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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too, and we're just a trio

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Speaker 2: of root and tutin bandits on stuff you should know.

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Speaker 1: Let's just get better and better.

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Speaker 2: Well, I wanted to nod to Las Vegas's Old West

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Speaker 2: I guess history. So, yeah, you know there were bandits there.

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Speaker 2: They used words like root and tutin. I presume, of

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Speaker 2: course they did. So it was that propoem in my take.

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Speaker 2: I agree, thanks man, I appreciate the support.

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Speaker 1: So early history of Las Vegas, the earliest we're starting

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Speaker 1: out and uh, you know with indigenous tribes, and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna work our way forward to what like the eighties, sure, seventies, No,

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Speaker 1: maybe even.

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Speaker 2: The early nineties, oh, late eighties, early nineties, the nineteen

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Speaker 2: nineties even, oh wow, all right, so we are going

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Speaker 2: to start at the beginning. There seems to have been

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Speaker 2: evidence of habitation. I saw according to PBS that dates

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Speaker 2: to fifteen thousand years ago, not too shabby. That's even

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Speaker 2: pre Clovis. There's I've also seen like about ten thousand

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Speaker 2: years and then the thing that drew people to Las

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Speaker 2: Vegas a spring, if you can believe it, that actually

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Speaker 2: turned the area around Las Vegas as we know it

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Speaker 2: now into kind of a relatively verdant area in a

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Speaker 2: desert that didn't erupt until eight thousand years ago. So

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Speaker 2: there might have been people hanging out in like rock

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Speaker 2: dwellings and caves around there here or there, but it

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Speaker 2: wasn't like a place you wanted to stay until that

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Speaker 2: spring came up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like Tiktook was wandering around saying, does anyone know

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Speaker 1: where Carrot Top is playing?

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Speaker 2: That's right, man, that guy has had a residency for

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Speaker 2: ten years now?

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Speaker 1: Is he in Vegas? I was kind of kidding.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, he's had a residency for ten years now.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, good for him.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, it might be more than that.

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Speaker 2: It might be eight thousand years that he's been there.

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Speaker 1: So we did promise talk of and I guess that's

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Speaker 1: about where we're going to pick up in with our story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Sure, with the new Wuvi people, which are part of

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Speaker 1: the Southern Paiute Native American tribe who were kind of

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Speaker 1: all over the place down there southern California, southern Nevada,

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Speaker 1: southern Utah, northern Arizona kind of in that little strip, yes,

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Speaker 1: and that they were there in Las Vegas, like you said,

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Speaker 1: largely because there was a spring there.

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Speaker 2: Right, And they were hunters and gatherers, and they were

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Speaker 2: known for their really well crafted dice.

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Speaker 1: We're just going to have those all over the place

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Speaker 1: for sure.

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Speaker 2: For sure. So they lived there among other people too,

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Speaker 2: and again they were hunter gatherers, so they I don't

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Speaker 2: believe they were considered permanent inhabitants of the area, but

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Speaker 2: they definitely lived around there, So I guess it wasn't

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Speaker 2: until the eighteen twenties. No, even after that. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: until the eighteen fifties that the area we know of

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Speaker 2: as Las Vegas was actually first permanently settled, and even

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Speaker 2: then it was temporary. If that's not enough of a

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Speaker 2: mind boggler.

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Speaker 1: For you, well, are we gonna spoil who that is

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Speaker 1: by two minutes?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I think we should, because I don't want people

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Speaker 2: to have to wait for that.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, who is it?

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Speaker 2: The Mormons?

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Speaker 1: That's right, but pre Mormon, when it was just a

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Speaker 1: little spring, it did become known. It was part of

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Speaker 1: Mexico at the time, of course, and it became known

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Speaker 1: as Las Vegas de Quintana the Meadows in Spanish. And

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Speaker 1: in eighteen twenty nine is when it first sort of

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Speaker 1: started just being a thing at all, because it was

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Speaker 1: a stop on what was called the Old Spanish Trail,

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Speaker 1: which was a trade route between Las Vegas and Los Angeles,

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Speaker 1: with the stop in Utah on the way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, the reason why you would stop there

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Speaker 2: is because there's running water there. That's a rarity in

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Speaker 2: And I think around the eighteen forty is a guy

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Speaker 2: He was sent by the United States to go see

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Speaker 2: for the United States. But do it surreptitiously, because again,

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Speaker 2: all of this area belongs to Mexico. We've just been

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Speaker 2: thinking about maybe taking it over.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I want to correct myself real quick. It

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Speaker 1: does the Old Spanish Trail to connect Vegas to La

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Speaker 1: but it started in Santa Fe. So we want to

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Speaker 1: sell them short.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, not at all.

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Speaker 1: We love our Santa.

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Speaker 2: Fans, Santa fe Inian nights in.

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Speaker 1: The night ganders right. So the US of Mexico went

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Speaker 1: to war. This is something that I think we should

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Speaker 1: cover at some point on an episode. From eighteen forty

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Speaker 1: six to eighteen forty eight, Mexico lost and under the

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Speaker 1: Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo everything north of the Rio Grand

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Speaker 1: basically about half of its territory at the time, was

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Speaker 1: given up, and Las Vegas Decantana was in there. So

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Speaker 1: now the US government officially is control, is controlling of

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Speaker 1: what would end up being the Las Vegas we know,

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Speaker 1: and some of us love, some of us maybe don't

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Speaker 1: so much. And this was the year eighteen forty eight,

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Speaker 1: so that was right before the Gold Rush of forty nine,

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Speaker 1: so it was already a stopover because of that old

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Speaker 1: Spanish trail, and it was just more firmly entrenched as

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Speaker 1: these forty nine ers would head west looking to catch

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Speaker 1: a show and play little Blackjack, I guess, and spend the.

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Speaker 2: Night for sure. And that gold Rush of forty nine

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Speaker 2: is what really disrupted the pious, kind of generally peaceful

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Speaker 2: westward and passed through Vegas, and some even stayed and

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Speaker 2: decided to stick a claim there. And in eighteen fifty five,

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Speaker 2: like I said, the Mormons showed up. Brigham Young said

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Speaker 2: to William Bringhurst, get thee with thirty of thoused people

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Speaker 2: to thine Las Vegas area and set up a mission. Basically,

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Speaker 2: he's like, don't kid yourself. Let's build a fort because

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Speaker 2: we're not exactly sure how this is going to be received. Now, well,

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Speaker 2: once you've built a fort, maybe, you know, make friendly

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Speaker 2: contact with the Piute people, teach them how to farm,

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Speaker 2: and then baptize them when they're not paying attention.

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Speaker 1: That's right. He kind of buried the lead, didn't he. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So while they were there, they did put up a fort,

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Speaker 1: they did baptize I think the number was fifty nine

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Speaker 1: people of you know, Piute people. And then they did

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Speaker 1: so thing or they found something that ended up being

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Speaker 1: really kind of key to why Las Vegas continued to

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Speaker 1: be a thing, which was or they found lead or

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Speaker 1: and set up a mine nearby. And as you will see,

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Speaker 1: mining and finding deposits of all kinds of valuable things

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Speaker 2: For sure. And let's imagine like having the knowledge of

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Speaker 2: just how to set up a mind, could you start

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Speaker 2: a mind today? How to scratch? I couldn't know. I'd

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Speaker 2: be like, I don't I don't know what I'm doing.

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Speaker 2: But that's what they did, and like you said, it

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Speaker 2: kind of created this this legacy discovery. But they they

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Speaker 2: intensive agriculture they were trying to create was not sustainable

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Speaker 2: by the spring that had burst forth eight thousand years before. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was good. You could raise a little bit of crops.

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Speaker 2: You could definitely do some hunter gathering. You could get

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Speaker 2: a nice cool drink and bathe in it. But you

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Speaker 2: really couldn't do anything major with it. And so Brigham

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Speaker 2: Young said, get Thoust back to Thine Salt Lake area

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Speaker 2: and that fort actually is still there today, in part

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Speaker 2: this is a really handy thing to have.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, you know, there was some other

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Speaker 1: stuff there. There were some cabins and you know, remnants

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Speaker 1: that happened with a gentleman named Octavius decatur Gas who

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Speaker 1: was from that's two s's by the way, and he

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Speaker 1: was from Ohio and went to California in eighteen fifty

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Speaker 1: selling prefab homes, which was great timing, yeah, because you

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Speaker 1: know that that forty nine er gold rush boom. It

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Speaker 1: and he staked a claim, well several even, but one

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Speaker 1: at Eldorado Canyon, about fifty miles away from that original

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I saw The Las Vegas Review Journal described

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Speaker 2: modestly successful, but his ambitions were never were never reached.

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Speaker 2: And that came as far as Las Vegas is con

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Speaker 2: and when he happened upon that old Mormon fort with

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Speaker 2: because again there's water there. But more to the point,

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Speaker 2: they used some of that water to grow grape vines,

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Speaker 2: which they turned into wine, which is even harder to

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Speaker 2: that made that place a must stop pit stop on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you could stop there and get a drink.

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Speaker 1: It was like the seeds of early Las Vegas already planted.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing is is it was probably red wine

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Speaker 2: not a good mix.

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Speaker 1: No, it certainly as we know, you know how American

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Speaker 1: wine has grown. Now, it's not an ideal place to

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Speaker 1: grow wine. But back then I think it was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: we can grow some grapes that will get you.

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Speaker 2: Drunk, right. I think that was the point, which is

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Speaker 2: very vegacy.

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Speaker 1: It's very vegacy. So things start to accumulate there, as

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Speaker 1: guess sort of founder. Sorry bring him young. Was enjoying power.

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Speaker 1: You know, he was the first guy there to set

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Speaker 1: you know what we want to do here is we

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Speaker 1: want to actually redraw these lines and these territory lines,

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Speaker 1: and we want to actually scoot Nevada over to where

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Speaker 1: this weird Vegas ranches encompass within Nevada, he was like, no,

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Speaker 1: Let's do it learn and stuff with Joshua John stuff.

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Speaker 2: Heads, right turned out they finally managed to come to

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Speaker 2: And what's interesting is William Clark, he was extraordinarily rich,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, super interesting little side story there, I love it.

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Speaker 2: To day, that's really funny because Mark Twain called William

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Speaker 2: And I didn't realize that they named the county after him.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting, right, So I'm sure everyone's like, when are

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Speaker 1: No, we're there. So gambling in Vegas, just like much

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Speaker 2: Then they reversed that too in nineteen thirty one, thanks

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Speaker 2: But you can gamble. Now, what's funny is the Nevada

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Speaker 1: Like that five dollars that you spend on a scratch off,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you could be doing that. You can put it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could totally see that. So they're fighting the

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Speaker 1: It looks super cool in old school.

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Speaker 2: It's on the Fremont Street experience.

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Speaker 1: Right, I have no idea I think it is. So.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And so it's it's it's whatever that weird non time

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Speaker 2: That was them and some of them are still there.

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Speaker 2: Like you said, the Golden Gate or the Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: Golden Gate is it?

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Speaker 1: Uh? Is it awesome to like walk under that thing?

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Speaker 2: It's pretty cool. It's cool. It's got a lot of

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Speaker 2: it has a lot of history that Neon Museums there,

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll check it out, but just.

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Speaker 2: Be where you could. I'm going to make a case

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Speaker 1: So we recommend are we recommending it officially?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: All right, go to meol Well first and then go

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Speaker 1: So this was again the nineteen thirties, so there was

436
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: illegal gambling going on all over Los Angeles at the time,

437
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 1: and they were like, hey, Vegas is not that far.

438
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: Pretty soon there'll be a very cheap and quick Southwest

439
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 1: Airlines flight that goes there four hundred times a day.

440
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: But now we can make that drive at least through

441
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 1: the desert, just like Vince Vaughn did, and swingers and

442
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 1: gamble our little hearts away. And one of those guys

443
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: was well, he was a guy. His name was Guy.

444
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: His name was Guy McAfee, and he was the commander

445
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,479
Speaker 1: of the LAPD Vice Squad, which is to say, at

446
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: the time he was probably dirty and crooked because he

447
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: was swept out along with a lot of the corruption

448
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: in the early nineteen thirties and the LAPD one of

449
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 1: their one of the first runs at making the LAPD

450
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: straight and narrow. I guess, like, I'm not banging on them.

451
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: I think they have a rich history of corruption, right.

452
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to sound too harsh, but we

453
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: all know that we've seen the movies. Sure, But he

454
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: was known as the Captain and he was at the

455
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: time in La married to a madam, a Hollywood madam

456
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: who ran a string of gambling houses. They were all

457
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: connected to the Mob, of course, and the riding was

458
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: on the wall that he needed to get the heck

459
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: out of Dodge, which was La and he said, Vegas

460
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: seems like kind of the perfect landing spot for me.

461
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so he showed up and bought the Golden Nugget.

462
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 2: He bought another place called the Pair o Dice Club,

463
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 2: which I read that five times before I got it.

464
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: The Paradise Club. Oh, well, I got it, you got

465
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 2: it now.

466
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: I didn't get it the first one.

467
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 2: Okay, good, I'm glad it wasn't just me.

468
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: I thought you were just confused by a pair of dice.

469
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it was the point I didn't get.

470
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it now.

471
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: And the reason why I finally got it is because

472
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: he set up an area outside of Las Vegas city

473
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 2: limits that he named Paradise Paradise, Nevada. It's technically not

474
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 2: a town, it's unincorporated Clark County, but he named it

475
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: after his club, Paro Dice. But he called this area Paradise.

476
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 2: And this is the strip, This is the Las Vegas

477
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: Strip still today, everything from the Bellaggio, the Venetian, the

478
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: Win the Cosmopolitan, the Staybridge Suites. All of them are

479
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: actually outside of Las Vegas city limits in this unincorporated

480
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: part of Clark County called Paradise that was set up

481
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: in the nineteen thirties by a corrupt LAPD Vice squad

482
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: commander named Guy McAfee.

483
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,479
Speaker 1: Nice subnation, thanks. So this is where I mean they

484
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: called it the Strip then, and this is where things

485
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: really started to boom all this development began. Mind you,

486
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: this was still in the nineteen four so they were

487
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: still sort of the ranch style, low lying, not you know,

488
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: these big high rises that would come later on. We'll

489
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: get to that.

490
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 2: They were like s kicker casino resorts.

491
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: Oh totally. I think everyone knows what you mean, right, Yeah, I.

492
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:20,479
Speaker 2: Think so, you know, kicking what I said, what I

493
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: was gonna say, I'm just kidding.

494
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: So there was a hotel here from California named Thomas Hall.

495
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: He opened the first sort of all self contained in

496
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: and of itself luxury casino resort in nineteen forty one

497
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: called l Rancho Vegas, named after he had other properties

498
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: name named Rancho. As the story goes, his car broke

499
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: down outside of Vegas, and he was out there burning

500
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: up in the heat, and he had like a vision

501
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: for to just be in a swimming pool, and so

502
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: he was like, that needs to happen out here. So

503
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: that's what he did. He opened up the first big

504
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: place that had swimming pools and.

505
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 2: Restaurants, movie stars.

506
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: Movie stars and opera house, had places where you could shop.

507
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: It had the casino, of course, like the first what

508
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: we think of as a casino was that one. And

509
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: he did pretty well with it. They had show girls,

510
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: they had the whole nine yards.

511
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were the first one to have Vegas showgirls.

512
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: And I wasn't joking when I said movie stars. Clark

513
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: Gable was very famously stationed at El Rancho, Vegas when

514
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: Carol Lombard, his wife, died in a plane crash nearby,

515
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: I think on Table Mountain on the way to Las Vegas.

516
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: And he wasn't the only one. Like this was a

517
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: place where stars from La came. And as people from

518
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: people in Vegas started building places that like the cream

519
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: of the crop of Hollywood stars wanted to hang out,

520
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: it gave Vegas like the veneer of glamour that it

521
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: originally had. This is when it started the early forties.

522
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know things were booming throughout the forties

523
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: and then into the fifties is when things even kicked

524
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: into a higher gear, like Vegas are just ramping up

525
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: more and more through the decades. That's when the Desert

526
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: End was built, the El Dorado Club downtown, which would

527
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: become Beny Binyon's Horseshoe Club. I think it's now just Binyons. Actually,

528
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,959
Speaker 1: I think for a few years now it hasn't been

529
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: there at all, but it became Binions. It was famous

530
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: because the World Series of Poker was there every year.

531
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: In nineteen fifty five, the first high rise opened, which

532
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: was the Riviera. It was behind stories and get this,

533
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: they paid Liberachi fifty thousand dollars per week in nineteen

534
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: fifty five to play there.

535
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: In nineteen fifty five money.

536
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: That's six hundred and thirty one thousand dollars a week. Oh,

537
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: westake totally as is our tradition. Fifty eight Stardust opened

538
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: and we saw the debuts of a couple of gentlemen

539
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: who would be Vegas legends. Wayne Newton and Frank Sinatra

540
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: debuted there. And then also in the fifties is when

541
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: the first sort of boom and the wedding chapel business started.

542
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then I saw somewhere I cannot remember where

543
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: that no less than ten major casino resorts were built

544
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: in the fifties. That is an amazing building boom, Like

545
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: this is when Las Vegas became Vegas as we know it,

546
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: like it nostalgically, right. I also saw somewhere that I

547
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: think eleven were built and of those eleven, ten of

548
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: them were either financed by or outright owned by the mafia.

549
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: That was when the mafia really got its grip on

550
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: Las Vegas in the early fifties and throughout actually even

551
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: in the forties, the mid to late forties thanks to

552
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: a guy named Bugsy Seagull. But by the fifties, when

553
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: the fifties rolled around, like it was just it seemed

554
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: like it was reversible, the grip that the mob had

555
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: on Las Vegas.

556
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.

557
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: Uh.

558
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: And you said the words, Bugsy Siegel, and that feels

559
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: like a great place for a break, learn and stuff

560
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: with Joshua John stuff fu shine up.

561
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: Okay, So Chuck, I said, Bugsy Siegel, I'm actually talking

562
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: about one Benjamin Siegelbaum, who was born in nineteen oh six,

563
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: and by the time he reached his teenage years was

564
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 2: already running protection rackets on poor street push cart pedlars,

565
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 2: because you know, a protection racket means like, I'm going

566
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: to protect you from me if you don't give me,

567
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: if you give me money. If you don't, then I'm

568
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: going to come after you.

569
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: Right yeah.

570
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: This guy was doing this as a teenager. He became

571
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: friends with a guy named Meyer Lanski, and the two

572
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: of them together started bootlegging in during Prohibition, right.

573
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this was in New York. They eventually merged

574
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: with what was called the Syndicate, which was a nationwide

575
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: criminal enterprise, you know, it was the mob and Siegel

576
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: then formed a spinoff organization called Murder Inc. I totally

577
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: think we should do a whole episode on Murder Inc.

578
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: At some point. Sure, so we're not going to get

579
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: too into it, but Murder Inc. Was exactly like it sounds.

580
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: It was an organization that did contract killings. Apparently between

581
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: four hundred and one thousand contract killings took place at

582
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: the hand of Murder Inc. Including supposedly about thirty individuals

583
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: personally killed by Bugsy Siegull.

584
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you have a criminal gang called murder Inc. Yeah,

585
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: that's going to draw the attention of the authorities. And

586
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: that happened very much in New York, and all of

587
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 2: a sudden they tried to crack down on the Murder

588
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: Ink gang member. So Bugsy Siegel said, so long New York,

589
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: I'm heading out west, and he landed in Los Angeles.

590
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: He was staying at the mansion of his girlfriend, Virginia Hill,

591
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: who herself was a mafioso. I guess mafiosa. She was

592
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: from Alabama but had somehow fallen into the mob. She

593
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: was a mafiosa as well. She wasn't just like a mall.

594
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: She was a gangster herself.

595
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. And she was played by Annette Benning to her

596
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: Warren Beatty to her, Warren Baby her husband. And it's

597
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: a great movie.

598
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: I've never seen it.

599
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: Ooh, man, Bugsy was awesome. Really yeah, yeah, yeah, it

600
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: was really really good. I mean, Warren Beatty didn't make

601
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: a bad movie that he directed.

602
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: Oh he directed it, didn't he direct? dISHTAR uh uh?

603
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

604
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: Oh, Okay, I've never seen his star. I haven't either,

605
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: but I was alive at the time. O Ye, enough

606
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,959
Speaker 2: that I know it was just a punchline even still

607
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four.

608
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty sure he directed Bugsy, but I'll have

609
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: to check that at any rate. Really really good movie.

610
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So that's about those two, and really it's

611
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 2: about Bugsy Siegel, and really it's about Bugsy Siegel building

612
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: Las Vegas. That is true to an extent in that

613
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: he really was the one who brought the mob to Vegas,

614
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 2: and apparently it was through some sort of happenstance. He

615
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 2: was living out in Hollywood and he met a guy

616
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 2: named Billy Wilkerson who was a gambler, a hotelier who

617
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 2: was trying to build like a really class joint out

618
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 2: in Vegas. And he said, Bugsy, why don't you come

619
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: in on this. Let me borrow some money from you.

620
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: You can have a stake in this hotel we're gonna build.

621
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: And Bugsy said, as long as it's not one of

622
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: those s kicker, you know, old Western hayseed themed resorts,

623
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 2: I'm in. And she said, no, no, no, that's gonna be

624
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: a great place. I don't know what we're gonna call

625
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: it yet, and Bugsy said, well, let's call it the

626
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: Flamingo because that's my nickname for my girlfriend, Virginia Hill

627
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 2: because she has really long legs. So we're going to

628
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: call this place Flamingo is like, you know, a little

629
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: wink toward her. And Bugsy was suddenly in the casino

630
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: resort building business. And he got in even further when

631
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 2: Billy Wilkerson couldn't pay him back because Bugsy said, well,

632
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to kill you if you don't give me

633
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: this hotel. And that was the exit of Billy Wilkerson

634
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 2: and the real entree of Bugsy Siegel into Las Vegas,

635
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: which established the Mafia, the Syndicate, the mob as we

636
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: know it, into Vegas. And this was about the mid

637
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: nineteen forties.

638
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he really And by the way, Barry Levison directed,

639
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: So I was wrong on that, Okay, but it's still

640
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: really good. Barry Letts didn't direct many bad movies either.

641
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: Didn't he do Diner?

642
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? Great movie? Okay, you didn't like Diner?

643
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it. I was just I was legitimately

644
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 2: ask I wasn't throwing shaite on Diner.

645
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: No, no, no. But when you said okay, oh, I know that.

646
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: I could read between my own lines, but I didn't

647
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: mean to write anything.

648
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:25,959
Speaker 1: Then, Uh, well, that's a good quote. So he really

649
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: got involved in this casino, like the building, the design.

650
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: Like he wasn't just like all right, I'm gonna sort

651
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: of run this thing now and just let everyone do

652
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: their thing. He was involved in like the minutia of

653
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: the detail of the design of like picking out the

654
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: bedsheets and like you know, the artwork that hung in

655
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: the rooms. Like he was really really I think he

656
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: kind of found himself, Like he went to La to

657
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: try to be an actor. He was no good at that,

658
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: Like he always felt like wanted to be something more

659
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: than like a two bit mobster, which is what he was.

660
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 2: Well he no, he wasn't too big. He was like

661
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: the wet narcotics importer in the west on the West coast.

662
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I didn't mean too bit. I just meant

663
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: he didn't want to be looked at as the mobster.

664
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: That's why he tried to be an actor, gotcha, he tried.

665
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: He tried to be a hotel yer, right, hotel yer. Yeah,

666
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,479
Speaker 1: but you know, none of that stuff was working out,

667
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: including initially at least the Flamingo, because when they opened it,

668
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: it was not a big hit right out of the gate.

669
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: Much to the chagrin of the syndicate.

670
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: He lost three hundred thousand dollars in one week the

671
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: first week it was open, and it was such a

672
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: huge loss that he had to shut the place down

673
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: so he didn't lose any more money, and he had

674
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: to get back to kind of reconfiguring things. Apparently they

675
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: didn't have rooms ready when they opened, so all the

676
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: gamblers came and then took their money elsewhere. All of

677
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: those details that he had personally selected were really expensive.

678
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: The original price tag was a million dollars. It ballooned

679
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 2: up to past six million. So yeah, there's a very

680
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: widely held belief that Bugsy was in hot water with

681
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: the mafia partners including Meyer, Lanski and Lucky Luciano, who

682
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: were backing him and his venture into Las Vegas. The

683
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: thing is, he supposedly when he reopened out of the

684
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: Gate the Flamingo in nineteen forty seven, started to become profitable.

685
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: So I've seen people say like, no, he actually wasn't

686
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: in hot water with his mafia people. And the reason

687
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 2: why it matters is because six months after it reopened,

688
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: or a few months after it reopened in June of

689
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: nineteen forty seven, Bugsy Seagull was assassinated hit in his

690
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: own home in well, Virginia Hills home in Los Angeles.

691
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, hit through the window from behind, kind of sitting

692
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: on the couch. It's a great scene in the movie

693
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: His You know, the traditional thinking is that Lucky Luciano

694
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: and the syndicate was behind it, right Mayer Lansky, who

695
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: was his sort of oldest friend throughout this whole thing

696
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: because they were buddies back in New York in the

697
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: early days. I think just it was sort of seeing

698
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: the sad demise of his friend and what was going on.

699
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: Ben Kingsley is so so good as Mayor Lansky in

700
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: the movie. But not everyone believes it was a mob hit.

701
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: There's a guy named Bernie Sendler who was a emissary

702
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: for Lansky back in the day, and back then he

703
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: was on the record of saying like, I don't like

704
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: a lot of this deadn't add up as being a

705
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 1: mob hit. I think it was one of Virginia Hill's brothers,

706
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: one of her Marine Corps brothers, that was angry that

707
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: she was like wrapped up in all this stuff.

708
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, he makes the point. And this guy was literally

709
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 2: here at the time like he was working in Vegas

710
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: with Siegull and others at the time, so he knows

711
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 2: what he's talking about. He was saying that Siegel was

712
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 2: legit enough that you would have had to have get

713
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 2: gotten permi directly from Lucky Luciano, or the order would

714
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 2: have come directly from Lucky Luciano to kill Bugsy Seagull.

715
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 2: And then this guy's this guy's opinion, Maya Orlansky never

716
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 2: would have allowed that. He wouldn't have just stepped aside

717
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: and let his old friend be murdered hit and again

718
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: like he wasn't apparently in hock to the mob in

719
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: any way that he couldn't repay. So yeah, this guy,

720
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: this guy said it was one of Virginia Hill's brothers. Also,

721
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: he's got some pretty good points. One he said that

722
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: was not a mob hit. The mob doesn't use M

723
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 2: one carbines and shoot through an open window, Like they

724
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 2: take you on a car ride and the guy seated

725
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: behind you in the car shoot you in the head,

726
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: so they don't know, Yeah, that's how that's how the

727
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 2: mafia hit you. Right, So he's like it just didn't

728
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: add up to a mob hit. So that's a pretty

729
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 2: pretty interesting surprising thing. But if you think about it,

730
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 2: Bugsy was there for just a couple of years. But

731
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: the the the gains he made and the the ground

732
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: where he laid for the mafia is what led directly

733
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: to that huge boom in the control of the mafia

734
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: of Las Vegas that just erupted in the fifties.

735
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and then you know, into the sixties it

736
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: was firmly entrenched as like a mob hangout, obviously, a

737
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: place where you could gamble, where you could go and

738
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: get married in two seconds or divorced in two seconds,

739
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: where sex work was legal. I think in sixty three,

740
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: these guys Dick Taylor and Pat Howell wrote a book

741
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: called Las Vegas not a colon but a Comma rare

742
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: city of sin question mark. And that's where supposedly the

743
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: name sin City came around. Really kind of linked up

744
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: well with everything that was going on there at the time.

745
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 2: Great movie too, Sin City. Remember it was like based

746
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 2: on a graphic novel. It's got like Owen and.

747
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, man, it's so good. That's Sin City.

748
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: That was good. Yeah, like the black and white Yeah, yeah,

749
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: really good. And the other big thing that happened in

750
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: the early sixties was mccaren Airport opened up in nineteen

751
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: sixty two, which, all of a sudden, you know, that

752
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: Southwest Airlines flight could start happening, although I don't know

753
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: if it happened back then, so don't google that.

754
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it wasn't just people from La and you know,

755
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 2: Arizona coming to Las Vegas. Now, all of a sudden,

756
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: there was people around the world. And apparently by the

757
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: seventies the largest population of tourists in Las Vegas were Midwesterners.

758
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

759
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty funny. Oh as residents, no, no, no, as tourists

760
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: as visitors. Like the airport really really changed things. One

761
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: other really big thing that changed things in the sixties

762
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 2: for Vegas was Howard Hughes. So I said before it

763
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: looked like the Mob's grip on Las Vegas was irreversible,

764
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: and it may have been, and if Howard Hughes hadn't

765
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: have shown up. And he did a couple of things.

766
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: One he started buying casinos and hotels from the Mob directly. Yeah,

767
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: so for I think a little period in the sixties

768
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: maybe seventies, he was the single largest casino owner in

769
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 2: the in town. So he just basically took over from

770
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 2: the MOB by buying them out. And then also he

771
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: proposed that Las Vegas and Nevada the Gaming Commission changed

772
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 2: their rules about corporate ownership because before, if you were

773
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: a corporation and you wanted to own a casino, every

774
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: single shareholder had to pass a background check. You could

775
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: be talking about thousands of people. It was just untenable.

776
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: You couldn't do it. And he said, why don't you

777
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: just make it so that the key players, like the

778
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 2: real high up execs who are going to be running

779
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: the place, just do backgrounds on them, forget the shareholders.

780
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: And the Gaming Commission said, that's a that's a really

781
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: good idea. And now all of a sudden, the Mob

782
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 2: had competition from Wall Street and huge corporations that were

783
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: coming in and they ended up getting muscled out.

784
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that was that was it. That was

785
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: either the beginning of the beginning or the beginning of

786
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: the end, depending on which way you want to look

787
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: at it. Yeah, but once Wall Street corporations could kind

788
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: of stroll in there and just start buying up these

789
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: properties that you know, this is in the in the

790
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: sixties and seventies, so this is this is still like

791
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: a boom time for Vegas. It's a city that's seemingly

792
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: always expanding and under construction. Like I don't remember going

793
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: to Vegas. I started going there in the I guess

794
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: like nineteen ninety one or so was my first trip,

795
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: And every time I've been has just struck me as like,

796
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: are they ever going to stop developing and building in

797
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: this town? And probably not, because it continued all, you know,

798
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: all through them. They've had their lulls. I think there

799
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: was you know, some years here and there, within decades

800
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: that things weren't aren't as robust and where they were,

801
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: you know, where the gambling industry and the whole sin

802
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: industry sort of took a little bit of a hit,

803
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 1: but not that much.

804
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't even necessarily that that it took a hit.

805
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: It was that Vegas it just lost its glitz and glamour,

806
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 2: especially starting in the seventies and in through the eighties,

807
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 2: where it just became tacky. That's what everybody thought of

808
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: as a tacky. The entertainers who used to like draw

809
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 2: crowds internationally, they weren't there. The people who were performing

810
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: in Vegas, their careers were washed up, right, So like

811
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: that was great.

812
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, nope.

813
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 2: The food was terrible, like all you can eat prime

814
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: rib for like five dollars kind of stuff. This idea

815
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 2: of Vegas in the eighties. It was just decrepit and

816
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 2: a place you went like as a lark or if

817
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 2: you had like a serious gambling problem and liked five

818
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 2: dollars prime rib.

819
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah.

820
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: And in the same way that Howard Hughes kind of

821
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: came along and was like, I'm going to save this town,

822
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 2: Steve Wynn did the same thing at a time when

823
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: Vegas was viewed as super tacky and backs and just lame.

824
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: He invested hundreds of millions of dollars into the Mirage

825
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: and he opened it, gave thirty million dollars to Sigfried

826
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: and Roy and completely changed the face of Las Vegas,

827
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 2: completely changed the market who they were trying to attract.

828
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: They were suddenly attracting families, like it was okay to

829
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 2: bring your kids to Vegas now, like there was something

830
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: for everybody. And he completely saved Las Vegas.

831
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I think like a place like Caesar's

832
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: before that did a lot to sort of raise the

833
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: you know, the perception of Vegas is it's but it

834
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: wasn't like in the family way, No, in like.

835
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 2: The fantasy way though, like like that. They definitely started that,

836
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah.

837
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: I mean when they started building casinos with roller coasters

838
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: and playgrounds and more family friendly shows, because you know,

839
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: at one point Vegas like all those shows were like

840
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: topless basically, right, and then all of a sudden, if

841
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: you had family friendly stuff going on, it was it

842
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: was like, hey, you don't have to just you know,

843
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: the gambling addict in your family isn't the only one

844
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: that's going to want to come here. Now you can.

845
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: You can be that and drag your kids along and

846
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: they can go see a kid friendly show.

847
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like, definitely, bring the gambling addict in your family,

848
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: We want them there. But you guys can come too, right.

849
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it got a lot more expensive, you mean,

850
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: the old Vegas days, even when I first started going there,

851
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 1: you could get a pretty cheap room and a pretty

852
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: cheap meal. But that that all changed. Vegas is not

853
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: a cheap town, to know it anymore.

854
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: It changed thanks to Steeve whenn in that whole shift,

855
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 2: and now it kind of shifted again to this kind

856
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: of like ultra luxury destination and that's where we are

857
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: right now. Yeah, well, let's Las Vegas up to basically now.

858
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 2: I know we said we're going to go to late

859
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 2: eighties and nineties, but we took it even further. So

860
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: if you didn't like that, sorry, If you want to

861
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: know more about Las Vegas, start reading about it, go

862
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: visit it. Whatever you want to do. And since I

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Speaker 2: said whatever you want to do is time for listener may.

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Speaker 1: This is gasoline cleaning mystery resolved. We had a few

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Speaker 1: people write in about that. In the episode The Teleisian

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Speaker 1: Massacre from December twenty twenty, you discuss how the instigator

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Speaker 1: and murder at the scene of the crime was in

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Speaker 1: a state worker named Julian Carlton. While retrieving the gasoline

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Speaker 1: that caused part of the fire incident and the property,

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Speaker 1: he told his boss that he was getting the gasoline

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Speaker 1: to clean a rug. Why do I remember this tiny

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Speaker 1: detail because at the end of the episode, Josh says

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Speaker 1: he found Carlton's grave on the website Find a Grave,

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Speaker 1: and rather innocuously, a pop up bubble on the site,

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Speaker 1: prompting the viewer to write a moving memory, said what

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Speaker 1: is one thing you'll always remember about Julian Chuck answered

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Speaker 1: that question by saying he could really get the stain

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Speaker 1: out of a rug. And I found that joke absolutely hilarious.

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Speaker 1: Love the show, guys, can't wait for you to come

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Speaker 1: back to Cleveland. I'm the manager of the largest site

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Speaker 1: seeing ship and clean Lynn on Lake Erie and the

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Speaker 1: Cyoga River, The Good Time three and Chuck. I'm also

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Speaker 1: a graduate at the University of Akron go zips And

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Speaker 1: that is from Luke ucbo is how I'm gonna pronounce

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Speaker 1: that very long?

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Speaker 2: I got it right, Luke, Thanks a lot, Luke, eat

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Speaker 2: your heart out of Good Times one and two. If

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Speaker 2: you want to be like Luke and tell us how

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Speaker 2: much we cracked you up. We love hearing that kind

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Speaker 2: of thing. You can wrap it up, spank it on

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