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Speaker 1: I am Mary Katherine.

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Speaker 2: Ham, Carol markoozz how's going Mary Catherine?

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Speaker 1: It's all right. We got toddler dumb happening in this house.

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Speaker 1: So there are a lot of emotions. I really try

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Speaker 2: What if we just joined the screaming, Like, what if

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Speaker 2: we were like, you know too, I'm upset.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it happens. There has been an occasion, especially in

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Speaker 3: How did she like that?

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Speaker 1: You know? It wasn't that effective.

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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of screaming toddlers, the confirmation hearings have begun yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Pete Hegseth got his hearing and I'd say he flat.

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Speaker 4: Out killed it. Yeah, answered all the questions.

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Speaker 2: He was respectful but to the point, and they didn't

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Speaker 4: Make it through.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And this shows the virtue of being prepared for

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Speaker 2: Let me just add to that, they just thought they're

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually, can we go to the clip of Warren first,

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Speaker 5: You're quite sure that every general who serves should not

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Speaker 9: Point out the hypocrisy because the man's made a mistake

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Speaker 8: Give me a joke. It is so ridiculous that you.

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Speaker 9: Guys hold yourself as this higher standard and you forget

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Speaker 3: You know, I love that.

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Speaker 2: I love that he called out there hypocrisy. I'd love

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Speaker 3: I've seen that.

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Speaker 1: You know this I referred to on x as the

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Speaker 3: That was very much sheld know. We should have had

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Speaker 2: As for the other people at the hearings, Pam Bondi,

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Speaker 3: Who knows what he'll say.

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Speaker 1: Thus far, people are giving sort of normal answers to win.

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting because you know, again, for that long

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Speaker 1: Up next, we have a court victory for people who

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Speaker 1: Yes, so very good news in the courts for the moment.

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Speaker 2: And I think this legal challenge is following public opinion,

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Speaker 2: Normally other vibe shift happenings around the country. Starbucks is changing.

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Speaker 2: It's just hang out here all day, don't buy anything,

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Speaker 2: Right, it doesn't have to be a pendulum swing. You

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Speaker 2: They can't not lock up the stuff because shoplifting to

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Speaker 1: I'm not either. I went to buy what was it like,

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you know, this is all part of

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Speaker 1: not take free stuff? Right? Right?

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Speaker 2: My middle son is always like san Francisco is that's

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Speaker 2: still nine hundred dollars?

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Speaker 3: And are we going to San Francisco anytime soon?

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you steal eight hundred and ninety nine

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Speaker 2: dollars kid.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, it is. It is wild. But the

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Speaker 1: normal people in these places in San Francisco, in LA

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Speaker 1: and Chicago, and they do exist there. They do want

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Speaker 1: to have a normal experience in these businesses, and to

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Speaker 1: the greatest extent they can claw that back, the better

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Speaker 1: off they're going to be.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, no more using Starbucks bathrooms unless you buy

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Speaker 2: yourself a Venti latte or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's maybe step one.

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Speaker 1: Here we are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for joining us on normally. Normally airs Tuesdays

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Speaker 2: and Thursdays, and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Get in touch with us.

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Speaker 2: At Normallythepod at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening, and

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