WEBVTT - Thursday Therapy: The Momager

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<v Speaker 1>Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>On this week's Thursday Therapy, we have on Pamela Warner.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's the mother of award winning actor Malcolm Jamal Warner,

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<v Speaker 1>famed for his role as Theodora Huxtable on The Cosby Show,

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<v Speaker 1>which we're in for eight seasons. She has a new

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<v Speaker 1>book out about managing kids show biz kids. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>get her on. Hi friend, Hey, good morning. How are you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good? How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good. I'm excited to chat with you because I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you're The book that is just released, it's

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<v Speaker 1>called The Parenting, A Parent's Guide to Managing show Biz

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<v Speaker 1>Kids has come at a really good time for me

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<v Speaker 1>because I've got I've got two well, i've got three kids,

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<v Speaker 1>but two of them. So my son is five, my

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<v Speaker 1>daughter's eight, and then I've got a three month old.

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<v Speaker 2>But boy, you're busy girl.

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<v Speaker 1>My answer full. And it's so I just got offered

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<v Speaker 1>a movie and there's a role in there where they

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<v Speaker 1>essentially asked like, hey, you know, one of the like

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<v Speaker 1>one of the kids in the movie is she's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>seven years old, your daughter's eight. Would you maybe want

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<v Speaker 1>to consider having your daughter play the daughter role. And

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<v Speaker 1>she's come on set with me since she was a baby.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a rope. She's experienced.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's you know, she gets it. She you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she understands, and she always like brings her like coloring book,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, on the you know, in the hair and

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<v Speaker 1>makeup trailer, and she's just she's grew up on the sets,

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<v Speaker 1>so so she likes them. But there was a piece

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<v Speaker 1>of me that and this just happened last night, Like

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<v Speaker 1>all of this just happened last night, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know the answer, because just a few weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 1>I had one of probably one of the biggest auditions

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<v Speaker 1>I tested for. It was between me and another girl.

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<v Speaker 1>I ended up not getting it. And listen, in the

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<v Speaker 1>acting world, as you know, you're rejected ninety nine point

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<v Speaker 1>nine percent of the time, right, And most of those

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<v Speaker 1>rejections I get it, you know, and I'm fine with them.

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<v Speaker 1>I audition, I leave the room, I forget about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But the ones where you sign the contract, you get

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<v Speaker 1>really close and you're like, wow, this is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be that big next Desperate Housewives, and I'm this close

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<v Speaker 1>and it's going to change my entire career and then

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<v Speaker 1>when you don't get it. I mean I I probably

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<v Speaker 1>cried for three straight days and just like I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just a dalist and I suck and like why

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<v Speaker 1>are you? Like, I'm like what do I like? Who

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<v Speaker 1>even am I? I'm like, I'm just nobody and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>never gonna And I'm like, there's that that piece of

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<v Speaker 1>the industry where it just completely makes you feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you are a worthless piece of sh you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I do, I understand, and not not me, but

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<v Speaker 2>I remember experiencing this with Malcolm many many years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was a role that he really wanted. It

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<v Speaker 2>was between him and another kid, and he didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>it and he was so despondent. So I mean it

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<v Speaker 2>was just awful and so it broke my heart. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just said to the agent, if he has to

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<v Speaker 2>go through this, and I don't think this is what

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do. Right. He was a child, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he was a child and he was learning. This is

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<v Speaker 2>just it's just it's part of the business and there's

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<v Speaker 2>no magic anything. It's just it's on such a whim.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole business is, particularly with casting, it's such a

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<v Speaker 2>whim of the person of the gatekeeper. It could be,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a lock of your hair was out of place,

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<v Speaker 2>who knows, who knows, And I think it's something that

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<v Speaker 2>is can be detrimental to an actor. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>do what you said you normally do, just walk away

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<v Speaker 2>from it. But some things you want more than others,

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<v Speaker 2>more than others, But you have to find a way

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<v Speaker 2>to get over it.

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<v Speaker 1>Because yeah, and I obviously I did. But the piece

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<v Speaker 1>that made me pause last night was like, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know the kids, you know, well, they don't make the teams,

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<v Speaker 1>like someone that we're close with, like their kid didn't

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<v Speaker 1>make the travel him and they're upset. Like I understand

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<v Speaker 1>that's a part of life, right, But I'm also like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if this is something that she's going to then enjoy,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, do I really want this for her? And

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<v Speaker 1>that's where the pause came.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, do you want to? Do you want? But

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<v Speaker 2>this is my book was written for that, for that

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<v Speaker 2>parent who has no idea of anything about show business.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't they don't even know what stage left, stage right,

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't even notice. They have no clue. Right in

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<v Speaker 2>your situation, you're an experienced entertainer, actress and you're a mother,

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<v Speaker 2>and so you have to make a decision. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to make a decision. I remember when the

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<v Speaker 2>decision first came to me about management, because I had

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<v Speaker 2>another manager first initially, and when I had to make

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<v Speaker 2>a decision about him, and then I had to make

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<v Speaker 2>a decision with myself. Do I really want to be

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<v Speaker 2>this in involved? Do I really want to take the

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<v Speaker 2>reins of this? Do I really want to I had

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<v Speaker 2>to do the self evaluation and it came up, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I do, because I'm the best person for the job

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<v Speaker 2>of the best person to child. You have such an

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<v Speaker 2>advantage because you know the business and she's old enough

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<v Speaker 2>that you can have conversations with her and you can

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<v Speaker 2>talk to her. Now. The other conversation with yourself is

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<v Speaker 2>how much of this will it take away from what

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do? And that's that's a big question.

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<v Speaker 2>How does this impact my career goals and what I

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<v Speaker 2>want to do for myself? And only you can answer that.

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<v Speaker 2>You can say, well, I'll do fifteen percent, or you

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<v Speaker 2>can get a manager. You can get a manager to

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<v Speaker 2>handle that, oversee everything. Because she's a.

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<v Speaker 1>Minor pamely, You're like, I'm a manager, you're like sending

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<v Speaker 1>her tape right now.

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<v Speaker 2>You know they're different. You know, it's all old saying.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's more than one way to skin a cat.

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<v Speaker 2>So the final decision making is with you. And how

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<v Speaker 2>will it impact your dreams? How will it impact your dreams?

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<v Speaker 2>Because so many times parents their dreams get put aside,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's that's just the way it is.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, you know in Pamelin, when you say that too,

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<v Speaker 1>I go, My whole world now is just to support

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<v Speaker 1>my children. So like I work to support my children,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and like that's my yes, Like obviously this

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<v Speaker 1>last role would have been, you know, something that like

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted for me. But everything else I do and

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<v Speaker 1>most of the things I do now is to check

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<v Speaker 1>the box and to support my kids. Have a roof

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<v Speaker 1>over their head, have a good living for them, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, pay pay their house, of their dads, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, Like I do the things that

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<v Speaker 1>I have to do to support my children, and so absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>but in their dreams are now I'm excited for their dreams. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what do you want to do? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>want it? So it's like we'll try this for we'll

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<v Speaker 1>do this like, you know, I'm like, whatever we got

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<v Speaker 1>to do to give you the life you know and

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<v Speaker 1>to follow your dreams. And it's like their dreams are

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<v Speaker 1>now they excite me and like what is it?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>But also I go into that, you know, when I

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<v Speaker 1>see your book that you know about show biz, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh gosh, I'm like, is someone that doesn't moms that

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<v Speaker 1>don't know? Like what are your tips in the book

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<v Speaker 1>for parents that just don't know the industry at all?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the tips I think are just what I've said

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<v Speaker 2>to you. You got to think about this, think about it,

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<v Speaker 2>do your research, try to understand the business and will

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<v Speaker 2>this fit within your family dynamic? Will it fit for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this really something you want your child to be

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<v Speaker 2>involved in? It's it's you have to do your inner

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<v Speaker 2>research and you have to do your online research. Because

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<v Speaker 2>I can't I can't say yes, do this. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>say no, don't do it. It's really up to the parent,

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<v Speaker 2>right what what what works for them? You know what

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<v Speaker 2>so that you can so that you can follow help

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<v Speaker 2>them have their dreams realize. But I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>say with you you also, yes, you're you're doing you're

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<v Speaker 2>you're taking care of your children. But what gets missed

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes is the parent doesn't get taken care of and

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<v Speaker 2>with you know, you have to find a way to

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<v Speaker 2>balance all of that so that you're also fulfilled because

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<v Speaker 2>you're not just a mother. You know, you're you're you're

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<v Speaker 2>all these other things, and you don't want any of

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff to go by the wayside. Luckily, for me,

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<v Speaker 2>I never knew what I wanted to do, so it

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<v Speaker 2>was okay for me to pour all my into making

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<v Speaker 2>Malcolm's dreams come true. And now at this, at this

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<v Speaker 2>stage in my life, oh okay, they're things that I

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<v Speaker 2>want to do, but I no longer I'm not a

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<v Speaker 2>hand I'll always be a parent, but I'm not a

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<v Speaker 2>caretaking parent at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, right, what do you think along the way

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<v Speaker 1>was your Oh I should have done this? Maybe differently

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<v Speaker 1>when it relates back to the show biz piece.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, I think I should have made more. I

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<v Speaker 2>should have done better. I should have done a better

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<v Speaker 2>job at networking.

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<v Speaker 1>I should have interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Done a better job at forming relationships. I should have

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<v Speaker 2>done a better job of promoting myself as his manager.

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<v Speaker 2>I was very comfortable to kind of be in the

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<v Speaker 2>background and I really wish I had a network more

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<v Speaker 2>and developed certain relationships with people in the industry. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't do it shyness, being shy, not really understanding what

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<v Speaker 2>networking and these how these friendships can pay off, you

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<v Speaker 2>know later down the line. Didn't understand it because no

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<v Speaker 2>one told me, no one, you should do X, Y

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<v Speaker 2>and Z. And then that's why I wrote the book.

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<v Speaker 2>And as we're talking, I should have put that in

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<v Speaker 2>the book too, but I did. But that could be

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<v Speaker 2>in the workshops. I can say that in the workshops.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think those are the things that I wish

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<v Speaker 2>I could have done. Other than that, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>there's not much that I would have changed. And even

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of even if I had a dream, it

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<v Speaker 2>was more important for me that he's taken care of,

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<v Speaker 2>that he was taken care of, that my son was

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<v Speaker 2>taken care of. If I had have had a dream,

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<v Speaker 2>I probably would have abdicated that for what I did

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<v Speaker 2>do was to give my full attention to his career

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<v Speaker 2>and his well being.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, yeah, and I think something else too that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you wrote this in the Boo

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<v Speaker 1>book as well. And of the movies that I've done

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<v Speaker 1>I've I've only seen moms on set with the babies,

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<v Speaker 1>not saying the dad's arm, they're I'm sure they're working

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, handling the house stuff back home or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I'll say to and again, I'm curious if

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<v Speaker 1>you wrote this in as well, but I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>the moms don't feel like a lot of them, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, I they don't want to get in

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<v Speaker 1>the way, right and so they maybe not they don't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like they have a voice. So there's certain things

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<v Speaker 1>that have happened on set where I'm like, hey, you

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<v Speaker 1>should that. Don't allow that, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like and say something about it, because this is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>either past hours or they're not doing something right, or

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<v Speaker 1>it's not good. It's too hot and they're you know whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you you have, you have a voice, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can use that, Like don't don't be like, oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>everything's fine, because I'm like, it's not fine. He's sicks,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he looks like he's about to pass out

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<v Speaker 1>on set, you know, figured it out, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like you could have a voice, you know, And I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's hard. I can imagine it being hard for

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<v Speaker 1>the moms to just feel like, well, they don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to overstep or they don't want to get in the

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<v Speaker 1>way of something. But your child's working like they should.

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<v Speaker 1>They should know that they have a voice to speak

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<v Speaker 1>and use their voice, but you know, not be like

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<v Speaker 1>two overstepping. Right. So it's like the balance, how do

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<v Speaker 1>you do that? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of times people come into a

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<v Speaker 2>situation like that, that's their mindset anyway that they don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to overstep. They'll do that at the market, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying at the grocery store that say,

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<v Speaker 2>well maybe I shouldn't you know that? What a person

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<v Speaker 2>that has that that demeanor will have that in any situation.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that it's once once again it's about research.

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<v Speaker 2>What are the rules and regulations? Go contact the union,

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<v Speaker 2>find out what your rights are, find out what is

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<v Speaker 2>best for the child. Uh, this is where your research

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<v Speaker 2>comes in. I think that I do understand because it's

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<v Speaker 2>so it's so big, and it's so and you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to make a mistake and you don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>cause a disruption. But as long as you have in

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<v Speaker 2>the forefront of your mind the well being of your child,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to become a mama bear, not not a

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<v Speaker 2>not not a stage mom or someone who is in intenable.

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<v Speaker 2>But you have to protect your child at all, at

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<v Speaker 2>all costs. And if you do see that it is

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<v Speaker 2>too hot, if you do see your child is not

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<v Speaker 2>feeling well, you have you do have to speak up.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people did just that's just not their nature to

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<v Speaker 2>speak up period. But some people, yeah, and even though

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<v Speaker 2>they can see it and feel it and want to,

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<v Speaker 2>they would, they they would, they won't do it. But

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that that the that my book will give

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<v Speaker 2>them a little more impetus to to speak up.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, Now in all areas of work too, you know

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<v Speaker 1>that shouldn't just yeah, be on that in all areas

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<v Speaker 1>like you should you have a voice, and that should

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<v Speaker 1>be a very known thing. Exactly do you do you

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<v Speaker 1>touch on social media at all? Because now that is

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<v Speaker 1>a totally different showbiz world as well when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to TikTok and all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I do not touch on social media because that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of goes across the board. It includes all forms

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<v Speaker 2>of entertainment. And once again, it's about doing your research.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about doing the research and what will work for you.

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<v Speaker 2>I do not I do not explore the whole social

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<v Speaker 2>media because it's a lot. It's a lot, and it's complex,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't want to give incorrect information. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that in doing the research, the parent will find

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<v Speaker 2>how that works for them for their child and their family.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you have a favorite memory of your son

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<v Speaker 1>being on the Cosby Show.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that there is any one particular thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I can that stands out. I think his overall,

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<v Speaker 2>the way he approached his work on the show, he

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<v Speaker 2>was very serious. He was he was very very present.

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<v Speaker 2>He understood what his responsibilities were as far as in

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<v Speaker 2>that ensemble. He listened and took direction very well. But

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<v Speaker 2>that started at home. You had to listen and you

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<v Speaker 2>and you had to you know, you had to listen

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<v Speaker 2>to what I had to say. If you weren't listening

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<v Speaker 2>and I had to keep repeating, it meant that you

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<v Speaker 2>really were not paying attention to me. So he got that.

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<v Speaker 2>He got that first hand. I think overall, his enjoyment

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<v Speaker 2>of being there, his enjoyment of the show, so there wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's his overall time on the show was

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<v Speaker 2>memorable in terms of his approach and how much he

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<v Speaker 2>really did enjoy working on that show. He enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think any of that, I mean, the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that happened with Bill obviously, does that Did that come

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<v Speaker 1>in effect just kind of dampen the now looking back

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<v Speaker 1>at the show, or do you still have like are

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<v Speaker 1>you able to separate? Is he able to separate? It too?

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<v Speaker 2>That did not taint our feelings. It did not taint

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<v Speaker 2>any of the time or any of the feelings, the

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<v Speaker 2>good feelings that we had about the show, not in

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<v Speaker 2>any way, Not in any way, because that's that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>what that's his personal, private life. This was worth an

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<v Speaker 2>ensemble cast two different worlds, and it did not change.

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<v Speaker 2>It did not change our relationship with him. It did

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<v Speaker 2>not change our love, admir or respect for him. And

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<v Speaker 2>that was not our that was not our lane. That

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<v Speaker 2>was his lane.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, yeah, yeah, that's good. I was curious how

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<v Speaker 1>that would But that makes sense. It's like one's personal

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<v Speaker 1>and one is you know, you as long as you

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<v Speaker 1>show up to your work and obviously you create a friendship, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's that's hard. But at the same time, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you just have to be in your lane. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you think, what do you want? Like the biggest takeaway

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<v Speaker 1>to be from your book that.

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<v Speaker 2>You are not voiceless, that the voice, and that your

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge is power, and that you I just don't want

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<v Speaker 2>parents to feel lost and just like a babe in

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<v Speaker 2>the woods. I don't want them to feel that way

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<v Speaker 2>because that's the way I felt when I first got

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<v Speaker 2>into the business on this level, before Cosby Show, it

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<v Speaker 2>was an extracurricular activity. It was just something to do,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. I didn't take it seriously. That world was

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<v Speaker 2>not on my radar on any level. But once it

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<v Speaker 2>became a business, and once that show took off I did,

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<v Speaker 2>I was completely and totally lost, and it was it's

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<v Speaker 2>a it's not a good feeling because you're making or

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know if your decision is a career enhancer

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<v Speaker 2>or a career destroyer. You don't know. You just do

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<v Speaker 2>not know, and you don't have any any perspective because

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<v Speaker 2>it's not your world. And so just the just the heart,

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<v Speaker 2>the stone in my heart. Am I doing? Am I

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<v Speaker 2>making the right decision? Am I doing the right thing?

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<v Speaker 2>But I always kept in mind, like I said before,

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<v Speaker 2>what is best for my child? So with my book,

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<v Speaker 2>it gives basics, It gives basic information that some parents

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<v Speaker 2>don't have and just don't know just the basic basic

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<v Speaker 2>things because each situation is different, and so they will

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<v Speaker 2>grow in their own way with their child and their

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<v Speaker 2>child's career. Their child's career is not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>like another child's career or like the career that that

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<v Speaker 2>my child had. You, but there's a foundation and a basics,

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<v Speaker 2>a basis, basics for all of it. And that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I've written, just the basics. The basics. They yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Those basics though, are so important because I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>so many people and even just the people like how

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<v Speaker 1>do I get into acting or how do It's just

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<v Speaker 1>there's just basics on all of it, like you just

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<v Speaker 1>have to you know, you know, especially with a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean again, you have to know what are there?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what are the standards, what are the rules?

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<v Speaker 1>What is this and what does what does this mean?

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<v Speaker 1>And so because it all is confusing and it's a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>and for someone that doesn't know that world, it's it

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<v Speaker 1>can just be it can be overwhelming. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I've also included a glossary in the book, so there

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<v Speaker 2>are terms so that when someone says whatever you're not

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you can pull your book out and look

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<v Speaker 2>at it.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you know absolutely well. I love it. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for coming on. Everyone, go get a Parent's Guide to

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<v Speaker 1>Managing Showbiz Kids. It was released on February fifth, so

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<v Speaker 1>go get your copy. Pamela, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>coming on.

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<v Speaker 2>Wine down you and good luck with your career. Thanks baby,

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<v Speaker 2>good one's buddy career.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you appreciate it, Thank you all right, bye friend,