1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. Everybody, 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: what's going on? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky here. 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Nice to be back together again with Bucky after taking 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: a a day to get settled in. And that's because 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: Bucky's overseas over in London. How you doing, Buck man, 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: I'm good. How's everything backstay side? Everything's good man. We 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: miss you out here, but I'll tell you what. It's 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: been fun to see the uh the social media um excitement, 9 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: the buzz with with you being over there. I got 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: hit up a bunch on Twitter by folks saying how 11 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks on Sky Sports over here? This is awesome? 12 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: Uh So look, it's uh you know, I think it's 13 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,639 Speaker 1: only a matter of time before you, uh you go 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: zooming right past the A T N guys and popularity 15 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,319 Speaker 1: over over in England. They're really popular over here though. 16 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: Let me tell you, man, when they pop on uh, 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: the UK crowd loves Greg and Hansas and Westling and Mark. 18 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: We got a lot of ground to make up before 19 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: we can kind of put a dent on the mark 20 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: that they made over here. I feel like we're it's 21 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: recruiting you know, it's like recruiting. We haven't recruited that 22 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: area before, but now we've we've got we've got somebody 23 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: out there doing some some recruiting, and that's that's your 24 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: that's your charge while you're over there, Uh, to continue 25 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: to grow the brand over there. Uh, what we're gonna 26 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: do on the show today. We got a fun interview 27 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: coming up with our with our buddy Mike Mayack. It's 28 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: always great to catch up with Mike. Gonna get a 29 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: chance to visit with him, talk some uh, some NFL 30 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: coaching candidates, maybe even talk about some of these college 31 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: players uh coming into this draft, as well as some 32 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: philosophical things we want to get into with Mike, and 33 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: some changes we might see in the scouting landscape. Gonna 34 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: recap what happened in the Eagles Redskins game, we saw 35 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: it last night, Buck, and we've got a couple of 36 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: other topics to tackle here on the college football front, 37 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: including some big coaching news one uh, one leaving and 38 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: one coming. You're ready to go? Yeah, let's do it 39 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: all right. First of all, let's start Monday night football. 40 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: The Eagles Red Skins unfortunately had injury to Colt McCoy, 41 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: he goes out of the game, and uh really, Washington 42 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: just could not get anything going after that. The Eagles 43 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: not the cleanest game, but they found a way to 44 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: get a win and get back to five hundred and 45 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: set up a huge matchup with them and the Cowboys 46 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: next week. Yeah, I think the best way to describe 47 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,399 Speaker 1: the Eagles they're still a team that's finding their way 48 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: despite being defended Superherol champions. There a team that can 49 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: really figure out what they are on offense because quite frankly, 50 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: they haven't been able to run the ball as well 51 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: as they were able to run a season ago. And 52 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 1: I know they took some chance and they're trying to 53 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: get Corey killing it up to bat, and then we 54 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: saw Josh Adams play the big thing. Darren Sproles came 55 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: back and gave them a little spark. The Eagles have 56 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: to be able to run the ball because they can't 57 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: solely put it all on Carson Wentz's shoulders to carry 58 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: this offense because frankly, I don't think they have enough 59 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: explosive weapons on the outside to be a team that 60 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: is heavy, heavy past past happy um without the balance 61 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: and the compliment of being able to use some play action. Yeah, 62 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: the Eagles, you know, if they won this football game, 63 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: they do need to find a way, uh to take 64 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: the top off of defense a little bit. And I 65 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: was a big fan of the Golden Tape move and 66 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: he did a nice job the other night. I think 67 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: it was like seven free five and a touchdown on 68 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: a two point conversion as well. Uh, he's a good 69 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: fit there. But they do need somebody going into the future. 70 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: I think they you know, they had it last year 71 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: with Tory Smith and he dropped some balls, but they 72 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: were able to at least stretch the field and they've 73 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: got to find that guy in the off season. They 74 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: tried it with Aglare a little bit, but that's really 75 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: not his his best attribute. So, uh, that's a little 76 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: bit of a hole there. And that Eagles offense, I 77 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: think that will free up the run game as well. 78 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: Get that going. Adams has done a nice job undrafted 79 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: the rookie. They're out of Notre Dame eight five yards um. 80 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: But to me, that's something when you watch them. They 81 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: gotta get a way to get a little more vertical 82 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: stretch in their offense. And then for the Washington Redskins, 83 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: Buck just too many injuries. I mean, I think they're 84 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: they're goose is cooked. Yeah, I mean too many injuries. 85 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: And I think the thing that came out of the game, 86 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: Ja Groom said he didn't have many plays available for 87 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: Mark Sanches. He said Mark and Probaly had as many 88 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: plays available to him as a third or fourth quarterback 89 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: in a preseason game. And to me, I find that 90 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: shocking and and and really disturbing that you know that 91 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: Cope McCoy is a play away from being out the game, 92 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: that you don't have a better plan for your backup quarterback. 93 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: To me, there's just a lack of preparedness from a 94 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: coaching staff. And I just don't know what to do 95 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: with this. I really don't like I know, more attentions. 96 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: Has only been there a couple of weeks, But if 97 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: he's your number two quarterback, you have to have something 98 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: on your play sheet that allows him to be able 99 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: to halfway function and run this offense. And we saw 100 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: after Cope McCoy went down outside of a handoff the 101 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: Agan Peterson that went for nine yards in the score, 102 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: they couldn't do anything on offer. Yeah, no, it's uh, 103 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a challenge for them. Look, this is 104 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: not a great division. The Cowboys are in a pretty 105 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: good spot here when you look at the addition that 106 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: they made with a Mariy Cooper and some of the 107 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: health that they have now when you compare it to 108 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: these other teams in the division they're in, they're in 109 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: a pretty good spot. But they're gonna have a tough 110 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: one against the Eagles this neck this week. I think 111 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: if they both bring their a game, I think right 112 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: now the Cowboys might have a better a game. But 113 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: you gotta show up. The Eagles defensive line can get 114 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: after you, and they can turn you over. Uh, And 115 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: they are playing well up front and that side of 116 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: the ball. So we'll see what happens in that huge 117 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: game next week could go a long way in deciding 118 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: uh that division. All Right, We've got some some coaching 119 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: news I want to get to and some college football 120 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: I want to discuss. But before we do that, I 121 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: think you're gonna enjoy this conversation. All right, Buck, Let's 122 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: let's bring in our good buddy here, Mike Mayock joining 123 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: the show here. Mike, First of all, how are you doing, man? 124 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: How's your fall been? All has been good? D j um. 125 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: You know, I get to do the Sunday night games 126 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: for Westwood One. Uh, so I stay in touch with 127 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: the NFL game and you know, like Bucky and like you, 128 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: we're we're trying to keep paid for draft prep also, 129 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: so I'm pretty excited about the defensive line class by 130 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: the way, it's there. They're playmakers, a defensive tackle, defensive ends. 131 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: But that's not why you called today DJ. Hell No, 132 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: I trust me. I could do that all day long. 133 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: I'm I was just telling Bucky before we started. Once 134 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: that calendar flips December, I have a mild panic attack, Mike, 135 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: And you can appreciate it more than anybody because you're like, oh, 136 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: I bet, I gotta get going. We got a little 137 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: bit of a start on this thing, but we got 138 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: a lot a lot of work to do. I want 139 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: to hit you first, though, Mike, before we jump into 140 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,239 Speaker 1: the two players, and I talk about what we're seeing 141 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: on the NFL fielded and some of these college kids. Uh. 142 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: It's kind of coaching season already with the with the 143 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: firing of of Mike McCarthy and and this time you're 144 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: trying to find names, um, any names you throw out 145 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: there as guys you think could be in on this 146 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: next hiring cycle, or guys you believe in or no. Well, 147 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: you know, I think people are gonna talk about Mike 148 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: McCarthy and Josh McDaniels regardless of what McDaniels did last 149 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: year with Indianapolis. And I think the trend we've all seen, 150 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: especially since the hiring of Seawan McBay and his success, 151 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: is that owners and gms are looking for offensive guys, 152 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: and especially young offensive guys. And I mean I talked 153 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: to people around the league and it's just amazing to 154 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: me because Mtfette, you know, McVeigh was thirty when he 155 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: was hired. We're starting to talk about Lincoln Riley, who 156 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: I think thirty five years old at Oklahoma. The people 157 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: that have familiarity with the spread offense, you know, whether 158 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: it's Zach Taylor who's thirty two years old and the 159 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: quarterback coach uh for the Rams. I mean, his younger 160 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: brother is Press Taylor. I think he's thirty years old. 161 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: I mean, so you look around the league and we 162 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: can talk about Christopher Shard and John d. Philippo and 163 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: Ark the Enemy. You know, there's a lot of names 164 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: out there. I'm kind of old school. If I was 165 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: a GM, I'd probably be looking at the back up 166 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: the truck and see if I could get Nick Saban 167 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: or David Shaw. Mike, when you think about kind of 168 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: the rush of guys who want these offensive coaches, do 169 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: you think there's more to being a head coach than 170 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: just being a glorified offensive Are you about people making 171 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: mistake by just w just a hot offensive name? You know? 172 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: You know, Buck, I think every year there are mistakes 173 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: made because there's a hot coordinator. But but I think 174 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: the difference now is just people aren't really looking at 175 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. I've heard owners in 176 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: GM say time and again the quarterback position is the 177 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: most important position. We've got to surround the quarterback not 178 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: only with offensive talent, but with offensive coaching talent and 179 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: guys my age and even to some extent, Buck, you 180 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: and DJ we didn't grow up in the spread systems, 181 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: so it's getting younger. Um, we're seeing a priority laid 182 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 1: certainly on the offensive side of the ball, so you 183 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: start looking around the defensive side on the In the NFL, 184 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: you wonder if Dennith Allen will get another shot, And 185 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: there are a lot of qualified defensive candidates out there, 186 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: but I think they're all getting pushed down for the 187 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: flavor of the day, which is young and offensive. And 188 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: you hit on a good point there, and Mike with 189 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: the offense. When I talked to people the same people 190 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: you're talking to, H, the thought is, Okay, if you 191 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: go hire a great defensive coach and he gives you 192 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: the sales pitch, well, I'm gonna bring this offensive coordinator 193 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: with me that you're gonna trust him, You're gonna love him. 194 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: He's gonna take care of the offense. Well that's great. 195 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: He does a good job. One year later he's no 196 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: longer my offensive coordinator. He's gonna be a head coach somewhere. Uh. 197 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: That seems to be kind of what they're what they're 198 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: scared of. What one name I want to throw aout 199 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: you before we move off the coaches here. Uh. Somebody 200 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: I got to know a little bit really first through 201 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: you because of your relationship with him, but have kept 202 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: up with him since then is Matt Rule. And I 203 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: know that people are gonna be looking down at the 204 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: college game. I know, Uh, he's not an offensive guy, 205 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: but when you look at his background and you know 206 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: him extremely well, he's somebody I think can make that 207 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: transition from the college game to the program. I already 208 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,599 Speaker 1: had a great interview last year with Indianapolis. Would it 209 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: surprised you at all if if he got a crack 210 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: at one of these jobs, No, it wouldn't. And um, 211 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: he's an impressive guy. He's got some NFL background, he 212 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 1: was with the Giants, you know, he was at Penn State, 213 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: he went to Temple and got Temple rolling. Now he's 214 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: a Baylor in a program that you know, was hit 215 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: by a huge scandal and he's trying to get that 216 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: turned around. And and as you know, DJ, when you 217 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: sit down and talk with Matt, you're impressed with him, 218 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: not just on the football level, but on the level 219 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: where you believe, you believe he can lead men. So 220 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: I do believe in the next year or two he 221 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: will be part of a hiring cycle. Yeah, I'm I'm 222 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: a big fan of his. I think he's on an 223 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: outsanding job in this short time here at Baylor, after 224 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: doing a great job there at Temple. Let's let's move 225 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: on to some of these players. Mike, the rookies. UM, 226 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: I'll give you kind of the floor here, just this 227 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: rookie class. Starting with the quarterbacks. What have you seen? Wow? 228 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's pretty much as advertised. With 229 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: the conversations the three of us have had. I mean, 230 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: Sam Donald has been hurt, but I'm bullish on Sam Donald. 231 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: I had a great conversation in the preseason with Josh 232 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: McCown who told me he's the brightest, hardest working young 233 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: quarterback he's ever been involved with. Um Josh Allen, we 234 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: all knew he was raw fellows right, but he's athletic, 235 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: he can run the football, He's got a big arm 236 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: and a lot to learn. Josh Rosen. My only concern 237 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: with durability. I love the fact that he's getting snaps 238 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: and I think he's a natural thrower of the football. 239 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: And you know, I think the electric, the lightning rod 240 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: is Baylor or Baker Mayfield. And he's played at a 241 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: high level at a tough week last week, but he 242 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: appeals to his teammates and his coaches. He's a natural leader. 243 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: He's got Cleveland moving, and I think there's excitement on 244 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: both sides of the line of scrimmage in Cleveland. And 245 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: and I'm excited, maybe more for for Lamar Jackson's opportunity 246 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: than any of them. Uh, We've had a lot of 247 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: conversations about him. You know, he's won a couple of 248 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: games as the starting quarterback for the Ravens. Yeah, he 249 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: uses his legs, but he's learning how to be a 250 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: quarterback from the pocket, and I'm really excited about him. 251 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: You know, Mike going in be worried about Lamar Jackson, 252 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: Josh Allen and you kind of alluded to the fact 253 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: that these guys have been able to run around and 254 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: make some play for Josh Een and for Lamar Jackson 255 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: for the next step in terms of teams build around 256 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: guys that are primarily, uh, run around playmakers as opposed 257 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: to these pop quarterbacks that we're seeing from Mayfield, Rosen 258 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: and Donald. You know, I think the way I've always thought, 259 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: even even though we're going more and more to the 260 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: spread offense and making these young kids feel comfortable by 261 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: giving them a crutch to lean on as they developed 262 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: the NFL system, I really believe that sooner or later, 263 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta learn to win championships from inside 264 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: the pocket, and it's great to have the extra dimension. 265 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: Trust me, I think the way the league's going, the 266 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: ability to extend plays with your legs. It is gonna 267 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: be the wave of the future in the NFL. But 268 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: you still have to make plays from the pocket. And 269 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: he's still got to make plays throwing the football on 270 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: the run. And I think both Josh Allen and Lamar 271 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: Jackson have those capabilities. I think they've got to learn 272 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: when the squat in the pocket when you get outside. 273 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: But it's been kind of fun to watch. You know, 274 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 1: they're both very raw in the pocket, but they've got 275 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: a little different timeline I think. But they're really exciting prospects. Alright, Mike, 276 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: I gotta get your take on this because I don't 277 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: know why you popped into my mind, But when I 278 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: was watching the Rams Chiefs game on TV and everybody 279 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: around the country was talking about how great this was 280 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: for football, and they're fifty burgers flying all over the field, 281 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here going, mayock might he might? He might 282 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: be banging his head against a wall right now seeing 283 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 1: where football has gone? Hey, what were your thoughts watching 284 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: that football game? And then I'm kind of an evaluating standpoint, 285 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: and in a scouting standpoint, is that a couple with 286 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: last year's Super Bowl shootout? Is is this kind of 287 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: a is this a change now? And how we got 288 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: to go about evaluating well first and foremost, UM, I 289 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: enjoyed that game. It was a fun game to watch. Uh, 290 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: just like the Super Bowl was a fun game to watch. 291 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: My concern is, I don't want every NFL game to 292 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: be fifty to thirty nine or sixty two. I don't 293 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: want it to be arena football, and I don't want 294 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: it to big, big, big twelve football. There has to 295 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: be an element of defense played. Um. I enjoyed watching 296 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: Dallas play New Orleans. You know, on the flip side 297 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: of that, you know, Dallas is front seven is what 298 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: I think the future is DJ, which is you've got 299 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: inside out guys. Um that could be have the big 300 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: kid from Boise that can play defensive end. No Vanderrection yeaheah. 301 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: They've got the whole defense. They've got three guys from 302 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: Boise in the front seventies right, the Marcus Lawrence, the 303 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: inside outside guy, and and Vanderesh. But my point is 304 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: all seven of their guys up front can run. And 305 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna you know, that's what we've been scouting. 306 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: But Vanderesh is a little bit of an aberration because 307 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: at two fifty five, he's about twenty five pounds heavier 308 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: than the you know, Dion Jones and and those kind 309 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: of guys. And you know, we're gonna talk about the 310 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: linebacker from l s U this year, and if the 311 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: linebacker from Michigan comes out, and you know, all these 312 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: guys that are two thirty pounds that can run, Vanderesh 313 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: is two fifty five. So I was impressed with the 314 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: way Dallas handled New Orleans a couple of Thursday nights ago. 315 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: But to answer your question, yeah, I mean, let's face it, 316 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: you know, speed kills and what Andy Reid's doing and 317 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: what l A is doing and what the Eagles are 318 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: doing changes the way defenses have to draft. Also, I 319 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: was thinking about too, Mike, and we talked about on 320 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: this on this podcast after that game and kind of 321 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: looking at the future. And look, we've talked about this 322 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: numerous times. Are just about defensive tackles. If you can't 323 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: pass rush, it's tough. It's tough to to elevate him 324 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: up the board in the way the game is played 325 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: right now. But I see it with the with the 326 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: Chargers every week they had an injury to Denzel Perriman, 327 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: who is a great, you know, tackle to tackle, run 328 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: plugging linebacker, but he goes down, they don't really replace 329 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: him primarily with a linebacker. They're playing dime defense or 330 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: doing a lot of these teams are doing, uh, just 331 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: playing with three safeties out there. They've got a big 332 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: safety that they're able to drop down there in Adrian Phillips. 333 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: So you're playing with a pound linebacker in there. And 334 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: I keep waiting every week somebody's gonna run them out 335 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: of this and it doesn't happen. So I mean, I 336 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: just think defense speed, speed, speed, speed speed. I think 337 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: we got to continue to put a big premium on that. 338 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: You know, all you gotta do is look at your 339 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: guy Darius Leonard in the season he's had in Indianapolis, 340 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: is and off the ball linebacker. Um. And I don't 341 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: think this conversation can can go pass without the three 342 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: of us acknowledging that the three best non quarterback prospects 343 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: in last year's draft stay Kwon Barkley, Quintin Nelson and 344 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb. All three of them have been as advertised 345 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: and are playing at high levels. And I love seeing that, 346 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: no doubt. Talking about the nine uarterbacks that were the 347 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: high prospect we're drafted in the top ten and playing 348 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: like that this upcoming draft, maybe another year where we 349 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: look at nine quarterbacks going very very high. And because 350 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: it's tilting and skewing so heavily to the defensive side 351 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: of the wall, what are those teams at the top 352 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: two because we have a bunch of defensive tackles, a 353 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: couple of defensive events and linebackers. Are we comfortable now 354 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: saying that all those prospects are those those positions or 355 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: they being top ten picks? Like my premise has always been, 356 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: if you have a top ten pick, you better get 357 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: a hell of a football player. And do you want 358 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: to prioritize some of the more important positions in today's game, 359 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: like quarterback or or on defense, guys that can affect 360 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: the pass game? Yeah? And I think what you're talking about, Buck, 361 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: when you start talking about defensive tackles and you talk 362 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: about you know, the kid from Houston ed Oliver, or 363 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: the red shirt sophomore from Alabama Quinn and Williams, or 364 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: you know, if you're talking about edge guys and you're 365 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: talking about Rashaan Gary or Nick Botha or I can 366 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: go on and on. It's all about affecting the quarterback. 367 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: And I don't think anybody would have any qualms about 368 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: pulling the trigger in the top ten on a defensive 369 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: lineman that can affect the pass game. I think that's 370 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: paramount one more from me here, Mike. I know you've 371 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: been generously your time here. But one of the other 372 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: theories that that we've been kicking around here and just 373 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: having some fun with, we used to prioritize the positions 374 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: kind of what we're just talking about here. Uh, you know, Okay, 375 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: you start with the you know, quarterback, then it's an 376 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: edge rusher, then you know, is it a corner as 377 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: a left tackle, and then we just kind of workshop 378 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: that this is what we came up with. Tell us 379 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: what you think, um, and then how can we do 380 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: it better. So what we've thought of is, if we 381 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: say a foundation of a team, we're gonna come up 382 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: with twelve players that like a championship foundation. We said, 383 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: you gotta have the quarterback obviously, one of those two 384 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: pass rushers, which could be and you know, it could 385 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: be any combination of defensive linement, but two pass rushers. Um, 386 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: you look at three additional playmakers on the offensive side 387 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: of the ball, and three additional playmakers on the defensive 388 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: side of the ball. So offensively, could be a running back, 389 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: tight end, receiver, could be two receivers and a running back, 390 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: but the number was three. So your quarterback has three 391 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: playmakers in his skill position, and on the back end 392 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: you've got on the defensive side, you have two pass rushers, 393 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: and you've got a collection of three playmakers. Again, could 394 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: be anyone in your back in the back end of 395 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: your defense, corner safety's, linebackers. But that was really putting 396 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: emphasis on guys who are just making plays, because as 397 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: the league continues to score more points, the value and 398 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: being able to get guys that can generate a turn 399 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: over one way or the other has kind of sword. 400 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: So almost transitioning almost away from positions, Mike and talking 401 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: more about playmakers in general, what are your thoughts on 402 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: that philosophy, DJ, I remember Till talking during the draft 403 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: last year and the year before about offensively. I almost 404 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: feel like we need we need to stop with labels 405 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: because I really don't care what you call. I don't 406 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: care if you're a running back, a slot receiver, or 407 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: wide receiver, a tight end, I don't care what the 408 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: label is. Are you a dynamic playmaker? And they come 409 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: in all shapes and sizes, So from my perspective, it's 410 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: about dynamic playmakers on offense and then on defense. It's 411 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: about effect in the past game. And I'm willing to 412 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: give up something in the run game. And you know, 413 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: you start talking about, you know, difference makers up front. 414 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: I think that's the for me. I think the front four, 415 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: the front five, whatever you whatever scheme you're in, I 416 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: think difference makers up front. I think you have to 417 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: have off the ball linebackers that can run. And I 418 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: don't care whether you call them linebackers or safeties or again, 419 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: I don't care as much about the label, but you 420 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: better get a couple of those guys that can run. 421 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: And on the back end, you know the shutdown corners, 422 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: and I don't never really believed in that, but you've 423 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: got to get guys that can compete and tackle on 424 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: the back end and find the ball in the air, 425 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: because with all the back shoulder shades and vertical shots, 426 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: more and more of these corners that have their back 427 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: to the quarterback have got to be able to find 428 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: the football. So I think we're all in agreement on that, 429 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: DJ and I think that's the way the league's gone. 430 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: And I thought that's interesting that you're prought up the 431 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: Dallas New Orleans game and the fact that Dallas plays 432 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: more a man demand than any of the team in 433 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: the league. When you look at the corners that they have, 434 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: and we fast forward to the draft, what do you 435 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: think the court rays that's going to look for when 436 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: they're looking at deepest facts physically cornerback. Now, yeah, I'm 437 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: not going to change where I've been for for a 438 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,239 Speaker 1: lot of years, Buck, and and that is and and 439 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: forget length for a second, because that's simply that's become 440 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: more and more important. You know, people want six foot 441 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: plus corners because of the proliferation of the back shoulder 442 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: throws and the bigger receivers. I get that the two characteristics, 443 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: and to trade I one in corners. Number one, you've 444 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: got to be able to find the football in the 445 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: air when you're back starting. You've gotta be able to 446 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 1: make plays on the ball if you're not grabbing and 447 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: pass interference and that stuff that drives me crazy. And 448 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: number two and a lot of people might not have 449 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: this is too but I do you've got to be 450 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: competitive in all phases of the game, including tackling, and 451 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: a lot of offensive coaches are getting real smart on 452 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: and forcing your best corner to defend the run. And 453 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: I don't care. You don't need to be a trained killer, 454 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: but you've got to get the guy on the ground. 455 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: So you've got to be competitive and all facets of 456 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: the game. But you've got to be able to tackle also. 457 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: And when you get to the safeties, let's face the guys. 458 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: I mean safeties that can drop down and cover a slot. 459 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: We saw Derwin James and DJ You you've had a 460 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: lot of fun I'm sure watching him an Mike, the 461 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: job he's doing on tight ends and all and while 462 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: he's blitzing, while he's defending against the run, he's been outstanding. 463 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 1: He's been fun to watch. He is. He is a 464 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: fun chess piece for Gus Bradley. Absolutely been Uh, it's 465 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: been fun to watch, Mike. I'm gonna let you run 466 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: on this one. Um. Today, I have to go get 467 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 1: I have to go pick up the Jeremiah Christmas puzzle 468 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: because that's one of our traditions here. We gotta go 469 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 1: get the Christmas puzzle to throw out on the table. 470 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: So we can kind of work on that over the 471 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: next couple of weeks with Michael and Lee. What's what's 472 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: the give me a Mayock Christmas tradition here? What what? 473 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: What are we working with? What we have when they 474 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: were little growing up? I'm trying to incorporate some new traditions. 475 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: I thought i'd lean on your expertise here a little bit. 476 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: What what do we have in the Mayak house growing up? Well, 477 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: knowing that Jeremiah family, this is not a tradition you're 478 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: gonna pick up. All my kids are now older, so um. So, basically, 479 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: we started a tradition about eight or nine years ago, 480 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: and it didn't it didn't start out to be a 481 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: tradition like most um we were My brother Mark OSTs 482 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: a Christmas Eve party every year, and I grabbed the kids, 483 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: my kids, because I wanted to talk to them about something, 484 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: and it was smelling outside, and I took him out 485 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: on the deck and I happened to have a glass 486 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: of red wine and a cigar. Okay, and my kids 487 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: were old enough and they thought, Hey, if I'm going 488 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: out in the cold deck with dad, I'm getting the 489 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: same thing. So the three of us stood out in 490 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: the deck with a drink and a cigar, and ever 491 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: since we've been regardless of weather on Christmas Eve, the 492 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: three of us sit out on the deck. It doesn't 493 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 1: matter what the weather is. I mean, we've been out 494 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: in park Is with snow coming down at twenty degrees 495 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: and we sit out there and smoke a cigar and 496 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: kind of talk about our lives. I love that. That 497 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: is awesome, Mike. I'll tell you what. I can't wait 498 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 1: to get my fifth grader out there on the back 499 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: porch this year. Neighbors might have might look at me 500 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: a little funny that that is awesome. Hey, Mike, thank 501 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: you so much. Man. Hey, we're gonna be in Uh, 502 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna be in Tampa no time. Man, East West 503 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: is gonna be here. And uh, one of my favorite 504 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: things take everybody kind of behind the scenes, uh, going 505 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: to those practices. I'm usually either riding with one of 506 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: the two men on this on this chat right here, 507 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,239 Speaker 1: I'm with Bucky riding to practice around with Mike, and 508 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: we're getting to talk about these players and it is 509 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 1: a fun time a year and I'm looking forward to it. 510 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: Thanks again, Mike for all your time. We do appreciate it, 511 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: but hey, listen, I respect the hell out of both 512 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: you guys, but thanks thanks for having me on. All right, Buck, 513 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: It's always great to catch up with our our buddy 514 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: Mike Mayock there and uh man it is it is 515 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: just around the corner, man, this uh, this draft is 516 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: gonna be fun to discuss. I always feel like it 517 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: is kind of is fitting that you really start cranking 518 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: up your preparation for the draft, and it really kicks 519 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: off for us as we get to the holiday season, 520 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: because I do feel like watching these players it's like 521 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: open up presence. You don't know what you're gonna get, 522 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: and you're excited to see see what's under the tree. 523 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: That's that's what we're doing here as we start to 524 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: to crank up our draft preparedness here. Yeah, absolutely, we 525 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: are beginning to crank up um the draft rep. And 526 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: I got a lot of room and I got I 527 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,719 Speaker 1: got a lot to catch up on. I I'm excited 528 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: for bowl season. I'll go on a little bit of 529 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: a tour, kind of bounce around a little bit to 530 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: see if I can see some of these top guys. 531 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: But as always, you know you're trying to hunt these quarterbacks. 532 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: The thing is the two thousand nineteen quarterback class is 533 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: a bit of a mystery because you really don't know 534 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: what you're going to get and you really don't know 535 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: who deserves to be at the top, and so everyone 536 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: declares until we really start digging into the tape. Yeah, 537 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting to see who all does decide 538 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: to come out. It's uh, um, it's interesting group. There's 539 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: some talent there. It's very raw. I think it's uh, 540 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 1: it's a group that's gonna need some time to develop there. 541 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: But I'm anxious to dig into some of the tape. 542 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: I do want to get out and see the Rose 543 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: Bowl and see Haskins live. So that's one that I'm 544 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: keeping eye on and see him against Washington. Wathington has 545 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: a very talented secondary. Uh, that'll be a fun one 546 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 1: to watch. Uh. Some coaching news though, before we get 547 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: to a couple of these bowl matchups that we're looking 548 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: forward to here real quick, Urban Meyer decide to uh 549 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: decides to step down following the Rose Bowl. That will 550 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: be his last game with the Buckeyes. Ryan Day will 551 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: take over your thoughts on that one, buck, you know, 552 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you can look at Urban doing the 553 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: regular season, you could tell that he was under distress 554 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: just to wait it. He was so emotional on the sideline. 555 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,719 Speaker 1: It seemed like the ups and downs were so emotional 556 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: for him on the sideline this year. And then when 557 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: you get the health issues and talking about these headaches 558 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: and all the other stuff, you knew it as a 559 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: matter of time. And I think Ohio State got an 560 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: opportunity to see what Brian Day would do as the 561 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: headman when he took over for three games early in 562 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: the year. And this uh, this team and this offense 563 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: continue to flow. And I think the job that he 564 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: is done with Dwayne Haskins really made it very easy 565 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: for them to buy into him being the head coach. 566 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: I'm kind of excited to see what Ohio State looked 567 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: like after Urban Meyer. He has been so successful, done 568 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: such a great job of not only with the product 569 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: on the field, but recruiting and kind of stock pounding 570 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: this program with a lot of talent. I can't wait 571 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: to see what they're able to do with Ryan Day 572 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: new headman, But I think the results will still be 573 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: the same. Yeah, the big thing to me is they 574 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: keep their um the infrastructure in place, that one of 575 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: the best strength code in the country, they're one of 576 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: the best recruiting coordinators in the country, and so keep 577 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: those pieces in place. I don't think they will h 578 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 1: they will slip at all. I do know though, that 579 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: somebody at ann Arber is probably happy to see Urban 580 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: Meyer go. Uh maybe Jim Harball. That will help him, uh, 581 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: trying to get over that hurdle because it seems like 582 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: when he stares across the sidelines and Urban Meyer coach team, 583 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: it hasn't ended well. The challenge is going to be 584 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: from Michigan try and figure out a way to get 585 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: some of those athletes that the Ohio State is going 586 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: to continue to roll out there no matter who the 587 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: coach is. So h interesting to see what happens there 588 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: with the Buckeyes going forward. The other piece of of 589 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: coaching news, Cliff Kingsbury had been reported for a while 590 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: that uh he was highly sought after not only at 591 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: the college level as a coordinator, but also NFL teams 592 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: potentially as an offensive coordinator. Well, uh, that's uh, that's 593 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: all over now because he has agreed to become the 594 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator at USC under Clay Helton. What do you 595 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: think about this move for the for the Trojans, and 596 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: for Cliff Kingsbury. Buck. You know, this is an interesting 597 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: move for USC because I've always fancied USC as a 598 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: team that was one of a prost team. They kind 599 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: of recruited to that. They kind of when they were 600 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: at their best, they played like that. And now you 601 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: have been going all in with the air raid. Cliff 602 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: Kingsbury is one of the brightest minds and innovative popins 603 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: the coordinator. However, they now were playing the style that 604 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: is similar to all the other teams in the Pact twelve. 605 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: And to me, I love the Kingsbury high but man, 606 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: can they win just being a past first team because 607 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: that's what he was a Texas Tech. They have running back, 608 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: they have personnel there. How is he going to utilize 609 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: the personnel that they have available. I know he has 610 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: elevated to play a quarterback, but I wonder how did 611 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: this make them better when it comes to the national scope. 612 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: I know they want to compete in the Pact twelve, 613 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: but this is a team that also says that they 614 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,239 Speaker 1: have national title aspirations. Can you have an offense like 615 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: that play against the Alabama's The Clemsons the Notre Dames, 616 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: the Georges of the world. When you're really talking about 617 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: being one of the four teams in the playoffs. Well, 618 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: one thing is interesting when you go back and look 619 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: at his history there at Texas Tech, they ran the ball. 620 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: He runs the ball a lot more than, uh than 621 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: Mike Leach. Now it's it's that air raid system. But 622 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: I mean the year before, not this year. The year 623 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: before we almost had two thousand yards rushing at eight 624 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: hundred thirty two yards rushing to go around to go 625 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: along with forty passing yards. This season, Uh, they had 626 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: passing yards again, they had fine rushing yards. So, uh, 627 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: he runs the ball a little bit more, I think 628 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: than than Mike Leach. I just just a little bit, 629 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: just a little bit. But I also think, look, they 630 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: had to, uh you know, you have to make an adjustment, 631 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: and you look at the Washington State team that's beat 632 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: us see a couple of times. So now you're gonna 633 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: be able to to play in this conference with one 634 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: of the I think people would say one of the 635 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: elite minds offensive minds in terms of running this type 636 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: of an offense. Look at the success he's had wherever 637 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: he's been put up a zillion points and now he's 638 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: going to have the chance to access athletes that he 639 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: would not have the chance to access at Texas Tech. So, um, 640 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's Uh. I think it's a 641 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: it's a good move for USC. I think trying to 642 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: continuing to just be stubborn and say we're gonna do 643 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: it this way. Well, you know what, we've seen this 644 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: conference get run by Oregon for a long period of time, 645 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: running a very similar offense, and an Oregon team that 646 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: we found itself in the National Championship games. Uh. So 647 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: I like it. It's not something I think that a 648 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: lot of the purists, the USC football purists, will be 649 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: happy with. But man, they've got to upgraded coliseum. They 650 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: put a lot of money into it, buck and they 651 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: had nobody showing up at these games at the end 652 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: of the year because not only were they not good, 653 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: they weren't fun to watch. And if nothing else, they'll 654 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: they'll be a fun offense to watch next year. Yeah, 655 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: you absolutely make a good point. I mean they need 656 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: to be fun. And recruiting is the game. The one 657 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: thing that you will be able to recruit at SE 658 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: You'll be able to recruit throwers and catch it. And 659 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: so if you think about the way the game is 660 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: going to be able to get seven eight guys that 661 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: can catch a ton of passes, USC is going to 662 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: be recruited that And then when you think about all 663 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,959 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that come out of California, particularly Southern California, 664 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: who is not going to want to play for a 665 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury. Um when he shows that he can put 666 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: up that kind of arsenal of office in terms of 667 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: the number of passing yards and all those things. But 668 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: I think Clay Hilton needs to be careful. He needs 669 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: to be careful because he hires replacement, then he just 670 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: hires replacement. Oh. Absolutely, pushed on the show, I think 671 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: the door retain for the Kingsbury He's gonna be the court, 672 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: the coach for the Trojans for the pursuit of the future. 673 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: After a year or two, it n see, it's gonna 674 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: be uh, let's see, it's gonna be very fascinating to 675 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: see how that all works out. The dynamics there with 676 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: Clay Helton. Look, I I tipped my cap to him. 677 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: Though it was a it was a bold move and 678 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: everybody kind of said the same thing. Nationally, they say, hey, 679 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: are you sure you want to do that? I mean, 680 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: he's a popular guy now. Uh So, anyways, they need 681 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: to win some football games. I do think that will 682 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: help him in that regard. Real quick before we get 683 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: out of here. I don't want to really look back 684 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: at the games last week. The George Alabama game was 685 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: was competitive, was good football game there. Jalen Hurts ended 686 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: up saving the day. But just springing it forward here, 687 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: which one of the semis are you looking forward to 688 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: the most? Alabama, Oklahoma, Clemson, Notre Dame, Alabama, Oklahoma. And 689 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: the reason I'm looking forward to is because Oklahoma years 690 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: ago whooped Alabama in a bowl game that no one 691 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: thought that they could compete with them. And so you 692 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: want about that style of offense and the way that 693 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: Oklahoma feels about themselves. Can they muster up? I guess 694 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: a herculean effort to knock off Alabama like matchups um Traditionally, 695 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: Nick Saban's defenses have had problems with athletic quarterback that 696 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: also passed. We saw it Deshaun Watson was able to do. 697 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: Going all the way back to Johnny Manzel, what kind 698 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: of plan with Alabama have for Kyla Murray and the 699 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: style of offense that Oklahoma plays. Now, we know Oklahoma 700 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: can't stop them, they haven't stopped anybody. But from an 701 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: offensive standpoint, can they give Alabama enough problems to make 702 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: this game a tighter game in the fourth quarter than 703 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: we expect? Yeah, I'm with you on that game, though, 704 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: I want to see, uh, you know, does this have 705 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: an impact on Kyler Murray. Let's see Kyler Murray goes 706 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: wins the Heisman Trophy Buck and let's say he pulls 707 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: the upset of all upsets and they beat Alabama. He 708 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: plays lights out. I mean, at that point in time, 709 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: we might need to have Chris Rose back on and 710 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: revisit this whole Does he think about football versus baseball 711 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 1: at that point in time? Because I think he would 712 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: set the scouting world a buzz if he somehow pulled 713 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: off this game. Not so much the Heisman Trophy, the 714 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: scouts don't care about that, but if he goes out 715 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: there and found a way to carve up this Alabama defense, 716 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: it would be uh, it would be quite interesting to 717 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,720 Speaker 1: see if that changes his mind on the whole baseball 718 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,879 Speaker 1: versus football conversation. Clemson Notre Dame. Maybe I'll be proven wrong. 719 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: This feels like it's just gonna be a route uh Clemson. 720 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: I just think we'll be able to do what they 721 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: want in this game. Buck, I don't see that one 722 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: being close. You don't. You don't think it's No, I 723 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 1: do not think it is close. No. I think it's 724 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: a speed I think there is a major speed differential. 725 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: I think that defensive line for Clemson is going to 726 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: give them fits. Really, I think Notre Dame is better 727 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: served to play in this kind of thing. Just remember, 728 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: I think these guys played a very, very tight game. 729 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: It was a two maybe decided on a two point 730 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: conversion down there in Death Valley. I think the one 731 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 1: thing that Notre Dame can do is Notre Dame can 732 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: match their physicality. And also when you have a freshman quarterback, Remember, 733 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: this is gonna be the biggest game that Trevor Lawrence 734 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: has played in. They weren't challenged throughout the regular season, 735 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: they weren't challenging the a CC championship game. This will 736 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: be a challenge for him and how would they respond. 737 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: I kind of like this matchup, and I won't go 738 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: so far to say that I'm leaning towards Notre Dame. 739 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I believe this is a game that is 740 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: perfect for Notre Dame to knock them off. Those those 741 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,959 Speaker 1: two top ten offensive lineman, they aren't. They aren't playing 742 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 1: in this game this year. They're not. They're not allow 743 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: to play. They can't. You know, they're not gonna lett 744 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: Nelson come back and play his eligibilities up. I look, look, 745 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: I get that, and I get Clemson's from fore, but 746 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: remember Clemson's gonna have to play offense against what I 747 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: think is a very tough and physical defensive. Remember all 748 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: the Clipson's best playmakers are pretty much young dudes. Uh 749 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: the Higgins, Trevor Lawrence, that the other guys on the 750 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: primeter to making plays. Young guys, big game, right lights, 751 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: big stage. We'll see how they fare. But I do 752 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: know Notre Dame is gonn hit him in the mouth. 753 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: We'll see how they respond. When did they play, by 754 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: the way, did they didn't play last year two fifteen? 755 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 1: It was the shamp tyser come on buck again? Well 756 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: how about this though, if you want to throw Notre 757 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 1: Dame in speed, Last year Notre Dame played Georgia and 758 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: Georgia had to make a late phil goal to beat them. 759 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,720 Speaker 1: So if you just talk about Notre Dame against teams 760 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: with good speed, they beat LSU. Last year they almost 761 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: beat Georgia. I think the speed argument is not that 762 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: big of an argument at this point. They're more more 763 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: battle tested? Did they more battle tested this year? The 764 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: teams they played, they look they played tougher. Teampson hasn't 765 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 1: played anybody outside of Texas and look, no disrespect to 766 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: a CC I love a CC ball, But they didn't 767 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: face the challenge this year. How are they gonna respond 768 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 1: when they get hit in the face for the first time. 769 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 1: I just want to see if they can get up 770 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: off the mat and fight back. We'll see chicken or steak? 771 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: What do you want to put on that? Chicken or steak? 772 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: I'm happy to go either one. I'll give you ten. 773 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: Let come on, let's go. Let's let's go. I get 774 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 1: ten points to is that what? Oh? Man? Yeah, you 775 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: want ten and a half. I feel I'm feeling generous. 776 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: I'll give you ten and a half. Man, Be careful, 777 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 1: be careful. I know right now you're really emotionally because 778 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 1: you lost your coach at apter date and there's a 779 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: there's a ton of emotional wave, emotion going through you. 780 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,760 Speaker 1: But let's not make a bad decision. Don't come pound, 781 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: don't come down. So this is this is, this is 782 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: where you're reading the situation wrong. See, our coach went 783 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 1: to the A C C. I'm all all in on 784 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: a CEC ball right now. You should be loving this 785 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: right now. I'm all in on your confidence. See see. 786 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: But now I wonder if you're gonna want to retract 787 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: the tweet that you said you and your app State 788 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: Mountaineer cronies when they came at me after coach Brown 789 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: was hired. About the date, I think whatever date it is, 790 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: September twenty first, when Caroline plays app State. Yeah, we're 791 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 1: still gonna be fine. I can, I can, I can 792 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: I get go get my high school. I can go 793 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: get my high school. Coach will go beating North Carolina 794 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 1: next year. Come on, I got two neighbors. I got 795 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: two neighbors that watch football. I can give either one 796 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 1: of them will come out. There will be the Tarios 797 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: next year. And how about this guy's here's a couple 798 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 1: of Notre Dame stats. Notre Dame's cornerbacks have only allowed 799 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 1: two touchdowns all season. That was the last one in 800 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter against I think it was Tyler Vaughan's 801 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,240 Speaker 1: in the final minute against USC and then our Sega 802 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: whiteside boxed out Julian Love. So their corners have been 803 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: really good. Also, the last time a Notre Dame running 804 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: back fumble to football and lost it November of two 805 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: thousand fifteen, Josh Adams. That's been two thousand, seven d 806 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: two offensive snaps since the Notre Dame running back has 807 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: lost a fumble. That's impressive. They're still gonna get smashed 808 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: by Clemson, but I appreciate those stats. You know what, 809 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,399 Speaker 1: we I'm going all in with Notre Dame. I'm gonna 810 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: put the we in. We I feel I feel good 811 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: about us, I feel good about bran Keelly getting us 812 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: ready to go. I'm liking when Notre Dame is doing it. 813 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: I'm absolutely all yeah, We'll put a stake on it. 814 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 1: And the other thing is, here's the problem. Like, say, 815 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: somehow miraculously they beat Clemson. How long is that celebration 816 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: before they realized? How how long is that celebration before 817 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: they realize We're got to play another national championship game 818 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: against Alabama? This will be fun. We'll see. But here's 819 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 1: what I think the loss to Alabama actually set the 820 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: stage for this version of Notre Dame. I think Bryan 821 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: Kelly that there and was on the other side of 822 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: the field, and he saw how Alabama whooped him, and 823 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 1: he decided to change the way they recruited, to change 824 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: the personnel that they have available a Notre Dame. This 825 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: is a bigger, more physical Notre Dame team then we 826 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: saw they went to the championship game a few years ago. 827 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,800 Speaker 1: All Right, we'll see. Man, I'm all right, my stomach 828 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: is already getting full. I'm just I've already ate that 829 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 1: stake in my mind. Uh. That's a good. Well, we'll see. 830 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: We gotta get that. We have a viewing party for 831 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: that one buck. We have a viewing party, all right, Kent, 832 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: Kent is a first of all, Kent, Come come, come, 833 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: come with the facts here. You're a Notre Dame home 834 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: or you're a lifelong Notre Dame fan. With the facts, 835 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: don't think they'll be the Alabama. I'm not going to 836 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: go that far, but I think I think people are 837 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: discounting them. It was funny watching the selection show this 838 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: week and everything. There wasn't one person on ESPN for 839 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: four hours that even thought realistically that they were maybe 840 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: one of the best four teams. And their defense has 841 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: shown up in every game this year, and they've played 842 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,359 Speaker 1: some pretty quality offenses, and offensively with ian Book, they've 843 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,799 Speaker 1: been one of the best fifteen offenses. And now ian 844 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,319 Speaker 1: Book gets to be healthy. He had a couple of 845 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: cracked ribs at the end of the season. I think 846 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,319 Speaker 1: he'll be healthier. Dexter Williams is explosive. They're not going 847 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: to run the football two yards against Clemson, but Dexter 848 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 1: Williams might break one or two runs and that might 849 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: be enough to keep them in the game. I don't 850 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,320 Speaker 1: think it's a blowout. I feel like people are discounting 851 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: how good the Notre Dame defense is. It's gonna be 852 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,839 Speaker 1: a blowout boys. I I don't want to be a jerk, 853 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 1: but it's not gonna be close. But we'll be picking 854 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 1: them a couple of weeks. We'll do some early bowl 855 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: games here heading in the next week, and then after 856 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: that we'll do the all the ten ranked versus ranked bowls, 857 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: including all the New Year's six and we're time. Now. 858 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,439 Speaker 1: You blew your two game lead this week we're time. 859 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: I know, I can't believe I let that happen. Wait, 860 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,839 Speaker 1: hold on, what's up? Oh yeah, te Higgins just scored again. Guys, 861 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: Sorry about that. We'll happen anyways, that whole one, that 862 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: whole haven't given up passing, you know, two passing touchdowns. 863 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: We'll see, We'll see you on that one. All right, 864 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,919 Speaker 1: it's gonna be uh, it's gonna be fun. Look forward 865 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: to the bull season. Sure I won't hear anything from 866 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: Notre Dame fans online after this one. Appreciate, appreciate, appreciate 867 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: you buck. What time is it over there by? What's 868 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: the time difference in London? I always forget? Right now 869 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: is just becoming six five, six o'clock at night? Like 870 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,879 Speaker 1: I'm so I'm so flown off, Like I can't even 871 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 1: tell you what is going on? Like its four block's 872 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: ault chain for me. But I'm having a good time. Well, 873 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,839 Speaker 1: thanks for thanks for helping us out here and uh 874 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: and logging back in Kent. Nice work, Cam, nice work, 875 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,800 Speaker 1: and uh do appreciate Mike Mayock, our buddy, joined us today. 876 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,840 Speaker 1: Fun conversation with him. We'll be back shortly with another 877 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 1: movie six podcast for Cheach listening catching a thanks for 878 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: downloading Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 879 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,400 Speaker 1: For more, go to NFL dot com Slash Podcasts