker 1: up from Omar Khan the way he said fake news
Speaker 1: that really was an answer to me, and what Tom,
Speaker 1: who's connected sitting. I don't know if the Steelers are
Speaker 1: a fit for Matthew staffort to me, that's a team
Speaker 1: I'm not going to cross off, but I would be
Speaker 1: very surprised.
Speaker 3: I do think, especially with Pickens to the conversation about
Speaker 3: Pickens and wanting to develop and mature a little bit,
Speaker 3: I do think Cooper cup might be in the conversation.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think that could make sense.
Speaker 1: They are a team that makes a lot of sense,
Speaker 1: and con did say they need to improve their wide
Speaker 1: receiver position. He also said he would do the Mike
Speaker 1: Williams and Preston Smith trades.
Speaker 2: Again he doesn't regret them. Well you should?
Speaker 3: Is that fake news? Maybe?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would call.
Speaker 1: Mike Williams, you want to He won a game and
Speaker 1: he was worth a shot, and actually for the right price,
Speaker 1: maybe you might even return there, get.
Speaker 4: Them one more game than the other.
Speaker 1: Other words, if you literally just cut and you gave up,
Speaker 1: you didn't give up much form. So I guess maybe
Speaker 1: he was saying it was worth a shot. Didn't work
Speaker 1: out all right. Points seven through ten are all by
Speaker 1: our guy, Joe Shane Shane. He needs a quarterback in
Speaker 1: both the draft and free agency. He pointed out multiple times,
Speaker 1: our only quarterback is Tommy DeVito. We need to attack
Speaker 1: this in multiple ways, and he deferred to the Rams
Speaker 1: when asked specifically about Matthew Stafford. But in the side
Speaker 1: session with you know beat reporters they're reporting from that
Speaker 1: was he mentioned multiple times like we are going to
Speaker 1: be aggressive, yes, and again we're back to our guy.
Speaker 3: Yes, and my god, here we are back again, just
Speaker 3: like the Rams and Matthew Stafford as they were last year. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I do think that there are a couple of teams
Speaker 3: that will emerge as possible fits. And I think that
Speaker 3: the Giants are going to be one of them. And
Speaker 3: I also think that the Raiders are.
Speaker 2: Potentially Those are the two loones that make the most sense, and.
Speaker 3: They the thing with Dable and Shane right now, For me,
Speaker 3: my this is just conjecture for me, just educated like
Speaker 3: looking at things. I think he wants a chance to
Speaker 3: show his work. I think he wants a chance to
Speaker 3: really show this is the kind of coach I am
Speaker 3: capable of, This is the kind of schemer that I'm
Speaker 3: capable of being. This is what I can really do
Speaker 3: when you have a quarterback of that caliber and your
Speaker 3: job is in danger. It's not just about winning games
Speaker 3: and trying to go make an aggressive move to a
Speaker 3: save both jobs and b try to really go for it.
Speaker 3: But also I think he wants to show his work.
Speaker 3: I think that there's a lot of conversations about sort
Speaker 3: of a backslide with Brian Dable with and I think
Speaker 3: he's a good coach and I think he's a smart
Speaker 3: offensive coach for sure.
Speaker 4: I think he wants to show it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Stafford would give him that chance in the
Speaker 1: same way that he did for McVeigh.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: A few years ago, Joe Shane was asked though what
Speaker 1: matters most to him in a quarterback mentioned how his
Speaker 1: son is playing quarterback right now, and he said, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you the same thing that I tell my son.
Speaker 1: The two things that matter the most completely and wins.
Speaker 3: Oh, no, we're getting We're moving backwards as a as
Speaker 3: a community.
Speaker 4: If he thinks wins are a quarterback.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it, he's looking in a team
Speaker 1: that it doesn't mean anything. But he said completions and wins.
Speaker 1: And the more that you hear from Joe Shane, the
Speaker 1: more he just seems like the guy that you saw
Speaker 1: on Hard Knocks. Here is Joe Shane being asked by
Speaker 1: your colleague kayln Kaylor.
Speaker 4: Oh, the King of the car.
Speaker 1: It's an audio medium, so that didn't work. Your little
Speaker 1: stop by. Also, I was just throwing to sound, so
Speaker 1: you're kind of yeah, it'll it'll be on air.
Speaker 3: I'd like to continue to pretend that we're not on air.
Speaker 3: It makes him feel safer.
Speaker 2: My point is, no one could hear you if you're
Speaker 2: not near.
Speaker 3: I'd be honored.
Speaker 1: No, uh Ian rappaport off into the night. Let's listen
Speaker 1: to Joe Shane. He was asked about his experience on
Speaker 1: Hard Knocks if anyone from other teams have asked him,
Speaker 1: you know how it was.
Speaker 8: If any general manager called you to ask about what
Speaker 8: you're seeing, experience was like last year.
Speaker 2: And what they still what have you told them?
Speaker 5: No, I haven't gotten any calls. I think I know
Speaker 5: what that would do.
Speaker 1: And you know, I like that Joe Shane can laugh
Speaker 1: about it. I think he knows that that program did
Speaker 1: not reflect well at him. Neither does his record.
Speaker 3: Frankly, you know what, it was a topic of conversation
Speaker 3: among executives across the league when it came out, Like
Speaker 3: I got a couple text being like, what did you think?
Speaker 3: Honest opinion from people around the league who were wondering
Speaker 3: because they're going to be the ones deciding whether or
Speaker 3: not they're going.
Speaker 4: To be in this dang show and oh man, like
Speaker 4: they were critical.
Speaker 1: They were like, there's no there there with that Yeah,
Speaker 1: with that front office, and that's got to be hard
Speaker 1: to hear even third hand. So Joe Shane and I, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think the hard knocks thing is happening for
Speaker 1: any other teams out there. Let's go to those were
Speaker 1: you know, points seven through eleven if you were really
Speaker 1: we're actually making a pretty good time. I think Liam Cohen,
Speaker 1: I just want to mentione he's back and he is
Speaker 1: swaying just as much.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you clocked this at the podium.
Speaker 5: The duval.
Speaker 1: I didn't do that, but he was moving side to
Speaker 1: side the whole time, but seemed much more relaxed. So
Speaker 1: sometimes that first press conference is one thing, but then
Speaker 1: you see him he's filling in who he is as
Speaker 1: a coach, and I like it a little different vibe.
Speaker 1: And I do like that he said that their passing
Speaker 1: game will go through Brian Thomas Junior.
Speaker 3: Smart, very smart, just good coaching right there, good thinking,
Speaker 3: good plan. Brian Thomas Junior rocks. He's a guy who rules.
Speaker 2: A guy who.
Speaker 1: Was that good as a rookie, could have been Rookie
Speaker 1: of the Year. Yes, it was a different year and
Speaker 1: is only going to get better. I think it was
Speaker 1: kind of raw coming in in terms of his route
Speaker 1: running things, so I think he's going to improve. I
Speaker 1: love how strong he was. Of course, they also really
Speaker 1: spoke highly. He spoke Higlie of Trevor Lawrence in all
Speaker 1: the ways that they're gonna improve. We talked to James
Speaker 1: Gladstone a little bit coming up, so you'll you'll hear
Speaker 1: that that's the new Jaguars general manager. We also spoke
Speaker 1: with Dave Canalis. We're gonna hold that interview because I
Speaker 1: maybe you guys could tell me differently.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like shotgunting, like five straight interviews is
Speaker 1: what the listeners need. So we're gonna We're gonna spread
Speaker 1: out the good stuff. And I really liked getting a
Speaker 1: feel of who Canalis was as a person. But our
Speaker 1: thirteenth point here is just some factual stuff on their
Speaker 1: wide receivers.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 1: Xavier Loget, their first round pick, undergoing foot surgery. They're
Speaker 1: expecting he'll be back for training camp, maybe even some
Speaker 1: of the offseason. And he seemed in to me. I
Speaker 1: tried to ask him if they're bringing Adam Theling back.
Speaker 1: That was maybe, of course he would want Adam Thielen back.
Speaker 1: He almost seemed like it was Adam up to Adam
Speaker 1: thelen Willer he wants to return. Because I was curious
Speaker 1: if they would bring back that same wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Could Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think they need to continue to add there in
Speaker 3: the via the draft specifically, And I don't know. To me,
Speaker 3: it sounded almost like bring another case of Okay, we've
Speaker 3: been talking about this with Dan Morgan the GM ownership. Okay,
Speaker 3: bring the price down a little bit, bring the price
Speaker 3: down a little bit, and maybe he's back.
Speaker 2: I hope he's back. He's a great player.
Speaker 1: And I loved what Canal has said about that wide
Speaker 1: receiver room and just competition in general, that he wants
Speaker 1: to throw more talent in that mix that is in
Speaker 1: create some chaos and creation.
Speaker 3: You know what. Okay, So he's very buttoned up, right,
Speaker 3: like he's very polished and all that, like lots of
Speaker 3: media training and all of that. He almost cursed on
Speaker 3: our show, and in the best way, like he said,
Speaker 3: he almost said f some up. And I think that
Speaker 3: that was I was like, Okay, that is that is
Speaker 3: the real, Like we were asking him what his meetings
Speaker 3: are like and all of that.
Speaker 1: That's the real. That was the real one right there.
Speaker 1: And it's a great point and looking forward to hearing
Speaker 1: him later. But my takeaway from that too with the
Speaker 1: wide receiver group reading between the line, it's like they
Speaker 1: have three threes right now. Yeah, and so they need
Speaker 1: to get more talented there, even though defense is probably
Speaker 1: their main focus. All right, number fourteen, And look, that's
Speaker 1: like original reporting we're doing here. This isn't all just aggregating.
Speaker 1: That was our interview that we're crediting, but fourteen is aggregating.
Speaker 1: This is a report I couldn't believe when I saw today.
Speaker 4: I thought you were lying to me when you said it.
Speaker 1: I saught Sears, a lammy who used to be at football.
Speaker 1: Guys been around a long time, really respect him. He
Speaker 1: had some sources and some reporting that Rob Gronkowski is
Speaker 1: training with the plan to return to play football in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. I would guess that's not something where
Speaker 1: a signing is going to come early in the offseason.
Speaker 5: Bud.
Speaker 1: He did mention, and it's a Broncos reporter mentioning is
Speaker 1: that you know, Gronk and Sean Payton got to know
Speaker 1: each other a little bit on the Fox set, and
Speaker 1: that that might be a fit. I could I could
Speaker 1: kind of see that, and so we might have to
Speaker 1: restart that Canton clock for Rob Gnkowski.
Speaker 3: I could just picture how that conversation went there like
Speaker 3: in the green room, like having a coffee together or
Speaker 3: something like that, and he's like, yeah, bro, I could
Speaker 3: totally still go. I could totally still go watch I'll
Speaker 3: train and I'll show you watch. I could totally Sean
Speaker 3: Payton going all right, bet like, let's see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sean Payton, we'll get a work out. At least
Speaker 1: who finds a brighter hoodie to wear each and every year?
Speaker 1: I love that man. Had a great joke today. He's
Speaker 1: not in the show, but he had a great joke.
Speaker 1: You know, he was thanking Pete Carroll for keeping him
Speaker 1: the youngest coach in the AFC West, or making him
Speaker 1: the youngest coach in the AFC West. And you know
Speaker 1: what's kind of sneaky about Rob Gronkowski not that old.
Speaker 1: His body took a lot of beatings, but he will
Speaker 1: be turning thirty six in May.
Speaker 3: How's the liver?
Speaker 1: That's a question that needs to be asked. But he's
Speaker 1: much younger than Mercedes Lewis.
Speaker 4: Who is you know, still going?
Speaker 1: Still going? Yes, that was a surprising report. All right,
Speaker 1: change your gears. We'll get serious here for a second.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to Eric Tacosta, the general manager of the
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens. Now, the Ravens had released a few statements
Speaker 1: about the allegations against Justin Tucker and the multiple many
Speaker 1: many women now over ten that have alled sexual assault misconduct,
Speaker 1: and the Ravens hadn't addressed it publicly until Tuesday. Let's
Speaker 1: listen to Eric DaCosta, their general manager, at the podium.
Speaker 9: Well, I think a lot goes into that. First of all,
Speaker 9: good question, appreciate the question. The allegations are serious, concerning
Speaker 9: the amount of allegations are serious and concerning. I think
Speaker 9: we're fortunate that the league is doing an investigation. We'll
Speaker 9: wait as patiently as we can for as much information
Speaker 9: as we can. It will make a decisions based on.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the tone that DaCosta brought there and then
Speaker 1: later that John Harbaugh also brought, made me think this
Speaker 1: is just a matter of time. The allegations and investigating
Speaker 1: all that is much more important than like his status
Speaker 1: with the Ravens or what happens next with Justin Tucker.
Speaker 1: But John Harbaugh also said Kicker would have been a
Speaker 1: position we would have been looking at heavily. Anyways, Even
Speaker 1: putting this aside, so we are looking heavily at that position.
Speaker 1: And just from a football perspective, my takeaway was, I'd
Speaker 1: be stunned if Justin Tucker is ever you know, in
Speaker 1: a Ravens uniform again or an NFL uniform. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: the NFL is investigating that and and we'll see if
Speaker 1: he gets an official suspension. They also did speak much
Speaker 1: more about just like football matters, and so this is
Speaker 1: zero points fifteen through seventeen.
Speaker 2: By the way, that was fifteen.
Speaker 1: I was surprised how optimistic Tacosta was about getting a
Speaker 1: deal done with Ronnie Stanley. He said it in a
Speaker 1: way that I've been to enough of these that I
Speaker 1: don't think it was just GM's speak. It actually sounded like, oh,
Speaker 1: we've made some real progress, and I think.
Speaker 2: This is going to happen.
Speaker 3: Well. Ronnie Stanley has been very open about the fact
Speaker 3: that he wants to be a Baltimore raven for life,
Speaker 3: and he said that on numerous occasions this season. So
Speaker 3: I really do think that this is one of those
Speaker 3: where we can take what was said at the podium
Speaker 3: and actually clock it in a serious way. Because Ronnie
Speaker 3: Stanley's been asked about this a few times and has
Speaker 3: said each time he would like to be a Raven
Speaker 3: for life. I also think there's something to his tenure
Speaker 3: with that strength and conditioning and medical department. They really,
Speaker 3: I mean amazing to come back from everything, all the
Speaker 3: things that he came back from and have a healthy
Speaker 3: season and making that progress in the same building I
Speaker 3: think is probably important too.
Speaker 1: It really shows what a good organization can and do
Speaker 1: and get as an advantage. I think that lesser organizations
Speaker 1: cannot because they asked this man to take a pay
Speaker 1: cut last year. This is a guy who has been
Speaker 1: an all he did. He was forced essentially to take
Speaker 1: a pay cut and stay. Usually that guy like Josh Sweat,
Speaker 1: for instance, this year with the Eagles, He's not gonna
Speaker 1: stay with the Eagles. He's gonna take the biggest contract.
Speaker 1: Usually that guy goes the next year. And he's my
Speaker 1: number three free agent left tackle with the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 1: A very up and down career, but the highs are
Speaker 1: really high. A lot of injuries, but it really sounds
Speaker 1: like the number three guy on my list will not
Speaker 1: make it a free agency.
Speaker 3: We will see lest that Drew Rosenhaus complimented to Rosenhouse,
Speaker 3: super agent.
Speaker 1: The top one to one get a lot of pop.
Speaker 1: By the way, DaCosta thought a lot of good guards.
Speaker 1: He was very specific about what he thought the Ravens
Speaker 1: need in this draft. So I always think that's interesting
Speaker 1: when teams are out front with that. And he said,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be able to find some guards that can
Speaker 1: play for us in this draft, and it is known
Speaker 1: as a pretty deep guard class. And then he thought
Speaker 1: their biggest needs were actually edge and outside linebacker. Kid say,
Speaker 1: I disagree, but just interesting. If you think about that roster,
Speaker 1: they want someone next to Rokwan Smith. They really need
Speaker 1: difference making edge more depth there. So just I thought
Speaker 1: that was interesting. Points eighteen through twenty and then we're
Speaker 1: going to take a quick break. Joe Hortis, the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Chargers general manager, was asked about Khalil Mack. He said,
Speaker 1: and this was news to me that Khalil Mack is
Speaker 1: not retiring.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that was I was gonna say, I
Speaker 3: did not actually know that that was in consideration because
Speaker 3: I just assumed Khalil Mack was just going to keep
Speaker 3: chugging along.
Speaker 2: Joe knew that. Joe Hortiz and I think he has
Speaker 2: reached the point of his career.
Speaker 1: He being Khalil Mack that it was not a guarantee
Speaker 1: that he was going to play football against I could
Speaker 1: be wrong. Maybe someone's reported this before. I've never seen that,
Speaker 1: so I think Joe kind of broke that news. And
Speaker 1: he also said that they are negotiating a and he
Speaker 1: sounded hopeful about bringing Khalil Mack back. We'll see if
Speaker 1: that happens or not. I think that that's up in
Speaker 1: the air, but I think they'll they'll give it a
Speaker 1: good shot. He mentioned Zion Johnson, who's a first round
Speaker 1: pick from a few years ago who's frankly struggled at guard,
Speaker 1: will be tried at center. They need a new center
Speaker 1: this season. That might be like a salvation. Just give
Speaker 1: it a shot, and they're going to bring in another center.
Speaker 1: But that was interesting. And then I thought he was
Speaker 1: more optimistic on Mac than he necessarily was on Joey Bosa.
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa is under contract, he is not a free agent.
Speaker 1: I think if you look at his contract, it makes
Speaker 1: sense for Joey Bosa to be released. When asked about
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa, Cortiz said he wants to retire a charger
Speaker 1: I'd love for him to retire a Charger. I love
Speaker 1: Joey the teammate and competitor. Sneaky non answer there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a subtle way of publicly asking a player
Speaker 3: to take a pay cut really just to stay.
Speaker 2: He just took one though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know. And you know it's interesting the
Speaker 3: local reporters out there covering the Chargers, they do believe
Speaker 3: that he's going to be released.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was from Chris rim is his name with
Speaker 1: with ESPN dot com, so I should credit Obviously. Some
Speaker 1: of these are coming at the podium, which is free
Speaker 1: to all, and some like this one is at a
Speaker 1: little side session.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I have to admit I tried to go back into
Speaker 2: reporter mode. It's it's been a minute.
Speaker 4: I know we were lurking. We were lurking in the
Speaker 4: scrounds over here.
Speaker 1: So I went great. I went to Horties. He was
Speaker 1: one of the first guys up, but I was over
Speaker 1: at Shane for the first ten minutes. And you know
Speaker 1: you're checking on Twitter, man, did anyone ask about about
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to know that his answer to that question.
Speaker 1: Did anyone, Well, it's not on Twitter and then you
Speaker 1: ask someone because you don't want to double ask the question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a problem.
Speaker 1: And then by the time I'm like Joe, Joe, they're
Speaker 1: like times up and he's he was like off and
Speaker 1: I didn't get it.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm proud of you for trying. But here's a
Speaker 3: little behind the curtain beat writer etiquette. So the reason
Speaker 3: that wasn't asked at the podium is because the beat.
Speaker 3: Let me tell the last I know, you're the best
Speaker 3: like ally to beat rights on the planet, seriously, like
Speaker 3: it is for like years and years and years around
Speaker 3: the NFL and now NFL Daily like you. You are
Speaker 3: the person that recognizes the beat writers. I'm serious about that.
Speaker 3: But for the listener, the etiquette is when you are
Speaker 3: in these scrums. The really annoying thing is when somebody
Speaker 3: helicopter's in that's not on the beat. Because the beat
Speaker 3: understands that they will get a side session in which
Speaker 3: the newsworthy questions that they do not want aggregated and
Speaker 3: basically their work going to someone else's aggregation before they
Speaker 3: can write it up themselves. So that's why they don't
Speaker 3: ask it publicly in front of the entire podium.
Speaker 4: They wait for the side session. Now, I'm glad it
Speaker 4: was asked, but you are in danger of being that guy.
Speaker 4: So I'm glad.
Speaker 3: I'm glad he didn't work out.
Speaker 4: That's what where you meet me, beat writers.
Speaker 2: You make your judgment call.
Speaker 1: There are certain like unspoken rules that a lot of
Speaker 1: the people here don't even aren't aware.
Speaker 4: Of necessarily, but you are greg because you you can this.
Speaker 1: This would be a case where I don't care, like,
Speaker 1: don't be so precious, oh, beat writers, that you got
Speaker 1: the exact same information on the side session. It's gonna
Speaker 1: get aggregated anyways. This this is it's just a very
Speaker 1: basic offseason question.
Speaker 4: Feel personally attacked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it to me that one. I think there are
Speaker 1: there are subtleties. This is like you gotta are you
Speaker 1: confident Joey Boses back with the.
Speaker 3: Team or not?
Speaker 2: Like, calm down, Beat writers, everyone can hear that chance.
Speaker 1: I don't know every single situation. Sometimes some coaches don't
Speaker 1: do side sessions. They are and the question hadn't been asked.
Speaker 3: But they are. The beat writers are aware. We're not
Speaker 3: gonna go we're being pedantic now, but the beat writers
Speaker 3: are aware that that will happen.
Speaker 1: Sure, But then like, you know, Mike Rabel, he's not
Speaker 1: doing any side stuff and like just a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff doesn't get asked.
Speaker 2: Who do you really care about?
Speaker 1: The other beat writers or the listeners, the audience, the
Speaker 1: fans of the Chargers. Let's take a quick break. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be back. We're gonna have twenty seven more takeaways,
Speaker 1: and we're also gonna hear from a couple of general
Speaker 1: managers right after this.
Speaker 2: Back on NFL Daily.
Speaker 1: All Right, we've had twenty of the forty seven things
Speaker 1: that we learned here Tuesday at the combine.
Speaker 3: We're making good time.
Speaker 1: Twenty one Aaron Glenn, this was good football guy through
Speaker 1: and through.
Speaker 2: Number one. He was either sweaty or had spilled stuff
Speaker 2: on his shirt one or the other. Either way.
Speaker 3: Football guy, football guy, total football guy. I will say
Speaker 3: in the Google doc bullet point twenty one says Aaron Glenn,
Speaker 3: colon football guy m Dash was either sweaty or wet.
Speaker 2: Just he's a He's such a football guy.
Speaker 3: Without the context. When I opened the doc, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: what are we talking about here?
Speaker 2: He's just like we are here to win now.
Speaker 1: He talks and you definitely get Dan Campbell vibes, and
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn was a fully formed personality as a player
Speaker 1: and a coach before he ever worked for Dan Campbell.
Speaker 1: I just think some of their strengths happened to be similar,
Speaker 1: as like guys you would want to run through a
Speaker 1: wall for Let's listen to him talking about just something
Speaker 1: that made.
Speaker 2: Him a little mad.
Speaker 6: I'm confident that you can find a better quarterback than
Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5: We're confident. We're trying to win games, so that may be.
Speaker 5: It is what it is, so and that's it.
Speaker 10: And the thing is, I don't want to disrespect any
Speaker 10: other the players we have in my team, and they
Speaker 10: kind of pisses me off and some of the other
Speaker 10: players that that's what we all talk about. You have
Speaker 10: Quinn Williams, you have Quinson william you have avt now
Speaker 10: you have Joe Tibman. All those guys need to be
Speaker 10: respected as far as winning games.
Speaker 1: Also, I like the fire there from I love that
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn and a little context partly in reference to
Speaker 1: a tweets out by Quinn Williams where he had a
Speaker 1: thumbs down emoji for them getting rid of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: So when Aaron Glenn is saying that he's pissing off
Speaker 1: some people, he's not just talking about fansy, I guess
Speaker 1: he's talking about Quinn Williams.
Speaker 2: And I just love how straightforward he is.
Speaker 3: I know, what you see is what you get with him,
Speaker 3: and I love it. I was over listening to Dan
Speaker 3: Campbell late in the late in the afternoon at his
Speaker 3: podium and he was, of course the Jets beat was
Speaker 3: in full over there, and they were asking about Aaron
Speaker 3: Glenn and he was just talking about how Aaron Glenn
Speaker 3: was the he said the words the CEO of our
Speaker 3: defense and would be key and critical as a figure,
Speaker 3: and an insight in their strategy meetings and their situational meetings,
Speaker 3: those types of things. I think that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: So a lot of what the combine is press conference
Speaker 1: wise is confirming things or more evidence that something you
Speaker 1: think is going to happen is probably going to happen.
Speaker 1: That was the case with questiadofa Mensa speaking on Tuesday
Speaker 1: saying about Sam Donald, we have options, and so you
Speaker 1: know the options would be tag and trade, just let
Speaker 1: him walk with a compensatory pick, long term deal.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be one of the first two.
Speaker 1: But he also said, we're so proud of what Sam
Speaker 1: did for us, and it does feel like he's talking
Speaker 1: in the past tense, and he said, we don't want
Speaker 1: to overweight what he did the fifteen game first fifteen
Speaker 1: games of the season and underweight last two games of
Speaker 1: the season, or vice versa, like it is a really
Speaker 1: tricky mental exercise to assign the proper weight to everything
Speaker 1: that happens. But what he finished with is what he
Speaker 1: left me with, which is like, we also don't want
Speaker 1: to overlook those two games.
Speaker 2: Yes, why they happened.
Speaker 3: I thought that was an I thought that was an
Speaker 3: extraordinariarrowly honest answer. Really it was because those two games
Speaker 3: were the floor with Sam Donald that the Vikings themselves
Speaker 3: had not scene, and so they have data on it now.
Speaker 3: And I will say, you know, that continued to be
Speaker 3: the question throughout the year over there is what is
Speaker 3: this guy's floor. We're seeing a ceiling at this point,
Speaker 3: we're seeing what we think felt he was capable of
Speaker 3: and the potential that he's reaching, So they didn't quite
Speaker 3: know the floor. Whenever you're making a decision about the quarterback,
Speaker 3: you have to ascertain how high or how low that
Speaker 3: floor is.
Speaker 2: This week is the week.
Speaker 1: I believe they'll determine if they have a trade market
Speaker 1: strong enough to tag and trade him, and we'll find out.
Speaker 1: March fourth is the day that they have to tag
Speaker 1: him by or else he will be a free agent.
Speaker 2: Number six on my list.
Speaker 1: Maybe too high, but quarterbacks get a huge position bump up,
Speaker 1: and he's the top one out there for now.
Speaker 4: The list endorsed by Drew Rosenhaus Superior.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, now, I just feel like you're being condescending.
Speaker 3: I'm really happy for you.
Speaker 1: Thank you a great it's a great little surprise twenty
Speaker 1: three and twenty fours from Demiico Ryans. I liked how
Speaker 1: much he wanted to improve so many things on his roster.
Speaker 1: He's some guys will just be like, we want to
Speaker 1: improve everything. He's like the offensive line is a main
Speaker 1: point of VENTA.
Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, we need we need help.
Speaker 1: He's like, wide receiver is a big area of emphasis.
Speaker 1: We need wide receivers. They said they have ongoing talks
Speaker 1: with Stefan Diggs. They liked having him in the building.
Speaker 1: He's coming off an injury. I think that uh, marriage
Speaker 1: makes sense for both sides to continue. But he also
Speaker 1: admitted he doesn't know when or if I think is
Speaker 1: unsaid Tank Dell is going to be back this season,
Speaker 1: and so you know you can't count on those two guys.
Speaker 1: So he said that's a big main area emphasis. But
Speaker 1: then he kept going and he was like, you know,
Speaker 1: the more I looked at it, actually we need more
Speaker 1: defensive linemen and so the defensive tackle is another main
Speaker 1: area of emphasis or him. So those are your Texans needs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean it's that's again that was a
Speaker 3: point of honesty during lying season. I would agree, And
Speaker 3: I think anytime you have a dynamic defensive coach like
Speaker 3: Demiko Ryans, You're obviously always gonna look, Okay, where can
Speaker 3: we like improve and where can we just add little
Speaker 3: little pieces in different places all along the roster, even
Speaker 3: if the offensive needs are the most glaring. And I
Speaker 3: honestly I like this team now as problem solvers, especially
Speaker 3: with the energy they have in the building with Demiko,
Speaker 3: with Nick Kyley, the new offensive point here that they
Speaker 3: brought out. I was talking with someone with the Texans
Speaker 3: to the side of when Demiko was on the NFL
Speaker 3: Network set and they were talking about how just like
Speaker 3: they believe that they have answers to problems, you know,
Speaker 3: like it's something that and he said it in a
Speaker 3: striking way where it's like, this is good momentum, this
Speaker 3: is new for us. This is great to have to
Speaker 3: feel like you actually can go out and problem solve
Speaker 3: in a way that is functional.
Speaker 1: I think Debigo Ryans is an incredible defensive problem solver.
Speaker 1: I will give Nick Cassario his flowers. I like how
Speaker 1: they've yeah built this team up from the front office.
Speaker 1: The offensive planning was kind of where it was lacking,
Speaker 1: and so that's the hope with Nick Kyley. Certainly twenty
Speaker 1: five through twenty seven.
Speaker 4: We got a new contract one of our favorite players
Speaker 4: to watch this year.
Speaker 1: Shout out Khalil Shakir four year extension quote unquote up
Speaker 1: to so who knows what that means sixty million, so
Speaker 1: that that would be max value. The key number is
Speaker 1: thirty two million dollars guaranteed. You would assume that's mostly,
Speaker 1: if not all, in the first two years of the contract,
Speaker 1: so that if I had to guess, it'll be somewhere
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood of like two for thirty two or
Speaker 1: some of that guarantees into the thirty year, but it's
Speaker 1: roughly fifteen sixteen million dollars probably in the first two
Speaker 1: years of his contract, which is the rare case. And
Speaker 1: this is no slight to Shakira or his agent. There
Speaker 1: are reasons that this happened, but it's a it's a deal.
Speaker 1: The second it's signed, it's like, that's a good value,
Speaker 1: you know, like that's a good deal of business for
Speaker 1: both sides. And he's a late round pick who's still
Speaker 1: a year away from free agency, so of course you
Speaker 1: take thirty million dollars guarantees, that's who I would be.
Speaker 3: Doing it early is ultimately like, like you said that,
Speaker 3: doing it early like that is ultimately going to be good.
Speaker 3: He and I want to be clear on this. He
Speaker 3: is a Volume one and they obviously went in the
Speaker 3: draft and looked around for another player who could be
Speaker 3: dynamic for them Kean Coleman, and I think they're gonna
Speaker 3: do it again. I think they're gonna keep drafting and
Speaker 3: sort of overhauling, especially while they have a vault, like
Speaker 3: specifically a Volume one under contract.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because the contract's not for a one.
Speaker 1: So that's what I think they love so that he's
Speaker 1: almost got the contract of a one. They have a
Speaker 1: first round pick.
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I think they add to that position.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be Amari Cooper was interesting,
Speaker 1: by the way, this is not one of the points.
Speaker 1: I'm just adding one for free because we just love
Speaker 1: forty eight.
Speaker 2: We just love our listeners.
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott was the only coach to speak on Monday Weird,
Speaker 1: and he was like, yeah, Kean Coleman, it was pretty
Speaker 1: up and down. It was he was, he said, essentially
Speaker 1: after his injury. It was a little rough more or less.
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing a couple more bills points quickly. Brandon Bean,
Speaker 1: he said, we'll see on Razila Douglas who's a free agent.
Speaker 1: That's code for he gone. And he was asked about
Speaker 1: James Cook, a story I didn't make yet on the show,
Speaker 1: James Cook being out front saying he wants specifically fifteen
Speaker 1: million dollars a year.
Speaker 2: I believe I'm worth that money. I want that money now.
Speaker 1: And he also called James Cook a beautiful man, and
Speaker 1: like I think he would have rathered maybe James kept.
Speaker 1: I think he meant like he's beautiful that he just
Speaker 1: speaks his mind. But he Yeah, he's an attractive guy too.
Speaker 3: I think it's there's at least one wholesome moment per
Speaker 3: press conference between the two of them, whether it's Sean
Speaker 3: or Brandon Bean. Brandon Bean loves the circuit. He's like
Speaker 3: on all the he does. So I think that's why
Speaker 3: Sean went early. He's like, yeah, the people are here
Speaker 3: for Brandon Bean, so let's let's so.
Speaker 1: I'm being a little rude when I said to start
Speaker 1: the show, all the gms are starting to look like
Speaker 1: each other, because just to paint the picture, we're at
Speaker 1: a table, we're at a set. I don't one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty feet away. One hundred feet away. I'm not
Speaker 1: good at approximated fee. And so you see the podiums,
Speaker 1: and they all they've all got like the pullover.
Speaker 4: The quarters up convention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they all there's like a group of them.
Speaker 1: Goody was is on my floor in my hotel, and
Speaker 1: so I've seen him in the elevator and there's like
Speaker 1: a mix of like Goody Brandon Bean. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like maybe you throw Veach in there. You can kind
Speaker 1: of tell who what Beach looks like. Borganzi, the New
Speaker 1: Titans guy where they all kind of just look like,
Speaker 1: like create a GM on.
Speaker 3: Madden Sim's characters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just sort of look like GM, and I
Speaker 1: just like I look like, you know, average small podcaster
Speaker 1: like they.
Speaker 3: I thought you and James Gladstone really hit it off
Speaker 3: in terms of like similar appearances.
Speaker 2: Good, good tease. We both like our shackets. He's on
Speaker 2: your shackets and your hair sweel he's on later. That's true.
Speaker 2: We gotta get we got to get there. Okay.
Speaker 1: Twenty eight through thirties, the Eagles section of the show,
Speaker 1: Howie Roseman, I just like that. He said I can't
Speaker 1: stop thinking about offensive lineman and the lineman and that
Speaker 1: he would consider it unhealthy, so he's got to keep
Speaker 1: adding there. He wouldn't get an answer on Miles Garrett.
Speaker 1: And I bring that up because there was an ESPN
Speaker 1: report that, like league sources think that the Eagles might
Speaker 1: be pushing in on Miles Garrett.
Speaker 4: I would love that fit and I don't care getting better.
Speaker 2: I love it that goes along with.
Speaker 1: That he can't stop thinking about offensive lineman and defensive lineman.
Speaker 11: You know, it is a.
Speaker 3: Very well executed, performative football show that he puts on
Speaker 3: every off season, where every little tidbit and every little
Speaker 3: appearance and every everything is I think a mathematical equation
Speaker 3: towards what this team is going to be and its identity,
Speaker 3: And honestly, I kind of love.
Speaker 1: That that would be amazing if they went big. He
Speaker 1: spoke about where they were in their process. Not to
Speaker 1: pat myself on the back again, but we talked on
Speaker 1: the NFC East preview that they're at an interesting place
Speaker 1: in their cycle as a team. And I was saying
Speaker 1: this that they have a lot of their young twenty eight,
Speaker 1: twenty six, twenty seven year olds sign long term, and
Speaker 1: what he was kind of saying was like, this is
Speaker 1: kind of an off season to push for us because
Speaker 1: we actually don't have a lot. We have a lot
Speaker 1: of young guys under contract. We can be a little
Speaker 1: riskier this offseason. So I'm gonna move the points around
Speaker 1: and point forty two is actually coming up here. It's
Speaker 1: a point thirty. It's making a big move because the
Speaker 1: Andrew Berry news he literally moved it in the document.
Speaker 2: Yeah I did.
Speaker 4: That is how committed to the show. Greg Rosenthal is.
Speaker 1: Okay, Andrew Barry is the Browns general manager. He talked
Speaker 1: about Miles Garrett. We should talk about these two things together. Yes,
Speaker 1: of course, very strong, saying it's irrelevant how many people
Speaker 1: have called because we aren't interested in trading him, and
Speaker 1: when as strong as possible that they are not interested.
Speaker 2: At first, I wasn't buying from the Browns. Are you
Speaker 2: buying now?
Speaker 3: I could go either way, honestly, I could be tucked
Speaker 3: into either way, because I do believe that they understand
Speaker 3: that trading a player of that caliper is it could
Speaker 3: backfire on you.
Speaker 2: He said he didn't see how it would help them,
Speaker 2: you know fair Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Mean if you got a crapload of compensation, I could
Speaker 3: see how it would help you. But that's the thing
Speaker 3: is some of this is also posturing driving the price
Speaker 3: up publicly. Now. I don't actually think they're getting into
Speaker 3: this looking too specifically trade him like that, it's already
Speaker 3: a foregone conclusion. I do think that it's really helpful
Speaker 3: to drive the price up this way, and that they
Speaker 3: could trade him if they had the right price.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think that's well said, thanks Greg. They
Speaker 1: by saying this, it's sort of making the point. You're
Speaker 1: right that they're not looking to trade him, and it's
Speaker 1: gonna take that. They're ready to keep him. They're probably
Speaker 1: expecting to keep him unless they get a true mother load.
Speaker 1: And we'll see. We'll see if they get a true motherload.
Speaker 1: I would love to see it. I still think it
Speaker 1: could happen. I guess I'm not totally buying it.
Speaker 2: I think it.
Speaker 1: I think he's expecting the motherload offer to come. Now
Speaker 1: it's point thirty one. You got to back it all up.
Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni of the Eagles had some interesting comments we
Speaker 1: mentioned on Monday Show with Tom how at least one
Speaker 1: team packers.
Speaker 2: You know, they're trying to get rid of the touch push.
Speaker 2: Nick isn't happy about it. Let's listen.
Speaker 6: You know, I almost feel a little insulted because we
Speaker 6: work so hard at that play, the fact that it's
Speaker 6: an automatic thing, that like, we work really really hard,
Speaker 6: and our guys are talented at this play, and so
Speaker 6: it's a little insulting to say it's just just you know,
Speaker 6: we're good at it, so it's automatic. We work really
Speaker 6: hard at it. There wasn't a lot of injuries there.
Speaker 6: I think that's I think it's a little made up,
Speaker 6: to be honest. Now, the numbers will will tell the truth.
Speaker 6: But I don't think there was many injuries with it
Speaker 6: this year. I can't remember one injury we had on
Speaker 6: that play, and we bran it more than everybody else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the point that he made about there's
Speaker 1: actually no data for extra injuries on this great point
Speaker 1: because it's true.
Speaker 3: I know that. I know he came with his note cards,
Speaker 3: I'm sure, and his little talk, his little rebuttal points too,
Speaker 3: because that's a very good point.
Speaker 1: There's it seems like you're putting your your offensive linemen
Speaker 1: and the defensive line two at a bigger risk. But
Speaker 1: there's so few plays, there's so little data, and there
Speaker 1: there isn't proof of the I don't think that's spush
Speaker 1: just staying that.
Speaker 2: I've I've come along.
Speaker 4: To like there's we're going to do this every off season,
Speaker 4: and it's something else comes.
Speaker 2: From I promise not to actually I promise not.
Speaker 4: I'm saying we the collective zeitgeist.
Speaker 1: If it doesn't happen this season, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: talk about it again. It's not going anywhere. The Eagles
Speaker 1: are awesome. Our next point and this is it's been
Speaker 1: a long day and I'm like what does that even mean.
Speaker 1: It's Brad Holmes of the Lions, and this is straight
Speaker 1: from our friend Kevin Patra who is out banging out
Speaker 1: great articles check them out on NFL dot com.
Speaker 3: From where we're sitting right now, he's been hard at
Speaker 3: work on this copy for like the last couple hours.
Speaker 2: He mentioned.
Speaker 1: Brad Holmes of his hometown Lions, admitted there's probably not
Speaker 1: room with the way their build is and their roster
Speaker 1: for another big pass rusher splash. I'm surprised, but that
Speaker 1: would seem to indicate they would not be in the
Speaker 1: Garrett business for ye.
Speaker 3: Yes. A similarly related tidbit. The videos of Aiden Hutchinson
Speaker 3: running that circulated across social media. You know, as he
Speaker 3: continues to make his return or make his way toward returning,
Speaker 3: obviously you're going to see where he's at and I
Speaker 3: think build around him.
Speaker 2: That just put it together for me.
Speaker 1: He's up for another contract, not that it would be
Speaker 1: this offseason, but they know they're going to pay ad
Speaker 1: In Hutchinson top tier money. So can you bring a
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett aboard when you know Hutchinson's getting that deal
Speaker 1: either this August or next February or whenever it's going
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 2: That's a great point, Jordan.
Speaker 3: This must be how you felt when Drew Rosenhaus come,
Speaker 3: a superagent, approached you on the street to complement your
Speaker 3: top one hundred.
Speaker 1: Top one o one one free agent and try to
Speaker 1: take away that one for me. Pff, I see what
Speaker 1: you're doing going one oh one now too.
Speaker 2: It's up with that.
Speaker 1: Ryan Poles was one of the gentlemen that we got
Speaker 1: to speak with today, and we're going to run his interview.
Speaker 1: Like I said, later in the week, they're all not
Speaker 1: going to be today. But I think he had a
Speaker 1: little newsy nugget, which is I positioned that they haven't
Speaker 1: really spent money in free agency on the offensive line.
Speaker 1: They obviously have needs there, and he indicated that that's
Speaker 1: an opportunity they're looking to spend on the interior line specifically,
Speaker 1: so that that's something you could expect them to do now.
Speaker 3: I thought that, plus his re emphasis, which I know
Speaker 3: it's been a couple of years that he has said
Speaker 3: things like this, but the re emphasis and sort of
Speaker 3: emphatic way he talked about needing to run the book
Speaker 3: and needing to shore up and better basically identify better
Speaker 3: talent and figure out what combination works the best, you know,
Speaker 3: figure out what center works the best. With Caleb Williams,
Speaker 3: he went over a couple of possibilities of traits in
Speaker 3: that regard, So yeah, I thought that was a little
Speaker 3: bit newsy, little tidbit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 1: And he also said the left tackle position will be
Speaker 1: open for competition, so Braxton Jones is not locked in there,
Speaker 1: which really says like four of their spots are pretty
Speaker 1: wide open, which it's tough. He talked about the juice
Speaker 1: that Ben Johnson has points thirty four through thirty five.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of dip on that chip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm surprised Ben Johnson sneaky amount of swag,
Speaker 1: sneak amount of like he can lead a room, leadership presence,
Speaker 1: and sneaky tall, all of that with Ben Johnson.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you had quite a day of discovery.
Speaker 2: I think I thought he profiles as like a shorter guy,
Speaker 2: but he's not. And he also is surprisingly yes, swaggy.
Speaker 1: And Ryan Poles said the same thing that like, don't
Speaker 1: he doesn't know why people think that of Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2: He absolutely is kind of careful.
Speaker 3: Because they think of him as like the Boston college nerd. Like,
Speaker 3: that's really what But that's the thing. He has a presence.
Speaker 3: It's points thirty four and thirty five.
Speaker 1: We're great examples. Look, you can be nerdy and still
Speaker 1: have all sorts of confidence.
Speaker 4: Nerd rage is a powerful thing.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 1: I also like, he said, I didn't hire my friends.
Speaker 1: I purposefully went outside my circle to hire coaches, including
Speaker 1: Declan Doyle, his offensive coordinator, who I think it was
Speaker 1: Sean Payton who said he's like a young Ben Johnson,
Speaker 1: and Ben Johnson was like, I think that's a good thing.
Speaker 2: So he's he didn't hire friends, but he did try
Speaker 2: to hire his own clones. Okay, weird.
Speaker 3: Can we take a minute to recognize the amount of
Speaker 3: subtle shots Ben Johnson has taken at other people in
Speaker 3: the league, like and not so subtle. We talked about
Speaker 3: this with Polls. Well, you'll hear it later in the week,
Speaker 3: like the Matt Lafleur shot that he took. It is
Speaker 3: true opening press conference. The fact that he said he
Speaker 3: didn't get there get to where he is because he
Speaker 3: had a famous last name or a family.
Speaker 4: Member in the business. And now he's saying this, I
Speaker 4: kind of love it.
Speaker 1: This dude has the juice and he's just having fun.
Speaker 1: Here's another word for taking shots, being honest.
Speaker 2: The NFL.
Speaker 1: This is how they all talk. Actually, I shouldn't say
Speaker 1: they're all like. I don't think Todd Bowles necessarily like.
Speaker 1: There are just guys that operate from a position of
Speaker 1: kindness and nicest and any any thoughts that they have
Speaker 1: there they're keeping it to themselves more than that. But
Speaker 1: four out of five of them are talking mad, you know,
Speaker 1: trash to each other and amongst themselves about each other.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, it is is like a little bit
Speaker 2: of honesty.
Speaker 3: Yes, I like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Thirty six through thirty eight the Titans first press conference for.
Speaker 4: Cope season for the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 1: Everybody for Mike Organzi. I keep wanting to call him
Speaker 1: Nate Bargazzi.
Speaker 3: Who you did on accident today?
Speaker 1: By the way, I clocked it, and uh, he said
Speaker 1: they've received calls on the number one pick.
Speaker 2: That's zero point thirty six.
Speaker 1: By the way, if you're keeping truck, he wants as
Speaker 1: many one hundred top one hundred picks as possible, So
Speaker 1: me too.
Speaker 2: That was that was interesting. I'm kind of combining those two.
Speaker 1: He was asked the most important trait from a quarterback,
Speaker 1: I think by the same guy who's just like writing
Speaker 1: an article and had a much better answer than Joe
Speaker 1: Shane processing.
Speaker 4: I like, ooh, good buzzword. Good buzzword.
Speaker 2: I think that's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I would say pocket, movement or processing.
Speaker 2: If I had to choose like one thing.
Speaker 4: I'd love a combination of both.
Speaker 2: Yes, of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Say my question is like.
Speaker 4: As as we're talking about wantson knees.
Speaker 1: Those those would be my two. I mean it's great
Speaker 1: to be like six' five and.
Speaker 3: Fast oh do you know from, EXPERIENCE i just.
Speaker 2: Think that really.
Speaker 1: Matters like physical traits are also. Important you, know he's
Speaker 1: got a lot of physical Traits Will. Levis he says
Speaker 1: they don't want to Trade Will.
Speaker 2: Levis. Okay he also said they want to add through
Speaker 2: the draft and have a veteran. There so.
Speaker 1: That's Will levis plus those other two. GUYS i, think you,
Speaker 1: know if there's no market probably For Will, levis we'll.
Speaker 1: See he also was asked about like competing for the
Speaker 1: division and, said, well we'll manage. EXPECTATIONS i kind of
Speaker 1: like A gm that's actually not even talking up your Chances.
Speaker 3: I'm fine with that answer BECAUSE i think everybody on
Speaker 3: the planet can see what a rebuild this is going
Speaker 3: to continue to.
Speaker 1: Be and sometimes you get a pleasant surprise like seven
Speaker 1: win season out of the, gate and then you then
Speaker 1: it's a pleasant surprise if you.
Speaker 3: Set the bar, Low, yes it's going to be that
Speaker 3: much better when you win like four games when you expected.
Speaker 1: To you, know it's such an obvious cliche that you first,
Speaker 1: hear at LEAST i did maybe in your young twenties
Speaker 1: under sell and over. Deliver but as cliches, go it's
Speaker 1: one of the most important AND i think one of the.
Speaker 1: Best JUST i think if you live your life under
Speaker 1: selling and over, delivering everyone like set expectations very.
Speaker 4: Low was this in like dating or how when did you?
Speaker 2: Man, NO i think more ABOUT i don't know when it.
Speaker 2: Came it came of in some career.
Speaker 1: Setting, okay got it all, Right i'm talking job, specifically
Speaker 1: right in, general like not like in a job, interview
Speaker 1: you don't want to undersell yourself too, much.
Speaker 2: BUT i think in production in, general like sneak up
Speaker 2: on them a little.
Speaker 3: Bit, YEAH i think that's exactly what he's trying to
Speaker 3: do to do with, this, yeah you, know and they're, like,
Speaker 3: oh how do you do? That and you, know mid
Speaker 3: season we're, like oh my, god how fun are The?
Speaker 4: Titans? Now we did not see this.
Speaker 1: Coming you know who kind of snuck up on The
Speaker 1: Cognizanti Jason light of The Tampa Bay. BUCCANEERS i used
Speaker 1: to do the top GM's. RANKINGS i GUESS i don't
Speaker 1: do them anymore because it's been a couple of.
Speaker 3: Years well because they're not fully supported and endorsed By
Speaker 3: Drew Rosenhaus Comma.
Speaker 1: Superagent oh, man THE. Gms do you imagine they hate?
Speaker 1: These it was the only time anyone ever cared about.
Speaker 1: Anything just guys who would be ranked too low would
Speaker 1: be very. Upset but If i'm doing it again this,
Speaker 1: year maybe we'll bring it. Back this as like an.
Speaker 1: Episode Jason light's got to be top five and we
Speaker 1: talked to. Him you'll hear that conversation later in the.
Speaker 1: Week the most newsworthy THING i think he said to,
Speaker 1: us and he said similar versions of it to other media,
Speaker 1: Today but the way he said it to US i liked,
Speaker 1: best which was he, Said Chris godwin in the end
Speaker 1: is going to be on The Mount. Rushmore, yes Of
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. Buccaneers that does not sound like a guy
Speaker 1: he is ready to let leave the.
Speaker 3: Building one of the things THAT i like about doing
Speaker 3: these in person sessions, too is you can see the
Speaker 3: way someone's face changes when they talk about. People for,
Speaker 3: example you're going to hear it in a little bit
Speaker 3: on this, EPISODE i throughout the Name Matthew stafford To
Speaker 3: john Spy tech and he kept his face extremely. Frozen
Speaker 3: Radio you're not giving anything? Away, Yeah and then but
Speaker 3: in this, Case Jason light was just he. MELTED i mean,
Speaker 3: really and how could you. Not Chris godwin's. Amazing he
Speaker 3: totally melted talking about. Him, obviously they have some things
Speaker 3: he mentioned this, Too they have some things to figure
Speaker 3: out in terms of like how back fully can he,
Speaker 3: be and extending that deadline really helps them get a
Speaker 3: little bit better data set on where he's actually at right,
Speaker 3: now as well as gives them some time to figure
Speaker 3: out what the contract would look.
Speaker 1: Like unfortunately for, them it also Gives Chris godwin's agent
Speaker 1: a little time to set the. Market and that Is
Speaker 1: i'm not Saying i'm like Buzz central, here but that
Speaker 1: is one item of buzz THAT i Think Chris, godwin
Speaker 1: despite the, injury has a real, market not a.
Speaker 2: Surprise he's the best wide receiver on the.
Speaker 1: Market it's either him or A Marii, cooper AND i
Speaker 1: think there are a lot of people that view him
Speaker 1: as a great combination of he's gonna change our locker room,
Speaker 1: potentially and as he gets healthier on a two or
Speaker 1: three year, contract he's gonna get better and be a
Speaker 1: really plus. Player SO i think he's gonna get a good,
Speaker 1: Contract but ULTIMATELY i think it's going to be from
Speaker 1: The bucks points forty and forty. One mike McDaniel revealed
Speaker 1: That Tyreek hill had surgery to repair ligament damage in his.
Speaker 1: Wrist there was not a break, there there was ligament,
Speaker 1: damage but that's. Noteworthy so he'll be recovering from. That
Speaker 1: we'll see if he's a potential trade target for teams this.
Speaker 1: Offseason no real clue on. That he also said That
Speaker 1: dolphins are operating as if they won't Have Toron, armstead
Speaker 1: indicating that he's more likely to retire than. Not that
Speaker 1: they are kind of assuming that unless they are told.
Speaker 1: Otherwise so they have a, man they have a lot
Speaker 1: of work to. Do The dolphins are sneaky going to
Speaker 1: be main characters this offseason BECAUSE i just think they
Speaker 1: have so many needs and so many players going, elsewhere
Speaker 1: and just like a lot's going on with The dolphins right.
Speaker 3: NOW i like that they kept some continuity on their.
Speaker 3: Staff you, Know Anthony weaver who was ON Nfl daily
Speaker 3: with us back in the regular. Season you, know he
Speaker 3: had some. Interviews BUT i like that they are actually
Speaker 3: able to keep their building. Intact. NOW i know that
Speaker 3: there's some heat locally On Chris greer and how are
Speaker 3: you building this? Roster there's some heat locally On mike McDaniel,
Speaker 3: frankly and SO i think and he just got the,
Speaker 3: extension but, still AND i think that this is a big,
Speaker 3: season of pivotal season about what do you guys really
Speaker 3: want to be made? Of what is your? Identity besides
Speaker 3: it was? Speed what is it going to be when
Speaker 3: the speed gets?
Speaker 2: Old they seem committed To Chris.
Speaker 1: GREER i talked With Tom, pelisarah how you, know when
Speaker 1: you guys are out there, reporting you've got to be
Speaker 1: very careful with how you say. THINGS i feel like
Speaker 1: as long as you preface it with, like here's some
Speaker 1: irresponsible speculation out of nowhere like if ever there was
Speaker 1: going to be a post draft, surprise IF i had
Speaker 1: to make one team to do it in THE nfl this,
Speaker 1: season and we've seen it over the years every once
Speaker 1: in a while with front offices that flip post. Draft
Speaker 1: it just hit me as you were, talking it's unlikely to.
Speaker 1: HAPPEN i haven't heard, anything but Like Chris, greer kind
Speaker 1: of fits the mold of guys that have suddenly lost
Speaker 1: their jobs after the draft. Before that's just me, spitballing
Speaker 1: and in the like two percent chance That i'm, RIGHT
Speaker 1: i will definitely honk about.
Speaker 4: It, yeah we have to cut and file this entire
Speaker 4: clip just in. Case we'll put it in The greg.
Speaker 2: File number forty three on the.
Speaker 1: List Andrew, barry who we talked about earlier in terms
Speaker 1: Of Miles, garrett also talked About Travis, hunter the Dynamic
Speaker 1: colorado prospect who could play cornerback or wide receiver at
Speaker 1: the next. Level interesting to me that a team right
Speaker 1: at the top of the draft The browns say they
Speaker 1: are Viewing Travis hunter as a wide receiver. First, Now
Speaker 1: borganzi said he thinks he could do. Both barry wasn't
Speaker 1: saying he couldn't do, both but he said spotting him yeah,
Speaker 1: first which is counter to conventional wisdom and at least
Speaker 1: how much of the media believes teams will View Travis
Speaker 1: hunter very it's.
Speaker 2: Fat, listen first time it's ever. Happened AND i.
Speaker 3: Wonder if there's a little smoke, there BECAUSE i would
Speaker 3: think that you would draft a number one corner a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 2: Higher AND i don't.
Speaker 4: KNOW i just think it's.
Speaker 3: INTERESTING i wonder if he's trying to maybe drop him
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 2: Down, well he's had, two he could always trade.
Speaker 4: Down, CERTAINLY i did trying to get him to.
Speaker 2: Do now here's some dot.
Speaker 1: Connecting Daniel jeremiah is the only one in the media
Speaker 1: who is evaluating the players and saying the exact same
Speaker 1: thing That barry.
Speaker 2: Said what Does Daniel jeremiah?
Speaker 3: Know it's not even that You're, wendymia that's beside the.
Speaker 1: Point but If Daniel jeremiah sees a player a certain,
Speaker 1: way doesn't mean all THE nfl teams are even a majority,
Speaker 1: are but it means that some, are and The browns
Speaker 1: are apparently one of. Them and the argument that he
Speaker 1: made makes a lot of sense to. ME a actually
Speaker 1: wide receivers do make more, money so from A Travis
Speaker 1: hunter perspective and from AN nfl front office, perspective they
Speaker 1: value true one. Receivers and the thing that really stuck
Speaker 1: with me on DJ's evaluation is there's just not a
Speaker 1: lot of cornerbacks that are like elite players that are
Speaker 1: under one hundred and eighty, pounds whereas wide receivers there's a.
Speaker 2: Lot there's.
Speaker 1: Plenty Denzel ward would be an, exception But Denzel ward's
Speaker 1: a guy who hasn't been healthy at. All and can
Speaker 1: a guy Like Travis hunter hold up having to make
Speaker 1: those tackles on the edge and. Stuff it's a fascinating
Speaker 1: question we'll talk about as the draft gets.
Speaker 2: Closer let's do some.
Speaker 1: News rap sheet broke the news that there's already been
Speaker 1: some trade talks between The commanders with other teams About Jonathan,
Speaker 1: allen their Former All Pro Pro bowl defensive. Tackle shout
Speaker 1: out to the twenty three candidate's trade candidates. Show we
Speaker 1: Threw Jonathan allen out there just as like a, guest
Speaker 1: and that one sounds like it could.
Speaker 3: Happen, yeah that was actually some early news today, too
Speaker 3: which is kind of interesting that it hit the circuit
Speaker 3: before everyone else showed.
Speaker 4: Up so Rap sheets always hustle in.
Speaker 1: That that's, like, well he Arrived monday afternoon. EVENING i
Speaker 1: BELIEVE i know his. Schedule and so you think you
Speaker 1: think Rap sheets staying in the hotel like, me AFTER
Speaker 1: i saw That nuggets, games like, NO i went. Home
Speaker 1: it's a great it's a great feeling to be, like,
Speaker 1: WAIT i don't have to stay.
Speaker 2: Out super late in like some cigar filled room till
Speaker 2: like two in the. MORNING i could just go home
Speaker 2: IF i.
Speaker 3: Want this is.
Speaker 2: GREAT i don't know why it took me so long
Speaker 2: to realize.
Speaker 3: This that's.
Speaker 1: Maturity and, yeah So i'm sure Rap sheet was already
Speaker 1: starting and a lot of times during this, week and
Speaker 1: we'll be updating the news all. Week, yeah the conversations
Speaker 1: that happen in these bars at, night they turn into
Speaker 1: tweets by our.
Speaker 3: Insiders and of course the commander is also kind of
Speaker 3: a favorite in the discussion for any possible Bul Miles
Speaker 3: Garrett trade kind of one of the favorites as.
Speaker 2: Well Brian, gutakanz WHO i, mentioned looks like a few other.
Speaker 4: And is your hotel, neighbor, Right i'm.
Speaker 2: Not trying to blow up a, spot BUT i guess
Speaker 2: no one knows where it, is will he.
Speaker 1: Said he said ON JayR alexander will see we'll see
Speaker 1: his combine code for he. Gone SO i don't think
Speaker 1: they're going to Bring alexander. Back i'll have to think
Speaker 1: about where to put him on the one oh one
Speaker 1: if they do cut him and don't find a trade for,
Speaker 1: him which is WHAT i think will. Happen and he
Speaker 1: was one of many of the general managers to say
Speaker 1: we need to be able to rush with.
Speaker 3: Four how we do that remains to be. Seen again,
Speaker 3: subtle not so. Subtle, yeah reference to some of the
Speaker 3: players available in free agency and some of these, dynamic
Speaker 3: especially interior guys in the draft, class they're fiddling over
Speaker 3: their combination number forty.
Speaker 1: SIX i was, like we got to Get monty acid
Speaker 1: forour into the. Show it's the off, Season, monty and
Speaker 1: it's not really catching on. Yet i'm pushing this. One
Speaker 1: it's a Big It's monty comes to center. STAGE i
Speaker 1: feel like The cardinals are just ignored and he's gonna
Speaker 1: need to have more juicy stuff to talk about at
Speaker 1: the podium to really.
Speaker 2: Get people.
Speaker 1: Excited he did say he wanted to add to the
Speaker 1: quarterback room that that was a. PRIORITY i think he
Speaker 1: means the backup, position but just. UPGRADE i think the
Speaker 1: backup position is going to be important to.
Speaker 3: Him you're gonna get some really good backups in like the, fourth, fifth,
Speaker 3: sixth seventh rounds of this.
Speaker 1: Class really and it's a really deep backup quarterback free agency.
Speaker 4: Class bridge guys.
Speaker 1: Abound it's really weird how cheap guys Like jamis And Mason.
Speaker 1: Rudolph to, me they have a lot of, value and
Speaker 1: yet there's there's actually so many of them that they
Speaker 1: don't have that much.
Speaker 2: VALUE i.
Speaker 1: Guess he also, Said Joana, williams this is just little,
Speaker 1: housekeeping BUT i like tracking all. This If Joanah, williams
Speaker 1: Former bengals tackle who was paid a lot of money
Speaker 1: by The cardinals to help them at the tackle position
Speaker 1: but had a major, injury there was some question whether
Speaker 1: they might cut. Him he made it, Clear Joana, williams
Speaker 1: we'll be. Back so just little. Housekeeping he will remain
Speaker 1: on The. Cardinals and we wrap up our forty seven.
Speaker 1: Points we made up the number to start the, show
Speaker 1: and then we backfilled forty. Seven we got to leave
Speaker 1: it to our guy D Orlando ledbetter and one of
Speaker 1: our favorite traditions of the.
Speaker 2: Year, explain explain it and throw it to. D, yeah so.
Speaker 3: Every everyone knows that The university Of georgia always had
Speaker 3: like especially in recent, years has just sent a ton
Speaker 3: of players to the draft and d led he always
Speaker 3: stands front and center To Terry fonteau's press conference and
Speaker 3: a couple of other guys as, well and he asks
Speaker 3: them to talk about The and he's AN i by the,
Speaker 3: way he's one of the all time beat writer greats
Speaker 3: in our business in icon and he always wears a
Speaker 3: very unique bow tie and like he's he's an awesome.
Speaker 3: Dude and he stands at the very front and he
Speaker 3: asked THE gm to talk about the x number Of
Speaker 3: georgia players coming down in the, draft and then he lists.
Speaker 2: Them let's listen in just give us. This it's kind
Speaker 2: of like one for. Us it just amuses. Us just love,
Speaker 2: It De. Orlando we're gonna listen to his. Question then
Speaker 2: we're gonna take a.
Speaker 1: Break on the other side of the, break you will
Speaker 1: hear our interviews with the New raiders general Manager john Spy.
Speaker 1: Tech he makes it clear he's just not a friend
Speaker 1: Of tom fot he's his own. Guy he gave me
Speaker 1: the business a little.
Speaker 2: Bit was a fun.
Speaker 1: Conversation and then you'll hear immediately after that our conversation
Speaker 1: with the new kid on The. Block looks like he
Speaker 1: could be in The New kids on The. Block james Glatz,
Speaker 1: on the general manager of The. Jaguars we will close
Speaker 1: out the show on the other side of. That but, first,
Speaker 1: yeah De, orlando take it away.
Speaker 11: Here we didn't ask you about the fourteen players from
Speaker 11: The university Of georgia who are at the combine at
Speaker 11: two From Georgia tech the past you talk about putting
Speaker 11: up peaches on the, board got another twenty five players
Speaker 11: from high schools In. Georgia what is that like for you,
Speaker 11: know having a fertile local ground for your logo day
Speaker 11: and kids just scout and the maybe hill bought the
Speaker 11: team THAT.
Speaker 1: I here With John, spytech the general manager of The
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. Raiders welcome to your first combine running a.
Speaker 12: Team my gotta even know what is my twenty, third
Speaker 12: twenty four combines first and a share like, this so,
Speaker 12: yeah great to BE i was just joking my.
Speaker 5: Kids almost half of a year spent In india in my.
Speaker 5: Life that.
Speaker 4: Is, yeah when you do the, math it's. Concerning, YEAH i,
Speaker 4: KNOW i like AND i like.
Speaker 1: IT i like that it's here, Too BUT i also, think,
Speaker 1: like of all the places That i've spent a week
Speaker 1: in once a, year you, KNOW i could mix it.
Speaker 1: Up everyone is so fixated On. Indianapolis but let's let's
Speaker 1: get to, You. John we all have A raiders fan
Speaker 1: in our. Life, YEAH i love. That mine happens to
Speaker 1: be my personal, trainer which is embarrassing BECAUSE i have
Speaker 1: the body of like a thirteen year.
Speaker 5: Old it's kind of a humble breag.
Speaker 1: There, yeah it's like And i'm, LIKE i, said, Well
Speaker 1: i'm GONNA i told HIM i was gonna talk to,
Speaker 1: you and he's just, like just tell him we need a.
Speaker 2: Quarterback bring up the.
Speaker 1: QUARTERBACKS i am ready to give up on The raiders
Speaker 1: if he does not get us.
Speaker 2: Quarterback so what are you gonna do to make him
Speaker 2: happy and get a?
Speaker 12: Quarterback this autum sounds like we better find a quarterback that,
Speaker 12: listen what's his, Name?
Speaker 5: Steven. Steven we gotta Make steven.
Speaker 12: Happy we don't make our leaders trans to a HAPPY i,
Speaker 12: Listen we're gonna the way That i've, been the Way
Speaker 12: i've learned is you look, on you look, everywhere and
Speaker 12: you stay open, minded and then you end up In
Speaker 12: tampa like With Tom. Brady give me whoever would have
Speaker 12: Thought Tom brady would have come To. Tampa we were
Speaker 12: the losing his team and the four major sports in
Speaker 12: The american history at the, time and then the grace
Speaker 12: of all time shows up and then we found our
Speaker 12: way To baker. Two SO i, Listen we're gonna take
Speaker 12: this day at a. Time we're still working With pete
Speaker 12: And chip and the offensive staff about what's what's most,
Speaker 12: important what are the non, negotiables and you, know we're
Speaker 12: gonna keep swinging until we until we find that.
Speaker 3: Guy how aggressive are you prepared to? Be you guys
Speaker 3: have a lot of capital available to. You there's a
Speaker 3: lot of names floating, Around Matthew stafford being one of.
Speaker 4: Them but how aggressive are you guys thinking you're willing to?
Speaker 3: Be knowing that you, know you And pete sat up
Speaker 3: in your intro pressors and talked about wanting to be
Speaker 3: com very.
Speaker 4: Competitive, Immediately, YEAH.
Speaker 5: I think we'd.
Speaker 12: Be we're going to be intelligently aggressive and we're mindful
Speaker 12: of the money that we have and not just not
Speaker 12: just lighted on fire just to say, like, yeah we
Speaker 12: got three quarterbacks in a room, now and maybe one.
Speaker 5: Of them can be.
Speaker 2: It you, KNOW i Make steven happy, Though, YEAH i mean.
Speaker 12: It's going to be we go on the top of my.
Speaker 12: Board Make stephen, happy which should make all Of raaiter nation.
Speaker 12: Happy we play in a great, division and it's it's no.
Speaker 12: Secret if we don't we don't build a good, team
Speaker 12: and we don't we don't have a quarterback and support that, quarterback,
Speaker 12: like we're going to have a hard time in our.
Speaker 12: Division so you, know, Listen i've never been one to
Speaker 12: run from a. CHALLENGE i Know pete isn't one to
Speaker 12: run from a. Challenge and we're acutely aware of the
Speaker 12: quality of, coach quarterback roster and our division and we got.
Speaker 5: To put something together to compete with those.
Speaker 1: Times, honestly it's hard to folk just knowing how much
Speaker 1: Pop steven is getting in this interview and how happy
Speaker 1: he's gonna, be and how HAPPY i am that you, said,
Speaker 1: OH i know you before you interviewed. Me it's, like,
Speaker 1: OH i know you, Said Now I'm i'm just melting.
Speaker 4: You it is about, You, Greg it's all about and
Speaker 4: a personal.
Speaker 5: Trainer that's.
Speaker 1: It you, know you mentioned How Tom brady came To.
Speaker 1: Tampa maybe you were part of that reason because you
Speaker 1: obviously have a relationship with. Him you, were though a
Speaker 1: freshman on The michigan team when he was a. Senior
Speaker 1: what was The was there much of an interaction like
Speaker 1: then between you.
Speaker 12: TWO i MEAN i was on the scout team as
Speaker 12: a recher. FRESHMAN i MEAN i had much more daily
Speaker 12: interactions With Steve hutchinson And Jeff, bacchus who were who
Speaker 12: were beat me to death on the. Field but, YEAH
Speaker 12: i Mean tom was a great teammate. THEN i, remember you,
Speaker 12: know he would spend time with the freshman and eat
Speaker 12: dinner or eat meals with, us and you know he
Speaker 12: had that way about him back then, too you, know
Speaker 12: even before The Orange, bowl which he'd play that Great
Speaker 12: Orange bowl Against alabama where he led us back two
Speaker 12: different times from a fourteen point deficit and kind of
Speaker 12: like that was his you know swan song into THE. Nf,
Speaker 12: well that's just who he, is you, know it was
Speaker 12: who he was, then it is who he is. Now you,
Speaker 12: KNOW i WOULD i would Challenge tom to honestly answer
Speaker 12: that if he walked up to me In tampa without
Speaker 12: knowing WHO i, was that he could tell you WHO
Speaker 12: i was after those twenty years have. Passed i'm sure
Speaker 12: he would tell you that he did KNOW i WOULD
Speaker 12: i would be suspected that to say the.
Speaker 5: Least But i'm glad.
Speaker 12: That we've kind of reconnected our time In tampa and
Speaker 12: now In, vegas and you, know he's he's become a
Speaker 12: good friend but also a great resource for. Me and then,
Speaker 12: Listen i'm not sitting in the seat Because i'm friends
Speaker 12: With Tom. Brady it's not what he's. About to his,
Speaker 12: Core he's about football and winning football and being. Competitive
Speaker 12: and if you, know if you, don't if you're going
Speaker 12: to be on a team that he's a part of
Speaker 12: and you don't embody those, things you got no.
Speaker 4: Chance AND i love how that baries with your.
Speaker 3: Philosophy we've talked about it, Before, john and then also
Speaker 3: With pete's philosophy as.
Speaker 4: Well one thing we know About pete is he's going
Speaker 4: to want to run the.
Speaker 3: Ball he's going to want to be, Physical he's gonna
Speaker 3: want To you guys as a collective are going to
Speaker 3: want to kick some teeth in really former.
Speaker 4: LINEBACK i, mean my.
Speaker 3: Goodness so this run, game this offensive line in, combination you,
Speaker 3: know you guys have a lot of questions to, answer
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of things to figure out
Speaker 3: with this front and with that run, game revitalizing, it
Speaker 3: bringing some juice back into. It what's your assessment of
Speaker 3: where you guys are at some young offensive linemen we
Speaker 3: kind of.
Speaker 12: Popped, yeah, YEAH i think that when you started going
Speaker 12: through the, roster when we first got to To, Vegas you're, like,
Speaker 12: oh we've got some we got some good young pieces
Speaker 12: here that we can really build upon and in a
Speaker 12: place where it's really critical and my belief and my
Speaker 12: success is really in this in this league to have,
Speaker 12: that and you, know we're going to keep churning through
Speaker 12: that till we have the right group, together because it's
Speaker 12: about having talented, guys but it's about the cohesion in the.
Speaker 12: Groups the best. Ones i've been a part of that
Speaker 12: group In tampa last. Year they just they kind of
Speaker 12: walk lockstep. Together they're kind of about the same, things
Speaker 12: they hang out. TOGETHER i mean that that is kind
Speaker 12: of one of those position groups where it really, matters
Speaker 12: and so you, know but we got a great foundation,
Speaker 12: there and we got a great foundation on THE d
Speaker 12: line too with With max And christian and you, Know
Speaker 12: Malcolm coons has done some good things and so you,
Speaker 12: know it's a great place to. Start but we do
Speaker 12: have a big challenge in front of, us so it's
Speaker 12: one that we're excited.
Speaker 1: About you Mentioned Malcolm, koon so that reminds me of
Speaker 1: there's a lot of free, agents especially on the defensive
Speaker 1: side of, all a lot of good PLAYERS i. GOT
Speaker 1: i put out a list of free agents that came,
Speaker 1: out AND i got a lot of people, saying, oh
Speaker 1: you should Have Dron morig even.
Speaker 2: Higher he is that good of a.
Speaker 1: Player, like what are your thoughts of him And kuon's
Speaker 1: especially kind of as you enter this free agent period
Speaker 1: knowing they might have interest.
Speaker 5: Elsewhere, YEAH i mean, It they're both are good young.
Speaker 12: Players you, Know kuon's obviously had the unfortunate injury last
Speaker 12: year that kind of that will cost him his entire
Speaker 12: season and just as he was starting to, Play so
Speaker 12: you know that'll be a factor and how we figure this.
Speaker 12: Out but certainly MORE i think it's taken took a
Speaker 12: big step forward last year with his play and And
Speaker 12: Patrick graham coming, Back it's going to be a familiar
Speaker 12: defense in a lot of. Ways Now pete's going to
Speaker 12: have some influence on it as. Well So i'm excited
Speaker 12: to see how it kind of manifests, itself and you,
Speaker 12: know how we fit our players in. There but, YEAH i,
Speaker 12: mean they're both good young, players and we just we
Speaker 12: don't want to be in the habit of letting good
Speaker 12: young players leave leave the buildague.
Speaker 3: SKIS i, mean have you Watched pete And patrick collaborate,
Speaker 3: together BECAUSE i, Mean pete ran an iconic defense, OBVIOUSLY
Speaker 3: i Think Patrick gram's one of the best defensive, coordinators
Speaker 3: is one of the best coaches in THE. Nfl these
Speaker 3: schemes and these philosophies mirroring, TOGETHER i, MEAN i know
Speaker 3: you're dorking out over this internally every.
Speaker 12: Day, YEAH i unfortunately have so much to. DO i
Speaker 12: don't get to be in those meetings that. Much But
Speaker 12: peter to come up and just be, like, oh we
Speaker 12: had a great. Meeting oh there's so many good ideas up.
Speaker 12: There you go down to the whiteboard and it's things written,
Speaker 12: everywhere And i'm with. YOU i, Mean Pete's pete's resume
Speaker 12: and you know the defenses he built basically everywhere he's.
Speaker 12: Been but obviously everybody thinks Of. Seattle they speak for,
Speaker 12: themselves and you, Know patrick's done a great job. TOO
Speaker 12: i mean that was a really hard defense to. Crack
Speaker 12: last year we played him In tampa and they gave
Speaker 12: you everything you wanted and WITHOUT i, Mean max actually
Speaker 12: got injured in that game and finished the. Game and
Speaker 12: you know they're missing coons and they had some other injuries.
Speaker 12: Too So i'm excited to what becomes of. IT i
Speaker 12: hope that we can kind of like get through the
Speaker 12: draft AND i can be a part of those meetings
Speaker 12: a little bit. More BUT i hear all the great
Speaker 12: things AND i just haven't got to witness some first
Speaker 12: a little, bit little. Folmos i'm a little bit of
Speaker 12: a fumbo person.
Speaker 1: Too so that press conference That pete and you, had you,
Speaker 1: WERE i wouldn't have known that you guys had just
Speaker 1: got a met because it was like a buddy comedy.
Speaker 2: Deal like a lot of.
Speaker 1: Juice in that room Between Pete carroll and the defensive,
Speaker 1: coordinator a lot of jews on the field With Max. Crosby,
Speaker 1: obviously throughout the, year See long said he always wanted
Speaker 1: to be A, raider kind of backed off of that
Speaker 1: a little bit late last, season wanted to see what
Speaker 1: was happening with the. Organization are you Confident Max crosby
Speaker 1: is going to be part of this?
Speaker 12: Team, WELL i mean he's he's one of the great
Speaker 12: players in the. League and you, know he And i've
Speaker 12: had some really good conversations just getting to know each,
Speaker 12: other and you, KNOW i shared the vision of Where
Speaker 12: pete AND i really want to take this. Thing and you,
Speaker 12: know he wants to be a. CHAMPION i MEAN i
Speaker 12: respect that immensely about. Him and you know there's people
Speaker 12: that say, that and there's people that do that and
Speaker 12: live that, life and he's living it right. NOW i,
Speaker 12: MEAN i don't have anything to do With my family's
Speaker 12: still In, tampa saw anything to. Do so WHENEVER i wake,
Speaker 12: UP i just go in and there's always a really
Speaker 12: nice car parked in the, spot and he's, there and
Speaker 12: he's there late, too and so you, know, listen he,
Speaker 12: said you want to be a. Champion we want to
Speaker 12: make him a, champion and you know we're going to
Speaker 12: start from, there and that's a good place to.
Speaker 1: Start appreciate all the time, Today John spytech general. Manager second.
Speaker 1: Podcast he's ever done with this. Group he already Did
Speaker 1: playmakers With jordan Rod.
Speaker 4: Rigg your notice he got all his plugs, correct but
Speaker 4: missed the name of. Mine do you want to?
Speaker 5: Do want you to?
Speaker 2: Do the play? Call the play?
Speaker 1: Call there's been a lot Of playmakers conversation about the
Speaker 1: OLD espn show, lately so had that in my. Head
Speaker 1: which podcast was better, though Like jordan's or this? One
Speaker 1: that's your final.
Speaker 5: Question. Jordan's oh it was more in, depth in. Depth it's.
Speaker 2: True we only had ten minutes. Here appreciate the.
Speaker 1: Time, thanks thanks for having us all right here With James,
Speaker 1: gladstone the general manager of The Jacksonville.
Speaker 2: Jaguar holy. Cow how about?
Speaker 1: That like On friday they actually sent out a schedule
Speaker 1: of the combine and it said eleven thirty, Am JAGUARS
Speaker 1: Gmtbd and now here you, are just twenty four hours
Speaker 1: after meeting the local.
Speaker 8: Media welcome and what has this last week like been for?
Speaker 8: YOU i appreciate the op to sit down with you.
Speaker 8: Guys i'm a little disappointed THAT i didn't get how
Speaker 8: we do it?
Speaker 1: Right my?
Speaker 3: God the second podcast, Plug oh that's so. Cool James
Speaker 3: oh my.
Speaker 8: GOD a little, Disappointed but nonetheless it's been a great
Speaker 8: experience so. Far really getting to know our scouting and
Speaker 8: coaching staff over this stretch is going to be Something
Speaker 8: i'm really looking forward. To, obviously we haven't spent a
Speaker 8: ton of time, together and this is basically an off
Speaker 8: site for.
Speaker 5: Us we're already beginning the dialogue around.
Speaker 8: Our roster pro free, agency and you know through that
Speaker 8: a lot of connective tissue just comes to.
Speaker 1: Life, yeah you're part Of jordan's graduating class from from
Speaker 1: the Play, Callers john spytech guy who joined us.
Speaker 2: On the show and then.
Speaker 4: Lended personnel Die.
Speaker 3: Hard, yeah AND i love.
Speaker 8: It.
Speaker 3: James first of, all it's this must be crazy right for,
Speaker 3: you and you Know less's right hand director scouting for
Speaker 3: so many. Years overhauling that program In Los angeles goes
Speaker 3: back to back draft. CLASSES i was fortunate enough For
Speaker 3: james to be my tour guide of sorts through the
Speaker 3: scouting department last year and the processes THAT i know
Speaker 3: you would like to implement over time In. JACKSONVILLE i
Speaker 3: know you have big goals and big, dreams but where
Speaker 3: the heck do you?
Speaker 8: START i think it starts by calibrating to the current
Speaker 8: mode of operation In. Jacksonville all, Right so these guys
Speaker 8: have already teed it, up so to, speak And i'll
Speaker 8: calibrate to the way that they're operating as opposed to
Speaker 8: asking them to do that on a wider. Scale AND
Speaker 8: i think that'll allow us to just get in rhythm.
Speaker 8: Quicker it's going to be easier for one person to
Speaker 8: be agile than a larger.
Speaker 5: Group and then over time.
Speaker 8: We'll work in some specific efficiencies that will help us
Speaker 8: down the stretch here throughout the spring before ever doing
Speaker 8: more large scale.
Speaker 1: Shifts, yeah it's really interesting because you're coming into it
Speaker 1: a little late and later in the process than most general,
Speaker 1: manager even if even if it was like a month.
Speaker 1: Ago like, look you're right here at the combine when
Speaker 1: you think about tackling this. Roster obviously you must have
Speaker 1: spoken about a lot in your. Interviews where do you
Speaker 1: see the priorities on the roster of areas you want
Speaker 1: to work?
Speaker 2: On you know, WHAT i think we.
Speaker 8: Want to do our best job at every position to
Speaker 8: make it better and, better and so we're not going
Speaker 8: to look at any one position at this stage as
Speaker 8: needy more than the. Other SO i think we're going
Speaker 8: to keep an open mind in these conversations that we
Speaker 8: have this. Week see some of that surface just, organically
Speaker 8: AND i look forward to.
Speaker 3: THAT i liked what you said about it's easier for
Speaker 3: one person to be, agile and you said it in
Speaker 3: a voice That i'm very used to hearing in my.
Speaker 3: Ear that was a less, SISM i think a little.
Speaker 3: Bit but it's easier for one person to be agile
Speaker 3: than the. Collective AND i think that that's also a
Speaker 3: fact finding mission about the people you.
Speaker 4: Have, right how are you?
Speaker 3: BALANCING i, MEAN i know you have a bunch of
Speaker 3: data already from your own analysis of scouting of this
Speaker 3: last college, Class, right but how do you balance all
Speaker 3: of that data with the processes already in place and
Speaker 3: get to know people along the? Way like how do
Speaker 3: you connect with?
Speaker 4: People?
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, okay so there's layers to, that, right, sure is.
Speaker 8: RIGHT i Think i'll go to your first, question and
Speaker 8: now i'll go to your second. QUESTION i think WHAT
Speaker 8: i tend to do IS i start from a place of,
Speaker 8: humility AND i think that by doing so and leveling with,
Speaker 8: people it garners you, know a mutual level.
Speaker 5: Of respect and. Trust by. DEFAULT i think.
Speaker 8: Beyond, that you, Know i'm only familiar with the way
Speaker 8: that we at THE rams had done, it and So
Speaker 8: i'm really really excited to just see a different way
Speaker 8: of moving about the. Process AND i am certain there
Speaker 8: are going to be cool things that surface throughout that
Speaker 8: THAT i had never thought of and want to carry.
Speaker 8: Forward so that's something That i'm really looking forward. To
Speaker 8: AND i just can't wait to get to know the
Speaker 8: staff on a deeper. Level AND i think a lot
Speaker 8: of these conversations that are happening right now are going
Speaker 8: to bring that into.
Speaker 2: Focus for our listeners who are are curious about your.
Speaker 1: BACKGROUND i didn't know until this this last week that you,
Speaker 1: were you, know coaching high school team In Saint.
Speaker 2: Louis that's how you first Met Les, snead that his
Speaker 2: son was on that.
Speaker 1: TEAM i happened to see his wife had a comment On,
Speaker 1: twitter uh just last, night AND i wanted to ask
Speaker 1: you about.
Speaker 8: It.
Speaker 1: Uh she said that you described yourself as an offensive
Speaker 1: lineman in a wide receiver's.
Speaker 2: Body can you can you just unpack that for? Us
Speaker 2: what does that mean?
Speaker 5: Mean you know? What that's that's? Interesting all?
Speaker 4: Right so she kind of blew up your spottle WAS
Speaker 4: i was, like what does that?
Speaker 2: Mean oh, Wait i'm going to talk to him.
Speaker 5: Tomorrow SO i think through, that, RIGHT i.
Speaker 8: Was my dad was a second generation high school teacher
Speaker 8: and football, coach and, so, UH i grew up in
Speaker 8: the halls of what would you, know eventually become my
Speaker 8: my high school and the first place out of college
Speaker 8: THAT i would. WORK i grew up in those locker
Speaker 8: rooms on the. Sidelines my dad raised me through the
Speaker 8: sport of football through his likeness and that was an
Speaker 8: offensive lineman and really the idea of collective effort and
Speaker 8: being bigger than any one. Individual that's where football captured my.
Speaker 8: Heart and so that's WHAT i, mean, right the idea
Speaker 8: of it's not about you as much as.
Speaker 1: It is the.
Speaker 8: Whole and so that's WHY i, say you, know more
Speaker 8: rooted in the service, oriented don't need the credit offensive line,
Speaker 8: mindset whereas you, know wide receivers are a little bit
Speaker 8: more forward.
Speaker 5: Facing they put the ball across the goal line and that's.
Speaker 3: Important you, Know, James you're gonna hate this Because i'm
Speaker 3: going to give you a. Compliment but the teaching mentality
Speaker 3: in the background as an, educator as an explainer of.
Speaker 3: THINGS i know it was a long long time, ago
Speaker 3: but those fundamentals and those core principles you carried that
Speaker 3: with you into the reshaping and the progressive evolution of
Speaker 3: the ramzone draft. Process what are those fundamentals to you
Speaker 3: leaning to a, collective what the goal, is how to
Speaker 3: achieve that goal and bring people with you in that.
Speaker 8: Explanation, yeah you, KNOW i think football is a complex
Speaker 8: system with a lot of moving.
Speaker 5: Parts so we're going to focus on some fundamental elements
Speaker 5: and execute those exceptionally. Well AND i think that helps you.
Speaker 5: Know IF i dove in a little bit just to, storytell.
Speaker 2: Yeah this is.
Speaker 4: Therapy no one's.
Speaker 3: Listening.
Speaker 2: Science, yes very in depth.
Speaker 3: QUESTIONS i used to tease, You, james Because i'd be,
Speaker 3: like you just, wait once you get the big, Job
Speaker 3: i'm finally going to get to talk to you in.
Speaker 8: PUBLISHED i appreciate you trying, to you, know turn on the,
Speaker 8: light so to. Speak but, nonetheless WHEN i was a,
Speaker 8: TEACHER i knew from a young age that that's WHAT
Speaker 8: i wanted to. Pursue i'd see my grandfather do, It
Speaker 8: i'd see my dad do.
Speaker 5: It they had.
Speaker 8: Success SO i had a road map for success and
Speaker 8: then putting my own spin on. It and so WHEN
Speaker 8: i decided to pivot only three years into that, profession
Speaker 8: after having from a young age the idea THAT i
Speaker 8: was going to embark on that for my life's, journey
Speaker 8: it was a little bit of a. Shock AND i
Speaker 8: went from being a, teacher somebody who identifies strengths and
Speaker 8: weaknesses and an individual and then.
Speaker 5: Helps that individual address those and.
Speaker 8: Grow WHEN i got into then the lens of, scouting
Speaker 8: you're still addressing or, highlighting identifying those strengths.
Speaker 5: And, weaknesses but you're not a part of the.
Speaker 8: Growth and so initially that was a void THAT i
Speaker 8: had not filled after making a, transition and over TIME
Speaker 8: i started to shape the idea of scouting around, well
Speaker 8: here's strengths and weaknesses within a, profile here's strengths and
Speaker 8: weaknesses within another, profile or within a larger collective group
Speaker 8: or a side of the ball or a, team and
Speaker 8: pairing those together is WHERE i filled that. Void so
Speaker 8: that's my way of helping others that are playing for
Speaker 8: us grow by being paired with those who highlight them.
Speaker 5: In the most you, know complementary.
Speaker 1: Way AND i LOVE i love, that AND i love
Speaker 1: the the offensive lineman mindset as, well and yet we
Speaker 1: do know some some players are more. Important then There's
Speaker 1: Trevor lawrence is obviously front and center of this for this.
Speaker 1: Organization what how do you look at like your role
Speaker 1: in trying to help him out kind of be be
Speaker 1: the Best Trevor lawrence that that we've seen so.
Speaker 8: Far, YEAH i don't think we've seen the best Of,
Speaker 8: trevor AND i really look forward to seeing him within
Speaker 8: the scheme That liam brings to. Life AND i think
Speaker 8: that the multiplicity that he offers within the, scheme the
Speaker 8: variety of really the run game and the screen, game
Speaker 8: it's going to give this team a notable edge And
Speaker 8: trevor's gonna feel the benefits of. That, now beyond, that
Speaker 8: in terms of, PERSONNEL i think interior offensive line is
Speaker 8: something that helps a quarterback out. Significantly being able to
Speaker 8: step into your throws is gonna just bring success and
Speaker 8: and really bring. Confidence and SO i think beyond, that
Speaker 8: obviously you're always going to want to give him some
Speaker 8: weapons and continue to keep that that. Deep but, yeah
Speaker 8: we look forward here down the stretch to address some
Speaker 8: of these.
Speaker 3: Things what did you guys say about the line when
Speaker 3: you were looking. For As Taylor morton would, say it
Speaker 3: sometimes too, big strong and.
Speaker 8: Tough, YEAH i would say one of the things THAT
Speaker 8: i probably carry with, me and this is at every.
Speaker 8: POSITION i probably have some version of a, slogan but
Speaker 8: it's getting the, way stay in the.
Speaker 1: Way if you can do, that you're built to be A.
Speaker 1: Jaguar it is an exciting off. Season jaguars fans deserve.
Speaker 1: It some of the most loyal fans in the entire.
Speaker 1: Business AND i think it's going to be a, fun
Speaker 1: additive off. Season the Ad Lion, cohen they add yourself
Speaker 1: and not a lot of key free agents and so
Speaker 1: and draft. Picks, yeah a lot of draft. Picks so
Speaker 1: look for The jaguars team to be a lot. Different
Speaker 1: what do you want to say there about for now
Speaker 1: you're gonna add or some Tra i'll tell.
Speaker 2: You i'll tell you.
Speaker 3: Less sneed said said that every year he'd walk off
Speaker 3: the lectern and go this many picks and they need
Speaker 3: go for? Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah if you do take anything From lestie and
Speaker 1: we can expect some, trades some wheeling and.
Speaker 2: Dealing really appreciate the, Time, James thank you guys very.
Speaker 5: Much it was a.
Speaker 1: Joy, congratulations appreciate. It really enjoyed both those. INTERVIEWS i had.
Speaker 3: The best time talking with those guys with. YOU I,
Speaker 3: okay later this, week you're gonna hear A john Spy
Speaker 3: tech story From Jason. Light that dude's kind of a.
Speaker 3: BADASS i, mean it's there's some there's some fire There
Speaker 3: Pete carroll and. HIM i think you're gonna make a
Speaker 3: pretty pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Team vibes, Wise raiders Win. Tuesday, yeah If i'm ranking
Speaker 1: the combination OF Gm vibe With Coach vibe just in
Speaker 1: terms of kind of cool and just, like, OH I
Speaker 1: i'd like to hang out with those, guys but also
Speaker 1: Like i'm glad they're running my favorite team and they're
Speaker 1: kind of an odd, couple but they make sense.
Speaker 2: Together, yeah Spy tech and Care i'll sign me up for.
Speaker 9: That.
Speaker 1: SIcom i'm excited for this generation in this era Of raiders,
Speaker 1: football AND i am excited about what's new In. Jacksonville
Speaker 1: it's definitely, yeah very much feels like just a brand
Speaker 1: new era and they're attacking things a little differently and
Speaker 1: hopefully just are kind of getting a feel of what
Speaker 1: these guys are actually. Like and it's very cool that
Speaker 1: you know between you know the Play callers series and
Speaker 1: then you, Know james there was a fan of your
Speaker 1: your old The Loven PERSONNEL rams. Podcast it's just Like
Speaker 1: jordan Just s has like all these guys all around the.
Speaker 1: League they're coming up.
Speaker 3: This this totally disarmed, Me, GREG i MEAN i really was.
Speaker 3: THROUGH i almost fell out of the chair when he
Speaker 3: said he brought up the old intro to my very
Speaker 3: beloved little little, show A Loven personnel podcast that covered
Speaker 3: The rams and that he did the drop the intro
Speaker 3: drop to, it AND i almost fell out of the.
Speaker 3: CHAIR i was, like you, know how PREPARED i am
Speaker 3: for this? Stuff And aunt, Like i'm just AND i
Speaker 3: was like, TOTALLY i didn't even remember WHAT i was
Speaker 3: gonna ask. Him it was very, Nice it was. Awesome
Speaker 3: it's a nice. Thing AND i love talking to those two.
Speaker 3: Guys and as you've mentioned a million, times, yeah you'll
Speaker 3: hear some more interviews throughout the. Week so that was
Speaker 3: forty seven things we learned at The Scouting combine On. Tuesday,
Speaker 3: now not nearly as many people are speaking On. Wednesday
Speaker 3: it's in the single. Digits so what should we what
Speaker 3: should we?
Speaker 2: Guess for the?
Speaker 1: Number some news will come, out Though i'm gonna say
Speaker 1: it at. Seventeen things will learn, tomorrow how about.
Speaker 3: That So i'm gonna hit the over on that BECAUSE
Speaker 3: i know.
Speaker 1: You, okay we'll. See it'll be around seventeen to twenty.
Speaker 1: Three we'll hear some from some. Interviews we're not done
Speaker 1: here at the Scouting. Combine but it was a Great.
Speaker 1: TUESDAY i gotta, say, Man i'm gonna have to ask
Speaker 1: for a judgment calledgue football is it? Back because it
Speaker 1: kind of felt like the twenty five, Season like we're
Speaker 1: talking the season.
Speaker 2: Is almost. Here do we think it's?
Speaker 3: Back football is so pricking?
Speaker 2: Bad oh my, god it's. Over gregular. SEASON i guess is.
Speaker 2: Over football is. Back we will see If wednesday m
Speaker 11: Hm