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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh, there's

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Speaker 1: Chuck and Dave's here sitting in on his own uh podcast,

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Speaker 1: how about that? And this is just a funeral, right? Uh? No,

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Speaker 1: definitely not. No, this is a much more happy occasion

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Speaker 1: because it's an episode of Short Stuff. And what's happier

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Speaker 1: than that? I agree? So, Chuck, we're talking about something

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Speaker 1: that you dug up. I had never heard of this,

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Speaker 1: despite living in Atlanta for more than half of my life. Um,

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Speaker 1: something called Atlanta's washer Women's Strike. Granted I was not

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Speaker 1: alive in the eighteen eighties, but I'm still kind of surprised.

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Speaker 1: I never heard of it. I had not heard of

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Speaker 1: it until I went to, uh, you know, the fantastic

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Speaker 1: Oakland Cemetery here in Atlanta. Every Halloween they have what's

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Speaker 1: called Capturing the Spirit of Halloween tour and it is

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Speaker 1: Oakland Cemeteries, Atlanta's you know, historic, their Parade de Lachey.

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Speaker 1: We're quite a few prominent people are buried and it's

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Speaker 1: our our big in town old cemetery and you walk

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Speaker 1: around during Halloween with a drink. They serve drinks in

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Speaker 1: groups of like twelve to fift and then it's a

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Speaker 1: good size. And what they have is I think five

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Speaker 1: different stories being told by actors in costume. Uh, next

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Speaker 1: to the graves of the people whose story it is.

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Speaker 1: Do they tell the stories like this? They do a

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Speaker 1: but if that got really old, so we all just

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Speaker 1: said we please stop. So it's different stories every year. Um,

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Speaker 1: they find different stories from the people buried there. And

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Speaker 1: one of the stories was a woman who was part

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Speaker 1: of this washer woman strike. And Emily and I both

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Speaker 1: were like, I've never heard of this, What a great story.

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Speaker 1: She's like, you gotta do this on stuff you should know?

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Speaker 1: And I said, why are you telling me what to

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Speaker 1: do the stuff you should know? You've never even listened

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Speaker 1: to stuff you should know? And she said, well, I'd

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Speaker 1: listen to this if you ever did anything I'm interested in, Emily,

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Speaker 1: she might listen to this one. So I said that

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Speaker 1: that's actually a perfect short stuff. So here we go. Okay,

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Speaker 1: two things. There's a documentary about Oakland Cemetery and if

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Speaker 1: you watch it closely, our colleague Robert Lamb from Stuff

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Speaker 1: to Blow Your Mind is in it. He's like in

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Speaker 1: in the crowd, surprised it's an uncredited cameo. The other

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Speaker 1: thing is you and I were over there the other

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Speaker 1: day to see We went to the Eastern for the

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Speaker 1: first time to see a show. Yeah, yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: really cool. And um, the the whole area, I didn't

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, we're like right by

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Speaker 1: the cemetery. It's just completely changed. Uh, well, yeah, that

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Speaker 1: area is definitely different over there now, but it's five

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Speaker 1: To me, it was like night and day. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess when you don't go by there, I'm a

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Speaker 1: little offended that you didn't. You were that close and

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Speaker 1: you didn't come by and like throw a paperbag full

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Speaker 1: of poop on my doorstep and light it on fire. No,

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Speaker 1: we were in and out. Momo wasn't with us, which

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Speaker 1: means we have three hours. We don't leave in a

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Speaker 1: hours to get there and back, and um, we got

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Speaker 1: to see most of a violent fem show, which was

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Speaker 1: really really good. Um, and we just didn't have time.

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Speaker 1: You mean, was like, should we And I was like,

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Speaker 1: was just like, we gotta missiencore through. This's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: So okay, back to it, Chuck, we understand where this

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Speaker 1: idea came from. Thank you, Emily, but let's tell everybody

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Speaker 1: about it, because this was a huge, um, a watershed moment,

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Speaker 1: you could say, in um the history of labor in Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: which sounds way more boring than it actually is. Yeah

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Speaker 1: and big thanks to Washington Post is a great article

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Speaker 1: a very pro union website. I think it was the

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Speaker 1: nfl c i oh website for real. Okay, yeah, that

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Speaker 1: sounds about right. Uh So, to paint a picture of

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Speaker 1: Atlanta in the eighties, it was a city trying to

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Speaker 1: Atlanta's ripe for business down here. We got a lot

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Speaker 1: It's not too far after the Civil war. Wink wink.

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Speaker 1: the reason why is because it was not fun work

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Speaker 1: at all and the washer women who were performing this

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Speaker 1: this work, this service were paid so little that even

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Speaker 1: like generally poor white families could afford to hire a

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Speaker 1: local black laundress to do the laundry for the family. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they didn't have up north. They already had um like

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Speaker 1: you know, manufactured cloth had come along. There were just

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Speaker 1: you know that this didn't have washing machines. You had

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Speaker 1: heat it up by fire and hang them up all

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Speaker 1: which it doesn't matter what time you live in, that

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Speaker 1: a lot of black moms, especially a lot of black

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Speaker 1: them and their families from those wages just by working really,

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Speaker 1: it's not like you started making more money. The way

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Speaker 1: and to take on more and more clients. Right. Um.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things about this this profession, though,

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Speaker 1: and notably, they did this work at their own homes,

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Speaker 1: so they made their own uh, washing soap. They would

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Speaker 1: least they're at home. They're doing this work. Uh. It

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Speaker 1: is tough, backbreaking work, but like you said, it provided

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Speaker 1: and I think we should take a break'll talk about

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Speaker 1: what happened. M Alright, So now we're in the summer

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Speaker 1: of eight one, super hot in Atlanta hot doing this

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Speaker 1: to add more accounts. So let's form a trade organization. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They called it the Washing Society, and let's see if

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Speaker 1: we can get a little more respect and a little

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Speaker 1: more autonomy and more than anything, let's see if we

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Speaker 1: can get some some sort of codified higher pay to

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Speaker 1: the tune of about a dollar per twelve pounds of wash. Yeah. So, um,

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Speaker 1: meeting and saying, let's let's basically form a cartel, essentially

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Speaker 1: first twenty to three thousand members of this washing Society

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Speaker 1: even more impressive, Chuck, they included white women too, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: which you know this is one that is not something

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Speaker 1: basically said, hey, you know you've been harassing people with

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Speaker 1: Sarah A. Collier, was um and I wish I could

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Speaker 1: looked it up, but they took all that down after Halloween,

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Speaker 1: But she was find twenty dollars, which was I mean,

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Speaker 1: find out why she was find twenty and other ones

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Speaker 1: were find five dollars. But this this, the purpose that

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Speaker 1: Sarah Collier said, I'm not paying that, and they said, well,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna go work on a chain gang, forty nine

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Speaker 1: year old asthmatic mother of two, and she did for

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Speaker 1: forty days. And that's the kind of thing that other

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Speaker 1: people look at and find genuine inspiration from. And that

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Speaker 1: really helped, I think, kind of solidify this is if

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Speaker 1: even more than it was already. Yeah. Absolutely. Um, So

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Speaker 1: the city council comes along, they say, all right, if

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Speaker 1: you want to be a member of this washerwoman organization,

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Speaker 1: then you have to pay the city a twenty annual fee.

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Speaker 1: And also if you want to start a commercial laundry

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Speaker 1: like so we can put them out of business. We'll

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Speaker 1: give you a nonprofit tax exempt status even so we can. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so we can drive them out of their work. And

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Speaker 1: twenty dollars is that's definitely half a year's wage. They

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Speaker 1: wrote a letter to the mayor and said, you know what, fine,

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Speaker 1: we'll pay it. We're not going in, we're not going anywhere,

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Speaker 1: we're not washing any more clothes. Will pay your organizational

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Speaker 1: fee and what do you think about that? And the

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Speaker 1: was reading that letter, right, and they said in his

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Speaker 1: dirty shirt, right, there's like flies buzzing around. So, um,

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Speaker 1: it's not entirely clear what happened afterward. Um, but from

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