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Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live, presented by Calida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome into a Tuesday edition of One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown Snape task a review back on home turf

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Speaker 2: at One Bill's Drive. As it is an off day

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Speaker 2: for the players, they will be back at it tomorrow

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Speaker 2: out at Saint John Fisher. Wednesday and Thursday, we will

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Speaker 2: be back out there as well tomorrow. So we're in

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Speaker 2: the friendly confines of the One Bill's Drive studios.

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Speaker 3: In familiar surroundings.

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Speaker 4: Nice.

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Speaker 2: We uh, beautiful day. Oh my gosh, Yeah, it's really nice. Uh,

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Speaker 2: yesterday it was nice too, a little hot and uh

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Speaker 2: it's hard not to notice the hazy sunshine that we've

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Speaker 2: had the last couple of days due to the Canadian

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Speaker 2: forest fire, smoke drifting our way south of the border.

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Speaker 2: Air quality not great, and uh, I don't know, it's

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Speaker 2: just I looked, I read into it a little bit,

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Speaker 2: and the fires are coming all the way from Saskatchewan.

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Speaker 2: Steve like Sasketchawan, a lot further west than I anticipated.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I understand the jet stream moves west to east,

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Speaker 2: so if it's gonna blow anywhere, it's gonna blow this way.

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Speaker 2: But I didn't realize it was from that far west either.

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Speaker 3: I just thought it was We've had this before the

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Speaker 3: last couple of years too, but.

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Speaker 2: This wasn't a thing five years ago.

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Speaker 3: It's so vast up there. I think that I think

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Speaker 3: that got policy changes. I don't know what do I know,

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Speaker 3: But they're just letting them burn. They're not going to

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Speaker 3: try and put it out because it's out in the

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Speaker 3: middle of nowhere. Yeah, it's very remote. They're like road

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Speaker 3: resources wasting one hundred millions of dollars to send guys

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Speaker 3: out there to put a fire out in a forest

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Speaker 3: that nobody lives in.

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Speaker 2: They have to like chopper them in. Yeah, because there's

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Speaker 2: no roads. So you know what. Yeah, I just feel

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Speaker 2: I know, but I just feel bad that that much

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Speaker 2: forestry is just going up.

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Speaker 3: It will grow back, So it'll grow back. Yeah, they

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Speaker 3: only get rid of those pine beetles that's bothering.

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Speaker 5: You and me.

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Speaker 2: I got Japanese beetles whatever, which which I've come to

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Speaker 2: learn other people around the western New York area called

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Speaker 2: june bugs.

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Speaker 3: Those aren't june bugs. If they're green or if they're colored,

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Speaker 3: they're not june bugs. June bugs are brown.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these are copper and color. Yeah, those are the

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Speaker 2: Japanese beetles. When they flap their wings, there's green underneath.

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Speaker 3: The june bugs, I know, are bigger than the beetles

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Speaker 3: you're talking about, and they're all brown.

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Speaker 2: I'm up to bag six.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they're copper. They're not copper. They're the ones. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the ones you talk are colorful.

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Speaker 2: No, they're they're copper colored. Got a black head, right,

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Speaker 2: that's not a june bug to me. Okay, okay, Because

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Speaker 2: somebody was calling them that and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: does that what other people call that? I didn't know.

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Speaker 2: I just grew up knowing them as Japanese beetles because

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Speaker 2: they are an invasive species. They came over here on

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Speaker 2: container ships. Yeah, and there you are.

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Speaker 3: Yea.

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Speaker 2: I'm on to bag six with those.

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Speaker 3: Man. Oh man, I have not had. I didn't even

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Speaker 3: put one out this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's.

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Speaker 2: There they are. I think they are slowly dying off

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Speaker 3: But yeah, last year we had a couple of them out.

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Speaker 3: We didn't put any out this year. I don't know

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Speaker 3: why that is.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you had an evening activity last night I did

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Speaker 2: as well. Yours was more of the service variety.

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Speaker 3: Well, it was a mine was this charity golf, dinner

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Speaker 3: and play. Yes, we were on the area yesterday, were

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Speaker 3: because you got there too late over at Monroe Country

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Speaker 3: Club in Rochester. It's a charity that I've been involved

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Speaker 3: for Development developmentally disabled adults. Gives them a home, own place,

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Speaker 3: I and I am c the dinner. Always fun to

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Speaker 3: with them over the decades. But you know, you had

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Speaker 3: probably more fun playing Oak I had.

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Speaker 2: I had less of a I had less of a

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Speaker 3: I would love to have just been there riding along

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was fortunate enough to play the Oak Hill

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Speaker 3: The Ryder Cup course.

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Speaker 2: As you know, I just started getting back into golf

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Speaker 2: very very much a double bogie golfer, and this course

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Speaker 2: traps that are ten feet tall. And I will say

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Speaker 2: this about bunker Steve, I am a municipal course bunker player.

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Speaker 2: From this perspective, I've found on these higher end courses

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Speaker 2: the sand is very firm, so your ball doesn't get buried.

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Speaker 2: I find that I am a better sand player in

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Speaker 2: the powdery municipal course sand.

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Speaker 3: Oh so you think then I am in municipal courses

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Speaker 3: are much more powdery and fluffy than Yes, really.

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Speaker 2: At least they That was my experience yesterday.

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Speaker 3: A lot of times you get in the municipal courses

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Speaker 2: Well, the ones I've been to they're pretty powdery, fluffy

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Speaker 2: sand shot for me better. I get more help, I guess,

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Speaker 2: is what I'm saying. Because I was playing some ping

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Speaker 2: pong yesterday. Yeah, because I'm and forth across the ground,

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Speaker 2: I have no control. I'm just not good enough yet.

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Speaker 2: It's a fact of the matter. The best part about

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Speaker 2: my round was I was nine shots better on the

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Speaker 2: it is an indication of holbe First, did you so

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Speaker 2: you went overro Kill?

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Speaker 3: How's the club out? Are that they renovating that club?

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Speaker 2: They are?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, is there scavel? What's it?

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Speaker 2: Looked like they've got fencing up to kind of shield

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Speaker 2: the construction area, but you can see like, yeah, they're expanding,

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Speaker 2: putting additions out. I think there's gonna be like a

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Speaker 2: Donald Ross Pub that's the name of the guy that

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Speaker 3: I've been over there and I've plated a number of

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Speaker 3: times that they I've always been treated extremely well by

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Speaker 3: It's a world class facility for the sport, no question

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Speaker 2: Like you drive on to the property and you know

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Speaker 2: you're we're proud to have it as a as a

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Speaker 2: part of this region's you know, sports scene.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's pretty nice to get out there and

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Speaker 2: So thanks to my financial guy Austin for hooking me up.

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Speaker 3: He is a member. He's a member there, so well,

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Speaker 3: there's like seven hundred members over there. I mean, they

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Speaker 3: have two courses. The first the best course in the

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Speaker 3: region is the Okilles Course, of everybody knows, like the

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Speaker 3: second best is the West Course. Yeah right, so uh yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a spectacular property. Good for you, that's nice. Some

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Speaker 2: I don't think it was that I was nervous, but

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Speaker 2: I think on the I believe just based on what

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Speaker 2: I think is like top five hardest hole in the country.

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Speaker 2: I think something. I think that's what I was told.

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Speaker 2: And the funny thing was they're like, this is the

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Speaker 2: And that's those two are on the front nine, and

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Speaker 2: and then the second one was even worse. So you're

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Speaker 2: gonna laugh at this. Me and my college buddies, who

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Speaker 2: I was not playing with yesterday but I played with

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Speaker 2: earlier in the summer, we have we have a rule

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Speaker 2: because none of you know, we're just a bunch of duffers.

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Speaker 2: We're not regular players. You know, none of us could

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Speaker 2: we figure it for you. Our rule is, if you

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Speaker 2: get anything over an eight, you don't score it. You

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Speaker 2: just put a sad face on the cart. So I

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Speaker 2: had one sad face yesterday, which to me was a victory,

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Speaker 2: and it was on that second of the two.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's to congratulating positive experience though.

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Speaker 2: Oh my, got it. Just the landscapes there and everything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's beautiful's and that's like right out of an answer.

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Speaker 3: That's why you can enjoy it. That's one of the

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Speaker 3: sports you can everybody can play. First of all, it's

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Speaker 3: a lifetime sport. You can play it from the time

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Speaker 3: you're six years old to the time you're ninety five

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Speaker 3: of the cart, and one of the best parts about

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Speaker 2: The elevation changes everything. Holy cats, it's a challenge.

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Speaker 3: Awesome. Congratulation.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome.

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Speaker 3: That's that's great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a good time. So really uh privileged

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Speaker 2: to have done that. So that was cool. We've got

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Speaker 2: Bill's News to get to some pretty big Bills news

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Speaker 2: in terms of what could be a foot here. But

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Speaker 2: first the tre transaction that took place today. The Bills

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Speaker 2: filled the vacant spot on their roster left after the

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Speaker 2: free agent defensive end Justin Hollins. Hollins, of five year vet,

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Speaker 2: played in sixty seven career games, has ten and a

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Speaker 2: half career sacks. Played for three different teams last year,

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Speaker 2: Green Bay, the Giants, and the Chargers. Now with the Bills,

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Speaker 2: so the roster is full once again around the NFL.

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Speaker 2: We're going to jump into right away because there is

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Speaker 2: a Bills tie in here around the NFL, brought to

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Speaker 2: you by Kalida Healthy, official healthcare system of the Buffalo

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Speaker 2: Bills and the La Rams have reached an agreement on

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Speaker 2: a contract extension with running back Kyron Williams, a fifth

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Speaker 2: round pick in the twenty twenty two draft, Williams signed

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Speaker 2: a three year extension worth thirty three million dollars, so

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Speaker 2: eleven million average annual value. Twenty three million of that

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Speaker 2: is guaranteed, so almost seventy percent of the contract's money

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Speaker 2: guaranteed for Williams. He is in the same draft class

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Speaker 2: as Cook. And if we compare the numbers steve over

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Speaker 2: the last two seasons, Kyron Williams twenty eight hundred thirty

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Speaker 2: one total yards and thirty one total touchdowns James Cook

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Speaker 2: twenty four hundred forty three or sorry, twenty eight hundred

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Speaker 2: thirty four total yards and twenty four touchdowns. So James

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Speaker 2: They're very comparable.

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Speaker 3: They're very comparable. But the guy is the production is

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Speaker 3: And then you got here's the thing. You got Saquon

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Speaker 3: Ye, and then Kyen Williams now checks in at eleven million,

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Speaker 2: Right, He's somewhere in there between six and eight, right.

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Speaker 2: Which is kind of what we suspected back in the

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Speaker 3: Now, if that's already been setting and the Bills can

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Speaker 2: Yes, but then that also becomes a decision to be

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Speaker 2: It's been proven, it's been signed. It's a done deal

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Speaker 2: So it's in black and white. I don't know that

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Speaker 3: If the Bills think about this, and I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: We always know, we we always say in most cases,

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Speaker 3: Right, If it was that if James Cook stopped practicing

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing too. Look flip it back now. So

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Speaker 2: My hope is that it just gets things over the

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Speaker 3: And I think most Bills fans are right there. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think anybody would think ten to eleven

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Speaker 3: And I'll say this, you know, the Bills could make

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Speaker 2: And it wouldn't the numbers indicate that. So I don't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at age twenty eight. Yeah, he'll be twenty eight

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Speaker 3: He'll be twenty eight at the last year. Of that deal,

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Speaker 3: it's really interesting to see Kyron Williams sign this deal.

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Speaker 3: Three years, thirty three million, twenty what was a twenty

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Speaker 3: I don't know if James Cook was in that conversation

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Speaker 2: I don't know that we ever will until it's done

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Speaker 2: Bengals head coach Zach Taylor is following through on his

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Speaker 2: like he's following through on that. The poor Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 2: are signing another quarterback, Snoop Huntley, to add depth to

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Speaker 2: a quarterback room with most of them nursing injuries. Cleveland's

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Speaker 2: holding a quarterback competition as we know, among four players

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Speaker 2: Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel, Shador Sanders. Every one

443
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Speaker 2: of them except Flacco has been sidelined because of injuries.

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Speaker 2: Pickett had a hamstring injury, although he's back on a

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Speaker 2: limited basis. Gabriel was limited yesterday because of hamstring tightness,

446
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Speaker 2: and then Sanders was held out because of throwing shoulder soreness,

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Speaker 2: but return to full participation today, So they just have

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Speaker 2: another arm in there and Snoop Huntly. I mean, you

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Speaker 2: want to talk about a quagmire at a quarterback position?

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Speaker 3: My god, you've got we were listening. We were watching

451
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Speaker 3: sports television this morning, Brownie and I and making sure

452
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Speaker 3: nothing happened right before the show, like the like the

453
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Speaker 3: Kiraen Williams contract, and they they're keep You've got the

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Speaker 3: entire Cleveland media is counting each rep for each quarterback

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Speaker 3: and attempts and attempts, completions, interceptions, touchdowns, how many throws

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Speaker 3: they're making, what kind of throws they are that the

457
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Speaker 3: whole thing is being grat you know spreadsheet remember those yeah,

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Speaker 3: spreadsheeted by the media.

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Speaker 2: We've had three counterback camps.

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Speaker 3: It's you know, it's the problem with that is I see,

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Speaker 3: we see what you see. You see what happens in practice.

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Speaker 3: We all see what happens in practicing. Buy a ticket

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Speaker 3: and go watch these guys practice. What you don't see

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Speaker 3: is the conversations off the field. You don't know what

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Speaker 3: each play is designed to do, where the quarterback is

466
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Speaker 3: designed to look, where it's designed for him to throw

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Speaker 3: the football, where his first option is, the second option is.

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Speaker 3: You can kind of discern it sometimes, but unless you

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Speaker 3: sit there and study, you don't know. Then you don't

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Speaker 3: know what the coaches are coaching the guy to do,

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Speaker 3: what they're looking for in each play, what they're looking

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Speaker 3: for in each rep, all the side conversations, not only

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Speaker 3: on the field, but in the hours of meeting rooms

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Speaker 3: that they go into, and all the conversations are going

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Speaker 3: between those four guys. And I'll tell you this, I

476
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Speaker 3: would imagine those four guys are pretty friendly with each other.

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Speaker 3: They've been here, they've been down all of them have

478
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Speaker 3: been down this road before. Flacco in particular, he probably

479
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Speaker 3: has no problem sharing what he's thinking and doing with

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Speaker 3: these other three guys. And the other three guys are

481
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Speaker 3: they're smart, they're soaking it up from Joe Flacco. So

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Speaker 3: my point is, all of this other stuff's going on

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Speaker 3: off the practice field, it has just as much to

484
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Speaker 3: do with what goes on on the practice field as anything,

485
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Speaker 3: and none of us know anything about it. So it's

486
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Speaker 3: hard you're trying to decide what the shape and size

487
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Speaker 3: of the iceberg is by looking at the tip floating

488
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Speaker 3: in the water. It's impossible to do. I still think

489
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Speaker 3: that Cleveland quarterback job, although Flacco seems to be the

490
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Speaker 3: front runner at this part, nobody's played a game yet

491
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Speaker 3: three of them have been hurt already. There are more

492
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Speaker 3: unpredictabilities about the outcome of that than there are controllables.

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Speaker 2: Oh, the Cleveland Browns quarterback competition flip a four sided corner.

494
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Speaker 2: The closest thing to a corn maze that you're gonna find.

495
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Speaker 2: It's a corn maze cause you don't know where the

496
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Speaker 2: exit is, which way to turn, where the dead ends are.

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Speaker 3: You don't know, You don't know.

498
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Speaker 2: The Cleveland Browns quarterback competition is a corn mas.

499
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Speaker 3: A corn maze, that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 3: Uh listen, they they this year is an It's an

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Speaker 3: absolute wash for Cleveland fans. Bless their hearts, and the

503
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Speaker 3: dog panels show up and nel cheer for the They're

504
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 3: gonna win a cuple few games. I don't know how many.

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Speaker 3: If they win a lot of games, it will be

506
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Speaker 3: because they catch lightning in a bottle with for some

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Speaker 3: unforeseen reason at this point none of them because none

508
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Speaker 3: of these quarterbacks have it in the tank to come

509
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Speaker 3: out and blow it out of the water. Even Flacco,

510
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 3: he's won a Super Bowl and at one point he

511
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Speaker 3: was the highest play highest paid player in the National

512
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Speaker 3: Football League at quarterback. That those days are gone. None

513
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Speaker 3: of these four guys really have it in the tank.

514
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Speaker 3: Maybe they will, but coming out of the gate for

515
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Speaker 3: the two young rookies, they're not gonna knock it out

516
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Speaker 3: of the park. So the Browns fans are gonna sit

517
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Speaker 3: there and sigh.

518
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Speaker 2: Big along side. Yeah, it's tough.

519
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Speaker 3: It is. It's really really tough.

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Speaker 2: So that's around the NFL. Presented by Cold of Health.

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Speaker 2: Topic of discussion for you today, it's a big night

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Speaker 2: for the Bills. Hard Knocks Episode one at nine o'clock

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Speaker 2: tonight on Max. So we're asking you what do you

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Speaker 2: want to see play out in episode one of Hard

525
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Speaker 2: Knocks tonight. You let us know at eight o three

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Speaker 2: oh five fifty one eighty eight five fifty two, five

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Speaker 2: fifty those the numbers to join us. We take a break.

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Speaker 2: We're back with your phone calls when we return. On one.

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Speaker 2: Bills Live presented by Klid of Health, It's Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 6: Radio Tides Day is back.

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Speaker 2: This Saturday, August ninth, the Buffalo Bills will welcome the

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Speaker 2: New York Giants for their first preseason matchup at one pm.

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Speaker 2: Kids Day, presented by Fisher Pro Ice, is the perfect

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Speaker 2: time to enjoy a Bill's game with the whole family.

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Speaker 2: Starting at nine AM in the bus and limo a

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Speaker 2: lot at high Mark Stadium. The festivities kickoff with a

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Speaker 2: junior tailgate at nine which will have games, activities, and giveaways,

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Speaker 2: along with a dance party hosted by DJ Milk, a

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Speaker 2: must see experience. This year will be an expanded power Wheels,

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Speaker 2: track and photo opportunities with who Else Billy Buffalo, as

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Speaker 2: well as fun games and activities for all ages. Kids

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Speaker 2: Day coming your way Saturday, August ninth.

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Speaker 3: Love it, Love it, Love Kids Day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it had to be this one because it's

545
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Speaker 2: the only home preseason game we've got this year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Where are we with? I? Yeah, fewer preseason games.

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Speaker 3: I'm all for it. When they go to eighteen games,

548
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Speaker 3: and theoretically they're going to drop the other preseason game,

549
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Speaker 3: you have two preseason games kickoff, you know they I

550
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Speaker 3: have long been a p opponent of the Tasker plan,

551
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Speaker 3: where the season would start like the two weeks before

552
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Speaker 3: Labor Day instead of the day at week after date

553
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Speaker 3: Labor Day, they move it up. You should have two

554
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Speaker 3: regular season games, then everybody takes a buye on Labor

555
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Speaker 3: Day weekend.

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Speaker 2: Two games interrupt the season.

557
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Speaker 3: Two games pre season, two games regular season bye week

558
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Speaker 3: for the whole league. Labor Day, we all go out,

559
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Speaker 3: have a barbecue, backyard, cooler, you know, the whole thing.

560
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Speaker 3: Then the next weekend, you on that Thursday, kick it

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Speaker 3: back off and we're, you know, week three of the

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Speaker 3: regular season.

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Speaker 1: Let's go.

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Speaker 3: Then you have your regular bye week schedule later on,

565
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Speaker 3: so everybody get two bye weeks. I would come on,

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Speaker 3: that's brilliant. Well, tell me it's brilliant.

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Speaker 2: It's largely a good idea.

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Speaker 3: Largely.

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Speaker 2: That's the only place, the only place where I see

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Speaker 2: the league pushing back on this Tasker plan is I

571
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Speaker 2: don't think they want the entire league to go dark

572
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Speaker 2: on Labor Day weekend.

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Speaker 3: I could see, do you know why?

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Speaker 2: I know everybody's out, that's right, But ratings drop. Here's

575
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Speaker 2: the difference. People have a lot more TVs on their

576
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: back patios and al play brill and all that jazz.

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Speaker 2: So I think that is more of a misnomer.

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Speaker 3: Now, nah, now.

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Speaker 2: After you're a month, after you're a month into the season,

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Speaker 2: could you see the league wanting to just go dark

581
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Speaker 2: for a week? No, you want to keep the momentum.

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Speaker 2: So I could see them having half the league on

583
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Speaker 2: a bye, but not the whole league, no football Labor

584
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Speaker 2: Day weekend. After you just are a month into the

585
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Speaker 2: thing with two preseason and two regular season and then yeah,

586
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Speaker 2: you just go dark for a week. Nah, I can't

587
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Speaker 2: see them wanting to do that. They don't want to

588
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Speaker 2: be completely out of the public eye for a week,

589
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Speaker 2: you know, for week three of the season. I think

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Speaker 2: that's where you wouldn't get pushed. A lot of the

591
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Speaker 2: elements of that plan are very good.

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Speaker 3: Let me just say that, while you and I agree

593
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Speaker 3: on a lot of things, I think just the opposite

594
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Speaker 3: of you. You think in this in this area because

595
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Speaker 3: it's my idea, I know, and because right or wrong,

596
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Speaker 3: it's my idea, so it's it's right. And secondly, here's

597
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Speaker 3: what And for those of you out there who don't

598
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Speaker 3: know what Brown and I are alluding to, the league

599
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Speaker 3: has always put the start of the regular season past

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Speaker 3: Labor Day. They started doing that years ago because it

601
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Speaker 3: used to be they'd play and the ratings tanked on

602
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Speaker 3: Labor Day because everybody was out of the everybody's traveling,

603
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Speaker 3: everybody's going somewhere doing something. It was a big, huge

604
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Speaker 3: national holiday, and they didn't their ratings tanked because it's

605
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Speaker 3: summer and everybody's gone vacation, out of out of the house,

606
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Speaker 3: doing stuff, and the ratings tanked. So they got rid

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Speaker 3: of games on that day by just moving the season back.

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Speaker 3: I think you use it as a bye week because

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Speaker 3: I think it would be you get two games in

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Speaker 3: and it's it's brilliant, particularly for the fan bases. They'll say, okay,

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Speaker 3: we're off to a hot start. Now we're gonna now

612
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Speaker 3: we're gonna get even healthier. We're gonna get ourselves, we'll

613
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Speaker 3: find out who we are now we can after this buy,

614
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Speaker 3: we're gonna get fully rested, and we're gonna take off again.

615
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Speaker 3: And it's a fresh start to the season. If you

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Speaker 3: go out zho and two, it's like, all right, a right,

617
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Speaker 3: what are we gonna do here, Let's fix it over

618
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Speaker 3: these next two weeks and we're gonna come out and

619
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Speaker 3: start again. Right. All of that works for the and

620
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Speaker 3: the league wide buye isn't makes it an easy sell

621
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Speaker 3: to the union, the players union and the CBA and

622
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Speaker 3: all that. You're gonna get more rest for the players.

623
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Speaker 3: The season doesn't need the training camp doesn't need to

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Speaker 3: start any earlier. You're already there. You already got two

625
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Speaker 3: preseason games. Just turn it on, let's go, and then

626
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Speaker 3: take a bye week later. Then he gives you an

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Speaker 3: extra week. For the guys who get nicked in training camp, i'llah,

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Speaker 3: Max Harriston, he gets an extra week come back, You'll

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Speaker 3: get an extra game out of him. At the other

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Speaker 3: end when he comes back. Same thing with you know,

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Speaker 3: all those guys that are injured around the league. So

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Speaker 3: I the eighteen games, I think you start adding it

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Speaker 3: on at the front, not the back. And that way,

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Speaker 3: you know we're not playing into March.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not playing the super Bowl in Saint Patrick's

636
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Speaker 2: Day exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Right, So that's perfect. Yeah, Yeah, I still think.

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Speaker 2: That's I said, there was a lot that I liked

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Speaker 2: about it.

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Speaker 3: That's the plan, and I think the league wide by

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Speaker 3: creates appetite, not disinterest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, aight, O three oh five point fifty one eighty

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Speaker 2: eight five fifty two five fifty and I'm gonna jump

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Speaker 2: on board. What do you want to see play out

645
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Speaker 2: in episode one of Hard Knocks tonight. If you want

646
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Speaker 2: to weigh in on the potential James Cook situation in

647
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Speaker 2: the wake of the Chira and Williams deal with the Rams,

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Speaker 2: feel free to chime in on that as well at

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Speaker 2: ato three oh five fifty one eight eight eight five

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Speaker 2: fifty two five fifty. But let's go to the phones

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Speaker 2: and leading us off today is Ryan up in Toronto?

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Speaker 2: What's up? Ryan Christie?

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Speaker 7: Longtime boys. I would just talk to you guys saying

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Speaker 7: the second offseason started, But honestly, I had a chime

655
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 7: right after James Cook talk. I'm so tired of listening

656
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 7: to you guys the morning show. After in the show

657
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 7: about James Cook, let that I walk, Let him walk

658
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 7: and see test the market. This guy thinks he's take

659
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 7: on Walkley or anybody else. No he's not. This team

660
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 7: revolves in on Josh Allen and revolved around passing offman.

661
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 7: That's the way the legs. And to be honest, yes

662
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 7: he had sixteen touchdowns last year. Whatever one in a million.

663
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 7: It doesn't mean nothing. Let this man walk. His attitude suck.

664
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 7: He wants he came to uh however, Mini caamp because

665
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 7: he likes his money. And then his response is or

666
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 7: I'm sitting here because it's business. Come on, this guy

667
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 7: will have a mentality to win a championship. It's all

668
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 7: about the money. We want people who want.

669
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 8: To play from player to win a championship and winter

670
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 8: wind he at Lombody and bring it to a Western

671
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 8: New York simple as that. Let the man walk, be

672
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 8: Let him walk, period, Thank you, Thanks.

673
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 2: I'm fired up out of the shoes here.

674
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 3: It's been a while since we heard from Ryan, no

675
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 3: question about it, and.

676
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 2: He's got a lot of pent up.

677
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: Frus came back, came back with some matters, very nice.

678
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: I'm glad Ryan's not at the negotiating table.

679
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 3: Don't don't take his negotiating stance as a reflection of

680
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 3: his attitude. I think his teammates really like him, and

681
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 3: at least that's the vibe we get.

682
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: He's a hard worker.

683
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 3: He works hard. Don't let don't let Ryan. Don't let

684
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 3: your emotions affect your negotiating with James Cook. You know

685
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Yeah, it's business, and he can and

686
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 3: things get said and done. During you have to kind

687
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 3: of be varic, pull the varnish back and be a

688
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 3: little bit unkind and a little bit uncomfortable in negotiations

689
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 3: when you say why you don't want to pay the guy,

690
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 3: why you're not gonna pay the guy, and why he

691
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 3: wants to be paid, and he can point around that.

692
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: You know, he can make all the arguments he wants,

693
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 3: So don't don't let it get personal. He is an

694
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 3: absolutely top flight running back in the National Football League.

695
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 3: The Bills use him less, probably because they want more

696
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: of him. When he's on the field, he has delivered

697
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: when they called upon him. And most importantly for me

698
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 3: sitting here today on in early August at August fifth,

699
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: the guy's a home run. When he's on the field,

700
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: he handed to him and he may go and that

701
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 3: the defenses know that too. That's important. I get it.

702
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 3: I was with you early in the off season about

703
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 3: you know, listen, he's just a he's finger quotes, just

704
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 3: a running back. You got like nine million of him

705
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 3: around the country who can plug in and you get

706
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: a lot of that production back. But I went back

707
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 3: and watched a lot of games and dude shows up

708
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 3: big and when he turns the corner, he out runs

709
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 3: the defense.

710
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 9: On a team that is not known for being fast anywhere,

711
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 9: we don't have anybody that's fast fast, Like people are going, wait,

712
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 9: we gotta we gotta cover that guy.

713
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: No, James Cook's the only guy.

714
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: I mean.

715
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 3: Ken Coleman is a big, physical receiver.

716
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: Curtis Samuels fast, Curtis Samuel's Elijah Moore is a four

717
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: to three to five guy who they added this year.

718
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: Right, so all of that remains to be seen. James

719
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 3: Cook is the home run in the bag that they've got.

720
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 3: So I softened my stance when I came back from

721
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 3: a little break and I was like, you know, I

722
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 3: don't know, I've kind of rethought my position on James Mger.

723
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 3: I was right with you, Ryan, although less boisterous. I thought,

724
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 3: you know, we can do we can do okay without him.

725
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: And I realize it's hard for fans to understand this.

726
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 3: Don't let it get personal with you as a fan.

727
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: I realize it's hard for fans to grasp this because

728
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 2: all they see are players making millions of dollars. But

729
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: at the running back position, you bust your tail for

730
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 2: your first three or four years in the league and

731
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 2: hope the production is enough where you can get the

732
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: big second contract, because at that position, you rarely get

733
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: the big third contract. Right, this is the only swing

734
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 2: that running backs, even of cooks, cow get, So they've

735
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: got to hit on it here or they don't make

736
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: life changing money.

737
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: That's correct.

738
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: So that that's the stance that he's coming from. And

739
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 2: I think we all have to respect and understand that

740
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 2: to some degree.

741
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: And I'll say this, we all agree he's earned a

742
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: second contract in some way, shape or form. The guy

743
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 3: isn't a top flight, first tier NFL running back. I mean,

744
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 3: he's all he's he's all you know, Alvin Kamara up there.

745
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 3: So you know, he earned, you know, eight digits on

746
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 3: his on his contract a year. So I don't have

747
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 3: a problem paying him that. But don't And I and

748
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 3: I get it. Ryan from Toronto, Who's who's a who's

749
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 3: a good caller. He calls in regularly. He is a

750
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 3: little bit upset at the attitude and the sitting in,

751
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 3: holding in and not practicing and stuff. Don't let that

752
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 3: cloud your judgment of the kind of player, the kind

753
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: of person he is, first of all, and the kind

754
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 3: of player he is and what the Bills think of

755
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: him in his relationship with the team. They like each other,

756
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 3: they're they're good, but this is business and they got

757
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: to go through this. Everybody does. It's uncomfortable and it

758
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 3: seems ugly. It's not all of that all the time.

759
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here, but more of your phone

760
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 2: calls when we come back. Nick and North Carolina Carmen

761
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: and Ken Moore will lead us off when we return

762
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: here on One Bill's Live presented by Klaida Health, It's

763
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: s Buffalo Bill's Radio. What do you want to see

764
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: play out in episode one of Hard Knocks the Night

765
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: at nine pm on Max govern Bill's training camp and

766
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: their preseason. You let us know at eighth three oh

767
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: five fifty if you want to weigh in on potential

768
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: movement on James Cook, you can do that as well.

769
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: In the wake of the La Rams and running back

770
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 2: Kyron Williams drafted in the same draft class as James Cook,

771
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: agreeing to a three year kind of tract extension worth

772
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 2: thirty three million dollars, So you can discuss that too.

773
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: If you want eight O three oh five fifty open

774
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 2: lines for you there, but we go to the phones

775
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: and to Nick in North Carolina. What's up Nick?

776
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, Hey, Bronnie, Steve. So I just wanted to

777
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 4: I want to get your opinions on something. If because

778
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 4: James Cook is already basically said he likes his money,

779
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 4: and I understand he deserves to get paid. But if

780
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 4: he isn't training and he isn't preparing, how does the

781
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 4: coaching staff look at him and say, Okay, we're going

782
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 4: to put you out in week one versus Baltimore against

783
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 4: the team that's just as good as Buffalo, Like, is

784
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 4: there a correlation there? Where is he training on his

785
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 4: zone of preparing or is he literally just sitting out,

786
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 4: holding in and not preparing. And if it's so, how

787
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 4: does how does the coaching staff you know, put him

788
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 4: out there against Baltimore?

789
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't. You're right, they don't.

790
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: But we're talking two days so far. Today's an off, yeah.

791
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 3: And you're right. The longer he goes, I don't know.

792
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 3: If he's working out, I don't know what is maybe

793
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 3: meetings there, he's doing everything except the physical workout and

794
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: practice the way I understand it now, If if he's

795
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 3: not working out at all, not staying fit at all. Yeah,

796
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 3: you're right. Every day off is a days he's further

797
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 3: and further out of shape. It's going to take a

798
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 3: while to get out of shape from what he's been doing.

799
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 8: He's out.

800
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: If he's not doing anything for a week, I think

801
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: then you can start to get concerned about his level

802
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: of being in tip top sha.

803
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 3: Even so, yeah, even longer than a week, because you

804
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: can stretch it and all and do some stuff. But yes,

805
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: if he's not practicing, he's not preparing, And if he's

806
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: not preparing, he's not getting better, and it gets further

807
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 3: and further from him being able to just turn it on,

808
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 3: step back on the field and start practicing again now certainly,

809
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 3: or start playing again. Certainly, he can turn it on,

810
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 3: step on the field and practice whenever he wants. But

811
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 3: you're right. The closer they get to game time, the

812
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 3: closer they get to installation of an actual game plan

813
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 3: for an opponent that counts and the and he's not

814
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 3: doing that, the further the like away, the likelihood is

815
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 3: that he can actually even be activated for that game.

816
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to Carmen in ken Moore, what's up Carmen.

817
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not one to think that James Cook would

818
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 5: kind of pack it in and go fishing. I think

819
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 5: he's still staying active one way or another because I'm

820
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 5: we're hoping that this contract gets resolved. But you know, Ryan,

821
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 5: you know calling in, you know, getting rid of them,

822
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 5: I mean, I think that's a little bit of a stretch.

823
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 5: He's a crucial threat, you know. I mean, we got

824
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 5: players on our team and he's one of them that

825
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 5: keeps the defense, has had on a swivel, and he's

826
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 5: just two important parts to just say, yeah, you know,

827
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 5: just let him go. We can we could fill it

828
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 5: in with somebody else, So you know, I hope, I

829
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 5: hope they do get a result. But anyway, Steve, I

830
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 5: think I agree with the tasker plan. I I like it.

831
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 5: You know, it might gives a chance for a lot

832
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 5: of these players that got banged up in uh, you know,

833
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 5: in their training camp possibly you know, give them that

834
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 5: extra a week's rest to heal up a little bit.

835
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,959
Speaker 5: The two games, I mean, they're not going to play

836
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 5: on uh, you know, on Labor Day weekend anyway, so

837
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 5: what's the difference, you know, So yeah, I I like

838
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 5: the tasker plan. I hey, man, it's take it to

839
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 5: the King of Spain. Man, let's go with it.

840
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 2: Thanks, I appreciate your Steve's favorite today.

841
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 3: That's right for next until the next caller the Yeah,

842
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 3: you're right, it's tough to Let's let's put yourself in James.

843
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: Let's say you're James Cook now and you really feel

844
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: like it's a risk. You're risking all that you've earned already,

845
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 3: the the second contract, the long glorious career that he

846
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 3: could possibly have as a buffalo bill, like the Wall

847
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: of Fame, the whole hopes and dreams are all at

848
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 3: risk every time he steps on the field, and certainly

849
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 3: every cent that he could possibly earn after this year

850
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 3: is at risk. And you know you're sitting there going night.

851
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 3: I can't do it. It's still hard to sit there

852
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 3: with your friends and your coworkers and guys you love

853
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 3: and respect and who love and respect you, part of

854
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 3: your kind of a family there in the in the

855
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 3: running back room and in the team meeting room and

856
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 3: the whole thing. To sit there and just be there

857
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 3: and not take part because of that risk. That's hard, man.

858
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 3: It takes at and it's commensurate with how much you

859
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: believe and how right you are, so I'm you. You

860
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 3: can say all you want, you know, on the flip

861
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 3: side of how you know, as a fan and a

862
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 3: coach and a teammate or whatever, you're kind of bummed

863
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 3: that he's doing this. You wish it wasn't. But it

864
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: takes courage and conviction to do what he's doing.

865
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: And very often it helps. Instead of just saying yeah,

866
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: I like what he's doing. I don't like what he's doing,

867
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: ask yourself why why is he doing it? And that

868
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Speaker 2: might help you come around to understanding why he's taking

869
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: the position that he is.

870
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 3: That's he's It's like having a winning lottery ticket in

871
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 3: your hand and leaving it on the dashboard of your car.

872
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah right, that's he gets swiped.

873
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 3: Or with the windows down, it might blow out window.

874
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 3: You know, That's what it's like. You know, you take

875
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: that and you fold it up and you put it

876
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 3: in your wallet, and you don't do anything until you

877
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 3: get that thing to the lottery office. You you, that's

878
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 3: what it's like. Think about it. He has earned a

879
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 3: lottery winning lottery ticket already, he's got in his hand,

880
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 3: he's got he's got to put both hands over it

881
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: and hold it.

882
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: It's like getting the egg in science class. And I'm

883
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 2: going to take care of it.

884
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 3: That's right. You can't let anything happen to that. Once

885
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 3: you see it and maybe see it in that light,

886
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 3: maybe that helps a little bit. He's he's his entire

887
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 3: I'm sixty three, he's twenty six, the rest of his

888
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 3: for whatever, what's with his thirty eight years to get

889
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: to where I'm at or taken care of if he

890
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 3: can get this thing signed. So yeah, it's important to him,

891
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 3: and that's and it feels precarious and precious.

892
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: In a fragile position, that is and fragile.

893
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I understand where he's at. I understand where

894
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 3: he's at.

895
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Speaker 2: We have to take a break here because when we

896
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Speaker 2: come back, we're gonna be joined by Yahoo Sports NFL

897
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Speaker 2: analysts Nay Tie who's going to join us. He's the

898
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Speaker 2: co host also of the Football three to zero one show.

899
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 2: We'll have him weigh in on whether he thinks there

900
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: could be any movement on the James Cook contract in

901
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: light of the Kira and Williams contract extension with the Rams.

902
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Speaker 2: Nate Tice coming up next here on One Bill's Live

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Speaker 2: presented by Colt of Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

904
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Speaker 9: These one Bills Live presented by camelighta.

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Speaker 2: Health all Right. Second hour of the show here on Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tamsker with you. Thanks for joining us

907
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 2: here on One Bills Live and please to be accompanied

908
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Speaker 2: now by yeah who Sports NFL analyst Nate Tice, who's

909
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Speaker 2: also the co host of the Football three to zero

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Speaker 2: one show. And Nate's been busy, he's, you know, putting

911
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 2: together some preseason rankings for offense, quarterbacks, et cetera. First

912
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Speaker 2: of all, thanks for the time, Nate. Second, your top

913
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: ten offenses have some familiar teams there, but you've got

914
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Speaker 2: the Bills at the tippy top of the mountain here.

915
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 2: Tell us what convinces you that they should be considered

916
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: top dog this year.

917
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 10: I'm not sure if you guys are aware, but they

918
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 10: have this guy named Josh Allen at quarterback, so it's

919
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:54,959
Speaker 10: a very easy bet to make.

920
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Speaker 3: Some of them having one counts in the ranking syst off.

921
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 10: But it's really just the continuity I really like with

922
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 10: the Bills offense and the layers they've added under Joe Brady.

923
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 10: The last couple I don't know, two and a half years,

924
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 10: A year and a half, two years, however you want

925
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 10: to call it. But I just really like where the

926
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 10: run game evolved to last year. I liked what they

927
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 10: were doing with their tight ends, you know, with the

928
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 10: jumbo stuff, I should say, maybe more the offensive linement,

929
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 10: the continuity they have with their offensive line. And also

930
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 10: I really like the addition of Joshua Palmer. I think

931
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 10: josh Palmer is a good dirty work guy. You know,

932
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 10: he's a good auxiliary target. I call him useful.

933
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: Is he a superstar?

934
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Speaker 10: No, But I do think he does things well in

935
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 10: certain roles, and I think some of his dirty work stuff,

936
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 10: you know, being able to block and be physical what

937
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 10: I call a power slot essentially be a de facto

938
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Speaker 10: tight end even though you're a receiver. I think he

939
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 10: can really do some cool stuff with Don't Kincaid where

940
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Speaker 10: they have kind of an inverse game where Kinkaid is

941
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 10: split out and Palmer is split in as kind of

942
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 10: like he's the tight end and he's the de facto receiver.

943
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 10: So I think I really like that addition. It was

944
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 10: kind of what Mac Hall was, that role that he

945
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 10: was in this Bill's offense just doing a little bit

946
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 10: of everything, but just has a little bit more juice

947
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 10: to him. So just little additions like that, I feel

948
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 10: like the James Cook stuff will sort itself out. I'm

949
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 10: hoping Spencer Brown comes back healthy because I mean, I

950
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 10: mentioned the continuity with this offense line. This offense line

951
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 10: has been way healthy the last couple of seasons, So

952
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 10: I just, you know, hopefully I'm not jinxing anything saying

953
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 10: that maybe Buffalo's doing.

954
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: Something with their o line help, but even if.

955
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 10: They have a blemish there, I just really think this

956
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 10: offense is set up to do a lot of things well.

957
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 3: Today, kyn Williams, Los Angeles Rams running back signed an extension.

958
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 3: Jim James Cook is looking for one here in Buffalo.

959
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 3: And you mentioned the Bill's running game, like you, we

960
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 3: were a little taken aback when Joe Brady took over.

961
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 3: They went from a sixty to forty pass run to

962
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 3: like a fifty to fifty pass run ratio, and it's

963
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 3: been right there ever since. Now, some of that is

964
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 3: being up on teams late in the fourth court. Mitch

965
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 3: Trubisky's handing the ball off a little bit of that.

966
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 3: So that's a little bit of the percentage. But do

967
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 3: you you know, you look at Baltimore's offense with Derrick Henry,

968
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 3: you look at other offenses around the league. The running

969
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 3: game is kind of bouncing back. Is that a trend?

970
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 3: Do you think will continue? Yeah?

971
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 10: And really it's so much fun how the NFL is

972
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 10: just the cycles of the NFL and what they call

973
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 10: it the meta, you know, what changes year to year,

974
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 10: But what also is what's old is new again? Like

975
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 10: this flavor of football is the passing games are of

976
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 10: course more modern, but kind of what is happening with

977
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 10: defenses right now and the offensive answers because of that,

978
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 10: that's become really interesting. It reminds me a lot of

979
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 10: like the Oughts, you know, the two thousand and five

980
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 10: ish era of the NFL, where we saw a lot

981
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 10: of cover two modern defenses. The Skies it a lot

982
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 10: better and they do a lot more inverse things. But

983
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 10: why that affects the offense is offenses are bigger now.

984
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 10: Offensive linemen are getting bigger as they enter the league,

985
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 10: but defenses are getting smaller. Front seven defenders have dropped

986
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 10: I think, on average, about eight or nine pounds over

987
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 10: the last decade, and because of that, offenses just going well,

988
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 10: all right, light bodies, light boxes, which is road graded,

989
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 10: which is run right at it, and steal five yards.

990
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 10: A five yard game of first down is golden in

991
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 10: the NFL. It's what you want. It's a successful play.

992
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 10: So I think that's what rather than just beating their

993
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 10: heads against the wall, that it's really more respecting what

994
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 10: defenses are and just taking what they're giving you and

995
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 10: hopefully you just turn Okay, yeah, we got a five

996
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 10: yard game.

997
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: Maybe we can find a way to get twelve. Maybe

998
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: we can find a way to get fifteen.

999
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 10: The Bills answer to that was running a lot of

1000
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 10: under center stuff and running a lot of zone, getting

1001
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 10: that jumbo tighten onto the field, run a lot of zone,

1002
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 10: and the running backs were really well coached, not just

1003
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 10: Cook but all the backups as well, Ray Davis as well,

1004
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 10: and just finding those back cuts, you know, the back zones,

1005
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 10: and they get these looks because of the respect Josh

1006
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 10: Allen gets. Defense is just terrified. Even if no one

1007
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 10: on the receiving corps runs a four to two, they're

1008
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 10: still kind of scared of Josh Allen's arm and the

1009
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 10: explosive plays that he can generate like that. So this

1010
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 10: is an answer of defense is becoming almost safer and like, hey,

1011
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 10: we'll just we'll be safety and we'll just catch everything.

1012
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 10: So the offenses are finding new ways attacked. Now, how

1013
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 10: you do that is you have to find ways to

1014
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 10: generate explosive plays. You need a quarterback that has some

1015
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 10: cajones to them, but also you want to just punch

1016
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 10: them in the nose a little bit with running the

1017
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 10: game and stealing those five six yards. If they're just

1018
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 10: going to give it to you, that's winning football. And

1019
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 10: that's kind of the formula I of offenses are finding

1020
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 10: right now.

1021
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 2: All right, So let's spin that into you know, your

1022
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 2: top ten quarterback rankings, and I think you know it's not.

1023
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 2: I don't think your rankings list is outlandish at all.

1024
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 2: I think it. I think a lot of people would

1025
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: tend to.

1026
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 3: Agree with it.

1027
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 2: Are you. So you had Mahomes at the top with

1028
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 2: Josh right behind him. Am I safe in assuming that

1029
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: that's largely due to, you know, the success he's had

1030
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,479
Speaker 2: as the premier guy getting his team to the Super

1031
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: Bowl out of the AFC.

1032
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean it's just it's respective his resume.

1033
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 10: It's I think it's more Josh and Lamar have closed

1034
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 10: the gap. I considered Mahomes so much on his own

1035
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 10: own tier. And the thing with my Holmes is the

1036
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 10: what I see him do in two minutes, no matter

1037
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 10: who is around him, when the ball actually is in

1038
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,720
Speaker 10: his hands. You know that last year that Chiefs offense

1039
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 10: had to do a lot to insulate so just the

1040
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 10: whole bottom didn't fall out, So they had to become

1041
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 10: this jab heavy nickel and dime offense, not even nickel

1042
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 10: and dime nickel and penny offense. And that was more

1043
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 10: just like a blip of what they had to go

1044
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 10: through because they had known the block at left tackle especially,

1045
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 10: and they also just had no speed at receiver, so

1046
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 10: they were just a high to be a hyper efficient thing.

1047
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 10: So I have it's just a respect thing because I

1048
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,959
Speaker 10: still thought he played good last year.

1049
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was ranked eighth, tenth and.

1050
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 10: Kind of a lot of the metrics I look at,

1051
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 10: But still it's just what he had to deal with.

1052
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 10: Only the top guys can deal with that, But I

1053
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 10: really don't. It's not a slight to Josh Allen. I've

1054
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 10: been a Josh Allen kind of a I've been in

1055
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 10: his corner ever since he got drafted. I remember that

1056
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 10: Vikings game when they're seventeen and a half point underdogs.

1057
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: I remember that.

1058
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 10: I'm leaping over guys like you know, but it's just

1059
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 10: more of a respecting to what Mahomes is put together.

1060
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 10: And I think those three guys are just Lamar Jackson included,

1061
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 10: are I mean Hall of Fame caliber guys and just unbelievable,

1062
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 10: like pick him out of a hat. I think all

1063
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 10: three could be the top guy, and I wouldn't really

1064
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 10: squint at you at all.

1065
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 3: Right, Well, there's always this group that it's Pat, Josh, Lamar,

1066
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow's usually up there. Matt Stafford, while he's long

1067
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 3: in the tooth, still a quality guy when he's healthy.

1068
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 3: There's now there's a new generation. There's the bo Nixes

1069
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 3: of the world. There's the Drake Mays of the world,

1070
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels of the world. Who is the next guy

1071
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 3: that like people are well, I think he should be

1072
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 3: up there with Mahomes and Jai. Who's that guy gonna

1073
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 3: be the guy that's going to jump into that tier

1074
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,760
Speaker 3: with Josh, Lamar, Pat and Joe.

1075
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 10: You probably don't want to hear this because he's in

1076
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 10: your division, But Drake May. I think Drake May a

1077
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:47,439
Speaker 10: special I'm fine saying it. Entering his second year, super

1078
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 10: high on them going into the draft. I didn't think

1079
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 10: he had to sit. I think he's got all the tools,

1080
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 10: and there was comparisons to that justin Herber and Josh

1081
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 10: Allen all that he's smaller than Josh Allen. I mean

1082
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 10: a lot of quarterbacks are, but that place doile what's

1083
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 10: going back to the defensive question or just talking about

1084
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 10: what offenses and defense are doing right now. To be

1085
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 10: a quarterback, to be a successful quarterback right now, you've

1086
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 10: got to generate exposive place. So you need a guy

1087
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 10: that's not only just has a hose for an arm,

1088
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 10: but is willing to use it.

1089
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: And that's what Drake May is.

1090
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 10: He's a walking, talking exposed to play and so that's

1091
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 10: where I think his upside, his ceiling is being one

1092
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 10: of the dudes that we just talked about. I really

1093
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 10: respect Jane Daniel. I think he's going to be a

1094
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 10: very good one as well. And same with Cale Williams.

1095
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 10: I'm actually not out on Cale Williams at all. I

1096
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 10: think Kill Williams's style is going to be different than

1097
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 10: people anticipated. I think everyone sees the free willing highlights

1098
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 10: and low lights with Sacks, But I really do think

1099
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 10: he's going to be more of a hyper efficient quarterback.

1100
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 10: But I think May will end up being the one

1101
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 10: from that group. I'm very excited to see how he

1102
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 10: progresses this year.

1103
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: I know I want to.

1104
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 10: Bill's show saying that, but it's cool to see much

1105
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 10: like Josh did and then expanding his kind of mental capacity.

1106
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 10: I mean, watching Josh Allen presnap, It's something I just

1107
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 10: keep trying to come hammer home that Josh Allen's just

1108
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 10: not a freak athlete.

1109
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: He's so good mentally as well. Is that I think.

1110
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 10: Drake May has a little bit more advancement to him,

1111
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 10: even at a young age with not a lot of

1112
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 10: starts on He was a retrod sophomore coming out.

1113
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: Now it's the second year.

1114
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 10: I do think he has more mental advancement to him

1115
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 10: that I'm excited to see where his growth this year.

1116
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we're kind of I mean as bullish

1117
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 2: as a division rival could be. Like Steve and I

1118
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 2: both think that the Patriots are probably the second place

1119
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 2: team in this division behind Buffalo this year, just with

1120
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 2: the addition of Rabel, another year for Drake May and

1121
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: the system well new system, albeit under Josh McDaniels. But

1122
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 2: we think they could be like a five hundred team.

1123
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 2: Their schedule is super easy. Also, Steve touched on James Cook.

1124
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 2: We typically see that when another player at the same

1125
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: position with similar production gets a contract extension, that it

1126
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: usually leads to movement for another player in a similar position.

1127
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 2: And Kyron Williams is a fifth round pick, same draft

1128
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: class as James Cook, very comparable production, although he played

1129
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: in a lot more snaps on the field last year

1130
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 2: than Cook did eighty three to forty eight. Yeah, but

1131
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 2: still in all you see this three year contract extension

1132
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 2: for kyn Williams, How optimistic do you think Bills fans

1133
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 2: should be that these parameters will help smooth out maybe

1134
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 2: some of the rough patches in the negotiations between the

1135
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 2: Bills camp and the Cook camp.

1136
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1137
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 10: I feel like it's gonna get done, and maybe Cook's

1138
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 10: just going again. I don't know anything. This is just outside,

1139
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 10: you know, painting. My narrative picture is, oh yeah, that

1140
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 10: I'm just gonna save some body blows while we work

1141
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 10: this deal out, until my pen is signing this and

1142
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 10: then what's okay, We're signed, then I can get to camp.

1143
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm not too worried about it happening.

1144
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 10: Running Backs is just an interesting market always, but I

1145
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 10: do think the value of them is kicking up. But

1146
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 10: that's why guys like Karen Williams are getting paid, because

1147
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 10: I do think that is the markt the tier of

1148
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 10: player that.

1149
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:56,439
Speaker 1: These two guys are.

1150
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 10: It's it's so hard because Karen Williams in that Rams offense,

1151
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 10: they want the running back to take the majority of snaps.

1152
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 10: I'm glad he brought up the snap count numbers because

1153
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 10: actually I was going to look them up as well,

1154
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 10: you know, being in the eighty percents. That's what they

1155
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 10: wanted with Todd Gurley when he was in that offense

1156
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 10: under Sean McVay. So those guys have a high usage,

1157
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 10: which you know can get scary as running backs got old.

1158
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 10: It's a lot of touches that they asked him to take,

1159
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 10: a lot of blows. James Cook is super explosive. He's

1160
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 10: way more explosive than Kyroen Kien is more of a

1161
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 10: Etro type running back, singles, doubles, really good pass protection.

1162
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 10: James Cook is again, like I used with Drake maya walking, talking,

1163
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 10: explosive play who has become such a like, such a

1164
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 10: good inside the tackles runner. I always had worries about that,

1165
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 10: and he has just become so much better with that.

1166
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 10: But you just brought up a snap count. I always

1167
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 10: think James Cook is always going to need a one,

1168
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 10: B A two with him to take some of the

1169
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 10: blows just because of his body size. Kyen Williams is

1170
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 10: a small too, but the Rams are saying, Okay, that's

1171
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 10: what we're going with.

1172
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: So I think that this helps.

1173
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 10: You know, always kind of go with the gauge with

1174
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 10: the number is because I don't think he gets that

1175
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 10: upper echelon money and I think the Bills don't want

1176
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 10: to do that as well. But I think this is

1177
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 10: more tolerable for everybody you know involved. He gets paid

1178
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 10: in his prime and also it's just kind of like, again,

1179
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 10: this is a tier of money they should take. But yeah,

1180
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 10: I think it's going to solve itself pretty soon.

1181
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 3: One of the things about the NFL is you know

1182
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 3: the parody and you always have. It seems over the

1183
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 3: last couple of decades, almost two decades, there's been one

1184
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 3: team in the league that has gone from worse in

1185
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 3: their division to first or getting in the playoffs. You've

1186
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 3: got New England, Cleveland, Tennessee, and Las Vegas in the AFC.

1187
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 3: You've got the Giants, Chicago, New Orleans, and San Francisco

1188
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 3: in the NFC, And the last name I read every

1189
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 3: time is San Francisco. And I was shocked to see

1190
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 3: them like last in that division. Certainly, the health of

1191
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 3: their team had deprived of me, you know, and McCaffrey

1192
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 3: not being able to play for as many games as

1193
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 3: he was out of certainly crippled their abilities. But a

1194
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 3: lot of people may believe that San Francisco is not

1195
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 3: going to be the team that goes from worse to first.

1196
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 3: They may take a step back because of the top

1197
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 3: heavy nature of their roster. What are your thoughts on

1198
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 3: any team in there that may go from worse to first?

1199
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 3: Do you think we'll see that this year? Will this

1200
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 3: be a team a year there where that gets a pass?

1201
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 10: The last two teams you mentioned there are would be

1202
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 10: the ones if I were a betting man, which I am,

1203
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 10: would be the ones I'd bet on.

1204
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: You know, I think the MC North.

1205
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 10: Just because really those I think those divisions have a

1206
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 10: lot of good units, and everyone just kind of beats

1207
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 10: up on each other. Like I think the winner of

1208
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 10: those divisions MC North AMC West I'm talking.

1209
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: About are is going to win. We're gonna go like

1210
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: ten and seven.

1211
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 10: You know, I don't see the Lions Vikings running away

1212
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 10: with it this year because I think the improvement. I

1213
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 10: think the Packers are really good, and I think they

1214
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 10: face deport schedules this year as well outside of their

1215
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 10: own division. So I think the two teams, while I'm

1216
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 10: saying that I was the Bears and forty nine Ers,

1217
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 10: I have similar concerns with you where I think the

1218
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 10: Foreign errors are more of a playoff team this year potentially,

1219
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 10: or that's what they're aiming for the upside of them.

1220
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 10: I think their win toll right now Vegas is ten

1221
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 10: and a half, So I think that's kind of fair

1222
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 10: about where I gauge him two. I see him as

1223
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 10: a nine to eight team, maybe ten and seven because

1224
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 10: of some of the blemishes that they have. The offensive

1225
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 10: line is very dependent on Kyle Shanahan really dialing some

1226
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 10: stuff up, and I do think that the defense, you know,

1227
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 10: they've just had weird injuries. Some guys have left as well,

1228
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 10: Drake Greenlawfonga, Mile Mustafa is a guy they drafted. He's hurt,

1229
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 10: but then they drafted some guys. I really like Mikel

1230
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 10: Williams in the first round. I really like him as

1231
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 10: a compliment to Nick Bosa, and I think I think

1232
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 10: he's gonna be a plus run defender as soon as

1233
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 10: he steps onto the field. Like I'm really excited to

1234
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 10: watch Mikel Williams. But again, it's like I felt like

1235
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 10: they needed one more offseason to kind of reinforce everybody.

1236
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 10: So I am optimistic about where because where they're at

1237
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 10: because I think, no matter what, they have a top

1238
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 10: ten offense because Kyle Shanahan and I think brock perty

1239
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 10: is ascended. I don't think he's a top ten guy,

1240
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 10: but I do think Purty is like legitimate, Okay, he's

1241
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 10: top half of the league.

1242
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: You can win with this guy.

1243
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 10: Obviously he made it to the Super Bowls, so you

1244
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 10: can win with them a decent amount. I think the

1245
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 10: receiver room is interesting there because I think they're trying

1246
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 10: to figure out who's going to actually just be healthy.

1247
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 10: I also think that they're trying to shift to maybe

1248
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 10: more two tight end looks. They signed this guy Luke

1249
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 10: Ferrell from the Jags. I actually really like that as

1250
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 10: a sneaky signing, so I think they're trying to kind

1251
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 10: of insulate themselves from the any drop off there. But yeah,

1252
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 10: they have some question marks and that division is a

1253
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 10: blood bath. I could see them ending up as the victor,

1254
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 10: but I do think they need one more offseason because

1255
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 10: they need to reinforce the line. So this is a

1256
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 10: long winded way to get to the Bears. I think

1257
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 10: the Bears have more of a fighting chance. I think

1258
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 10: that their defense might be a top ten defenses this year,

1259
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 10: and I think the offense is going to ascend as

1260
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 10: the season goes along. They play in a really tough division.

1261
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 10: But again, they might beat up on each other. So

1262
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 10: they are my one pick, but it's not like one.

1263
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 10: I'm like, yeah, take it to the bank, let's go.

1264
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 10: But those are the two teams I look at. But

1265
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 10: again I think them both as more of a potential

1266
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 10: wildcard team than like outright winning the division.

1267
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 2: Nay, thanks very much for the time. We appreciate it.

1268
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 2: We'll be up on the season in a blink of

1269
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 2: an eye, so thanks for giving us some time. We

1270
01:04:59,240 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 2: appreciate it.

1271
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me guys.

1272
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 2: All right, that's who sports NFL analyst Nate Tice, former

1273
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 2: college QB at Wisconsin.

1274
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 3: I played against his dad.

1275
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 2: Oh did you really? Oh yeah, that's right, Mike Tys.

1276
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Who was gigantic. It's like a six to

1277
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 2: eight tight end, right.

1278
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 3: Yes, he was a former head coach of the Vikes.

1279
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1280
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh so, cool conversation there. Glad they had some

1281
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 2: time for us, Steve. The first unofficial depth chart is

1282
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 2: out for the Bills, okay, in which typically happens in

1283
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 2: advance of the first preseason game. That's when we get

1284
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 2: a first look at the depth chart. So I'm going

1285
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 2: to bounce some things off you that I've pulled from

1286
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 2: the depth chart, okay, and I need to know your thoughts.

1287
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 2: First of all, they list three linebackers in the starting

1288
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 2: rotation and a nickelback. I think they're just doing this

1289
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 2: for listing purposes in the event they're a base defense,

1290
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 2: in the event they're a nickel defense. And Dorian Williams

1291
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 2: is the third linebacker with the starting unit it alongside

1292
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 2: to Rel Bernard and Matt Milano. I don't think that's

1293
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 2: a surprise. The backup nickel corner on the first depth chart.

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Speaker 2: Behind behind Taron Johnson is Jordan Hancock, the rookie fifth

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Speaker 2: round draft choice. How does that grab you?

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Speaker 3: I'm I'll listen to that. You and I have been

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Speaker 3: watching him, and I don't know that he's built as

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Speaker 3: a nickel corner. I certainly he's got the size, I

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Speaker 3: don't know that he's got the change of direction in

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Speaker 3: the athleticism coordination to be down inside, because you've got

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Speaker 3: to be well, you've either got to be a freak

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Speaker 3: athlete or you've got to be way ahead of it mentally.

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Speaker 3: Taron Johnson is a good athlete, a really good athlete,

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Speaker 3: but he's mentally way ahead of the game, I think,

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Speaker 3: and that's why what makes Tarren so effective in there.

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Speaker 3: He's not like a he's not like an outside corner, unbelievable,

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Speaker 3: world class, elite athlete. He's a great athlete, but he's

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Speaker 3: ahead of it mentally. Tarran gets there with his attitude,

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Speaker 3: his grit, and his savvy. Hancock has those intangibles like

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Speaker 3: that he's got it, he wants it, but I don't

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Speaker 3: know that his athleticism is as good as Terrence.

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering if there is like a sub package roll

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Speaker 2: there for him of some kind. Where if it's an

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Speaker 2: obvious rundown or short yardage, do you take the hits

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Speaker 2: off Tarran and put the bigger, bulky or Hancock in

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Speaker 2: there to play close to the line of scrimmage on

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Speaker 2: an obvious rundown guy capable of covering. Or what if

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Speaker 2: you're playing a team with a power slot like a

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Speaker 2: six to three guy, might not be a bad idea

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Speaker 2: to right Hancock on him, Bigger, taller, longer.

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Speaker 3: Depends on the slot, but yeah, or you could or

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Speaker 3: you could throw Dorian Williams out there.

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Speaker 2: Like I'm thinking of a Hancock on somebody like a

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Speaker 2: Coleman if they're in a power slot position, Hancock might

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Speaker 2: be a better option there. Okay, Rap and Bishop are

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Speaker 2: the two starting safety's no, really, no real surprise there.

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Speaker 2: Listed is the backup kicker Ray Davis.

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Speaker 3: Let's go Ray.

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Speaker 2: He kicked here on Friday night and hit a couple

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Speaker 2: of short field goals. He's listed on the depth chart

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Speaker 2: as the backup kicker to Tyler Bass, and depending on

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Speaker 2: how Tyler Bass feels this weekend, might be Ray Davis

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Speaker 2: kicking against the Giants on Saturday. Uh. Brandon Codrington listed

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Speaker 2: as both the starting punt returner and kick returner. Now

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Speaker 2: they usually put out there.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't surprise me. Although is in the mix there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's listed as the second kick returner and kJ

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Speaker 2: Hammler listed as the second punt.

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Speaker 3: Return You've got more than a handful of guys who

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Speaker 3: have done that.

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Speaker 2: Here are your top six wide receivers, okay, okay. With

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Speaker 2: the starting unit, it's listed as a three wide, Joshua Palmer,

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Speaker 2: Khalil Shakir, Keon Coleman. Your second three receivers listed behind

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Speaker 2: those three Curtis Samuel, Elijah Moore and Tyrell Shavers.

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Speaker 3: Shaves. All right, that's fine with me, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Behind them, it's Virgil Handler Chenault. That's the next three.

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Speaker 2: And then you've got you know, Wilkerson, Cain, gosnell, A

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Speaker 2: Karaye and Praether Akaraye.

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Speaker 3: I got ye still got Yeah, there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: guys in there, but that's not surprising, okay to me.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, your D line, as we know, the numbers

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Speaker 2: are heavy there. So your top four are Rousseau, Oliver,

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Speaker 2: Da Kuon and Bosa. Your next four EPINESSA Ogin Joby, T. J.

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Speaker 2: Sanders and Hoyt and then after that it's Solomon Carter

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Speaker 2: Walker Jackson. Okay, so interesting to see Sanders with the

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Speaker 2: second unit ahead of Dwayne Carter. Now Ogunjoby and Carter

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Speaker 2: both play the one technique Sanders. Well, it's interesting. They

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Speaker 2: have Ogunjoby behind Oliver where I would think that's where

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Speaker 2: Sanders would be and Ogunjoby would be behind Dayquon. But

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Speaker 2: so that's interesting. And then Corners, White and Benford with

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Speaker 2: the top unit Harriston and Dane Jackson behind them, followed

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Speaker 2: by Ingram and Dorian Strong. So that's an interesting one

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Speaker 2: as well, although I mean we're not surprised Harriston's behind him.

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Speaker 2: He's on the shelf for the next few weeks.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, first depth chart is out, so where can

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Speaker 3: he find that?

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Speaker 4: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Well? Right now, I think it's available on the media website.

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Speaker 2: I will have to see. I did not see it

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Speaker 2: available just yet on Buffalo Bill's dot com, but let

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Speaker 2: me see if it's been populated since not that's why

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Speaker 2: not there yet. I would anticipate it's there by tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: So no tremendous surprises. Although the handcock backup Nickel corner, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's a little surprising.

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Speaker 3: We've seen him take reps at a lot of spots,

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Speaker 3: both safeties and nickel. We knew that when they drafted him,

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Speaker 3: and Sean McDermott said they got a timetable for the

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Speaker 3: safety slash corner look and how much reps he's gonna

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Speaker 3: get it either one. I think we're still at the

1380
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Speaker 3: at the point of the season here, you know, before

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Speaker 3: the first preseason game, where he's probably getting reps at

1382
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 3: both getting sprinkled in and he's still probably drinking out

1383
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 3: of a little bit of a fire hose.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, what about Shavers in the top six?

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Speaker 3: From what we've like I said, when you watch practice,

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Speaker 3: you're seeing the tip of the icebergs. There's so much

1387
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,719
Speaker 3: more that goes into it. But from what we've seen,

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01:11:57,880 --> 01:11:58,799
Speaker 3: it's easy to see.

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Speaker 2: Yep. And with Samuel on the shelf for a bit here,

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Speaker 2: we've seen a lot of Christian Wilkerson and a lot

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Speaker 2: of Jalen Virgil.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, Christian Wilkerson is isn't built like Chanault. I

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01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 3: mean they're both thick. They're like built like Andre Reid

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Speaker 3: with muscular physicus. Yeah, so yeah, that's that physical side

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Speaker 3: of it, you know, like Keon you put Keon Chanault

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Speaker 3: Wilkerson out there. Yeah, it looks like three running backs

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Speaker 3: out there. You know they're big dudes.

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Speaker 2: Wilkerson and Chanalt are like Cordrell Patterson if they're not

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Speaker 2: failure with these guys physiques, that's who they look like.

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Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here, but still continuing the conversation

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Speaker 2: with you about the Hard Knocks debut episode one tonight

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01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 2: of the Buffalo Bills. What storylines do you want to

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01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 2: see emerge on the program this evening? You tell us

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Speaker 2: next three, five fifty. It's One Bill's Live, presented by

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Speaker 2: col Out of Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. All right

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Speaker 2: back here on One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker

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Speaker 2: with you, and the depth chart came out first depth

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Speaker 2: chart of the preseason. Had some interesting developments there, and

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Speaker 2: if you missed our conversation on it, you can talk

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Speaker 2: to us or listen back to us. I should say,

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01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 2: talk to us, listen back to us on the re

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Speaker 2: rack either on the Bill's YouTube channel or at the

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Speaker 2: bottom of the page on Buffalo bills dot Com. About

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Speaker 2: a half hour after our show concludes, it will populate there.

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Speaker 2: Want to get back to the phones, though, at eight

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Speaker 2: o threeh five fifty one eight eight eight five fifty

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01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 2: two five fifty where we are asking you what do

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Speaker 2: you want to see play out in episode one of

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01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 2: Hard Knocks tonight on Max. As we know, they're covering

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Speaker 2: the Bills in training camp. If you want to weigh

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Speaker 2: in on the James Cook situation. Knowing Kyron Williams, the

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01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 2: running back for the Rams, just signed a three year

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Speaker 2: extension for thirty three million dollars with the La Rams,

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Speaker 2: and he's in the same draft class as James Cook

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01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 2: and has had pretty comparable production the last two years,

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Speaker 2: you can do that as well. So here we go

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Speaker 2: to the phone lines and to Mark in West Seneca.

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Speaker 11: What's up, Mark, gentlemen, how are you today?

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Speaker 2: Good?

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01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 3: Good, good?

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01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 2: Hey, Steve.

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01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 11: I hope you don't mind. I'd like to push back

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01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 11: on your buy plan a little bit. I may have

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01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:29,759
Speaker 11: talked to you guys about this in the past because

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01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 11: like we all say, you know, like you just said,

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01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 11: I like my plan because it's my plan, So I'd

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01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 11: like to throw something at you that was sort of

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01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 11: my idea. The thing I don't like about your plan, Steve,

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01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 11: is we wait so long to navigate through the off season,

1440
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 11: and I would as a fan, I would hate the

1441
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 11: league shutting down after two weeks. And I've always thought

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01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 11: the bye week should always come later in the year

1443
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 11: to get the maximum result out of the rest with

1444
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 11: a So my thought when they go to eighteen games

1445
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 11: is breaking the season up into six week groups play

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Speaker 11: of games. So for instance, you would have a buy

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Speaker 11: for week five and six. Week five, you'd say the

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Speaker 11: AFC has a buy, and to avoid any scheduling problems,

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01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 11: the NFC plays divisional games. Then you switch it in

1450
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 11: week six the other conference has the buy, and you

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01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 11: do the same thing with divisional games for the AFC,

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01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 11: and then you would do the same thing in weeks

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01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 11: eleven and twelve. I would give everybody the buy at

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01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 11: the same time. Physically you would get the same result.

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01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 11: I would say, I don't know if it would have

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01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 11: anything to do with increasing the quality of play. Maybe

1457
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 11: after a period of time they could look at that,

1458
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 11: but I think that would be the fairest way to

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01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 11: do it. And the other thing is the league doesn't

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Speaker 11: shut down. Then there's football every week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you might have between two stinky teams that

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01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 3: you got to you know, I mean, you only have

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Speaker 3: nine games or what is it? You only have seven.

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Speaker 2: Game football, which typically has had bad matchups, draws better

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Speaker 2: than anything else in any other sport.

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Speaker 3: Anyah, but it's a bad game and it's the only

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01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:16,919
Speaker 3: reason you watch is because.

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Speaker 2: Better than no game.

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Speaker 4: Though.

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of with Mark on this one.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's my idea. You guys can tear the power

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Speaker 11: to talk about in discussion. My other thing that I

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Speaker 11: called about today was and I missed the depth chart

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Speaker 11: thing a little bit. I'm curious about DeMar Hamlin yesterday.

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Speaker 11: His postgame interview was just outstanding. You just it just

1476
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 11: comes through the microphone. What a great individual beyond football

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01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 11: that this young man is. I absolutely think he's got

1478
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Speaker 11: his head screwed on soul right, and I'm so impressed

1479
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 11: by that young man. But I'm curious as far as football,

1480
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 11: is he on the bubble? Is he in danger of

1481
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Speaker 11: not making the team? There hasn't been a lot of

1482
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:04,600
Speaker 11: talk about the backup safeties and what's going on. Yeah,

1483
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Speaker 11: and he's handling it, I mean so professionally. He was

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Speaker 11: a starter last year and basically he's been penciled in

1485
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Speaker 11: from the beginning of camp as a backup. And I've

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Speaker 11: never heard of any complaints or anything about tomorrow, so

1487
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 11: curious as to what's going on with him. Thanks for

1488
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 11: your time, guys, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sure thing, Mark. Right now, he's listed behind Cole Bishop

1490
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Speaker 2: as the second team free safety, which isn't a surprise

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Speaker 2: I think based on what we've seen on the practice

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Speaker 2: field when Coal Bishop was healthy. He's not healthy right now.

1493
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Speaker 2: He has a quad injury and has not been practicing

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Speaker 2: this week, So we'll see where that goes and whether

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Speaker 2: or not he's even fit enough to suit up for

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Speaker 2: the first preseason game on Saturday. I think if he's

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Speaker 2: not on the practice field tomorrow, his chances of being

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Speaker 2: anywhere in Saturday's preseason game go down precipitously. Bishop, that is,

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Speaker 2: and Hamlin has been on the field in his absence.

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Speaker 2: The other interesting part of that is I told you

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Speaker 2: how Jordan Hancock was listed as the backup nickel to

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Speaker 2: Tarren Johnson. Cam Lewis is listed as the backup safety

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Speaker 2: to Tailor rap which I think might surprise some people.

1504
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 2: I think some might have thought that would be Derek Forrest,

1505
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,639
Speaker 2: the free agent pickup. It is not. He's listed behind

1506
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 2: cam Lewis, so you know, we'll see what that means.

1507
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 2: And again we should reiterate this is an unofficial depth chart.

1508
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 2: The Bills as a team have to put one out

1509
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 2: once the preseason is underway, and they just put out

1510
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 2: their weekly release for the game on Saturday, and here

1511
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 2: is the depth chart. So make of it what you will.

1512
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. And Demarsa is a great guy, fantastic human being. Yeah,

1513
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 3: and he's not the only one on this club. You know,

1514
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 3: you might have heard of the quarterback he's thought, well,

1515
01:18:58,360 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 3: you know, he says a lot of the right things.

1516
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 3: All of these guys they that's part of the vetting process.

1517
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 3: The ton of these guys you were you'd be very

1518
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 3: proud to get to know they're They're great dudes, and

1519
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 3: Damar is one of them, no question about it. Unfortunately,

1520
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 3: you have to play on the field like a really

1521
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,599
Speaker 3: good football player, and just because you're a great guy

1522
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 3: doesn't mean you're gonna make the team. Damar is probably

1523
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 3: gonna make the team. I would think he may or

1524
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 3: may not. If you're a backup, you're always kind of

1525
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 3: authent you know, you always feel like you can be replaced,

1526
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 3: even as a starter. Sometimes you think that as well.

1527
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 3: And you're right, Damar, Given the odyssey that Bill's fans

1528
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,600
Speaker 3: and the team have been on with him since the

1529
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 3: incident in Cincinnati, when you know he had to be

1530
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:48,680
Speaker 3: resuscitated and brought back to life. We've all had a

1531
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 3: soft spot for Demarrow.

1532
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:52,679
Speaker 2: But he's been He was an amazing human even before that.

1533
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 3: That's right.

1534
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 2: That didn't turn him into a great human. He was

1535
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 2: a great human being before that.

1536
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 3: This this has that incident had gave us all reason

1537
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 3: and opportunity to get to know him on a deeper

1538
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 3: level because we don't want to know what made a

1539
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:12,600
Speaker 3: guy like that tick, and we found out, you know,

1540
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 3: some pretty solid reasons. The guy does what he does,

1541
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 3: and you know, you're right. His post practice interview the

1542
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:21,640
Speaker 3: other day was stellar, and he always is. So you're

1543
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 3: right to cheer for him because it's you know, it's

1544
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:24,679
Speaker 3: nice to cheer for good guys.

1545
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 1: Right.

1546
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 3: Your thing about the two bye weeks, six games then

1547
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 3: a buye, then six games then a buy is not

1548
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 3: much different than mine. You know, you're off by a month,

1549
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 3: but you're having half the teams have a buy instead

1550
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 3: of all the teams. Suck it up. It's just one

1551
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 3: week of the year. It's a it's a national holiday.

1552
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 3: It'll make Labor Day even bigger. It'll make the national

1553
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:54,639
Speaker 3: holiday even bigger if the entire NFL takes a week

1554
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 3: off at Labor Day.

1555
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 2: Is that the marketing slogan you want to go with,

1556
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 2: souck it up, Buttercup, it's the Bills, But it's the

1557
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 2: NFL bye week.

1558
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,640
Speaker 3: That's right, and it's it'll be great because that'll give

1559
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 3: people a chance to travel and go do something else,

1560
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 3: and then they'll come back. Let's go.

1561
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 2: I got news for you. I'm telling NFL fans don't

1562
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 2: want to do anything else but watch football.

1563
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:14,559
Speaker 3: All but you got.

1564
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 2: I can't see the league from a marketing perspective. They've

1565
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 2: been on the cutting edge of promoting this league and

1566
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 2: creating ten pole events in the off season to make

1567
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 2: you think about football in the off season. You think

1568
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 2: they're gonna go dark in the season with no games

1569
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 2: on a league wide bye. I just can't see it.

1570
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 3: Well, you act like it. You act like the sky's fall.

1571
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 3: It's nothing.

1572
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 2: It's a buyble saying the skies fall. I'm just saying no.

1573
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 2: I'm saying from a marketing perspective, I cannot see the

1574
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 2: people that push this league as well as they do saying,

1575
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 2: you know what, no football this week, guys. I know

1576
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 2: it's September and it's the fall. No football this week

1577
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 2: at all. Thirty two teams are taking a day of rest.

1578
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 2: Miss next week.

1579
01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 3: Massive overreaction. Come on, it's perfect. I don't think it's

1580
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 3: absolutely perfect because you know why. It creates conversation. It

1581
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 3: creates appetite.

1582
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:06,919
Speaker 2: No football.

1583
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 3: I've had not no foot You just had a six

1584
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 3: weeks of football.

1585
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna get a lot of grumpy armchair

1586
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 2: quarterbacks going.

1587
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:18,840
Speaker 3: Where's my football now? And the numbers will get a

1588
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 3: bump the next week because everybody misses it. There you go, problem,

1589
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 3: solve it.

1590
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's the other problem. You just led

1591
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 2: me to my second problem.

1592
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 3: Let's hear it.

1593
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 2: Networks are not going to pay billions of dollars to

1594
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 2: have no football some week in September.

1595
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:33,679
Speaker 3: I bet you they will.

1596
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 2: I'll bet you they don't.

1597
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 3: I bet you they will.

1598
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 2: Bet you how you're filling that ad inventory in the

1599
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:42,599
Speaker 2: week with no football, you know you're gonna get pulled

1600
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:43,879
Speaker 2: down the amount of money.

1601
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 3: You've been filling it for eight months not doing What

1602
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 3: do you mean? What are you talking about?

1603
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 2: The television networks who pay billions of dollars to air

1604
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 2: NFL football are going to accept you telling them once

1605
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 2: we go to eighteen games in the regular season, two

1606
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 2: preseason games, two NFL games, and you know what, we're

1607
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 2: all gonna say, vacation time, labor day. I don't think

1608
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 2: the networks are going for that now with the money

1609
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 2: they're paying. They want the ad revenue, and.

1610
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 3: I think that's an irrelevancy. Oh no, it is not

1611
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 3: an absolute irrelevancy. If you're giving them an extra game,

1612
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 3: you're giving them twelve percent extra product. So sit down, well,

1613
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:23,679
Speaker 3: not not.

1614
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 2: Really, what do you mean?

1615
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 3: Not really?

1616
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 2: It's eight still games, it's still twenty games total. They're

1617
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:30,719
Speaker 2: selling ads in the preseason too, not to the same

1618
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 2: level obviously, But you're gonna take a bye week out

1619
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 2: of the equation there, you're gonna help.

1620
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 3: No football taking a bye week out. I'm giving you

1621
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:38,839
Speaker 3: an extra.

1622
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 2: Game, giving an extra bye week, I'm giving extra game.

1623
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 2: That's not the way the networks are gonna see it.

1624
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 2: They're gonna look at you and say, you're giving me

1625
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 2: a week of no football after the season's already started.

1626
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 2: Are you out of your mind? They're gonna say do

1627
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:53,280
Speaker 2: not buye week the whole league, do not do it.

1628
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 2: I cannot see the networks going for that. They will

1629
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 2: balk at that.

1630
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 3: They I got news for you.

1631
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,480
Speaker 2: Come on, you've been in those sales meetings. It's CBS.

1632
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 2: You know how it works. No football for a week,

1633
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 2: and I'll after the season.

1634
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 3: Started, Brownie. The salespeople don't care. You know why. I'll

1635
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 3: tell you what. Tell you why they're selling the games.

1636
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 3: You give me a weekend. I don't have to sell

1637
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 3: the games. I'm selling the games, not weekends. I'm selling

1638
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 3: the games. I still got the eighteen games I'm gonna sell.

1639
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:28,639
Speaker 3: They're gonna be the This game is gonna be worth

1640
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 3: the same as those other games. If you gave me

1641
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 3: a game on May fifth, I'd sell it. With two

1642
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 3: months of bye weeks around it, I could still have

1643
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 3: to sell it. They don't get They don't care about

1644
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 3: the schedule. They care about the game.

1645
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:44,559
Speaker 2: I think they care about the schedule. If there's no

1646
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 2: football after the season already starts.

1647
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 3: No football is not their problem. That's not their problem.

1648
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 3: They're not saying they don't have to sell football. If

1649
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 3: there's no football to sell.

1650
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 2: I think they want to come on I think they

1651
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:01,760
Speaker 2: want appointment viewing to stay con assistant and after the

1652
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:05,720
Speaker 2: season has already started, to go a whole weekend with

1653
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 2: zero football. No Thursday night, no Saturday, no Sunday, no Monday,

1654
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 2: no football that week at all. Come on, I think

1655
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 2: you're asking a lot, networks.

1656
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 3: Come on, It'll give you the eighteen game schedule this

1657
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 3: without going deeper into the winter. More more game, meaningful

1658
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 3: games in weather. That is acceptable.

1659
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 2: I like your I like having two bye weeks. I

1660
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 2: just don't want to buy week the whole league. That's

1661
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 2: the problem.

1662
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 3: No, I think it's great. I think it's great. I

1663
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 3: think a lot of people get we're going to agree

1664
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 3: to disagree. You're you're panicking over nothing.

1665
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 2: I'm not panicking. I'm just telling you. The networks are

1666
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 2: going to push back.

1667
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 3: There's no downside. There's no downside.

1668
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 2: The downside is no football.

1669
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 3: And that's gonna that's right, that's right, that's no downside

1670
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 3: because when people down that is the outside. Man, it's

1671
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 3: like that. You're like the Dallas cow It's like the

1672
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys. It's like the Dallas Cowboys. They stink and

1673
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 3: everybody still talks about them. You're gonna go with a

1674
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 3: weekend on Labor Day weekend, and everybody's still gonna be

1675
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 3: talking magic can't wait for football to get back because

1676
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 3: they just had a great start of the season, or

1677
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 3: we stink and now we're gonna get it together. I mean,

1678
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:22,520
Speaker 3: it's there's no downside.

1679
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 2: Joe Football is standing by his grill on Labor Day weekend, going, boy,

1680
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 2: I wish we had NFL football this week, but that

1681
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 2: dang Tasker plan that's why we don't have it.

1682
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 3: Well, that's not true either.

1683
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 2: Gotta take a quick break. We'll try to get to

1684
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:37,560
Speaker 2: Matt on a sale when we come back here on

1685
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 2: One Bill's Life. Stay with us, all right? What a

1686
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 2: final segment You're on the Tuesday edition of One Bill's Live.

1687
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:57,679
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you. Gonna go right back

1688
01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 2: to the phones and squeeze in Matt on a site

1689
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 2: here who's been waiting patiently? What's up? Matt?

1690
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 4: Hey?

1691
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:04,599
Speaker 7: Good afterdon gentlemen.

1692
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 12: I know we're up against it, so I'm just gonna

1693
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 12: be real quick hopefully get your feedback. My disclaimer is

1694
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 12: that I love James Cook for the Bills almost as

1695
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 12: much as I love listening to your show every day.

1696
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 12: And I did want to just challenge something that Steve

1697
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:22,799
Speaker 12: said earlier about James Cook protecting the egg. My contention

1698
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 12: is that when James Cook signed a rookie contract, he

1699
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,719
Speaker 12: gave that egg to the Buffalo Bills for the duration

1700
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 12: of that contract, and it's not his to protect, it's

1701
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 12: theirs to protect, and anything he's received from the Bill

1702
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 12: so far is all a part of the assumption that

1703
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 12: he would serve out his entire contract. I understand he's

1704
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 12: protected under the CBA to not be fined by sitting in,

1705
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 12: by holding in, but I just if you hire someone

1706
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:53,679
Speaker 12: to build a deck for your house and then they say,

1707
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 12: you know what, I gotta protect my egg. I'm going

1708
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 12: to need more money to finish this deck for you,

1709
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 12: it just doesn't feel right.

1710
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 4: And I hope that he does.

1711
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 12: Realize he doesn't have as much leverage going into the season,

1712
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:07,560
Speaker 12: and that he does play.

1713
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 2: I'm done.

1714
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 3: That's what I wanted to get out there now. Yeah,

1715
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 3: I'll say this too. I would agree with you that

1716
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:16,719
Speaker 3: he his best leverage is coming out playing and playing

1717
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 3: well and having a great season, even a season exactly

1718
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 3: like he had last year. That's his best leverage. The

1719
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 3: problem is what happens if he comes out snaps his

1720
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 3: tib fibb in week one or in practice number one

1721
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 3: after he comes back. Now he has let me finger quotes.

1722
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 3: He's ruined his life, He's ruined his future because he

1723
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 3: wanted to come back and didn't hold strong in these negotiations.

1724
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 3: You're not talking about you're talking about his football career.

1725
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:47,679
Speaker 3: James Cook is talking about his life and his well

1726
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 3: being for the rest of his his financial well being

1727
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 3: for the rest of his life for a long time thereafter.

1728
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 2: So his earning power covers seven to ten years of

1729
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:59,599
Speaker 2: his life, right, so most of our regular Joe's thirty

1730
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:02,680
Speaker 2: to four years of earning, so potential.

1731
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 3: That's what he's after. So I get your you're right

1732
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 3: contracts and contracts of contract except the club can book

1733
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 3: the club can throw him to the curb if they

1734
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:16,160
Speaker 3: want to. It works both ways, so.

1735
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 2: It'll be an interesting discussion. We'll see if the Kira

1736
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 2: and Williams contract with the la Rams creates movement on

1737
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 2: the Bills Cook front. Hopefully it does because it seems

1738
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 2: like a reasonable deal and we'll see, you know who

1739
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 2: would ultimately benefits at the end.

1740
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 3: Lot's going on, man, it's a lot of fun this time.

1741
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 2: We're back out of training camp tomorrow for Day eleven.

1742
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 2: We will see you at one pm.