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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Duddon Zaren Burnette got his question for you, my friend,

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Speaker 2: you know it's ridiculous. I do, well, okay, want to

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Speaker 2: hit me with it?

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Speaker 3: Are you familiar with the Eduardo meme?

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Speaker 4: No, yah me neither. I had to look it up.

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Speaker 4: It's like from some cartoon thing and it starts, well, well, well,

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I've never seen it. I'm not familiar

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Speaker 4: with it. But apparently all the kids, what is it?

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Speaker 2: What is this a cartoon? You said? Yeah, does it

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Speaker 2: look like anything that I would recognize?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: Is it a person? Is it a dog? Is it

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Speaker 2: a It's.

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Speaker 4: From know your meme says it's refers to an audio

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Speaker 4: clip from a twenty ten Ed's World web series episode

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Speaker 4: where a Duardo, peering over a fence at Ed, says well,

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Speaker 4: well well, and Ed sneers back Eduardo, Okay, well whatever,

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Speaker 4: al right, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: I don't care. Sure, but you know who did care?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: Who KFC Spain No not KFC. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: They they came up with something that is inspired by

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Speaker 4: the flavors of the Colonel's original chicken recipe. It contains

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Speaker 4: an aromatic confusion of notes like geranium, mandarin, pink pepper,

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Speaker 4: and bergamont.

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Speaker 2: I don't think any of those are in the original

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Speaker 2: eleven Secret Spices.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's any bergamont up in there.

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Speaker 2: I would hope not.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So anyway this came to us. This tip off

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Speaker 4: came from photographer Christopher McTaggart everyde dude, whose comment was

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Speaker 4: they were so focused on whether they could they never

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Speaker 4: stopped to ask if they should. Yes, And what I'm

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Speaker 4: talking about here is Eduardo, except it's really O Duardo, eau.

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Speaker 3: Like eau like water.

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Speaker 4: Oh, okay, d apostrophe wardo so o Duardo. And let

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Speaker 4: me read to this from my favorite reddit.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and this is in.

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Speaker 4: The Fragrance subreddit by pawcaw. I'm not sure if it's

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Speaker 4: launched outside of Spain yet, but for less than four year, oh.

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Speaker 3: I had to buy it.

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Speaker 4: It's a unisex edt I don't know what that is,

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Speaker 4: with oted toilette with notes inspired by in KFC's secret recipe.

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Speaker 4: So of course it has pepper, but also geranium and mandarin.

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Speaker 4: I haven't been able to find deeper information on this

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Speaker 4: Fragrance notes, but to me it's a very masculine smell

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Speaker 4: and it.

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Speaker 3: Goes on and on.

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Speaker 4: So basically it's a perfume put out by KFC Espanya.

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Speaker 4: It's only available in Spain and the bottle looks like

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Speaker 4: a chicken leg, like a fried chicken. I can't be

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Speaker 4: purchased for I can't get it because it's in Spain.

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Speaker 4: And it says apparently KFC created this whole character named Eduardo,

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Speaker 4: who is a piece of chicken that seems to be viral.

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Speaker 4: There's lost as I am last Christmas, Eduardo was made

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Speaker 4: into a Christmas tree ornament.

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Speaker 2: I have a piece of chicken, not a whole chicken, a.

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Speaker 3: Piece of chicken. But from what I've found, that's not

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Speaker 3: in the meme. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: No, I think they've got moved really far afield of.

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Speaker 4: The chicken perfume. Okay, and that is ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: You got a second, oh yeah, all right, because I

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Speaker 2: got one for you, and then this one is literally

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Speaker 2: for you. It is oh yeah, you know, like like

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Speaker 2: they say, like, oh, I want to win the lottery, right,

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Speaker 2: like winning ten million dollars. Imagine as somebody who did

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Speaker 2: exactly that, they won ten million dollars, and that rare

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Speaker 2: stroke of good luck and it absolutely ruins their life.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Today's stories are exhibits A, B, and C

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Speaker 2: for why I never want to win the lottery. Oh boy,

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Speaker 2: this is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers. Heiss.

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Speaker 2: It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Cou dude, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: The reason why this one is for you today is

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Speaker 2: you play the.

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Speaker 4: Lottery only when the the jackpot is over one billion

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Speaker 4: with a B dollars.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you're always coming into Ridiculous Crime HQ. And you're

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Speaker 2: telling me about how the power balls up to one

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Speaker 2: point five billion or whatever? Did you tickets? Will you

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Speaker 2: go get more tickets?

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Speaker 3: Did you get me tickets?

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, what are you? You always ask me

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Speaker 2: if I got tickets, and I'm like, I tell you

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Speaker 2: every single time, I'm not going to win, So I

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Speaker 2: don't play because I know you can't win if you

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Speaker 2: don't play. I've heard it. But also I know I'm

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Speaker 2: not gonna win, so I don't play.

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Speaker 3: You never know.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it's over one billion dollars.

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Speaker 2: Come on, okay, I'm gonna think from now on After

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Speaker 2: today story I'm gonna start being more honest with you.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to win.

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Speaker 3: Someone's got to win it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, if you won the lottery, like if you will,

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Speaker 2: like one of one of your power balls, what would

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Speaker 2: you do with the money?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god?

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, you got to figure out break

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Speaker 4: it down. I would take the full payout, and then

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Speaker 4: you like, whatever you lose, what is it like a

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Speaker 4: huge chunk to to taxes? So I think that if

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Speaker 4: you're you're like a six hundred million if you win

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Speaker 4: the billions and that whatever. I'm not good at math,

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Speaker 4: So I would like set myself up in terms of

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Speaker 4: like having money just for never having an emergency and

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Speaker 4: not being opened. And I would set up Yeah, I'd

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Speaker 4: set up like my whole family and like a couple

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Speaker 4: of my friends.

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Speaker 2: How would you do this? Would you just give them

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Speaker 2: the money?

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Speaker 4: No, I would set up a trust and then I

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Speaker 4: would figure out some way to have a lawyer convince

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Speaker 4: them that you know, they've come into this money from

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Speaker 4: some other reasons.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you wouldn't even tell them how they got No,

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Speaker 2: So you would just hold the secret for everybody, all

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Speaker 2: becoming everyone around you, becoming.

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Speaker 3: A suddenly they're coming into wealth.

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Speaker 4: They have all these distant relatives dying, and then then

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Speaker 4: you still have millions left over. So it's like you

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Speaker 4: find out that like I would just do little bits

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Speaker 4: and peace is here. And there you find out that

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Speaker 4: like some school, they can't afford the lunch is boom.

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Speaker 4: You at lunches for thirty years now, like you know

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Speaker 4: she do like.

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Speaker 2: The Kenzie Bezos, Scott whatever, but she's just going out

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Speaker 2: and granting hundreds of million dollars in dance programs or whatnot.

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Speaker 4: And like the one thing I wouldn't do is buy

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Speaker 4: a boat. Do you know that she has burned the

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Speaker 4: money if you ever want to buy a boat.

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Speaker 2: She's dedicated herself to giving away all of her billions.

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Speaker 2: I think she's got like forty six billion or something

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Speaker 2: around there. She made more billions than she could give

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Speaker 2: away last year. So's she's having the billionaires problem. And

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Speaker 2: I can't give it away fast enough. You would need

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Speaker 2: multiple lifetimes because that's how fast did a.

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Speaker 4: Crew well And that people don't understand how enormous a

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Speaker 4: billion is, how enormous a million is, but like it's

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Speaker 2: Goy, good job with the zeros. Oh, I'm that I

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Speaker 2: got to do with hypothetical for you. What if I

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Speaker 2: just randomly decided I'm going to go buy some Powerball

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Speaker 2: tickets and surprise Elizabeth, she never see this coming, and

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get producer Dave some too, and I give

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Speaker 2: you guys lottery tickets at like the Ridiculous Crime Holiday party,

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Speaker 2: and you're like, wow, look at that. I can't believe

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Speaker 2: he did that. What a nice guy. You never see

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Speaker 2: that coming. And then the next day you found out

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Speaker 2: that the ticket I gave you one you won like

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Speaker 2: tens of millions dollars. I say, fourteen million dollars. Okay,

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Speaker 2: what would you do then?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'd have to break you off some so you would,

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Speaker 4: of course, why because you gave it to me?

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Speaker 2: Sure, I just wanted to know. I'm new to this lottery.

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Speaker 2: I never imagine winning, so I don't really think about.

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Speaker 3: These like you were the fairy that deposited it in.

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Speaker 2: How want did you break me off?

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you good? Fourteen and let's just

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Speaker 3: ignore the whole tax issue.

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Speaker 2: This is fourteen after taxes, will keep.

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Speaker 3: It two three million.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, look at you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that turned it.

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Speaker 2: That's more than ten percent.

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Speaker 3: That's a good tipper. Yeah, now I really am.

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Speaker 2: You really are. That is why I've seen you are

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Speaker 2: very generous, very kind, even when the service is not good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, because they're having a bad day or something.

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Speaker 2: I like that, and tell yourself a story.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, need to be compensated for having a bad day.

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Speaker 2: Dude, honestly like that. Now, the lottery, we've covered this before.

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Speaker 2: There was the local Pittsburgh celebrity who can you know,

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Speaker 2: conspired to rig the Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 3: Lottery, right, six six six.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've gone over how the lottery began as a

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Speaker 2: and then the stakes. But hey, we want to get

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Speaker 2: in on that action, and they made it legal, right,

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna skip past the history of the lottery instead,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about some winners. Yeah, as of August ninth,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, I have here before me a list

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Speaker 2: of the ten largest lottery winners. Okay, you want to

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Speaker 2: guess how much money that one person has ever won

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Speaker 4: Okay, because I think there was a California one, the

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Speaker 4: one that I didn't win. Yeah, that was over a billion.

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Speaker 4: And is that the South Carolina one?

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Speaker 2: It just recently hits like a one point five or something.

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Speaker 3: No, was that the Is that the highest? That's my guess?

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Speaker 2: Did the highest one is a powerball winner. I'll give

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Speaker 3: Two, okay, And that's not the South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Single ticket winner was in California.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. One point three billion.

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Speaker 2: Two point zero four billion.

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Speaker 4: What I didn't know that? I didn't get in on

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Speaker 4: this one? Can you guys, I would have won it,

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Speaker 4: but I didn't know about it.

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Speaker 2: Can you guess how many of the top ten biggest

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Speaker 2: lottery wins were won by more than one ticket?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, like three once.

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Speaker 2: Just happened once out of the top ten, it was

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Speaker 2: a one point five billion power ball. Three tickets, one

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Speaker 2: from California, one from Florida, one from Tennessee. Now all

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Speaker 2: the rest of this were single ticket winners. I'll just

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Speaker 2: run down a couple of them. One point five eight

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Speaker 2: mega millions. That was one ticket from Florida one point

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Speaker 2: five billion mega millions from South Carolina. That was twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: One point three five billion mega millions that was twenty

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Speaker 2: just because it was one ticket, it doesn't mean the

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Speaker 2: obviously that there was one winner. Sometimes, you know, offices

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Speaker 4: Oh, we had the March Madness thing.

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Speaker 2: Sure, okay, now how did that? Do you guys have

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Speaker 4: No, but I won one year and I won like

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Speaker 4: because I don't know anything about basketball and I just

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Speaker 3: Like that I thought was cool.

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Speaker 2: So nobody had helped you. Nobody could say, hey, give

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Speaker 3: No, and I won the whole thing nice, all right?

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Speaker 2: Now, do you know how many lottery winners wind up

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Speaker 2: National Endowment for Financial Education, seventy percent of lottery winners

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Speaker 3: See, the first thing you do is get a lawyer,

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Speaker 2: I will cover that later on. I'll go through how

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Speaker 4: We get a lawyer, then you get an accountant, you

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Speaker 3: Have the experts do it?

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. You get yourself like a I'm not sure

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Speaker 3: Sure, here's my thing.

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Speaker 4: When you're talking about multiple people winning, then how do

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Speaker 2: Such about this. Okay, So my first lottery tale for today, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: We're gonna go with the unexpected. What happens when a

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Speaker 2: They already have money. So we definitely imagine that between

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Speaker 2: Jack Whittaker. He won three hundred and fifteen million dollar jackpot. Wow, yeah,

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Speaker 2: big on y Andy. Now he won on Christmas Day?

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Speaker 2: How wild would that be? Right? You feel special?

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Speaker 3: Have you seen that Hallmark movie?

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Speaker 2: No? Is there a Hallmark? It's a Christmas Day miracle

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Speaker 2: for a millionaires.

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Speaker 2: So the year was two thousand and two. An old

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Speaker 2: Jack Whitaker. He lived in a place called Hurricane, West Virginia.

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Speaker 3: Oh heavens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was smart about money.

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Speaker 3: I said, there's no ocean front.

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Speaker 2: I wondered how they got the name Hurricane. I totally

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Speaker 3: A tribute to the boxer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exact. It's like Iceland and Greenland were like, we

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Speaker 2: So I don't know what we would be better, the

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Speaker 3: Annual, I do lump some because I don't know how

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Speaker 2: Really, I thought it's like I get more money.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I looked into it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what if they go under.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean, like what the state goes under Mississippi.

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Speaker 2: I don't know Florida.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what's happening in this world. To give

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Speaker 2: I'm cashing out. Well, the jack quicker, he's like you.

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Speaker 2: He took the lump sum payout, and now why he

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Speaker 2: and he got to giving Now, he told the New

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Speaker 2: I can do with this right now. They remember, as

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Speaker 2: I said, he was already a millionaire. So when he

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Speaker 2: He did a round of national morning show interviews. He

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Speaker 3: Yes, like he has a family private exactly it.

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Speaker 2: So after taxis the dude get ends up getting one

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Wait, what was his So three hundred and.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen million wins gets one hundred and seventy one time

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Speaker 3: Ten Yeah, yeah that's the thing. So you win like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say whatever, you know, it's more than I have.

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Speaker 2: And anyway, what happened to this doubly made millionaire, well

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Speaker 2: he'd torn up the ticket. Oh but that's not all

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Speaker 2: this lottery winning man. He had way more of a

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Speaker 2: He struggled with drinking and gambling. His home and car

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Speaker 2: thieves broke into his Lincoln Navigator and stole a briefcase

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Speaker 2: stuffed with two hundred and forty five thousand and three

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Speaker 3: There's a lot going on in that last sentence. Theres

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Speaker 2: But he got lucky with that last sentence. The briefcase

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Speaker 2: but that wasn't it. Old Fortuna was not done with

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Speaker 2: Now you may be thinking, but Sarren, what if it's

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Speaker 2: what if it's like a rather normal couple who may

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Speaker 2: or may not be from West Virginia. Great question, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: such a.

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Speaker 3: I'm so proud of myself asking.

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Speaker 2: That a couple. There's the idea that they could balance

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Speaker 3: You done? Did it? Okay?

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Speaker 2: They were not millionaires. In fact, when they had less

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Speaker 2: million dollars. Look at that, Rhoda. Hallelujah. Right. They decided

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Speaker 2: to the toss. Would receive six hundred and sixty six thousand,

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Speaker 3: Okay, so that is the the double devil exactly. We

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Speaker 2: Going, they're double deviling down on the money. So what happens, Well,

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Speaker 2: according to Rhoda, it caused us to lose a lot

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Speaker 2: leaving Rhoda alone to face two years in federal prison

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Speaker 2: for tax division. Like she's al Capone?

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Speaker 3: Oh no?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, by the way, you know what I learned

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Speaker 2: he was a banjo pick Like, is that wild?

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Speaker 3: Never heard that?

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Speaker 2: And also Alcatraz had like a weekly in house jazz band.

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Speaker 2: That's I've never heard that? Have we never heard that? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean, let alone that al Capone's leading the gig

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Speaker 3: Wild?

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Speaker 2: I got one more for you, Denise ROSSI this one's

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Speaker 2: my favorite has a little of everything. It's short, okay. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Denise Rossi wins the lottery, she decides she's gonna make moves, namely,

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Speaker 2: she divorces her husband of nearly twenty five years. She

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Speaker 2: But that's still life changing money. Sure, this was nineteen

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Speaker 2: But she didn't let him know. She divorced him, so

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Speaker 2: that way she was able to file for divorces successfully

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Speaker 2: but he has hard proof because in his hot little

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Speaker 2: of those annuity bio companies. So what does old Tommy

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Speaker 2: He sues her, He takes her to court, and we're

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Speaker 3: Did she win when they were still married?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Okay, well then yeah, you can't just get it quick

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Speaker 2: Won it while they were legally wedding.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, community property, unity property.

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Speaker 2: And then she divorced without disclosing her true finances, which

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Speaker 2: is not legal or los So nineteen ninety nine, a

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Speaker 2: Denise had violated state of California's asset disclosure laws for

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Speaker 2: was like, I'm pamp discussing her winnings. She's like, I

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Speaker 2: want all this man's cash anyway. But wait, the best

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Speaker 2: detail I said for last. In his court filing for

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Speaker 2: his lawsuit, Tommy Rossi attempted to express how much he

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Speaker 2: and his wife had shared, how close they were Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: He testified the quote, we even shared the same electric toothbrush,

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Speaker 2: ew I'm sorry, what sir, We didn't need that. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: old Tommy Rossi. He had since purchased a new toothbrush,

441
00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,400
Speaker 2: and he asked They asked him how he was doing

442
00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,800
Speaker 2: with all of his ex wife's ill gotten gains, and

443
00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,679
Speaker 2: he told the supermarket rag if it wasn't for the lotto,

444
00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,400
Speaker 2: Denise and I'd probably still be together. Things worked out

445
00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,760
Speaker 2: for the bestow somehow. That's like an extra cold diss

446
00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,120
Speaker 2: Like either way, Denise loses in this scenario. So anyway,

447
00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,600
Speaker 2: So I got some other stories for you about the lottery,

448
00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,320
Speaker 2: the guys win lotteries, other things happened to him. Elizabeth,

449
00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,480
Speaker 2: let's take a little break. I'll let you refresh, and

450
00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:23,480
Speaker 2: I'll be back in a second.

451
00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:47,720
Speaker 5: Excellent, All right, Elizabeth's you ready for the story of

452
00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,720
Speaker 5: William Budd Post Ready?

453
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:54,800
Speaker 2: Like all these guys have nicknames post Anyway, I'm gonna

454
00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:55,400
Speaker 2: you know, I know.

455
00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,120
Speaker 4: You wanted to be Dizzy, but how about we call

456
00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,800
Speaker 4: you Bud for a while, just like test Drive its Bud.

457
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:01,840
Speaker 2: This is like my friend is trying to bring back

458
00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 2: a one. He's like he's been asking me he sends

459
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,720
Speaker 2: me text messages. Have you been using a one? I'm like, what?

460
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:07,520
Speaker 5: No?

461
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:08,919
Speaker 3: Like awesome?

462
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like you know that's a one, man, I don't.

463
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,399
Speaker 2: He's also trying to bring back Bitchin and I'm like,

464
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 2: what is up with these things? Yeah? Trying hard, I know,

465
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,879
Speaker 2: I'm telling him. Anyway, This one it's kirby and it's

466
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,680
Speaker 2: dangerous when wet, So you're ready buckle up. This one.

467
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,320
Speaker 2: It starts in Pa. It's a place called Erie, Pennsylvania.

468
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 2: I've heard of that, Yeah, right by the lake Lake Eerie.

469
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 2: You ever hear of it?

470
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:30,480
Speaker 3: I've heard of that.

471
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, big one. I guess so. Erie, Pa was but

472
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 2: posts hometown by the great old lake. Now it was

473
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 2: also like this theater of abject suffering for him. This this,

474
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 2: this childhood is hometown. He's starting from an early age, right.

475
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 2: His mother passed away when he's eight years old. His father,

476
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 2: overcome with grief, realizing he can't raise this boy on

477
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,200
Speaker 2: his own, gives him up for an adoption to an orphanage.

478
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 2: He never gets adopted, so he graduates out of the orphanage.

479
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 2: Now he's a legal adult and they're like, go make away.

480
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,200
Speaker 2: Were you're so right? Yeah? So he becomes a drifter.

481
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,199
Speaker 2: He whenever he needed work, he'd do hard labor. He

482
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 2: worked usually on oil pipelines in the oil country of Pennsylvania,

483
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 2: which a lot of people forget about. That's one of

484
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 2: our first big oil booms in America, you know, standard oil,

485
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 2: John Rockefeller all that, right, So he becomes a wrench turner. Also,

486
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,119
Speaker 2: he's a spray painter. He gets to work to some

487
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,360
Speaker 2: real fun chemicals, let me tell you. Right, So he's

488
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 2: drifted along, right, he's working it later on as a

489
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 2: truck driver and a cook for the circus, you know,

490
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 2: also for a traveler traveling cables. Yeah. So one day

491
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 2: after he's like, become a car to turner.

492
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,680
Speaker 3: Wrench turner, your job is hitting the oil a ratchet exactly.

493
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 2: I thought you'd like that. He's a ratchet popper. So

494
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 2: keep in mind, Bud Post as I told you've been

495
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 2: a drifter, been a laborer, or a ratchet popper. He

496
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 2: never owned his own home. Yeah, but not only that,

497
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 2: he'd never owned his own car. Yeah. So then he

498
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 2: wins the lottery. Good, right, So what luck? He thinks

499
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 2: Now the year at this point is nineteen eighty eight.

500
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 4: I would think this is a great moment for him,

501
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:02,959
Speaker 4: But you're talking about him.

502
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 2: I know, I feel bad for the old bud post.

503
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 2: When he wins the ticket, he was already an older man, right,

504
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 2: so he's getting on by the paltry sums that a

505
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 2: disability check will give you. So he's living off disability checks.

506
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 2: So the day he wins the lottery in his bank

507
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 2: account was two dollars and forty six cents. Oh yeah, yeah.

508
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,479
Speaker 3: So even the way, I mean, honestly, who among us

509
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 3: hasn't been.

510
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 2: Oh completely, I'm like, you're still on the positive side.

511
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 2: There's no negative in front of that. As you're building

512
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 2: up more and more costs, you're like, oh, there are

513
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 2: thirty five dollars. When's Netflix coming out? Oh no, anyway,

514
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 2: so even the way he won his ticket was a

515
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 2: little sad and strange. He pawned a ring for forty dollars.

516
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 2: Right now, he takes that forty dollars, gives it to

517
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,479
Speaker 2: his landlady, who was also his occasional girlfriend. That's end

518
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 2: quotes occasional girlfriend. Now, if it says in the newspaper

519
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 2: that your landlady is your part time occasional girlfriend, this is.

520
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 3: His landlord with benefits.

521
00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. This is a euphemism for some bleak carnality.

522
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 3: God, oh god, the whole situation.

523
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 2: So he paid her for the forty bucks from the

524
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: pond ring, and she did as he requested. She took

525
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 2: it and bought forty lottery tickets.

526
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I thought it was like, here's for the rent.

527
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: No, I think he's hoping the lottery tickets will maybe

528
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 2: spread a little more on the rent. So in that

529
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 2: massive tickets, one of them hits, but post wins sixteen

530
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: point two million dollars.

531
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 5: Wow.

532
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 3: Wow.

533
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 2: So what does this cat do with this sudden windfall

534
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,679
Speaker 2: of good luck? Elizabeth? Do you think he went and

535
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 2: got like a trust and a lawyer.

536
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 3: And all that.

537
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say no, no, Yeah, So he's almost had

538
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: nothing nice in life materially right, He's now got a

539
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,719
Speaker 2: magic wand that can make nearly any wish come true.

540
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 2: So what are his first wishes? Well, he takes the

541
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 2: annual payments. He receives twenty six annual payments of four

542
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety seven nine hundred and fifty three dollars

543
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 2: and forty seven cents. Smash cut to two weeks after

544
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: he's received his first annual check, he's already spent three

545
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars.

546
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 3: Wait weeks, two weeks, yeah.

547
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: Two weeks. Now, I think I can guess what you're thinking, like, well,

548
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: what's Aaron? What did he buy with this three hundred

549
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 2: thousand dollars in two weeks?

550
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 4: Well?

551
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: Remember when I said his father gave him up for

552
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: adoption at the orphanage. Well, he wasn't an only child.

553
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: His father gave up a bunch of his own children.

554
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 2: He had siblings. So when he finally had something large

555
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 2: to share, he broke some off for his siblings. He's like,

556
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,479
Speaker 2: they went through it with me. So first for himself,

557
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 2: he bought a liquor license. Oh so that way he

558
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 2: could sell booze. And then he bought a lease for

559
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 2: his brother and sister for a restaurant in Florida.

560
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's a that's a.

561
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 2: Solid money maker. Always to a restaurant, they do really well.

562
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 2: Invest may people tell you want to get a restaurant.

563
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: So the next step he had another brother. He got

564
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 2: that brother a used car lot, but he also got

565
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: him the fleet of cars because he had to buy

566
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 2: them separately. He bought the car lot and he bought

567
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 2: all the cars on top of the lot, so he

568
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: gets the whole fleet. Now he's got a used car

569
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 2: lot and a fleet of cars to go with it.

570
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: Then he goes like I should get something for but

571
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: so he buys himself a twin engine plane. Good man,

572
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: you know why I like it?

573
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 3: That's one step away from a boat.

574
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he doesn't have a pilot.

575
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 3: Slice should bought a laundromat, yes, actually.

576
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 2: Is a good one. Make coin on that. That's like what

577
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 2: NFL players.

578
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 3: Are smart to wash it too, Yes, And that's also.

579
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: What good criminals do. So that's where I learned from

580
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: his smart NFL players with money and criminals. So I'm like,

581
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: whe are they putting their money anyway? Now like me,

582
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: he didn't have a pilot's license, but now he has

583
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 2: a plane, so he's like, I'll take care of the

584
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 2: license next. Like now he got a reason to get

585
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: the lion.

586
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 3: Did he know how to fly?

587
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: No? No, not at all. But that's just half of

588
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 2: the equation. He's got the tough half. He's got the

589
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 2: plane all right, So other parts like books and some

590
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: tests whatever. Anyway, six months of him spending money like this, right,

591
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 2: he was officially and legally more than five hundred thousand

592
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 2: dollars in debt. So what does he do now? He's like, well,

593
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: bud Post needs to make some new decisions. So he

594
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: starts to learn that timeless adage that money can't buy happiness. Like, huh, Well,

595
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 2: so he tries to get away from everyone and all

596
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: the their grubby hands asking for money, trying to get

597
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 2: them to buy him things. So he went off by

598
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 2: himself and he moved to oil City, Pennsylvania. Oh yes,

599
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 2: he buys what what I guess you might call a

600
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: mansion in oil City, Pennsylvania. Cost three hundred and ninety

601
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars.

602
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: That's a lot of money.

603
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 2: Very expensive house in the eighties in Oil City, Pennsylvania.

604
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: So he started todom his new home. The local press

605
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 2: began to compare the lottery winner to Jed Clampett of

606
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 2: the Beverly Hill Boys. Right, so, at this point, more

607
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 2: than a year has passed. He's now collected two payments.

608
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: His occasional part time girlfriend and former landlady steps back

609
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: into the picture. Oh, I remember how she bought the tickets. Uh,

610
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 2: she didn't think it was right that he was having

611
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 2: all that fun spending all that money without her. He

612
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 2: didn't his occasional girlfriend, You kid me, leaving her out

613
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: on the wayside. So she sued him. Yeah, there had

614
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: to be some laws she could invoke. She'd find it.

615
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: She got herself a lawyer. She found a lawyer who

616
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: could supply the argument, and he went to court with

617
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: and get her piece of his fortune. Right. Her legal

618
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 2: claim was basically that he promised to split the winnings

619
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: and he double crossed on his promise. Okay, so budd

620
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: Post denies this. He goes to court, he says, so

621
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 2: I didn't promise her anything. Takes three years of court proceedings,

622
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: legal fees, just draining him. Right. After all that time,

623
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: the judge presiding over the case, he ruled that his

624
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: former landlady and occasional girlfriend was entitled to her cut

625
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: of the winnings. Her cut, the judge rule, can you guess.

626
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 5: H.

627
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: Oh a third?

628
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: Yes? Now, because he'd taken the annual payments, he couldn't

629
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 2: possibly pay that all off. He now owes her a

630
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 2: third of sixteen million dollars. Right nineteen ninety two, when

631
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: he was about to receive his annual payment, he refused

632
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 2: to turn it over to the court in protest of

633
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: the judge's ruling. This is his base is fourth payment.

634
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: He was also financially at this point, leveraged to the hilt.

635
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: He's he's got all the debt, he's still renovating his mansion.

636
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: He's desperately in need of money. So the judge freezes

637
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: his assets. Now he has no money. He's like, oh, yeah,

638
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 2: Judge's like, you can't. You can't ignore my court order.

639
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 3: So he bought a mansion that was a fixer upper.

640
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: No, no, he just wanted to change because of course

641
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: he's like, oh, I wanted more stuff. Yeah, he bought

642
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: it off the market. And then he's like, no, I

643
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: need a tile, floors on the walls. So now at

644
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 2: this point he has no money. Again, once again, he's

645
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: totally broke. The judge locked up his assets. So what

646
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 2: does he do now, Elizabeth, Oh god, well, he had

647
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: to sell. So he sells off nearly everything he'd purchased

648
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: that he could resell for a large amount. At this point,

649
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 2: the elder bud post abandoned by his family and sued

650
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: by his former landlady and the occasional girlfriend. Humbled by

651
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 2: the fickle finger of faith, he would spend his days.

652
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: From this is from eyewitness accounts and visitors to the house.

653
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 2: They said he would wander around his sixteen room mansion

654
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 2: in Oil City, Pennsylvania, with his false teeth removed, shoved

655
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: in his pocket of his like on a tattered robe,

656
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: I imagine. And because the new fake teeth he had,

657
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: they gave him powerful headaches and he would then mutter

658
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: to himself like a mantra. I was much happier when

659
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: I was broke. It was much happier when I was

660
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: bro He wanted to be a bum again. He wanted

661
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: to be back on the bum. So fate wasn't done

662
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: with old budd Post, not by a long shot. Bud

663
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: Post had plans of his own. So nineteen ninety six,

664
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 2: he tries to get rid of his wealth. He's like,

665
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: I want to be a bomb again. So he sells

666
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: his mansion in Oil City. That netted him sixty five

667
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. The house was three hundred and ninety five

668
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: thousand he bought it.

669
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 3: He sells it for sixty five thousand.

670
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, leverage exactly. So he auctioned off the remaining

671
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: seventeen lottery annuity payments he had left coming to him.

672
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: He figured the profits from the auction that would cover

673
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 2: his mounting debts and still would leave him something of

674
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: a nest egg. So the auction worked out. The bud

675
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: Post told the Guardian newspaper. Once, I'm no longer a

676
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: lottery winner. People will leave me alone. That's all I want,

677
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: just peace of mind. He's like, let me be poor again.

678
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: So now he says that the the What happens, Elizabeth,

679
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: what do you think occurs for a bud Post?

680
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 3: I don't know.

681
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 2: Well, the very next year he turns his life into

682
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: another one man prices right, showcase showdown. I don't know why,

683
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: but he starts buying everything he wants again. In one

684
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: year's time, he spends two point six million dollars, which

685
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: is basically his whole nest egg.

686
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 3: Yes, so he got he got millions for his He.

687
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: Ended up getting getting about three million dollars out of

688
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: his gouty payments and then he blew it. And then

689
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: he blew two point six million of that. Right, So

690
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: he purchased and I'll tell you not one but two houses,

691
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: a truck, three cars, two Harley Davidson motorcycles, a luxury camper,

692
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: a quarter million dollar sale boat that he kept doctoring

693
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 2: blocks in the Mississippi. That's always, like my grandfather used

694
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: to say, a boat is a hole in the water

695
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: you pour your money into.

696
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 3: Exactly.

697
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: He was going to become a charter yacht owner. That

698
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: was his plan. He'd sale people around the Gulf in

699
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: the Caribbean for a small tidy fortunes. That was that

700
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: was the plan, right, And then in nineteen ninety eight

701
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: he was arrested on that boat and he had to

702
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: serve six to twenty four month prison sentence for a

703
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: six year old assault conviction. He'd finally caught up to

704
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 2: him and assault convictions there and you're you're one, yeah,

705
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: making that's shocking right, Well, turns out he'd fired a

706
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: shotgun at a bill collector all great depression stars. Oh

707
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: then yeah, back in the day there was an oil city.

708
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: He fired a shotgun over the guy's head and that

709
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: was enough for grounds for assault. So under Pennsylvania law,

710
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: they eventually caught up to him. So he appeals the

711
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: conviction in Pennsylvania all the way up to the state's

712
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: Supreme Court. Legal fees draining what little he has left

713
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 2: to no avail. He has to report back to prison

714
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania to serve out his six to twenty four

715
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 2: month prison sentence. After that he gets released, he goes

716
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: back to living on disability payments, having now lost everything

717
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: and seemingly happy once again.

718
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 3: Thank god, So it wasn't for bad luck.

719
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: Seriously, About five years after he first won the lottery,

720
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: Bud Post said, quote, everybody dreams of winning money, but

721
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: nobody realizes the nightmares that come out of the woodwork

722
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: or the problems. So it just goes to show you.

723
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: Biggie Smalls was right, mo, money problem.

724
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: Are you trying to convince me not to buy these tickets?

725
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, is winning the lottery is not necessarily

726
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: the dream that you would think it is. All right, well,

727
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: let's take a little break and then after this we

728
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: will come back and I have the craziest one yet.

729
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 6: Boy.

730
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: All right, Elizabeth, you're ready for some more lottery lutics ludics. Yes, okay,

731
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: just when you thought you'd seen it all when it

732
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: comes to non murderous lottery crimes, because trust, there were

733
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: a lot of the other kind. There were a lot

734
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: of like sure, yeah, but we don't do those stories here.

735
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: So that said, just no going into this next story.

736
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: It has everything and including some heart pounding action scenes

737
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: and possibly a little gun play. You ready, oh yeah, yeah,

738
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: So I say the best for last. This is the

739
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: story of Tonda Dickerson. She was a waffle house waitress

740
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: in Grand Bay, Alabama. Bless you know where that is.

741
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 3: No.

742
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: Grand Bay, Alabama is in the Flora Bama section of

743
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: the country. It's aka the Redneck Riviera. It's right there

744
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: on the I ten where Alabama and the Florida meet, right, okay,

745
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: And basically before you get to Louisiana, the iten goes

746
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: across and it goes underneath Mississippi and Alabama. Yeah, I'm sorry,

747
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: switch that Alabama Mississippi if you want to go in

748
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: order anyway, So that's where they we are is the

749
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: Alabama section. So time to meet our players. We have Tanda,

750
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: the waitress. She had coworkers at the waffle house. Their

751
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: names were Sondradino, Angie Tisdale, Matthew Adams, and Jackie fairyand

752
00:32:58,920 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 2: or Fairley.

753
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: And it's weird Jackie, just checking, okay.

754
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: So they also had a long time customer, Edwards Seaward. Yeah,

755
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: so often Seaward. He would travel east to Florida Alabama line.

756
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: He would cross over so he could buy tickets lottery

757
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: tickets from the Florida State Lottery. Then he'd return to

758
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: Alabama and he'd give the tickets to the waffle house

759
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: employees as tips on his meal. All right, So there

760
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 2: was never an agreement in place if anyone ever won.

761
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: But Seward was working under the idea the assumption that

762
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: if anybody did win, they'd buy him a new truck. Now,

763
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: over the years, he'd given up plenty of tickets as tips. No,

764
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: none of them ever really.

765
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: Something they're making, like two dollars an hour or something.

766
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: Here's a tip. Yeah, come on, Dick, I wouldn't you

767
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: know me? You already know how I stand. I'm keep it, man.

768
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: Just give me the you know, the dollar that that

769
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: costs exactly. Anyway, there was never an agreement in place if,

770
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: as they said, if anyone ever won. Until one day,

771
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: March sixth, nineteen ninety nine, there was a powerball drawing.

772
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: That Saturday night. Seward did his usual stop in Florida

773
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: to get some tickets. Then he hit up the waffle

774
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: house that night for I don't know, a late night

775
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: chicken and waffles and He left an envelope with a

776
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: lottery ticket for each employee that was working that night

777
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: as his tip to all of them, and he wrote

778
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: the name of each employee on their envelope. Right Tonda

779
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: received her, she went home that night, didn't open it.

780
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: She didn't check the winning lottery numbers till the next

781
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: day when she discovered she had all the winning numbers.

782
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: She looked at them while they were all there. She

783
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. She was holding one of the two

784
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: winning lottery tickets that said hers would be worth about

785
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: five million dollars. Now to be exact, that's the one

786
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 2: time payout. It would have been five million, seventy five,

787
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 2: nine hundred and sixty one dollars and seventy one cents.

788
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: Or she could accept an annuity payment each year for

789
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 2: thirty years and that payment those payments rather would then

790
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: total ten thousand dollars. Okay, didn't make sense to me,

791
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: but you double your money. So anyway, these are the

792
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: numbers that reported, and I found these in the legal

793
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: death position, so I know these had to be checked.

794
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: But anyway, she'd want a life changing amount of money,

795
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 2: not just for her, but for her whole family. Elizabeth

796
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 2: because like you, She's like, I'm gonna spread the wealth.

797
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 2: Tonda could not believe her good luck. When she first

798
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 2: realized she'd won the lottery. She contacted her father. I imagine,

799
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: like how you would contact your mother. She contacts old

800
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: Bobby Rest's her father name. She asked her dad, can

801
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: you confirm that these numbers are the winning numbers? Would

802
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: you check? And he's like, yeah, sure, baby, any checks

803
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: and he'd confirmed she had indeed won. They immediately began

804
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: to devise ways to share the money in the family.

805
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: Because you have to understand, unlike some of the others

806
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: we've covered, they did what you would do. They did

807
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: the smart thing. They didn't immediately blow the money. Instead,

808
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: they planned to create a family trust. Yes, exactly your plan.

809
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 2: The Dickerson family, they were a quote lottery family. That's

810
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 2: their own words from their own affidavits. Like they constantly

811
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: point out, like, no, we always planned to share. We

812
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: had agreements we'd buy tickets and I'd have give me

813
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 2: tickets for my birthday, I get them text to Christmas.

814
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 2: So they loved getting tickets. Right now, they long dreamed

815
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: of this moment of them winning. The Dickerson's fine they

816
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 2: did it right now. Now, her dad, Bobby Reese, he

817
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 2: would play his kids birthdays as numbers. Now, obviously because

818
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: a stranger one, it wasn't the kid's birthdays. But as

819
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: they'd always told each other, and Tonday would later, as

820
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: I said, testify in court, our family had always talked

821
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: about it if anywo had won any big amount of

822
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: money in a lottery, that we would take care of

823
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 2: each other or share in the whole family. Now, this

824
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: is your plan, Elizabeth, to the t If you win,

825
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: you plan to create the family trust, share it with

826
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: them a few friends. Correct. Okay, let's see how that

827
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: plays out in real time. On Monday, March eighth, after

828
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,479
Speaker 2: determining that she had the winning numbers, her father, Bobby Reese,

829
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: contacted the Florida State Lotto. Now, in fact, he contacted

830
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 2: Luis Warren, who is the General Council for the Florida

831
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: State Lottery Commission, which is the smartest person you can

832
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: talk to their lawyer. So Miss Warren informs Bobby Reese,

833
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 2: don't sign that ticket, period. Don't sign the ticket. The

834
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 2: reason why would she say that you have won? Why

835
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 2: would do they not want to endorse the ticket? Well,

836
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 2: if the family wanted to share the lottery prize. They

837
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: would need to create a single legal entity and then

838
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: that would claim the prize. If she signed it, then

839
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: she would be on the for herself, right, So they

840
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 2: listened to the General Council. They did as instructed. Bobby

841
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: REESI calls this dude Dwight Reed, a lawyer the family knew.

842
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 3: Read.

843
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: He creates a documentation for Anes Corp. As in an

844
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: S corporation, the corporation where they call it nine milli inc.

845
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 3: Oh God, yes, the going downhill.

846
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: The family members were made shareholders, entitling them to each

847
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: to a share in the winning So Tonda and her

848
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: husband James, they would jointly hold a forty nine percent share,

849
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: not a controlling interest. Nobody would have a controlling interests

850
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: interesting choice, sythena Reese. Tonda's mother, she received seventeen percent. John,

851
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 2: her brother and his wife Laurie Reese, they received jointly

852
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: seventeen percent. Tonda's sister, Jennifer Pierson her husband Larry, they

853
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: received jointly seventeen percent. How did they come up with

854
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: these percentages, Elizabeth, They're kind of weird, right, Well, her father,

855
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: Bobby reeseould come up with the percentages, you know, the

856
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: patriarch of the family old potter familias. He did it

857
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: while Tonda and her husband were pricing new cars. As

858
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: Bobby Reese testified, Don and I and Tonta's husband and

859
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 2: my wife were discussing at the table, and we were

860
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: talking about and I'd figured out that I was making

861
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 2: at the time fifty two hundred dollars something like that,

862
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: about fifty two thousand a year at my company and

863
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: by my income, and I took the nine million and

864
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 2: a percentage to get around that amount, and I said,

865
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: that's what the kids should get, and if they couldn't

866
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 2: live on that, I'm sorry. So that's how he came

867
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: up with seventeen percent. On March twelve, Tonda officially signed

868
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: the winner claim a form adendum, and did so on

869
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 2: behalf of her new family Corporation nine mil inc. So.

870
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: Tana signed the paperwork at the lottery office, and by

871
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 2: doing so, she made the irreversible decision to receive her

872
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: lottery winnings in thirty annual installments of three hundred and

873
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: fifty four thousand dollars every year. Okay, first payment scheduled

874
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: June two thousand, okay. Meanwhile, the incorporation agreement worked well

875
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: for everyone. Family signed it, paperwork, everybody's clean on it.

876
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 2: March eighteenth, nineteen ninety nine, articles of incorporations are filed.

877
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 2: Then all hell broke loose. Oh no, and her life

878
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: was never again the same you see. On March twelfth,

879
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: before the family in corporation paperwork was officially filed, the

880
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: Dickerson family was informed, or the Dickerson Reese family was

881
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: informed by the Florida State Lottery Commission, that there was

882
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: a competing claim on their winning ticket.

883
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 4: I think, okay, I think, I know, ain't Can you guess?

884
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 4: Is it the dude who gave her the ticket as

885
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 4: a tip.

886
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: A little less than two weeks after the lottery drawing,

887
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: all of her now former coworkers at the waffle house

888
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: filed a lawsuit suing Tonda, demanding that she share the

889
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: five million dollar prize. Her coworkers claimed that they all

890
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: had a working agreement that any of them ever won,

891
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: they would all share in the good fortune, and Tonda,

892
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 2: of course disputed that claim. So the Florida Lottery, though,

893
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 2: was willing to listen to her former co workers complaint,

894
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: and her former co workers even hired themselves a slime

895
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 2: ball lawyer. Elizabeth. Now I used slut the term slimeball.

896
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: I don't know this cat, but that's just based on

897
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: what went down and what I read. So anyway, his

898
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 2: name was Steven E. Clements, and he got to work

899
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: to get paid marsh eleventh, one day before Tonda signed

900
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: her lottery payment agreement. One day the lawyer Clement contacted

901
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: the Florida Lottery General Council and Louisa Warren and informed

902
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 2: her that his clients disputed the winnings. Four days later,

903
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: he faxed a letter to the General Council putting it

904
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: in writing, we would request the no commitments concerning distribution

905
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 2: or actual distribution of any funds be made to Miss

906
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: Dickerson or any person or firm on her behalf until

907
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: such time as the issue of actual ownership of said

908
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: ticket can't be resolved between the parties. A bunch of

909
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: legalis to say, don't you dare give her.

910
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 3: That nnell The fact days.

911
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: Too, es right, So the Florida State Lottery Commission was

912
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: legally compelled not to pay out the winnings until court

913
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 2: case was concluded. Now those take a while, and you

914
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 2: got le fish. Anyway. Meanwhile, how much were her former

915
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 2: waffle house coworkers demanding of her winnings? How much of

916
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 2: the percentage do you think they want?

917
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 4: I think they wanted to split fifty, split fifty between them,

918
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 4: eighty percent.

919
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: They wanted eighty percent of her winnings. Everybody goes for

920
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: the pimp amount like everything, I want all of it,

921
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: all right, I'll take eighty eighty percent. Well, the case

922
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 2: went to court. There's I guess it was. There's four

923
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: of them and one of her. So there's split five ways,

924
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: and they get four of them in the twenty percent each.

925
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 2: I guess that's my idea. Anyway, Meanwhile, case goes to court.

926
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 2: March nineteenth, ninety nine, the case was brought before an

927
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: Alabama judge from the Circuit Court of Mobile County. Now,

928
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: the court immediately quote ordered that the parties refrained from

929
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: from any further efforts to collect or attempt to collect

930
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 2: any funds from the State of Florida Department of Lottery. Now,

931
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: when I was reading this, I was like, you're taking

932
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: this to court now, Alabama, You're gonna lose girl. And

933
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: sure enough, on April thirtieth, nineteen ninety nine, the Circuit

934
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: Court of Mobile County ruled that the waffle House coworkers

935
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 2: had a legitimate claim and expectation to share the lottery

936
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: winnings as part of an enforceable joint ownership agreement. And

937
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: we're indeed entitled to eighty percent of the lottery winnings. Wow,

938
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: Tondo was Now she owed her former co workers a

939
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: sum of four million dollars sixty seven hundred and sixty

940
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: nine dollars and twenty cents. Oh my god, and she's

941
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: taking annuity payments.

942
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 3: So she's going to manage that exactly.

943
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 2: So the Florida State Lottery Commission did is instructed by

944
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: the Circuit Court of Mobile County, and rather than give

945
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: anyone the winnings, the Florida Lottery paid two point nine

946
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: million into the Circuit Court Ofmobile County's escor account. So

947
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: what do you do now, your former co workers have

948
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: essentially legally stolen eighty percent of your lottery winnings that

949
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: you plan to share with your family right now. For

950
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,959
Speaker 2: a me, those co workers, I'm just here. They would

951
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: have gotten a late night visit from the kind of

952
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 2: men you never want to meet, and they would have

953
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 2: been like, look, these men would instruct by former co

954
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: wor because if they could have the money or they

955
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: could continue to have access to oxygen, they could have

956
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: one or the other their choice.

957
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: Well, I think you don't have to get so vital

958
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: thankster about it.

959
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: You have to get gangster about it.

960
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 4: Why wouldn't you just say that was one of the

961
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 4: tickets that my dad bought. It wasn't the tip ticket.

962
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. I don't know. I'd rather not

963
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: lie in court. I'd rather threaten somebody in the dark. Personally,

964
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 2: that's my rule. I don't lie to the FBI, but

965
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 2: I will totally show up at your house at three am,

966
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: stand over you in bed, and go do you really

967
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 2: want to rethink your decisions? So Tellando? Though she doesn't

968
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 2: so gangsters all that? Now, said, what did she do? Elizabeth?

969
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: She did something that you would do. Sheied, She appealed

970
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: the decision. So what do you think had happened? When

971
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: she appealed the decision. On May twenty six, nineteen ninety nine,

972
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: her family corporation filed its notice of appeal with the

973
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 2: Alabama Supreme Court. We're taken to the Supreme Court. Trial

974
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: was not short? How about the Supreme Court had better

975
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: things to do. So finally, on February eighteenth, two thousand,

976
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 2: the Albama Supreme Court reversed the lower trials court decision.

977
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: Tonda won back her lottery winnings. So what are her

978
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: former coworker and the slime ball lawyer do now?

979
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 3: To the US Supreme Court.

980
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: They're like, we can appeal too, So the lawyer Clements

981
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: threatens he's going to take the case all the way

982
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 2: to the US Supreme Court, it is if he had to.

983
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: But first, you know, Alabama, so he had to appeal

984
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 2: through Alabama. He filed a new complaint with the Circuit

985
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: Court of Mobile County, and in his new petition he

986
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: alleged that Tonda was in breach of her agreement with

987
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 2: his clients. Clements insisted that Tonda had promised to share

988
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: her winnings with her former co workers, and thus she

989
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 2: was in breach, and he, the lawyer, was entitled to

990
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 2: all the lottery winnings, one hundred percent of it. Oh

991
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 2: he was, he was going to Yeah, he I don't

992
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 2: know how that worked. Smart, I get one hundred percent

993
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: of it. So December two thousand, the Circuit Court of

994
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 2: Mobile County responded to his new claim. They denied it. Okay,

995
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: they're like, bro, come on, go back to law school.

996
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: But the slimeball lawyer, he's not done. He appealed that

997
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: decision to the Alabama Supreme Court, and on September twentieth,

998
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 2: two thousand and two, the court affirmed the lower court

999
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: decision broke the hell out of my court. Tonda was

1000
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 2: determined to be the sole winner and owed her coworkers

1001
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: and their slime ball lawyer zero dolar es. Excellent things

1002
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: were looking good for old time or in a family

1003
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 2: right enter the irs. They're like, now that that's all

1004
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: cleared up, we'd like to wed our rest. So the Irs,

1005
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: they say, claimed that Tonda had failed to file a

1006
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: gift tax return for nineteen ninety nine when she first

1007
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: won the lottery. They're like, you were so distracted with

1008
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 2: all these court cases, you forgot about us. The RS

1009
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: alleged that Tonda had made a gift to her family

1010
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 2: worth two point four million due to her transfer the

1011
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: lottery tickets to the family corp and nine mil. So

1012
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: now the Irs they take her to court and they're like,

1013
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 2: we'd have to drain you with some legal fees. So

1014
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 2: at this point she's spending so much of her winnings

1015
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 2: on legal fees. I feel so bad for her. Anyway,

1016
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 2: the IRS case, it goes to court in twenty ten.

1017
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 3: And they won in ninety nine.

1018
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 2: Two thousand and two is when they approached okay eight

1019
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: years later. So anyway, the court sided with Tonda and

1020
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 2: determined that the Irs, not her, had the burden of proof.

1021
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: In other words, she was innocent until proven guilty. And

1022
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: the court said that Tonda's council had failed to point

1023
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 2: this out in their legal briefs, but we will bring

1024
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: it up for you, And they said it didn't really

1025
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: matter because, as the court ruled, and I quote regardless,

1026
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: we do not need to decide who bears the burden

1027
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: of proof because the parties have provided sufficient evidence for

1028
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: us to determine both that a gift occurred and the

1029
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: value of that gift, and that determination is unaffected by

1030
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: the burden of proof. I think it doesn't matter. We

1031
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: can see what we can see. So the court further

1032
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: ruled that Ton just coworkers. Obviously they had an illegal

1033
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 2: expectation of any enforceable agreement, so the money was all hers,

1034
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: because in Alabama you can't make an agreement based on

1035
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,479
Speaker 2: betting like this. You can't do like a little side bet,

1036
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: like enforceable action, that's like an agreement. So they're like,

1037
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: because it wasn't legal at the time to bet and

1038
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: gamble in Alabama, how can we have any rules for

1039
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: you have an a side action on a Florida state

1040
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: lottery Uh huh. So they said, quote, under established Alabama law,

1041
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: the Reese family agreement was avowed and enforceable agreement, and

1042
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 2: tones transfer of the lottery ticket to nine mil Link

1043
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: was not a gift of the lottery ticket proceeds. They

1044
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: called it straight business. So yeah. And then but they

1045
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: did say, quote, we disagree with the idea that the

1046
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: that the Alabama court did disagree with one aspect of

1047
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: Alabama law. They said, quote, we disagree. We failed to

1048
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: see how a lottery ticket given to a petitioner buy

1049
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: customer at the waffle house where she worked could metamorphois

1050
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: into a lottery ticket owned by petitioner's entire family, which

1051
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: meant that despite the escorp, the winnings were still a

1052
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 2: gift that Tonda owed taxes on because it was hers.

1053
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: She could do with what she wanted, but it's still

1054
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,479
Speaker 2: a gift even she gives it to the escorp. From

1055
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: that point on, the family doesn't know taxes on it,

1056
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: but she owes taxes on the her park. All told,

1057
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: she was ontook for about a cool one million dollar.

1058
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 2: But now the rest of the money was all hers

1059
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 2: and the families. But I left out a really big

1060
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: aspect of the story, Elizabeth. Back in nineteen ninety nine,

1061
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: when Tonda first won the lottery and word got out,

1062
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 2: her ex husband learned that she'd won the lottery, and

1063
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 2: so he came to pay her a visit to see

1064
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: what was up with his kind of her winnings, whining,

1065
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: exactly did you win this? Right? Dude shows up in Flora,

1066
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 2: Bama at the family spread, and when he sees Tonda alone,

1067
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: he springs into action. But you know what, rather than

1068
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 2: me to tell you about this, Elizabeth, I'd like you

1069
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 2: to close.

1070
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 3: Your house as it closed, and I'd like you.

1071
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: To picture it. You aren't a six acre spread in

1072
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 2: rural Alabama. The air is humid, Spanish hangs limply from

1073
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: the trees, the persistent whine of bugs throbs in the air.

1074
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: At the moment. You are a former waffle house waitress

1075
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: named Tanda Dickerson. That's right. You are a lucky lottery winner,

1076
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Nice. And it's just weeks after you've discovered that

1077
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: you've won. Your former co workers have got to sue

1078
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 2: you for you their cut of the winnings. It's still

1079
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 2: that fun period of time. And the week or so,

1080
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 2: just after your whole life has changed, you are alone.

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00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: As I said on the family Spread, your father is

1082
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 2: away with your mother, Your brother and sister are both

1083
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: with their respective partners. It's just you home alone. You

1084
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: are out front hosing down a john boat. The old

1085
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: green fishing boat sparkles in the sunlight where the water

1086
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: hits it. You're lost in the play of light and

1087
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: water for a moment, which is why you don't immediately

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00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: notice your ex husband's truck pull up, nor do you

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00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: hear its engines shut off. You also don't see him

1090
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: climb out of the cab and slow walk towards you.

1091
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: Since your back is to him, you've become aware of

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00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: him when his hand wraps around you from behind. His

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00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: hand flashes in front of your face for a moment,

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00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 2: and then it seals tight against your mouth, preventing you

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00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: from screaming. As soon as his hand is around your mouth,

1096
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: you know who it is. You can smell him that

1097
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 2: familiar motor oil and palm mall smell of your ex husband.

1098
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: He drags you back to his truck backwards. He shoves

1099
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 2: you against the front door. You finally see his face.

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00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: It is indeed your ex husband, Stacy Martin. He smiles

1101
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 2: his ugly, sneering grin, says, you miss me, Tond, I sure,

1102
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: miss you. I heard we done come into some money.

1103
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: Now you try to bite his hand. He lets go

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00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: of your mouth, and then he raises the gun that's

1105
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 2: in his other hand. No, get in, he says. He

1106
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 2: indicates the driver's side door of the truck opens the door.

1107
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: You hesitate. You say, Stacy, you ain't my husband no more.

1108
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 2: I don't know you. Get in, Tonda. Don't make me

1109
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 2: shoot you. Now. You climb into the driver's seat. He

1110
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: walks around, gets in the passenger side, tells you to drive.

1111
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: You turn the truck on. Your mind races as the

1112
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: engine rumbles. You're trying to think of a way to

1113
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: escape your ex. Your ex husband instructs you to drive

1114
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 2: onto the back roads. As you drive, he tells you

1115
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: how I read all about the lodder when is and

1116
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: kind to come see you. I got all these great ideas,

1117
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: and he's telling you about he wants to open a

1118
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 2: bait shop by the old boat launch. Eventually, the truck

1119
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: reaches a wooded area. The tires crushed gravel and acorns.

1120
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 2: You can tell you're still in Alabama, but it's remote.

1121
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 2: There's no one around. No one would hear you if

1122
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: you scream for help. Your ex tells you not to

1123
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 2: get any bright ideas, because if anything were to happen

1124
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 2: to you out here, he inherit a lot of money.

1125
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: You want to argue, but you also don't want to

1126
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: set him off, so you look around for something to

1127
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 2: hit him with. Maybe somewhere to run. Maybe you can

1128
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: swim for it. Maybe you could scratch his face with

1129
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: the truck keys. You're just desperate for thinking. But before

1130
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: you decide what to do, his phone rings. He reaches

1131
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 2: into his pocket to pull out his phone, and that's

1132
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 2: the mistake you were waiting for. You grab for his

1133
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: gun while he's distracted. He slow to react. Your hand

1134
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: rips your gun from his grip. You whip it around,

1135
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 2: slide a finger around the trigger guard, aim his gun

1136
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 2: right back at him. It's my lottery money. Stacy you

1137
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 2: understand me, now, Ton, don't be stupid, get out. Look,

1138
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 2: don't make me shoot you. Now, you wouldn't shoot hold stacy,

1139
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 2: he says. A sneer spreads across his face. You oil

1140
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 2: in your mind at that smile, and then you see

1141
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 2: him make his move. He grabs for his gun. There's

1142
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 2: a struggle, The gun goes off. Your ex husband slumps

1143
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: back against the passenger side door. He says, with utter shock.

1144
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: You shot me, Tonda, you shoot me. A blood stain

1145
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: spreads across his old stained T shirt. The bullet did

1146
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 2: indeed tear into his chest? You hit him? Oh no,

1147
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 2: but the gun is just twenty two, so it's done

1148
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 2: really no damage. He's not dying. He just thinks he is.

1149
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 2: Your ex begs you take him to the er. You're

1150
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: not hard hearted, so you take him to the yard.

1151
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: Of course, as I said, he survives. As you know,

1152
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 2: like the guests, there was no trouble for her, for

1153
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 2: Tonda for shooting him, since he showed up with the gun.

1154
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 2: But there was also, as I pointed out, you know,

1155
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: no murder. As our one percent role, there was very

1156
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: strangely no criminal charges ever filed for this defense against

1157
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 2: the husband.

1158
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 3: Against against Stacy Martin.

1159
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 2: I looked up the story. No criminal charges were filed

1160
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: for Tonda. I'm like rock and roll, Stacy, Yes, kidnapping

1161
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 2: at gunpoint?

1162
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean anytime you use a gun to make

1163
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 3: someone go somewhere else.

1164
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 2: If he would across the state lines, FBI would have

1165
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 2: had his junk, but instead of Alabama's when.

1166
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 4: He was saying, drive, you just gun it and then

1167
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 4: slam on the brakes and send him into the dashboard.

1168
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 3: Because I'm gonna guess that she's wearing a sea god cah.

1169
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: I like that. I gotta work on that now. Alabama

1170
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 2: was like, you know what sounds like. The gun got

1171
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 2: you justice. You're fine, Tonda, and then Stacy, you learned

1172
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 2: your lesson. I think that's basically what happened in court anyway.

1173
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: So there you go. That's the full story of how

1174
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 2: Tonda Dickerson won the lottery and her life went to

1175
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: crap amazing. But in the end, as I said, she

1176
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: and her fan did get to keep the line's share

1177
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 2: of the lottery winnings. And these days, if you're wondering,

1178
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 2: Tonda is still around and she has rejoined the workforce

1179
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: as recently as twenty twenty one, she worked as a

1180
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 2: car dealer at the Golden Nugget Casino in Biloxi, Mississippi.

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00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 3: Nice. Yes, good for her.

1182
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 2: So what's our ridiculus take away? Elizabeth?

1183
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 3: Always for your seatbelt and I'm probably gonna stop buying

1184
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 3: lotto tickets. You scared me?

1185
00:51:59,600 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 2: Did I?

1186
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 3: Did I do it?

1187
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 2: What's my ridiculous takeaway? Thank you for asking? Mine? Is

1188
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00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,720
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