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Speaker 1: everybody doing. I hope you're well. I hope that you know,

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Speaker 1: how much more awful small hockey bullshit can you get?

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Speaker 1: You know? How about them braves? Who knows you? Is

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Speaker 1: it baseball? No? Football just started? Yeah? Right? Baseball April May, June, July, August, September.

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Speaker 1: I know that from the Broadway musical Damn Yankees, where

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Speaker 1: sports don't next? Look, we're excited to be here. We're

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Speaker 1: excited that you're here. We're excited that next Thursday, the

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Speaker 1: three you can hear me on the podcast Daily Zeitgeist, Uh,

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Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio podcast where we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about you know, the Daily Zeitgeist. I can't tell you

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Speaker 1: literally defeat the whole purpose of the show. I guess

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Speaker 1: that's true. It's daily Yeah, but super excited to go

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Speaker 1: so double ammy on the Daily Zeitgeist. It's gonna be awesome.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited. Yeah, Ben Bolan was on today of

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History fame, uh and that was a great episode,

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Speaker 1: so give him a listen. Yeah, I'm excited because The

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is the only other show I've ever hosted on,

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Speaker 1: and not anything from history. Yeah, exactly right. And Jack

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Speaker 1: and Miles are awesome. Um, so I'm very excited to

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Speaker 1: go over there and honestly meet them. We haven't we

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Speaker 1: ratings will go through the roop. I can't wait, So

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Speaker 1: keep an ear out for that. Today we're here talking

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Speaker 1: about I'm I'd love this story so much. This is

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Speaker 1: do right by it because it is a roller coaster.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this guy his life was it was ups

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Speaker 1: passionate honorable you know ship. So we're talking about Governor Morris. Yes, um,

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Speaker 1: you've seen the crazy spelling of his name in the

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Speaker 1: title of the episode. Apparently no one is sure how

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Speaker 1: he pronounced his name, but Abigail Adams wrote about him

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Speaker 1: in her journal and she wrote, governedear n e e er.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to say governor, ye govern year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: was the pronunciation we're going with, and it does mean

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Speaker 1: governor in French. But he was never a governor. He's

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Speaker 1: just governor. We will get into his name and everything.

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Speaker 1: He should be way more well known. He was a

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Speaker 1: founding father, He wrote the Preamble to the Constitution, and

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Speaker 1: present at the Continental Congress. And that's just a few

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Speaker 1: He loved a good joke, he loved a good time,

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Speaker 1: this guy partied. We're gonna have fun. Let us get

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Speaker 1: right into this crazy story. Yes, hey they're French, come listen. Well,

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Speaker 1: Eli and Diana got some stories to tell. There's no matchmaking,

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Speaker 1: a romantic tips. It's just about pridiculous relationships, a love.

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Speaker 1: were the Second Clans Ridiculous Roles? A production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Governor was born in seventeen fifty two in

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Speaker 1: New York. His father is a wealthy landowning judge. He

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Speaker 1: They're like, they're defleeting the football's it's a sure thing.

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Speaker 1: this guy in Hamilton's Okay, I mean, we're talking about

424
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 1: money now, and I'm fine, all right, all right, all right.

425
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: It's spent a lot of time grilling lin Manuel Miranda

426
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: about leaving this character out, But okay, So he's working

427
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 1: with Robert Morris, and together they worked to save America's

428
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: finances by creating the Bank of North America and issuing

429
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: stronger currencies. Governor, You're also tried to pass a national

430
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: tax through Congress, which got him on Washington's bad side

431
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: for a while, actually because it kind of caused him

432
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: escort amongst the Continental Army officers. They weren't they weren't

433
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: liking that ruffled a few feathers. I mean, America is

434
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: basically founded on not like in Texas, and that's like

435
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: the one thing we have in common with our founders,

436
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: for sure. Nobody wanted to pay that ship. Then, to

437
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: his surprise, he was selected to be the delegate from

438
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania to the Constitutional convention in seven. He hadn't even

439
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: sought this appointment. They just were like, you're there, but

440
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: the peg leg you should do this. No, you know

441
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: what I bet they were. I bet they did say, like, um, hey, uh,

442
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: this guy's been sleeping with our wives. Sleep my wife.

443
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: He's been sleeping with your wife. Guys, see my wife.

444
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: But we gotta give this guy a job. He's got

445
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,479
Speaker 1: too much free time on his hands. Yeah, let's get him.

446
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: Let's give him something to do besides my wife. Anyway,

447
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: he had not been seeking this appointment, but they gave

448
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: it to him, and he totally threw himself into it,

449
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: not about to half ask anything. This guy seems like

450
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: a real just like go with it, Like, oh you

451
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: want me to do this, okay, sure, I'll completely do

452
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: it to the best of my abilities. Yeah, he never

453
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,239
Speaker 1: sought elections elected positions, but he was like, if I'm

454
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: going to serve, I'm gonna serve. Looks I'm just kidding.

455
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: But even though he missed a month of meetings, he

456
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: gave a hundred and seventy three speeches, which is more

457
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: than any other member, including James Madison, the chief architect

458
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: of the Constitution, who we all know loves to give

459
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: speeches as a speech given fool. He also made a

460
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: lot of Southern enemies at the Constitutional Convention because he

461
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: fought passionately against slavery. Um. The subject came up because

462
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: of the three fifths rule, the three five compromise, um

463
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: compromise with whom themselves and their own morals. The South

464
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: was arguing that, of course enslaved people were property right,

465
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: they were not people, That's why they could be enslaved.

466
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: But they were also kind of like, hmm, let's count

467
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: them as three fifths of a person, because then we'll

468
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: have more of a population count in the census, and

469
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: that means we'll have more representation in the House and Senate,

470
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: and that means that whoever we send to the House

471
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: and Senate will preserve slavery. So they were kind of

472
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: like trying to game the system here and get more

473
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: representation because more of their citizens were enslaved than were free.

474
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: Governor was not about this bullshit at all, and he

475
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: gave a blazing rebuttal which I would like to just

476
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: read to you in its entirety because it's fantastic. Um,

477
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: So how about we go to a new segment the

478
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: patriotic podium upon what principles is it that the slaves

479
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: shall be computed in the representation? Are they men? Then

480
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: make them citizens and let them vote? Are they property?

481
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: Why then is no other property included? The houses in

482
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: Philadelphia are worth more than all the wretched slaves that

483
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: cover the rice swamps of South Carolina. The admission of

484
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: slaves into the representation, when fairly explained, comes to this

485
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: that the inhabitant of Georgia and South Carolina who goes

486
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: to the coast of Africa and, in defiance of the

487
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,959
Speaker 1: most sacred laws of humanity, tears away his fellow creatures

488
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: from their dearest connections and damns them to the most

489
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: cruel bondages. She'll have more votes in a government instituted

490
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: for the protection of the rights of mankind than the

491
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: citizen of Pennsylvania or New Jersey who views with laudable

492
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: horror so nefarious a practice. Wow, that than's fighting words.

493
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he was not buttering this up at all.

494
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: He was basically like, how the funk are we going

495
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: to give more representation to people willing to do this

496
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: to other human beings than the people who aren't. YEA, Yeah,

497
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: He's like oh so it's one of the other guys.

498
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: Do you are you enslaving human beings? Or is my

499
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: chair get a representative? Does my writing desk get a representative?

500
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: Does that wield and almost ripped my dick off, got

501
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: a representative? You know, good for him for calling that

502
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: ship out. You gotta call it ship out when you

503
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: see it. It's very true. No stand up and say

504
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: something and unequivocally like again, he's not beating around the bush.

505
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: He's not trying to be like it's okay, then like something.

506
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: He's like, fuck, this whole thing awful, not into it.

507
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: And he also said that if he threw a little

508
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: shade on the South, additionally by saying that if you

509
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: travel through the colonies, you could see the difference in

510
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: the states with him without slavery, states like Jersey and

511
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania that Forbade slavery were superior, beautiful, they were improved

512
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: in like every way. But quote proceeds southwardly, and every

513
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: stup you take through the great Region of slaves presents

514
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: a desert increasing with the increasing proportion of these wretched beings.

515
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: So he was just like, your ship looks like shit,

516
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: and you've got all this free labor. And it still

517
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: looks like, shit, you got, you got all you've You've

518
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: enslaved all these people to do all this work for you,

519
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, and we're up here in the

520
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: north like doing it with our own two hands, and

521
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: we made a look a lot nicer than y'all did.

522
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: And paying people to do it like work to work,

523
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: how much better it is. This was another thing that

524
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: he actually split with his family on. His family had

525
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: enslaved people for generations, but Governor did not. When his

526
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: parents died, they bequeathed people to their kids, but none

527
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: to govern your I guess they knew. They were like,

528
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: don't give them an old govy boy over there, because

529
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: he's gonna free them or some ship, you know. But

530
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: later in his life we did find that record show

531
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: he did purchase two people, but he also immediately manumitted

532
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: them and instead he had indentured contracts with them and

533
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: he paid them wages. So unlike many of the founders

534
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: like James Madison and Thomas Jefferson, who you know, love

535
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: to talk about how bad slavery was, like, oh, this

536
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: is I can't believe we're doing this. We're really enslaving

537
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: people in this great new country where everyone's supposed to

538
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: be free. You know, you all should stop doing that,

539
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: and I will right after you do in a minute.

540
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: But Governor is out here calling out that nonsense and

541
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: practicing what he preached. In seventeen eighty five, he helped

542
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: John J. Form the New York Manumission Society, and New

543
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: York would eventually abolish slavery in seventeen. The manumission, just

544
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: to clarify, is different from abolition. Manumission is when enslavers

545
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: voluntarily free their slaves, whereas abolition was legally abolishing slavery.

546
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: Like the whole practice with government action, so kind of

547
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: like you know, if you're like, oh, don't worry, billionaires

548
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: will just give their money away in charities, and other

549
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: people are like, how about we just text them, because

550
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: they don't always give their money away. And during the

551
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: Constitutional Convention, despite all these back and forth he was

552
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: having with the South over slavery and stuff like that,

553
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: he was appointed to the Committee of Style, which was

554
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: in charge of basically taking the bullet points of the

555
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: Constitution that the Committee of Detail would work out and

556
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: giving it language, you know, turning it into a readable document. Oh,

557
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: that's disappointing. It really sounded to me like he was

558
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: in charge of like a continental fashion runway, like and

559
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: dex Governeur. Morris comes to the Committee of Style with

560
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: his new look, the peg leg, the legless trousers with

561
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: two French lace cuffs. He looks amazing and two French

562
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 1: ladies on his side. Accurate. James Madison said, the finn

563
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: is given to the style and arrangement of the Constitution

564
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 1: fairly belongs to the pen of mr Morris. A better

565
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: choice could not have been made. Nice. He's just a

566
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: very good writer and everyone knew it. He was very good.

567
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: Crisp pros boy. I bet he would have had a

568
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: great solo in Hamilton's I wish someone had thought of

569
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: that before they wrote the whole play about the founders. Um.

570
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 1: And he's like mostly working with pre existing material. Again,

571
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: he's got a bullet points of things he's got to

572
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: kind of turn into something worth reading. Um and kind

573
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: of inspiring, I guess. Also at the same time, so

574
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: unlike Thomas Jefferson who wrote you know, the Declaration of Independence,

575
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: free hands essentially, but the preamble to the Constitution is

576
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: entirely Governeur's own construction. Um, this is where his nationalist

577
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: views really came into play, and he was kind of

578
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: just throwing his own agenda into the Constitution at this point,

579
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: because he was given a draft that began with like

580
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: we the people of Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Georgia, you know,

581
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: naming all the colonies separately, as separate independent states, because

582
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: that's how you know, a lot of them were trying

583
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: to arrange things. And Governor changed it to the words

584
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: that we know, some of us know, we're vaguely familiar with,

585
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: that we're vaguely familiar with and love. Today, we the

586
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: people of the United States, in order to form a

587
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: more perfect union, established justice, ensued domestic tranquility, provide for

588
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the

589
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain

590
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Classic.

591
00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: I mean, he was like United States Union, United States, right,

592
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: It was just straight up like we are together on this.

593
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: Maybe he was just like speculation station. Maybe he was

594
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: just like, I'm not listing out every goddamn colony every

595
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: time I gotta write this by hand, you know, not

596
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: like Georgia, New York, South Carolina, North Carol. We got

597
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: two Carolina's. Now, okay, keep going. It's like this is

598
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: gonna be four pages long before I get to the

599
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: end of the preamble if I have to list every

600
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: colony every time my hands cramping? Can I just shorten this?

601
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: United States? Doesn't that sound good to everybody? We're doing it.

602
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 1: We're doing it apparently really piste off like Patrick Henry

603
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: and stuff that he did that, but that he put

604
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: the United States in there, Yeah, because he was one

605
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: of the ones who was like independent states or whatever.

606
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: But it stayed in, didn't it. So sorry, Patrick Henry.

607
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: We may know your name better than Governor Morris is today,

608
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 1: but who's whose work are we looking at? In nine,

609
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: Governor Morris went to France on business and he was

610
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: appointed Master planet Potentiary just basically an ambassador to France

611
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: by George Washington, the president in s and this is

612
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: where he started keeping the diaries that biographers are now

613
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: using to document his life. And here again Governor had

614
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: a front row seat to history because he was right

615
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: back in the thick of the French Revolution. But I

616
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: say before we jump into a whole other revolution. We

617
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: take a little break, and we'll be right back. And

618
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: we're back, and it's the French Revolution. Governor knew Marquis

619
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: de Lafayette and several other French revolutionaries, and he found

620
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: them pleasant and well read. But he kind of thought

621
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: the French Revolution was doomed because none of the revolutionary

622
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: elite knew how to set up or run a government.

623
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: He liked these guys, but he clearly also they were

624
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: kind of reaching a little further than our their abilities,

625
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: kind of biting off more than they could chew here,

626
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: and kind of you know, taking a fistful from the

627
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: cookie jar, and they couldn't couldn't get it out. And

628
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: want this cookie. It wants this cookie of liberty, but

629
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: I have too many in my hand that cannot take

630
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: it out of the jar. No classic French problem. But

631
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: we love you friends, um, he wrote of Lafayette. There

632
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 1: is no drawing the sound of a trumpet from a whistle.

633
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: The shade I mean, if you tweeted that, oh, govin

634
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: your Morris viscer, it's marquet to Lafayette. In a letter

635
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: to John Jay, la Fayette dragged in letter, yeah, I

636
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: mean the man's a whistle and you can't get a

637
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: trumpet noise out of that. That's it says so much.

638
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: It says so much just calling someone a whistle to

639
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: begin with. It's like, I feel like you're dainty and

640
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: your delicate and you're lovely, but not strong and bold

641
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: and trumpetous, you know, yeah, so you could never back

642
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: up an orchestra. Unlike the other ambassadors, he stayed in

643
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: France through the bloodiest part of the revolution, and he

644
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: was actually more sympathetic to Marie Antoinette than his American contemporaries.

645
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: Richard Brookheiser, who wrote the biography about Governor, said that

646
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 1: because the French court was considered weak and effeminate, stacked

647
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: with royal mistresses who really ran things, French revolutionary politics

648
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: were pretty misogynistic, which is why Marie Antoinette was particularly vilified.

649
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 1: She had to deal with basically the seventeen nineties version

650
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: of revenge porn that like pamphlets circulated of her naked

651
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: I get like naked drawings of her crazy situations. They

652
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: would put her in. You're telling me that a bunch

653
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: of dudes I saw a woman in power, and uh,

654
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: we're absolutely horrendous about it. I know it's hard to grasp,

655
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: but let's just suspend our disbelief and try, all right,

656
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: for this one unique, single moment in history where that

657
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: ever happened once, I'll allow it. Um slash s right sarcasm. Note,

658
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: So Marie Antoinette actually had to deal with being accused

659
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: of sexually abusing her son. There is absolutely no evidence

660
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: that this ever happened, ever presented anyone ever up to

661
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: this day. But they said it anyway, So of course

662
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: that made it true in a bunch of people's minds.

663
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: To govern your women were equals and to be respected,

664
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 1: and he was pretty deferential and respectful to the Queen

665
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: and to the other women of the court, which his

666
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: biographer points out that that in and of itself was

667
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: a political statement in that environment, like, oh, you treat

668
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: her like a human being? Absolutely not dude, right, And

669
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: he didn't even have to go out of his way.

670
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: He was just like, I just like smiled at her

671
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: at a party or something, and people were like, what,

672
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: oh he smiled at her. Lovely to see you, madam,

673
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 1: rebel angry dicks. I mean, not that Marie Antoine didn't

674
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: have some problems, sure, sure, but she she I think, yeah,

675
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: we're now coming to realize that she kind of was pretty.

676
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: She just got the short end of the stick. Don't worry,

677
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: We'll we'll do that episode, it's common. Governor's diaries are

678
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: particularly coveted by historians because they provide a really detailed

679
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: account and like really realistic account of what it was

680
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: like to live in France during the terrors, you know,

681
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 1: all the guillotine ings and ship um like. For example,

682
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: in one entry, he describes watching a bunch of revolutionaries

683
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: parade ahead on a pike through this streets as he's

684
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: like walking, you know, to a restaurant for dinner or something,

685
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: and he's you know, disgusted and like what a people

686
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: like my god, I mean that's not like the snoopy float,

687
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, going down Fifth Avenue. Very different, very different

688
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: Macy's Thanksgiving ready added that end of the Macy stay. Yeah,

689
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: so that you know, he's like a gassed at that

690
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: and really taken aback and grossed out. But then a

691
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: later entry he talks about a guy coming to court

692
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: to apply for damages to his like rock quarry because

693
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: so many bodies had been thrown into the pit that

694
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: it was full of corpses and he couldn't get anyone

695
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: to work it. Oh my god. And he was talking

696
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: about that really matter of factly, like just another day

697
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: at the court. So it was like it just really

698
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 1: shows kind of the I guess normalization over a period

699
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: of time of all that violence. So this guy just

700
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: shows up and he's like, hey, um, will you please

701
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: stop throwing bodies in my head because that's where I work,

702
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: and no one will. I can't get anybody to go

703
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: down there because it's fucking disgusting because it's full of

704
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: dead bodies. Yeah, that's a legitimate Yes, Now I can't

705
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: earn my living. The court recognizes your complaint. Uh, we'll

706
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: be filed for further motion to be evaluated. We'll get

707
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: back to you in six eight months. I'll be dead

708
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: by then. Yes, that's the idea, perfect great for us.

709
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: Should we just go ahead and cross this off now.

710
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: One time governor was cornered by revolutionaries who were threatening

711
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: to hang him in the streets, and so he pulled

712
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: off his peg leg and waved it in the air

713
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: and told him he lost a limb fighting for liberty.

714
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: And at that point the crowd starts cheering as he

715
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: yells revolution, and of course, as we say, did not

716
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: lose the peg leg fighting for liberty. He lost it

717
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: running from an irane husband. But the guy thinks quick, okay,

718
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: he knows how to make the most of a moment.

719
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: I know, yes, revolution, and they're all like amazing. But

720
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: his diaries of this time are not just full of

721
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: bloody revolution. There's also a bunch of sexy stuff. He

722
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: had a long affair with a novelist named Adelaide de Float.

723
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: Her husband was a count who was thirty years older

724
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: than her, so probably at least dull, if not vicious.

725
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: They lived at the Louver, which, of course the time

726
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: was a palace housing the king and his court, and

727
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: she already had a lover, guy named Talleyrand. You want

728
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: to see Telly Rand's Telly, She's like no, it's a

729
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: terrible pickup line. But at the time this guy was

730
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: the Bishop of Autune and a novice politician. Governor gave

731
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: tally Rand lots of advice about politics and writing constitutions

732
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: and all that, leading Adelaide to say, well, my friend,

733
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: you and I will govern France, and Governor would write

734
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: dryly in his diary. Later the kingdom is actually in

735
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 1: much worse hands. It was like if only, But Adelaide

736
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: must have really liked Governor because she told him she

737
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: wanted to marry him and moved to America with him

738
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: and just leave her husband scruzes, which partly might have

739
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: been just because she's like because I mean, he's a count,

740
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: so who knows it's going to happen revolutionary times. But

741
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: she wasn't trying to marry tally Rand, so you know,

742
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: I just think she really liked Governor. But he refused her.

743
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: I don't think he was ready to get married, I guess,

744
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: or maybe he also thought it was a terrible idea diplomatically,

745
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: like run off with the Southern man's wife. I don't

746
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: but he did not refuse to meet her for sex. Whatever.

747
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: She liked um and they liked to risk. Okay, So

748
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: in his diary he used the word celebrate as his

749
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: code word for when he had sex. Oh, just like

750
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: just like Puttnam Yeah, like Dorothy let codes for sex

751
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: in historic diaries where it's now it's like, you know,

752
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 1: you get somebody's diary now if they even have one,

753
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: it's not even it's just another you know, Instagram or

754
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: they'll tweet like tally Rand ate my hoss last night,

755
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: like walk a shame from tally Rand's. So in his

756
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: diary he wrote, go to the loop. We take the

757
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: chance of interruption and celebrate in the passage while the

758
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: husband is below. Visitors are hourly expected. The doors are

759
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: all open, so they were like, please stumble in on me.

760
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 1: And they also did it in carryes, and they did

761
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 1: it at this convent where her old governess lived. So

762
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: it was like exhibitionists, yeah, right, like wherever, whenever, whatever.

763
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: But of course it's a revolution and there's not a

764
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: bunch of it's not always sunshine and rainbows and getting

765
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: screwed in the louver. One day, the Count Adelaide's husband

766
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: was guillotine expected yea, and Adelaide fled the country. She

767
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: later married a Portuguese diplomat who treated her very well.

768
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: So we're happy Adelaide got out a good life. Great job, Adelaide. Now,

769
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 1: America had demanded that France recall their ambassador who had

770
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: insulted George Washington and tried to meddle in American politics.

771
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: So France turned around and was like, okay, then we'll

772
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: take our best their back. But your man, governoror has

773
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: got to go, given him zi boots, and so he

774
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: returned to America in seventeen but he had made enough

775
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: money in Paris to buy back his family's estate from

776
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: his half brother. Nice. Yeah, good job. He was in

777
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: the Senate for the Federal Federalist Party from eight hundred

778
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: until eighteen o three, when he was defeated an election.

779
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: Like basically, this is around the time the Federalist Party

780
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: completely like dissolved essentially, so that's probably what happened there.

781
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: But also in eighteen o three, he started having an

782
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: affair with another wealthy novelist and poet, Sarah Appthorpe Morton,

783
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: and she told him all about this scandal that had

784
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: happened in her life in when her husband seduced her sister, Francis,

785
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: who gave birth to his child and then killed herself

786
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: with laudanum when the affair became public. Crazy ship, I mean,

787
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 1: that's a crazy story. So she tells him my sister

788
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: slept with my husband, had a baby, and then killed

789
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: herself when everybody found out about it. Yeah, Park, yeah, right,

790
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: And he listened, guys, he listened to that story. Okay,

791
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: I didn't judge. He wasn't like, well you're sullied, No,

792
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: not at all. He was like, Wow, I'm so sorry

793
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: that happened to you. You know, your emotions are valid

794
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: and uh, and whatever I can do to support you,

795
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: I'm here for Yeah, I will keep sleeping with you

796
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: if you like she thought of something we could do

797
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: to support her. I've got some ideas like Sarah and

798
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: her husband somehow reconciled after that, which I just find like, wow,

799
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: Like it's one thing to forgive an affair, even if

800
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: there's a kid, but the fact that your sister killed

801
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: herself over it is just kind of a lot. I mean,

802
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: maybe the dude was equally devastated, you know, tried to

803
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: stop this from happening, tried to help her. Maybe the

804
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: sister like had severe depression. We don't know. We don't

805
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: know anything, don't well, not anything, but we don't know much. Um.

806
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: But even though she did forgive him and they were

807
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: on pretty good terms, it did not stop her from

808
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: having an affair fifteen years later with our man governor, um,

809
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: which I was like, did it take a fifteen years

810
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: to find a guy she liked enough to be like,

811
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: finally I can pay back that debt, you know what

812
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: I mean? Or she just like she was like, no,

813
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sink to his level. And then

814
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: she met Governor and was like, Okay, I'll sink a

815
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 1: little sink a little bit. This guy listens to me.

816
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: I know right, we have like conversations and the things

817
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: he can do with that peg leg. Okay, But in

818
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: eighteen oh four, Governor is good friend Alexander Hamilton's of

819
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: Broadway fame. You might have heard of him. He was

820
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: shot in his famous duel with Aaron Burr. Sir, it's

821
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: insane that Governor Morris is not in the Alexander Hamilton's musical.

822
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: He was Hamilton's best friend. According to Alexander Hamilton's wife,

823
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Skyler, governed near gave Hamilton's eulogy, during which he

824
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: broke down in tears. Also, he was the one who

825
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: realized that the Hamilton's family finances were in like terrible

826
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: disarray and dire trouble, and he took it all into

827
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 1: his own hands, settled Hamilton's debts and created a trust

828
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: so Eliza and the children would have some money to

829
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: live on. So I ask you again, Lynn Manuel Miranda,

830
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 1: I know you're listening, Why the hell is Governor Morris

831
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: not number three on that list of on that cast list? Outrage?

832
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: I mean, all I can figure is, like you said, Diana,

833
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: like it's just too much story. He was like, if

834
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: I take out this is a five act play with

835
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: Governor Morris, I can get it out to two if

836
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: I remove him. So maybe it was just that. I'm

837
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: just saying, lin Manuel, think about like a follow up

838
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 1: with Governor because he deserves a show something. I'm thinking

839
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: we're reading through and in my mind, I'm like Kelsey

840
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: thinking usually of our our most exciting stories. I'm like

841
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: thinking about how the movie would play out this one.

842
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm thinking of five season, ten episode series.

843
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: I think so too. You would need like a Tutors

844
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 1: type show, but only about Governor and all of these

845
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: revolutions he was a part of. Oh my god, amazing.

846
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: Season three is like when he goes to France, right,

847
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: you know you got Marie Antoinette in there, perfect, I

848
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: love it all. Right, Well, he's not in haild To

849
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: Musical and we can't change that, and it's bullshit whatever.

850
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: In eighteen o nine, govern Your was fifty seven years

851
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: old on Christmas Day, he hosted a small dinner party

852
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: which just a few friends um and apparently, according to

853
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: his contemporaries at the time, he became one of the

854
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: best chefs in the country after his retirement from politics.

855
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: Dinner would start at like four pm and they would

856
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: have these long conversations in a great wine and like mean,

857
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: this guy, this guy was great. I mean, he was

858
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: so fun. I would love to go to one of

859
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: his dinner parties and let him cook dinner for me

860
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 1: and tell me all about an affair with him too.

861
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: I mean, this wo listens. He likes you. He's an

862
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: amazing cook. I mean, I mean, you're a great cook.

863
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: And I love that about you. Well, thank you, well,

864
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 1: thank you for cooking because I hate it. So anyway,

865
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: he has this dinner party and I'm sure the guests

866
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: are all excited because they're going to have this dope

867
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: meal by Governor Morris for the best chefs in the country.

868
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 1: And in his diary he wrote, I marry this day

869
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: and Carrie Randolph, no small surprise to my guests. Surprise

870
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: sound like an April and Andy from Parks and Rex

871
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: surprise wedding at a party, or like Steve Martin in

872
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: our in our Steve Martin episode, go back and listen

873
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: to Steve Martin in The Dating Game where he threw

874
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: a surprise wedding for his party with like Tom, thanks

875
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: some people there, right, And he married an Anne too,

876
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: didn't he? It wasn't Anne and Ann's for days. Well,

877
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: if you're an Anne and you didn't get a surprise

878
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 1: celebrity wedding in your thirties, then then check in because

879
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: you deserve it. It's an established an. Uh So, Yeah,

880
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: the guy who was banging unhappy wives and multiple countries

881
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: was finally getting a wife of his own. Um and

882
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: in true governor of fashion, he did not pick anybody

883
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: boring because Anne had a crazy story of her own.

884
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: Oh and and Carrie Randolph. She was the daughter of

885
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: a very powerful Virginia planting family. She had twelve siblings.

886
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 1: When she was young, her mother died and her father

887
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: remarried a rich friend's daughter. Apparently despite this girl's objections.

888
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: The wife, the girl he was marrying, she was about

889
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: Anne's age, which was around sixteen years old. That might

890
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: have been one of her objections if I can guess. Yeah, right,

891
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: and herself had a lot of suitors and she was

892
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: described by her biographer Alan Pell Crawford as quote a

893
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: fetching girl with a little upturned nose, a gift for

894
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: self dramatization, remarkably little in the way of discretion, and

895
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: oodles of sex appeal. Sounds like a recipe for Governor

896
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: Morris right. Um And and her stepmother, who was sixteen,

897
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: did not get along, probably because they were both sixteen.

898
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: Yeah to to sixteen year old girls in the same

899
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: house never get along, how weird. And then like her

900
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: stepmother had to like probably take precedence the household matters

901
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 1: and shipped like a mother would, and it's like, you're

902
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 1: my age, you're my age, and I've been here longer,

903
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: so don't start talking to me. How about things need

904
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: to be A lot of us have seen legally blonde,

905
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: and we know what happens when you marry someone your

906
00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: daughter's age. She gets shot anyway, So when was around nineteen,

907
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: she got the hell out of that house and she

908
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: went to live with her sister, Judith, and Judath's husband

909
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: and cousin, like not her husband and her cousin. Her

910
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: husband was her cousin, Richard Randolph. It's a it's not

911
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: nice when you marry somebody and you don't have to

912
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: change your last name. Right, We're all Randolph's here. It's fine. No,

913
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I'm I'm Judith Randolph, and I can't

914
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: wait to be Judith Randolph. Mrs Judith think she just

915
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: wrote her own name in her notebook all the time.

916
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: People didn't think anything of it. They're just like, why

917
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: are you writing your name over and over again? She's

918
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: like one day. So their plantation was called bizarre b

919
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: I Z A r R E. And apparently nobody knows

920
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: why it was called bizarre, like it might be from

921
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: the French word bizarre bizarre, which means more like valorous.

922
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: But the Randolph's never said so. Maybe they were just like,

923
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: this is just a weird ass house. We got a

924
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: girl whose stepmother, her own age lady, married her cousin.

925
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: This place is bizarre, but nobody knows. And people thought

926
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: Anne and Richard were a little too fond of each other,

927
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: and Anne started to gain a little weight, like inexplicably,

928
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: and that kind of started to lead to some speculation,

929
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: some rumors that they were lovers. She and her brother

930
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: in law slash cousin in law slash cousin. I was

931
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: her cousin too. Oh god, yeah, yeah, I guess they've

932
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: already cousin. A lot of Juliani action going on around again,

933
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: we're all Randolph's here, that might be a problem. So anyway,

934
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: all three of them went on a visit to see

935
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: some friends at this different plantation about thirty miles down

936
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: the road in October of and during that night, Anne

937
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: screamed and woke up much of the household. A servant

938
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,919
Speaker 1: said she was ill and EDAs malaudanum, and they tried

939
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: to give it to her, but Richard was in Anne's

940
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: room at this time and he wouldn't let anybody in,

941
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: so he gave it to her. At some point, someone

942
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: and everyone assumed that it was Richard, but they didn't

943
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: see him. Um somebody like hustled down the stairs real

944
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: fast and went outside and then came back in shortly

945
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: thereafter and came back up the stairs. And in the morning,

946
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: blood stains were found on Anne's pillowcase and on the stairs.

947
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: All her bedding was gone, and possibly one of the

948
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: enslaved people on the plantation maybe found the body of

949
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: a dead white baby in the trash, which seemed to

950
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: have been stillborn or or killed upon being born, but

951
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: it was probably like a little bit on the small side. Now,

952
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: rumors started circulating, of course, all over Virginia that Richard

953
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: and Anne had been secret lovers and that Richard had

954
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: killed the baby because it was evidence of their affair.

955
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: Crazy rumor. I mean, that's sucked up, that's that's it's

956
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: quite a conclusion to jump to, and charges were brought

957
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: against Richard. In sev he hired the two most powerful

958
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: criminal attorneys in the country at the time, Patrick Henry

959
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: and John Marshall. Anne's close friend and cousin, Martha Jefferson Randolph,

960
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: testified that she had given Anne some gum guaya cam

961
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: which she thought could produce an abortion, but since Virginia

962
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: law prohibited enslaved people from testifying, the story about the

963
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: body and the trash was never heard, and Richard was acquitted,

964
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: and Anne, Judith, and Richard all went back to Bizarre.

965
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: They sure did. I feel like they were in Bizarre

966
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: the whole time. But it went back to their home.

967
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: But the damage was done and was being called the

968
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: Jezebel of the Old Dominion, which I mean sick burn

969
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: guys like, come on, tighten up your insults and all

970
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: these like rival jokes were made about Richard in taverns

971
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: all over the state. Is basically, these guys are taking

972
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: a lot of heat um, no matter what the outcome

973
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: of the trial was. And then in the healthy twenty

974
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: six year old Richard was suddenly stricken with a mysterious

975
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: fever that turned into delirium and he dropped dead. And

976
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: Anne and Judith's relationship, of course, it kind of soured

977
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: over the years. Studith was letting it burned into her

978
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: brain that maybe Anne had slept with her husband and

979
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: all this um, and Anne was feeling that pain because

980
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: her sister was starting to treat her more and more

981
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: like a servant and probably just being really cutting and

982
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: petty about things. And Richard's brother, John Randolph decided that

983
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: Anne had poisoned Richard and killed him, so he commenced

984
01:01:56,360 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: a lifelong campaign against her, and an eighteen o five

985
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: he told her she's no longer welcome at bizarre He

986
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: basically accused her being a slut and was just like,

987
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: you've been taking liberties all over the estate, like you're

988
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: some kind of tavern winch something, just some mean ship,

989
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, And he was like get the funk out man.

990
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: She needs she needs a friend, she needs a guy

991
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: who will like her and listen to her. So when

992
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: she was thirty one, she's unmarried and penniless, and she

993
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: went back to her family's plantation Tucaho, which was now

994
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: completely abandoned. Like she goes back to this ghost house

995
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: and had to like break off aspen bows to make

996
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: a palette to sleep on, sleeping on pine needles. And

997
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: she would just move from plantation and plantation until she

998
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: finally took a room with a couple who ran kind

999
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: of a disreputable river front amusement park in Richmond, Virginia.

1000
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: So she's literally living with the Carneyes at this court. Okay,

1001
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: and John Randolph would claim that she supported herself with prostitution.

1002
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: Jimmy can't trust him because he was saying a lot

1003
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: of mean ship about and that was not based in fact.

1004
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: And as we have learned through many of our episodes,

1005
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: a lot of recorded history is recorded as an attack,

1006
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: you know. It's kind of how you went after people

1007
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: for a long time and still to this day. So

1008
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: it was a few hard years for Anne until one

1009
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: day she received a visit from her father's old friend,

1010
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: Governor Morris there he is. They had met once at

1011
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: Tuckahoe years before, and now Governor was like, hey, it

1012
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: seems like you're down on your luck. Seemed like a

1013
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: nice girl. You know what, I'm going to hire you

1014
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: as my housekeeper, he says, his conduct is going to

1015
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 1: be proper and respectful. I'm going to pay you a

1016
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: good wage, but our relationship would be as friends. And

1017
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: I just think that's so kind because it's very hard

1018
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: to fall from wealth to penury the way that she has.

1019
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: She has no I mean again, she's told friendless, she's unmarried,

1020
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: she's got nobody to protect her, she's got no money,

1021
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: and you know, I think it's very easy to feel

1022
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: patronized by your other, like your old friends from when

1023
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: you were rich, especially if they're trying to help you

1024
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: and make you feel like charity case or something like that.

1025
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: So I just think it's cool that he was like,

1026
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: we're friend. I'm gonna pay you a wage because you know,

1027
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: I have to it's a job, like to keep up

1028
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: appearances here. But we're friends, and I really just want

1029
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: to help you out. This guy's the best, right And

1030
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: a few months later they would marry in this surprise

1031
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: Christmas Day ceremony, and Anne wore the plain worn housekeeper's

1032
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: dress she always wore for it, which they both loved,

1033
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: and and liked it because she felt like it showed

1034
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: how grateful she was for all his many kindnesses to

1035
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: her over the years, and Governor liked it, probably because

1036
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: it added to the shock of his guests that he

1037
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: was marrying his housekeeper's like, I didn't even give her

1038
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,439
Speaker 1: a new dress to wear. How are we just doing

1039
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,919
Speaker 1: this right now? She's like, you know what, don't buy

1040
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: me a fancy dress. I just want to wear the

1041
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: one that I have. And he's like, yeah, that's good.

1042
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: I like that. They're gonna hate that, and no surprise,

1043
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: the marriage piste off quite a few people. All of

1044
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: Governor's nieces and nephews were expecting to inherit there Like

1045
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 1: this guy, he's always sleeping around, he's banging everybody left

1046
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: and right. He's got he's never going to settle down.

1047
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: He's got probably gonna die early of like v D

1048
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: or something. And we're going to inherit all his ship

1049
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: can't wait. He made a ton of money in Paris, Yes,

1050
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: this is great for us. And then he gets married

1051
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: and they're like, uh, wait a minute, what he's marrying

1052
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: a young woman who he could probably have a kid with,

1053
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: and suddenly we won't inherit his shed anymore unacceptable. Governor

1054
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: had written, if I had married a rich woman of seventy,

1055
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: the world might think it wiser than to take one

1056
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: half that age without a farthing. And if the world

1057
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: were to live with my wife, I should certainly have

1058
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: consulted its taste. But as that happens not to be

1059
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: the case, I thought I might, without offending others, endeavored

1060
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: to suit myself and look rather into the head and

1061
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: heart than in the post the roasting that's happening so good. Oh,

1062
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: everybody thinks that I should have married a rich lady instead. Well,

1063
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 1: if everybody was marrying my wife, I definitely would have

1064
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: asked them, But I didn't because they're not Yeah, I

1065
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck what you think, and just because

1066
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: you want my money, like, oh, okay, yeah, let me

1067
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: give a funk what you think. No, I don't think.

1068
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 1: So this guy's amazing. Of course, Anne regained some social

1069
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 1: prominence because of her marriage to this rich, successful guy Governor,

1070
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: and she was with him when he advocated for the

1071
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: building of the Erie Canal. Hey I know that. Hey,

1072
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: we all know about the Erie Canal. I've been to

1073
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: the Erie Canal. I grew up pretty close to the

1074
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: Erie Canal. Well, there you go. No, we went and

1075
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 1: saw it. It's super cool. Yeah, and you had to

1076
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: build it. Feat of ingenuity. Also, yes, canals, man, we've

1077
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: talked about that before. Canals we take them for granted,

1078
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: but they are They are pretty ingenious. Well, and this

1079
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: one was particularly Governor's brainchild, Like he was talking about

1080
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: it at a dinner with all these New York politicians

1081
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: like I have a dream one day that the freaking

1082
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 1: waters of Hudson will mix with these other waters. And

1083
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: they were like how and He's like, well, I don't

1084
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 1: know rivers do it. Why can't we just build one

1085
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: of those basically, and they were like what, I'm just

1086
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: blown away. And it just became this big passion project

1087
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 1: for several men because of Governor. And in the whole

1088
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: song I've Got a Mule, her name is sal fifteen

1089
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: years on the Erie Canal never once mentioned his name.

1090
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: So musicians of the world, please stop leaving Governor Morris

1091
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: out of out of your stories. He was chairman of

1092
01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 1: the Erie Canal Commission from eighteen ten to eighteen thirteen,

1093
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: and in eighteen eleven he was one of three men

1094
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 1: to lay out the grid plan for Manhattan. So he's

1095
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: fully shaped New York like he was right in the

1096
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 1: Constitution years ago. Now he's building the canal and building

1097
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 1: the street map. I mean, essentially, why isn't this guy

1098
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: on a bill like a monetary bill Exactly what a

1099
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: cool founding father too, because he actually was not a

1100
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 1: slave owner as well. Anyway. He also passionately opposed the

1101
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 1: War of eighteen twelve. He thought it was immoral and unwinnable. Um,

1102
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: he called President James Madison a sexless drunkard, just like,

1103
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: I don't think that's either of those really come into

1104
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: play necessarily about the War of eighteen twelve. But that

1105
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: was funny. He's like, I'm just sliding this in there,

1106
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: just twisted the knife to add insult to my insults.

1107
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 1: He even cheered on federalists who wanted to secede from

1108
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: the country, but by eighteen six team he was telling

1109
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: them not to contest that year's election, saying, if our

1110
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 1: country be delivered, what does it signify whether those who

1111
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 1: save it where a federal or a Democratic cloak, which

1112
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: I think just is a lot about his personality. I mean,

1113
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: this is a person who he was willing to work

1114
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 1: towards some really big goals, but we did not only

1115
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: care about the glory. He's not putting his name all

1116
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 1: over a bunch of ship. He's not seeking office. You know,

1117
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: we don't know. You know his name is on the

1118
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,600
Speaker 1: Erie canal. But he's just like, I just want to

1119
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 1: get the work done. I don't really give a funk

1120
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: if y'all know me or not, and if I'm wrong

1121
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: or if I lose, if the thing happens, I'm happy,

1122
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: I don't. He doesn't have to be me that does it.

1123
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 1: We're all trying to get the same thing done here,

1124
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: got different ways of doing it. Yeah, maybe lin Manuel

1125
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,639
Speaker 1: Miranda was like, I could tell that he doesn't want

1126
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: they So I'm not going to write him in just

1127
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 1: to be respectful. I don't respect it all right, Um,

1128
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 1: I say that we go call in and ask about it.

1129
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: And while we do that, we'll give you a quick commercial. Rake.

1130
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Welcome back to the show. Everyone.

1131
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: In February oft and gave birth to Governor Morris the

1132
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,600
Speaker 1: second Jr. I guess that was like if you were

1133
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: an aristocrat, like the second sounds fancier than Jr. Junior junor,

1134
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: and this would have been Governor's only child. Now the

1135
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 1: Morris nieces and nephews are even more pissed because suddenly

1136
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: there's anofficial heir to Governor's fortune. John Randolph, who by

1137
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,799
Speaker 1: this time is living in Roanoke between congressional sessions, reading Byron,

1138
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: taking opium, and obsessed with his vendetta against Anne, wrote

1139
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: a letter that got circulated around everywhere, dredging up the

1140
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: old scandal and adding some new ones in as well.

1141
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 1: She'd killed her child, she killed his brother, she was

1142
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 1: plotting to kill Governor Morris, and John ordered her off

1143
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,640
Speaker 1: the plantation because she took enslaved people as lovers, like

1144
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,600
Speaker 1: all these just like, well, this will cause him outrage,

1145
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 1: this will really dampen her rep Like he was really

1146
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 1: out there on a on a total smear campaign against Anne,

1147
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 1: totally slanderous, yes, and he just wanted Governor to leave her.

1148
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 1: He just wanted to wreck their marriage. But Anne struck

1149
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 1: back with a letter of her own that it was

1150
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 1: even more widely circulated, particularly among John Randolph's political enemies,

1151
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: and all in all, she came out ahead on that one.

1152
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: People were way more likely to take Anne's side. Yeah,

1153
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: she basically just rebutted every single point, one by one.

1154
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 1: And she was like, no, I was engaged to my

1155
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 1: other cousin who died in sevento I was pregnant with

1156
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: his child it was still born. Why don't you go

1157
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: funk yourself. She was just like, boom boom boo. Good

1158
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: for you, Anne, stand up for yourself. And yeah, even

1159
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: if any of that had been true, I'm not sure

1160
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 1: that Governor would have left Anne because it's seems that

1161
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: they were really truly in love. Um. He was in

1162
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 1: Stillwater where much of the Battle of Saratoga was being

1163
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: fought in eight th when his son was born. So

1164
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 1: he sent Anne this cute little poem which takes us

1165
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: on down the poetry corner where we're going to hear

1166
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: this beautiful little love poem from Governor Morris. Kiss for me,

1167
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 1: my love, our charming boy. I long to taste again

1168
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 1: the joy of pressing to the father's chest. The son

1169
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 1: and mother be they blessed with all which bounteous Heaven

1170
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: can grant, And if among us one must want of

1171
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 1: bliss be mine the scanty lot your happiness made, no

1172
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 1: dark spot of gloomy woe, or piercing pain or melancholy

1173
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: ever stain. It's a simple little poem, but it's nice sweet.

1174
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 1: I feel the love in that poem. Two years after

1175
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: Governor's death, An would send this poem to Columbia University's magazine,

1176
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: telling them that after the poem was written quote Mr

1177
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: Morris and myself were never absent from each other except

1178
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: for one night. Richard Brookheiser believes that she wanted to

1179
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 1: show the rest of the world a side of Governeur

1180
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 1: that only his close friends and family knew about. Near

1181
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: the end of his own life, he wrote, I lead

1182
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,759
Speaker 1: a quiet and more than most of my fellow mortals,

1183
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: happy life. The woman to whom I am married has

1184
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: much genius, has been well educated, and possesses with an

1185
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 1: affectionate temper, industry and love of order. Our little boy

1186
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: grows finely and is generally admired. You may, then, opening

1187
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 1: your mind's eye, behold your friend as he descends with

1188
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: tottering steps the bottom of life's hill, supported by a

1189
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 1: kind companion, a tender female friend, and cheered by a

1190
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 1: little prattler who bids fair if God shall spare his

1191
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: life to fill in due time the space his father leaves.

1192
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 1: A See, I'm not this guy. In his words so

1193
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: good you should have written like the Constitution. But I

1194
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:15,679
Speaker 1: think it says a lot. He clearly really enjoyed talking

1195
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 1: with her. They had a lot of comment. I mean,

1196
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:21,600
Speaker 1: this wasn't just like a pity marriage or um. And

1197
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: I don't think he was cheating on her either, which

1198
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: says a lot I've gotten here. I mean, of course,

1199
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: you know he's older now, so maybe it's harder to pull,

1200
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But but it's still I

1201
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 1: think says a lot that he was so loyally. But

1202
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: by eighteen sixteen governor years health had begun to fail.

1203
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: He had gout, which was messing with his organs. By

1204
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 1: by the age of sixty four, he was bedridden at

1205
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 1: his family home in Morris, Sania, New York, which is

1206
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: now the Bronx, and he experimented with lots of remedies.

1207
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 1: He did animals, blood letting, laudanum, herbal infusion. I mean,

1208
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 1: you know, he was like, give me elder, but extract

1209
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: fiber mactin whatever whatever it was out he was trying whatever. Okay,

1210
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,759
Speaker 1: they didn't have they didn't have like better medical science

1211
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 1: back and they just had to take whatever they could

1212
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 1: write right, right and clearly like something wouldn't work, so

1213
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 1: he would try something else. So he would try something else.

1214
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: And his most pressing issue was a urinary blockage, which

1215
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: may have come from a urinary tract in function. Sorry,

1216
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: major trigger warning for people who don't like medical very gross.

1217
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: I can't, I'm gonna I'm gonna go for a second

1218
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: while Diana tells you the rest of this. I can't.

1219
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: I just can't. Here, you go go ahead, okay, now

1220
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 1: that it's just us. Governor couldn't pe all right, and

1221
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 1: he was desperate for a solution to this problem, as

1222
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 1: you can imagine, and so he tried to clear the

1223
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 1: blockage himself. Oh God, sorry, babe, by inserting a sliver

1224
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 1: of whale bone, possibly taken from one of his wife's corsets,

1225
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 1: into his own urethra. And apparently this was not the

1226
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: first time Governor tried this operation. According to his fellow

1227
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 1: New York politician Rufus King, Governor tried to makeshift catheter

1228
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 1: some years earlier with a quote flexible, flexible piece of hickory.

1229
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 1: And that operation was a success, so he probably thought

1230
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:31,719
Speaker 1: it would work again. But unfortunately, this time he was wrong.

1231
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:36,600
Speaker 1: His inner tissue was torn and inflamed. In the process,

1232
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 1: he developed a penile infection, and on November six, eighteen sixteen,

1233
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 1: he died in the very same room where he was born, saying,

1234
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 1: sixty four years ago, it pleased the Almighty to call

1235
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: me into existence here on this spot, in this very room.

1236
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 1: And now shall I complain that he is pleased to

1237
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: call me? Hence I mean, the guy can't pee and

1238
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: he's still being so lighthearted. Okay, sorry, continue the analysis.

1239
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 1: I was just saying, with his last words, I was

1240
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 1: impressed because you know, I mean, he can't he's in pain,

1241
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:23,640
Speaker 1: he can't pee, he's dying, and he's still like, you

1242
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,640
Speaker 1: know what, I lived my life and I'm happy with it,

1243
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,480
Speaker 1: and I'm not complaining. I mean, just what a relentless optimist.

1244
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 1: You know. He gets his leg ripped off. He's like,

1245
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, you know what, cool I got this cool

1246
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: peg leg. Now I got to save half my money

1247
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 1: on shoes, you know, like burns his arm off. He's like,

1248
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 1: it's a good story. Um, you know, and then he's

1249
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: dying and he's like, well, what am I supposed to complain?

1250
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 1: And a great life? Wow? Pretty cool guy? What a

1251
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 1: what a role model? You know? Right? And you know,

1252
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 1: I mean it must be said, if you live by

1253
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:04,639
Speaker 1: the you might die by the dick, and in this case,

1254
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened. You know. It's tough. It is

1255
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 1: certainly tough to find colonial America, early America era role

1256
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 1: models because even the best of them mostly we're like, okay,

1257
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:24,600
Speaker 1: but you owned people, you know, you like tried to

1258
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 1: or you were shitty to women. Were both You owned

1259
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 1: women and you were shitty to them on top of

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Speaker 1: owning them, which is already shady to them. Yeah, it's tough,

1261
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: but this guy checked all the boxes totally. I'm struggling

1262
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 1: to find anything wrong with him. It could be alive

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01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 1: today and not get canceled. And I have to say

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01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 1: I will say this, uh something else, just about how

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01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 1: fair minded he was, because he really was just very

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01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 1: fair minded. He cared a lot about equality, um, in

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01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 1: terms of like he thought poor people were reptiles. Okay,

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01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 1: he had no respect for poor people, and so there's

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01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: one thing, right, But he also was like, listen, I'm

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01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 1: a gentleman. I'm a property owning gentleman, and that means,

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01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 1: due to my social position, my job is to advocate

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01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: for the human rights of other people, even if they're poor,

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01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 1: and I think they're reptiles. Like even then, He's like

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01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: even then. So I think that's impressive in a way.

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01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 1: I know, it's like laughable that he thought they were reptiles.

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01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 1: That's he's still like, even though I don't agree with

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01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:33,759
Speaker 1: these people, even though I don't think that they should

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01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 1: have everything I have, which is a limitation of his personality. Um,

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01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 1: he still was willing to fight for them to have

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01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 1: the things that he had. Do you know what I mean?

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01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:46,639
Speaker 1: I think that's powerful character. Not everybody has that ability,

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01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,719
Speaker 1: and you know, not to make it to one sided.

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01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 1: I think Anne it's fascinating too. I mean, she sure

1284
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 1: went through it, you know, and she kind of came

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01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 1: out an optimist too. I Mean, this lady was like

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01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 1: homeless living and sleeping and rebranches, uh, you know, going

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01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 1: from town to town while the whole country is like

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01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 1: slandering her and it's these horrible rumors going around. Not

1289
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: to mention whatever she dealt with in that room. Okay,

1290
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: whatever was going on in there, you know, maybe it

1291
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 1: was a stillborn. That's psychological traumatizing. Well, this is her story,

1292
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: is that she grew up rich as fuck. She was

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01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 1: beautiful and expected to marry, probably pretty early in life

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01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: because she had so many suitors and was so cute.

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01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: So then she had a suitor who then died when

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01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 1: she was already pregnant by him. If her story is real, honestly,

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01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 1: then she had to suffer stillborn of that baby, which

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01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 1: would be another tragedy on top of the tragedy of

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01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 1: losing the boyfriend. And then now she's accused of being

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01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 1: a slut for the next twenty years or whatever, like insane.

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01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 1: I'm really glad that they found each other because she

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01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:55,640
Speaker 1: deserved she deserved a govern your she did, and she

1303
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 1: outlived him by twenty one years. She maintained her relationships

1304
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 1: with her Emily, including Judith, her sister. She took in

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01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 1: Judath's son in eighteen fifteen when he was sick with tuberculosis,

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01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,679
Speaker 1: and she cared for him for three months. After Governor died,

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01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 1: she lived at Morrisania until her own death. She considered

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01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 1: her son her richest treasure and she spent most of

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01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 1: her energy making sure that he got a good education.

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01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 1: But thanks to John Randolph, unflattering rumors were still circulating

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01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 1: about her, including that Governor Jr. Wasn't actually Governor's son.

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01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 1: Unbelievably rude, seriously you know what, Yes, John Randolph villain

1313
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 1: of the week. She didn't take these rumors lying down.

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01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 1: She used the press, she got attorneys involved, she got

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01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 1: family friends advice to fight the rumors. And her efforts

1316
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 1: did do a lot to restore her reputation, and I

1317
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 1: hope crushed John Randolph's, right. I think people probably started

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01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: to kind of be like, this guy is so full

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01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 1: of sour grades relentless over it, right. And she also

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01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 1: took on management of Governor's estate, which had kind of

1321
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 1: suffered after his death because of mismanagement from one of

1322
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 1: his stupid nephews, and was like, hell, no, no, no, no,

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01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 1: you're not about to leave my son a huge mess

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01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 1: and a pile of debts, right, I'm not gonna just

1325
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: let this thing crumble. So she got involved, she handled business,

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01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 1: she got things kind of back on track, and when

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01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:28,679
Speaker 1: she died in eighteen thirty seven, Governor Jr. Had Saint

1328
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 1: Ann's Episcopal Church built along the Harlem River in her memory,

1329
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,639
Speaker 1: and it's still there today. The Governor Jr. Himself would

1330
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,560
Speaker 1: go on to be a railroad executive and the founder

1331
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 1: of the original Republican Party. Yeah, that would have been

1332
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:47,600
Speaker 1: the Progressive Lincoln Republican Party, the other Republicans right the

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01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 1: o G Yeah, And I just have to say, you know,

1334
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:52,719
Speaker 1: there's like a whole debate in this country about critical

1335
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 1: race theory or whatever and trying to teach our actual

1336
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 1: history about slavery and genocide of Native Americans and all

1337
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 1: the horrible things that have happened in this country. Um.

1338
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 1: And there's just kind of a lot of pushback on

1339
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 1: that and wanting to you know, more of a patriotic

1340
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 1: which is propaganda by the way, if you're talking about

1341
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 1: a patriotic education, you're talking about propaganda. Um. But anyway,

1342
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 1: I got mad because obviously we should be teaching all

1343
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:26,759
Speaker 1: of this history, the real story. The real truth is ugly.

1344
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 1: A lot of it is ugly, and it doesn't have

1345
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 1: the best human behavior. Um. But it's really important to

1346
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,760
Speaker 1: cultivate a disgust of this behavior. And you can only

1347
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 1: do that by teaching it and going by the way

1348
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 1: we've decided this is wrong and not cool. Um. But

1349
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 1: I also hate it as a white person because it

1350
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 1: erases all the best white people that we have to offer.

1351
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 1: I mean, if you don't teach slavery, you can't teach

1352
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: about abolitionists who were in their own time standing up

1353
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 1: against of really culture, a whole culture. I mean, showing

1354
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:03,640
Speaker 1: contrast someone like Governor Morris against someone like Thomas Jefferson

1355
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 1: really shows us that people were different. It also shows

1356
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:10,640
Speaker 1: us that it wasn't just what you had to do

1357
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 1: back then or just the way people thought. There were

1358
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 1: people actively saying, hey, this is bad, let's stop it.

1359
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: And that means the other guys, we're hearing that and

1360
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:25,719
Speaker 1: saying no. So that's that's really important, and it needs

1361
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 1: to be okay to say, hey, Thomas Jefferson did some

1362
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 1: cool shit. Thomas Jefferson did some things that we can

1363
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 1: still be very thankful for today, like, uh, you know

1364
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 1: those those houses with the columns out front, you know, hey,

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01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: Library of Congress, Library of Congress, lots of great things.

1366
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 1: And also he was like a really bad person who

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01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 1: owned people like enslaved human beings. Um, those need to

1368
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 1: be okay to know together, like we're complex enough thinkers

1369
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 1: to be able to handle that, and I think that

1370
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 1: it God, I don't know. Maybe that's why Governor Morris

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01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 1: isn't as well known through history, because they're like, we

1372
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: start talking about him, and everybody else looks bad. I mean,

1373
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 1: that's I kind of wonder that. I mean, again, he

1374
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 1: doesn't look for glory, so it's not like his name's

1375
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,719
Speaker 1: all over a bunch of ship. But it does seem

1376
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:19,559
Speaker 1: like he had a lot of really important things that

1377
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 1: he was doing to frame this country and totally left out. Insane.

1378
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 1: Maybe they were also like, would also have to talk

1379
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 1: about all these women he wasn't doing. How we can't

1380
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 1: talk about that? Oh man, imagine in fifth grade then

1381
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 1: being like and and then his friend thought he said

1382
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 1: he wished his dick had been ripped off by the

1383
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 1: carriage instead. Whoa, you know what, I would have taken

1384
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 1: a much stronger interest in American history at an earlier age. Okay,

1385
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 1: this is like the trick of teaching all of the

1386
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 1: curse words first in the foreign language class, and then

1387
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:52,639
Speaker 1: you have everyone's attention for the rest of the year.

1388
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 1: And yeah, governor needs his own musical. So curiously, I'm

1389
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 1: not a music writer, Bud Ship, should we just get

1390
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 1: to work. Um, we are musical writers, by the way,

1391
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 1: and one day you'll hear it. Um, but it is

1392
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 1: not this day. But look, I'm amazed by this story.

1393
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 1: I love it was so joyful and fun and hilarious,

1394
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 1: Like he's got such a sharp wit. Also the most

1395
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: horrific thing I've ever heard. I'm so glad he was

1396
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 1: optimistic in death, because otherwise I would say, this is

1397
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 1: the most tragic and horrific death I've ever heard of,

1398
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 1: especially after surviving so much. I was chilling out in France,

1399
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 1: like the worst time to be a rich guy in France,

1400
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 1: you know, very true French Revolution man. Also, like that's

1401
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 1: so much more complicated, and you think it is when

1402
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 1: you when you start digging into it, like, you know,

1403
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:57,680
Speaker 1: I always think it's just lame. Is nobody's singing on

1404
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 1: the streets. There's the bad eyes are the rich people,

1405
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 1: the good guys and the poor people? Um, I guess

1406
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 1: lay mrs you know a little more a little uglier

1407
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 1: than that. But still I feel like it's fairly two

1408
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:14,639
Speaker 1: dimensional when we're like reminiscing romanticizing the French Revolution. But

1409
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 1: there were some heinous things going on. It was very good, gruesome. Anyway,

1410
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 1: that's a whole other episode and a whole another story, right,

1411
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 1: But it is that weird trick that time plays, that

1412
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 1: history plays on you where you know, you when you

1413
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 1: find out that, um, Barbara Walters and Martin Luther King Jr.

1414
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 1: And Frank were all born in the same year, you know,

1415
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 1: that kind of thing is how I feel about the Revolution,

1416
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 1: because it just seems like the American Revolution is a

1417
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 1: whole period of time. Every founder lived and died within

1418
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:48,839
Speaker 1: that period of time, that's it. And they were all

1419
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 1: sixty years old the whole time exactly, when in fact,

1420
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 1: we were talking about some young men, some old men.

1421
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 1: We're talking about people who then had to just be

1422
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 1: lawyers afterward. And I'm sure there were plenty of younger

1423
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:05,719
Speaker 1: men who was like, I'm still sick of hearing about

1424
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 1: the damn Revolution. Everything you've done the Revolution, you know

1425
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 1: what I mean. I was just picturing that and in

1426
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 1: the seventeen nineties where everyone's like, God, I'm always here

1427
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:18,680
Speaker 1: and damn yeah, that's like, well, now I got to

1428
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 1: go do something else now. I guess it's like that

1429
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 1: act too of Hamilton's which is not as good as

1430
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 1: Act one because you know, you get past the revolution

1431
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 1: and you're just like, oh, okay, I guess they're all

1432
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 1: just lawyers talking about writing papers. Now, Okay, it's less exciting,

1433
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna do it yet Act but sure. But

1434
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 1: also side note, Act two of almost every single musical

1435
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 1: ever written is worse than AT one. You know you've

1436
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 1: got because you've probably got all these fun songs in

1437
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:48,559
Speaker 1: your head and that's when you sit down to write it,

1438
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:50,640
Speaker 1: and you write them all and you're like halfway through

1439
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:52,680
Speaker 1: the show and you're like, oh, I guess I had

1440
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 1: to come up with something else. It's all the inspiration,

1441
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 1: all the excitement is an Act one every single time. Yeah,

1442
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 1: And if you have a rebuttal to that, yes, you

1443
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 1: can email us. Please do email us actually, especially if

1444
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 1: you have any thoughts about Governor or musicals or Hamilton's

1445
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 1: or if you're lin Manuel Miranda. I feel Manuel Miranda.

1446
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 1: We totally will tweet from our Twitter account to him,

1447
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:18,720
Speaker 1: So please go alike and boost that signal so you

1448
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 1: can find out what the funk was going on through

1449
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:24,599
Speaker 1: his head. Seriously, to leave this great guy out our

1450
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 1: email adjustice Romance at I heart media dot com or

1451
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 1: if you want to reach us on social media again,

1452
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,680
Speaker 1: like please go, please go, like this tweet that we're

1453
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:36,760
Speaker 1: gonna send to lin Manuel Miranda. You can get us

1454
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 1: Twitter or Instagram at I'm at Oh great, it's Eli.

1455
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 1: I'm at Dianamite Boom and the show where we'll be

1456
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 1: adding all the celebrities that we know I Love Dearly

1457
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:51,600
Speaker 1: is at Riddick Romance. Yes, so, thank you guys so

1458
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 1: much for coming in for this swacky episode. Yeah, so

1459
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 1: glad to hopefully not introduce govin your Morris to you.

1460
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 1: I hope you've heard of him before, but if not,

1461
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm glad you know about him now because I am. Yeah,

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01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 1: me too, all right and we will catch you on

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01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 1: the next one. Can't wait so long, friends, It's time

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01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 1: to go. Thanks for listening to our show. Tell your

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Speaker 1: friends neighbor's uncles in dance to listen to a show

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Roll Dance