Speaker 1: Now really Hello, Hello, welcome, Welcome to our show, ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen. My name is Jason Alexander, internationally beloved comedy
Speaker 1: superstar and television icon from the nineties. And this is, uh,
Speaker 1: this is my new show. It's not mine alone. I
Speaker 1: would be foolish to even suggest to you. I am
Speaker 1: here with with my best friend, Mr Peter Tilden. Peter
Speaker 1: say hello, Hello, thank you. And when I say when
Speaker 1: I say best friend, that's probably an exaggeration of some kind.
Speaker 1: It's Peter's a good friend. You're a good friend, Pete.
Speaker 1: You're a very good friend. By the way. I love
Speaker 1: how you three seconds into the podcast, or for any
Speaker 1: diminished me already, or you're covering your bet because other
Speaker 1: friends are not calling. I have other friends and I
Speaker 1: don't want them to feel slighted. So you're you're you're
Speaker 1: one of my top five good friends. I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: just at such. Let me tell you how Peter and
Speaker 1: I met. Peter was was a a talk radio guy
Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles, and uh, I was a guest
Speaker 1: on the show. I was probably I think it was
Speaker 1: probably the second year of Seinfeld and we had such
Speaker 1: a good time on the air that by the time
Speaker 1: we ended the program, Peter said, Hey, do you wanna
Speaker 1: you wanna go grab breakfast? And I went, you know
Speaker 1: what I kind of do, and you what happened. I
Speaker 1: became one of his top five friends. That's right. During
Speaker 1: that breakfast you went from from really zero, you moved
Speaker 1: right up. It was amazing. By the way, gives you
Speaker 1: some indication how quickly case Lit jettison a friend from
Speaker 1: the top finals, or or some indication that I only
Speaker 1: had three on the list. All right, so let's get serious.
Speaker 1: So the premise of our show, Ladies and Gentlemen, uh,
Speaker 1: we talked about on this show the things that annoying us,
Speaker 1: that make us crazy or that or that baffle us,
Speaker 1: things that we hear it. And what do we say, Peter,
Speaker 1: We say, really, really, that can't be because I think
Speaker 1: it's right. Things we don't understand, things that annoy Uce
Speaker 1: and I remembered so clearly the other day because I
Speaker 1: was in I was at the airport getting ready, and
Speaker 1: I'm in the I'm in the restroom. I'm in the
Speaker 1: public restroom, and I remember as I go in, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at this thing and I'm giggling because I remember
Speaker 1: Jerry Seinfeld, my old my old buddy, my old boss,
Speaker 1: does a routine about why is it in these restrooms
Speaker 1: that the door on the stall doesn't go all the
Speaker 1: way down to the floor? What is that all about?
Speaker 1: And he talks to he I don't remember his bit exactly,
Speaker 1: but it's it's why why do we need the little
Speaker 1: viewing window at the bottom to see your sad, pathetic
Speaker 1: pants and your forlorn shoes? And you know, he just
Speaker 1: does this whole thing, and I'm in there and I'm going,
Speaker 1: you know, he's absolutely right. He's absolutely right, because I'm
Speaker 1: sitting in there and I can see people. I can
Speaker 1: see through the cracks of the doors. I see under
Speaker 1: the window. I see people stop there staring in. People
Speaker 1: are knocking. Why are they? Why are they knocking if
Speaker 1: there's a window at the bottom, why are they? Like
Speaker 1: that's what it's for? Why is it? Why? Where is
Speaker 1: my privacy? Why can't I have in a public restaurant?
Speaker 1: Why can't I have a little bit of privacy? Why
Speaker 1: can't this be my area? Peter? Why have I know? Privacy?
Speaker 1: Privacy may just be an illusion because in the bathroom
Speaker 1: they pipe in the little music, they put a door.
Speaker 1: That's two thirds of the door is up, one third's missing.
Speaker 1: You got cracks in the side. I mean when you're
Speaker 1: sitting on the toilet and you can count people to
Speaker 1: see people walking by, that's not a whole lot of privacy.
Speaker 1: And then you start realizing in our houses all of
Speaker 1: the interconnected crap that we buy, the smart devices, we
Speaker 1: point cameras at ourselves, we put listening devices in room ourselves.
Speaker 1: We're looking at our neighbor's camera, which is surveilling, and
Speaker 1: we seem to be okay with that. As we buy
Speaker 1: more products, we're going to find all about the the
Speaker 1: illusion of privacy in our home and on the internet.
Speaker 1: But first we have to start with the bathroom to
Speaker 1: sign fell leading of why oh why does the bathroom
Speaker 1: door not go to the floor. So joining us now
Speaker 1: is they were acted an award winning bathroom designer and
Speaker 1: the president say what now, the President? There is an award?
Speaker 1: Is an award? I can't get an Emmy, and this
Speaker 1: guy's picking up awards for tiling. Good. So, Jason, I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I can tell. I can tell you're excited. You're all
Speaker 1: a tingle. I can feel. It is such an ass
Speaker 1: um Chad Coufman's with listening, owner of the restroom company.
Speaker 1: What an intro? Chad signs, coming on, I'm happy to
Speaker 1: be here. Wait wait, wait, before before he asks this question,
Speaker 1: I just gotta ask. I gotta ask in fifty words
Speaker 1: or less. You're a young man. Your whole life is
Speaker 1: of you. How the hell did you go down this
Speaker 1: road that you're you're you're building toilets? What? What? What?
Speaker 1: What happened? Fifty words or less? Give it the abridged version.
Speaker 1: All right, my father this was my father's idea. So
Speaker 1: I was born in Reenwich, Connecticut, and my dad was
Speaker 1: a custom homebuilder, and then he got this crazy idea
Speaker 1: that he wanted to build restrooms for public parks. Keep going, okay,
Speaker 1: how many We're almost there? Short. My life is going
Speaker 1: down the toilet and here I am. So that's that, son,
Speaker 1: We've built an empire. Here I need you. Did you
Speaker 1: build it? I inherited it from my dad, sister and
Speaker 1: my sister and I run it. How great would that
Speaker 1: be if your parents had something you can inherit it
Speaker 1: was my parents had left me anything, it would have
Speaker 1: been great. Anything. Uh you know what I heard it?
Speaker 1: Chad and Security and anxiety and heart disease. That's where
Speaker 1: my parents left me and probably prostrates stuck too. So
Speaker 1: thanks thanks to Chad. Here's some statistics that concern you.
Speaker 1: Of office workers excited having to use the bathroom as
Speaker 1: a prime reason they're stressed about returning to the office
Speaker 1: because of the pandemic. Don't say they're uncomfortable going number
Speaker 1: two and a stranger in non environment, and three and
Speaker 1: ten are little pishy and sixties six of American workers
Speaker 1: admit to holding it in to avoid using their workplace restroom.
Speaker 1: You're not doing a good enough job, obviously. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you I hold it in at a friend's house. Peter,
Speaker 1: you would, Peter, you've been coming to my house for
Speaker 1: thirty years. I don't think you've ever gone number two
Speaker 1: in my house. Have You don't break my confidence? What
Speaker 1: I do is I eat cheese and rice before it comes.
Speaker 1: Someone bound up and just make sure I try and
Speaker 1: time it all right? Do we want to get the answer?
Speaker 1: Do we want? Here's the really? Not really? Here's the reason,
Speaker 1: thank god, why we called Chad. This is the big answer,
Speaker 1: the reason the bathroom stole door does not go all
Speaker 1: the way down to the floor is hit it, Chad.
Speaker 1: So they could clean it well, they can clean clean
Speaker 1: water floor because no one likes well. Certain certain areas
Speaker 1: they take a hose and they hose it down, and
Speaker 1: then certain areas they mop right, and then you can't
Speaker 1: mop underneath because there's something that goes to the floor. Right.
Speaker 1: So this is not for our protection our privacy. This
Speaker 1: is so the janet. This is so the guy can
Speaker 1: come in with a bucket of water, soapy water and
Speaker 1: just flash it across the floor, goes down the drain
Speaker 1: and it saves you time. And boy, what a cleaning
Speaker 1: technique that is. And they made better airflow, right, there's
Speaker 1: better airflow. We don't want. We don't want air flow.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, Mr award winner, Hey, Mr
Speaker 1: award winner. If I'm install one, I don't need airflow
Speaker 1: from stall three. But Jason, the key to pollution is delution,
Speaker 1: my friend, remember my god, Hey, Mr award winner. They
Speaker 1: have a thing called event. The technical term is fart
Speaker 1: fan part fans. Sure there we go alright, speaking that, Peter,
Speaker 1: let me say we got the answer. Let's so it's
Speaker 1: they don't go to the floor. So sometime with them up,
Speaker 1: you do what can save three minutes cleaning the bathroom,
Speaker 1: and to that we say the name of the show.
Speaker 1: Really no, really, yeah, listen, nobody wants that job. That
Speaker 1: man should have. That man should have a pension, That
Speaker 1: man should have healthcare. That man or woman that doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be that person should have benefits like like
Speaker 1: presidents don't have. I think without that person we would
Speaker 1: all be very very unhappy. But really, is it that
Speaker 1: big a deal to open the door and slash a
Speaker 1: little more with the thing study that was done this
Speaker 1: this one is really worrisome because with COVID you didn't
Speaker 1: want to touch stuff, and a lot of bathrooms have handblowers.
Speaker 1: What I didn't allignes is every time a little list
Speaker 1: toilet is flushed, it aerosolizes a fine mist of microbes.
Speaker 1: This vehicle cloud can disperse over Stoud Harvard, and when
Speaker 1: someone flushes, it spreads through the air, and when it
Speaker 1: comes in contact with a hand dryer, the colony multiplies.
Speaker 1: So basically, you're taking your average small fecal colony and
Speaker 1: you're saying, let's explode this sucker. Why are we using
Speaker 1: heated dryers if we know this hand dryers, if we
Speaker 1: know that, we're spreading that that way? Is this a
Speaker 1: question for me? I comment, Wow, this is a this
Speaker 1: is going to be deep. It was. It's literally because
Speaker 1: of vandalism. If you're in a in a restaurant, you
Speaker 1: can have paper towels, right because the kids that are
Speaker 1: thinking of any possible way to vandalize this public restroom,
Speaker 1: why would you want to? I don't know, got it.
Speaker 1: They'll light They'll take their lighter and they'll just set
Speaker 1: it on fire. So what's the alternative? A hand dryer?
Speaker 1: Really some of the new technology like Dyson. I use
Speaker 1: a Dyson hand dryer. It actually where it sucks in
Speaker 1: the bathroom air has heap of filters. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to know that from me out, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to help the public health. One last question, one
Speaker 1: last question for you, because I know that you probably
Speaker 1: are joking aside, do a lot of metrics and analysis
Speaker 1: to build your things. What is it about people trashing
Speaker 1: Westerns like you said, lighting on fire? I worked at
Speaker 1: a radio station this with people I know, and on
Speaker 1: on Monday morning when you come in, it looks like
Speaker 1: they gave a series of gibbons acid micro dose and
Speaker 1: let them loosen the bathrooms. There's stuff everywhere, toilets or stuff.
Speaker 1: Things are carved, People have card messages into the toilet lid.
Speaker 1: I mean, what's going on in there that people have
Speaker 1: to relieve their anxiety by by ruining a restroom. They
Speaker 1: know they've got to come back in there. By the way,
Speaker 1: you're gonna use it again. I don't know. It's maybe
Speaker 1: like the analogy of a rental car, right, it's it's
Speaker 1: not my car, it's not my bathroom. I don't, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't, but I don't care about what it looks
Speaker 1: like after I leave that facility. Yeah. By the way,
Speaker 1: can I just say I've been silent for a while
Speaker 1: because I threw up in my mouth a little on
Speaker 1: fecal cloud. That was Hey, Chad, seriously, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for being here. You are such a good sport.
Speaker 1: You allot us play with you. You took it in
Speaker 1: the shorts for your whole industry, and congratulations on your reward.
Speaker 1: And by the way, people should know you are quite
Speaker 1: the philanthropist. You offered the city of San Francisco a
Speaker 1: free public toilet, which is uh, they we're gonna put
Speaker 1: up a public restroom for one point seven million dollars.
Speaker 1: So you got it for free. You saved them one
Speaker 1: point seven million dollars. The taxpayers of San Francisco should
Speaker 1: all be saying, my god, let's say thank you, Chad Kaufman, Jason,
Speaker 1: thank you for making me laugh for so many years. Really, no, man,
Speaker 1: it was like one of my favorite shows. Really it was.
Speaker 1: It was it was our pleasure second second about me anything, anything.
Speaker 1: It was a pleasure to second. Take care the other reasons.
Speaker 1: The bathroom stall doesn't go to the floor. It's more
Speaker 1: affordable to scourge his bad behavior. It can't be used
Speaker 1: as an escape root, it keeps lines moving, and as
Speaker 1: seen in the Stall episode twelve, season five, as Seinfeld,
Speaker 1: toilet paper can be shared. All right, I should explain
Speaker 1: that was our producer, David Guggenheim from no one known
Speaker 1: as Googleheim, who apparently wants airtime. Who's going to jump
Speaker 1: in if he feels the need to explain, correct or
Speaker 1: clarify things as the show goes on. So thank you, David. Hi, Bob,
Speaker 1: mother must be so proud. So we look at we
Speaker 1: are learning. We are learning. This is not just an
Speaker 1: entertainment show. In fact, I don't think this is an entertainment.
Speaker 1: But I'm maintaining you disagree in publicly Bubba glass room
Speaker 1: or public, but when I go home, I got privacy.
Speaker 1: Don't punch, don't punch it, don't punch a hole in it.
Speaker 1: Why do I bother with you? The whole thing that
Speaker 1: you missed was at the bathrooms. We sacrifice and make
Speaker 1: ourselves believe there's privacy in the bathroom. And and yes,
Speaker 1: there is an illusion of privacy in your home also, Jason,
Speaker 1: an illusion, Jason. What people don't realize I think, I
Speaker 1: think is that Amazon and these companies that are listening
Speaker 1: in and selling us these products. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I should say motion detectors, cameras, smart light, so the
Speaker 1: garage door openers which know when you come in and
Speaker 1: when you leave, blenders, wrist bands, um fitbits, toothbrushes, pet feeders,
Speaker 1: all the stuff that's in lenders, anything that's interconnected, it's
Speaker 1: smart and it's a smart item talks to interconnected blender.
Speaker 1: What a blender? By the way, everything is almost interconnected.
Speaker 1: But you know what they're calling Amazon not a retail company,
Speaker 1: but the reason that they want to buy I Robot,
Speaker 1: the robot vacuum company, for instance, is that they happen
Speaker 1: to be a surveillance company and the reason they're buying
Speaker 1: an I robot. So now they know the dimensions on
Speaker 1: the inside of your house. So they're getting as much
Speaker 1: as they can from your health information, all of your information,
Speaker 1: and it just feeds it all out there in like
Speaker 1: a fire hose of information that you were willingly giving out.
Speaker 1: Your part of that. You're saying, Okay, for the convenience,
Speaker 1: I'm willing to do it. But I don't know that
Speaker 1: we we realize just how much information we're giving up.
Speaker 1: I want to say for the record, this is why
Speaker 1: I have my own vacuum. I I have a vacuum.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you something else. I know where you're
Speaker 1: gonna go. You're gonna go. You'd a vacuum. You've got
Speaker 1: a person of vacuums. I'm vacuum. I am a sweeper
Speaker 1: and a vacuum. So Amazon, you do not know the
Speaker 1: dimensions in my house. You don't know where the safe
Speaker 1: room is. You don't know where the safe is man,
Speaker 1: and I may surprise you, do you know why I
Speaker 1: will never get an eye robot. And my wife's birthday
Speaker 1: is coming up, and she said I would really like
Speaker 1: she wanted a bid day, which I don't I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're smart to days, but she
Speaker 1: wants something a couple of things, but she wants an
Speaker 1: I robot type thing, and you know I won't get one.
Speaker 1: Tell me because we have a dog. These people went
Speaker 1: to bed one night and the thing was cleaning and
Speaker 1: the dog had had diarrhea, and the eye robot does
Speaker 1: not know that, so it's not trying. They woke up
Speaker 1: their entire every inch of their house was it went
Speaker 1: through there and spread it everywhere. So that's not that's
Speaker 1: my reason. I don't care anyone who says that this
Speaker 1: podcast is not chock full of information. That's fantastic. So
Speaker 1: if you have a dog, you don't want to a
Speaker 1: vacuum robot in k there's a mishap that's that was
Speaker 1: more valuable than why the door doesn't go down to
Speaker 1: the floor. We are every segment of this show. The
Speaker 1: information level is more impactful and more important, more relevant.
Speaker 1: WHOA WHOA, guys, hang on oh J that music needs
Speaker 1: We're not just hearing from producer Google Heim. We now
Speaker 1: have producer Laurie Crimmy wang In or as we call
Speaker 1: her queen critiqua, yes, your highness, what do we do wrong?
Speaker 1: Hang on stop? Amazon is not the only one that
Speaker 1: does this. And I have a few packages arriving today,
Speaker 1: and if they do not get here, there is going
Speaker 1: to be a problem. Alright, Amazon, Google, Facebook, TikTok, they're
Speaker 1: all surveillance gathering. I didn't mean to pick out just
Speaker 1: just Amazon, and I don't want to piss off Bezos.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm beginning to think it's possible that Jeff
Speaker 1: Bezos nos, I've fortrayed him twice in a somewhat unflattering
Speaker 1: white I mean, I got asked by Jon Stewart and
Speaker 1: uh and Jimmy Kimmels separately to do bits where I so. Uh.
Speaker 1: The Kimmel bit was we did Bezos the Musical, which
Speaker 1: was actually I think destined for a Broadway future, but
Speaker 1: again perhaps not not exactly the way Jeff would like
Speaker 1: to see himself portrayed in the public. So, Jason, as
Speaker 1: we're doing this episode which it starts out with bathroom
Speaker 1: privacy and goes to home privacy. And now I know
Speaker 1: that I'm sitting right here, I can follow the show.
Speaker 1: I follow the program. Peter's not a children's book. I
Speaker 1: don't need to have you know, reintroduced every moment. If
Speaker 1: I have followed the plot, go ahead, all right, mr,
Speaker 1: follow the plot, Jason. If you're you're ahead of me,
Speaker 1: I guess you realize you're nothing more than content in
Speaker 1: a skin suit. Really, it's averaging on my resume and
Speaker 1: special skills. All those quizzes about find out your elf
Speaker 1: name or find out your porn name, when you put
Speaker 1: in first street and your first pet, they're basically just
Speaker 1: fishing for all of your log in information. So to
Speaker 1: quote George Costanza, is that wrong? Should I not have
Speaker 1: done that? So? So yeah, okay, I'm I'm hearing. I'm
Speaker 1: picking up what you're putting down. So in a bigger
Speaker 1: issue as far as privacy, I wanted to get on
Speaker 1: an ethical hacker. We got an ethical hacker. An ethical hacker.
Speaker 1: There's white hat, there's black hat, there's formerly black hat,
Speaker 1: there's gray hat, there's green hat, there's red hat. The
Speaker 1: hell are youtub exactly? So white hat hacker has the
Speaker 1: hacking skills, came over, possibly from the dark side, but
Speaker 1: is now employed in Russell, employed by movie studios and countries.
Speaker 1: Ralph helped to help the certain rough has been to
Speaker 1: discern Ralph hacker. You got a last name or is
Speaker 1: it just Amia? I'm sorry, Ralph Comendia Ecamendia. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: let's move. Let's go to how I got that information out?
Speaker 1: You say, I've been trying to give it for five
Speaker 1: freaking minutes. Ralph Ecamendia is an ethical hacker, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to find out for us. As far as privacy
Speaker 1: has that ship sailed. Privacy is kind of an illusion
Speaker 1: when it comes to to the cyber world in the
Speaker 1: sense that we have never really defined what that means
Speaker 1: in a technical or digital form. We have kind of
Speaker 1: defined it to some degree in the physical world. I
Speaker 1: joke around and say, well, why do we have doors
Speaker 1: in the bathroom. We're not doing anything wrong, but we
Speaker 1: all have to go poop, don't we. So it really is, uh,
Speaker 1: it's the same. You know, we have not defined that
Speaker 1: in the digital realm. We have not said, okay, well
Speaker 1: this is what we feel should be private across the words.
Speaker 1: Should your name be private? Should your so security number
Speaker 1: be private? Should your password be private? Well, the truth
Speaker 1: is that's kind of a personal choice, right we share passwords.
Speaker 1: Netflix has a big problem with that these days, right,
Speaker 1: we share email addresses, we share all kinds of information
Speaker 1: that we share. So the truth is we've never really
Speaker 1: defined it. So it's never really existed in the same
Speaker 1: sense that we would define it in the physical realm.
Speaker 1: Well we have, I mean, is anybody we've kind of
Speaker 1: defined it? Let me, let's prove something here, Jason. Passwords.
Speaker 1: Now they have all of this stuff where it's the
Speaker 1: not only password, you're gonna second form of I bet
Speaker 1: you have bad password, but you have fantastic passwords. I
Speaker 1: am fantastic. How do you remember them? How do you remember? All? Right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you something, but I'm not
Speaker 1: going to give away. Let's do it after. Let's let's
Speaker 1: hear what Ralph, what do you have to say about passwords?
Speaker 1: We are, by the way, heading into a no password
Speaker 1: world in the future. There are enough things in the
Speaker 1: technology we use that The truth is, you can identify
Speaker 1: a person without a password, facial recognition, you know, your
Speaker 1: thumb print. Uh, there's actually all kinds of hardware specifics
Speaker 1: in your laptop end or phone that actually could you know,
Speaker 1: tell the you know the site or whatever you will,
Speaker 1: um that it's you so we are headed towards a catastrophe.
Speaker 1: That's a catastrophe if you're not seen. Mission impossible. A
Speaker 1: guy puts on my rubber face, he gets my thumb
Speaker 1: print off a piece of Scotch tape. I don't want
Speaker 1: any of that. I've got passwords. And let me tell
Speaker 1: you something. Nobody's getting past my passwords. All right, you
Speaker 1: want to know, you want to know. I'll give you
Speaker 1: a hint to my system. Anything I'm using a password
Speaker 1: on reminds me of either a song or a Shakespearean quote,
Speaker 1: or something I've said in my life, and I used
Speaker 1: the quote and I somehow maybe reduce it in some
Speaker 1: way to be so, you'd have to know the way
Speaker 1: my brain thinks, and about that thing, what connections I
Speaker 1: make to that side. And no one's getting past my passwords.
Speaker 1: My wife occasionally gets past my passage. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I'm laughing because she said, nobody's getting because no, you'd
Speaker 1: have to know how I think. Now, who would possibly
Speaker 1: know who I think? Other than I don't know? Maybe
Speaker 1: someone who knows and monitors every click of your keyboard,
Speaker 1: that sees everything you order, that ever sees every show
Speaker 1: you watch, It knows every time you dim the lights,
Speaker 1: that knows every time you leave your house that has
Speaker 1: a navigation on you. Who would know that? You know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put out my own eyes at the end
Speaker 1: of this episode this is you are the voice of
Speaker 1: Doom and Gloom. I would like to believe that I
Speaker 1: could take a shower or a shave without having telecasts
Speaker 1: of the world. You know that I like pizza with
Speaker 1: with anchovies. You you're being viewed by people in the shower.
Speaker 1: Don't think it's gonna be a problem, not gonna be
Speaker 1: a huge search. I don't think that's good. No one
Speaker 1: wants to see. You're absolutely right, because I've seen it
Speaker 1: and and I'll never get that image out of my
Speaker 1: own eyes. So you're right, let's let's let's live. Not
Speaker 1: even not even in the amagin of raph. We give
Speaker 1: out so much personal information online, sharing passwords and stuff
Speaker 1: because we haven't been hacked yet. Are we delusional as
Speaker 1: far as our safety online and privacy? Are we basically
Speaker 1: lying to ourselves because we don't want to confront how
Speaker 1: much stuff is out there? Absolutely, people do lie about
Speaker 1: whether or not they've given out information like their password
Speaker 1: or other information. In fact, even just your email address.
Speaker 1: You've got to keep in mind that every time we
Speaker 1: meet with somebody, I mean, whether you style a business
Speaker 1: card or you're you're doing that little QR code scan,
Speaker 1: you have to give out your email. Well, your email
Speaker 1: tests to be your user name in many platforms, especially
Speaker 1: in corporate environments, so you're giving out your user name
Speaker 1: right without even noticing it, without even realizing it. But
Speaker 1: even just passwords and sharing passwords. And of course if
Speaker 1: you're ass to say no, I've never done that, but
Speaker 1: the truth is that you have. And there's so many
Speaker 1: other elements of privacy. Like I said, you know the
Speaker 1: sort of pin or personal identifying pieces of data that
Speaker 1: we give out all the time, from birth dates and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, and if you're on a website,
Speaker 1: you believe that it's real. I can't tell you how
Speaker 1: many times, you know. What one story I can tell
Speaker 1: you about is where a very well known Hollywood director
Speaker 1: was easily fished and then every person that he communicated
Speaker 1: would then send an email from that director saying, hey,
Speaker 1: check out this this little piece of a movie. I
Speaker 1: want you to tell me what you think. Immediately when
Speaker 1: you clicked on the link, you were prompted with a
Speaker 1: email Passford type of prompt. Of course this was not real.
Speaker 1: And you know how many people felt for that hundreds
Speaker 1: So you believe what you see on a computer. And
Speaker 1: that's just so easy to to fool people into believing
Speaker 1: that this is real. So we tend to give up
Speaker 1: so much information willingly and knowingly, way too often. All right,
Speaker 1: So how vulnerable are we? Exactly? How far along are
Speaker 1: we with getting all our information stolen? You know, you
Speaker 1: see these movies where guys living a smart home, you know, Billy,
Speaker 1: you've never a smart home, and a criminal can hack
Speaker 1: in and can get all this information just for hacking
Speaker 1: in at the weakest point and then takes over the
Speaker 1: guy's life. Is that even plausible today? Are are we
Speaker 1: at that point? It's very very very probable and very
Speaker 1: possible to do today. And again there's no stopping this
Speaker 1: this train when it comes to smart homes and smart everything, right,
Speaker 1: smart cars and all the other smart things that are coming.
Speaker 1: In fact, that's one of the big concerns with things
Speaker 1: like smart cars. And imagine, you know, you can take
Speaker 1: over somebody's car and just kill him mother. You know,
Speaker 1: they can't even get out of the car really really,
Speaker 1: we're at that point, Ralph. All I gotta say is
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're an ethical hacker and I hope there
Speaker 1: are lots like you working to solve these problems. And uh,
Speaker 1: before you go, and thanks for coming on. Do you
Speaker 1: have a question for Jason? Hey, Jason, So I gotta
Speaker 1: ask you how many passwords what George Constanza have and
Speaker 1: does he change him every thirty days? How many passwords
Speaker 1: would George have? Well, we know about Bosco that one
Speaker 1: was forced out of the right. We know at one
Speaker 1: point tippy toe tippy doe is a big I think
Speaker 1: a safe word. I think that was a safe word tip.
Speaker 1: You gotta get keep you the thing you know, you
Speaker 1: know how. And this is true even with my fantastic system.
Speaker 1: Every now and then I'll go to a side I
Speaker 1: haven't used in a couple of years, and you have
Speaker 1: to put in your password, and for the life I
Speaker 1: cannot remember what the hell And then it goes forgot
Speaker 1: your password and there's an implied you idiot on that
Speaker 1: forgot your password, and then you have to, you know,
Speaker 1: re authenticate yourself all over again. That would be George's problem, George,
Speaker 1: George would come up with the most fantastic, you know,
Speaker 1: crazy ideas for passwords, and he would remember them once
Speaker 1: and that would be that would be the hious. By
Speaker 1: the way, Ralph, Ralph the hacker bad. Listen, listen, listen
Speaker 1: before had is Ralph? What what color hat does Ralph were?
Speaker 1: I think it's if you're lucky, Jason White, because he's
Speaker 1: already into your stuff. Look go up, look up, thrown
Speaker 1: under the bus. Oh my god, Ralph. I take it
Speaker 1: all back. Jason. You're good with me summarizing just briefly,
Speaker 1: I'll keep it. I wish you was so Jay. It
Speaker 1: appears the illusion of privacy in our homes is just
Speaker 1: that because we keep putting more smart devices in our homes.
Speaker 1: We've got a hundred thirty million households already had at
Speaker 1: least one smart speaker, and people are buying more and
Speaker 1: more online. It's pretty much that ship looks like it's sailing.
Speaker 1: You can see it at the horizon and bathrooms. We
Speaker 1: have no control over that, but it appears. And that's
Speaker 1: how we start our episode with the really relief. They're
Speaker 1: never going to make the bathroom stall door go to
Speaker 1: the floor, and the reason it doesn't there's no incentive
Speaker 1: to do it. It's not a profit center for a store.
Speaker 1: They lose money on that square footage um in every
Speaker 1: place I work, like a department store, how much money
Speaker 1: can I make per square foot? Lingerie and make up
Speaker 1: makes a fortune. Bathroom losing proposition, losing proposition, losing proposition
Speaker 1: right because you don't go to like a nice department
Speaker 1: store and say they've got a restroom there that is
Speaker 1: just a delight. You wouldn't do that, right if it's
Speaker 1: no public places usually not except high end you know,
Speaker 1: high end places, will you pay like the Four Seasons
Speaker 1: and it's called the White House? You know what if
Speaker 1: anybody's been to the White House and seeing somebody using
Speaker 1: the bathroom stall, does the door go all the way
Speaker 1: to the floor. I assume it does because privacy there
Speaker 1: we had to state, well, or maybe Jay, it's even
Speaker 1: higher because they don't trust anybody in there. Oh that's
Speaker 1: you know what. That's interesting. Can you imagine? Can you
Speaker 1: imagine if the only place in the White House where
Speaker 1: you can have a secure conversation for real is in
Speaker 1: the restroom with the stall that goes down to the floor.
Speaker 1: That's your cone of silence right there. Then you then
Speaker 1: you invite people in. That's Mr Prime Minister, Mr Vice President,
Speaker 1: could you join me? Install three plays and hopefully it's sealed,
Speaker 1: because the guy install four is going I just heard
Speaker 1: something about Israel and Denmark that I'll tell you about
Speaker 1: as soon as I flush. And by the way, this
Speaker 1: has peacemaking possibilities, because you know, if you've got two
Speaker 1: countries and well you have two countries in stalls side
Speaker 1: by side, countries don't get along, they hate each other.
Speaker 1: Suddenly here, by the way, could you spare a square?
Speaker 1: Could you spare a square? You know what I'm referencing.
Speaker 1: Could spare square? As long as I don't have I
Speaker 1: don't have a square despair. As long as we don't
Speaker 1: get into that situation, we might have world peace. The
Speaker 1: other thing, Jason, is it takes us. So I don't
Speaker 1: know about you, but most people, it takes you a
Speaker 1: moment to relax. They don't want to give it to
Speaker 1: you because you know what happens as soon as you
Speaker 1: relax and you have private, real privacy. With all the
Speaker 1: phone apps you have, they did a study that said
Speaker 1: the more apps you're having the phone, the longer you sit,
Speaker 1: you never a private bathroom in a restaurant, you're never leaving.
Speaker 1: You sit back. You're absolutely right because you know my
Speaker 1: screen and once a week it goes your screen time
Speaker 1: is up or down this week, and I noticed whenever
Speaker 1: it says your screen time is down three percent, I've
Speaker 1: been a little bound up that week. I've been a
Speaker 1: little bound up as I understand what your station. I
Speaker 1: think maybe at the end of each episode we could
Speaker 1: do something good and it probably won't be able to
Speaker 1: do that, but have it in this episode. Since we're
Speaker 1: returning to public restrooms in mass Um, I thought, if
Speaker 1: we had to just have some ground rules, even more
Speaker 1: civil to each other. As we're immersed in this delusion
Speaker 1: of privacy, we can't do anything about. What if we
Speaker 1: had an etiquette expert to tell us some ground rules,
Speaker 1: we all agree on it and it just makes that
Speaker 1: experience a little more pleasant. Then we've done our work here.
Speaker 1: So joining us now is a very respected etiquette expert
Speaker 1: as a manufactures the founder of the Protocol School of Texas,
Speaker 1: and she teaches business etiquete jation because some of the
Speaker 1: top Fortune five hundred companies. Diane GutsMan, So Dane, forgive me,
Speaker 1: forgive me I'm gonna jump right in forgive the etiquette
Speaker 1: in the restroom in the urinal world. What's the deal?
Speaker 1: We look straight ahead? Is that okay? Look left? It right?
Speaker 1: What do we do? You just go? You just go,
Speaker 1: But you don't look. You don't you don't mention anything
Speaker 1: you notice. You don't look. Is that what you don't look?
Speaker 1: You don't look at your neighbors, look at yourself. I've
Speaker 1: been thinking peking but commenting going good for you? Good? No,
Speaker 1: that's wrong. No comments. You just go if they're not
Speaker 1: if they're not quite getting in the urinal, can I
Speaker 1: make a comment? I got one for for your di nutation.
Speaker 1: I remember going to the farmer's market in l A
Speaker 1: and an older man. It was in the urinal too
Speaker 1: away from me, and here's what I hear. Oh birth,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god. What do I do?
Speaker 1: Do I say? Are you okay? Or what is etiquette there?
Speaker 1: If it were really serious, Let's say you saw screaming,
Speaker 1: can you say can I get you help? But if
Speaker 1: you hear water works or something else going on, and
Speaker 1: you know, you just know you're pretty safe, do you
Speaker 1: watch the flusher? I just really want to know. I
Speaker 1: never I used my feet. I used my feet. I'm
Speaker 1: in the bathroom, my feet open the door. I brushed
Speaker 1: my hair with my feet. Let me ask you the
Speaker 1: one other thing that I that it doesn't usually come
Speaker 1: up in a public restroom, but it often comes up
Speaker 1: when visiting a friend or you know, being at a party.
Speaker 1: So you you have used the facility, and now you've flushed,
Speaker 1: and something has gone terribly wrong and the water is
Speaker 1: rising rather than sinking, and there's going to be a problem. Yes,
Speaker 1: do you a run for help? Do you be leave
Speaker 1: immediately and deny everything? Do you see what I mean?
Speaker 1: You're so embarrassing, it's so humiliated. So what you have
Speaker 1: to do is you have to own it. You have
Speaker 1: to tell, you have to say, and this is how
Speaker 1: you're gonna say it. You're gonna go to Peter at
Speaker 1: you know, you at this house. You have now plugged
Speaker 1: that toilet. It's now overflowing. You're gonna whisper in Peter's here.
Speaker 1: You know, I know you don't want to know preface
Speaker 1: it with I know you'd want to know. Someone really
Speaker 1: need to go. I hate to tell you, I know
Speaker 1: you want to know that bathroom meets some attention immediately.
Speaker 1: And by the way, you're also horizons. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: and don't telling people's medicine cabinets. Don't look in their showers.
Speaker 1: Come on, say come on, come on people, really big
Speaker 1: thank you to today's guests. Chad Costin, the president of
Speaker 1: the Public Restroom Company, and by the way, update chat
Speaker 1: actually did save the city of San Francisco over four
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars with his donation of a modular prefabricated bathroom.
Speaker 1: You can find him at the Public Restroom Company dot com.
Speaker 1: And cybersecurity expert and ethical hacker Ralph Echamendia, who has
Speaker 1: worked with Oracle Microsoft as an advisor on the Snowden
Speaker 1: movie and the TV series Mr. Robot. He's at r
Speaker 1: Ekamen on Instagram. That's e H E. M. E. N.
Speaker 1: And Diane Gossman, etiquette expert and the founder of the
Speaker 1: Protocols School of Texas. Diane specializes in executive leadership and
Speaker 1: business etiquette training and is the author of Modern Etiquette
Speaker 1: for a Better Life. You can find her at protocol
Speaker 1: School of Texas dot com or on Instagram at Diane Gotsman.
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