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Speaker 1: Welcome to Tuesdays, and they shot a biglue kickoff live

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Speaker 1: here on giants dot com. He's Jeff Feagles, I'm Lance

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Speaker 1: men O. Good to be with you for the next

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Speaker 1: sixty minutes. Two zero one five one three is the

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Speaker 1: telephone number. You could also chiming on the conversation via

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Speaker 1: Twitter hashtag Giants Chat. While the countdown is officially over,

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow the veterans will report and then Thursday they will

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Speaker 1: have their first training camp practice. So we're getting down

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Speaker 1: to the nuts and bolts of preparation for the two

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Speaker 1: Thou remember it so so like it was yesterday. Been

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Speaker 1: almost ten years, by the way, since uh Mr Feagles

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Speaker 1: has gone out, dust the pans and the helmet off now.

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Speaker 1: But I will tell you it's an exciting time for

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Speaker 1: the players because you know they've been I think in

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Speaker 1: in today's world, the way that things are going with

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Speaker 1: that training camp is no longer like it used to

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Speaker 1: be years and years ago, where people really dreaded to

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Speaker 1: come into camp because it was one it was seven

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Speaker 1: weeks long, two days, two days every day, pads, all

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Speaker 1: all the stuff that they do. I think they work

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Speaker 1: And these guys come in ready to go. It's exciting

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Speaker 1: because I'll tell you what, it's um. You get a

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Speaker 1: football was here, you knew that it was time to

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Speaker 1: get paid. Finally gonna start getting always a bonus, which

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Speaker 1: is always a bonus. I mean, just think about anybody

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Speaker 1: So it is nice, but uh, and there's a lot

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Speaker 1: what makes it exciting. Well, and I'm sure from the

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Speaker 1: think the physicality really is the the guys in the middle.

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Speaker 1: And I think that you try to do everything you

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Speaker 1: Speaking of the rookies, the entire rookie classes officially signed,

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Speaker 1: sign right away. To zero one four or five one

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Speaker 1: what's happening? Hey, what's going on? Lands? What's going on? Jeff? Nice? Start?

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Speaker 1: Sami are right? Tonio? What's happening with you? What do

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Speaker 1: the market went up. I want to go back and

429
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Speaker 1: get get the money back. That's not how it works.

430
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Speaker 1: I mean, we make a lot of money on this show, right,

431
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Speaker 1: I mean, we're not gonna go back. I don't want

432
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Speaker 1: to give away all our secrets, Jeff, I leave that

433
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Speaker 1: to you, so I promise you that's not the thing.

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Speaker 1: I remained tight lift when it comes to finances. But

435
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Speaker 1: my point is that I just never did like the

436
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Speaker 1: fact that guys would go back and say, you listen,

437
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Speaker 1: you know you need to pay any more because all

438
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Speaker 1: these other guys are getting paid, like shut up and play,

439
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Speaker 1: and then when you're good enough to get another contract,

440
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Speaker 1: you get into the contract. Well, and this goes back

441
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Speaker 1: to what you just said. It's related to the whole

442
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Speaker 1: guaranteed money conversation because a lot of players are of

443
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Speaker 1: the mindset if the money's not guaranteed, I need to

444
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Speaker 1: make my money when I can. So that's why you

445
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,720
Speaker 1: have this constant conversation and back and forth about renegotiating

446
00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,440
Speaker 1: deals and so forth. Yeah, it's just you know, he

447
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,359
Speaker 1: got them. He got forty something million last time he

448
00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,000
Speaker 1: signed his contract two years ago, which was basically him

449
00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,880
Speaker 1: setting the tone for the wide receiver grouping. And now

450
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, things have drastically changed.

451
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Speaker 1: So it's it's something to monitor. But you know, and

452
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Speaker 1: I know we get a lot of phone calls on

453
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Speaker 1: a daily basis, and I'm sure we will as training

454
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Speaker 1: camp and this easy gets out the way. But I've

455
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Speaker 1: said this time and time again. Number One, Odell Beckham

456
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Speaker 1: is under contract for this coming season. That's not in question.

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Speaker 1: Number two, The Giants always have the franchise tag as

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Speaker 1: a means to retain him if they don't get a

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Speaker 1: long term deal done, and they've used the franchise tag before.

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Speaker 1: So you know, for everybody that says urgency, urgency, urgency, yes, obviously,

461
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Speaker 1: I think if you're the Giants, you want to get

462
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Speaker 1: it over with, so it's one less thing you gotta

463
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Speaker 1: think about next offseason. But the Giants, as a result

464
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Speaker 1: of the salary cap in the rules, they have the

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Speaker 1: means to retain Odell Beckham even if a deal is

466
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Speaker 1: not done. And that's the important part for the next

467
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Speaker 1: two years, this year and next year because the third

468
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Speaker 1: year everyone that gets quarterback money regardless of their position.

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Speaker 1: So you never franchise a guy three years in a row,

470
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Speaker 1: but you could very well do that two years in

471
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Speaker 1: a row, unless you're a quarterback of cars. Well, Levian Bell.

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Speaker 1: Levian Bell got the franchise tag because RIGHTEO with the sales,

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Speaker 1: he's certainly not gonna get it next year. You're not

474
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Speaker 1: gonna pay a running back quarterback money. And that's why

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Speaker 1: in the new rules and regulations in the last C

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Speaker 1: b A. They made it that way to obviously prevent

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Speaker 1: teams from putting a tag on a player in the

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Speaker 1: third strade. Year. All right, let's head back to the

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Speaker 1: phone lines. Bruce, is it California? Bruce? What's happening? Hey,

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Speaker 1: how you doing? Guys? Good? Good? A couple of thoughts

481
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Speaker 1: and questions on on fourth down decision making and punting

482
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Speaker 1: and je I know he loves ever, okay, And this

483
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Speaker 1: is maybe a little like asking the barber if you

484
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Speaker 1: need a haircut, right, But I think that a lot

485
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Speaker 1: of times, UH teams and coaches have started to go

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Speaker 1: for an un fourth down rather than punt, and that

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Speaker 1: seems like consistent with all of the analytics that have

488
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Speaker 1: shown that most of the time that's a better that's

489
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Speaker 1: a better plan you end up with with better things.

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Speaker 1: And I think, you know, maybe the old days we're

491
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Speaker 1: scoring was lass and you know, there was more of

492
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Speaker 1: a concern of it, but but now with the dynamic offenses,

493
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Speaker 1: it just seems like it makes much more sense to

494
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Speaker 1: to go for it more often than than people used to.

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Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of factors that go into it,

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Speaker 1: you know, field position score, you know, all that sort

497
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Speaker 1: of thing, but you know, last year the Giants punted

498
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Speaker 1: times that was more than any football team in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and they went for it on and their fourth death.

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Speaker 1: So I guess the question, which which again is one

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Speaker 1: of the lowest in the league. Um, and they only

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Speaker 1: made it thirty eight percent of the time. I guess

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Speaker 1: what I kind of think is with with with the

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Speaker 1: sequon Barkley with a better line, with the dynamic elements

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Speaker 1: we have, UM, I would like to see him be

506
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Speaker 1: a little more aggressive than they've been historically. And I

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Speaker 1: wanted to get your thoughts. I mean, I know, um

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Speaker 1: uh Shermore last year in Minnesota had the fewest attempts

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Speaker 1: in fourth down last year, and yeah, I'm actually I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at those numbers right now. Vikings had seven attempts

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Speaker 1: on fourth down last year and they only converted one.

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Speaker 1: So that was just I don't know if that's Zimmer

513
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Speaker 1: or whether Simmer you got to take that into consideration.

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Speaker 1: Of course, that's a fair point because the head coach

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Speaker 1: coach call right. So but it just seems to me

516
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Speaker 1: that that the Giants are in a position where they

517
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Speaker 1: should be really a little more aggressive and it would work,

518
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Speaker 1: you know a little better. I know that may cut

519
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Speaker 1: into the punter's business, but it just feels like all

520
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Speaker 1: too often, you know, we're we're not we're not being

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Speaker 1: as aggressive as we should. And if it feels like

522
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Speaker 1: we should be more up in the maybe, you know,

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Speaker 1: the better teams in the league seem to be doing

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe instead of eighteen percent, they're more up

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Speaker 1: into the of the time on fourth down, they're going

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Speaker 1: for it and their conversion rates are pretty high. The

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Speaker 1: question is is you know, what do you guys think

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Speaker 1: of that? Well, I think to start off with, I

529
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Speaker 1: think it all determines two things. In my mind, how

530
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Speaker 1: good your defense is, okay, because I think that's a

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Speaker 1: big That's why I think that Zimmer, knowing that, probably said,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go

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Speaker 1: for it on fourth down. I'm just gonna put my

534
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Speaker 1: defense out there and let them We're gonna punt the football.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is is that, um so that's number one.

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Speaker 1: Number two. It all has to do with the game.

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Speaker 1: I mean where you are, uh and listen. I think

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Speaker 1: that maybe you go for it a little bit more

539
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Speaker 1: at the beginning of the football games the rather than

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Speaker 1: the ends, because at the end, you kind of understand

541
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Speaker 1: where what where the game's going, either behind their head,

542
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Speaker 1: whatever you want to do. But um, I think that

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Speaker 1: with today's offenses, you can become very creative and game

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Speaker 1: plan against certain defenses to to convert plays. To look

545
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Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl. You know, they come out and

546
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Speaker 1: they throw, you know, they throw. The Egos were one

547
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Speaker 1: of the probably I don't know if they're not in

548
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Speaker 1: front of you, but I think they were one of

549
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Speaker 1: the top teams going for it on fourth down attempts,

550
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Speaker 1: which was second most, and they had the best conversion

551
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Speaker 1: rate of the most six Yeah. So just think that

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Speaker 1: you said the Giants were thirty eight percent. Um, that's

553
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Speaker 1: pretty low, and it's considering that's almost well, the Giants

554
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Speaker 1: were thirty eight I don't mean, Jeff, but in fairness,

555
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Speaker 1: they had twenty one attempts on fourth down, which actually

556
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Speaker 1: was the sixth most in the NFL. Yeah, so the

557
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Speaker 1: convergent all the fourth downs they faced because they punted

558
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Speaker 1: ninety five times, that's of course. Yeah, which, by the way,

559
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Speaker 1: if we can still keep piling on this, this this

560
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Speaker 1: conversation goes to show you how bad they were on

561
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Speaker 1: first and second down. Okay, because their third and their

562
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,959
Speaker 1: third and longs converted. They were third and longs. They

563
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: had to punt ninety five times. Therefore they only went

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Speaker 1: for an eighteen percent of the time, and then their

565
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: play selection was horrible and they converted thirty eight percent

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Speaker 1: of them on fourth down. But I think creativity plays

567
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Speaker 1: a big part in this. I feel like Shermer is

568
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Speaker 1: a guy that will be able to create mismatches on

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Speaker 1: fourth down and be able to gamble a little bit

570
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Speaker 1: more with the personality has on this team. Now, I

571
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Speaker 1: just think last year it just didn't go for it.

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Speaker 1: I thought, you know, you saw how the plays were

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Speaker 1: called and the offense last year, they were They were horrendous.

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Speaker 1: I mean the whole the whole season. Yeah. Well, I

575
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Speaker 1: mean the other thing to take into consideration is, you know,

576
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Speaker 1: over the last few years, this has been a team

577
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Speaker 1: that has struggled immensely in short yardage situation. So when

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Speaker 1: you take that into consideration, and it's not just fourth

579
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Speaker 1: and ones and fourth and two's, I'm talking about you know,

580
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Speaker 1: third and ones and third and two's, and then all

581
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, setting yourself up to now

582
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Speaker 1: have even worse field position, and then you have no

583
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Speaker 1: choice but to punt. I think, you know, piggybacking off

584
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Speaker 1: of Jeff's point. The one thing you have to take

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Speaker 1: the consideration, Bruce, when you want a team to be

586
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Speaker 1: aggressive is field position, Because I mean, it could be

587
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Speaker 1: fourth in one, but if you're on your own thirty

588
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: yard line, I mean, I think you're gonna punt. If

589
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: you're around midfield, I think it's something you consider based

590
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Speaker 1: on how your defense is playing and how will your

591
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: offensive line is performing. A field position is huge in

592
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Speaker 1: the national football leage. The last thing you want to

593
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Speaker 1: do is give a gift to a team where, forget

594
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Speaker 1: a touchdown, you perhaps are just giving them a free

595
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: look at a few old goal and then that could

596
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: be the difference of winning and losing a football game.

597
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: I would not be personally in favor of a team

598
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: constantly taking chances and you're giving one first down to

599
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: the opposing team and they're already at field goal. You

600
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: put a lot of pressure defense a lot over time.

601
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: I think your defense will be coming to regret everything

602
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: that the offense is doing on four down. And before

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Speaker 1: you know, another thought for you, and see what you

604
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: guys think of this, Uh, you know, watching the Giants

605
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: return punt return program is like truly torturous. Uh. You know,

606
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Speaker 1: I I look back and I think four of the

607
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: last six years we're in the bottom ten percent of

608
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: the league. Okay, on on punt returns. Um. You know,

609
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Speaker 1: I kind of subscribed to Mike Tomlins, Anthony Brown, Antonio Brown,

610
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, put your stars on the field. Odell Beckham

611
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: is the most exciting punt returner I've seen in fifty

612
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: years of watching the Giants, you know, And and it

613
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 1: just feels to me like, um, if you if you

614
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: can put the ball in his hand. He has great hands,

615
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: so he's doesn't fumble. Um, And you just always are

616
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: putting your opponent in a questioning mode of what you're

617
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: gonna do? What do you guys think of that? I

618
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: like it. I like it, and a lot of people

619
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Speaker 1: are going to agree with me. I like it because

620
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: of just what you said, your best player on the field. Okay, Now,

621
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Speaker 1: do you have to do it a hundred percent of

622
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: the time? No? Okay, But I feel like I can

623
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Speaker 1: tell you this when I when I was going up

624
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: against an opponent that had a like an amazing punt returner. Okay,

625
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: Devin Hester, Guys, like that, you change your game plans. Okay,

626
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: so you want you want the team to know that

627
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: third team is going to be back there. Okay, he

628
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: may not be back there every single time, but you're gonna,

629
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: damn you're gonna prepare for him to be back there. Okay,

630
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: and you're telling the punter to kick it away from

631
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: him or do whatever you can not to let him

632
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: make a play because you know this, We all know this.

633
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: I know this for a fact that the palm returners

634
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: in today's game are better than the eleven guys and

635
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: I say ten guys because the punter is not running

636
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: down they're making tackles. He's a better athlete than the

637
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: ten guys that are running down there to make to

638
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: tackle him. And in this case, there's no question in

639
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: my mind that number thirteen is a way better athlete

640
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: than anybody covering. And just make him make a play now.

641
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: I would also say to O'Dell Beckham, understand this. I

642
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: need you to make a play, but I also need

643
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: you to be very smart. Okay, So if you get

644
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: if you fair catch the ball, I'm okay with it. Okay,

645
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: if you get a chance to return it and there's

646
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: nothing there get out of bounds, get low, pick your spots. Okay,

647
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna lean on

648
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: you that if you can make a play, do it,

649
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: but if not, be very careful. And I'm gonna agreement

650
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: with Jeff Bruce. I also am in agreement with you.

651
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: I always bring up Antonio Brown as an example. Mike

652
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: Tomlin never hesitates. He puts his best player out there.

653
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: I remember when old Tell Beckham was utilized, if you

654
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: remember a few years ago in the Cleveland Browns game,

655
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: and then he wound up what returning it twice and

656
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: they were both called back. I mean you could see

657
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: listen in a flash, he's cable to take it into

658
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: the house. So you know, I have always before that

659
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: we have bucking and the back penalties because he bounces

660
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: all over the field so much, you know, But he's

661
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: exciting to watch and each can change a game and

662
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: in an instant, you know. And I'm not making the

663
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: argument from an optics standpoint. I'm just making the argument

664
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: from what you pointed out. You're talking about he is

665
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: the by far the best overall talent in terms of

666
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: the return game. Why not give him opportunities. I think

667
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: if you could find the middle ground where you're not

668
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: utilizing him on every single punt, but you're taking chances

669
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: with him here or there, I think that's going to

670
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: help the team in the long run. Okay, And a

671
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: third real quick question. I wanted to get your guys

672
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: thoughts on um. I think Durrell Scott in two thousand

673
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: and eleven was the last time we faked the punt

674
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: that scored a touchdown? Uh. And the question I had is,

675
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, a guy like Barkley is a good blocker,

676
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: and and if you put him as a protecting blocker

677
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: on a punk formation, every single team you play will

678
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: have to think that you may be running a fake

679
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: punt to Barkley. What do you guys think of putting

680
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: him back there in that position? What? What? What? How

681
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: do you how do you look at that? All right,

682
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: Bruce said, will let you go on that note as

683
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: we answer that question. Appreciate the phone call, Thanks so

684
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: much awaiting. I think it's I think it's very difficult

685
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: for the fact that, look, we're looking at say Kwan

686
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: Barkley as a three down player. Okay, so and now

687
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: you're asking him to go on fourth down two and

688
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: run down and cover. I know he's young, I know

689
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: he's healthy, and I mean I know he's he's like

690
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: it gets you know, but I think it's a lot

691
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: to do that. And I think that, um, you know,

692
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: you need a guy there that is a little more

693
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: fresh that can run down and and and cover. I

694
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: agree with you. Plus you're probably going to ask him

695
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: to come in on third down as a pass protector.

696
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: How many hits do you want to expose him to? See,

697
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: there's a difference, Jeff in putting Oldell Beckham out there

698
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: is a punt returner versus having a guy block where

699
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: you know he's gonna get hit. Beckham can run out

700
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: of bounds if if Barkley is the protector, he can't

701
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: run out of bounds. He's there because you want him

702
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: to protect so And the other thing is that usually

703
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: that's a that's a guy that's on the bench and

704
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: it has his wind and he just he didn't just

705
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: get done running a twelve yard out and the bar

706
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: was thrown to him and now it's fourth time. Is

707
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: gonna run all the way back and now he's gonna

708
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: have to get in. You know, I know that he's

709
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: doing that every play anyways. But it's just like it's

710
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: just a build up of thing. So bottom line is,

711
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's a position. I think that's

712
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: a good it's a good point that teams would have

713
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: to defend against it, and which, by the way, I

714
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: would love because they're never gonna rush me if I

715
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: was punting. If it's the Kwan Barkley is, they're always

716
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: going to be okay. So that's a good thing. But

717
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: I just think in the grand scheme of things, I

718
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: think it's one part where you just say, you know what,

719
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: we're not gonna I would rather have the Kwan Barkley

720
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: returning kickoffs and him being a personal protector on the punt.

721
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm with you there, and I think you might see

722
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: him returning some kickoffs this year, right, They'll give him

723
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: an opportunity. I mean they've been utilizing going back to

724
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: the spring. They were rotating guys in every which way,

725
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: whether it be kickoffs. Hunter Sharp is another guy who

726
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: has received a lot of work. I mean, Cody Lattimer

727
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: obviously is a special team guy that has returned experience.

728
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: So I think they're gonna continue to test the waters

729
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: out in the preseason because the more options you have.

730
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: Sterling Shepherd's another guy I would throw out there. Then

731
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, obviously you're peper on the roster in respect.

732
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: And I agree with the caller. You know the fact

733
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: that you know, the return game, Dwayne Harris was a

734
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: guy that came over there. He was supposed to be,

735
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: you know, the next coming and I think that he

736
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: did a good job until he started getting hurt. You know,

737
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: the first season dynamic, Yeah, touchdown, kickoff return for a

738
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: touchdown and then never never saw anything after that. Tough player,

739
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: by the way, just an amazing tough guy, but just

740
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: never So yeah, that's something missing. And I think that

741
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: the special teams is going to have to be a

742
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: lot better than they were last year. I think there

743
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: might have been dead last last year in the league

744
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: and special teams category. Well, and it's interesting you brought

745
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: up Harris. Remember Harris was unique, Jeff. He played on

746
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: all four teams. He was just as important in coverage

747
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: as he was in the return of great gunner is

748
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: a great gunner kickoff return? Uh, you know he played

749
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: returner and the punt returner and then on the punt team.

750
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, said back to the phone lines. We've got

751
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: Pete on Staten Island. Pete, welcome to board. What do

752
00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: you got for us? Pete? Doing over there? Pete? I'm done? Good?

753
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: Are you done? I know you, I know you love

754
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: that job. I do. I wanted to talk about two things.

755
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: One that the uh what is it Connor bowin you

756
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: And just just before you go on, Pete, before you

757
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: go on about Connor Barn, we just want to make

758
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: it clear nothing official at all from the Giants perspective.

759
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: We are aware of the media reports, but nothing official. Okay.

760
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: So well, you know, having said that, I think it

761
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: is a fact. Okay, you know you go back to

762
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: get these early present okay. Uh. You know when he

763
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: first got hired where he said basically, you never have

764
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: enough town and I don't care what position is, never

765
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: have enough and you can never have enough competition. And

766
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: he's sticking to that blueprint. And I gotta love that, okay,

767
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 1: um uh. And I also like the fact different facts.

768
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: He's sign that he has played with his hand, that

769
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: his head now for the ground the head. Yeah, he's

770
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: he's played both ways. He's been in a three four

771
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: system for the majority of his career, going back to

772
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: when he was with the Houston Texans and then as

773
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: well as with the Eagles. So their versatility aspect is

774
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: there when it comes to him. There's no doubt about that. Absolutely.

775
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: And the second thing I wanted to bring up is

776
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: the the same Fields signing. If I'm not mistaken, uh,

777
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: the Giants have Uh where are you care the compensis

778
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: or pick in two thousand nineteen. I think it might

779
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: be uh at worst at fifth rounder at talk rounder?

780
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 1: Am I correct on that? I'll explain what I think

781
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: you're talking about two thousand, two thousand nineteen, You talk

782
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: about that, correct? I think you're right about I think

783
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: that was through the alec Ogletree trade. If I'm correct

784
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: that they received an additional pick, I have to look

785
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: that up as confirmation. But I leave. You may be right,

786
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: but you can continue to make your point. We expect. Okay,

787
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: Well was it It It wasn't a competitory pick. I think

788
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: what you're talking about is an additional pick that they

789
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: got as a result of that trade because because either

790
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: were fifth or four well, because competitory picks are not

791
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: decided until obviously free agency ends in everything, right, yeah,

792
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: right now? My point is this, if now I don't

793
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: hope you guys read the report on what Walter Football

794
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: had as a grade on Sam Bille. Their report was

795
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: a great A plus and they expected him to go

796
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: uh in the two thousand nineteen draft at the end

797
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: of the first round. Now, now having said that, if

798
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: that's the key with forward thinking by getting what he

799
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: actually did was give up a three for a five.

800
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: So in a forward thinking kind of looking at it,

801
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: I think it was a various stute um and uh

802
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: and uh you know obviously deal as wall we know that,

803
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: and I'm not so sure he's going to get a

804
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: lot of playing time this year. But if Walter is correct,

805
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: you've given up a three four five with the potential

806
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: of having a top first round a possible top first

807
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: round pick. What are your thoughts on that? Guys? Where's

808
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: the three for the five? I'm losing you with the fifth? Well,

809
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking it up. It was two thousand seventh round pick.

810
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: That's what was involved in the alec Ogo Tree trade. Okay,

811
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: So I yeah, well I that was the three for

812
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: the five? Was bet you you've basically given up a

813
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: third round pick. Right now, Walter has ingraded going in

814
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: the first round. We ended the first, So in actuality,

815
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: you've really given up a third for a seventh. I

816
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: thought it was a fifth, and with the potential of

817
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: having the player who graded out in the first formb so,

818
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: so the forward thinking kind of feel, I think that

819
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: it was a earliest bosom and the correlation would have

820
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: been more to the three five it de correlated in

821
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: becoming or or if they hadn't graded that high eight well,

822
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: I mean personally, I mean, I think you're just making

823
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: it way too complex that it needs to be. The

824
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: way that I look at it is. Yes, he wasn't

825
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: projected first round pick. They're thinking, if we get him

826
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: in this year, by the time two thou nineteen rows along,

827
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: he's going to be that much more experience than polished

828
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: because he would already been in a camp throughout the

829
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: entire season. And it's good value meaning that if you

830
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: could get him now and all you're doing is sacrificing

831
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: a third round pick for next year and he's gonna

832
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: be ahead of the curve, it's just a good value decision. Period.

833
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: And again, if there was if there was a fifth,

834
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: and I thought it was was somewhere where was it okay?

835
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: So in actuality. The way I looked at it was

836
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: you've given up a three five, So it's just a

837
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: lot of stuff for me. Well, you guys have a

838
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: great day. Thank you over thinking I am. I'm looking

839
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: forward to Candy. I can't take out Peter. Appreciate the

840
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: Vhote call. Thanks so much for awaiting. I think it's

841
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: a good thing. I actually I disagree. I think he will.

842
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: I think he will be on the field. This guy.

843
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: I think he will. I think I I like him.

844
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: I think that he I think the team likes him,

845
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: and I think that they, Like we said before, in

846
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: this program, there's not a lot of supplemental draft picks

847
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: out there. And when they go after these guys and

848
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: they're going to spend a pick on them, they think

849
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: that they're good enough to do it. So, you know,

850
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: and I think the value is there a third rounder

851
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: this year, it would have been a first rounder, and

852
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: you don't even know if you would have got him

853
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: next year. It was some other team might have taken.

854
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: Of course, because don't know where you're gonna draft in

855
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: the first round. You have no idea about your position.

856
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that was part of the And if

857
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: if he's Uh, you know if he's if he's kind

858
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: of said that there was going to be a late

859
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: first round pick, then you know, maybe that's a good thing.

860
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: You would have been picking late first round. That means

861
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: good for this two thousand eighteen season, you know what

862
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: I mean. But you just you can never predict the

863
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: future in the bush. You got him now for a

864
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: third round pick, and that's the value that you put

865
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: on him. And I think that you know, when uh,

866
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: they have to, you gotta put a value on these guys.

867
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 1: We feel that this third round or is a good

868
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: is a good pick for him. Well, and here's the

869
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: other thing to take the consideration with Sam Beale. Most

870
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: players that may come in after they're taking in the

871
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: supplemental draft could be joining a team that you know

872
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: has a pretty rigid look at what they're working with

873
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: a corner. I mean, you know, you got four or

874
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: five six guys that you feel good about that you

875
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: know we're in place, and you're just gonna let them

876
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: compete to just rearrange your depth chart. Here he's walking

877
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: into a situation, Jeff, where I mean even the number

878
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: ones that his point. Eli Apple's look at the bounce

879
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: back gen or Jenkins coming off an injury. William Gay

880
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: is a veteran, but nothing's locked up there. And then

881
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: everybody else behind him, some guys haven't even been in

882
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: the NFL for an entire So that's my point. That's

883
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: why I think the guy, I think that's why he's

884
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: going to compete. He's definitely's encouraging for him. That That's

885
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: basically what I'm laying out here. Yeah, and and again

886
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: I always go back I said to this earlier, is

887
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: that the fact that he didn't come into this draft

888
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: wasn't because that you know, he he just he had

889
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: some things going on at school, so he wasn't. He didn't,

890
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, and I don't know the whole story here,

891
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: but there was a reason why he was in the

892
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: supplemental draft, and it wasn't because he was you know,

893
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: had offseason. He was like offseason was it was strictly

894
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: academic credits and so you know, let's put all that aside.

895
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: So people can bring that stuff up, but that's not

896
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: the case. The fact of the matter is that the

897
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: guy can play football. He's a big guy too. You know,

898
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 1: he's six foot eight pounds and that's a good size

899
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: for a cornerback. All right, let's head back to the

900
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 1: phone lines. Mark is in Chicago, mars to Hey guys,

901
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: football is in the air. Oh my god, hey, no

902
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: disrespect a Lance. I do want to address a couple

903
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 1: of questions to Jeff and Jeff, I know, we picked

904
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: up Dixon from Denver, and maybe you could give us

905
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: a preview of, you know, what type of kicker is,

906
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: what kinds of things we should be looking for in

907
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: the preseason, because I think he is the favorite. Is

908
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: he one of these Australian type kickers? More directional kicker?

909
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: And also what do you think the impact is a

910
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: moving from Denver to New York obviously mile high to

911
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: sea level. Yeah, I think that one of the reasons that, uh,

912
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: the Broncos got rid of Riley Dixon's because they had

913
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: the opportunity to sign the guy from the Raiders. Um,

914
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: uh what's his name? Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

915
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: Hello now, So that kind of made him a little expendable.

916
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: So I think that the Giants picked up a kid

917
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: that's this is his fourth or Marquette King, so you know, listen,

918
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: he Marquette King averages forty nine yards a kick in

919
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: Oakland I can't imagine what he's gonna do in Denver.

920
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: So segueing that too to your question about the altitude,

921
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 1: it does make a difference. Okay, um, the ball sales

922
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: out there. But I think what you're getting from Riley

923
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: Dixon is a guy that's um hash has experience. Okay,

924
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: he's learned to put in the league. Is going to

925
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: be in his fourth or fifth year. I think it's

926
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: his fifth year coming up out of Syracuse, so he's

927
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: kicked in bad weather before, even though he's been in

928
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: the dome up there at the times. But um, I

929
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: think what you're gonna get out of him is he's

930
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: a good directional guy. He's not an Australian rules football guy,

931
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: but he can kick that Austin Ausse rule kick, not

932
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: like Wing Wing had all these different types of Ausse kicks.

933
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: But I think the biggest thing on him is he's

934
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: gotta get a little bit more consistent and hopefully that

935
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 1: will be the case. But he's got a strong leg

936
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: and he can do he can direction. He can direction

937
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: very well. So that's what you get out of him. Well,

938
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: I'd like the experiences his wing I think was sort

939
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: of new at it. Ever, since Green Bay, I think

940
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: the dude lost his confidence to him. That happens rolled

941
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: until last year. That's what happens. Okay, all right. The

942
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: other thing, Jeff is, you know you've been in the

943
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: locker room, you've been at the negotiating table, and I

944
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: sort of wanted to address an O b J contract question.

945
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: You Um, you know a lot of guys are on

946
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 1: Twitter with their hairs on fire, their hair on fire

947
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: that you know we aren't signing O b J to

948
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: a contract. And I was on the year yesterday and

949
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: I threw a thought, O b J, if he's close

950
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: to a percent, I think he wants to get a

951
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: little bit more plain time than we might sink, so

952
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: he can prove to the Giants he's fully back capable.

953
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: He's the old obi J, or maybe an improved ob J.

954
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: Even he's more mature. Um. I think from the Giant side,

955
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: they'd like to see that. I think one of the

956
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 1: things is that they're a little nervous about his past

957
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: antics on the field, which I think maybe keeping them

958
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: from moving forward a little bit. But I guess my

959
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: real question is, you know, when you're negotiating a contract

960
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: like this, you know from a player's perspective, What is

961
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: it that you're really looking at? Because when you look

962
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: at obviously the guaranteed money is changing and that's going

963
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: to be more. But you know, if you look at,

964
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: you know, the opportunity to play in New York or

965
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: l A. I mean, you might be willing to take

966
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: less money because you're off field opportunities are going to

967
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: be a lot more. I mean, obviously you're looking at

968
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 1: the organization. You know, when it really gets down to it,

969
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: you know, he wants to be the highest paid Ever,

970
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. He's probably going to be the

971
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: highest paid receiver. But by how much? I mean, when

972
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: you're looking at a couple of million dollars over five years,

973
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: does it really make that much difference? Well, I think

974
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: you're looking at two different things here. So one the

975
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: first thing is that Odell is still under contracts, So

976
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: I think that and he knows he's going to be

977
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 1: here for two more years because if they don't sign

978
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: him this year, they're gonna franchise him next year. So

979
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: that isn't in my thinking. You've gotta if you're O'Dell,

980
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: you have to understand that and what what you want

981
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: as a player. Number one, you want to know that

982
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: the that the organization is going to be with you

983
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: and that they're that you, that that they want you,

984
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: they're going to take care of you. Um, they've they've

985
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: looked at your your body of work, what you've done

986
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: for the organization in the last three or four or

987
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: five years, however many years you've played for them, okay,

988
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: and the fact that you do you want to finish

989
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: your career there? Do they want you to be a

990
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 1: lifetime New York Giant? You know, a guy that never

991
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: got out of the building. Those all are the kind

992
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: of things that mean a lot to the player. On

993
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: the other on the other side of the coin is

994
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 1: that listen, you know, if they're if they're gonna treat

995
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: me a certain way, and I don't like this, and

996
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: I think this is where guys kind of have to

997
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: take a step back and say, listen, this is a

998
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: business decision. It's not so much about you know who

999
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: I am and how my you know what I'm doing

1000
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: off the field. This is a complete business, organizational structural

1001
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: decision about money. And so you can't get your you know,

1002
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: you can't get too upset about what they've been saying

1003
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: now that all these teams will come in low. Just

1004
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: like anything of negotiating, if anybody doesn't for a living,

1005
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: you know, you start low and you move up. So

1006
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: I think feeling comfortable with those types of things, like

1007
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: I said, do you want to you want the team

1008
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: to know that that you as a person, they like you,

1009
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: they want you here, and that they're not just b

1010
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: s and you that this is what are gonna do

1011
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: and they're gonna take care of you. Now, listen, I

1012
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: could I could have asked to be the highest paid

1013
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: punter or the highest paid player in the NFL. You

1014
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: know it wasn't gonna happen. I mean, the highest paid

1015
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: players in the NFL are not wide receivers, They're not

1016
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: their quarterbacks. So I think you gotta get that anything.

1017
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: But I will tell you one thing that I I think

1018
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: that that I liked what I'm seeing about O'Dell is

1019
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: that the fact that he does, I think, in my mind,

1020
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: want to prove that he's the best there is and

1021
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: that he's gonna go out there and work. If I'm

1022
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,959
Speaker 1: O'Dell and I'm in his camp, guys get a little

1023
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: bit crazy because of what happened last year. You know,

1024
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: he could go out and this is his contract here

1025
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: and he's gonna get hurt. That is going to devalue

1026
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 1: him tremendously because we're looking at it right now, We're like, hey,

1027
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: he's coming off of an injury. We want to make

1028
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: sure that he's okay and can he still play. Just

1029
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: think if he went out there and played for this

1030
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: contract for next year and he got hurt again, Oh

1031
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: my god. So those are something It's a tough situation.

1032
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: But the bottom line here is that you as a

1033
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: player want to know that you're welcome and that the

1034
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: team wants you and that they're gonna do everything they

1035
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: can to sign you. But there comes point time when

1036
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: it is a business decision and the organization is going

1037
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 1: to tell you this is it. We're back the truck up.

1038
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: This is as far as we're going and either take

1039
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: it or leave it, and if you don't take it,

1040
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: we're just gonna franchise you next year. Anyways, So the

1041
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: fact that O. B J isn't really saying anything in

1042
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: the media, and assuming he's close to you, know, do

1043
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: they when you're doing this negotiations and the little dance

1044
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: before you really get down to the nitty gritty. Are

1045
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: they sending out the signals that, yeah, we want you

1046
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: to be here kind of thing, and that's why maybe

1047
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: you aren't seeing him other than saying you want to

1048
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: be the highest paid. Is that the kind of thing

1049
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: that's going on in the background. I don't know. I'm

1050
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: just guessing, but in my opinion, I think that the

1051
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: right thing to do is to say, hey, just show up,

1052
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: do what you're supposed to do. Be a team player.

1053
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: That's going to eliminate the distraction right there. The minute

1054
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: you don't show up, it's now becomes the O'Dell Buckham show,

1055
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: and that everything else is lost in the shuffle. We're

1056
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: a new team, we have a new culture that we're

1057
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: trying to establish around here. We've got a new coaching staff.

1058
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: The last thing that we want to have is this

1059
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: is this this hangover of of last year's season, and

1060
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: now we're in a in the contract dispute over Odell

1061
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 1: Beckham and and the whole thing gets lost. You know,

1062
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: when when Gentleman and Shermer started this team, they needed

1063
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: to clean the locker room up, they needed to clean

1064
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 1: the culture out, they needed to get a new taste

1065
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: in their mouth. The last thing that they want is

1066
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: this hanging over their head. And so I think that

1067
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: that's kind of what maybe has been told to Odell

1068
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: is to come in here, you know, mind your p's

1069
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: and q and let's just we'll get this done, but

1070
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 1: let's just kind of move on. And he's also he's

1071
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: been present, like I said, every single thing on the calendar.

1072
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: And and if you compare Odell Beckham to other players

1073
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: across the league, it's been night and day. Khalil Mack

1074
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: of the Raiders has been holding out, Aaron Donald of

1075
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: the Rams has been holding out, Julio Jones and the

1076
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: Falcons is now going to be holding out. David Johnson

1077
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: of the Cardinals held out from their mandatory Minikim, you

1078
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: haven't heard anything with respect Oldell Beckham. It's been all

1079
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: the other players. So I mean he's standing out from

1080
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: the rest because he actually showed up despite the fact

1081
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: that he's entering the final year of his contract. And

1082
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: I think I think it all goes back to what

1083
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: we said earlier in the program, is the fact that

1084
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: I think that Pat Shermer and Dave Gentleman sat down

1085
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: with O'Dell and said, listen, we need to get to

1086
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: know you. We need to figure out what what you know?

1087
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: So they've had this discussion and we want to be

1088
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 1: with you. We want to, We want to You're a guy,

1089
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: you know. We don't want to have this, you know,

1090
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: this relationship that's toxic. We want to have a good relationship.

1091
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: Here's what I want you to do for us. Can

1092
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: you do it? And O'Dell has responded to that request well.

1093
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: I hope the injury situation last year has let itself

1094
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: to him becoming more mature on both on and off

1095
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: the field, you hope, and hopefully this, you know, this

1096
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 1: is a sign that he's there and we can hopefully

1097
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: put this thing the bed here sooner rather than later,

1098
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 1: you know what. Welcome appreciate. I don't think that Pat

1099
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: Shermer really, I think that he wants O'Dell to do

1100
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: his whatever he does after it, that's it's okay, just

1101
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: within within reason, you know, like do your do your dance.

1102
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: But let's just okay, but not get out of hand

1103
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: where it's like craziness, you know, because the guy, the

1104
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: guy just compete. I've watched him at practice and if

1105
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: you talk to any of his teammates, he's a heck

1106
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: of a locker room guy. And he's a heck of

1107
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: a practice player. He's a heck of a football player.

1108
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: On Sundays, he just gets this craziness to him that

1109
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: has to kind of you gotta you gotta just control

1110
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: it a little bit. And I think that maybe I'm

1111
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: hoping that maybe he works on that a little bit.

1112
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: But you never want to have him tell him you

1113
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,959
Speaker 1: can't do these things on the field, just like off,

1114
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: like when it's over, yeah, kind of tone it down.

1115
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: But I still wanted to play football. I still wanted

1116
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: to be O p J. I mean, come on, channeling

1117
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: your emotions, all the emotions, that's what it comes down to. Yeah,

1118
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: he's an emotional guy. Listen, there's plenty of the guys

1119
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: that are emotional when they're in the zone. I mean,

1120
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: look at the Tino. He's very emotional, THO the de Tino.

1121
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: Even though it's funny you brought him up, you know,

1122
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: because when you started going on your little dissertation there,

1123
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: it sounded like I was sitting next to the Tino

1124
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: for a second. I was a bit scared. You know,

1125
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: this old school philosophy can't show emotion, you can't celebrate,

1126
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, that's the Tito went, that's the tin that

1127
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,479
Speaker 1: is and it should be me too. But I'm I'm

1128
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: I'm a realist. No, you're a little bit more because

1129
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: you know what, I understand that what listen, I have

1130
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: I have have four kids that are over the age

1131
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: of nineteen to twenty. I get it. They they don't

1132
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: like to see it. It's a new generation. So I understand.

1133
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be that curmudgeon that that comes so

1134
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: forward and says, you know, way back in mind. You

1135
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: know that's that's not okay, I get it. Do I

1136
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: have to like it? No, But that's the way the

1137
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: game is today. They really do well. My philosophy is

1138
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: if you're not taking anything away from the team, and

1139
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: you're not putting yourself in a position where you're getting penalized,

1140
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: then I have no problem with the emotion that a

1141
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: player showcase. That's why I always said, I mean, if

1142
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 1: you're really gonna put Odell Beckham into the microscope, Jeff,

1143
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: if there's anything you want to get really critical over,

1144
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: it would be what happened with Josh Norman in the

1145
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 1: Panthers game, because that was obviously something that put himself

1146
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: in danger. He got analyze. He got suspended as a

1147
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: result of that. Other than that, I personally have never

1148
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,919
Speaker 1: had any issue because it's not taken away from the team. Well,

1149
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: listen that the league brought back the celebration, So that

1150
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: tells you something about So they're allowing the players to

1151
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: express their freedom. You just have to do it. And

1152
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: it's all about And Tom Coffin was a big he

1153
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: said this all time. It's it's team first. It's all

1154
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: about the team. You can do whatever you want, just

1155
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: make sure it doesn't get in and just get in

1156
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: between the team. And that means penalties and put in

1157
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: your teammates in a bad situation. Having the kicker kick

1158
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: off from the twenty yard line is putting your team

1159
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: and that's where you come back to haunt yourself and

1160
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: your teammates. So that's where you have to draw the line.

1161
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: And and that's where the NFL has drawn the line

1162
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: because even when they allowed players to celebrate, notice they said,

1163
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: you know, if there's any foul behavior that's crossing the line.

1164
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: So it's not as if they gave free rein. They

1165
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: just said we're going to loosen the reins. We're gonna

1166
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: give you the flexibility to celebrate. It's an emotional game,

1167
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: it's sports entertainment. But at the same time you have

1168
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: to understand there's gonna be some restriction on. That's entertainment.

1169
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 1: That's what it is. The NFL is entertainment really, that's

1170
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: why we consume the sport. Absolutely. I don't know if

1171
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: the next phone call will be entertainment. That remains that

1172
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: he's entertaining to hear from Charlie. Charley's in Portland made Charlie. Hey,

1173
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: hey Land, how we do Charlie? I'm good talking about

1174
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: Mr Approachable here I am. Yeah, he'll never hesitate from

1175
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: giving himself a nickname on this program. M guys on

1176
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: Cloud nine all of this Mr Illness, don't give him

1177
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: any ideas, trust me, going a whole ranted a dissertation

1178
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: on that. Hey, look what happens, just as you know

1179
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: what happens if they they're negotiating would say Collins and

1180
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: they signed Collins to a long term extension and they

1181
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: don't sign O'Dell. How is O'Dell going to react to

1182
00:54:54,000 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: that situation? Not happily? Exactly exactly. We could have a

1183
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: big problem on our hands. Problems in fairness though, the

1184
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: safety market is different than the wide receiver market, and

1185
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: it's a completely different position. I get where you're going

1186
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: because I know you're gonna make the comparison that you

1187
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: have two players coming off of an injury, so you

1188
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: want to see both players out on the field before

1189
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 1: perhaps you invest in them. And if one guy gets

1190
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: a deal first, then what does that make the other

1191
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: guy feel? I I see what you're drawing. Connections do

1192
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: when I understand that they're relatable in that way. But

1193
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: that's like comparing the quarterback position to the defensive tackle position.

1194
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: In my mind, wide receivers are going to get a

1195
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: lot of money because of the premium position they play

1196
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: compared to the safety position. And all you need to do,

1197
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: Charlie is look at the safety market this year. Notice

1198
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: how a lot of veterans are still out on the market.

1199
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: A lot of safety has had problems getting deals this year.

1200
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: That's not a coincidence, that's just how the market is

1201
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: played out. Yeah. But the thing is is that for O'Dell,

1202
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: he might feel disrespected that you know that Colins are

1203
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: signed and that's it, and they're not going to sign

1204
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: him or they're gonna you know what I'm saying, I mean,

1205
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: I just think this could be a big problem, an issue,

1206
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: and then Odell and his team are going to have

1207
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,919
Speaker 1: to decide what am I gonna do? Am I gonna

1208
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: sit out? You know? Am I going to sit out

1209
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: the uh the season? Uh at least the first six

1210
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: or eight games, whatever it is. And to draw our

1211
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: attention to this, I mean, it could be a big

1212
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: disaster looming if they If they sign Collins and they

1213
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: don't sign Odell, this is going to be a disaster

1214
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: in the waiting. So I'm just hoping Gelman is smart

1215
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: enough not to do that. We will see Charlie. We

1216
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: would definitely see Charlie is the type of guy that

1217
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: you know, you could look at him at home on

1218
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: the wall. He has like the criteria for the Apocalypse

1219
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: on his wall, and he like just takes down you know,

1220
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: sa Kwan Barkley got his contracts, so he took that

1221
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: down from the Apocalypse wall. And now Odell Beckham got

1222
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: moved up to number one, He's got landed college number two.

1223
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: He's like he waits for the world to come to

1224
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: an end and he gets all nervous and worked up,

1225
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: and then every time somebody else gets a new contract,

1226
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: we take him off the wall, and then he's gonna

1227
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: find something else. Yeah, you know, this guy didn't get

1228
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: a pair of new cleats in a time lead fashion,

1229
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: so we gotta worry about this coming. It's like who's

1230
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: who was like who trying? It's like who's on deck

1231
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: or who's in the hole on the apocalypse. Yeah, I

1232
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: got a question for you. Who is who's going to

1233
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: be our backup long snapper? Because she's getting there up

1234
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: there and no backup long snapper. I don't know. I

1235
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: mean they got to have somebody. What I tell you,

1236
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: these are the things to do that they said who's

1237
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: in the hall or who's on deck? It's the backup

1238
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: long snapper. Now that's who's on deck. There is no

1239
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: backup long snapper. There's nowhere in the in the roster

1240
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: or anywhere that it says backup long snapper. Well, that's stupid.

1241
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: They gotta have something. They should have somebody. I mean,

1242
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: they don't have somebody, you know, like an extra offensive

1243
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: line in probably a tight end or somebody like that.

1244
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: But I mean, I think that Zach will be one.

1245
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: And if they listen, O'Hara was our backup snapper when

1246
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: I was around. He did a fine job, you know,

1247
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: not not the greatest, but he did it, you know,

1248
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: so you can get through a game well. And there

1249
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: was also that year that Dionci remember went on I

1250
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: R and they wound up signing a new long snapper,

1251
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: somebody who had experience. Not now that was a guy

1252
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: from from Yes. No, but what what Charlie's gonna now argue,

1253
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: He's going to be saying that the free agent market

1254
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: for long snappers is not what it used to be.

1255
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: So he's nervous that there's not gonna be anybody to

1256
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: sign it. Week nine. It's something to happen. They should

1257
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: have somebody who is practicing it. But they do, and

1258
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: the purpose is that they do. They do always have

1259
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: somebody in the emergency. And actually, I'll tell you what it's.

1260
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: It's a line it's one of the linebacker. It's can snap, okay.

1261
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: And there's also one other guy that's on the roster

1262
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: that is like a third team linebacker that that you know,

1263
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,959
Speaker 1: he's probably not going to make the team, but hearts

1264
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,479
Speaker 1: because your guy, he's your backup, which makes sense because

1265
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,479
Speaker 1: remember to see as a linebacker himself, and the way

1266
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: that he made a name for himself all these years

1267
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: is because he was a key special teamer. Yeah, all right,

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00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: I just think that's an important backgroup. Charlie, listen, I

1269
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: just want I don't want you to lose sleep tonight.

1270
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: I want you to know that they are preparing somebody

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00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: for emergency circumstances to handle log snapping duties. Can you

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00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: promise me that you're gonna be able to sleep okay tonight.

1273
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: I just want to know, because I don't know if

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00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to be able to get on with the

1275
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: rest of my day. I don't have to ask him, Charlie,

1276
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: I just told you. But if he doesn't make the

1277
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: chees see, I told you that's never gonna be. There's

1278
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: always questioned. See. And then part day, Charlie, what if

1279
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: the sun doesn't come up tomorrow? What are we gonna do?

1280
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: Somethings you address as they cover loog, Charlie. Charlie wants

1281
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: to make sure Charlie go back into your cave up there. Yeah. Yeah,

1282
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: he's prepared for the world to come to an end.

1283
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: Underneath in the basement, he's got an entire batteries and yeah,

1284
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: you got you know, cereal boxes from the year the

1285
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: turn of the entry. It's beautiful up in Maine in

1286
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: the summer. You know you sent us lobsters. That's enough

1287
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: of a long term connection. You know. I don't know

1288
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: if we're ready to make the next move, which is

1289
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: we want to move a little bit closer up north.

1290
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: You know it's been It's bad enough that we had

1291
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: to go through an entire environmental testing with those lobsters

1292
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: just to make sure that they were safe to eat there. Yeah. Hey, hey,

1293
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: I actually have a ticket for one of the camp

1294
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: camps coming up. So I don't know if I'm gonna

1295
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: make it, but I got a ticket just in case

1296
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: I can alight. All right, Charlie, Well let's make I

1297
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: just I just hope that you know, main keeps you active.

1298
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: You don't make don't make it a priority. It's really

1299
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: not necessary to come out to camp. You watch Big

1300
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff live. We'll tell you everything you missed. I promise,

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01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: I know what. I kind of don't want to meet

1302
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: you in person because I have this I have this

1303
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: image of what you look like, So I don't want

1304
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: you don't want I don't want to. Yeah, I don't

1305
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: blame you. I don't blame you. Why tarnish it. See, Charlie,

1306
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: you got a respectable rep you tasition right now. I

1307
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: don't know if I'd want to come on the dark side,

1308
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: but it's always good here from you, Charlie. We appreciate

1309
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: the yes. Boy, I didn't think we were gonna dissect

1310
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: how many long snappers they're on the team. You never

1311
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna cover on this program. We had

1312
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: a couple of special teams questions today. We did well.

1313
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: But Riley Dixon and his style of punting to me

1314
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: is a little bit more relevant than in the event

1315
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: that Charlie is concerned that two guys who have snapped

1316
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: get hurt, So who would be the third guy on

1317
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: the laundry list of things to get? It's a little

1318
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: concerning that we don't have a backup long snapper that

1319
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: goes to show you who we're talking to. Charlie gets

1320
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: concerned stupid the minutia of football. He was a backup snapper. Well,

1321
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: see that's probably what he was angling for. Give him time.

1322
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: You know you took that right from his head. He

1323
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: was angling for that. Oh boy, always an event with Charlie.

1324
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: Well that is gonna wrap things up for us. I

1325
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: can't say that we wrap things up on a high

1326
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: note on this program today, but it is what it is.

1327
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: We move along on a more serious note. They are

1328
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: reporting the veterans tomorrow, so we'll have Big Blue Kickoff

1329
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: live up and running again. We'll get you set for

1330
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: everything all that happened in terms of the testing that

1331
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: they have to go through. The endurance. Now I am

1332
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: not on tomorrow. I believe it's you and John back Thursday. Yes,

1333
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: all right, good, you're not going through the endurance test

1334
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: yourself though. No. Is that something you look forward to

1335
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: or you did not look forward? Did it? You didn't

1336
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:25,919
Speaker 1: look forward to it? But I did it. You did

1337
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: it though, you got through it. The test was nothing.

1338
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: It was getting ready for the test that really sucked.

1339
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: We really did because you had to. You really have

1340
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: to make sure that. The worst conditioning test we ever

1341
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: did was when Eyes with the Eagles with Buddy Ryan

1342
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: and we had what he makes you do. We had

1343
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: we had to run a half a mile. Okay, you

1344
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: had the train for this, I'm telling you, and they

1345
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: had times. My time was two minutes in like forty

1346
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,959
Speaker 1: seconds a half mile, so two times around that track

1347
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: and two minutes in forty seconds. Try it. Just go

1348
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: out and try it. What was what was the time

1349
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: that you had to do it with under Okay, so

1350
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: like the dbs were like two minutes in twenty seconds

1351
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: or whatever. In the linemen were like three fifty. If

1352
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,439
Speaker 1: you ever want to if you ever want to see

1353
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 1: a grown man huffing and puffing, acting like there's a

1354
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: piano on your back making that last turnaround, you should

1355
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: have seen some of these guys. Oh my god, it

1356
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: was and they were diving across the lines. They would

1357
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: be like to to nine. The guys would be just

1358
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: diving across. It was horrible. And the fact is is

1359
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: that it wasn't that football players have to run a

1360
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: half a mile ever in a game. It was all

1361
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: about what I told you. He wanted guys out there

1362
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: training for it because that's that's what he wanted the

1363
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: guys to do. That motivated. It makes sense. Yeah, So

1364
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: all the other ones, there's tons of them that we

1365
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: can talk about, but they are not fun. You have

1366
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: to train for him, but you know, guys, they you

1367
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: have to if you come into training camp. And the

1368
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: way it used to be is if you didn't pass

1369
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: your your first of all you're in the doghouse. If

1370
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: you didn't pass your your conditioning test, okay, do you

1371
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: have to run it again the next day in the

1372
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: morning at six o'clock. If you didn't make it, you

1373
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: run it until you make it. Yeah, they won't let

1374
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: you on the field. No, No, you should make it.

1375
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: They'll let you practice some teams. I know that they

1376
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: get nervous about even that you're going to come on

1377
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 1: the O. Yeah, You're not gonna get out of practice

1378
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: that way. I'm gonna make you come at six o'clock

1379
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: or maybe five o'clock in the morning. Run it again

1380
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: until you make it. There was guys. There was a

1381
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: guy one time. He he must have been seven days

1382
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: in a row. He ran that freaking tests. The eighth

1383
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: time was a charm. But yeah, he got in shape

1384
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: through seven times. I'm sure that the pounds that he

1385
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: was shedding over the course of the week. Yeah, lost

1386
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: the entire person in the process. So that is what

1387
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 1: is on the docket tomorrow and then Thursday will be

1388
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: the first practice. So stay tuned for all the latest.

1389
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: Stay locked. The Giants dot Com appreciate everybody for tuning

1390
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,560
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01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:55,320
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