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Speaker 1: It's a tough sports not for everybody. You gotta be

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Speaker 1: a little sick to love this game. And we got

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Speaker 1: some picos.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to NFL Daily, Saturday Sickos edition. And yes, NFL

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Speaker 2: Daily is a place where you have to be a

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Speaker 2: little sick to go through all the different men in

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Speaker 2: the league that might be losing their jobs in the

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Speaker 2: coming weeks. But we're not dunking on them. We're not

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Speaker 2: celebrating the fact that it does really pique the interest

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Speaker 2: I think of all the teams that are out of.

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Speaker 1: The mix in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal, I'm with Ali Connelly from the Read

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Speaker 2: Optional podcast and sub stack. Are you ready to go

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Speaker 2: through all of the coaching situations and then at the

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Speaker 2: end get a little more positive talk about the candidates

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Speaker 2: we might want to see get jobs in this cycle.

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Speaker 3: I'm very ready. Maybe a couple of guys I have

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Speaker 3: with Duncan, I think just a couple. It's a couple,

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Speaker 3: hero that's fine. Some intriguing potential openings.

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Speaker 2: Now now you're not technically like an employee of the NFL,

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Speaker 2: so you can do that. That's what you're bringing from

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Speaker 2: another continent that you're just feeling free and easy. Ihearts

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Speaker 2: taking care of Ali. So you can say whatever you

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Speaker 2: want about the Cleveland Browns. No, actually they have a

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Speaker 2: good head coach. So here's what I'm gonna do to

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Speaker 2: start the show. I'm just kinda break it up, and

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Speaker 2: you can disagree with how I broke it up, but basically,

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Speaker 2: go through all the situations that we think there's going

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Speaker 2: to be a change or could be a change. Maybe

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Speaker 2: come up with a number at the end of like

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Speaker 2: the rough over under of how many coaching changes there's

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Speaker 2: going to be, talk about some potential surprises, and then

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Speaker 2: at the end we'll go through some of the candidates

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Speaker 2: we think will be popular on this cycle. So I

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Speaker 2: went with four definites. We'll call this he gone or

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Speaker 2: you know they're already open. The Titans and the Giants,

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Speaker 2: they've already made a change at head coach. And the

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Speaker 2: other two I would put in this category would be

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Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns and the Las Vegas Raiders.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've been wrong before, but.

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Speaker 2: I just can't see a scenario where they bring back

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Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski. I believe they're going to do a full

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Speaker 2: reboot in Cleveland in terms of the front office and

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Speaker 1: Do you agree with that?

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Speaker 3: I agree with that, and I think it's time Stefensk.

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Speaker 3: I watched now and he just seems so fatigue and

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Speaker 3: I think is tough. And I think looking at the

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Speaker 3: options out. But I would really advise Kevin Stefenski, know

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Speaker 3: that he cares about my pen to go and do

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Speaker 3: the year off stuff. Go and do the toll, Go

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Speaker 3: and do the Mike mccot thing, Go and sit and

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Speaker 3: do the McAfee show for you whatever, Go and do

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Speaker 3: the Rabel thing. Get on someone's sideline for a year

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Speaker 3: and just take a year out to chill, get yourself

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Speaker 3: back in the next cycle. I think he's as ready

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Speaker 3: I think that benefited Mike Rabel.

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Speaker 2: I guess we'll never know what the Patriots would have

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Speaker 2: instead of Mayo. But it just makes logical sense. He's

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Speaker 2: a two time Coach of the Year winner. Here's the thing,

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Speaker 2: though we'll go through. There's not like slam dunk options

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Speaker 2: and you think, wow, this draft class is great, and

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Speaker 3: I agree with you, because even the positives would be okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The Raiders are the other team here, and I

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Speaker 2: The Raiders are the other team here. I just can't

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Speaker 2: the front office and give that front office a chance

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Speaker 2: to make another head coaching higher. It's just been one

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Speaker 1: Do you agree there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I didn't think any way I could get Modus

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Speaker 3: functional in Girodmeyo in New England. Somehow Pete one of

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Speaker 3: the though process throughout. So they go from Tom Brady,

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Speaker 3: who is running the organization. I get raiders funds all

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Speaker 3: the time. I'm telling me he's not running the organization.

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Speaker 3: You're overstating it. Pete Carroll at his press conference set

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Speaker 3: this is Tom Brady's chance to run a franchise. So

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Speaker 3: they go from Ben Jonson and Matthew Stafford as a

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Speaker 3: package deal to Pete Carroll training for Gino Smith. He

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Speaker 3: running the offensive line. The worst group and coaching job

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Speaker 1: So they do that.

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Speaker 3: They make Chip Kelly the highest paid coordinator in the

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Speaker 3: all that stuff, it'd be nice if you paid someone

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Speaker 3: I thought was a sensible idea, but then tell him

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Speaker 3: to run not his defense, to run Pete's defense from

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Speaker 3: like twelve years ago that's completely outdated. It is the

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Speaker 3: most dysfunctional situation I think you could imagine. And the

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Speaker 3: language continuity between the entire franchise will be to keep

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is the time a year that you

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Speaker 2: And we've had some of that in Vegas, but sometimes

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Speaker 2: it's convincing, and you just made the convincing case of

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Speaker 2: why Carol. Ultimately when you're looking at the draft picks too,

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Speaker 2: that like some of these guys were were Carrol's guys

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Speaker 2: that I'm okay blaming it on Carol for this year. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: nothing is one hundred percent one guy's fault, but I'm

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Speaker 3: It's not his fault, but he's clearly the power center

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Speaker 3: of the organization. The draft picks look like his draft

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Speaker 3: don't play. So if the front office was like, could

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Speaker 3: you please play the rookies anyway that we selected, he

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Speaker 3: being like, you know what, they're not very good and

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Speaker 3: you just can't have that kind of stuff. And he

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Speaker 3: was supposed to bring in organizational competence that was the point,

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Speaker 3: then handed off to someone else after a couple of seasons.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the biggest miss fives. I think we've

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Speaker 2: The one last job does not work in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I do think it's a it's a young man's game,

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Speaker 2: or at least like whatever you want to say when

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Speaker 2: you're in your fifties and sixties on your second job.

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Speaker 1: That that part of your career.

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Speaker 2: I will get agis it reminds me a lot of

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Speaker 2: the Mike Holmgren presidential era in Cleveland, not as a coach,

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Speaker 2: when he was the front office guy in Cleveland. It's

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Speaker 2: just like, yeah, Pete Carroll can buy a lot more

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Speaker 3: I will say, though, I'm a big fun of the

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Speaker 3: guys Stefenskiao be intrigued by, but I think they get

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Speaker 3: the second chance. And you've always gotta have one year out.

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Speaker 3: You got to go recharge, You go around, you prove

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Speaker 3: a new, youngest staff around you. I think doing it

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Speaker 2: Hell, how about John Fox's Broncos making it to the

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Speaker 2: reporting in Cleveland in Vegas hasn't been clear. It just

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Speaker 2: you've seen enough of these situations before to have a

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Speaker 2: mixed in Arizona, I've just seen enough of these where

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Speaker 2: when a team starts getting their teeth kicked in over

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Speaker 2: and over at the end of the year, it's year three,

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Speaker 2: which is supposed to be the big build year. Jonathan

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Speaker 2: Gannon's a defensive coach. I've liked a lot of the

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Speaker 2: an interesting team to watch that I think overachieved for

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Speaker 2: two years and then now underachieving this year. I just

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Speaker 2: little surprised if Gannon is there, barring some three game

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Speaker 2: always change things.

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Speaker 3: Even then, I think to the Rams game and for

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Speaker 3: the entire second half they are completely blown out and

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Speaker 3: the cameras just hold a month y. Austin full sat

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Speaker 3: next to Michael Bidwell for like two straight hours and

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Speaker 3: he's telling him, trust me, the roster is pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Go look at the draft class, Will Johnson, Walton Nolan

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Speaker 3: this isn't me, this is Jonathan, it's Nick and I

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Speaker 3: think it's pretty clear those guys themselves are like looking

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Speaker 3: just feels like everything's checked out and it's done.

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Speaker 1: I didn't.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure to be worth as kind of ripping

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Speaker 2: So Zach Taylor took a lot of questions at his

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Speaker 3: He could probably have the power to get this thing done.

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Speaker 3: could he just knock on the door and say, I

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Speaker 3: I'm unhappy playing the sport. If I had someone new

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Speaker 2: The Jets are the other team. I just threw in

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Speaker 1: I mean, their linebackers have been bad. I'll, i'll, I'll

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Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn has talked all year about the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: one Lions their first season there about how towards the

436
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Speaker 2: end of the season. Yes, they started out with a

437
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Speaker 2: horrible record with Jared Goffee lost his first seven games,

438
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Speaker 2: but by the end of the season they were playing hard.

439
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Speaker 1: You could see the vision.

440
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Speaker 2: It was resulting in some wins, but you could just

441
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Speaker 2: more see it on the field, and I thought, okay,

442
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Speaker 2: that Falcons, when maybe this is the start of something.

443
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Speaker 2: And yeah, in the two weeks since they've they've gotten

444
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Speaker 2: absolutely destroyed and the defense has been a total disaster.

445
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Speaker 3: It's the thing though, that that selling point of the

446
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Speaker 3: Lions includes this idea that Dan Campbelly took play calling

447
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Speaker 3: to Anthony Lenny took it for himself that he got

448
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,399
Speaker 3: Ben Jonson. So is the Steve Volk's a sacrificial lem

449
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,200
Speaker 3: to that because that happened way in the end. And

450
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Speaker 3: Don Campbell's had a very clear vision fall when we

451
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Speaker 3: are good, when we're playing in a title game, this

452
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Speaker 3: is what the team will look like. And this isn't acceptable.

453
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Speaker 3: It does not look like that right now. I don't

454
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Speaker 3: get that vibe by firing GluN that he understands today

455
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Speaker 3: what a Jets team under our and Glenn would look

456
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Speaker 3: like in the AFC title game, and like we're racing

457
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Speaker 3: towards that vision in the final four weeks. You'll kind

458
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Speaker 3: of see the small embers of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's also a team who I wouldn't you know?

460
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Speaker 2: It's I rarely think the NFL teams are tanking because

461
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,679
Speaker 2: obviously the players on the field are playing for various reasons.

462
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Speaker 2: Some of them are not giving great efforts, as you

463
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Speaker 2: point out, but other others are and are on a

464
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Speaker 2: you know, I think they're trying to win when they're

465
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Speaker 2: out there, but they are playing Brady Cook this week.

466
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Speaker 2: I should have noted on our preview show in a

467
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Speaker 2: week where it does appear that Justin Field and or

468
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Speaker 2: Tyrod Taylor might be available. So that's about as close

469
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Speaker 2: to tanking as you really see.

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Speaker 3: It is that and continue to play. Quincy Williams is like,

471
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Speaker 3: oh boys, we're out of this thing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, why don't we take a quick break just because

473
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Speaker 2: I think this is a good spot for it. So

474
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Speaker 2: we've gone over eight situations. We're leaning that there'll be

475
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Speaker 2: about six gone. But Bengals and Jets are are a

476
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Speaker 2: coupled to watch. I'm most fascinated in this cycle about

477
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 2: the potential surprises because we could get some big names

478
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Speaker 2: available based on how the end of the season goes.

479
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Speaker 2: We'll talk a little bit about the Ravens, Colts, and

480
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Speaker 2: Bills after the weak back on NFL Daily. If you're

481
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Speaker 2: listening to this, it's probably Saturday. We got Saturday games.

482
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Speaker 2: Maybe it's Sunday and they've already happened. We've got college

483
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Speaker 2: football playoff games. I'm wearing my RMFW two lane sweatshirt,

484
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Speaker 2: if you know. You know, So let's hope that it's

485
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Speaker 2: going well in the alternate universe that you're listening to

486
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Speaker 2: this Let's talk about what could be the most interesting

487
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 2: part of this coaching cycle, and that's the teams with

488
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Speaker 2: big name coaches where the last handful of weeks of

489
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 2: the season could change things and maybe someone big shakes loose.

490
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Speaker 2: And I'll start with the Colts, who I've asked around

491
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Speaker 2: a little bit about, and I think there's a bigger

492
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 2: chance that Shane Ssyken does not keep his job. Then

493
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,959
Speaker 2: the public would assume because a he's coached pretty well.

494
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Speaker 2: I think considering their situation, you can see it. You

495
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 2: saw the vision for it. Obviously with Daniel Jones. Everyone

496
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 2: wants a good play caller. And then b you can't

497
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Speaker 2: really blame this collapse on him when when all the

498
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 2: players that were making it happen suddenly get hurt on defense,

499
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 2: on offense, obviously what was happening. And so logically you're like, oh, yeah,

500
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Speaker 2: you would keep Shane stykeen and who knows, maybe they

501
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 2: will win some games with Philip Rivers, but assuming they

502
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Speaker 2: don't make the playoffs, you would think he'd be safe.

503
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Speaker 2: But I've talked to people and they basically view that

504
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 2: as new ownership, Like, yeah, it's Jim Mersey's daughter, but

505
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 2: she's gonna want her own people in there and put

506
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Speaker 2: an imprint on the organization. On top of that, Chris

507
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Speaker 2: Ballard's been there for a decade and this was always

508
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Speaker 2: a win or else year. And even if about really

509
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 2: bad luck is one of the reasons, if not the

510
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Speaker 2: biggest reason they don't make the playoffs, that that there

511
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Speaker 2: still would be a real chance that if they go

512
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Speaker 2: from seven to one to eight and nine, she's not

513
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Speaker 2: gonna care about why, and that she might be looking

514
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Speaker 2: for a big fish or just to make a change.

515
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Speaker 1: Do you think that would be the right move.

516
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Speaker 3: I don't think it would be the right move. I

517
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 3: agree with you, though. I've spoken to people on the

518
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 3: cult side, on the coaching side, and there's real fifth

519
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 3: that they think this is it and it's a rap.

520
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 3: Really just don't normally expect from guys who were in

521
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Speaker 3: the hunt for Coach of the Year where they all

522
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Speaker 3: get little, you know, statues from the head coach for

523
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 3: saying we all did a great job. That's where they

524
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Speaker 3: thought this was ending up by the time they got

525
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Speaker 3: to the Christmas party. That is not how it's feeling

526
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,239
Speaker 3: there right now. And it's a real shame because how

527
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Speaker 3: could you have done any better than they did to

528
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 3: open the season putting up historic stuff on offense, which

529
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Speaker 3: is his main task. And I get what you're saying

530
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Speaker 3: about the new ownership, and I agree with that. I mean,

531
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Speaker 3: making the trade that it for Sauce God was a

532
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 3: classic new owner move. Let's go all in. Let's not

533
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Speaker 3: accept that our quarterbacks, Daniel Jones, Let's compromise the future

534
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Speaker 3: for the now because we believe for a championship can

535
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Speaker 3: and the one we're probably not. So I think that

536
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 3: that kind of eraticism is to be expected when you

537
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 3: get a new owe and so it wouldn't surprise me

538
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Speaker 3: the Slights if they decide to move on.

539
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Speaker 2: Look, Carly Ursa Gordon has impressed a lot of people

540
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Speaker 2: with how she's operated, and if she was, you know,

541
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Speaker 2: making a surprising decision, that would be in keeping with

542
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Speaker 2: her father's legacy.

543
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Speaker 3: Uh.

544
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Speaker 2: Certainly at the beginning of his career with in Indianapolis,

545
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 2: which was more of a disaster, and he's he's talked

546
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Speaker 2: about how substance abuse affected that, and that's not what

547
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Speaker 2: we're talking about. We're talking about someone who, yeah, just

548
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Speaker 2: might have her own ideas of how she wants the

549
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Speaker 2: organization to be running.

550
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Speaker 1: It's ultimately up to her.

551
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Speaker 3: The distinction here from the typical New Ownes syndrome like

552
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Speaker 3: when the Walton's brought the Broncos and it's like, go

553
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Speaker 3: and get us Russell Wilson. We're gonna go trade draft

554
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Speaker 3: picks for the famous head coach robn do like a

555
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 3: coaching search of the you own cool candidates. Is she

556
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 3: has a football life. She's been working the football department

557
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 3: since she was like a teenager. That is a bit

558
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 3: different when you've lived through it, being through so many

559
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 3: different regimes, anyway, she will have a good sense of

560
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 3: what looks like it's working, well, what isn't. I think

561
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 3: it's pretty hard to pin the current situation on the

562
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Speaker 3: regime that's there, unless you're just saying that we looked

563
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 3: into Daniel Jones in a sense that was never sustainable.

564
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Speaker 3: We're only in that situation because of Chris Ballard, and

565
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Speaker 3: then it would be hard to meet to say, well,

566
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 3: I'm gonna blame sheen Stike. And also, but as always,

567
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 3: it's hard to remove the coach. Sorry, keep the coach

568
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 3: and remove the GM.

569
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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe there's interpersonal dynamics you don't know about. You

570
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: don't know like who's friends with who inside the building,

571
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 2: how all the relationships are, and so there could be

572
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Speaker 2: more to it. But just from the outside looking in,

573
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Speaker 2: even if I'm blah on Ballard over the years, right now,

574
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Speaker 2: they have a lot of pieces where continuity seems to

575
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: make a lot of sense. And I include Anna Rumo

576
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Speaker 2: in that, I include a lot of that offensive line

577
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Speaker 2: that Ballard built in that, and that it makes sense

578
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 2: with Stich and they got to figure out quarterback. But

579
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: it to me, it seems like holding pat and giving

580
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 2: this group one more year at least would be the

581
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: way to go. The Ravens and Steelers, let's kind of

582
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: blend them together. I do think that there's like a

583
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 2: greater chance that one of these two head coaches are

584
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: not back next year than probably conventional wisdom has it.

585
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 2: The more stuff that came out about Tomlin, the more

586
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: I thought, maybe Mike Tomlin doesn't want to be there.

587
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Speaker 1: That's That's basically was my read on it.

588
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: Whether he was kind of doing the old Parcels and

589
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 2: Sean Payton playbook where they had a job and they

590
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 2: had years left on their contract, but they were clearly

591
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 2: making obvious to the rest of the NFL heye, does

592
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 2: anyone want to come get me? That's just my read

593
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 2: without asking around about that. When it comes to Tomlin,

594
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 2: what do you think about the Steelers, Let's start there.

595
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I feel like I'm a broken breck

596
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 3: on this. When the reason a guy keeps his job

597
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 3: is the alls I have a here is how quick

598
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 3: someone else would hire him. It's no longer a defense

599
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 3: of the job he has in the place he currently is,

600
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 3: and it is just every year like clockwork. And we

601
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: had it this with a bit of a lucy use

602
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: report that we're going to get the chef to up day,

603
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 3: that a team is so willing to go and get

604
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin. And then he signs a contract extension this

605
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: year a little bit different with the oh there's an

606
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 3: option and so he's safe for next year, but the

607
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 3: option for the following year. What that makes me think

608
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 3: he would be potentially available and would sign off on

609
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 3: a trade to somewhere like the Giants, somewhere he respects,

610
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 3: somewhere he thinks he could turn the thing around pretty

611
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 3: quickly and kind of immediately move into just a better

612
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 3: situation for the medium to that he's constructed himself where

613
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 3: he currently is, and.

614
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Speaker 1: I wonder where the Steelers are at in this.

615
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 2: It seems like they would rather just well, let's just

616
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: keep keeping him and even if there's shortcomings. They must

617
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: see these reports out there. They're obviously more in tune

618
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: with it than we are. And wonder if their coach

619
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: has a wandering eye. And this is where you know

620
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 2: how these seasons end mean everything. Unfortunately, I think that's

621
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: short sighted to base it all on the last few

622
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: games of the season when you have a track record

623
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: of like what he is great at as a coach,

624
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 2: and I think he could be someone that is better

625
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 2: in another spot, but just needs he needs a refresh.

626
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: Maybe the Steelers need a refresh.

627
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 2: They finish at Detroit, at Cleveland, and then home for Baltimore.

628
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 2: There's a pretty realistic scenario where they've clinched the division

629
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Speaker 2: before even playing Baltimore. If the Ravens can't pull off

630
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 2: wins here and so if the Steelers that have a

631
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: home playoff game, and it's just hard for me to

632
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 2: imagine that thing changing. If the Ravens don't make the playoffs,

633
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 2: I think Harball's out. That's just that is just a

634
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: total gut thought. It just feels like time. I personally

635
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: think he probably should be out if they don't make

636
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: the playoffs, And in general, it just feels like time.

637
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean he doesn't have a million strengths as a

638
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: as a head coach and that he had a great run,

639
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: but all runs have to end sometime. And I would

640
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: think about, if I'm the owner there in the front office,

641
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: do we want John Harbad being the head coach of

642
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson his entire career.

643
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: I kind of want to see something else.

644
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: I just would you're in the camp of Mike mcdondall right,

645
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 3: you just want to see Lamar with mcdoniel.

646
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: I think, I mean that would be fun.

647
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: That's I mean, you could suggest out of our other options,

648
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: who else would be fun there? Like would Kevin Stefanski

649
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: be fun there? I do think that's an organization where

650
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: maybe the head coach is it's it's not like Pete

651
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Speaker 2: Carroll and Seattle or anything. It's part of a larger

652
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: operation and you slide ahead coach and Brian Billock to me,

653
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: was not like leading that organization. And Harbaugh's been great

654
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: at what he does, but sometimes it's the coordinators and

655
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 2: it's everything else. It's a whole system. So let's let's

656
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: just plug someone else in the system. We're not taking

657
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Speaker 2: Lamar out, so let's let's plug that spot differently.

658
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Speaker 3: I do imagine if they did it, it would be

659
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Speaker 3: so within the family. I imagine that's why Jesse Mint

660
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Speaker 3: would have his eye lays it on. He could go

661
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Speaker 3: and do that.

662
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Speaker 1: I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: I think it's time. I think in both organizations is

664
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: a real sense fatigue. I think particularly the Stealers have

665
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 3: run out of ideas, but with the Ravens too, it

666
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 3: feels like they're out of ideas and you could find

667
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 3: a new voice that's within the family, which is pretty

668
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: unusual for a team to get, and a team that

669
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Speaker 3: cares about that stuff. And so I just think if

670
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Speaker 3: Jesse Mint is available and he's going to be a

671
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 3: head coach for fifteen years in the league, I'd want

672
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Speaker 3: to be on that train early rather than hang around

673
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 3: and go down the end of the cliff with Harbor

674
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 3: here where we should be better than we are and

675
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Speaker 3: we watch Jesse minta wander off somewhere else and have.

676
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Speaker 1: A great career.

677
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Speaker 2: Now, it would be really interesting if it was mintor

678
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: head coach and the like kept Todd Munkin, because to me,

679
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: I'm mostly thinking about, all right, who's going to maximize

680
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson? Where are you at with the Todd Munkin experience,

681
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: by the way.

682
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Speaker 3: Not as impressive this year as in previous years. And

683
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 3: I think about this with all coaches. I think people

684
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 3: have a tendencies to say they are good they are bad.

685
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: I think people have good seasons, bad seasons. People get tired,

686
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: they run out of ideas, the cycle of the league

687
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: and kind of ebb and flow in the way your

688
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 3: philosophic nd of ovlays with the meta trends of the league.

689
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 3: Someone like Vance Josep I talk about all the time

690
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 3: I've been banging the drum for him to get a

691
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 3: head job for like four seasons. I think it's gonna

692
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 3: cycle lot of him being as useful as he is

693
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 3: right now, and then you're going to hire him the

694
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: tail end of the cycle where his defense was a

695
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: real value add to have him running your team. And

696
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: I feel like that with Munkin, where they've run a

697
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 3: little bit of out of ideas. Obviously compromised by the

698
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: offensive line Lamar's injury, He's not moved the same way,

699
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: but it feels a little more stale compared to the

700
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 3: previous few seasons.

701
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: I'm informed here too by when they did fire Brian Billick,

702
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: and people were surprised.

703
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: I was a super Bowl champion, who wasn't you know?

704
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: The team wasn't a disaster. They had a down year.

705
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: Obviously, and I believed all the reports about how close

706
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,479
Speaker 2: John Harbaugh was to losing his job before Lamar Jackson

707
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: essentially he saved it, and John Harbad knew from the

708
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: minute Lamar started playing like that this is this is

709
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: my guy. And he tried to support him, and he

710
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: supported him publicly. But you just feel like that this organization,

711
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: I think they've seen it and it's just been diminishedinguit

712
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: turns now feels like the time then again, they could

713
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: they they could win these games. They could they could

714
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: win a couple of playoff games, and that would that

715
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: would shut me up.

716
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Speaker 1: I'd be a little surprised if that happened.

717
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: And I think it's triggy Gus for the Steelers. I

718
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 3: don't see a clear option that you would say we

719
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 3: feel comfortable as if not. An upgrade is pretty similar

720
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: and they've not done a coaching search since when like

721
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: the twenties, like When's Lesson did an actual coaching search

722
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 3: for a candidate, Whereas with the Ravens there is that

723
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: kind of perfect middle ground of guy who seems me

724
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: peeking at the right time, is ready for that coaching gig.

725
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 3: He knows us when the sounds all language. As you said,

726
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 3: we kind of plug a guy into the building rather

727
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 3: than come and run in, you know, overhaul the whole building.

728
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 3: So I think the timing just makes sense for the Ravens,

729
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 3: get Lamar and you Voice, get a younger, more exciting,

730
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: more innovative stuff. I think that would make sense for them.

731
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: I'd be very surprised if former Eagles co worker Sean

732
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: McDermott or Andy Reid are not back with their team,

733
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: But I just thought i'd throw throw them out.

734
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: There's a little red meat there. Just you never know.

735
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: In any Reid's case, it would just be for him

736
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: to make a decision that everyone that covers the team

737
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: the most closely says it's just not happening. And he's

738
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: signed an extin through twenty nine. You just never know

739
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: at his age, if he would decide to step down.

740
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: That's very unlikely. McDermott's a little different. They're playing well

741
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: right now, it's very easy to imagine them winning playoff games,

742
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: maybe even making the super Bowl, and making this conversation move,

743
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: but in a different world where let's say they finish

744
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: twelve and five or eleven and six and they lose

745
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: in the first round.

746
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts about the Bills situation?

747
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I was more on the McDermott should

748
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: leave train last offseason, where I thought you could maybe

749
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 3: go and get one of the super innovative offensive coach

750
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 3: and just pet up with Alan. Could you go and

751
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: be the bench If that job was available, every coach

752
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 3: in the lane would be lining up to go take it.

753
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: You could have brought Ben Johnson in. I think with

754
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 3: the candidate pool this year, I'd be more inclined to

755
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 3: just give it one more season. I think mcdermot's I

756
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 3: had just done a very impressive coaching job. On game days,

757
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 3: the game plans are being a bit of a whiff

758
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 3: over time, but I think that personnel is pretty poor

759
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 3: and it's grossly overstated, often because of McDermott and because

760
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: of Josh Allen, and it's more of a talent evaluation

761
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 3: issue than it is a game day coach issue. He

762
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: may take the fall if they fall shot in the playoffs,

763
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: but I think he's coached pretty well himself on game

764
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 3: days this year and deserves another show.

765
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: I agree, I would lean pretty heavily towards keeping him.

766
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 3: Trying to think, I guess it's the history of the

767
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 3: league is that guys don't stay together this long and

768
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 3: than win that first one. It's just that simple. And

769
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 3: it's the same with Harbor and Lamar Jackson. You just

770
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 3: don't see it where I coach quotes by combination go six, seven,

771
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 3: eight years and finally breakthrough. And so if you're looking

772
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 3: at history of league now Josh Allen is different, maybe

773
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 3: you could do it. Maybe does break through this year.

774
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 3: That would certainly be in my mind if I was

775
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 3: running the team, that a new voice could could be impactful.

776
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good call in terms of like the

777
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: QB conversation, I mean the QB quarterback combination that it

778
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: tends to happen earlier. But he's a tricky one McDermott

779
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: because I'm trying to think of the perfect quarterback cup.

780
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: Maybe it's Jared Goff like just in terms of where

781
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 2: he is in the pecking order like obviously there are

782
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 2: coaches that are out of level. Sean McDermott's I don't

783
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: think ever gonna get to as in terms of being

784
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: a complete difference making head coach. But yeah, like go

785
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: find a better quarterback than Jared Goff, It's not going

786
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: to be that easy for you to do.

787
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 3: So.

788
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if like McDermott's that high, and coaches

789
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: I think are ultimately a little easier to fine than quarterbacks.

790
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: But there's a big risk if you decide to move

791
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: on that it could it could certainly go worse on the.

792
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 3: Read thing quickly is that I find that fascinating because

793
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 3: this is a dynasty on like any other where they've

794
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 3: experienced no brain dream. The only guy to leave is

795
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: Eric b Enemy, and that was partly a mutual decision,

796
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: right to go and chase the next Roe of the job.

797
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 3: Lot of we've not had before where they have had

798
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 3: in combination, the greatest offensive designer of his lifetime, the

799
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 3: greatest defensive coordinator of his generation, the best offensive line

800
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,479
Speaker 3: coach of his generation, and maybe the best special teams

801
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 3: coach of his generation altogether at once all the way through,

802
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 3: they look so out of ideas this season. And I

803
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 3: feel like if Reid doesn't go, I'll be very much

804
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 3: open to and I would hope someone like Patch one

805
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 3: will go and say we need new young fresh faces.

806
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 3: Usually that self manages itself because everyone leaves, everyone left Saban,

807
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 3: everyone left Belichick. You got to go find new people.

808
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 3: They've almost put themselves into this book. It where it's

809
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: the same guys all the time, the same voices. So

810
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: if Reid doesn't go, I do think they've got to

811
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 3: say Matt Nage, you're out. Someone else that is kind

812
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 3: of shocking, You're out. Maybe Steve Spagnola takes a new job.

813
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 3: But particularly on offense, I think they desperately need new

814
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 3: young voices.

815
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 2: It's a great and weird point about their continuity, which

816
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: has been such a strength for them, and like they're

817
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: not going to change their offensive line coach.

818
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: But I think you're right that some new fresh voices

819
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: would be great.

820
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: And you think about all the other teams that are

821
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: been less successful, the Rams certainly basically anyone in that

822
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: coaching tree, but the Ravens too. Like the Ravens have

823
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: been cycling through coordinators forever, especially on defense, because they

824
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 2: get better jobs and that just hasn't happened.

825
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: All right, Spagnola is one of the rechreds. Let's go

826
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: through it. You helped divide the list up of.

827
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: Potential candidates into different categor so we'll start with the

828
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: retreads and I'll throw Jim Schwartz in there too, Although

829
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: to me he'd be a long shot. I guess to

830
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: get another head coaching job, Spags would be interesting. I

831
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 2: do think there could be an appetite for him getting

832
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: some interviews, and the Giants specifically would would be an

833
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: interesting fit for him. I've listened to Chris Long on

834
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 2: his podcast in the past saying, like, man, it wasn't

835
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: Spag's fault in Saint Louis. No one was gonna win

836
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 2: in that situation. Like we feel bad that, Like Spags

837
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 2: is such a good coach that we let him down

838
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 2: and there is a possibility he could be better the

839
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: second time around. But we have McCarthy, Robert Sala I

840
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: think could be a guy who gets interest Brian Flores.

841
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: If if organizations can can look past the you know,

842
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 2: lawsuit between Flores and the league vance Joseph you already

843
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 2: touched on Ballichick, I guess we could throw in there Stefanski.

844
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: Like a lot of names, who who kind of stands out?

845
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: Who do you want to start with there?

846
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 3: The one that stands out to me, I don't know

847
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 3: if you've read him up there is Mike McCarthy. I

848
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: think there's not a huge distinction between the resumes of

849
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy and Sean Payton, And yet Sean Payton was

850
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 3: heralded because he's friends with everyone in the media, is

851
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 3: being like the guy you gotta go trade draft picks for.

852
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy's just available now. The third go round coach

853
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 3: is a slightly different than the second go round coach,

854
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 3: and I do accept that, But putting him in a

855
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: place like Tennessee, where it's just a complete disaster behind

856
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 3: the scenes, there is not a level of accountability, a

857
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 3: level of competence, I think him being a kind of

858
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 3: bridge guy for young quarterback would make a lot of sense,

859
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 3: whether it's there where it's the Giants, somewhere like that,

860
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 3: where it's like, let's just stabilize, be normal, be ordinary

861
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 3: for two seasons, and then when we want to go

862
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: and shoot for the moon, we can thank Mike for

863
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 3: laying the foundations and go find someone else.

864
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: Not too different from really what happened in Dallas, although

865
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 2: they did win a lot of games. Yeah, third time around,

866
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: I'm a little surprised. I appreciate what you're saying. I

867
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: feel like, if Ali's actually running a team, he gives

868
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: McCarthy an interview, he leaks it out to the media

869
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: that he's one of the three finalists because he feels

870
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: bad for him or likes him like he does genuinely

871
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: like him, but he doesn't hire him.

872
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no no, I would not do that.

873
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 3: That's true. It's tough because the kind of general picture

874
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 3: of the candidate's list is the retreads and the guys

875
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 3: who have the most cachet. The first of all, I

876
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 3: hate the way we high head coach, which is which

877
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 3: coordinator was good last year? Just makes no sense. Why

878
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 3: guys fail all the time? Do they have the right

879
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: schools and stuff to run a building? Is how I

880
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 3: would interview the guys most than just which coordinator did well.

881
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: But the offensive guys where it gets tricky. Everyone wants

882
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: one of these offensive gurus, one of these offensive minds.

883
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 3: They're all looking for Ben Johnson and Liam Cohen. It's

884
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 3: just pretty dry. If it's not Cliff Kingsbury. It's guys

885
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 3: who are twenty, like Grant Yudensky or Declan Doyle, or

886
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 3: guys who've been the league two or three seasons because

887
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 3: they're in college, so it's tough to find people who fit,

888
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 3: which is where you just kind of a light. I

889
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 3: think if you're just going through offensive pecking order and

890
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: you're not in the Kingsbury world, that's just not your

891
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 3: vibe trying to re establish a building. That's when I

892
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 3: think you hit on. Mike McCarthy's like the faults, saying

893
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 3: this isn't the best cycle. We had to move on

894
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: from Brian Callaghan. Let's give it to Mike for a

895
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: couple of seasons.

896
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 2: I could see it between those other guys are Spags

897
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: second time around, f Laura's second time around, Salah, the

898
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 2: defensive guys, Vance, Joseph.

899
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: Who would you like the most?

900
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 3: I always want to go for Vance. I'll say Van,

901
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 3: so it's out there publicly because I really want him

902
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 3: to get a cracker doing it again. The guy I

903
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 3: would hire if my owner approved, you know, interviewing the

904
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: guy that he's suing him currently would probably be Flores.

905
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 3: I think he's got the best rolodex to build the

906
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 3: staff around him. I do worry about putting him back

907
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: in charge of a whole facility and what that may do,

908
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 3: and what it was like in Miami. Everyone says he's

909
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 3: calmed down. It's not as bad as it used to be.

910
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: When the pressure gets mounting and it's stressful and you're

911
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 3: not sleeping and you're in charge of travel again, might

912
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 3: be different. But I think he would be one of

913
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 3: the defensive guys who could find the stream of young

914
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 3: offensive minds. You keep getting picked off the staff every season.

915
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 3: You've got to keep refreshing that the way someone like

916
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 3: McDermot has had to do. I think Flores of those

917
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 3: guys would be the guy I take the punt on.

918
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: And the reality is other than if the Ravens job

919
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: opens up. It's not like there's these ready made jobs

920
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: where you have a strong front office and ownership situation.

921
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: Every one of these jobs is going to have different challenges.

922
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 2: I guess Austin Ford is probably going to be in

923
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: place in Arizona, but even that, you just look at

924
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: the history there.

925
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,479
Speaker 1: He'd be the most fun to watch.

926
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 3: The highest floor is of Robert Seller. I think Robert

927
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,959
Speaker 3: Sala will always get you in his second go round

928
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: to seven wins and that's the floor. Is he and

929
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 3: a guy who can put you over the top. There's

930
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 3: been so much brain drain from the people he's work with.

931
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 3: But I did not love even though he's doing a

932
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 3: very good job this season with the tools available, not

933
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 3: taking the year off, if I was going to hire

934
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 3: him and not going and getting outside of his comfort

935
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: zone going back to the Niners. So I think he's

936
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 3: an outstanding coach, excellent defensive guy, could be the Spags

937
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 3: of his generation. Just be the guy everyone wants to

938
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 3: hire as the defensive coach out have loved him to

939
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 3: do a year out and go and survey all the

940
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 3: college campuses and go and find all the cool new

941
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 3: ideas bringing him in and just becomes a fact. Similar

942
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 3: if that Jets job again and he brings a little

943
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 3: loll back with him, which have a la flow brothers

944
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 3: rolling around, I wouldn't be interested in that.

945
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: Jeff l There's not that many Laflair brothers. Mike Michaelfler,

946
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: NFL daily guest at training camp back in August. All right,

947
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: the defensive guys, then the young guys minter to me,

948
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 2: seems like the top guy and will get a lot

949
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: of interviews in this spike in this cycle. Other possibilities,

950
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: Chris Schulo will probably get attention from Los Angeles, Like

951
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: he's a younger coach that hasn't had a lot of

952
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: like experience, like in front of the podium, and like

953
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 2: there will be questions of like, Okay, how can he

954
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: lead an entire organization that's fair for most of these

955
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: first time coaches.

956
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: Anthony Weaver could get looks.

957
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: He's the defensive coordinator with Miami, Jeff Hafley the defensive

958
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: coordinator for the Packers, You're beloved Lou and Arumo with

959
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: the Colts right now, and then Anthony Campaneely. I think

960
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 2: that's a probably a year or two ahead from him

961
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: really getting attention, but has done a good job with

962
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 2: the Jaguars. Why do you think it sounds like Minter

963
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: would be an interesting pick.

964
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's a superstar. I think he's one

965
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 3: of the special ones hiding out there. It's the perfect age,

966
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 3: perfect ideas, perfect pipeline of coaches, whether it's any of

967
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 3: the guys that are left at Michigan or is the

968
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 3: people who could pick off the Chargers' staff and just

969
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 3: has an unbelievable feel already for what a good program

970
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 3: should look and sound like, does really cool things around

971
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 3: the facility that is not traditional NFL stuff that I

972
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 3: know he's implemented with the Chargers that I think you

973
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 3: could take into an organization and would improve the masterly.

974
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 3: Iically don't think he's the kind of schematic guru in

975
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 3: the way he's builders like Mike McDonald. It's a lot

976
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: more basic than the stuff Seattle do. But whenever I've

977
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: watched him talk and speak and work at coaching clinics

978
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 3: and things like that, it just jumps off the screen

979
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 3: that he operates at a different level and the organization

980
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 3: and the principles I just think looks, smells sound like

981
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 3: a guy who's got the goods.

982
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: I think Anthony Weaver has a little bit of that

983
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: at where if he's in the room, I think he'll

984
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 2: impress ownership and that he does make sense as a

985
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: guy who's done a good job. Schematically, they're in Miami,

986
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 2: They're not amazing, but he certainly has done a solid job.

987
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: But a guy that you could see kind of leading

988
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: an organization.

989
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that last cycle. I thought he'd be

990
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: the sneaky higher I thought the Jets would look in

991
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: that direction. That one. He would blow people away once

992
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 3: he got in the room. I think this one is

993
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 3: tough and cramped because you've got Minter and Shola, and

994
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 3: then you maybe have the retreads of Salagate's one. You

995
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 3: start running out of jobs where you become the guy

996
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 3: who impressed the interview. We didn't mention, by the way,

997
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 3: during the jobs the Miami Dolphins. If there's a shoeler

998
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 3: available and the Dolphins job is available, then all of

999
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 3: a sudden, you start looking at that one. Though. I

1000
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 3: think I do think the Stephen Ross would go big

1001
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 3: game hunting if they decide to do that. But you're

1002
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,479
Speaker 3: so in on just mcdoniel's staying.

1003
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: I guess no, I'm an idiot. This is why you

1004
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: need an editor. Give me a break. How did we

1005
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: go through the whole episode? How did no one see this?

1006
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: I went through all the I must have just been

1007
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 2: so sick of talking about the Dolphins situation all week. Oh,

1008
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: I think he's gone. I think there's been a lot

1009
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: of you know, talk that they would like to keep him,

1010
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: and I think it depends on who you're talking to

1011
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 2: there necessarily, and it just it just doesn't make logical

1012
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 2: sense that they're going to essentially require the next GM

1013
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: to keep Mike McDaniel. It's possible, and it's not the

1014
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 2: craziest idea ever, Like, he has strengths as a head coach,

1015
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: but he would be on my leaning gone list.

1016
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you fixed that whole. Thank you.

1017
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 3: I would go with leaning gun with him too. I

1018
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 3: understand the reasons why you would consider it. You say,

1019
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 3: we think we've got a guy who is a false

1020
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 3: multiplier as an offensive designer. What if you had a

1021
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 3: real pro quote back that that seems sounds pretty good,

1022
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 3: sounds better than some of the options out there. And

1023
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 3: options are it's defense Ski, it's you Didnski, a twenty

1024
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 3: eight year old running off building, or it's Might mcdoniel.

1025
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 3: I can see how you could talk yourself into that,

1026
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 3: just the way Steven Ross is. I assume he will go.

1027
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 3: He'll go chasing a big name on the market.

1028
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 2: Okay, so the big names there aren't many that are

1029
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 2: offensive guys right now. Cliff Kingsbury, you mentioned Udinski is

1030
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: one of the youngest, maybe the youngest coordinator in the league.

1031
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: For Jacksonville.

1032
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: I do think Liam Cohen people are gonna just want

1033
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: to get a piece of what Liam Cohen has been

1034
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: doing after really a skyrocket in terms of his status

1035
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 2: within the league the last couple of years. Declan Doyle.

1036
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: You mentioned who's with the Bears right now, but it's

1037
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: guys I have a hard time imagining get serious looks

1038
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: Clayton Adams, maybe with Dallas who's helped to design their

1039
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: running game. Mike kaff guy I think has a chance

1040
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: for New York to keep the Giant's job, but it

1041
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 2: just hasn't gone well as an interim, so that's not

1042
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: going to help him.

1043
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: Among those offensive guys who catches.

1044
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 3: It's pretty tough. I love Clayton Adams, I have a

1045
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 3: hard time seeing him stepping up to the top podium

1046
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 3: at this stage. And that's where it's just tight. I

1047
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 3: would be if you're taking the swing for the fence,

1048
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 3: if you're the titsans just saying we stink, but we

1049
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 3: think we got the quarterback. Let's just go and take

1050
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 3: a punt on having Sean McVeigh, that's where I would

1051
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 3: look at doing that. You didn't ski now. I don't

1052
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 3: love the idea of a twenty nine year old running

1053
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 3: the whole team, that that would be concerning. But of

1054
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 3: those guys you see and look and go, he seems

1055
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 3: different to all the other guys who come through as

1056
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 3: they stood near McVeigh, those type of coaches, whether it's

1057
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 3: a LA floor, whoever it is, he does feel a

1058
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 3: little bit different. So if you're taking a swing, that's

1059
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 3: the guy I take the swing on.

1060
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 2: I mean, the thing about the whole they stood near,

1061
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: like McVeigh hires, is they've mostly worked. I mean that's

1062
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: the hit rate has been way higher than a normal

1063
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 2: head coaching. That that's where I think Nate Nate Schielhaus

1064
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: with the Rams has a chance. He's only been the

1065
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: league two years, which again you wouldn't want necessary running

1066
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: the whole thing. But if you're looking for the guy

1067
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 2: who stood him, surely gets a lot of the attention

1068
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: for that. But if you're leading, well, we really want

1069
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: the offensive stuff that Sean does. That's kind of why

1070
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 2: we're interviewing you. He's older, he's a bit more experienced,

1071
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 2: so I could see him being a real outside hire.

1072
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: The other one would be Davis Webb, who I think

1073
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: if you're going again, the young got to take a

1074
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: swing route. We're not interested in Mike McCarthy and retraid

1075
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: offensive mine. Cliff Kingsbury is not our style of just

1076
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: dude around the office. I think Davis Webb probably has

1077
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: a little bit more experiences being in multiple buildings. I

1078
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Speaker 2: think we'll come across really well in the interview, so

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Speaker 2: I could see him being a kind of an outside hire.

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Speaker 2: But once you get past to those guys, you're into

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Speaker 2: the Clint Kubiak, which just isn't for me. You're into

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Speaker 2: Todd Munkin, which feels like maybe you're doing it ten

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Speaker 2: years too late.

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Speaker 3: As a head coach in the league. That would have

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Speaker 3: to be a we're making him the head coach of

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Speaker 3: the Ravenscauz Lamar wants some situation to me, or he's

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Speaker 3: gone with Josh All on the Bills like a premier

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Speaker 3: quarterback and he can just kind of add on to

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Speaker 3: the top there rather than turning a team around.

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned Davis web just for the listeners. He is.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to get his title right for the Broncos,

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Speaker 2: the offensive pass the offensive pass game coordinator, and the

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks coach. I knew he was the quarterbacks coach there

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Speaker 2: and had some other title where they now like split

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Speaker 2: coordinator titles like among three People.

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Speaker 1: He also authored.

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Speaker 2: Like that terrible tush not toush push but QB sneak

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Speaker 2: Remember from like ninety nine yards away?

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Speaker 1: Am I am? I crazy to remember that? That's why

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Speaker 1: it was a sad moment. I mean, he's only thirty

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Speaker 1: years old.

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Speaker 2: I was like, that was only a couple of years

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Speaker 2: ago that Davis Webb was making sad starts for the Giants.

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Speaker 3: So, but this is the thing, when we talking about

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Speaker 3: the other jobs they come open. Everyone wants to get

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Speaker 3: rid of that coach. I get it, you think they're

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Speaker 3: a bozo. If you want to get rid of the

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Speaker 3: coach because you want to go chase the next offensive mind,

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Speaker 3: you're really tapping out pretty quickly. Unless you want to

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Speaker 3: take a swing on a guy who's being the league

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Speaker 3: two oh three years or a guy who's just incredibly

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Speaker 3: young even though he's coach his entire life. Those are

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Speaker 3: pretty big risks to take of you. You're going to

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Speaker 3: have players who were significantly older than your head coach

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Speaker 3: stood in front of the room.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is.

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Speaker 2: There are not a lot of obvious offensive options. Even

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Speaker 2: among the retreads. They're mostly defensive coaches. I guess I

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Speaker 2: can't have Ali on without you know, asking if Justina's reporting.

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Speaker 2: You know, she had more on Thursday morning that there's

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Speaker 2: multiple high up people with a couple of organizations who

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Speaker 2: are at least sort of considering maybe giving Bill Belichick

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Speaker 2: a call. I can't imagine, well, I definitely can't imagine

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Speaker 2: he gets a job. But do you even think he

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Speaker 2: gets a real deal interview in this cycle.

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Speaker 3: Real deal interview? I'm not sure a phone call. I

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Speaker 3: think yes, And I think that's the Falcons, and I

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Speaker 3: think that probably already took place to gauge interest. I

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Speaker 3: think that Dori Dorby thing for off the blank is

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Speaker 3: like a real thing that he doesn't know why you

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Speaker 3: went down one after the fact, So I think the

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Speaker 3: calls will take place. I could not see it happening.

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Speaker 2: That just would be sad times for the Falcons to

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Speaker 2: hire Bill Belichick ten years after twenty eight to just

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Speaker 2: very Falcons, that was great. We will be obviously tracking

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Speaker 2: all the coaching news throughout the next couple of weeks

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Speaker 2: on NFL Daily. Ali, I won't talk to you on

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Speaker 2: the show before Christmas, So have a great Christmas, and

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Speaker 2: for everyone listening. We obviously have many more shows before Christmas.

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Speaker 2: We will be back on Sunday Night to Yes recap

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Speaker 2: those big time Saturday games, including that Bears Packers I

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Speaker 2: cannot wait for that, and then Yes, Jags Broncos to

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Speaker 2: me is just fascinating on Sunday along with Ravens Patriots.

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Speaker 2: We will see you there in the Chris Westling Podcast

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Speaker 2: Studio recapping it all