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Speaker 1: On this episode of Sports Illustrated Weekly, the Winter Olympics

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Speaker 1: are over, but before Sports Illustrated senior writer Stephanie Epstein

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Speaker 1: left Beijing, she reported a rather amusing story. Stephanie spoke

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Speaker 1: to a whole host of Winter Olympians with one surprising

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Speaker 1: thing in common, how much they really hate being cold

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Speaker 1: and later. Emma Bocholari is a staff writer for Sports

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Speaker 1: Illustrated who covers Major League Baseball. She's also a fan

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Speaker 1: of the Sex and the City reboot and while MLB

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Speaker 1: is still mired in a lockout, the Show and Just

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Speaker 1: like That took Emma down an entertaining baseball rabbit hole

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Speaker 1: that prompted her to solve an unexpected mystery. But first.

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Speaker 1: Katie Nolan is a TV personality who just finished covering

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Speaker 1: the Olympics for NBC and Peacock. Katie joins me for

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Speaker 1: a wide ranging conversation that includes the Russian figure skating

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Speaker 1: dope and controversy, how we talk about athletes when they

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Speaker 1: struggle with mental health issues, how she recently came to

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Speaker 1: my rescue on Twitter, and what's next for her career.

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Speaker 1: It's February. I'm your host John Gonzalez from Sports Illustrated

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Speaker 1: and I heart radio. This is Sports Illustrated Weekly. She

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Speaker 1: was previously with Fox Sports and ESPN. She's a self

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Speaker 1: described TV lady, fresh off covering the Winter Olympics for

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Speaker 1: NBC and Peacock. Katie Nolan, Welcome to Sports Illustrated Weekly. Hi,

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Speaker 1: thank you for having me. Very excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: You did a lot of things for NBC and Peacock

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Speaker 1: for the Olympics, and you cut this really fun promo

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Speaker 1: ahead of the women's figure skating competition where you tweeted

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Speaker 1: I heard you can fail a drug test and still compete.

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Speaker 1: So I really thought this sport was for me, which

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Speaker 1: is saying Katie Nolan, But you actually went figure skating,

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Speaker 1: and I want people to go and check this out.

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Speaker 1: It's on your Twitter feed. But as a little tease,

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Speaker 1: how would you describe your performance? Um? Certainly, breathtaking, Um brave,

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Speaker 1: I would say, hard hitting, impactful, These are all good adjectives. Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I stink. And to pull the curtain back even further here,

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Speaker 1: to drop the fifth wall if there was one. Some

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Speaker 1: told my producer that I had played hockey until I

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Speaker 1: small preposition, but it is a big one in this case.

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Speaker 1: And so she came into it like, all right, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna teach her how to do like a lot. She

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Speaker 1: So she taught me like a bay be and look,

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Speaker 1: that's figure skating. You guys should tune in to watch

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Speaker 1: Don't try it just watch it. I laughed, not at

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Speaker 1: Like my wife took me one time. She used to

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Speaker 1: was excellent as a figure skater. She still is, but

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Speaker 1: Don't you do that? Yeah, you're on thin ice as

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Speaker 1: is what I mean, Like, do you have a big

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Speaker 1: following and you're let me tell you my philosophy. Let

429
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Speaker 1: me tell you where I'm at right now, and this

430
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 1: will change by next week. So it's useless. But all

431
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Speaker 1: I can tell you is where I'm at right now.

432
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 1: I came to a place over the pandemic where I

433
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 1: was like, just assume, just assume. And this isn't true,

434
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 1: but it helps my frame of mind. Assume everyone on

435
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 1: this website is trying to joke around with you the

436
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 1: way they would with their family. Even when they say

437
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 1: something mean, they're saying something to you. And I mean

438
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 1: this is discluding excluding the people that I just flat

439
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 1: out ignore anyone who says anything about like how I'm

440
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 1: not hot, or how I'm so hot, or how I

441
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 1: want they want to see pictures of my feet, or

442
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 1: how like my teeth are bad. Like those people, I'm

443
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 1: just like bored with them. I'm like your hack, none

444
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 1: of this is interesting. I scroll right past them. That's

445
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 1: a type of desensitized. I don't wish on anyone else,

446
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 1: but it is where I'm at. Those don't bother me

447
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: anymore because they can't touch me, because they're not why

448
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 1: I'm here. I'm not here so that some will find

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00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 1: me attractive. I'm here because I like to make people

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00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 1: laugh and teach them stuff. But when somebody says something mean,

451
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,919
Speaker 1: I just assume they're not as good at saying things

452
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,360
Speaker 1: as somebody who's been using this website for as long

453
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Speaker 1: as I have, So maybe they meant this nicely, and

454
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 1: so joke back with them and see what happens. And

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00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 1: when I joke back with them, they're usually like, damn,

456
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: you've got a good sense of humor. And then boom,

457
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 1: the whole thing is squashed. And then I can say,

458
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 1: here's why I didn't like the thing you said, and

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00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 1: they go, I could see it that way, and then

460
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 1: a little tiny bit of progress has been made and

461
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 1: I can pretend that some good was put into the world.

462
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,719
Speaker 1: You just gotta remember that people are people, and not

463
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Speaker 1: everyone's out there trying to hurt you. A lot of

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00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 1: people are they don't deserve your time. But sometimes people

465
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Speaker 1: are just clunky. Humans are clunky as hell. That's very true.

466
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Speaker 1: I still think that you're using Twitter in a way

467
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 1: that like almost nobody is using Twitter. You're fixing Twitter

468
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: in a way that nobody else could possibly. It helped me,

469
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: and if it doesn't help you, and my god, there

470
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: are people who have life experiences that I can't relate to.

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Speaker 1: There are people who are getting active harassment. This is

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Speaker 1: not I'm not talking to you. Please don't think that

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Speaker 1: I think somebody threatening to attack you you should take

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00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: as a joke. Those people don't deserve your time of day.

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00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: I think you should block whoever makes you uncomfortable. And

476
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: if they go, oh my god, she can't handle it.

477
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 1: She blocked me. They are the ones that are sensitive.

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00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: They're the ones that care that they've been blocked. You

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00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 1: just don't want to listen to them. That's self care.

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00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: I am probably going to continue to ignore them, but

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Speaker 1: I will call you in as needed, and just tag

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00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: me in if you're We've used up way too much

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00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: of your offic because it's your first it's my fault

484
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 1: I'm talking too much. But before we let you go,

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Speaker 1: what's next? Oh good question, A really good question. I

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Speaker 1: don't have an answer. Um, I've been pretty honest. I uh.

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00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 1: Things ended at ESPN, and I kind of felt it

488
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Speaker 1: was important for me to have some time off to

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Speaker 1: sort of recenter, because that the hamster wheel of sports

490
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 1: media is you get kind of caught in it and

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Speaker 1: it starts to feel like the only thing that matters,

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Speaker 1: and it was defining me as a person, and and

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Speaker 1: I kind of stepped back, and you know, had like

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Speaker 1: a minor mental breakdown that luckily I had a boyfriend

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00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: here to help me with. But after that, the clarity

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00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 1: was kind of like, what if I just live for

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00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: a little. I've been very, very lucky. I don't have

498
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: to worry about, like right now, making more money to

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00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: continue to live. And so much of life now is

500
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: that for so many people. So I know I'm lucky

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00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: and blessed and I'm grateful, and it feels selfish for

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00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: me to be like, well, then let me hustle and

503
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: make It's like, let me just chill for a little,

504
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: play video games, hang out with my dog, hang out

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Speaker 1: with my cool boyfriend, go on the road with him

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Speaker 1: every now and then, because I love what he does

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Speaker 1: and I love watching him do it. He's a stand

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00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 1: up comedian. He's the funniest man on earth. And then

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Speaker 1: there were a couple of days where I was like, damn,

510
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Speaker 1: your career's over. You fizzled out, you don't have it.

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Speaker 1: It's done, You're done. They were right, and then you know,

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Speaker 1: you kind of deal with that and try to, you know,

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Speaker 1: process it. Then the Olympics happened. I had so much

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Speaker 1: fun doing that job, and I'm so glad to hear that,

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00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: because I was having a absolute blast and now I

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Speaker 1: think it's given me a little bit of you know, Okay,

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00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: so you like doing that, so now what? And so

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00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: there's I've told my agents that they can't call me

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Speaker 1: for the rest of the week because I want to

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Speaker 1: chill out from the stress. For you guys don't understand,

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00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: the Olympics don't take the weekends off. Okay, they keep going,

522
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: and so you've got to keep working, and when you

523
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: haven't worked in a while, it's a shock to the system.

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Speaker 1: So uh, I told them not to contact me for

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Speaker 1: a week. But apparently there are things to discuss. I

526
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Speaker 1: don't know what they are. I don't know what's next.

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Speaker 1: I know I love doing this and I want to

528
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: keep doing it differently, just because like why do it

529
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: the same? So I don't know what's next. But I

530
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: think I finally know for sure that I'm not done.

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00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,719
Speaker 1: So something's next, and I'll let you know what I know.

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00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: It's okay not to know what's next. It's great and

533
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: sounds very healthy that you're taking some time for you

534
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: to enjoy the dog and the boyfriend and the video

535
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: games in the whole bit. But I wanted to say

536
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: that it was so awesome to see you back out there,

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00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: Like you have so many people who love watching you

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00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: and hearing you, and I'm one of them. Like going

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00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: back to Garbage Time, which I thought was a brilliant show,

540
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: and don't make me cry, No, seriously, because I did

541
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 1: a much worse version and dumber version of that in Philly.

542
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: And like we used to watch your show all the

543
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 1: time for ideas, and like just to see you back

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00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: out there having a good time and enjoying yourself, Like

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Speaker 1: I'm really glad to hear that you're not done and

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00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: we're excited to see what's next. That means the world

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Speaker 1: to me. Thank you so much. You can find her

548
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Speaker 1: at Katie Nolan on Twitter. She will come into your

549
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: mentions to defend you. She is indeed a very talented

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Speaker 1: TV lady, Katie Nolan. I cannot thank you enough. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for doing this. Thank you. After the Break, Sports

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Speaker 1: Illustrated senior writer Stephanie Epstein explains how the rest of

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Speaker 1: us have more in common with Winter Olympians than we thought.

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Speaker 1: All right, Stephanie, So we began our Olympics coverage with

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Speaker 1: you telling us about the incredible backstory for now gold

556
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Speaker 1: medal speed skater Aaron Jackson, and we end our Olympics

557
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: coverage was something different but definitely entertaining. As we record this,

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Speaker 1: you are still in Beijing for the Winter Games and

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Speaker 1: the Winter Games, Stephanie, are cold. I did the research

560
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: on this fact check true. Lots of ice and snow,

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00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: and while the Olympics are over, as people hear this,

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00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: for many of our listeners, it is still winter and

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00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: it is still cold out there, which is why what

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00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,239
Speaker 1: you found in talking to some Winter Olympians makes me

565
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: like these athletes even more. It is something so relatable

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Speaker 1: but so unexpected, Stephanie. Many of these Winter Olympians hate

567
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Speaker 1: being cold. They do. Actually, I started recording this story

568
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: because I hate being cold, and so I thought like,

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Speaker 1: there's got to be somebody who doesn't like this either.

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00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: It's such a great idea, and you open your story

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Speaker 1: on this one part, which is very fun, with a

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Speaker 1: scene from the Lose track and an American name and

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Speaker 1: this is almost too good to be true, Summer Britcher,

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Speaker 1: and Summer tells you that when she's at the top

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Speaker 1: of the course, she's thinking about the race, but she's

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Speaker 1: also thinking that in forty five seconds, I get to

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Speaker 1: be warm again. Yeah. Most of these athletes agree that

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Speaker 1: you can't really feel the cold while you're competing. It's

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Speaker 1: all the moments before and after, and so they all

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00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: kind of look forward to, in her case, that minute

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Speaker 1: and in a lot of other cases, you know, the

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Speaker 1: seven seconds or whatever when they can't really feel it. Yeah,

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00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: they're just like us. So summer isn't alone. You found

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Speaker 1: lots and lots of athletes who feel the same way.

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Speaker 1: Ashley called while it comes into play here she's an

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Speaker 1: aerial skier. But explain to the listeners how she says

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Speaker 1: she was tricked and I'm using air quotes here into

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00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: competing in a winter sport. Yeah, so when you first start,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, people have watched aerial skiing and thought,

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Speaker 1: how on earth do you even start doing that? As

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00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: I did. There's a water ramp and they do tricks

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00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: into a swimming pool. So we jump into a pool

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00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: and summertimes was warm and then and then theres a

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Speaker 1: couple of jumps on to know. I was like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I could do this. Yeah, you get

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Speaker 1: snow up your back and it's so cold. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I love the sports fool much. Be kind of you

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00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: to feel like the calls it's like a necessary people

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00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: of doing a snow sport, despite the fact that the

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00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: snow was mostly man made. It looks brutally cold and Beijing,

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00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: what kind of conditions are some of these athletes dealing with?

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Speaker 1: They are brutal. Alex Bruit was at Ariials the other

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Speaker 1: night and it was minus eleven fahrenheit. The which are

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Speaker 1: so strong that they have postponed practices and competitions sometimes

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00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: it's it's really cold out there. That sounds absolutely miserable.

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Speaker 1: As you pointed out in your piece, you likened it.

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Speaker 1: I loved this part. You likened it to walking your

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Speaker 1: dog in February and a cold location, and like the

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Speaker 1: only thing you're really thinking about is I hope the

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Speaker 1: dog hurries up so we can go inside. That resonates

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Speaker 1: with me. I have two dogs. I hated walking them

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Speaker 1: in the cold. But I would imagine for these athletes

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00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: like that has to affect performance, right, because the athletes

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00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: have to be mentally strong and prepared to begin with,

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00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: just so they can get to the physical component of

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Speaker 1: their sport. Yeah, that's what actually called well was saying

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Speaker 1: that be kind of dangerous and scary. Actually, if you're

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00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: too cold, you're trying to be high performance and you can't.

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Speaker 1: Like that's also frustrating. You're like, oh my gosh, I

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Speaker 1: used to do is really difficult tasks and I'm freezing, right,

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Speaker 1: That's that's annoying. It Also it makes it u scarier

622
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: because it can't because if you're cold, you're like you

623
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: just want to go like fundle up and go inside

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00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: and go into a hole, and that's not a good

625
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: mental space do hard trek and then you're like, oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, I can't really move the way I need

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Speaker 1: to be like safe and productive. Yeah, and actually called

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00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: Wall also brought up with you that the timing is

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Speaker 1: so important because these athletes don't just start cold and

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Speaker 1: then go into their sport. They have to warm up first.

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Speaker 1: But they don't want to sweat either, because then the

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00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: sweat freezes and makes them colder once they actually start

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Speaker 1: doing their competition. Yeah, it's uh, I just given it

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Speaker 1: a lot of thought, which I appreciate. Making scare your

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Speaker 1: socks don't get sweaty Okay, Actually, I think that's one

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Speaker 1: that's your whole body making sure you don't. It's sweaty

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00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: before you get outside. Okay, I don't put on my

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00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: layers until right about to go outside or else, like

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Speaker 1: you get get sweat wet and then definitely freeze, right.

640
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: So that's that's been my latest like trick is making

641
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: sure that sometimes I overdressed and that that will leave

642
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: me to actually get colder than if I'm underdressed. So

643
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: it's a lot of trial in her for her over

644
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: the years, but she says she thinks she's figured it out.

645
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: You spoke with an Australian figure skater named Brendan Carey.

646
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: Australia obviously not known for its ice and snow. He

647
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: moves to Moscow in twenty nineteen to work with a coach.

648
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: He hates the snow. This part is hilarious to tell

649
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: people what he does for eight minutes at a time

650
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: to feel sunlight. He goes tanning. Uh. He says he

651
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: doesn't care about his complexion. He's just desperate for some

652
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: UV race. I understand the UV rays. Maybe heaters and

653
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: blankets would be a little bit better, though, yeah, I'm

654
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 1: not sure. He seems it seems we're working for him,

655
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: though he's still living there. So you mentioned, you know,

656
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: the different things that actually had done. One of the

657
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: tricks to the Olympians who hate the winter and cold

658
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: used to feel warm. Yeah, lots of heated insults, lots

659
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: of bootwarmers, handwarmers. There are a lot of sort of

660
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: artificial options you can add. And then the other one

661
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: is just flailing their limbs wildly hoping the cameras got

662
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: on them, trying to warm up. You can sometimes see

663
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: the aerialists like flapping their hands around because they're just

664
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,239
Speaker 1: trying to get the blood moving. Yeah, you gotta keep

665
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: the blood flow and move those feet. Um. I love

666
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: all of this. It really resonates for me because as

667
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: somebody who grew up in Philadelphias but most of my

668
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: time on the East Coast, I hate being cold, and

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Speaker 1: I live in l A now, Stephanie, and it is

670
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: considerably better. So at the very top, you said you

671
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: hate being cold too, I'm interested in your feelings in

672
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: relationship with the cold. Where do you live in the

673
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: States and how do you navigate that? So I live

674
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: in New York City, which is not a great choice

675
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: if you don't like being cold, but Boston. I am

676
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: a Northeasterner, and I believe that the cold builds character

677
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: and that you this summer because you endure the winter.

678
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: And that is what I tell myself when it is

679
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: six degrees and I have to go outside. So reporters

680
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: and photographers have to go through all this too. It's

681
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: not just the athletes. You're there, you're dealing with all this.

682
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: Josh Rosenblatt, our colleague, wrote a newsletter about how the

683
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: photographers have to climb these incredibly steep, snowy, icy hills

684
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: to get to their shots and then they're skiing down.

685
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: I think all of you guys should have hazard pay

686
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: tell us what it's been like for you to be

687
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: there and cover this, and what it's been like for

688
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: some of the other reporters and photographers. Yeah, the photographers

689
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: have the hardest gig for sure. I mean truly, they

690
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: ski to and from work and if you are not

691
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: a good skier, then you should probably get a different job,

692
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: which is a crazy thing to say. And they're carrying

693
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: all their gear too, so that they definitely win that award.

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00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: We are enduring some of it. There's a lot more

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00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: outdoor time than I might have hoped. A lot of

696
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: the mixed off is where you talk to athletes are outdoors,

697
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: so you know, you can wait inside for part of

698
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: it in the media work room, but if you want

699
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: to do any reporting, like the reason we came to China,

700
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: you gotta go outside. So I came equipped with a

701
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: lot of handwarmers and toe warmers which you stick to

702
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: your socks. I'm a big fan of those. I got

703
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: some of those, uh those heating pads that you're supposed

704
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: to put on yourself if you have stomach cramps or

705
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: a back injury or something. We put those on our

706
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: kidneys and go stand outside. So all of that helps

707
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: a little bit. I work two hats, which I get

708
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: laughed at for, and it's totally worth it. Two hats

709
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: is the right number of hats. Uh. So I'm just

710
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: pretty pretty much decked out with winter gear. I feel

711
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: like the what is it the kid in a Christmas

712
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: story who can't put his arms down? That's me. Every

713
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: single day you're sewing your mittens to your coach just

714
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: to make sure that you have them. Um, you know

715
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: you're a consummate professional. I am absolutely in all of you.

716
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: You're doing incredible work over there under difficult conditions. How

717
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: has the rest of this been for you? I mean,

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00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: you're obviously dealing with a lot of work, you're in

719
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: a different time zone, you're not getting a lot of sleep,

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00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: You're do with the cold. What's the recipe? Like, I mean,

721
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: is there time to exercise? Is there any anything fun

722
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: that you've done? Or do you just stay in your

723
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: room when you're off in sleep and eat food served

724
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: by robots? Yeah? Unfortunately it's pretty limited. The most sort

725
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: of outdoor exercise I've gotten recently actually get tied into

726
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: the cold, was waiting at aerials to talk to athletes.

727
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: I was running circles around the parking lot to try

728
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: to stay warm. So we're pretty limited there, last one

729
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: for you, aside from all these things that are soiling

730
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: around that that make your job harder and colder. What

731
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: else was memorable about covering these games for you? Is

732
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: there a moment or an event or something that sticks

733
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: out where you go, oh, man, I'm gonna remember that forever.

734
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: I mean, the robot have been very cool. They are not,

735
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: i would say, any better than their human counterparts, which

736
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: is kind of refreshing. Actually, I would have expected by

737
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: now we would be on the verge of being overtaken

738
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: by them, so that I would still rather have a

739
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: human cheft and a human waiter, but if you see it,

740
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: it's very cool to see a robot sid drinks. Well,

741
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: you've done Yeoman's work. You have definitely earned a break

742
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: upon your return. I am cold just thinking about you

743
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: out there doing that reporting, But I will say this,

744
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: the interview warmed my heart. Stephanie Epstein has always thank

745
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: you for this, Thanks for having me. You can read

746
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: Stephanie's piece on SI dot com well linked to it

747
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: in our show notes After the Break. Sports Illustrated staff

748
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: writer Emma Bachelory cracks a case involving baseball and Sex

749
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: in the City. I'm a Bachelory is a staff writer

750
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: for Sports Illustrated who covers Major League Baseball. But with

751
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: MLB stolen a lockout, Emma found herself filling some of

752
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 1: her free time with a little TV, and what happens

753
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 1: next involves Emma solving a mystery of her own making.

754
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: A few weeks ago, I found myself watching one of

755
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: my favorite guilty pleasures as of late, the Sex in

756
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: the City reboot, And just like that, when something struck

757
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: my attention. There was baseball in the background of a scene,

758
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: a baseball game that sounded suspiciously real. The character Steve

759
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: was watching it when his wife Miranda came in to

760
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: tell him that she wanted a divorce. Ye loud letters

761
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: of the corners. Sanfrey looks in for the sign and

762
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: the pits, and that one is low ball too. He

763
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: missed that one as Baker had to pull it out

764
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: of the dirt. That sounds like real baseball. That level

765
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: of detail looking in for the sign blocking the ball

766
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: in the dirt, that doesn't sound like a fake game.

767
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: Those are specific, evocative details that made me think of baseball.

768
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: It sounded like a real game, even though I wasn't

769
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: sure if the names checked out with any box score.

770
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: I felt like I had to figure out where it

771
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 1: came from, especially in the middle of a lockout where

772
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: there were no real baseball games for me to watch. Instead,

773
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: I went down the rabbit hole in search of this

774
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: fake one. Gentry looks in for the side and the pitch,

775
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: and that one is low ball too. He missed that

776
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: one as Baker had to pull it out of the dirt.

777
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: I recognized the names. The picture was Gentry, which seemed

778
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: like it could be Gary Gentry from the nineteen sixties

779
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: and seventies Baker as a catcher. I wasn't sure about.

780
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: But Baker, that's so common. I went to Baseball Reference

781
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: and started looking for a game that could fit. Surely

782
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: Gentry had pitched to a Baker as a catcher at

783
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: least once. But I was wrong. Gentry had never pitched

784
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: to a Baker, and neither had any other Gentry in

785
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball history. So this wasn't an MLB game.

786
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: But I wasn't sure where else to look because it

787
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: sounded so clearly like it was one. I went through

788
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: some other options. I thought about minor league games or

789
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: college games, but I realized that's a fruitless search, so

790
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 1: I should do the next best thing, which is post

791
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: about this on Twitter and waiting until someone with an

792
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: eye MDB Pro subscription d ms me and says, here's

793
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 1: the contact information for one of the sound mixers. Which

794
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: did happen. I took that contact info. I reached out

795
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: and thought, this will be easy. Surely this person will

796
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: be able to tell me what exactly was going on here.

797
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: The sound mixer gets back to me. He confirms that

798
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: was fake audio that was made just for the show,

799
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: but the sound department didn't make it it had been

800
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: outsourced to something called the loop group, which is the

801
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: group that puts together all of the sound that loops

802
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: in the background of a show or a movie. Perfect.

803
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: I thought, I'll go talk to the loop group, but

804
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: the next step was asking him who that loop group was,

805
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: and he couldn't tell me, because, as it turns out,

806
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: the world of loop groups can be kind of secretive.

807
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: The first thing that came up when I googled them

808
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: was a headline that read the Mafia of the Acting

809
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: World Hollywood Secret loop groups from the Hollywood Reporter. Sometimes

810
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: they were put together by the network, sometimes by the

811
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: producers is sometimes by the sound department, and in this case,

812
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: the sound mixer couldn't tell me who the loop group

813
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: had been. Production was shut down, everyone was gone, and

814
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 1: he told me that the trail was dead. I kept asking,

815
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: sure that there had to be some answer here, but

816
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: then he sent me the one line email that should

817
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: have shut it all down. Sorry, Emma, It said, the

818
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: trail is officially dead. For a normal person that probably

819
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: would have been assigned to stop. For me, someone who

820
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: is now passionately invested in this, it was a sign

821
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 1: that I had to keep going until I found the answer.

822
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: I realized I had to go deeper into the world

823
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: of loop groups. I looked at some of the ones

824
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: that were less secretive about their work and tried to

825
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: figure out how they were usually credited. Sometimes they weren't

826
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: credited at all, but sometimes they were, And that was

827
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: my opening. In the credits of the Sex in the

828
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: City reboot, there had been one line of additional vocal casting.

829
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: That term sometimes showed up with loop groups, and it

830
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: seemed like it might work here. I went back to

831
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: the credits. I checked who was next to additional vocal casting,

832
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: and the names were right there, Dan Fink and Bruce Weinen.

833
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: Bruce had a LinkedIn profile and he had his email listed.

834
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: An hour later, I was on the phone with Bruce. Huh, Hello, Emma, Hi,

835
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: how are you. I'm good, thank you. He's been in

836
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: the business for more than thirty years. Dan and I

837
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: are actors and we bet doing Late Rob in Los Angeles,

838
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: the original l A Company, and just kind of had

839
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: this looping stuff as a fun, little side hustle. Over

840
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: the last seventy eight years. The looping pretty much takes

841
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: up all our time now, and this was just one

842
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: of the many fake baseball games he's done. He's been

843
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: asked to do hockey, football, horse racing, and more, including

844
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: soccer in Spanish, although that one he to outsource, and

845
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: his work goes way beyond fake sports. As part of

846
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: a loop group, he's responsible for all of the background

847
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: noise and a show or film, every single show involves this.

848
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: Any sound with background noise is going to be added

849
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: by a loop group. That means a scene in a

850
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: restaurant where you have dinners at another table, you have

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Speaker 1: the waitresses, you have all of that sound going on

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Speaker 1: in the background. That's all added in after the fact,

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Speaker 1: and it's added in by people like Bruce while he

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Speaker 1: does all of that background noise. One of his favorite

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Speaker 1: things to do your sports, and he enjoys baseball in particular.

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Speaker 1: I'm a big sports fans, so I do a lot

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Speaker 1: of our play by flight stuff. I listened to a

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Speaker 1: lot of it. I understand the cadence. I go online

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Speaker 1: and I'll find a game that fits what we're looking for.

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Speaker 1: I'll listen to it to get the flavor and then

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Speaker 1: write my own version of it. It was clear from

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Speaker 1: that little clip of Sex in the City that he

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Speaker 1: spoke the language the game had sounded like it could

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Speaker 1: be real. It wasn't us the information, but it was

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Speaker 1: the cadence, the rhythm he was speaking in. It sounded

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Speaker 1: like a real broadcast, and that's something he takes pride in.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was fascinating when I got through email,

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Speaker 1: and it's oh cool someone like you who obviously knows

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Speaker 1: sports very well. Our hope is that it sounds real

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Speaker 1: and authentic. Get the feedback that it did. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's a big compliment, and that's what we go for,

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Speaker 1: so that the people who do know and it does

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Speaker 1: catch their ear won't go what baseball has a long

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Speaker 1: relationship with being background noise. It's perfect for the radio.

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Speaker 1: It grew alongside the medium and it shines as something

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Speaker 1: that keeps time in the background. Here it was explicitly

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Speaker 1: background noise, but that shared language was common with Bruce

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Speaker 1: and with me and with Steve Insects in the city

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Speaker 1: asked to turn down the game. It's fun to put

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Speaker 1: those games together because it's like, oh, this is this

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Speaker 1: kind of game, mind life this And as I listened

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Speaker 1: to him talk about the process, I realized it was

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Speaker 1: a game that I would like to see. Two. You

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Speaker 1: can read Emma Bachelori's piece on SI dot com. We'll

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Speaker 1: link to it in our show notes. Sports Illustrator Weekly

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Speaker 1: is a production of Sports Illustrated and I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Illustrated Weekly was produced by Alex Kappelman, Cooper McKim and

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Speaker 1: Isaac Lee, who was also our sound engineer. Our senior

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Speaker 1: producer is Dan Bloom. Our executive producers are Scott Brody

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Speaker 1: and me John Gonzalez. Our theme song is by Nolan Schneider.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, and if you've stuck around this long,

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Speaker 1: we leave you with this. But anyway, back to whatever

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Speaker 1: we were talking to. Stop licking my feet. It's so weird. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: it's my boyfriend. He's he's here and just now I'm kidding,

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