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Speaker 1: What is up? Everybody? Welcome to the Action Network Podcast

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Speaker 1: The Action Network, and this is our NFL off season

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Speaker 1: update pod. We're gonna look at a few storylines in

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Speaker 1: the NFL before the upcoming draft. Obviously, free agency would

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Speaker 1: covering all things NFL drafts start again this Monday. For

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Speaker 1: today's episode, I'm joined as always by my co host

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Speaker 1: Sean Kerner, Action Networks director of predictive Analytics and one

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Speaker 1: of the top player projectionists in the world. Sean, What's

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Speaker 2: Welcome back? You know, this is just always a hecked

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Speaker 2: So it's always fun to just see the pure chaos

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this has been We have like a lot to

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Speaker 1: kind of set this up. The salary cap increased sean

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that team is going to look a lot different.

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Speaker 1: Was jumping to the players, and we'll go quarterback, running back,

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Speaker 1: like Dan Marino in nineteen three. Yeah, like he came

430
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Speaker 1: back in nine to four and he was fine. But

431
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Speaker 1: just any thoughts, like it's like the hundred millle guaranteed

432
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Speaker 1: seemed hefty for like a mid thirties guy coming off

433
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Speaker 1: an achilles.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'm not a doctor, but I did

435
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 2: say in a holiday, But it just it depends on

436
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: the position. Like we know, for running back, it's almost

437
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 2: a death sentence because that's such a critical body part

438
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,360
Speaker 2: for running backwards. You know, if a running back were

439
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 2: to tear their right labrum or something, it's not as

440
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 2: a big deal for quarterback. But that's interesting. I didn't

441
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: know that there hasn't been that many instances of torn achilles.

442
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: But again, like I like I said, I think just

443
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,959
Speaker 2: the fact that Kirk Cousins is a pocket passer. I mean,

444
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: he doesn't scramble much. He doesn't get outside of the

445
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 2: pocket that much either. I just see it not being

446
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Speaker 2: as big of a deal now I'm trying to remember.

447
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: So he here it in week eight, Yeah, so that

448
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: does give him some buffer. Like if he tore it

449
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 2: in the playoffs, that would probably more of a concern.

450
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Speaker 2: So I think he tore it early enough in the

451
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Speaker 2: season where he could potentially be closer to one hundred

452
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Speaker 2: percent by week one. But this is something where you know,

453
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Speaker 2: maybe it's going to impact his ability to you know,

454
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Speaker 2: be in the offseason programs and get chemistry with his

455
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 2: new team. You know that that could be the issue

456
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Speaker 2: really as opposed to like him being fully healthy by

457
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Speaker 2: great one. I think it could just kind of stunt

458
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Speaker 2: you know, the chemistry forms of his teammates and maybe

459
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Speaker 2: they start off a little bit slower as a result,

460
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Speaker 2: and maybe it takes a few games to get there.

461
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Speaker 2: So that's where I see it could potentially be a

462
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Speaker 2: concern for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, speaking of new teammates, he also

464
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Speaker 1: got Darnell Mooney from Chicago three years, thirty nine MAL

465
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: twenty six male guaranteed. So I mean Atlanta threw a

466
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: lot of money at this passing game. It can he

467
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Speaker 1: is either gonna go well, but can I could see

468
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: a situation where it goes poorly. Uh too if Cousins,

469
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Speaker 1: like you said, not quite there with the chemistry and

470
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Speaker 1: maybe maybe the injury affects the deep ball a little

471
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Speaker 1: bit and things like that. But I guess that's why

472
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Speaker 1: you have Bjeon Robinson exactly. It push comes the show.

473
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm like Cousins, I haven't really I'm gonna

474
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna continue to monitor him in the offseason, like

475
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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't really have a flag to plant

476
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Speaker 1: on Cousins yet because I'm intrigued. But I also think

477
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Speaker 1: there's like a lower floor than this, like four year,

478
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Speaker 1: one hundred eighty million dollar one hundred mill guaranteed contract

479
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: is suggesting as well. So this this is a this

480
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: is what I'm gonna keep a close eye on. Russell

481
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: Wilson to Pittsburgh for I mean, Denver's essentially paying his

482
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Speaker 1: entire salary. I think he's getting like a million dollars

483
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Speaker 1: from Pittsburgh and thirty eight from Denver. So this pretty

484
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Speaker 1: much just guarantees another year of mediocrity for the Steelers, right.

485
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Speaker 2: Most likely, I mean they're they're not asking too much.

486
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 2: Like you said, Denver's on the hook for most of this.

487
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: They're only paying a million dollars. Maybe at lights of

488
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: fire under Kenny Pickett's ass and he finally breaks out.

489
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: You know, at times, Russe Wilson did look fine last

490
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: last season. I don't think it's entirely all his fault.

491
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: So I think that, you know, he could unlock. You know,

492
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: George Pickens has massive upside with him. We saw, you know,

493
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 2: Cortland Sutton last year have a really good season with

494
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, so there's enough pass catching talent around him.

495
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: I think he could be fine. And you know, I

496
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: don't think Kimmy Pickett has progressed enough to really think

497
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 2: that he's the answer going forward. So does this make

498
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 2: them super Bowl contenders? Probably not, But the fact that

499
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Speaker 2: they're only paying him a million one point two million

500
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Speaker 2: dollars dollars this year, might as well try it out.

501
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: We'll see how it goes. But you know, there's a

502
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,479
Speaker 2: chance he can get some of his form from Seattle

503
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 2: back here. I don't think it's likely, but it just

504
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 2: seems like ask signing at least.

505
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the value is great, like anytime you can

506
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: get like a quarterback. And I think at the stage

507
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: of his career he's more bolow average, Like I think,

508
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: like the numbers. At times, he had decent numbers last year.

509
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: That was Sean Payton really putting on a masterclass and

510
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: kind of hiding him, and he still ended up getting exposed.

511
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: But I just think he has real issues when it

512
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: comes to reading coverages. And at this point even his

513
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: pocket like presence is it's just not there.

514
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 2: He's only too many like awful sacks.

515
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just he's just not seeing the field or

516
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: processing quickly enough. It's like it's like he looks deep

517
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: and then he and then he he like looks like

518
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: to check down or he looks to run. It's just

519
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: there's nothing in between. And with Arthur Smith there, I mean,

520
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: this could be a disaster. Like let's be honest, like

521
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: this is Arthur Smith. Russell Wilson in a in Pittsburgh,

522
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: the whole other fan base that's not going to tolerate

523
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: his brand of terrible news. I mean, it's like it's

524
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: a great value, but I can also just see, like

525
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: I am not I'm not moved by. And you also

526
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: got all these like spicy receivers that just like will

527
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: just pop off if they're not happy. So like this,

528
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: I can see this, not like I can see Russell

529
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: Wilson getting cut by like week five. Honestly, Like it's

530
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: it's that's.

531
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Speaker 2: In the range of outcomes. We might have to have

532
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: a side on that for sure.

533
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because like I mean, Sean Payton, Arthur Smith,

534
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: Sean like you know, like Sean Payton masterclass in that

535
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: mid season when when the Broncos are playing well. But

536
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: I just man, it's it's it's so weird because it's

537
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: such a good value for a quarterback. But yeah, I

538
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: still don't I still see the Steers maxing out at

539
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: like nine ten wins, and that's mostly to do with

540
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: their defense. But uh, let's get into the fun stuff

541
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: running back. I think we've we've always been kind of

542
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: dreaming about this, and it happened Derek to the Ravens

543
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: and two years, twenty million dollars. Sounds like it's about

544
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: half of that is guaranteed entering his age thirty season. Now,

545
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this, and I want to get your thoughts,

546
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say this about Derek Henry. Anytime twenty

547
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: seven or later running back's always going to be at

548
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: risk for that just fall off a cliff type of situation. However,

549
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: just from what we've seen to date from Derrick Henry,

550
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: he's still Dereck Henry the biggest thing that's been wrong

551
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: the last three years, because I know his numbers have

552
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: been a little bit more down compared to his career.

553
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: For example, last year, Tennessee's offensive line thirty first in

554
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: yards B four contact under a yard zero point eight

555
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: four to be exact, Baltimore top three in the league.

556
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: So you go from a bottom three to a top three. Now,

557
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: let's look at some of Derrick Henry's other metrics. In

558
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: yards after contact three point three, that's twelfth of sixty

559
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: three running backs, and that's anytime you're getting over three,

560
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: that's elite pretty much. Yeah, so three point three is

561
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: amazing for context. Gus Edwards two point seven. That's over

562
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: a half a yard less per carry. And you look

563
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: at miss tackles per carry point two for Henry in

564
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, that's actually above his point one point

565
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: eight nine career mark, so that he didn't fall off

566
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: in that sense. Okay, let's look at because obviously, like

567
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: I thought, he passed the eye test. But let's take

568
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: like a PFF grade. See how they looked at it.

569
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Speaker 1: Ninety point two PFF grade number three in the entire

570
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: National Football League. Uh, yards per route run was above

571
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: his career average last year. UH and UH higher than

572
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: Gus Edwards as well, since that's the guy that you

573
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: figure that's the row he's gonna take over. So to me,

574
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: I know, he could just like fall off all at once.

575
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: But as of that, I don't really think we've seen

576
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: even as much of a fall off as some people

577
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: are like suggesting, just because like his raw numbers have

578
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: fallen off. I look at I look at it as

579
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,959
Speaker 1: almost totally do to that Titans old line. And that's

580
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: why I think his yards per contact and his you know,

581
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: his grades and all that have stayed, and his mis

582
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: tackles have stayed pretty stable and consistent. But uh, what

583
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: have you seen with Henry?

584
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like every year, I feel like heading into the season,

585
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: we we do kind of discuss if and when Derrick

586
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: Henry will decline, and like we saw it last year

587
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: with like Dalvin Cook for example. I mean just think

588
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: of how good he was just a couple of years

589
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: ago and then last year, I mean he was barely

590
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: a functioning running back. Same thing with us Neckler. I

591
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: mean he did fall off quite a bit. It just

592
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: happens at this age. But Derek Henry showed no signs

593
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: last year whatsoever of slowing down, and like he keep

594
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: prefacing it could happen this year, but we have no

595
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: reason to really think that. And you know, he's a

596
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: different type of back, like he's he's a massive back,

597
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: big presence. He still had the speed, so there just

598
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: hasn't really been signs. Maybe he's the type of back

599
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: he is, he'll slow down a little bit slower than

600
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: some of these other guys. So I think this is

601
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: just a really good landing spot for him. You know,

602
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: he's going to be the workhorse back on a high

603
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: scoring team. I think this enhances his touchdown upside. And

604
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: you know, Lamar Jackson's a rushing quarterback when it but

605
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: when they get in the red zone, it's not like

606
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: he's stealing touchdowns in the same way Jalen Hurts does.

607
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,719
Speaker 2: So you know, Derek Kennery's going to be the goal

608
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: line back, and I don't really think he's going to

609
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: be competing with Lamar Jackson in that sense. So I

610
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: think he has a ton of upside, uh and he's

611
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: gonna be his usual, you know, high end RB one

612
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: self this year, So I'm not really you know, calling

613
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: for him to regress that much this year. I think

614
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: it's a great landing spot. What you said about the

615
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: offensive line change is massive as well. That could help

616
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: offset any potential decline he has is just better blocking.

617
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: So I love this landing spot. I still think he's

618
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: going to be a hand RB one in this offense

619
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: is here.

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00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and not just the offensive line and the

621
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: offense should give him more touchdown equity. But we know

622
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: how difficult it is for a defense when it's like

623
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: a Reid option and you have to choose between, you know,

624
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: going after Lamar or going after Dereck Henry, because even

625
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: if you go after Henry, you're not guaranteed to bring

626
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: him down. Like that's the whole issue, and like, so,

627
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I think this is gonna be great. And again,

628
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: like he's a significant upgrade over Gus Edwards, who is

629
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: highly efficient in that in that Raven offense throughout his career.

630
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm call justly optimistic here. I think the

631
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: what will probably happen when Henry finally slows down, It

632
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: will probably be an injury and then he'll just struggle

633
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: to come back from it. Because even Ekro last year,

634
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: I mean I think he got injured after like he

635
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: played the first game and then missed a ton if

636
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken.

637
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: And then hiding back yeah, ran something pretty significant.

638
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 1: Yeah right, So I think that's what it will probably

639
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: end up being with him. But as of now, as

640
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: long as he's healthy and entered the season healthy, I

641
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: mean he's Yeah, this is a great move for Baltimore.

642
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: They didn't add much, but that's quite the ad for

643
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: the Ravens. So what do he are?

644
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Speaker 2: You?

645
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: Still? Is Henry still a like a top ten fantasy

646
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: running back for you? Or like where were you running?

647
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: It's kind of the same thing almost.

648
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't really do initial pure

649
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: ones until the draft, but Yeah, he's absolutely a top

650
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: ten running back. Probably at the end of round one.

651
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: Off the top of my head, I think think that

652
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,479
Speaker 2: he should be around that turn.

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00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: What about you, Yeah, yeah, same thing, like like the

654
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: age is concerning, so you know, but at the same time,

655
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: there's only so many running backs that are doing what

656
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: he's doing and you know, putting up the kind of

657
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: underlying metrics and have that kind of offensive line, and

658
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a run still a fairly run heavy offense,

659
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: even though they switch to.

660
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: Plenty of the leading game scripts. Yeah, you know, that's

661
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 2: always the thing with him, is he's not a great

662
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: pass catching back or maybe his we don't know, but

663
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 2: they just never really threw to him that much in Tennessee.

664
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Speaker 2: So the fact that we don't have to worry as

665
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 2: many trailing game scripts will help him as well.

666
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's gonna help the Ravens too, because they

667
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: have they just play with their food every time they

668
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: get a lead. I mean, it's ridiculous, like so many

669
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: like these last few years, just so many bone leads

670
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: or maybe go back to that playoff game when you

671
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, you're just not handed the ball off, like

672
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 1: you're not handled the ball off.

673
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 2: To Derek Henry you got you got it Shues exactly.

674
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: Another really fascinating one. Not my favorite as a Giants fan,

675
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: but sake on Bar to the Philadelphia Eagles. Three years,

676
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: thirty seven eight MIDL twenty six mil guaranteed. This is

677
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: his age twenty seventh season. This is the largest contract

678
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: Howie Roseman has handed to a running back since with

679
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: Sean McCoy's forty five million dollar extension in two thoy

680
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: and twelve. So do you what do you thinking? What

681
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: are your thoughts? Like first thoughts when when you think

682
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: of Barkley on the Eagles.

683
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a crazy signing inside the same division.

684
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a great move. He's still pretty much

685
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 2: in his prime at twenty seven. I still consider him,

686
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: you know, maybe a top five back, top three back,

687
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 2: still one of the best backs in the league. So

688
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: could thrive on a team like the Eagles, who have

689
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 2: a much better offensive line than he's used to. However,

690
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: I kind of mentioned it, Jalen Hurts is going to

691
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: continue to get all those like goal line touchdowns, so

692
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: that's that's going to cap his upside a bit. But

693
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: he's going to be much more efficient in this offense,

694
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: maybe not as involved as a pass catcher as well.

695
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: You know, Jalen Hurts is more likely to pull the

696
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: down run than you know, check down, so I think

697
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: he's gonna be more efficient, but maybe less touchdown equity

698
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: and less pass catching up side. But it's a great

699
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: move for the Eagles. I think one of the things

700
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: they did struggle with last year was just the running game.

701
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: So I think that you know, having like a stud

702
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 2: like Barkley should help. I was kind of hoping, to

703
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: be honest, like the better landing spots for Barkley would

704
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: have been like the Texans or Chargers in terms of

705
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 2: fancy value. So this isn't really a great move for

706
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: his fancy value, But like in real life terms, I

707
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: think this this was a pretty good move for the

708
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 2: Eagles because I think he's worth it. He's one of

709
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: those backs where again he's still in his prime. I

710
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 2: think they're gonna get a few good years out of him.

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00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 2: So I thought it was a pretty good signing by

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00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: the Eagles.

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00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is a real departure from Howie Roseman,

714
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: who you know, we were kind of giving him props

715
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: for like cobbling together what the cheapest backfield ever last

716
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: year was like you had Swift, you had Penny who

717
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: didn't even need Yeah, right, gain Well's cheap, you know,

718
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: rookie deal. Boston Scott obviously is cheap. Didn't really play either.

719
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: But I do think number one, like I always like

720
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: to kind of look at, Okay, well, what what is

721
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: the thought process here? I think that the Barkley is

722
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: a clear upgrade on Swift in a number of areas

723
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: his yards after contact two point nine last year to

724
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: two point four for Swift. That's right around their career

725
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:34,959
Speaker 1: averages as well. Pass protection Barkley had a seventy six

726
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: point sixth grade from PFF, Swift forty seven point nine.

727
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 1: So more likely to be like a three down back

728
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: is Barkie than than Swift was. And then you know,

729
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: Barkley has shown that ability averaging averaging twenty point one

730
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Speaker 1: touches per game in twenty twenty three and twenty point

731
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Speaker 1: six for his career. Swift sixteen point eight last year,

732
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: fourteen point one for his career. So you know, Barkley,

733
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Speaker 1: I think I think there's what with this move did

734
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: it kind of just widened his range of outcomes?

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00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 2: Right?

736
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: He was still a top ten back in points per

737
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: game last year in PPR and half PPR. But what

738
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: this did is, like I think the high end is

739
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: like a poor man's Christian McCaffrey, because like they might

740
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: just say, hey, twenty six mil guaranteed, let's get those

741
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: two years out of him and let's try to win

742
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl here, and yeah, you know how like

743
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: the Niners were always kind of using all these committee

744
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: backs with Shanahan and then they get McCaffrey and he

745
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: just doesn't come off the field. I could see that

746
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 1: on the like on the high the ceiling for bark

747
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: Wee is down the same role, and then I think

748
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: the floor is DeAndre Swift's usage from last year, but

749
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: that's less likely. So I don't think it actually knocks

750
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: him too much, because even the touchdowns are what I'm

751
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: most concerned. But I went back and looked, and uh

752
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: so Barkley's obvious was obviously getting almost all of the

753
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: share of you know, giants carries, you know when they

754
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: got in scoring position, right, But being on a bad

755
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: offense really hurts. Because last year bark we had he

756
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: did have ten touchdowns, six rushing, but averaged just one

757
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: point one carries per game inside the ten and point

758
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: four carries per game inside the five. Now DeAndre Swift

759
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: getting only a forty percent share averaged one point seven

760
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: carries per game inside the ten, so point over a

761
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: half a carry more per game than Barkley, and then

762
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: point six inside the five to Barkley's point four. So

763
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: even though Swift was getting pretty much half the share

764
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: that Barkley did of his team's attempts in scoring position,

765
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: because that Egle offense was more efficient, he can still

766
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: get more opportunities. Now he's got to convert though, So

767
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: there's still a lot a wide range of outcomes. But

768
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: it's not like a gived necessarily that Barkley that his

769
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: touchdown eck where he suffered so like he could steal,

770
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: especially if the Eagles offense proved because they actually had

771
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: a pretty shaky year last year. So overall, I don't

772
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: I don't hate the move. I think bark We's still

773
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: a top twelve back. I'm not really buying this whole,

774
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: Like I know they're talking about like thunder and lightning.

775
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think you give a guy twenty

776
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: six mil at age twenty seven to to like, you know,

777
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: put him in a committee. I think I think this

778
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: they got this guy to play, to be like the

779
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: answer to McCaffrey in San Francisco for the Eagles. So

780
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: I think, you know, you're always gonna have that elevated

781
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 1: durability risk when you have a back, you know, past

782
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: his mid twenties. But I don't hate it because the

783
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: old line, you're you're going from bottom three OH line

784
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: to UH should which should still be above average one

785
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: even with Kelsey gone. All right, Josh Jacobs to the

786
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: Packers four years forty eight mil. I saw one report

787
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: that said guaranteed was only twelve point five mil. I'm

788
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't know if I've seen that confirm,

789
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: but either way, you know, Jacobs signed to a multi

790
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: year deals twenty six. What are your thoughts on Jacobs

791
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: going from Vegas to Green Bay? And Aaron Jones obviously

792
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: talk about him, but he moves on, So what are

793
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: your thoughts is Jacobs as the RB winning green Bay?

794
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: No? I love this landing spot for him, especially with

795
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 2: the Packers just moving on from Aaron Jones likely moving

796
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 2: on from AJ Dillon, so he could have very little

797
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: competition for touches on a team on the rise. Like

798
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: I'm pretty high on the Packers going into season. You know,

799
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 2: Jordan Love really came on towards the end. I think

800
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 2: he's going to be even better this year with more

801
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: chemistry with his endit. You know, they were inexperienced last year,

802
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 2: but he has a really good receiving core I think

803
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: heading into year two, so I love his upside here.

804
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: This is also a good news potentially for Zamir White,

805
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 2: who could enter the twenty twenty four season as the

806
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: Raiders lead back. He impressed at the end of last year,

807
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: so still time for them to sign draft people. But

808
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: I thought this was a positive move for Josh Jacobs

809
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: fancy value could be you know, I think he'll be

810
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 2: at least a low end RB one, but he could

811
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: have similar upside he had a couple of years ago

812
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: on the Raiders. You know, we had nearly four hundred

813
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: touches last year. I don't think he cracked three hundred touches,

814
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: so that that's kind of nice knowing that he didn't

815
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 2: get as much around the tires last year. And he's

816
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: still only twenty six, so he's pretty much, you know,

817
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: at the tail end of his prime. I would say

818
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: for running back. So I think he has a few

819
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: good years left in him, and I think this is

820
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: this is a great landing spot for him. In terms

821
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: of Tannasey.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so, I'm a little I'm probably lower than

823
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: the the un just a consensus on Jacobs here for

824
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: one reason, and that's I don't I think there's some

825
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: uncertainty as far as has Jacobs, because Jacob's already starting

826
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: to fall off that cliff. Because even though, like, let's

827
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Speaker 1: compare him to Aaron Jones, for example, Aaron Jones entering

828
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: his age thirty season has about fifty more career touches

829
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: than Josh Jacobs. So Josh Jacobs is still averaging over

830
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: three hundred touches a year for his career. And last season,

831
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: his yards after contact, which for running backs is stickier

832
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: than yards before contact, which is more of an offensive

833
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: line stat, it was a career low two point four.

834
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: Now his career rate is three point zero, so that's

835
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: a pretty big drop off. And then if you just

836
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: look at across the board in terms of his pass blocking,

837
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 1: his receiving, like everything was at a career low grade

838
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: in PFF. So there's a chance that like like all

839
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: this heavy workload is already starting to take its toll.

840
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: And the reason that concerns me a little bit, like,

841
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: obviously he's gonna get you know, he's gonna be that

842
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: that top running back in Green Bay. But Matt Lafore

843
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: with the Packers never had a running back averaged more

844
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: than seventeen point eight touches per game. Now, you did

845
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: have Aaron Jones average twenty two and a half over

846
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: you know, the last three regular season in two playoff games,

847
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: but like for a full season, he's never really ridden

848
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: a running back, you know, to the extent that Jacobs

849
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 1: was ridden even last year when he averaged twenty point

850
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: eight touches per game. And then in that in that

851
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: top five season year before, he averaged twenty three touches

852
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: per game, So like he needed almost twenty one touches

853
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,959
Speaker 1: a game last year just to be like an RB

854
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: seventeen to eighteen. Now you would think that this Green

855
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: Bay offense is better than being on that Raider offense

856
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: with Aidan O'Connell and Hoyer and Jimmy g But the

857
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: Raiders and Packers actually backfields actually had the same exact

858
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: amount of fantasy value there both right around twenty six,

859
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: twenty seven, uh in terms of uh, you know PPR

860
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: and half PPR points. So like there's a chance if

861
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: Jacobs is like inefficient and is isn't like what he

862
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: was in twenty twenty two, that it's just the Jordan

863
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: Love show, because that's what kind of happened last year,

864
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: where it was just Jordan Love and those pass catchers

865
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: and the like. Jones came on near the end. But

866
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: I just think there's there is some kind of unseen

867
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: downside risk with Jacobs. So I'm gonna still be drafting

868
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: him as more like uh mid range RB two. I

869
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: do think, I do think you and if you're right,

870
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: that consensus will have him as a low on RB one.

871
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: But I'm just I just see a little bit. I

872
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: just see a few different warning signs with Jacobs and

873
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: and Aaron Jones a lot more efficient even at this

874
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: stage of his career than Jacobs ever has been. So yeah,

875
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: I'm tempering expectations a little bit. Interested to see if,

876
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: like what Green Bay does with that RB two spot,

877
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: is it Emmanuel Wilson, do they draft somebody, do they

878
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: sign like a cheap free agent. That'll be interesting, But

879
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm not completely in on on Jacobs yet.

880
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 1: Tony Poward speaking of a guy, you know, we wanted

881
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: to be in on him last year. Thought he was

882
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: gonna do his thing in Dallas and it was kind

883
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: of like Super Mid pretty frustrating, honestly, But he got

884
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: a three year, twenty four million dollar deal from the

885
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans. Of course, they got Callahan coming over from

886
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: since he is the new coach, you know. Powered. It

887
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: just seemed like the the being a bell cow or

888
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: a feature back took its toll on him last year.

889
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: But did you see with him?

890
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean so last year maybe he proved that

891
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: he can't be or course back. Maybe it was due

892
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: to just his ankle injury. He had that tyrope procedure,

893
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 2: which can you know, allow running backs to struggle the

894
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 2: following season, So that could have been part of that.

895
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of a weird signing. I

896
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 2: like Taj Spears a lot, but I don't know if

897
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: he could be a workhorse back either. I think both

898
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: these backs are very similar, so they might compliment each

899
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: other pretty well. And this could actually turn out to

900
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 2: be more of a fifty to fifty committee than people realize.

901
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 2: So I think that would actually be good for the

902
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 2: Titans to have both backs healthy, keep them fresh. They're

903
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: both explosive, So I think Pollard might be a bit

904
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: overrated in that regard and Spears might be you know, value,

905
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: especially if Pollard struggles continue this year, which I don't

906
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 2: think they will. I think, you know, I think part

907
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 2: of it was due to his late season injury the

908
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 2: previous season. But yeah, I thought it is kind of

909
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: a weird saying. I don't know if this is a

910
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: great landing spot either. They really need to keep building

911
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 2: the offensive line. Their offensive line is an issue, so

912
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 2: I don't know if he can overcome that. But I

913
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 2: might be drafting Spears in those later rounds to kind

914
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 2: of be his you know, the anti fragile backup here.

915
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, because first of all, who knows what's going to

916
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: happen at quarterbacks. So this you're going from Dallas, who's

917
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 1: putting up you know, guarantee thirty every time they're at home,

918
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 1: to this Titan team that might take the three four

919
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: games to put up thirty points. The offensive line is

920
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: still not great. You know, they threw a lot of

921
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: money at cushion Bery, but like did he just improve

922
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: because it was a contract year. Did he like, did

923
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: he finally realize his potential? I don't know. So, yeah,

924
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: a lot of concerns. And like you said, tad Jay

925
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: Spears may just be the better back. And Poward is

926
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: twenty seven now, twenty nineteen to twenty twenty two, his

927
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: first four years three point eight yards per contact twenty

928
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: twenty three two point nine. Was it the ankle? Was

929
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: it the workload? Was it the age? Was it a combination?

930
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 1: You know? He was maybe he was just never meant

931
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: to to to get like, you know, two hundred and

932
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 1: fifty plus touches in a year, so you know, yeah,

933
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: a lot of red flags with Poward. I agree with their.

934
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 1: Austin Eckler to Washington two years, eleven point four mil age,

935
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: twenty nine season for him, he's been The thing I've

936
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 1: noticed about him is like, yes, I think the injury

937
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: contributed to the career work here, but last six years

938
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 1: yards after contact starting from six years ago three point

939
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: four three point two, three point one, three point zero

940
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: two point nine two point six, so he's been dropping

941
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: for the last six years in that and then yards

942
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: per route run, which we know is kind of his

943
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: calling card last five years two point seven, one point seven,

944
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: one point six, one point six, one point three. So

945
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: he's been trending down and in some in some key metrics.

946
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: He's twenty nine, he's on a new team. I guess

947
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna get that. Gibson Row, what are your how

948
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:49,479
Speaker 1: are you valuing him?

949
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Like like you said, he's he's really starting

950
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 2: to show signs of decline. He's twenty nine. Who knows

951
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: how much of that decline last year was due to Again,

952
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 2: I think it was a high ankle and he was

953
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: playing through So who's to him playing through that? But

954
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 2: maybe that was why his production was down. His touchdown

955
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: production took a hit. He only had six total touchdowns

956
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 2: last year. Washington's offense will probably provide him with fewer

957
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 2: short yard touchdowns this year, so that's a concern. Like

958
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: you said, Antonio, Gibson's off to the Patriots, so they

959
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 2: need a pass catching back. He'll certainly fill that role,

960
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 2: and you know he's gonna be a good safety valve

961
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 2: for a rookie quarterback. So I think it's important to

962
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: have a veteran pass catching back like him. They still

963
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 2: have Brian Robinson and Chris Rodriguez, who I thought was

964
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 2: solid last year. So you know they're going to mix

965
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 2: in on early down work that that would be one

966
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: way they can limit his workloads. So I don't think

967
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: he's going to be like a true workhorse back. If anything,

968
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: maybe he'll be in on the goal line, dominate passing

969
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 2: down work. I view him as like, you know, more

970
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 2: of an RB two right now than you know, the

971
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: top five pick that we've seen the past two seasons.

972
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 2: So I think I don't love this landing spot for

973
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 2: a declining player at a position where he's definitely, you know,

974
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 2: past his peak. So yeah, I think heading into this

975
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 2: season he's going to see a bit of a downgrade

976
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 2: in my productions. Yeah.

977
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: At the average salary under under six mil, I mean

978
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: that says volumes because you know, even you know Aaron Jones,

979
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: I believe got seven mil. You know, you know Swift

980
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: who let's let's talk about Swift, ye now, he got

981
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: about eight mil year three years, twenty four mil. I

982
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: guess my concern with him is that Khalil Herbert averages

983
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: three point two yards after contact for his career, whereas

984
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: Swift's at two point five and then Roshawn Johnson is

985
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 1: a much better pass blocker than Swift. So there's another

986
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: situation where I'm a little worried about how the workload

987
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: shakes out. But you what are your thoughts on Swift

988
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: to the Bears.

989
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm a big Khalil Herbert believer. I think

990
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 2: he's talented, underrated. They could have rolled with him, you know,

991
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: being the lead back in the committee with Roshawn Johnson,

992
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 2: who I think is pretty solid, could be a little

993
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: bit better in year two. So I thought this was

994
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,919
Speaker 2: a poor signing. I don't think Swift moves the needle

995
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: much for me. Still might end up being in a

996
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: three way committee with these two backs. But you know,

997
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 2: he's had durability issues. He was healthy for most of

998
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 2: the last season, but he just doesn't seem like a

999
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 2: guy that deserves this type of money, especially since you

1000
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: know Aaron Jones signed for you know, seven million dollars

1001
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 2: one year. I thought that was a better deal. Didn't

1002
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 2: like this signing. And again, I don't think this necessarily

1003
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: means Herbert's out of the water yet, Like I think

1004
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: he could still mix in quite a bit in this offense.

1005
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 2: So didn't love this signing. And I didn't like the

1006
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: landing spot for Swift either.

1007
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you mentioned Aaron Jones one year seven year

1008
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: old age thirty year. I guess we don't have to

1009
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:58,919
Speaker 1: spend too much time. And the one thing I'll point

1010
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: out with him is that all his underlying metrics right

1011
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: on his career norms. So another one of these guys

1012
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: really not showing any uh you know, kind of any decline,

1013
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: like it could all happen at once. But I think

1014
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: it's a good signing for the Vikers, and I think

1015
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: it'll be very motivated that Green Bay let him go

1016
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: for for a back in Josh Jacobs, who's not as good.

1017
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: So I think you're gonna get. I think you're gonna

1018
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: get another year Aaron Jones, Joe Mixon and Houston. Uh

1019
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: don't love it for as as somebody who just wants

1020
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: the Texans to kind of be great just because I

1021
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: love I love C. J. Stroud and I want to

1022
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: see somebody. I want to see him get in the

1023
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: ring with you know, those other guys and challenge mahomes.

1024
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 1: But uh, he's he's a downgrade. Mixing is a downgrade

1025
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: compared to Singletary in terms of yards after contact in

1026
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: terms of pretty like, uh, pretty much anything running the ball.

1027
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: He's a better pass catcher uh than Singletary. They both

1028
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: suck at past blocking, so they probably won't block much.

1029
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: But I still I guess they probably are giving up

1030
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: on Pierce or maybe he just you know, he just

1031
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: didn't have it. So I still I still think they

1032
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: need like a like a speedier compliment to mix In.

1033
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: So I'm not just like penciling in mixing in for

1034
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: like the full Singletary work was yet, because I think

1035
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: you could still see another move. But what do you

1036
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: think about this move?

1037
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's good for Mixing's fancy value. Again,

1038
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 2: attaching himself to C. J. Stroud can't hurt. But I agree,

1039
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 2: I don't love the movie. Is there another running back

1040
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 2: that you would have preferred they signed, like Barkley? Barkley

1041
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: sticks out as a guy.

1042
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: That I mean literally, I would have liked any other

1043
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: back Zach talked about. Yeah, yeah, I mean, because you

1044
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: would have been cheaper. But yeah, I don't love it.

1045
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he is the youngest of like those guys

1046
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: like it was Jones, Henry and and Mixon, like remaining

1047
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: and Mixon's entering his age twenty eight seasons. It's not

1048
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: as old as you might think, but just not just

1049
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: kind of like he's not really moving the needle for me,

1050
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: but his teammate T Higgins requested a trade. He's playing,

1051
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: he's set to play on a twenty one, twenty eight

1052
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: million dollar franchise. Tag potential landing spots. I think if

1053
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: he does get traded, Tennessee is interesting because you got Callahan,

1054
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: who you know was with Cincinnati over there. Obviously Carolina

1055
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: or Chicago Arizona would have cap room. People seem to

1056
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: think Houston still needs a receiver, but I mean if

1057
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: you got Nico and Tank Dell and he got Noah

1058
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: Brown and Woods, like, I don't I don't know that

1059
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: he that Houston is going to go after a wide out,

1060
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: But just any thoughts on potential landing spots for uh

1061
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: Higgins if he does get traded. Yeah, I think it's

1062
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: not going to well.

1063
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 2: I have no idea, but I think if he does

1064
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,720
Speaker 2: get trade, I think Tennessee makes a ton of sense.

1065
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 2: Like you said that Brian Callahan connection is obviously he'd

1066
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,919
Speaker 2: fit right in. Plus you know that the Titans still

1067
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 2: need to replace AJ Brown. You know DeAndre Hopkins is

1068
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: still decent, but he's you know, an aging star pass

1069
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 2: his prime, So it would make sense to kind of

1070
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 2: pair Will Levis up with a younger receiver like t

1071
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 2: Higgins and build from there. And if he does on there,

1072
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 2: you know it would certainly I think it would hurt

1073
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 2: his overall upside, less touch on equity playing with Will

1074
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 2: Levis and the Titans than Joe Burrow on the Bengals,

1075
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 2: but it could help him in PPR formats. I think

1076
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 2: maybe he'll see more targets per game, So it might

1077
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 2: depend on your format, but I think if he does

1078
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 2: get traded, Tennessee makes the most sense for both sides.

1079
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's what I'm thinking as well. The only

1080
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: thing is, you know, do they want to kind of

1081
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: go all in on the receivers when you know how

1082
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: much do they believe on Levis? I guess this is

1083
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: yeah the question too, because you know Cowahan, it's a

1084
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: new regime, so a lot of questions. Calvin Ridley another

1085
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: guy who as we were recording this, we haven't seen

1086
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: any movement on him, but remember the Jaguars did sign

1087
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: our guy, gave Davis to three years thirty nine mail

1088
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: the reports are new. England is gone and hard at Ridley,

1089
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: but he prefers to return to Jacksonville. Now, Jacksonville would

1090
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: have to kind of perform from Cap Gymnastics to get

1091
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: it done because they've been pretty active. But if they

1092
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: released Zay Jones, they could probably make it work. But

1093
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: my question to you is Ridley is thirty in December.

1094
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: He's only had one year higher than one point seven

1095
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: to seven yards per route in his career. Last year

1096
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: he was forty ninth of one one hundred and two

1097
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: qualified wideouts and yards per route, so pretty much middle

1098
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: of the pack. What is Calvin Ridley works at this stage? Like?

1099
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: What is Is he a true number one?

1100
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 2: Is he? Like?

1101
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: What is he?

1102
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably a solid number two? Okay, you know he

1103
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 2: did and he was so inconsistent last year, but there

1104
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 2: were times he was flashing some of the upside we

1105
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 2: all knew and loved from the Falcons, but we didn't

1106
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 2: know how effective he'd be because he was out for

1107
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 2: like almost two full seasons, right, So he was much

1108
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 2: better than I was expecting last year. But in the end, yeah,

1109
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: he ended up maybe being like more of a high

1110
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 2: end wide receiver two. So yeah, I thought that the

1111
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 2: fact that they signed gave Davis to a pretty big

1112
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: deal meant that maybe Calvinerly's out of it. I think

1113
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 2: for his fantasy value, I think landing with the Chiefs

1114
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 2: would be ideal and he'd be good like Rashid Rice

1115
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 2: and Calvini Lee would be a good one too, Combo.

1116
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 2: I think that would make a ton of sense, and

1117
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 2: I think that would be great for Patrick Maholmestock as well.

1118
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 2: So I'm kind of hoping that's the landing spot, but

1119
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 2: I've seen that it's potentially like potentially going to the

1120
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 2: Jags or the Patriots. Now, I think the Patriots, you know,

1121
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 2: they're going to have a rookie quarterback presumably, so I

1122
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 2: think would make sense to land a guy like him.

1123
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: He would be the number one receiver there and have

1124
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 2: some help. But yeah, it's kind of murky right now,

1125
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 2: like where he's gonna end up and what would make

1126
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 2: the most sense for him.

1127
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's kind of like Anna like Perga Toy, like

1128
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: between like a number one and a number two. Like

1129
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: he's like his best year was when he was kind

1130
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: of filling in for Julio as the number one, but

1131
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: he started as the number two but last year, I mean,

1132
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: statline probably could have looked a lot better if he

1133
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: didn't drop so many balls, which you know he tends

1134
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: to regress. But he's also thirty, he's had the mental

1135
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: health issues, So tough one for me to cap. I

1136
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: guess we just got to kind of wait to see

1137
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: where he goes. But man wide receive New England's where

1138
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: wide receivers go to die, so kind of hope it's

1139
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: it's not New England. But I think Jacksonville and if

1140
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: they if they got rid of Jones and go Ridley

1141
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: Davis Kirk like, that would be pretty dope, h for

1142
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: for for the for Jacksonville. So I'm kind of hoping, uh,

1143
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: the Jags do that all right? Before we get out

1144
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: of here, I just want to get your top values

1145
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: and your top busts so far in free agency. Who

1146
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: do you who do you think are the top value

1147
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: signings thus far?

1148
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 2: Well, there's been so many, so I'm just gonna to

1149
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 2: pick a couple. The first is someone who is near

1150
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,479
Speaker 2: and dear to my heart, DeMarcus Robinson one year, five

1151
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 2: million for the Rams. I thought that was an excellent signing.

1152
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 2: He came out of nowhere down the stretch last year.

1153
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 2: I just think he makes a solid wide receiver, three

1154
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 2: behind pookin a coup and Cooper Cup. And like I

1155
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 2: said that one week, I was I was doing initial projections.

1156
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 2: I swear to god, I thought I was looking at

1157
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 2: pookin a coup as underlying metrics. So I love that

1158
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 2: signing for him. The Rams keep that continuity going. Won

1159
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: me quite a bit of money in the playoffs. But

1160
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 2: I love that signing Aaron Jones. I thought that was

1161
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 2: a good signing too by the Vikings. You know, one year,

1162
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,919
Speaker 2: seven million, so you know you mentioned he still looks

1163
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 2: pretty good at twenty nine, just was unable to stay

1164
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 2: healthy last year. I think that's a good move for them.

1165
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 2: One year is very low risk. You know, some of

1166
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 2: these deals like Deandrews swipt three years, you know that's

1167
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 2: probably too much to gamble and running back. So love

1168
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 2: the signing. Also, it's inside the same division, so it's

1169
01:01:58,160 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 2: kind of an f you to the Packers kind of

1170
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 2: screwed him. Still love that, Love that signing by the Vikings.

1171
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 2: I mean, who the hell knows who's gonna be their

1172
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 2: starting quarterback. But I thought that was at least a

1173
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 2: fair deal. Just based on you know how much these

1174
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 2: running backs have been going for and he's still he's

1175
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 2: still an above average back.

1176
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's one of them. No, I think he's

1177
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: still a top ten back with went healthy.

1178
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 2: Top ten yeah, went health. Yeah yeah. Yeah, that's kind

1179
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 2: of what you were saying with Derek Henry. He wouldn't

1180
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 2: really like decline, he would just get injured. Bar That's

1181
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 2: kind of what happened. Yes, Aaron Jones was still really good,

1182
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 2: he just wasn't able to stay on the field.

1183
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, But the most recent Aaron Jones, it has been

1184
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: the best Aaron Jones, which at least we have that.

1185
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: But I totally agree. I think Aaron Jones and Robinson

1186
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: both great signings a couple. I like Zack Moss to

1187
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: the Bengals. I think this is how you put together

1188
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: a backdoone on a budget. Two years eight million for

1189
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,479
Speaker 1: Zack Moss last year, Joe Mixon two point six yards

1190
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: after contact Moss no last two years, sorry, two point

1191
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: six for mixing. Two point nine for Moss, so he's

1192
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: been better after contact. His rate of forced miss tackles

1193
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: is nearly double mixings over the past two years, and

1194
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,919
Speaker 1: mixing would cost more, would have cost more for one

1195
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: year than Moss would for two years. So great signing

1196
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: by the Bengals. You have Burrow, you have Chase you

1197
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: know you don't need, and you have Chase Brown, so

1198
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: you like, this is perfect, like perfect, perfect signing I

1199
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: think for the Bengals. And another under the radar one

1200
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: I'll go defense here Marcus Davenport to the Lions one year,

1201
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: six and a half million dollars for an edge in

1202
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: his age twenty eight season. That you're essentially buying low

1203
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: because he played four games last year, but before that,

1204
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: he had graded out in the seventy eighth percentile or

1205
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: better in each of the last four years, never lower

1206
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: than sixty fifth. So he's always been a top twenty,

1207
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: top thirty edge rusher out of over one hundred graded

1208
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: at PFF. So this is a perfect buy low. And

1209
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: if he's if he's even ninety percent of what he

1210
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: was before the injury, which is possible at age twenty eight,

1211
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: I mean you're getting a steal out at six and

1212
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: a half million for a team that has, you know,

1213
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: eyes on a Super Bowl. So love that one for

1214
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions. I know they also got Carlton Davis

1215
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: in the trade and a Meek Robertson, so they're trying

1216
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: to improve that defense, which is exactly what they need

1217
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: to do. But I really love this Davenport signing for him. Okay,

1218
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: and we'll get out of here with busk guys. You

1219
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: think that are just not going to live up to

1220
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: their contracts.

1221
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I like DeAndre Swift, but I just

1222
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 2: thought the three years, twenty four million dollar deal by

1223
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 2: the Bears just didn't make sense because they already have

1224
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 2: two pretty good backs and Klip Herbert and Roshawn Johnson.

1225
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 2: Not sure Swift moves the Neil enough and love the

1226
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 2: Aaron Jones one year deal for seven million, and then

1227
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: kind of a funny one for me, But the Rams

1228
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 2: made kind of a weird signing with Koley Parkinson three years,

1229
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: twenty two and a half million dollars. You know, Tyler

1230
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 2: Higby might not be ready to start the season. It's

1231
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 2: probably unlikely he will start the season, but this is

1232
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 2: still a weird signing. I thought Davis Allen had some

1233
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 2: upside and you can lean on him until Higby returns,

1234
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 2: and Parkinson is a good blocking tight end. But you know,

1235
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 2: you don't need to spend up for a good blocking

1236
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 2: tight end and probably won't need him as much with

1237
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 2: three solid wide receivers anyway. So it was just kind

1238
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 2: of a weird signing to me to be signing Kolee.

1239
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 2: Parkinson too close to like seven million dollars a year.

1240
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, every year there's like one or two tight end,

1241
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: like backup tight end that just get like starter money

1242
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: before they've ever shown it. Like Parkinson does have some

1243
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: receiving ups. He's not just a blocker. I think he

1244
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: is actually a pretty decent like dual threat. And maybe

1245
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: I mean McVeigh is smarter than I in you and I,

1246
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: so maybe he sees something. Yeah, No, this one, this

1247
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 1: one was a head scratcher for me too. But I

1248
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: guess this means that Parkinson's probably gonna start and Higby's

1249
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 1: probably not going to start the season, and then I

1250
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: guess Davis Allen will remain the back of that ILSOK

1251
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: a hunter long there too. I think he was hurt

1252
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: of last year or so. But you know the number

1253
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: for PARKINSONID Yeah, that jumped out at me too. It's

1254
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: a head scratcher, So we'll see how that goes for me.

1255
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: It's two guys, it's not even close for me. Two

1256
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: guys on the Arizona Cardinals who like, first of all,

1257
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: like why but Justin Jones and Balal Nichols, First of all,

1258
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: why are we signing defensive linemen from two of the

1259
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: worst defensive lines in the league. So Justin Jones got

1260
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: three years, thirty million, just under twenty mil guaranteed. Now,

1261
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: he graded out one hundred and seventh of one hundred

1262
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: and thirty interior lineman last year on seven hundred and

1263
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: forty snaps. He's only had one year in his six

1264
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: year career where he graded out as a top sixty guy,

1265
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: which essentially is a starter. So he's just been terrible

1266
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 1: his entire career pretty much aside from the aside from

1267
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: the COVID year. And then Bilal Nichols got three years

1268
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: and twenty one meal with fourteen mill guaranteed, and he

1269
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: was nearly as bad as Jones last year in terms

1270
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: of his great and same things. He's been declining for

1271
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 1: four straight years. Really hasn't ever you know, had a

1272
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: great season since that pandemic year as well, And you're

1273
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: talking about two interior alignment, Like, like, why are we

1274
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: giving these guys thirty five million? Guaranteed, and like the Cardinals,

1275
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: like you're this is it just is this head scratcher

1276
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: for me. So like, I know you have all this

1277
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: cap space, I know you're kind of sitting pretty with

1278
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: all these picks. But if that's if this is the

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