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Speaker 1: I think you could look at it. I mean the Eagles,

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Speaker 1: if I are Paul de Luca, who's the team doctor,

430
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Speaker 1: and brought it back and he was the doctor when

431
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Speaker 1: I was there, he was doctor for a long time.

432
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Speaker 1: They had a bunch of injuries. Someone had to, you know,

433
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Speaker 1: get the finger pointed at him. I think sometimes that's

434
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Speaker 1: an easy one to just blame the strength staff or

435
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Speaker 1: the doctor. I saw it with the forty nine ers.

436
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: It's like, well, maybe you just like tackle and practice

437
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 1: and it just wears on people. Again, I'm just guessing.

438
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: Or maybe it's just like you just had a flip

439
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: of a coin bad year, or like in any business,

440
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Speaker 1: there are people that are better at podcasting. There are

441
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Speaker 1: people that are better at finance. There are people in

442
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Speaker 1: the medical industry that listen, I don't know wherever you

443
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Speaker 1: live right now, there are certain doctors, like you want

444
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Speaker 1: to go to this doctor if you have a knee issue, Hey,

445
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: my back's hurting. This guy is the number one guy.

446
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 1: We basically talk about him like he's like the ace

447
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Speaker 1: pitcher for the Yankees, or he's like a star player

448
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: in basketball. That's how you talk about certain doctors. So

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Speaker 1: it's why would this be any different. There aren't an

450
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Speaker 1: unl limited amount of elite doctors, and certain areas of

451
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 1: the country have access to better ones, right like the

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Speaker 1: forty nine ers in the Rams like they got Stamford

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Speaker 1: and UCLA right in their back pocket. So in theory,

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Speaker 1: you would be like, well, we go to UCLA men

455
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Speaker 1: get their number one guy. What if they're number one

456
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Speaker 1: guy not that big a football fan doesn't want to

457
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Speaker 1: do it. So I've always thought it can be a

458
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Speaker 1: little mixture of both. Sometimes it's truly unlucky, and probably

459
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Speaker 1: certain hires are better than others, and certain people are

460
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Speaker 1: more talented at their field than others. But I think

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Speaker 1: big picture in football, listen, there's always been injuries in

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Speaker 1: the sport, like there have always been teams. You go

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Speaker 1: back to the fifties, you go to the eighties, you

464
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Speaker 1: go to the nineties that have had a year like

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Speaker 1: the Lions, where everyone gets injured. Now it does feel

466
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Speaker 1: on the whole like people get injured more now than ever.

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Speaker 1: I don't actually think it's even close when it comes

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Speaker 1: to hamstrings, when it comes to acl My theory didn't

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Speaker 1: go to medical school, just went to a couple of

470
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Speaker 1: state schools in California and watch a lot of football.

471
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Speaker 1: Is forever in football up till twenty eleven, you had

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Speaker 1: double days and you worked on your body playing football

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Speaker 1: on the field and guys worked out in the offseason,

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Speaker 1: but not nearly like they do now. And I would

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Speaker 1: guess there is some correlation of you've never played less football.

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Speaker 1: Most teams don't even more pads in the season, right,

477
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Speaker 1: but you train, you know you got I saw see

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Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey on Instagram. He trains like three hundred and

479
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Speaker 1: sixty five days a year, and I think he's even

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Speaker 1: He's mentioned like, I probably got to lighten up because

481
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,959
Speaker 1: you're training for football more than you're even playing. And

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Speaker 1: then in training camp, especially once you become a really

483
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Speaker 1: good player, teams are very hesitant with you in fairness

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Speaker 1: because I'm paying you thirty forty fifty million dollars a year.

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Speaker 1: Then I get to a game I don't really play

486
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Speaker 1: in the preseason. I get to a game or it's

487
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: just full speed, full tackle, and I haven't done any

488
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Speaker 1: of that, like September tenth it starts, or whenever the

489
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Speaker 1: date is week one yet from the end of the season,

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Speaker 1: let's say January seventh or mid January. If I'm a

491
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Speaker 1: playoff team, I have not really played football, not to

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Speaker 1: the level in which the game yet. In fighting, for example,

493
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: you spar constantly I mean, look at hockey. The only

494
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Speaker 1: way to play hockey, and the PK Subahn's been going

495
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Speaker 1: on these rants is she's kind of got to play.

496
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: We're in football in trading camp. You can play football,

497
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Speaker 1: but you can do what they call thud or you know,

498
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: kind of two hand touchoff where it's like I impact you,

499
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Speaker 1: but I'm not taking you to the ground. That there

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Speaker 1: is a huge difference. And I've gone to a lot

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Speaker 1: of training camp practices over the last decade that which

502
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: is still like really impressive to watch, you know, Deebo

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Speaker 1: Samuel contact Fred Warner in the open field like it's

504
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: still a collision. If it was me or you, we'd

505
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: go flying. They hit each other and they keep moving.

506
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: We're in a game that would be a tackle. And

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Speaker 1: I just think that for a long period of time,

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Speaker 1: you played football in training camp and you trained the

509
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Speaker 1: callouses of your body, and that no longer happens. And

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Speaker 1: you can't convince me that that hasn't had I would

511
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Speaker 1: say a negative impact when it comes to injuries, more

512
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: than the doctor and more than the training question for

513
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Speaker 1: the pod. Last year, Sean Payton and the Broncos were

514
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Speaker 1: criticized by the national media for drafting Knicks. Heading into

515
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Speaker 1: the season, they were almost universally ranked as one of

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Speaker 1: the five worst teams in the league. However, they proved

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Speaker 1: the doubters wrong with a double digit winning season, a

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Speaker 1: playoff berth and thirty four total touchdowns for bo Nicks,

519
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Speaker 1: third most all time for rookie quarterback. It's good stat

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that. They will probably draft the tight

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Speaker 1: end to running back and dabble in the veteran wide

522
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Speaker 1: receiver pool this offseason. Do you feel like it was

523
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Speaker 1: just a flash in the pan or will they improve?

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Speaker 1: I've been saying this about the Chargers and the Broncos.

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Speaker 1: That is gonna be Peyton and Harbaugh's worst team. It's

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00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: gonna be their worst rosters. Their teams are going to

527
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Speaker 1: get better. So sometimes when you have a random coach,

528
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Speaker 1: like it turned out that one year with Brian dayball

529
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Speaker 1: flash in the pan. This is not a flash in

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Speaker 1: the pan for Jim Harbor and Sean Payton because you

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Speaker 1: look at their resumes, so you know, to take a

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Speaker 1: huge jump, you got to hit on a couple random

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Speaker 1: free agents. Sometimes you get lucky. I mean the Eagles

534
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Speaker 1: Zach Bond. No one saw that coming and including them.

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Speaker 1: So I think, uh yeah, you just there's some luck involved,

536
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Speaker 1: there's some skill involved, and then there's just some developmental

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Speaker 1: strides of your own guys and your own team. Like

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Speaker 1: can bo Nicks take a big step, because if you can,

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Speaker 1: you're in pretty good shape. Can Patrick's certain maintain his

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Speaker 1: level of play and be an elite player. You're a

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Speaker 1: good chef, can Benito said his name Benito? Just keep

542
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: dominating because you've got some core pieces, right, So, I, yeah,

543
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Speaker 1: I'd be pretty fired up if I was a Bronco fan. Eric,

544
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: longtime Seattle fan. Gino has an aggressive agent, and they've

545
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Speaker 1: asked for extension extensions and to rework deals after the

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Speaker 1: twenty two season and the twenty three season, which they

547
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: didn't get after the twenty four season. Fans don't think

548
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna play on this old deal anymore. Three years,

549
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Speaker 1: seventy five million. It's a pretty good deal for the

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Speaker 1: Seattle and he'll hold out, okay, should we resign him

551
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Speaker 1: or go into free agency? He holds a large forty

552
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: four million dollar cap hit this year. Okay, good question.

553
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: Clearly they're not gonna have Geno Smith on a forty

554
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Speaker 1: four million dollar cap hit. I'd have a hard time

555
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Speaker 1: resigning him to anything other than kind of the number

556
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Speaker 1: he's been playing on. Maybe make it a little bigger,

557
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Speaker 1: like can I give you like a two year, sixty

558
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: million dollar extension? Like I can't pay you forty fifty

559
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 1: million dollars? Can't do it? And I my big issue

560
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: this always happens like what will you do without him?

561
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll figure it out. We're not replacing

562
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: Brett far from his prime here. This isn't twenty seven

563
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Speaker 1: year old Joe Montana, Like, I don't know. I found

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Speaker 1: Geno Smith. I can figure it out. If we got

565
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Speaker 1: to take a step back, take a step four, will

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Speaker 1: do it. I think anytime that you get caught up

567
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: is like what will you do? I don't know? I

568
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: mean I found Geno Smith. I can find another Geno Smith.

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Speaker 1: So I think sometimes that people freak out about like

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Speaker 1: the middle of the road quarterback, like this is not

571
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Speaker 1: like what would you do without Joe Burrow? Or a

572
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: franchise would crumble? What would happen if Josh Allen disappeared tomorrow,

573
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Speaker 1: We'd be fucked. What would happen if Gino Smith held

574
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: out slash? We cut him Slash wasn't on our team

575
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: next year. I don't know. I'd be interested to find out, though,

576
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: especially when we're talking like this is a business, so

577
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: the cap hit the money kind of matters. Could I

578
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: get keep getting into business with Geno Smith? Who's betting

579
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Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm taking shots at him? Incredible

580
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: fucking story. I mean, his career was over, everyone had

581
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: written him off, and as Gino said, he didn't right back.

582
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: Clearly pretty high level cat kats. Some huge moments throughout

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Speaker 1: his career with Seattle kept them in the mix. They've

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Speaker 1: made the playoffs two out of three years, right, they

585
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: make the playoffs last year? No, they missed, but they

586
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Speaker 1: won ten games. Be interested to know what Mike McDonald

587
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Speaker 1: thinks about him. Love the show, Fellow Arizona transplant. Why

588
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: on earth do you think we the NFL consumer want

589
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: to listen to Aaron Rodgers? Well? I would include myself

590
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: in your WII He's just famous. Why does anyone want

591
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: to listen to any of these guys? Right? Why do

592
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: most guys get Why did Tom Brady get hired because

593
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: he's Tom Brady? If Aaron Rodgers got hired on TV,

594
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: why would he get hired because Aaron Rodgers one. I've

595
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: said this over and over, and I believe this too much.

596
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: It doesn't fucking matter after a game or two who's

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00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: calling the game right? So like Aaron Rodgers listen. Would

598
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: he piss some people off? Sure he would? Would it

599
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: probably not be as crazy as people would assume. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's clearly not going to go into broadcasting this year

601
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: because it looks like he's still gonna play. But I've

602
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: watched a lot of football over the last I don't know,

603
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: fifteen plus years. There are a ton of god awful announcers.

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Speaker 1: I promise Aaron Rodgers be fine. People think my Aaron

605
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: Rodgers take of him going to Amazon's crazy, I'm all

606
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Speaker 1: for it. I hope they hire him if he plays

607
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: this year next year. Glad you enjoyed the Four Nations

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Speaker 1: faceoff tournament. I was happy to see hockey get some

609
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: good coverage. I think it's the second best spot after

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Speaker 1: football and has been the best playoffs out of any sport.

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Speaker 1: Do you think hockey can take the number two or

612
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: three spot if basketball keeps trending down? Also, you should

613
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Speaker 1: check out the ASU hockey game. I went to the

614
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Speaker 1: Arena a couple yearyears ago when the Coyotes were playing

615
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: there and they played the Washington Capitals. I saw Ovechkin.

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Speaker 1: It's the only hockey game I've ever been to. I

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00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: would say no. And I think the problem is in

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00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: this country part of the reason we watch sports, right,

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Speaker 1: every sport I watch, for the most part, I've played

620
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Speaker 1: right like football, played high school football, basketball played growing up,

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Speaker 1: played pick up basketball, played up till like eighth grade.

622
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: I never played baseball past little league. But it's like

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Speaker 1: most people at one point in time play some sort

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Speaker 1: of organized baseball, golf. I still played it this day.

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00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: Even tennis, Like played a little tennis grown up. Even

626
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: in college, kind of messed around to get a work

627
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 1: out here and there. So most things that I have watched,

628
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: I have played in a lot of them, like on

629
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Speaker 1: teams or with other people, like in a semi serious environment.

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Speaker 1: And so when you think about people like football has

631
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: the most just because the quantity of people playing, but

632
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: baseball and basketball in this country, if you do play athletics,

633
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: you probably have dabbled either in junior high school or

634
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: junior high in those sports. So you are just going

635
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: to be more inclined to watch those where hockey it

636
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: is very, very dependent on the weather. So there are

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00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: areas that hockey's really popular right the Northeast, I would

638
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: say Michigan, Minnesota, the Dakota's where it's hard, Like hockey's

639
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: never going to be that big in the South, where

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Speaker 1: baseball and basketball and obviously football, but even like golf

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Speaker 1: are just going to be way bigger because young people

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Speaker 1: are going to play them, and I think that will

643
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Speaker 1: be a difficult thing for them to overcome. And I'm

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Speaker 1: with you. The NHL Hockey Playoffs, which I have loosely

645
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: followed over the years but I definitely was dialed in

646
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: last year, is fantastic. The energy, the effort. You don't

647
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Speaker 1: even really need to know like every rule like you

648
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Speaker 1: would in baseball, basketball, or football to really enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm pretty simple to be entertained. I like violence.

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00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: I like effort when it comes to sports. Honestly, when

651
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Speaker 1: it comes to anything, Like if you have a violent show,

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Speaker 1: I'll probably watch. I've said this over and over, like

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Speaker 1: the what's the show with the dragons? Game of Thrones,

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Speaker 1: I'm not into that world. Like I don't really do

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Speaker 1: fake worlds that that's not my type. Television or movies like,

656
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Speaker 1: it just doesn't do it for me. You know, I've

657
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: never been a big like Darth Vader guy. I don't

658
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: even think I've watched bits and pieces of it over

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Speaker 1: the year. But obviously there's some of you guys are

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Speaker 1: die hard with some of that stuff. I'm not a

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Speaker 1: huge sci fi whatever fake world. Maybe it's not fake,

662
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Speaker 1: maybe it actually existed, even like alien type stuff. Like

663
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Speaker 1: not totally into but if you give me incredible fighting

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Speaker 1: scenes and obviously some sex scenes and some drama. Like

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Speaker 1: I was entertained by Game of Thrones. It didn't like

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't rank it as one of my top all

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Speaker 1: time television shows, but I knew culturally it was a

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Speaker 1: big deal, and I watched and I could at least

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Speaker 1: semi enjoy it because of fighting and sex. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think we're pretty easily entertained. And if you just

671
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: watch the hockey playoffs and people are fighting and people

672
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: are getting lit up, and you're just like, ah, this

673
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Speaker 1: is pretty, and the effort is elite. It's why we

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Speaker 1: like the NCAA tournament. The effort is elite. I don't

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Speaker 1: know anyone in college basketball beside Cooper Flack, but I

676
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: will watch a ton of the NC DOUBLEA tournament because

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Speaker 1: how much it means to the players. If it means

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Speaker 1: a lot to the talent, it's gonna mean a lot

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Speaker 1: to the consumer. So why regular season basketball? Like we've

680
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: tuned it out because the players don't care. So if

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Speaker 1: they don't care, why the fuck am I gonna care?

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Speaker 1: And in baseball I think they kind of care a

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Speaker 1: lot of the time, but the games don't actually matter.

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Speaker 1: What was the podcast you mentioned recently that had an

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Speaker 1: episode an education and the use of AI. I think

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Speaker 1: it was the All In podcast. They talk a lot

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Speaker 1: about AI, which a little over my head, but I

688
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: think it was the last one. Enjoy the pod. Congrats

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Speaker 1: on having Super Bowl winning GM and Andy Reid on

690
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Speaker 1: the pod last year. Would have had him on again

691
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: at the combine. I think we're gonna maybe try to

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Speaker 1: do like a Spring maybe some sort of Spring GM tour,

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Speaker 1: see if we can make that happen, get a sponsored

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Speaker 1: Corse Lighthller at me. My question relates to the recent

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Speaker 1: hiring of Kevin Potolo. I think I'm saying his name

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Speaker 1: right as the offensive coordinated Eagles. He's been an assistant

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Speaker 1: coach for several years but to my knowledge, has never

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Speaker 1: called plays. And it got me thinking, have you ever

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Speaker 1: seen or heard of an instance in which a coach

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Speaker 1: was considered a great play designer, but its an OC

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Speaker 1: or even a head coach failed as a play collar.

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Speaker 1: Seeing that each requires a unique yet different set of skills,

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Speaker 1: it feels like something that could happen from time to time.

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Speaker 1: I bet it happens a lot, I would imagine. Let's

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Speaker 1: use him as an example. He has been in the

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Speaker 1: NFL for a long time. I think I looked at

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Speaker 1: his resume. He'd been there, I mean for since the

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Speaker 1: late two thousands. I actually interned with the chiefs in

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Speaker 1: the business department in fall of seven, and he was

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Speaker 1: on the staff as like a young young assistant. I

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Speaker 1: mean you're talking seventeen years ago. So most guys, when

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Speaker 1: they've been in the NFL for a long time and

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Speaker 1: they work around good people, are gonna learn a lot

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Speaker 1: of football and be good like I bet a lot

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Speaker 1: of coaches who have been in the NFL as an

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Speaker 1: assistant coach. Whether you're a wide receiver coach, whether you're

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Speaker 1: running back coach, O line coach, D line coach, you're

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Speaker 1: in the league for a decade plus you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: pretty good knowledge of schematics. And I bet a decent

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Speaker 1: amount of them could draw a lot of sweet plays

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Speaker 1: on the whiteboard on a given week. Right we're playing

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Speaker 1: Team X, they do this, what would work against that? Well,

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Speaker 1: part of being a good play caller is like you

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Speaker 1: get you study for the test, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: people can study well. Then you get to the test

726
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Speaker 1: and like, things that you studied aren't exactly translating, so

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Speaker 1: you kind of got to be instinctive on the fly

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Speaker 1: and change in real time. And it's really intense. So

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Speaker 1: you actually have to have the cognitive ability to, like

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Speaker 1: everything you've studied put now forward, and then the ability

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Speaker 1: to like stay calm if it's not working and adjust

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Speaker 1: or change. And that's I mean, think about Belichick and Andy,

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Speaker 1: how like calm, cool and collected they are so like

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Speaker 1: part of the reason that they never panic one their

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00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: experience levels were made basically longer than everyone they're competing

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Speaker 1: against at this point. But like you start freaking out,

737
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: and you could use this in life, and I listen,

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Speaker 1: I I still have it in me, but I try

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Speaker 1: to be very careful with the hot temper with freaking

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Speaker 1: out about situations that don't go your way. You break something.

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Speaker 1: You can be around the house, it could be in

742
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Speaker 1: a relationship, it could be anything in life. You don't

743
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Speaker 1: think straight when you freak out, And I do believe

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Speaker 1: that some people get in over their head. If you

745
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: start freaking out, you're not gonna be good at the job.

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Speaker 1: And the job is really intense because you know a

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Speaker 1: lot of people are watching you. So yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: imagine we have a lot of good play designers who

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Speaker 1: are offer awful play callers because it's just it's just

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Speaker 1: too intense. Can you explain from a scout's perspective the

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Speaker 1: difference between a football player that is talented versus one

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Speaker 1: that is instinctive? And generally speaking, if you were a GM,

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Speaker 1: which would you be more likely to draft a less

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00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: talented but more instinctive player a more talented, less instinctive player. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think you could use talent as like sides, size

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Speaker 1: and speed. So you'll see this time of year, a

757
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: lot of guys like this wide receiver. He's six foot

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Speaker 1: four and he just ran a four to four flat.

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Speaker 1: But then you're like, well, he can't really ever locate

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Speaker 1: the ball down the field and his hands are kind

761
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Speaker 1: of iffy, so it's like he has physical gifts, but

762
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Speaker 1: his instincts are awful, and you could if he has

763
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Speaker 1: bad hands. Let's say he has good hands, so he

764
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Speaker 1: actually is really talented, but like contested catches, he doesn't

765
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Speaker 1: have great spatial awareness and it doesn't work. It happens

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Speaker 1: a lot with DB's right. They they fit all the measurements,

767
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Speaker 1: like this this corner six foot one's changed the directions. Elite.

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00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: He's an elite athlete. He's a big time talent. Yet

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Speaker 1: if you just throw a ball up and he's covering

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00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: a guy, he has no clue what's going on. D Lineman.

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Speaker 1: You see a lot of D linemen. It's like this guy.

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Speaker 1: This guy looks like Tarzan and then he plays like Jane.

773
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Speaker 1: Why because like his feel for like when to make

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Speaker 1: a move, his instincts playing the position. Think about most

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Speaker 1: of the good defensive linemen, their instincts are elite. Aaron Donald,

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Speaker 1: JJ Watt, TJ Watt, the Bosa brothers when they're healthy,

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Speaker 1: Khalil Mack like they're just natural. They have a good

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00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: feel for it in instincts, it's hard to quantify. It's

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Speaker 1: why you see some draft bus is because if you

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Speaker 1: don't have instincts to play a position, I say it's

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Speaker 1: all quarterback. You know, playmaking instincts. Mahomes is elite at it.

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Speaker 1: Jalen's pretty good at it when he's playing well. Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen's and Lamar they have elite instincts, So I ideally

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Speaker 1: Like I can take a talented offensive guard and kind

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Speaker 1: of figure it out if his instincts aren't great. It's

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Speaker 1: hard to play linebacker. If you don't have good instincts,

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Speaker 1: it's impossible to play dB. I think if you don't

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Speaker 1: a wide receiver if you're really talented, because I can

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Speaker 1: Sports question for you, why doesn't the WNBA and soccer

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Speaker 1: play in smaller market cities without professional men's teams to

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Speaker 1: help drive ticket prices and interest. Basically play in cities

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Speaker 1: that have all the other minor league teams, and they

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Speaker 1: play in small arenas. Just talking with my wife about it,

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Speaker 1: it seems pretty obvious their games would be the event

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Speaker 1: in the city like Spokane, Washington or some shit. It's

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Speaker 1: a good question, I'll be completely honest. I've never spent

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Speaker 1: one second thinking about that. Now. I'm not a huge well,

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Speaker 1: let's face it, I don't watch any women's sports. I'd

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Speaker 1: say the most women's sports I've ever watched, beside life

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Speaker 1: team USA soccer maybe over the years, has been some

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Speaker 1: Caitlyn Clark playing hoops. But I've never thought about their

830
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Speaker 1: business model. Let's face it. I mean, the WNBA exists

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Speaker 1: because of the NBA. They have never in the history

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Speaker 1: their league pulled the profit. So like obviously in a

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Speaker 1: lot of industries, some businesses subsidize other parts of their business.

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Speaker 1: I would say most businesses like the WNBA could not

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Speaker 1: have gone on for three decades losing money while their

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Speaker 1: employees complained about not flying private and not making enough

837
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Speaker 1: money when they literally never generated any money now with

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Speaker 1: Caitlyn Clark boom, you would think they would have the

839
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Speaker 1: opportunity to make money, but then everyone in the league

840
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: is pissed off and thinks she gets too much gi

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Speaker 1: It's like, guys is just supplying demand and for whatever reason,

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00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: there is a lot of demand for her, and it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: she's a white girl. There have been a lot of

844
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Speaker 1: white chicks in the WNBA that you couldn't have paid

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Speaker 1: any fucking person I know to watch them dribble the

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Speaker 1: basketball one time, So it's like, I don't know, she's

847
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: just she reminded people of Steph Curry the way she played.

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Speaker 1: They're pushing back against it. So I actually think playing

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Speaker 1: in areas where there's for the WNBA, where NBA is

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00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: that means basketball should be popular in theory is probably

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Speaker 1: the right way to go. But I think WNBA, beside

852
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 1: Kitlin Clark has a lot of issues just because everyone,

853
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: like you could argue, if they hate on her, it

854
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: only makes her more popular. But what they experienced last

855
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: year was like, you guys are clueless, but I mean

856
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: they everyone in that business has literally never had to

857
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: make a profit to maintain their job, which wouldn't exist

858
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: for me, or you or most people you know. Three

859
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: decades in, I've noticed that player success in the NFL

860
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: depends a lot on external factors, coaching, scheme, supporting, cast,

861
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,479
Speaker 1: team environment. As a Panther fan, I followed Bryce Young

862
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: and CJ. Stroud debate closely, and one thing I keep

863
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: hearing is that we'll vir truly know if Stroud would

864
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: have succeeded in Carolina the way he has in Houston.

865
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: It raises a bigger question. How do we determine whether

866
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 1: a player is capable of succeeding anywhere versus somehow whose

867
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: success or struggles is mostly a product of their situation.

868
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: For example, let's be clear, guys like mahomes Lamar Burrow

869
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: and Allen have transcendent talent, but when evaluating someone like

870
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: Bryce Young, how do we separate the individual ability from

871
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: the circumstances around him. On the flip side, we've seen

872
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: cases like Baker Mayfield, who struggled in certain environments but

873
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: has found success in the right system, and Josh Rosen

874
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 1: Josh wasn't good enough. It's a question that it will

875
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: never go away because we'll never be able to quantify it.

876
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: I think it's easy to go Patrick Mahomes would have

877
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: been Patrick Mahomes wherever. Probably not. Now, would he have

878
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: been good? Yeah, I would imagine he would have been

879
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: a long time starter and had a lot of good moments,

880
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: But he'd be the first to tell you. I got

881
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: extremely lucky that Andy Reid called me on draft night

882
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: and said, we are drafting you, Patrick, And then I

883
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: got there with Brett Veach, who was the driving force

884
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: and getting me drafted, who both guys were all in

885
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 1: on me. And it turns out that Andy Reid is

886
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: one of the greatest coaches of all time. And when

887
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: I started, they already had Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce

888
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: on the team. Like, there are things that you have

889
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: going for you. If I put him on the Carolina Panthers,

890
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 1: it probably wouldn't have gone as smoothly. Right. Lamar is

891
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: a good example. He's way better. I mean, he could

892
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: play anywhere now, but early on, like going to the

893
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: Ravens is a pretty good spot, especially as they adapted

894
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: and build an entire offense around him. It's like, would

895
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson have looked the same if he just would

896
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 1: have gone to the Miami Dolphins. I think we would

897
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: doubt that, But these are we can never who knows,

898
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: like how many points would prime Michael Jordan's score today,

899
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure average forty five. I think he'd average

900
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: a lot, right, It's like or a better example would be, like, well,

901
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 1: the entire league's gone small, what would like nineteen ninety

902
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: six Shaquille O'Neal do in the w not WNBA, fuck NBA.

903
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: It'd be a problem for people, right, But these are

904
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: this is what makes sports fun. We don't know the

905
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: answer to any of these, ever, it's incredible hypotheticals. Well,

906
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: we can talk till we're blue in the face, and

907
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: we will never get a resolution. There will never be

908
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: an outcome. Listen, one of my favorite topics, let's let's

909
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: redraft twenty fourteen. Okay, let's redraft twenty fourteen. In the

910
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: history of sports, there has never been an actual redraft

911
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: after the fact, like five years later, Well, if we

912
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: redrafted now Micah Parsons, Well, yeah, he went twelve and

913
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: he's on the Dallas Cowboy, So like, if we redrafted,

914
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: of course he'd go number two, but that's not happening.

915
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: Big fan from Canada been following since you were rocking

916
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: Titos with Haberman a few years back. I mean no disrespect.

917
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: I'm a Niner fan and always wondered what deal is

918
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: with the Bay Area serving softball questions to Kyle and company.

919
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: Guys ask certain questions, myself becoming a fan of Grant,

920
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 1: who's kind of like this polarizing media guy who's always

921
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: him and Kyle are always getting into it. So why

922
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: do you think the majority ash Shanny and company a

923
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: bunch of softball shit during the pressers. I think here's

924
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: the thing. The West Coast is not like Philadelphia or

925
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: New York or New England, where you go to every

926
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: press conference and it is a war zone. That is what,

927
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: not just the expectation, but that's what the consumer wants.

928
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: Getting into it constantly with Kyle or McVeigh or Phil

929
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: Jackson or Steve Kerr. It's just not the vibe out West,

930
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: never has been and it never will be. It doesn't

931
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: mean that there aren't tense situations that arise and there

932
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: aren't individuals who will do it. You know, Kawakami got

933
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: into it at the final press conference because he asked Kyle,

934
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: and he's buddies with Kyle about the special teams and

935
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: John and Kyle got so defensive about how they care

936
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 1: about special teams. It's like, guys, just because you draft

937
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: a kicker in the third round doesn't mean that you

938
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 1: care about special teams. We all go to practice, Kyle,

939
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: we know that you don't watch any of the special

940
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: team shit. I don't blame you. It's boring, but you're

941
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 1: the head coach and then the special teams always sucks

942
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, we drafted a kicker, I we

943
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: put Deebo back there. Well great. It's not just about

944
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: putting players. It's about effort, right, how much effort do

945
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: you put into special teams? You like you just stand

946
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: there and like hold them accountable or are you off

947
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: fucking playing catch with Ayuk on the other side of

948
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: the field. Bullshit. So I just think that, yeah, I

949
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: mean you try. They just they're not used to it

950
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: on the West Coast, you know. Sometimes on the East

951
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: Coast too, like they'll like, okay, let's spar let's get

952
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: into it. Like the West Coast they'll just like kind

953
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: of shut you down. It's just not even as fun.

954
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: And I just really listen, having been in radio for

955
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: a long time, the West Coast consumer will not consume negativity.

956
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: They just won't like they will in Philly, in Washington,

957
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: in Detroit, in New York and Boston, like they kind

958
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: of year informed. The moment those teams start losing, the

959
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: ratings go way down, right, Like, obviously, if your team

960
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: wins Super Bowl, that's the best you can do. But

961
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: like in some places, if your team is awful, it

962
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: can be pretty good for business because the consumer kind

963
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: of likes it. That's not really in the West Coast

964
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,479
Speaker 1: at all. It's like, yeah, I'm gonna go play golf,

965
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to beach. I'm just gonna go outside.

966
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: It's December and it's seventy five degrees, So I think

967
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: that plays a part in it as well. I'm from Winners, California,

968
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: No right where that is born and raised, right down

969
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: the street former sax State Hornet. There's been a lot

970
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 1: of talk about sax State moving into the PAC twelve

971
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: with the new stadium, nil money and coaching changes. You

972
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: got any insight into this, I don't understand the PAC

973
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: twelve's dead so they can keep the name Oregon State

974
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: in Washington State. I know you guys got a lot

975
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: of pride, but adding Fresno State, San Diego State, Boise State.

976
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 1: You're just the Mountain West calling yourself the PAC twelve.

977
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: So SAX State. If you're Sax State and you can

978
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: essentially get into the Mountain West, you do that in

979
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 1: a heartbeat. I don't know anything about like your nil money.

980
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: I know Chefter put out that they had fifty million dollars,

981
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: but the PAC twelve does not exist. They can call

982
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 1: themselves that. You're not the PAC twelve. You're the Mountain

983
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: West with Oregon State in Washington State. Which it sucks

984
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: for you guys. You guys kind of got screwed because

985
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: you guys did care about all this stuff. But big picture,

986
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: you probably belonged playing Fresno State and Boise State in

987
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: San Diego State. That probably feels right. Honestly, no, it

988
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: does feel right, But you're not the PAC twelve. In

989
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: this notion too, that the PAC twelve would get a

990
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: bigger television deal than the Mountain West, it's the same thing.

991
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 1: Part of the reason that you would get a big

992
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 1: deal with the PAC twelve is that you had Oregon

993
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: and sc and Arizona. Well, those teams are gone if

994
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck never retired, So if your sack state all

995
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: four it I would get I would be fired up

996
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: if I got involved with them. If Andrew Luckett never retired,

997
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: would he be neck and neck with Mahomes or would

998
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 1: he be at the top of Tier two with Allen

999
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: Jackson in Burrow or would he be somewhere else? Uh?

1000
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know this Again, this is what

1001
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: makes sports the fun great hypothetical. I think Andrew luck

1002
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: was every bit as good as these guys are listening, Like,

1003
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: I think he if he was with the team that

1004
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: could build a team that he could have won a

1005
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: super Bowl? Now would he have won three Super Bowls?

1006
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: So would he be with Mahomes? Probably not, But I

1007
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: would say that he was every bit as good. I

1008
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: mean Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen. I mean these are

1009
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,439
Speaker 1: like MVPs, Like that's what he was. And listen tier two,

1010
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: Like those guys aren't Tier two quarterbacks. They're on Tier

1011
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: two teams, but like they are like all time great quarterbacks.

1012
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 1: I mean all time. Lamar Jackson's the most dynamic player

1013
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: we've ever seen passing and running right. Cam Newton's the

1014
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: most physical runner. I would say Steve Young is the

1015
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: best passing runner, ever, Michael Vick probably like one of

1016
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: the great all time talents, all around talents. I think

1017
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: Lamar is the best player. It took Steve Young a

1018
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 1: long time to win Super Bowl. I think Josh Allen's

1019
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: like the modern day Lway. I think Lamarge. I think

1020
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: Josh or excuse me, Andrew was those guys. I mean

1021
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: he was fucking awesome. Not a question for the mailbag,

1022
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: But you talked about Tom's Thumb Barbecue. You and Maria

1023
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: have to go check out Little Miss Barbecue. It's the

1024
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: best in Arizona. You have to get there at like

1025
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: two hours before opening because of how fast they sell out.

1026
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: It's a must. I love food. I'm gonna try to

1027
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: fast a little bit this week, see if I can lose

1028
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,919
Speaker 1: about five pounds for the wedding. But I love to eat.

1029
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: I love to eat more than the size of my body.

1030
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: I mean I can eat for like a six five,

1031
00:57:55,360 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: three hundred pound guy. I'm five ten buck ninety. But

1032
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: if your restaurant is telling me to get there two

1033
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: hours before they even open, it's one of those like

1034
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: maybe in college, and listen, I'm sure that food is remarkable.

1035
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: You're just not getting me there. As a consumer, and

1036
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, which clearly means you I had great

1037
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: products sells out. But like if I got to stand

1038
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: in line outside, like it's Duke basketball playing North Carolina

1039
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: the day before and I gotta wait for tickets, I'm

1040
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,919
Speaker 1: just I'm not gonna attend the event, just like I'm

1041
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: not gonna eat the barbecue, so if I gotta wait,

1042
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: I'm just being completely honest here. I'm not gonna eat

1043
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: the brisket sandwich. It's not because I don't love brisket sandwiches.

1044
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: I love them. For whatever reason. Maria hates brisket. She's

1045
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: like or burnt ends it kind of bothers me. It's like,

1046
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna how do you not like this? But

1047
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: she doesn't question for the pod, Do the bills pay

1048
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: Cook the fifteen million he wants or better off going

1049
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: with their young running back room Davis and Johnson. Cook's

1050
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: pretty good man. I would have a hard time not

1051
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: paying him. I think they pay him. I think they

1052
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: pay him. Here's the other thing. Fifteen million dollars a year.

1053
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: Is that really that much money? I actually think it's

1054
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: a pretty good deal. You have mentioned people that have

1055
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: helped advance your career. You mentioned on your last show

1056
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: that you will be out of pocket a little bit

1057
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: with your wedding around the combine curious, have you ever

1058
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: had any thoughts about your intern or anyone else covering

1059
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: an episode or two while you were gone, just like

1060
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Speaker 1: Colin does for his show. I have the operation, I

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00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: would say over the next my goal over the next

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00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty four months is to vastly expand the

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00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: operation that way. I mean, that's a huge reason we

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Speaker 1: have brought Jackson on a meeting with Jackson here sometime soon,

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00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: I would say. The one thing with the podcast, like,

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00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: even if I'm going to the wedding, I can still

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01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: record my podcast from wherever I'm at. The one downside

1068
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: to the business I'm in currently, which is incredible and

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01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: I'm very grateful and I wouldn't change it for anything.

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Speaker 1: I'm you do kind of hit the nail on the head,

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01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: like this is not one of those businesses that I

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01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: just take a week off. If I don't bring my

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01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: shit with me and record, like nothing happens unless I

1074
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: pre record some stuff like interviews, So that that is

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01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: something like big picture I've definitely thought about. You don't

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01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: want to. I'm not in the business of not doing

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01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: anything for a long time, so basically anyone that's been

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01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: listening for over a year, and I was like the summer,

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01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm still recording shit, which again, I like doing this.

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01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: I mean, this is my job, this is what I

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01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: enjoy doing, is what I'm pretty good at doing. But ideally,

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01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: sometimes maybe it would be nice to just completely tune

1083
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: out and let someone do it. Now. The problem is

1084
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: like next week at the wedding, like free agency starting,

1085
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: There's stuff I want to talk about when it happens.

1086
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: This is not middle of July when nothing is going on.

1087
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: So like, if so and so, let's say Miles Garrett

1088
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: gets traded, I want to have a take. And I

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01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: think that's one of the powerful things of the business

1090
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: I'm in, Like I can just record it from my

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01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: hotel room and then my entire you know, plane ticket

1092
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: there is a write off because business middlecoff LLC writes

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01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: it off. You know, it's all kind of interconnected. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean there are I've had ideas and notes about

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01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: kind of where we want to head in what the

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01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: potential is. But as of right now, if there's a

1097
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: podcast on this feed, it's going to be me and listen.

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01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: I haven't been doing this long enough to like, if

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01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: you tune into this, this is not your tuning into

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01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: ESPN or even Fox Sports one, and like there is

1101
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: programming like this program comes when I record a podcast

1102
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: and you seek it out. So I really value that

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01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: I'm not in a position where this is I'm not

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01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: coward of Dan Patrick where it's like, let's get someone

1105
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: to fill in for your show. It's not really the

1106
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: business I'm in. You know, I'm a podcaster and the

1107
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: podcast is me. I could be wrong, but I'm just

1108
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: gonna use him as an example. Like if Joe Rogan,

1109
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: like no one fills in for Joe Rogan, no one

1110
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: fills in like a big cat and pft, don't do

1111
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: a show like other people aren't filling in for them.

1112
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: So we're kind of our industry is a little different

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01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: than historically it used to be. Like I when I

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01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: was in radio, I took two weeks off. Someone fill

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01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: in and take my spot. But that's because every day

1116
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: at ten o'clock, like, there's gonna be a show. So

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01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: if I'm not doing it, someone has to do it.

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01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: So if like there's just not a show next Fridays,

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01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: because like, I'm getting married, right whatever, So it's a

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Speaker 1: little different that way. Okay, Green Bay fan here, my

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01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: question relates to the Packers stunner. When I look at

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01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: the Packers on paper, they seem fairly well constructed balanced Statistically,

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01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: all phases of our team O line, D line, pass run,

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01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: secondary turnovers land between fourth and twelve, and our overall

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Speaker 1: performance through the season and the seventh seed seem to

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Speaker 1: align with that data. I agree, can we or any

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01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: other team really make a Super Bowl run without having

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Speaker 1: one or two truly elite elements to their team. It

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01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: feels like the best gms like Howie aim for a

1130
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: aim for and pay elite, high ceiling players, and he's

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01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: willing to take risks on rookies and lower paid free

1132
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: agents that will fill out the roster. Well, you guys

1133
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 1: have always done that, Like you guys have always you know,

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01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: Zach Bond, Mackai Beckton, Like you guys have hit on

1135
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: a lot of players like that over the years. I

1136
01:03:55,440 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: mean Charles Woodson, if I remember correctly, he was his

1137
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: market wasn't exactly robust when you guys signed him, and

1138
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: he left the Raiders. So and I'm not comparing, you know,

1139
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: Charles Woods is a Hall of Famer to Zack Bond,

1140
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 1: who's you know, had one Hall of Fame level season.

1141
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: But my point is, like you guys have hit on that.

1142
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: You took a pretty big swing on Josh Jacobs that

1143
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: that worked. I think the part of the problem for

1144
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: you guys was Jordan Love was very hit or miss

1145
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: throughout the season, and your passing game obviously towards the

1146
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: end with the injuries, and it's uh, you know, I

1147
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: would say polarizing might be the wrong way to put it.

1148
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: But you know, your wide receiver group, while very talented,

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01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: when you guys were really good, I know you didn't

1150
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: win more Super Bowls, but like after you won the

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01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: Super Bowl with Rogers, then you had that stretch where

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01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: you were just in a bunch of conference championship games

1153
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: and competing, you had a specific, like a clear number

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01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: one guy. I do think as a you need a

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01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: clear number one an alphaz wide receiver, and that was Jordy,

1156
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: and then it was Driver early on than Jordy, and

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01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: then obviously DeVante. And I think with the Eagles, like

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01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: it's a j Brown, right with the Bengals, it's Jamar Chase.

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01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: For a long time it was Tyreek Hill and then

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01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 1: it became Travis Kelcey. I think that you know, the

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01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: hierarchy of an offense, it's pretty rare, even with the

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Speaker 1: forty nine ers couple years ago, like it was Christian McCaffrey,

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Speaker 1: and this year it's like, well, who's you know? Jacob's

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Speaker 1: in that playoff game was trying to will you guys

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Speaker 1: to a victory. So I think you gotta find some

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01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: hierarchy with the wide receivers. And maybe it's just a

1167
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: natural it'll play itself out. Maybe you'll sign DeVante back.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think you know your passing

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Speaker 1: game because your defense actually is a lot better. It's

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Speaker 1: just offensively. I think I was expecting that last eight

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01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: games of Jordan Love this year, and he got banged up,

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Speaker 1: and it just it never felt really aligned. Yeah, I

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01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: mean you had moments, but how many games too, were

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01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: you guys down big and came storm and back? The

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01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: Lions game was a bad loss, Vikings game, you got

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01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: at your ass kicked. What was your guys? I think

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Speaker 1: the part of the problem with the Packers last year

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Speaker 1: was what was their divisional record? I don't think it

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01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: was very good. The Green Bay Packers were one in

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Speaker 1: five in the division, one and five. That's pretty bad, man,

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01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 1: that's really bad. That's embarrassing, especially because, like the Lions

1182
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 1: in Minnesota were two of the better teams of the conference. Listen,

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01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: lose the Bears. I know they hadn't lost it. You're

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01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: allowed to lose a random game in division every once

1185
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 1: in a while, but like to get swept by the

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Speaker 1: Vikings and the Lions like that, that's a big kick

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Speaker 1: in the nuts. So to me, like for you guys

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Speaker 1: to be good, I mean, think about this. You were

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Speaker 1: eleven and six and win one in five in the division.

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01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: That's pretty crazy. Like the Washington Commanders twelve and five.

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01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: They were four and two, the Vikings four and two,

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01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 1: the Rams four and two, the Bucks four and two,

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01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: Eagles five and one, and the Lions didn't lose a game.

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Speaker 1: I think when you look at all these playoff teams,

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Speaker 1: how they did in their division, you guys were by

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Speaker 1: far the worst. Chiefs five and one, and they threw

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Speaker 1: a game, Bills five and one, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: they tried their last game. Ravens four and two, the

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Speaker 1: Texans five and one. It's pretty crazy. Even the Steelers

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Speaker 1: and the Broncos who were the six and seven seeds

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01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: that were ten and seven were three and three, three

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01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: and three. Pretty nuts that you went one and five.

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01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: I can't imagine there are many playoff teams. I need

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01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: someone to run like a statistical analysis. There has to

1205
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: be a very short list of playoff teams. Now that

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01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: we got seven seeds. That's probably changed the last couple

1207
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: of years. But I would say the last twenty years,

1208
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: team that won one division game has never made the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Do you think wide receivers could end up being in

1210
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 1: the same boat as running backs, especially with so many

1211
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: talented guys come in the league every year, or do

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01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:21,679
Speaker 1: you think the longer careers and importance on the passing

1213
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 1: game will keep wide receivers from seeing the same dipping salary.

1214
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: Coward has the funny theory about the whole backward hat thing.

1215
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:30,759
Speaker 1: Do you have any takes on NFL trends or player

1216
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 1: habits that you think are a little overrated or just funny?

1217
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: I see by pushback on the backward hats thing. I

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01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: think it's a generational thing. I mean for a long

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01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:50,719
Speaker 1: period of time. You know, most successful people all kind

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Speaker 1: of dressed the same. Right when you just thought of

1221
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 1: someone successful, you thought like a sports coat tucked in shirt. Well,

1222
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 1: the richest people in the world, we're like a sweatshirt

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01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 1: and jeans to work. That kind of threw everything for

1224
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: a loop, Like look at what Mark Zuckerberg wears, even

1225
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Speaker 1: Bezos who's now on you know, who knows testosterone hormones

1226
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: and everything pumping through his body, which I appreciate, but

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01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: in the peak of his powers as a nerd, like

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01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 1: look like geeky, you know, in terms of the clothes

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01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 1: he wears, like what you wear now. Obviously, if you're

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01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 1: meeting certain people, there is a time and a place

1231
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:35,879
Speaker 1: to put on something nice. But I think the backward

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01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 1: hats thing, and you know Colin, like I would disagree

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, like even if behind you and

1234
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: his whole thing, like the corporate sponsors like JP Morgan Chase,

1235
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: do you think they really care if Tom Brady has

1236
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: a backward or forward hat his net worths like five

1237
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. I just don't think it matters at all.

1238
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:57,600
Speaker 1: And I'm someone that doesn't have hair and wears a

1239
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 1: hat most days, But I I just I think there

1240
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: are things that used to matter that like still like

1241
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: when you interact with someone, looking them in the eye,

1242
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: shaking their hand, like that still matters. But what you're

1243
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: actually wearing. Obviously you want to wear clothes. But if

1244
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 1: you went to a business meeting and you are the

1245
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 1: guy with all the money and you are shorts and

1246
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: a T shirt, do you think anyone gives a flying fuck?

1247
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: You know? And I think forever that was always kind

1248
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: of frowned upon. And listen, I have a different background

1249
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 1: because like I grew up around farmers and some of

1250
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 1: these farmers had a lot of cash, and like we're

1251
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: dirty jeans and a polo shirt. And I mean these

1252
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: guys now, I mean, you know, I know of people

1253
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 1: in the valley. I mean these guys ain't flying commercial,

1254
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 1: like they own their own jet and the hangar. So

1255
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 1: it's like, I just think that we overvalue things and

1256
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: things change. So it's like I mean, once upon a time,

1257
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: listen and listen, there are fashion elements that you see

1258
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 1: guys that I would say, like, fuck, what the hell

1259
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: is this guy wearing? But I guess things change. Getting

1260
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 1: ready for the combine question, obviously, players that a power

1261
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 1: for program and a select few group of five. Do

1262
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:18,959
Speaker 1: I even answer your question wide receivers. I think eventually

1263
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 1: someone just has to say no, Like I'm not paying

1264
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 1: you forty million dollars. Now, I wouldn't say that's a

1265
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. I think Jamar Chase is one of the

1266
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: best players in the league. But I think the forty

1267
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,799
Speaker 1: nine ers made a big mistake last year with Brandon Nyuk.

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Speaker 1: I hated that. I just thought that they kind of

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01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: got played. He won, like they negotiated and he dominated

1270
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: them and they got punked. You know, at least Debo

1271
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:45,799
Speaker 1: literally carried them to a championship when you know Debo

1272
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: won the negotiation as well. But like, hey, listen, we

1273
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't even have made the playoffs, let alone got to

1274
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 1: where we got. Like we row you like Secretariat, Like

1275
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 1: Brandon Aro, he cost seventy five balls, good player. I'm

1276
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,560
Speaker 1: paying thirty million dollars for seventy five catches was insane.

1277
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: So to me, I got no problem paying elite's elite money.

1278
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 1: See this all the time in the NBA. Like I

1279
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: will pay Steph Curry, I'll pay Lebron James, I'll play Jokic.

1280
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,679
Speaker 1: Unlike Nico I'd play Luca. I'd pay the top seven

1281
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,560
Speaker 1: eight guys who are true max guys. But when you

1282
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: start maxing out like player twenty three, like you deserve

1283
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:25,640
Speaker 1: to lose. So it's like, who am I paying and

1284
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: what am I paying them? Are they super elite? Because

1285
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 1: there's a big difference to me between aj Brown and

1286
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 1: I don't know some of these other cats. Obviously, players

1287
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: that have Power four and a select group of Power

1288
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 1: five schools get a good look with lots of exposure

1289
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 1: throughout the year. But I'm a small school guy and

1290
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: follow the FCS closely. With the talent at the higher levels,

1291
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: not a lot of players get a chance to go

1292
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl, were invited to the Combine, even

1293
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 1: though there are quite a few that make big impact

1294
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 1: later in the league. What kind of intention does an

1295
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: NFL team give to lower levels and how are they

1296
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: evaluated to compare to the top level players. I think

1297
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 1: if you're a really good player at North Dakota State,

1298
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:14,759
Speaker 1: at Montana, you know at the Big South Dakota State

1299
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 1: they are going to the Senior Bowl. You know those

1300
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 1: programs have had enough guys drafted that if they are

1301
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: good enough, every team in the league is going through

1302
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: these programs. Now, if you are at cal Pawly or

1303
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: UC Davis, I'm just using I know the West Coast

1304
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: school FCS programs better and you aren't making it to

1305
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,759
Speaker 1: the playoffs and you're like still have some NFL qualities

1306
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: like it, Yeah, you're probably not getting invited to an

1307
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 1: All Star Game. It's going to be more difficult. And

1308
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 1: if it's the same as like being at like a

1309
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 1: bad Division I program like San Diego State, you're gonna

1310
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 1: get more looks. And historically it's proven to be true.

1311
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 1: Are there gonna be outliers? Yeah, But if I'm a GM, like,

1312
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 1: I'm okay with missing on the dude, I'm not gonna

1313
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 1: miss on the guy from South dakot To State. I'm

1314
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 1: not going to miss on the guy from North Kota

1315
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 1: State if he's gonna get drafted in the third or

1316
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: fourth round. But like the undrafted free agent that might

1317
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: make a team from UC Davis, Like, I only have

1318
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: so much bandwidth to worry about that guy. I need

1319
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: to get the fourth round er. I need to get

1320
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 1: Dallas Godder right, I need to get Carson Wentz right,

1321
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: I need to get Cooper Rush. Like a guy we're

1322
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: gonna draft. Obviously those guys were high draft picks, but

1323
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 1: any draft pick, so I yeah, they get discriminated against,

1324
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:29,839
Speaker 1: and rightfully so, history would say their chances or success

1325
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: are much smaller. A question for the mailbag. I'm a

1326
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 1: longtime Packer fan and was just watching the mail bag

1327
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:37,719
Speaker 1: and you were talking about how the Packers will be fine,

1328
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 1: and I also agree we always will be in the hunt.

1329
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: But I feel like they need a big splash. I

1330
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: like Goot he says, I love Goot as the GM,

1331
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 1: and he makes an insane amount of good late round picks,

1332
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 1: and last free agency picked up guys like McKinney and

1333
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs. My one concern is that we always seem

1334
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 1: to miss in the first round. Morgan last year injured,

1335
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 1: like you didn't miss if a guy got hurt, I mean,

1336
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: and he might be good, he might not be time

1337
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 1: will tell. I think he's an Arizona tackle, but he's

1338
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 1: not a bust. Lucas fans has been a huge bust.

1339
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: Like that was like that. Here's the one pushback I'd

1340
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 1: have against Packers drafting philosophy. They are addicted, I would

1341
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 1: say more than any other team. That's good like a

1342
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: lot of Like look at Andy Reid. They don't have

1343
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: high wight speed requirements. If you can play, they're gonna

1344
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,600
Speaker 1: be interested. Like there are some teams that would not

1345
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 1: mess with Xavier Worthy definitely as high as they took them.

1346
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: Like a smaller player, right, just not he's like this

1347
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 1: guy I want him right and obviously he has a

1348
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: history with DeShawn Jackson, Tyreek Hill, like smaller speed guys.

1349
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 1: But Luke van s and correct me if I'm wrong.

1350
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 1: Never started in college, never started a game at Iowa. Definitely,

1351
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 1: his whatever year his draft year was, was not a starter.

1352
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: I just don't think that's good business. You're gonna take

1353
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: a guy in the first round because he has a

1354
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 1: lot of sweet measurables and he was a big time

1355
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 1: athletic freak. They couldn't start at Iowa. Well, what's Iowa?

1356
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 1: A really good defensive program. We can make fun of

1357
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:15,680
Speaker 1: offense all we want, and they're technically or you know,

1358
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, by the numbers have been pretty poor over

1359
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: the last you know, which is ironic because they've had

1360
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 1: some of the best tight ends in the NFL. George Kittle,

1361
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: who actually kind of underachieved in college, Laporta. I mean

1362
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 1: they have studs everywhere, but in their running back this

1363
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: year is actually really good. Like they actually produce offensive

1364
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: skill guys, but the offense as a whole isn't good.

1365
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: Their defense is Cooper Degene. I mean, they produced dudes,

1366
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 1: but the guy's not gonna start and you're gonna take

1367
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: him in the first round, Like that's kind of overthinking.

1368
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 1: And he I haven't seen Gooda Kins ever talk about this,

1369
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:55,679
Speaker 1: but I think over over a couple of cold beers here,

1370
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 1: he'd be the first to tell you that was stupid.

1371
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 1: That was stupid. But organizationally, that's kind of They do

1372
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff like that and sometimes it works.

1373
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 1: You know, Christian Watson, I know he tores ACL but

1374
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: like a lot of people thought they were nuts for

1375
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 1: taking that pick high weight speed guy. Well actually when

1376
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: he's on the feel, he's pretty fucking good. But he started.

1377
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 1: You know, you don't start in college. If I'm the Packers,

1378
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 1: I can't draft you. So listen, I think I'm with you.

1379
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 1: You guys aren't going away. You're gonna be a playoff team.

1380
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: You're probably not gonna go one and five in the

1381
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:32,839
Speaker 1: division again. But like if Max Crosby, Micah Parsons, Miles Garrett,

1382
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 1: Like you should be one of the teams offering the most.

1383
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 1: Can we get you for two ones in a two?

1384
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 1: Like it's time to take a big swing. You know,

1385
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 1: the last time the Packers non quarterback took an enormous

1386
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 1: swing was in free agency when they signed Reggie White

1387
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: and that worked out pretty well. What do you make

1388
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: of the Brandon Staley hire as a Saints DC. I

1389
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,759
Speaker 1: find it weird that Moore was an assistant to Staley

1390
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 1: less than two years ago, and now the rules are first.

1391
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 1: On top of that, Staley's defense was bad when Moore

1392
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 1: was in LA and it was This is just kind

1393
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 1: of how football works sometimes. You know, Brandon Staley took

1394
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: care of Kellen when Mike fired him, and now he's

1395
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 1: taken care of brand Stay now. I think Kellen Moore

1396
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 1: is good at his job. I think he's a good

1397
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator and a very very smart guy. I would

1398
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:23,720
Speaker 1: hire Kellen Moore to be my offensive coordinator and you

1399
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 1: never know what the head coach, but totally understand why

1400
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 1: the Saints hired him. I'm not a Brand Staley guy.

1401
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 1: I think he's just full of shit. I think he's

1402
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 1: like the Gavin Newsom of the NFL. I would not

1403
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 1: hire him as my defensive coordinator under any circumstances. He

1404
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 1: wasn't a good defensive coordinator in with the Chargers. His

1405
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 1: one year with the Rams to me like little fraudulent

1406
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Every defensive coordinator is pretty good with the Rams,

1407
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 1: So I disagree with Kellen on that one. I just

1408
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't want that guy to be one. I wouldn't even

1409
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:00,600
Speaker 1: want him my building. I think he's one of the

1410
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:04,679
Speaker 1: biggest frauds going. I really do. And the more stories

1411
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 1: I hear about him, it's like from a football standpoint,

1412
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about his you know, other off outside

1413
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: of the building. I'm just saying from a football standpoint,

1414
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 1: I think somehow this guy has finagled himself, and it's like,

1415
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 1: what are we talking about? But I don't know. A

1416
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: question for the Mailbank. I know you're not a big

1417
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 1: hockey fan, but what were your thoughts on the Four

1418
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 1: Nations NHL tournament? Hockey is obviously huge up here, so

1419
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:34,680
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see if big events will grow in

1420
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 1: the US and increase your personal interest in the sport.

1421
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 1: I loved it. I mean I was, I would say,

1422
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 1: like the other ten million people glued to my television

1423
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: in that final, and I think I found I didn't

1424
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 1: even know the thing existed, so until I saw on

1425
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 1: social media that they had booed the anthem. So I

1426
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: clicked over and the fights had just happened, and then

1427
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 1: I clearly saw that there were They started showing the

1428
01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 1: replays of the three fights in ten seconds, and that

1429
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 1: game was incredible. Did McDavid score first and America was

1430
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 1: down and then we came back and we won. And

1431
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 1: anytime America wins in hockey against Canada, like back in

1432
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 1: the day against Russia, it feels like a massive upset

1433
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 1: because it does not feel like we are remotely as

1434
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 1: good as these guys. Now we're tough, you could argue

1435
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 1: we're tougher, but like we don't have mcjesus flying around

1436
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 1: like Wayne Gretzky ain't walking through that door. So it's

1437
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 1: it's cool to watch. It feels it's the version what

1438
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,600
Speaker 1: I think we've always wanted out of soccer, Like we

1439
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:37,520
Speaker 1: understand we're not as good as everybody else, like completely

1440
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 1: understand that, and we're never gonna win the World Cup.

1441
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 1: But can there ever just be a moment where it's

1442
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: like we upset Brazil and we're going to the Final

1443
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 1: four like that. That just never, It's never gonna happen.

1444
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:52,600
Speaker 1: And I am totally cool with acknowledging. Like my expectations

1445
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: whenever one of these World Cup happens in soccer, I'm stunned.

1446
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 1: If we make it out of the group, stunned, and

1447
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 1: my expectations don't exist. But sometimes hockey, like Damn Kad

1448
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 1: Chuck brothers are kicking ass and taking names. These guys

1449
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 1: are just kind of brawling and it's like, can we

1450
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:14,719
Speaker 1: take down with Jesus and Crosby. It just it was fantastic. Honestly,

1451
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 1: it was at their All Star Game. I don't even

1452
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: know that much about it besides that they create four teams.

1453
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 1: They just played each other and it just turned out

1454
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 1: we played Canada twice and the games were riveting. I mean,

1455
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 1: it was just it was just fantastic television. Ultimately, all

1456
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 1: this stuff, all these sports leagues, just like all these podcasts,

1457
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 1: we're all in the entertainment business, and that was elite entertainment.

1458
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 1: You know. I grew up watching the NBA All Star

1459
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 1: Game and the three point contest and the dunk contest.

1460
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 1: It used to be fantastic entertainment. It no longer is

1461
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 1: so what happens? We don't watch historic lows? Why it's

1462
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 1: not entertaining? Now? Hockey struggles here. I think ratings are down.

1463
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 1: Is like the NBA, so regular season hockey? Just I

1464
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 1: guess to the casual fan, isn't that entertaining? And I'm

1465
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 1: guilty I don't watch? But that was great And this

1466
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 1: isn't a complicated formula. When people really care, when the

1467
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 1: effort is really high, we will watch. It will be entertained.

1468
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty simple. As an outsider looking in,

1469
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 1: is it crazy to say that the Bengals should have

1470
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: paid t Higgins and moved on from Jamar Chase for

1471
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:28,919
Speaker 1: three first round picks. Burro is the type to elevate

1472
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 1: his wide receivers, and lord knows he needs those picks.

1473
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: I would be the opposite. I just pay Chase. Do

1474
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 1: you understand how good Jamar Chase is? And I'm not.

1475
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 1: You know me, I'm pro like five or six wide receivers.

1476
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,879
Speaker 1: Other than that, like, I'd have no problem. T Higgins

1477
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 1: is a replaceable player and he's good, like I'm not anti.

1478
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: Ti Higgins a good player, one of them on my team.

1479
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 1: But I'm not paying him thirty million dollars when I

1480
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 1: also got Jamar Chase, so I'm gonna pay forty million dollars.

1481
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 1: So I'm gona have two guys making seventy million dollars.

1482
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 1: But Jamar Chase is a domin the dominant force. Like dominant,

1483
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 1: I mean Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Calvin John Like he's

1484
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 1: a Unlarry Fitzgerald, an unstoppable player. We saw him all year.

1485
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 1: I mean, just kicking the shit out of everybody, running

1486
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 1: by guys, breaking tackles, doing it all. And he's a

1487
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 1: winning player. T Higgins a winning player too, But I

1488
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: gotta make like when I look at it all, I

1489
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 1: gotta take care of Jamar. I'd like to keep my

1490
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 1: pass rusher. I gotta let Higgins go. I should be

1491
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,679
Speaker 1: able to find another Higgins in the second round. Another

1492
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 1: Bengals fan. Massive Bengals fan, and have been my whole life.

1493
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 1: Our family used to have season tickets to the Kitten

1494
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 1: the Palmer years. Talk about heartbreak. I wasn't around in

1495
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 1: the eighties, but I think the Bengals team the past

1496
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: four or five years has been the best version in

1497
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 1: franchise history. I get there kind of a poverty franchise

1498
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 1: and structure contracts in an outdated way with no guarantee

1499
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 1: salary past the first year. I didn't even know that.

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01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 1: But I don't subscribe to the whole idea that they

1501
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 1: can't afford Jamar t Trey. And with the cap going

1502
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 1: up more than thirty mili this year, they can easily

1503
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 1: do it. It would be one thing if they had

1504
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 1: a bunch of good players on defense and had note

1505
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 1: to sign a bunch of those guys, but they don't.

1506
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 1: I think two things can be true. Could they, like,

1507
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:19,679
Speaker 1: do they have the money in bank accounts and through

1508
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:22,640
Speaker 1: cash flow to sign all these guys? Yes? Can they

1509
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:26,719
Speaker 1: make it work? If you and I ran the team

1510
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 1: and we love the Bengals like we were Mike Brown

1511
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 1: and the Bengals like listen, we talked about the Brown family.

1512
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 1: No one disputes that they don't really love the Bengals.

1513
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 1: The Cincinnati Bengals mean as much of them as they

1514
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 1: would do any fan that loves the Bengals. Here's the thing.

1515
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:48,839
Speaker 1: Is it good business to pay both those wide receivers

1516
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,759
Speaker 1: top of the market? Obviously, Jamar would break the record.

1517
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 1: But to Higgins is while he wouldn't get more than

1518
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase would get a lot based on the second

1519
01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 1: tier guys last year, he's looking at brand he's like

1520
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 1: getting more than that. So I don't think so. I listen,

1521
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 1: it's kind of complicated, like I tag and trade him.

1522
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:15,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he had seventy three catches last year for

1523
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 1: ten touchdowns. Brandon Ayuke had like a career year for

1524
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:21,839
Speaker 1: seventy five. Yeah, I think there's a lot of parallels

1525
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:24,679
Speaker 1: here with Brandon Aiyuk and now you've just got seventy

1526
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:28,599
Speaker 1: five million dollars and thirty million a year. I would

1527
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 1: keep Jamar Chase, and I would keep Hendrickson, and I

1528
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 1: would try to use Higgins and buy other players, defensive players.

1529
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 1: I just I don't think it's great business doing that.

1530
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 1: And I'm not antii Higgins. I like the guy, and

1531
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 1: I understand why Joe wants to keep him. Likes him,

1532
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 1: wins with him. He's a good player, unique players, tall, playmaker,

1533
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:53,560
Speaker 1: good in the red zone. I don't know, man, I

1534
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 1: think it's I don't think it's the best way to

1535
01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 1: build a team. Say, like, what would Walsh do? What

1536
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 1: would Bill Belichick do? What would the Chiefs do? They

1537
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:10,120
Speaker 1: would not sign everybody? Question for the back, can you

1538
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 1: explain just how hard fucking golf is? Actually, I've read

1539
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 1: that wrong. Can you explain to everybody just how fucking

1540
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:22,680
Speaker 1: hard golf is? Excuse my language, little kids listening. I

1541
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:25,679
Speaker 1: got buddies that say baseball is harder. Baseball is extremely

1542
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 1: different difficult. But if you are a scratch golfer, you

1543
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 1: are still miles away from being on tour. You're literally

1544
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 1: supposed to shoot part. I've played since I was ten.

1545
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:38,599
Speaker 1: I'm thirty two now and once reached a six handicap

1546
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:41,679
Speaker 1: at the peak of my powers. I would say playing

1547
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:46,080
Speaker 1: on tour and playing in Major League Baseball are equally

1548
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 1: stupidly hard. Like it doesn't get like on the scale

1549
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:53,640
Speaker 1: of how hard it's It doesn't get any harder to be.

1550
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 1: You could argue, one of the hardest things, if not

1551
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 1: the hardest thing to do in sports. Just want The

1552
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 1: one individual thing is to be a good hitter. It

1553
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 1: is very, very hard to hit a baseball. Now we're

1554
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 1: not talking professionally, you're just talking pick up, right. Most

1555
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 1: people could just an average athlete if you just played

1556
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 1: some high school sports. I give you a glove, you

1557
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 1: can catch pop flies, you play catch, you could run

1558
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 1: the bases, like you might not be able to hit

1559
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 1: a ball in a fair way. So like casually golf

1560
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:31,759
Speaker 1: is gonna be way harder to play on the PGA

1561
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 1: Tour or to play against the Yankees or the Dodgers.

1562
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 1: I would put them on equal qualifying. It's hard. What

1563
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 1: makes golf difficult to compare is like there's not really

1564
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: there's not pickup baseball. I played golf last week with

1565
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 1: some people and they were telling me stories about, like

1566
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 1: some of the softball leagues around Arizona, because it is

1567
01:27:56,439 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 1: so many guys that retire here that played pro baseball.

1568
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,720
Speaker 1: And one guy forget his name, but had just been

1569
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 1: released from the Diamondbacks. He was still technically making eight

1570
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 1: million dollars a year and had a couple of weeks

1571
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 1: to kill and just went to this pickup league and

1572
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 1: hit a ball that broke a guy's face at third base,

1573
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 1: not the third baseman, but the runner. Pick up. You know,

1574
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:24,800
Speaker 1: beer league softball is not the same as baseball. Well,

1575
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:26,759
Speaker 1: you and I could just go out and play pebble

1576
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 1: beach like Rory did. So golf can It's the one

1577
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 1: sport that can get so much closer to the pro

1578
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:37,880
Speaker 1: game than all the other sports because I can literally

1579
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 1: play the course that Rory and Tiger played. We can

1580
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 1: we can do five on five pickup basketball. But if

1581
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 1: there aren't any good players, like who cares? Now, if

1582
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 1: you play there are nine other you know, former college players,

1583
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 1: then yeah, it's really hard and you're gonna get schooled.

1584
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 1: But I think just playing Beer League softball and just

1585
01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 1: going out to play golf golf is harder, but playing

1586
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 1: pro baseball is extremely difficult. I do stand by that.

1587
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 1: A huge amount of interest here in the NFL. This

1588
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 1: guy is from Australia, super excited for the NFL to return.

1589
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 1: It'll be the first time in twenty seven years. I

1590
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 1: saw Lway Broncos beat the Chargers with a late field

1591
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 1: goal in a preseason game. Wow, good knowledge. Just wanted

1592
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:29,639
Speaker 1: to comment on your musings about the international exposure we've

1593
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:32,599
Speaker 1: had NFL here over the thirty years. The Super Bowl

1594
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 1: is always on free to AIRTV, non cable television and

1595
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 1: Psycho pass. Like myself get up to get up way

1596
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 1: early in the morning on Monday to watch Red Zone

1597
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 1: kickoff for a few hours before work. Can't wait for

1598
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 1: next season in the NFL breaking out in Australia. It's cool.

1599
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 1: We'll glad to have you a part of this great

1600
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 1: game that we call football. Curious on your thoughts on

1601
01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 1: what the forty nine ers do with Jordan Mason. Is

1602
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:00,639
Speaker 1: there a scenario where you think they can keep him

1603
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 1: or is he more likely to be traded along with

1604
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 1: some picks to a team they need for running back,

1605
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 1: say somewhere like Dallas. I don't know why they wouldn't

1606
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 1: just bring him back. I mean, what he's gonna be.

1607
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 1: He came out, let me pull up his wiki, so

1608
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:24,640
Speaker 1: twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, he's just in a

1609
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:27,240
Speaker 1: contract year. I think he's just he's gonna be on

1610
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 1: their team, like he's probably gonna be their backup running back.

1611
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,599
Speaker 1: I don't think I wouldn't give him away. I mean,

1612
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 1: Jordan Mason before he got hurt last year was like

1613
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 1: leading the league in rushing for four or five weeks.

1614
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:40,559
Speaker 1: I would keep him around. I think ideally, best case

1615
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:44,719
Speaker 1: scenario for the Niners. McCaffrey's healthy. He looks like Christian

1616
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 1: McCaffrey and Kyle for the first time in his life,

1617
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 1: gives him some breathers, and Jordan Mason plays a lot

1618
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 1: with Grenda, but I would not count on Kyle giving

1619
01:30:56,439 --> 01:31:00,840
Speaker 1: him breathers. Christian, I know that both your achilles almost

1620
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 1: fell off and you tore your mcl in a snow game,

1621
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:07,559
Speaker 1: but we plan on giving you seven hundred touches this year.

1622
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 1: That's probably what Kyle's thinking. I've just got done watching

1623
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 1: the US first Canada once Canada one. I switched to

1624
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 1: the Phoenix Suns versus the Spurs game. It was a

1625
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 1: five minute break to determine if a simple foul was

1626
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 1: a flagrant. I think the ratings will switch soon if

1627
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 1: you can pare All Star weekends. It isn't close. I've

1628
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 1: been a basketball guy my whole life, but what Adam

1629
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 1: Silver has done is a joke. I think this might

1630
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:35,599
Speaker 1: be a Malcolm Gladwell type tipping point where the poor

1631
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:39,800
Speaker 1: leadership allows hockey to overtake basketball. I do think the

1632
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 1: tipping point has happened, just in a vacuum with basketball,

1633
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 1: the effort, the injuries, it's just the consumers. The consumer

1634
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 1: speaks now when I see all like these political shows

1635
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 1: get canceled, like it's very black and white you're not

1636
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 1: getting enough people to watch. People are not watching, so

1637
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,840
Speaker 1: they cancel your show. You know, basketball, it's like the

1638
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 1: ratings keep diminted. Less people are watching basketball now than

1639
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 1: ten years ago. It's not debatable, like that's that's an

1640
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:11,360
Speaker 1: objective opinion. But hockey once, it's never been highly rated,

1641
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 1: and it's also down. So I think if we compare

1642
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 1: the Four Nations tournament, like it's kind of an outlier, right,

1643
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:23,719
Speaker 1: It's like you can't just go, well, golf's popular because

1644
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 1: a lot of people watch the Masters. Well, yeah, two

1645
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand people watch the Mexico Open. So

1646
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:31,640
Speaker 1: it's like, if everything was the Masters, you'd be in

1647
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 1: good shape. If everything in hockey was the Four Nations Tournament,

1648
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 1: hockey to be big, But it's not like, is anyone

1649
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 1: gonna watch the Kings play the the Las Vegas what's

1650
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:48,200
Speaker 1: the Vegas team? The Aces? That is that? The WNBA team,

1651
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:52,080
Speaker 1: It's the Knights, you know, So if people don't watch

1652
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:56,919
Speaker 1: your regular season product, it's the Four Nations. Pretty unique tournament.

1653
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:01,639
Speaker 1: So I would say that I think the tipping points

1654
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 1: happening with basketball in a vacuum. They have their own

1655
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 1: issues and they're trying to figure it out why Adam

1656
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 1: Silver just created an all star game where young guys

1657
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:14,040
Speaker 1: are playing old guys and it failed miserably from what

1658
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:16,679
Speaker 1: I heard and read and listened to. I didn't watch anything,

1659
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 1: but I was out years ago. Now hockey had the

1660
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,640
Speaker 1: same problem going and they tried something different and it worked.

1661
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:28,280
Speaker 1: But I think both regular seasons like no one's watching, Like,

1662
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 1: are more people going to watch the hockey playoffs? That'll

1663
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:34,679
Speaker 1: be interesting, hope, so I enjoy it. I've been thinking

1664
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:37,760
Speaker 1: about putting like one thousand dollars on a team in

1665
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 1: the West and a thousand dollars on a team in

1666
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 1: the East to win the Stanley Cup. So if you

1667
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:42,840
Speaker 1: like hockey, hit me up with some teams that I

1668
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 1: should be betting on. I know he scored the game

1669
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 1: winning goal, but I do like Connor McDavid. So are

1670
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 1: they good this year? I know they are solid this year,

1671
01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 1: but can they win it? That'd be cool. If I

1672
01:33:56,840 --> 01:33:58,519
Speaker 1: can get them like ten to one, that'd be sweet,

1673
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 1: which is the Kelsey brothers were more impactful on their

1674
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 1: teams over the span of their careers. I believe most

1675
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 1: people would default to Travis since he is the one

1676
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 1: that puts up the stats. However, you could argue the

1677
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:13,559
Speaker 1: best at their perspective positions in the game has ever seen,

1678
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 1: albeit being at low positions of value. Do you think

1679
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 1: they're both first ballot Hall of Famers? Yes, Well, we

1680
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 1: got to learn what the Eagles would look like without

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01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 1: Jason Kelsey. They won the Super Bowl. They had a

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Speaker 1: guy that just ran for including the playoffs, like twenty

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01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 1: five hundred yards. And I'm not taking anything away from Jason.

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01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:36,679
Speaker 1: He's an elite player, but they replaced him pretty easily.

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01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:42,800
Speaker 1: Now it's centers, a replaceable position, you know, and Travis, like,

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01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:44,639
Speaker 1: what are they going to look like on offense when

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01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 1: he's gone? Maybe they'll be better. He hasn't been the same,

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01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 1: you know. Jason went out on top. Jason was still

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01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 1: an elite player. Travis no longer is. But Jason retired.

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01:34:56,479 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 1: They won the Super Bowl. Now you could argue that's

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01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 1: because they have Pro bowlers waiting in the wings. Great

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01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:05,880
Speaker 1: job drafting, but just based on the information we had,

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01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:12,559
Speaker 1: I would say that Travis is more impactful than Jason.

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Speaker 1: NFL is popular here in Colombia. I've been a fan

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01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:19,120
Speaker 1: since ninety five and recently a fan of you and

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01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:22,360
Speaker 1: Colin always listen to your podcast. Question, what is the

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01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 1: best book to learn the sport in a deep manner?

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01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 1: I mean plays, formations, etc. No clue. Never read a

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01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 1: book like that when it comes to football. So I'm

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01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 1: the wrong person ask. I think Belichick's writing a book

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01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:42,680
Speaker 1: right now. I would whenever he puts that out, I

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01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:45,519
Speaker 1: would buy that thing. I think Bill Walsh has some books.

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01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:49,840
Speaker 1: I'm a bad person ask on terms of like schematics.

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01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:54,559
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never read a book like that. Okay,

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01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 1: last question A question for the pot die hard outside

1706
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 1: of here member of the Kaffia. I'm also a product

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01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:04,639
Speaker 1: of Sacramento. I grew up in Sack and lived here

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01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 1: for ten years after some time in the Bay Area.

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01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 1: My question is are teams in front offices using AI

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01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:15,560
Speaker 1: for scouting, analytics or anything related to player or game evaluation.

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01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:20,840
Speaker 1: I'm an analyst at an environmental consultancy and the AI

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01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 1: has been an absolute game changer for me and my work,

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01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:26,759
Speaker 1: and I've been curious to the extent in which football

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01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:30,599
Speaker 1: teams are tapping into the amazing technology. By the way,

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01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 1: what's your favorite golf course in Sacramento. It's a good question.

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01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 1: I would say Ole Masero. It's technically Davis, but one

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01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:44,599
Speaker 1: I played probably by far the most of any course

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01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:50,439
Speaker 1: in northern California. I don't really love Sacramento golf, you know,

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01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:52,720
Speaker 1: hagen Oaks is probably the one that most people have

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01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 1: played the most. Some good golf up toward Tahoe. When

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01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:01,439
Speaker 1: I was in high schoo we played like Nevady Union.

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01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 1: They're up like is it would it be Auburn or

1723
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:07,840
Speaker 1: is it the wrong wrong side kind of that area.

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01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 1: Foothills has some really good golf. Granted, Bay Country Club

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01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:15,040
Speaker 1: is nice. I've played that a couple of years ago.

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01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:20,519
Speaker 1: As of AI, I would be stunned if if some

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01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 1: of these teams in their analytical department, and you know,

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01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:25,600
Speaker 1: kind of the technology department hasn't dabbled in that. But

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01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:30,000
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't speak to that. I would imagine

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01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:35,919
Speaker 1: we're very very early on kind of that level of

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01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:40,879
Speaker 1: utilizing it toward a scouting perspective. But yeah, you convinced

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01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 1: me that there are I would imagine how he has

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01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:47,760
Speaker 1: people already looking at it. Forty nine ers. Surely you

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01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:50,599
Speaker 1: know a heart of Silicon Valley, But is every team

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01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:53,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I appreciate everyone listen, have a

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01:37:53,840 --> 01:38:00,240
Speaker 1: great day and we will talk soon in peace. The

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Speaker 1: volume