WEBVTT - Rhodium Nights w/ Brooke Smith 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.200 Okay, guys, and a little announcement about our tour. We 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:07.280 have some good news and some bad news. The good 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:10.719 news is we will be at Austin, Texas on nine 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:13.720 to twenty seven. We're really excited to do a live 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:16.000 show for you guys at Capcity Comedy Club there, So 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:18.600 if you live in and around Austin, please come see us. 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:23.759 That's messed uplive dot com for tickets. Other good news 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:26.640 is that one of us has had a very fun 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:31.080 professional opportunity pop up and it's awesome and we're going 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:34.600 to talk about it more later. But unfortunately it means 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.159 that we do have to reschedule our Houston and our 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:40.320 Dallas dates. We are working with the club to reschedule 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:42.800 those as soon as possible. I'm sure you're either going 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:44.240 to get refunded or. 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:45.280 Have your tickets. 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:47.640 Well, you'll definitely get refunded if you can't make it 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:50.479 to the new show date, but or your ticket will 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:52.600 be honored at the next show dates. So we will 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:54.880 get you those new show dates as soon as possible. 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:55.480 We're so sorry. 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:57.440 We were so excited to see you guys in Dallas 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:01.000 and Houston, but you know, scheduling stuff happens, and we 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:03.640 are super excited to reschedule. 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:05.000 Them and come to you guys eventually, so we will 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:05.399 let you. 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:08.520 Know of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:09.640 especially watchable. 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.440 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:15.400 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:36.480 stories done done. Hello, It's that's messed up an SVU podcast. 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:37.120 I'm Lie as a. 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:41.560 Tragger and I'm Kara Klank and you guys, hopefully by 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.560 now know what we do. We are just gonna talk 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.560 about an SVU episode, break down the true crime it 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:50.560 was based on, and chat with an amazing guest from 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.080 the show, and then at the beginning we just sort 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.520 of chat and catch up because Lisa has abandoned me 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:59.880 is currently living across the country just to get away 0:01:59.880 --> 0:02:03.080 from for me, honestly, and it hurts. 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:04.200 We are in the time machine. 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:08.079 But today, while you're listening to this is Kara's birthday. 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:10.200 And also I will be. 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:15.040 Seeing you in New York at that weekend, so we're 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:17.440 all over, we're traveling, we're making it. There's a big 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:21.239 surprise actually happening this weekend, so stay tuned for that bitches, 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:23.120 you know what I'm talking about. 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:25.960 Don't tell them what big surprise this weekend? What are 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.880 you talking about? Wait, I'm gonna type it in the chat. 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.560 This is insane that you're not what's the big surprise? 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:32.160 You know? 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:34.079 My mind is made out of what are you talking 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.960 You're gonna feel so stupid when you read it that weekend. Sorry, 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:39.600 I thought you met like this weekend. We're in the 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:40.959 time machine. I'm very confused. 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.400 Okay, listen, but I am coming home. 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:47.760 I will be home tomorrow and uh yeah, I'll come 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:48.480 get my car. 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:52.000 Maybe let's go get breakfast burritos. Okay, yeah, when. 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:57.280 You come get your car, yeahs burritos and one other thing. Oh, 0:02:57.320 --> 0:02:59.760 while we're talking about just like jet setting, I'll just 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:02.360 get it out of the way. I gotta keep plugging. 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:04.600 Our tour, guys, we are going on tour. We're so 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:06.960 excited to see all of you guys. Thank you for 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:08.840 telling us when you buy tickets. It makes me feel 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:10.680 good when every time someone says I just bought a 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:13.359 ticket for X show, it really does lift my spirits. 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:17.440 We're going to be in Austin on September twenty seventh. 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:20.839 We're going to be in Dallas at Improvent Addison on 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:23.919 the twenty eighth, and we're going to be in Houston 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:27.480 on the twenty ninth. So Texas, this is your opportunity 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:29.800 to see us live. Our live shows are so fucking fun. 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:32.119 It's not just a listen I will. I'm not trying 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.800 to shut another podcasts. A lot of podcasts live, it's 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.160 just them and it's sitting on it. I'm just saying 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:39.360 that's fine if that's what you want to do. If 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:41.480 you want to go watch a podcast, just be taped 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:43.880 live and feel like, oh, magically I was in the 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.280 room for that. Wow, how fun amazing. Ours is just 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:50.200 like a little bit different. It's a full show. It's entertaining, 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:53.440 there's visuals, there's clips, there's people coming up on stage 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:56.400 like it's really fun. It's not just like sitting and 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.000 listening to a podcast. So I think it's worth your tend. 0:03:59.600 --> 0:03:59.960 One show. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.600 So I did bring a skeleton hand, and then I've 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.040 forgotten it every show, So stay tuned if I bring 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:06.280 up Oh my God, it's going. 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.160 To be spooky season when we're on the road, you 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:09.920 got to bring that skeleton handback out. 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:10.200 Girl. 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:14.040 I cannot wait for spooky season. Yeah, I cannot wait 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:16.880 like it. I'm gonna get a Halloween tattoo for sure 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:20.919 this year. Okay, great, that's a great idea. Let Rosie 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:21.640 help you pick it out. 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:23.919 She'll be obsessed. Yes, guess what she wants to be 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:27.160 for Halloween? A bat? Oh good? Simple? Easy? 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:27.200 Ye? 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.120 And today, time machine, Today is your birthday as they're 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:34.520 listening today while we record, is the first day of 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:37.000 you know, preschool again for oh. 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:38.680 Yes, Rosie went back to school. 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:41.240 It's not a big thing because she went to the 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.680 summer program in the summer, so she wasn't like she 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.040 doesn't know anything. But she is meeting a new teacher, 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:46.839 so she's excited. 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.520 But you know, well, no, in the little pictures, they 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:50.599 look so much older. 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.159 It's she's so funny, like because I go, okay, do 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.000 a smile. She hates smiling for pictures, but she will 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:56.400 do it for me. And then I go okay, now 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.360 do a goofy one and that's where she really gets. 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:01.280 She really shines, you know. But there were bats on it, 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.440 so she's really into her batmoment. Yeah, Jared drew those 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.760 bats on there for her. Here's the thing she's obsessed 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.400 with the show PJ Masks, there's a character named Catboy. 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.520 She is obsessed with Catboy. He wears a blue outfit obsessed, 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:15.560 but he does not have wings. And so she has 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.479 said she has been introducing herself to people as bat Boy. 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.400 People say what's your name, and she goes Batboy, and 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.120 so it's really like what she thinks bat Boy is 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:26.279 in her head is just Catboy with bat wings. 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:28.760 So we've sort of talked about it, and she keeps saying, 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:29.200 I want. 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.000 To be bat Boy for Halloween, and I keep being like, 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.360 there is no Batboy costume. I guess I could get 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:36.279 her a cat Boy costume, and like, so what about 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:41.239 That's not what she's into. She likes Catboy with wings 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.560 and then bat Boy, and she made it up. 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:47.920 Yeah, buy a normal and put some wings on it. Yeah, 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:49.760 maybe I'll buy a cat Boy and put wings on it. 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:50.200 We'll see. 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.760 We've been looking at Amazon together and some other resources 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:56.640 for Halloween costumes, but we will see what she does, cause. 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:58.920 Yeah, I don't know. I would liked to turn a look. 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.480 I mean I did run in to a celebrity, I 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:05.160 would say, and their girlfriend said that they do a 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.560 giant Halloween party every year and we did follow each 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:10.359 other and they were like, we'll invite you, but it 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.039 was drunk and like in May, so who knows, but 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:14.440 I will be following up. 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.120 But I really hope I get to go to this 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.640 cool person's party. I really hope so too, And I 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:19.960 can't wait for you to tell me who that is. 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.080 But we also did get invited to a wedding together, 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:24.480 which I thought was cute, and we do have to 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.920 say we can't go, but that was fun to have. 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:31.000 Aliza Kara Well, because you know, I've been, there's been. 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:32.599 You know, I'm on the internet a lot. I'm on 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.719 the internet and there is just there's like a lot 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.760 of chats now of like plus ones and who do 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.039 you like bring someone in not? And it's like, yeah, 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.680 why is a boyfriend of one year more valuable if 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:45.280 then you bring your best friend of ten years? 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:45.880 You know what I mean. 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.000 It's like, if you can afford it, I think people 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:49.600 should be able to bring whoever the fuck they want 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:50.080 to the wedding. 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:50.520 Yeah. 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:53.159 I let my friend bring a date to my wedding 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:54.800 who was her friend who I was friends who I 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:56.400 knew too, And was like, yeah, bringer. 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.960 Because you're a girls girl. Yeah. But here's the thing. 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:03.080 I also am not really down with somebody bringing someone 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:04.960 that they're like just hooking up with if I'm paying 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:06.000 like a lot of money for it. 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:08.400 I on Sex and the City that was like so weird. 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:10.920 When Miranda was like, yeah, I'll bring this speed dating 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:12.960 guy will earn it to this wedding, I'm like, itause 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:14.000 your best friend's wedding. 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.800 You want to entertain a strange man. I would so 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:19.920 much rather go alone. I'm going to a wedding alone 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:23.880 in three weeks in Boston. Wait, but can we can 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:25.800 say whose wedding we got invited to together? 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:28.880 We got invited to a really fun couple. 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:34.160 Chelsea Davonta's Chelsea Davantes is a great writer who has 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:35.880 an amazing podcast that les and I have been on 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:39.280 called Celebrity book Club. She is marrying Yaser Lester, an 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:42.840 amazingly funny comic and writer and actor, and their wedding 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.720 is just going to be like I'm actually almost relieved 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:47.120 that I don't have to find an outfit for it, 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:48.840 because I just think the outfits are going to be 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:50.760 so over the top. And oh yeah, so the theme 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.920 of the wedding is try to outdo us. Yeah, so 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:57.040 because they're fashion icons and so their whole thing is 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.400 like try to top us, bitch, And so I think 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:01.560 people will be turning looks. 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:01.920 Like they're over the top. 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:04.520 Like Chelsea makes her own shoes and like adds like 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:06.760 little things to him and shit like that, Like they 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.320 are over the top. And I've been following her, like 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:12.320 on her stories, I've been following her wedding dress selection journey, 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:14.600 and it's I just can't wait to see what the 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:16.720 final product is. And I just was honored that we 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:18.920 were invited and it was hilarious to get anything that 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:20.760 said Karen Clinken Lea's a trigger on the front of 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:23.040 the envelope, like we were invited as a couple. 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:26.040 Yeah, and I loved it, loved it. 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.280 Unfortunately, we're going to be on tour with you guys, 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:30.560 and so we won't be able to go to the 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.320 wedding because we I think we'll be in Alabama. Yeah, 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:35.840 we give up everything for you guys. Yeah, Huntsville, Alabama. 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.280 Come see us. Do people listen to us there? Please 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:41.079 come see us. Oh wait, wait, we're gonna tell me 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.079 about some Twitter thing. Oh. 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:44.400 I was just gonna say because we were going to 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:47.600 talk about Housewives really quickly because the Salt Lake City 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:49.800 trailer just dropped and it's got all this like juicy 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.200 gen Shaw stuff in it. And I was recently on 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.719 Amy Phillips Queen Amy Phillips. She's one of the one 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:58.160 of the best Housewives imitators, Housewives experts. 0:08:58.160 --> 0:08:59.720 She's got a show on radio, Andy Lison. 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.160 I go on it, and I was just on and 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:04.920 she told me about this account called the Bravo Docket. 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.800 It's also in a podcast, and they are. 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:12.000 Two lawyers that analyze all the legal shit on Housewives. 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:12.720 Wow. 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:16.319 And I thought you would appreciate that because because you're like, 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:18.679 the Housewives has become true crime, you know, we talk 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:19.520 about that all the time. 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.679 Yeah, I mean also, okay, obviously Jenshaw will be going 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:26.520 to Jill for fifteen years. But the additional thing of 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.800 that Salt Lake City trailer was Heather Gay has a 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:30.840 fully black eye. 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.560 Someone punched her in the face, So or do you 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:36.200 think it's back else? Do you get that? 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:39.839 Because she took off her glasses like look, I could 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:41.760 just see the show teasing. 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.760 It and it being like, I fucking a huge Okay, 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.760 then what shut her eye fully closed a baseball bat. 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:51.840 What like running into a like a plank of wood 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.320 where you're getting your new a new beauty lab made 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:55.000 or something like. 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:55.440 I don't know. 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:57.280 I just have a feeling. It's not from a person. 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.960 I have a feeling. It's just a feeling. I'd like 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.120 to hope. I'd like to hope. It's like, I know, 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.240 it's not ever real. When someone's like I ran into 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.200 a door, it's like, you know, that looks like it's 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:10.800 from a punch. But yeah, it's an intriguing trailer. It 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:11.560 looks really good. 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:13.280 Wait, so Southern Charm. 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.600 I have been watching and it is uncomfortable and bad 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:17.880 and there's such bad people. 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.439 But yet I think I thought why I had to stop. 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:22.840 I had to stop. That stops I was. 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.280 I was late to join and then I stopped. But 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.800 I did dabble for a few seasons. So it's like 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:29.679 you're just where I was a couple like a year 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:31.600 or two ago. And then I think when it got 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.160 too plantation y, and I was like I gotta go, 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:38.280 like I can't. It's just sad to watch Catherine. She's 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:41.880 really a mess, Like yeah, but overall it. 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:47.360 Just in jet like I calling someone racist, is not 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.680 that Like if you say, like that's racist, it's like 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:51.880 you can't throw that. 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:53.680 And it's like, but you are racist. What are you 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:54.240 talking about? 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.199 Your family owned slaves and you will not admit it, 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.160 like your family owned people, and you won't even do 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.200 enough to like actually learn what is happening and what 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:06.400 the truth of everything is, and you're offended you might 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.959 be called a racist. It's like, even if you're not 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:11.080 a racist, you are. We're part of the system. And 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.160 I just hate how they don't listen or want to 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:18.560 learn anything when it's like your family did this, because 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:19.840 I know a lot of people should be like we 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:21.880 came in the nineteen hundred. It's not us, but it's 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.920 like it was you. It's your families. You're living in 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.240 those homes. How are you not acknowledging a little bit? 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:29.480 It's it is fucked. 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:31.920 Like I know, I haven't I haven't watched it in 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:33.559 a minute, so I don't even know who's still on. 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:39.600 But like it's like Thomas Ravenel, like those people like Whitney, 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:41.040 I don't know, they seem like bad. 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:42.679 I don't know it's bad. I shouldn't watch it. But 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:44.560 now that page isn't it's it is really tough. 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:45.160 You know. 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:48.360 I was at our friend Allison's house. Mm hmm, she's 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.920 such an adult. I mean a totalini pesto pasta salad, 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:55.360 a roast chicken salad with pormage, not fresh, not like 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:58.440 like I couldn't believe it made an olive oil. 0:11:58.280 --> 0:11:59.960 Cake with fresh whipped cream. 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.200 It's like a delicious whole foods like foody gall It's great. 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.360 I literally have you know what I brought Reese's peanut 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:10.640 butter cups and little one are the chips uts chips. 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:11.920 That's why I brought. 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.199 I think Alison loves uts chips, and I will confirm 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:16.120 she loves us chips. 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:17.440 That's actually a perfect thing to bring. 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:21.880 But cocktail weenies. I brought frozen kosher cocktail weenies. This 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.400 bitch is whipping up salads. I keep interrupting. I'm sorry. 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:25.880 It was just I love that. 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.360 That's very funny too, that you brought the wienies, like, 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.199 not with the bread around the outside, just the naked weenies. 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.640 No no, no, no, no, no, the whole thing. They had 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:35.920 the okay, they had their outfits. I thought it brought 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.880 like a bag of the wienies. No, no, they okay, No. 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.439 All I was gonna say is I literally texted Alison 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.120 yesterday and I go, I need your help. I need 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:47.080 to know how to make a good salad at home. 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:49.839 Like I don't understand. I buy all the stuff and 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:51.240 I'm like, this is all the stuff I like in 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.520 a salad at Sweet Green, and then it doesn't taste good. 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:56.720 And I know Sweet Green like salts their salads and whatever, 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:59.040 that's a different thing. It's just why can I not 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.520 make it even haste the way a side salad at 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.200 a restaurant tastes like it's not. 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.360 Did she help you? What's this? She gave me some 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:07.720 good tips? She gave me some good tips. 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:10.280 Well, she said, a good well, she said, it starts 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:11.480 with the kind of greens that you like. 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:12.679 So like, I gotta, I gotta. 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:14.560 I think I gotta not get my greens at Trader Joe's. 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:15.960 I love Trader Joe's, but I think I gotta get 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:16.840 my greens someone. 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.160 An expensive, nice crunchy lea. 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.319 Yes, And then she said for her, she thinks it's 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:26.080 all about the dressing, so she grates. She grates garlic 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.400 into her dressing, which is usually I think just a 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:32.800 little bit of like oil and and uh maybe even vinegar, 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:33.240 but maybe not. 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:36.520 I gotta make cretons. She made sesame croutons. 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:39.840 I've made a creuton before for one of these meal kits. 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.640 But like, yeah, it's like wild, like she is really got, 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.520 she's got going on with the oh, come on over, 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:48.040 and then just there's a beautiful like spread, like a 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:51.320 beautiful Instagram level sharcuterie platter. 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:52.520 You know, that's her vibe. 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:54.560 So she after we went to her last show, she 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.160 showed me a cool restaurant called Commerce In and I 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:00.640 went again this past week with a few friends and 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:02.920 I wanted to get a gift certificate for some friends. 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.680 I asked, they don't do gift certificates. So then our other. 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.559 Friend went, oh, can you maybe just call and like 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:08.640 buy a bottle for someone? 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.480 And they go, we don't have a phone. Oh a 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.760 lot of restaurants don't have phones anymore. That's sexy. No phone, 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:15.920 No get certificates. 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:18.600 Okay, I tried to get I tried to change something 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.800 with a restaurant, and like their website was like just 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.120 email us, like we don't have a phone, Like they're 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:24.960 just not here to talk to you anymore. 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:28.760 Now they're just here to whip up, you know, delicious salads. 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:30.960 I gotta try that place. Maybe we'll go there after 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:35.920 our meetup in New York. Anyway, guys, we're going to 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:39.480 start the episode That's Messed Up. That's messed Up. Live 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:42.360 dot Com has all people keep going no Philly, and 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.280 I'm like, Philly's on there, or like they'll be like, 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:45.240 are you coming to Boston? 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:47.440 It's on there. Check out all of our dates. 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:50.840 They're all up at That's messed Up live dot Com 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:52.880 And uh yeah. 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:55.000 And I met a lot of our great listeners while 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.120 I was here in New York bopping around. They came 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:00.280 out to the show. So thanks. I enjoyed meeting all 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:01.800 of you. Thanks for complimenting me. 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:05.640 Yeah, all right, guys, let's dive into Oh it's a 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:13.240 killer episode, so good. All right, all right, it's time 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:17.960 to do Roodium Nights, Season thirteen, episode twenty three. 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.200 I don't know why this is called roodium Nights. 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.240 I looked it up and I found some Reddit conversation 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.640 of a bunch of people that were also confused and 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.280 were some people were trying to do math about like 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:33.240 the chemical compound of rodium is the number of letters 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.320 that are in this title, and I was like, I 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.840 think you guys are overthinking it. But rodium's like an 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:42.680 element that's very shiny and dark or something, So maybe 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:48.360 that's alluding to the underworld of high class sex rings. 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:52.360 But anyway, here we go this episode on Hulu. The 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.080 thumbnail is a thumbnail of our girl, Laura ban Anti 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:56.960 with the deadist eyes I've ever seen. 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.320 She's just like staring and she's like barely in this. 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:02.320 I know. It's weird. 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.560 Like I don't know who's picking the thumbnails over at Hulu, 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:05.720 but maybe they thought that well. 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:06.920 Man's annoying. 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.640 Like this is the beginning of a series of three 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:15.200 episodes spanning two seasons. Hulu combines things fucks the numbers, it's. 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:16.240 Like so obnoxious. 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.160 Yeah, it's like we don't need to see it the 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.880 way that it aired on NBC at the time. They're 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:21.960 all separate episodes. 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:23.600 Just put them. It's so weird. 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.640 But we open on a wild party and you can 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:30.360 tell because they immediately show two women kissing. 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:32.760 Woo woo. This party's wild. 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.280 We're seeing some shots through the POV of a video camera, 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:40.440 so someone's clearly like making a documentary about this party. 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.760 And then I don't understand really why at all these 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:47.200 wild parties there's always somebody like fully videotaping it, like 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:50.040 outside of cell phone video, Like I don't understand, Like 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:50.440 if you're. 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:52.000 Well, the criminals like it. 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.760 You know, this wouldn't be the first rape situation that 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:55.840 caught on tape. 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.560 Yeah, yeah, that there's it always. I mean it also 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.600 like allows the cops later to have a full breakdown 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.760 of everything that happened where they can zoom in and 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:05.840 say that person went there, that person went there. 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:07.680 So I get why we do it as a TV device, But. 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:09.480 It's always like is that guy gonna get to enjoy 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:13.199 the party or is he just like videography like videographers. 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:14.720 It's strange anyway. 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:17.679 So pretty much every woman at this entire party is 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:21.080 in lingerie. Everybody's dancing, they're grinding. I see a man 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:24.160 being led on a leash. There's cigars, there's coke on mirrors. 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:26.919 This is a time. And now we are out on 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:30.080 the balcony and there are these finance douche bros talking 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.719 about like the market and the economy and like bailing 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:35.159 out Greece in Italy and nobody cares, and one of 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:37.960 the girls that is with them looks super fucked up. 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.800 She's like slumped over trying to get champagne. She's like 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.879 spilling it on the bros. They're like, whoa babe, chill out. 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.600 And then this one guy walks up and tells one 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.000 of the bros we have a situation. And the guy 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.200 who walks up and says that is an actor named 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.920 Eric Leyden, and I obviously know him from Bosh and 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:58.080 he also is He's very prolific. He was also in 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.679 The Killing Boardwalk Empire. He's a character actor. He has 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.520 a very like Neil Patrick harrisy vibe to me, and 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:06.840 he is working, honey. He has a lot of credits, 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.800 so you've seen him in something. Back inside the apartment, 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:13.080 their problem is revealed itself and it is two uniformed 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:17.160 police officers standing by the door, music blaring, everyone's still grinding. 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.760 Party is still raging, and the douche guy. 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.800 Goes, oh, you're with the third My dad speaks really 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:23.800 highly of your captain. 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.000 So immediately we don't know who this douche guy. 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:27.639 Is, but we know that he is super connected with 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.159 the cops somehow. And they're like, I just like, in 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:33.879 what universe is the dad talking about like which captains 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:36.879 are killer to his son, I don't get it. Like 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.320 over dinner, they're like, you know who rocks the captain 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:43.520 of the third Yeah, I see, you get it. So yes, 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.200 it's it's nuts. But we get an immediate idea who 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.080 this guy is. And they say there's been a new 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:52.880 noise complaint and my little dougie howser guy explains, I'm 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:56.480 just throwing my bachelor party for my boy. So they're like, 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:58.399 we'll keep it down, and then the cops just like 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.800 buy that and leave. They're like, okay, thank you, Like 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.760 there's no like you could just see how these people 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.800 are getting away with whatever they want. It's definitely the 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:10.840 politest behavior I've ever seen from cops. So now it's 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:13.480 apparently showtime where the bachelor is going to get a 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:15.639 big lap dance. Even though naked women have been like 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:17.679 hanging all over him the entire night, this is like 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:20.879 the big performance. So two women are like dancing up 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:23.640 on the sky and there are so many people video 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.200 on their phones, but there is also the documentary in 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:28.680 there with his big ass camera getting all the shots 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:31.680 he needs to get this baby into sun dance and 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:35.600 Doogie is making out with a blonde woman on the 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:37.960 side and they decide to like sneak away to fuck 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:41.560 and then back in the bedroom there are a thousand 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:42.760 coats and purses on the bed. 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:44.399 I mean, this party has passed apps. 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:46.439 I thought maybe they'd have like a coat closet, you 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:46.960 know what I mean. 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:48.919 But nah, it's just the bed, you know. 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:53.199 So, but how you are there empty coat closets, Like 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:55.480 my parent's coat closet. 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:56.600 Is filled, I know. 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:58.720 But like this guy is this massive apartment he lives 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.199 in by himself, Like I assume there would be like 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:03.920 I don't know, some kind of area for coats or 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:04.800 whatever the reason. 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:05.760 It's so nineties to me. 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:08.800 I mean, I'm sure people are layering coats on beds now, 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:10.960 but like it's such a. 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:12.199 Nineties thing to me. 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.920 Where the side parties, there's a sex in the city, like, yeah, 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:19.880 so many like storylines based on coat piles. 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:26.879 Yeah, And whenever I had there have been multiple people 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:28.840 found in coat piles. I feel like in this show 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.800 as well, this is not the only one. Whenever I 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:33.280 had a party in New York, my bed was just 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:35.280 a coat pile. I just I lived in a one 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.639 bedroom like, I thought this rich man would have, you know, 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:39.840 more coat access. 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:40.760 But anyway, here we are. 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:43.479 They're they're they're canoodling on this bed full of coats 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:47.080 and Chanel purses and then or maybe they're not Chanell purses. 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:49.280 I don't know, maybe they're knockoffs. But then the girl 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:51.919 feels like she's on top of something. She pulls a 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.880 coat back and dunt on it's the poor wasted girl 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:59.000 from earlier, eyes wide open, what looks like vomit on 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:03.399 her chin, and she is dead. So yikes. They start 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:07.560 freaking out. Dougie goes right into spin mode. He is 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:09.400 just like, uh, okay, wait, let. 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:10.800 Me figure this out. I got this, I got this. 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:14.520 And it turns out that his name is Clayton Hannigan 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:17.080 and he is a cable news host and my money 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:19.800 is on Fox News. But they do not specify. In 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:23.000 the next scene, Olivia, we find this all out. In 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:25.080 the next scene when Olivia and Tomorrow arriving, they're getting 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:27.120 the scoop from the uniformed officers. It's the same two 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:30.800 cops from the night before. They're back again and they're like, yeah, 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:34.960 Clayton hosted this bachelor party gone wrong and they're like, yeah, 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:37.240 the victim was found in the rooftop pool, so already 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:39.240 we as viewers, we know that's not where she was found. 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:39.960 So what's going on? 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:43.000 And liv wants to know why SVU is there and 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:45.159 the cops like, my captain's not a risk taker. 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:47.080 We don't know what that means, but we do find out. 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:49.000 So then in a. 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:51.640 Moment of pure comedy, we find out that all these 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:53.560 people were in such a rush to get the hell 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:55.040 out of there when they found a dead body that 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:57.399 they overloaded the penthouse elevator and they have all been 0:21:57.440 --> 0:21:59.800 stuck in there for over an hour. And I wish 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:02.440 that we got some footage from inside the elevator. Would 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:04.320 love to say it is a fear. 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:08.119 It doesn't like overtake my whole life, But well, no 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:09.720 one wants to get stuck in an elevator. 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:11.280 I guess we're all kind of scared of that a 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:14.240 little bit. Yes, well I did I did? Did I 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:15.840 ever tell you about when. 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:17.520 My aunt Did you work at an elevator company? 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:20.919 No? But my aunt and uncle had this like really 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:24.880 gorgeous like loft in Soho for a few years where 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:27.359 they moved and because they live they've always lived on 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:28.760 the Upper West Side, but they decided they wanted to 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:30.679 live in a different neighborhood for a few years, so 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:32.760 they moved to this big loft and soho I was 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:35.560 house sitting it one year in the summer, and I 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:38.359 had a big party, all these comedians and they had 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:40.320 an You needed an elevator to get up to it. 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:41.800 I mean you could take the stairs, but like the 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:44.600 elevator was what everybody took, and all these comics overloaded 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:47.280 it and broke it, and I had to like make 0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:49.280 up a story. It was like, I don't even know 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:51.640 if my cousin listens to this podcast, but if you're listening, 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:55.520 don't rat me out, but sorry, did you spin? I 0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:57.480 think I was said that it was just my brother 0:22:57.560 --> 0:22:59.800 and his two friends in the elevator, and it suddenly stopped, 0:22:59.880 --> 0:23:01.760 like I was like, I don't know what happened, you know, 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:03.480 like and then we had to call a person. It 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:06.120 was so stressful because all these people and I think 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:07.920 my brother was in the elevator and a bunch of 0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:08.960 people and they were all like. 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:10.880 Oh my god, we were sweating. It was a nightmare. 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:12.560 Like everyone was trying to figure out how we could 0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:15.960 climb out of the elevator, like, but and this is 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:18.880 like a four story build, a four story building, Like 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:20.920 it's not that many floors, you know. 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:23.440 But I would also be scared to climb out because 0:23:23.480 --> 0:23:26.320 what if in that moment it started right, it starts moving. 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:28.560 It's like I'm sure you've seen that in a horror movie. 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:31.760 But it's like, I think that happens in like speed. Yeah, 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:32.679 I love speed. 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:37.960 It's nodding. Speed holds up, dude, It's scary, it's good. 0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:39.399 Speed is wild. 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:43.080 So anyway, these people are living out their speed fantasy 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:46.479 stuck in an elevator and up on the roof they 0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:49.400 are loading this dead girl onto a gurney and live 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:52.600 comments about how young she looks. And she must be 0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:54.640 able to tell because she works in this line of work, 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:56.800 because I cannot tell how old girls are ever. 0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:57.880 I'm like, you could. 0:23:57.760 --> 0:24:00.520 Be the varsity field hockey captain, or you could be 0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:02.399 like an executive with a four oh one K. Like 0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:07.200 I truly cannot gauge age anymore. Like, especially when I'm 0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:09.199 taking my kid to school. There's a high school right there, 0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:10.960 I'm like, you're in high school? Like some of them 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:16.119 just looks so old. But lives Chris Deliah, I know, 0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:18.200 I'm like, well, Dan, look no, I'm just joke. 0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:18.919 I please. 0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:23.199 I think you can definitely tell when someone's young. I 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:27.440 just can't differentiate college, high school, college, and like young 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:28.560 just out of college. 0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:30.760 Anyway, they talked to Clayton. 0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:33.440 He's all wet and he's telling them that a caterwaiter 0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:35.560 found the body and that this girl must have just 0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:38.720 been skinny dipping and like you know, died and he 0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:40.680 jumped in, pulled her out and tried to do mount 0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:42.520 to mouth. So he's painting himself a nice little hero 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:45.119 portrait and he doesn't know her. She must have been 0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:47.920 someone's plus one. And when Amaro asks for the invite list, 0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:49.800 he goes it was more of a word of mouth 0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:51.359 type of thing, like I don't think this guy made 0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:53.880 an evite, if you know what I'm saying, and lives 0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:57.760 like you're a journalist, do better, And then Rollinson interrupts 0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:00.680 with Finn and is like, live, there's the scoop, like 0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:02.760 this is why the local precinct does not want to 0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:04.919 touch this. It's because the elevator was packed with all 0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:08.200 these like high powered VIP people like a former Yankee 0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:11.920 two current MLB players, an NHL player, two Hedge fun guys, 0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:15.400 two secret service agents, and then there's the Bachelor who 0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:19.840 is named Will Brady and he is the police commissioner's son. 0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:20.360 Done. 0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:23.040 Done, and now we finally get to the credits. A 0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:25.400 very packed cold open. We've got a dead body, We've 0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:29.600 got a lot of high powered players, and I love 0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:32.280 this arc. This three episode arc was like so fun 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:33.399 to me when it was first on. 0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:38.600 I love it. Yeah, it really is great. 0:25:38.880 --> 0:25:41.040 You know, they don't do it very often, and so 0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:44.160 it was a treat to have, like the cliffhanger and 0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:47.080 sorry to bust, sorry to blow it, but there is 0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:49.800 a cliffhanger at the end of the episode. But yeah, 0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:51.760 I love when they take this thing and the guest 0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:53.280 stars have like a stretch. 0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:55.280 Yeah, it is very cool. 0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:57.719 Yeah, and there's a lot of good guest stars in this. 0:25:58.000 --> 0:25:59.639 I will review them as we go through them, but 0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:01.479 there's like a lot of people. Okay. 0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:02.520 So top of act. 0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:05.919 One, the detectives are interviewing Will the bachelor, the little 0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:09.960 like daddy boy who has a powerful daddy. So he's like, yeah, 0:26:10.000 --> 0:26:12.679 my dad told me to fully cooperate, Like what a 0:26:12.720 --> 0:26:16.439 tragedy I'm super broken up about this girl who died, and. 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:18.040 He doesn't know who she is. 0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:20.639 And he's like and he's like, and I don't know 0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:22.480 if anyone was hired to come to the party, and 0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:25.080 if anyone was, it's not a crime, like he's you know, 0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:27.359 he's like, escorts aren't a crime. They're just dates, you know, 0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:30.600 and lives like, yeah, but all you little sardines and 0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:33.080 that elevator looked like you were fleeing the scenes, So 0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:35.679 what's up? Like why the rush if nothing illegal was 0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:38.880 going on? And he says to Live, I get a detective, 0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:41.399 you're in a tough spot here, and it's like Live's 0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:44.359 face is immediately livid, and it's kind of like implying 0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:46.760 that I know it's going to be hard for you 0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:49.160 to work this case with so many connected people involved, 0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:50.760 Like it's gonna be really tough. And I get where 0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:54.560 you're coming from, like lives like exqueeze me, like she's mad, 0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:57.560 And then Daddy Craigan has to swoop into diffuse and 0:26:57.600 --> 0:27:00.360 Will's like, I gotta go call my feet on stand 0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:03.480 away before this whole thing goes viral, and it's like, okay, dog, 0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:09.520 so tomorrow is now talking to Clayton, who I've been 0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:12.000 calling Doogie up until now, and he and Will are 0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:14.880 college buds and he is going to be the best 0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:15.639 man in the wedding. 0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:16.840 And he says, you look. 0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:18.720 Look when the body was discovered, I was in the 0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:19.959 living room giving a toast. 0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:23.200 Wait, I am sorry to go off topic again. You're 0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:26.800 doing such a great job, but something did come to me, 0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:28.359 and it doesn't need to be in an intro. 0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:31.240 I think it's worth it. Do you know that? 0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:34.920 Uh a friend of a friend. I hate this, I 0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:39.320 don't hate it. Whatever, I got scoop that someone in 0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:42.800 my extended circle of friends did suck his own dick. 0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:46.480 What do I know this person? 0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:48.480 I don't know if you know them or not, but 0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:51.119 the name sounded familiar and that's why I started laughing 0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:57.280 about it in my own head. But yeah, he like 0:27:57.600 --> 0:28:01.239 walked his legs up on the wall and like did it. 0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:03.680 But he said, this is the funniest part. I mean, 0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:06.119 this is sick. But he said it's more like sucking 0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:07.960 your own dick than getting a blowjob. 0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:12.920 Right, yeah, like it like it feels better to get 0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:14.680 a hand job than to jerk yourself off. 0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:14.960 Right. 0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:17.880 I don't know if that's even true all the time 0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:20.160 with the hand jobs, that's like a controversial take care. 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:22.520 Oh no, I no, I mean I feel like, don't 0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:24.600 people always like doesn't? Oh I thought I didn't know 0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:27.800 that was controversial. Oh God, better when someone else did it. 0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:28.639 No, I think they. 0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:31.360 I think they don't want hand jobs because they're better 0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:33.480 at hand jobs because they're jerking it all the time. 0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:38.560 Oh gotcha, gotcha? Yeah? Wait, what made you think of this? 0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:43.040 The name sounds Clayton, It like reminded me of the name, 0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:46.120 and then I had just heard the stories. So then 0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:49.520 I just started like like being discusted and laughing and 0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:51.960 if I have to have this horrific image in my head, 0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:53.480 now you do too, you know what I mean? 0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:55.560 And all of our listeners amazing. 0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:59.920 So Amaro's talking to Clayton and he's like, yeah, we're 0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:04.800 college buds. I'm the best man, and he said when 0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:06.960 the body was discovered by the cater raider, I was 0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:08.720 in the living room giving a toast, so like it 0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:11.520 definitely wasn't me that or like if you're suspecting anything, 0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:14.040 And then Finn's like, where'd you get all the girls from? 0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:16.160 And he plays dumb and he's like oh, these are 0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:18.600 all people's guests and dates, like, I can't stop people 0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:19.560 from bringing dates. 0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:20.000 To my parties. 0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:23.520 And then Rollin's at the same time is interviewing one 0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:25.960 of the finance bros who we saw the dead girl 0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:28.760 earlier kind of like falling all over and spilling her 0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:31.600 champagne on. And he sees a picture of her and 0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:35.080 so respectfully says he mostly remembers the top of her head, 0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:36.800 so he's a douche. 0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:39.239 But then he goes, listen, she was super fucked up. 0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:41.640 She could barely talk, and he says, I didn't give 0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:43.320 her anything like, but she did seem like she was 0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:46.640 on something. And he then he like sees Rollin's cuffs 0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:49.240 in her pocket. He goes, you ever use your handcuffs 0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:51.080 in bed? And she just comes right back and goes, 0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:53.040 you ever get laid without paying for it? And I 0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:57.880 like that, I'll give that. I like Rollin's telling Finance 0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:00.560 Wall Street finance bros where they can fuck it stick it. 0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:01.920 And now the. 0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:05.040 Squad is all together outside on this rooftop beautiful root 0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:08.080 near this beautiful rooftop pool, chatting about how like, look, 0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:11.040 no one's really talking. Everyone's kind of throwing up roadblocks, 0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:13.120 and Amorrow's like, we should compasit gate all the cell 0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:16.360 phones because these dudes definitely filmed all the action. Craigan's like, 0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:19.200 with these people not without a warrant, let's slow down 0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:22.880 until we hear from them, and then lives like sidebars 0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:24.520 with the Captain and is like, why are we going 0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:26.280 so easy on these guys, and he's like if we 0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:29.120 push too hard, the lawyer up. Like Captain Craigan, I 0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:30.960 think as many years as he's been in SVU, he 0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:35.000 kind of gets the politics of it all. So now WHOA. 0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:37.120 Now we're at like a scene that I didn't really 0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:39.480 need to see. It doesn't really like matter in this 0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:42.800 episode very much. But we're at Amorrow's apartment getting a 0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:46.160 sneak peek into his loveless marriage. He's on an hour break, 0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:49.200 wanted to catch some you know Z's at home and 0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:53.160 Maria is just staring aka Laura b Nanty friend of 0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:57.040 the Pod. She's just standing on her sitting on a 0:30:57.080 --> 0:31:00.040 couch like staring at him super blankly, and he's like, 0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:03.200 what's up, Like it's so weird, like and then she's like, 0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:05.480 you know, we have to talk about this at some point, right, 0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:07.760 And he goes, I know, and then it's clearly their 0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:10.800 appending divorce, but they don't really get into it anymore 0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:12.840 and it's really hard to care. That's all she is 0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:15.720 in the entire episode, and they do make her the thumbnail. 0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:16.960 So congrats girl. 0:31:17.480 --> 0:31:20.200 Now we're at Melinda's house, as Lisa calls it, and 0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:23.040 she's got the autopsy, and she says, what's up. This 0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:25.440 girl did not die drowning. She had no water in 0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:30.600 her lungs. She odeed on scopolamine. Hello, old friend. If 0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:33.240 you guys remember I did a sort of a thorough 0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:36.920 breakdown on scopolamine in the episode Smut where we talked 0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:39.200 about this drug. It's also called Devil's breath, and it 0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:43.080 makes people able to sort of like walk around semifunctionally 0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:46.200 while they're completely blacked out, like creating no new memories. 0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:48.920 So in the episode Smut, the guy uses it to 0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:52.600 rape women in like urban legend, and a little bit 0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:55.520 people use it to like when people come to like 0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:58.000 foreign countries, they'll like blow it in your face and 0:31:58.000 --> 0:31:59.720 then take you to an ATM and make you empty 0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:01.000 out your whole account or whatever. 0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:03.120 Like there's all kinds of ways you can use it. Yeah, 0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:03.600 I don't. 0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:06.920 I can't imagine there's any good reasons that people are 0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:08.120 using scopolamine. 0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:10.600 Well, then here's the thing. So then Rollins goes, isn't 0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:13.720 that for seasickness? And then I look up scopolamine again 0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:15.800 and nothing in my original research said. 0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:16.200 Anything about this. 0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:18.320 But I guess it's used a lot for motion sickness, 0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:22.280 but probably in very small doses. Probably not like you know, like, 0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:26.320 I'm sure it's I'm sure someone medical or chemistry savvy 0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:28.000 is going to write us and tell us the difference. 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:30.640 But like, you can use it, I guess for any 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:34.240 kind of motion sickness. And Melinda says it can also 0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:36.320 be used to treat a few other medical conditions, but 0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:38.480 this girl did not have any of those medical conditions, 0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:43.680 So what's up. I didn't know scopolamine had any valid 0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:47.280 uh uses, but I guess it does. And Finn says, yeah, 0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:49.240 like I've heard of working girls like slipping it to 0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:52.040 their john's and Rollins's like, okay, so maybe someone turned 0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:55.120 the tables on this girl. And then Melinda says there's 0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:57.160 no signs of trauma on her except for abrasions on 0:32:57.200 --> 0:32:59.680 her knees, semen in her mouth and throat and two 0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:01.160 and a half ounces in her stomach. 0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.200 It's like a lot of semen to have in your stomach. 0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:07.640 So then Melinda says that nothing about this really makes 0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:10.320 it a definitive homicide, so this could have all been 0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:13.600 like consensual sexual activity. So Melinda goes, it's a cuppy 0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:16.320 and I was. I originally glossed over it, and then 0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:18.960 of course, you know, I googled it. So cuppy stands 0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:26.840 for Circumstances undetermined pending police investigation. So essentially we who knows, Like, 0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:30.480 we don't really know for sure, but more evidence could 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:33.880 back up or support, like, you know, what's happened to her, 0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:36.240 but we're not sure. The Emmy is like not making 0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:40.040 a you know, determination, whether about it being homicide or not. 0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:42.920 And Rollins is like, yeah, but somebody put her body 0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:45.600 in the pool. And Melinda's like yeah, and that proves nothing. 0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:48.560 It's your job to prove homicide, sweetie. And Rollins is 0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:51.120 giving Melinda shit and Melinda is throwing it right back 0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:53.959 at her. And it truly was not until I started 0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:56.080 doing this podcast that I even clocked that these two 0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:59.600 are enemies, Like these two have a lot of tension. 0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:01.600 Yeah, yeah, I was just thinking, I didn't realize the 0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:04.520 tension went this far back, Like we now covered a 0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:08.279 few episodes where they are not friends. 0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:11.240 Yeah yeah, yeah, like this is this is season thirteen, 0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:14.240 so this is like first season of Orleans. Maybe Melinda's 0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:17.000 pissed that Maloney's gone. I don't know, it's weird, but 0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:21.160 Finn steps in to be like Melinda, my girl, anyway 0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:23.480 you can help us id this victim. And Melinda's like, 0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:26.719 for you, ice anything, and she's like, this girl had 0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:27.520 breast implants. 0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:28.880 We're tracking the serial number. 0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:30.719 So we finally get a little bit of good news 0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:34.279 and I mean semi good news from Melinda. So now 0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:36.000 we're back at the precinct and Finn is talking to 0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:39.160 one of the cops who was at the party that night, 0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:41.600 like the two guys that answered the noise complaint, and 0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:43.920 he says they responded to the noise complain at two twenty, 0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:47.200 gave a stern warning lol. Second call was at three 0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:49.360 fifty was a woman with a Spanish accent. And then 0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:51.960 they got a third call from Clayton when they were 0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:55.080 en route from the from the three fifty call. And 0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:57.279 then Amarro's talking to the other cop who swears he 0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:58.360 had no he had no idea. 0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:00.000 This was a party for the police commissioner's son. 0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:04.120 And when they talked to Craigan, Amaro's like, these guys 0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:06.520 both sound very rehearsed, like they know, you know, they've 0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:07.960 probably talked to their IAB reps. 0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:08.759 They know what to say. 0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:11.759 Rollins gets a hit on the breast implants and it 0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:14.640 turns out this girl, our victim's name is Maggie Murphy 0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:16.480 and she's from Winnipeg, up in Canada. 0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:17.839 I've been there. 0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:22.040 Yeah, yeah, I had a therapist from Winnipeg and she 0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:23.080 told me it kind of sucked. 0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:27.440 Yeah, yeah, just cold. I think I went to the movies. 0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:29.879 I like that you could get mini Cadbury eggs at 0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:32.759 the movie theater. Oh, I went to a bookstore. I 0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:34.840 mean I was doing shows. I actually met up with 0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:38.960 long lost family. That's fun. Yeah, it was fun. And 0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:41.640 there in the audience there was an arm wrestling competition 0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:44.239 and they were wasted. It was like all these people 0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:46.520 from an arm wrestling match came and they were just 0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:49.200 drunk out of their goards. And then this was also 0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:53.400 the place where a man he kept swirling his eyes 0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:54.160 so loudly. 0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:55.640 And I went can you just stop? 0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:58.320 And he stood up and went, you need to shut 0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:01.439 the fuck up in the A yes, and I said 0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:04.000 I have the microphone and it was his birthday and 0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:05.359 I had to wait for all of them to get 0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:08.719 kicked out and they were like so mad, but you 0:36:08.760 --> 0:36:09.520 can't swirl. 0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:13.440 I stop swirling your fucking ice, dude. They bring up 0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:16.000 Winnipeg in the show a lot. Remember in the episode 0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:19.520 about with Stevie Lynn Jones, what was it the episode 0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:23.320 producer's back end, There was a movie called Winnipeg Nights. 0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:24.800 They like Winnipeg on SVU. 0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:29.439 I wonder if someone's from there, because it is like, wait, 0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:32.440 you know who else is from Winnipeg. That episode was 0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:36.400 Steve Howie, the like catfishing in between with the NBA player. Yeah, 0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:40.520 she was on she lived two hours away from Winnipeg. 0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:43.880 But Winnipeg was mentioned again. Yeah, yeah, you're right on 0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:48.640 APEG killing it Winnipeg getting it's mentioned, okay. 0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:52.160 So Live is immediately upset that someone gave us sixteen 0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:54.400 year old fake tits, and Craigan's like, let's focus, like, 0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:56.279 we're not going after Canadian plastic. 0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:56.840 Surgeons right now. 0:36:57.160 --> 0:36:59.720 So we find out that Maggie ran away from foster 0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:02.440 care six months ago and had her checks forwarded to 0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:03.600 an address in Astoria. 0:37:04.560 --> 0:37:05.680 I didn't know that they would do that. 0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:09.200 No roommates at her apartment, No one seems to know 0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:11.040 her around there. I don't really even know how a 0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:13.279 sixteen year old girl finds an apartment in New York. 0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:14.240 It's like not easy. 0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:16.200 So Finn's like, what about this girl with the accent 0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:17.960 who called the police? So then they're like, okay, let's 0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:20.360 look at the footage that they have from the everybody 0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:23.520 fleeing the scene, and it's literally just like a parade 0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:27.520 of these strippers and sex workers just leaving, all holding 0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:29.560 their purses in front of their faces because they know 0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:32.000 exactly where the security cameras are, and like this isn't 0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:34.000 their first rodeo, and they know how to hide their faces, 0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:37.160 so they're getting nothing. The Secret Service agents are protected 0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:39.680 by Homeland Security. The hockey players back in Canada, the 0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:43.719 baseball players are playing a game hungover, and so they're 0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:46.040 kind of feeling like they're a little bit at a 0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:47.799 dead end, and then they realize, oh, wait, if the 0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:51.200 girl's body was moved, Clayton's penthouse is a crime scene. 0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:54.680 Craigan says, go back with csu. It's Sunday. The garbage 0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:56.520 hasn't gone out yet. These guys always have to dig 0:37:56.560 --> 0:38:00.799 through garbage. Liv wants to investigate also the multiple counts 0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:02.920 of statutory rape that happened at the party, but Craigan 0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:05.000 is like, that's up to the DA let's focus on 0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:07.480 the murder. And livis pissed. She's like, this was a 0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:10.080 kid who spent the entire night on her knees. Like 0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:12.920 it doesn't sit well with Olivia, obviously, and then they 0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:15.800 get interrupted when Will Brady walks in with his lawyer. 0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:19.080 His lawyer is unnamed, but he is played by an 0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:21.960 actor named Sam McMurray. He has one hundred and ninety 0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:24.399 eight IMDb credits. I feel like I've seen this man 0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:26.960 in everything I've ever seen. I truly thought he'd been 0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:29.440 on multiple sviews, but this is his only sview and 0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:32.680 his name on the show is Will Brady's attorney, and 0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:37.600 he's been in like Scandal, Breaking, Bad Friends, King of 0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:40.680 Queen's one of my favorite movies of all time, La Story, 0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:43.400 And one of the craziest things I saw when I 0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:45.360 was looking at his IMDb is that he did a 0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:49.520 couple of voices on Law and Order colon Justice Is Served, 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:52.480 which is a law and order video game that I 0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:55.480 did not know existed, and this guy has done some 0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:56.359 voices on it. 0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:59.680 So anyway, funck, dude, I just met someone who has 0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:03.000 worked looking on an SVU walking Long order walking tour 0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:05.560 in Manhattan, like the sexost City ones and stuff. 0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:08.440 Yeah, she was at a show I was doing. Shout 0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:11.799 out great idea, Catherine. I think that's her name. Watch, 0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:14.000 I got it right, you should sponsor us on our podcast. 0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:17.760 We'll talk about it. Wait, but I'm looking at this actor, 0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:19.000 oh Christmas vacation. 0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:21.840 I was like, he seems like such an eighties dude. 0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:25.440 Yeah, like I know his vacation is he he's one 0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:27.240 of the co workers with Clark or something. 0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:29.920 Yeah, he's like in so many things that we've watched. Oh, 0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:33.840 he's also Simpson's no way and a lot of voiceover. 0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:36.720 I noticed a lot of voiceover, like cool animation voiceover. 0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:38.120 So so they. 0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:41.080 Walk in at the perfect time holding a USB drive 0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:45.040 full of footage of the party and it shows Will's 0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:47.520 activity the entire party, showing that he never was with 0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:51.960 this victim, and so, uh, they start watching the footage 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:56.200 live looks like very unimpressed. She he doesn't remember seeing 0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:59.200 Maggie with anyone. Will says, she seems sloppy and out 0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:00.560 of it, and I think I think I saw her 0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:03.399 making out with a tall, tan brunette woman. And so 0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:05.799 they're like, okay, we'll go through this footage. What is 0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:07.799 it like four hours? And he's like, more like eight 0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:09.799 hours and he's like, what, you only get married for 0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:12.280 the first time once, and he's trying to be funny, 0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:15.800 but liv is not buying it. Rollin's, Finn, and Tomorrow 0:40:15.960 --> 0:40:18.680 are now gathered around the laptops with snacks and they're 0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:22.360 all looking at footage of this debaucherous bachelor party, and 0:40:22.440 --> 0:40:25.399 Amarro's like, these guys probably think these girls like it, 0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:27.560 like they see them as more than just a payday, 0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:30.120 and Rollin's is like, uh, yeah, men are delusional, we 0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:32.800 know this. And Finn's like, hey, now, don't tell me 0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:35.120 you've never been to a strip club, and Tomorrow's like, yeah, 0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:37.560 on the job, maybe my cousin's bachelor party, but now 0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:40.600 it makes me feel uncomfortable, and Finn starts making fun 0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:41.880 of him, like, oh, are you out there one of 0:40:41.880 --> 0:40:43.839 those guys that says like no thanks on the lap 0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:46.600 dance and tries to tell strippers about their their options 0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:49.960 and stuff, and I just like Finn being funny and 0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:53.320 seizing tomorrow. Well, and we know that Finn loves it, 0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:57.040 loves a strip club. And Amarrow is like, I respect women. 0:40:57.160 --> 0:40:59.319 I have sisters and a daughter, you know, the age 0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:02.000 old argument that's like I'm related to women, so I 0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:04.719 respect them, and that you have to be related to 0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:08.000 them to respect them. And now their little tiff gets 0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:11.839 interrupted when Rollin's finds something and she's now we cut 0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:13.960 to her showing the footage to Live in Captain Craigs, 0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:17.720 and we see Maggie staggering in the background of the party, 0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:20.040 like staggering back to the bedroom. The timestamp is three 0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:23.560 twenty five am, and she's already been doped with a scopolamine. 0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:26.000 She's like heading back to the bedroom to die, Olivia says, 0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:29.080 because like she's all over the place. And honestly, I 0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:32.279 think the Carlton nine when one comes twenty five minutes later. 0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:35.520 So right after this on the footage, we see Clayton 0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:38.560 and this blonde woman making their way back to the bedroom. 0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:40.479 We've already seen this scene, but this is their first 0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:43.160 time seeing it. Amaro busts in to say that they 0:41:43.200 --> 0:41:45.800 found vomit on the sheets that were in Clayton's trash 0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:47.720 and they're going to test it for scapolamine. 0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:50.600 So now they're like, we got to talk to Clayton again. 0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:52.600 He just headed back to the bedroom where this poor 0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:55.080 little girl went to like you know, pass out and die, 0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:58.160 and he must know more than he's saying. And Clayton 0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:00.239 is it turns out it's supposed to be leave that 0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:02.760 day to cover the crisis in North Korea. I didn't 0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:05.279 really know that we went over there. I didn't really 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:07.120 think we were allowed to go into North Korea, but 0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:10.279 I didn't think they were sending wolf Blitzer over there 0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:10.840 these days. 0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:14.600 But we'll see. Cragan sends them to go get them. 0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:16.640 He's like, I'll hold the plane with port authorities. So 0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:19.680 then Live hangs back to talk to Cragan and she's like, 0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:21.720 we can have the case now that Will is cleared, 0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:24.520 Like it's not that high profile now that like, you know, 0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:27.719 the police commissioner's son has been you know, exonerated and 0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:30.920 found that he couldn't be involved. And Craigan's like ONEPP 0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:34.000 wants the DA's office to handle this and lives like, great, 0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:36.080 I'll call my boyfriend Hayden and he'll back us. And 0:42:36.080 --> 0:42:38.560 Craigan's like, girl, stop like digging into this is only 0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:39.480 going to lead to trouble. 0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:42.000 These girls are connected to politicians. 0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:45.640 Das brass like, it just goes a lot deeper than 0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:48.480 just like you know, and he says, we've got to 0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:49.640 play our cards close. 0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:49.919 To the vest. 0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:54.720 So that's the end of act one at too. Clayton 0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:57.080 is now an interrogation with his lawyer. Her name is 0:42:57.160 --> 0:43:00.640 Kendra Gill and she is in New Jersey, Ada, turned 0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:01.480 defense attorney. 0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:03.160 I guess she wanted to make more cash. Baby. 0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:06.000 She is an episode Hot House with Sarah Hiland and 0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:08.160 she's the one who gives her a break so that 0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:10.840 she doesn't go to jail forever. She's like, they're like, 0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:12.560 please go easy on or she's young, and then she 0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:15.280 does and her name is that actress's name is Gretchen 0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:18.640 eGolf and she says Clayton will spill all the tea, 0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:21.840 don't even worry about it, and he says, listen, they're like, 0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:23.319 who helped you get the girl into the pool and 0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:26.080 she's like, he says, there were some diplomats from Middle 0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:29.280 East there and their security guys helped me. And Amorrow 0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:31.520 is like, well, he says, like, I'm telling you guys 0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:33.319 the truth that Tomorrow's like, oh, like you've been doing 0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:35.400 with your whole wet suit mouth to mouth act that 0:43:35.440 --> 0:43:37.400 you told us at the beginning, and he's like, okay, 0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:39.160 that was a bad mood. But she was dead when 0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:41.160 I found her. I didn't call nine one one right 0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:43.919 away because Secret Service had to escort some guests out. 0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:45.719 I also didn't know she was sixteen. 0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:48.160 And they're like, well, at least five of your friends 0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:50.719 had sex with an underage girl at this party, and 0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:52.880 who was with you when you found her? And he 0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:55.440 was like, that was my He tells them that his 0:43:55.520 --> 0:43:58.520 blonde is a friend. She's not an escort, she's a friend, 0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:01.319 and her name is Chris and he doesn't know her 0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:03.920 last name, and Live goes, oh, so a close friend. 0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:07.520 I love that. Like the Olivia shade is so funny 0:44:07.560 --> 0:44:11.480 to me. So next scene, they're bringing in Carissa, telling 0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:13.960 her that once she lawyers up, they cannot help her, 0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:16.520 and she still decides to wait for her lawyer, but 0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:18.799 before then, she makes sure to create a lot of 0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:22.239 sexual tension with Amorrow, and she's flirting, asking for a 0:44:22.320 --> 0:44:24.600 drink and saying she hasn't seen him around, like she 0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:26.719 knows every sex crimes detective in the city, Like do 0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:27.680 you think she knew Stabler? 0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:28.399 Who knows? 0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:31.440 And when she says some water would be great, I 0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:34.520 really hear an Australian accent. So I go to IMDb 0:44:34.719 --> 0:44:36.640 look her up. Her name is Pipa Black and she 0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:40.160 is indeed from Downanda, and she is on the Australian 0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:43.360 soap Neighbors and she's been on it for like seventeen years. 0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:45.560 So I used to watch Neighbors when I went to 0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:47.560 Ireland when I was like eleven, I watched Neighbors all 0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:47.920 the time. 0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:52.920 Anyway, this girl to me. So there's an Irish comic 0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:58.360 at the cellar now and. 0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:58.640 He introduced himself yesterday. I was like, yeah, we've met. 0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:00.200 He goes, well, I don't know. You seem drunk last 0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:02.200 time I met you. I was like, excuse me, we've 0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:04.480 met and he goes, well, no, I know, but I 0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:06.959 met you. And then the same day, about an hour later, 0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:09.080 you came up and introduced yourself again to me and 0:45:09.120 --> 0:45:14.080 I go, okay, touche. 0:45:15.880 --> 0:45:19.120 I was so pissed, but and you were like, I 0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:19.760 got got. 0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:26.880 Anyway, this girl has like a very Naomi Watts, Nicole 0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:30.360 Kidman had a baby, but kind of generic vibe to me. 0:45:30.520 --> 0:45:33.040 Margo, Robbie. They all do neighbors and they all come 0:45:33.080 --> 0:45:34.880 to America. I was Tony Colat on. 0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:37.920 Neighbors, you know, I like on neighbors. They all love it. 0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:41.720 But anyway, she's like, I haven't seen you around. 0:45:41.719 --> 0:45:43.279 We get a lot of cops on the job, so 0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:45.680 she's just being very upfront that she's like a sex worker. 0:45:45.719 --> 0:45:49.160 And she teases Nick for being mister clean and he's like, actually, 0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:51.920 I'm married, and it's like yeah for about two more minutes. 0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:57.000 Buddy and Carissa immediately like reads in Nick's eyes that 0:45:57.040 --> 0:45:58.799 he's been hurt by his wife and he's keeping it 0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:01.000 bottled up and he needs to release that, like maybe 0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:05.080 fucking her would possibly even things right up, and it's wild. 0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:08.399 She's like, uh, she just feels like she can read 0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:11.040 inside his soul immediately, and then a knock at the 0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:14.160 door breaks the tension, and Craigan's been watching the entire thing, 0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:16.440 pulls Amorrow out and he's like, what's up with you? 0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:19.080 In blondie and he's like, well, witness wants to talk. 0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:21.120 You talk, and he's like, that wasn't about the case tomorrow, 0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:23.600 put your dick back in your pants. And then he's like, 0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:25.319 we got to wait for her lawyer. This all has 0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:27.160 to be by the book. Craigan like knows from the 0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:29.120 get go like this we cannot fuck around with this, 0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:32.040 like no cutting corners because like these are powerful people. 0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:34.880 So the next thing we see is Carissa with her lawyer, 0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:38.239 the legendary Regi Kathy and. 0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:40.120 He is a Liza fave. 0:46:40.920 --> 0:46:43.200 I know him as Freddy from House of Cards, but 0:46:43.280 --> 0:46:48.360 he was also one of the animal smugglers in the 0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:51.880 iconic s View episode Wildlife, which we just covered in Montreal. 0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:55.200 And he is also from the Wire and Oz and 0:46:55.239 --> 0:46:57.080 I didn't know he died in twenty eighteen. 0:46:58.239 --> 0:46:58.800 That's sad. 0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:02.799 Yeah, he was a legend and rest in peace. His 0:47:02.920 --> 0:47:06.000 character is named Barry Querns. And he's telling them that 0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:08.759 Carissa didn't know Maggie and barely saw her that night, 0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:11.320 and she says she knew every girl at the party 0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:12.640 there except for Maggie. 0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:13.520 She's an escort. 0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:16.000 She gets paid to do parties, do dinners and the 0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:18.719 lawyer's like, there's nothing illegal about that. As Tomorrow and 0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:21.319 her give each other like fuck me eyes again, So 0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:24.680 who's your booker? And Big Shock Barry Quorn's is like 0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:26.759 you can talk to him, no problem, I represent him 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:29.400 as well. So now we are at the apartment of 0:47:29.480 --> 0:47:32.960 Bart Ganzel. I would say one of my favorite side 0:47:33.080 --> 0:47:39.600 characters in SVU. He is this like extremely powerful pimp essentially, 0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:44.080 but who's also a Seinfeld character, right, Like he's so 0:47:44.680 --> 0:47:47.879 like dorky and like he's like a little Jewish man. 0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:49.719 I don't know, it's funny. He's very funny to me. 0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:52.000 He's sitting on a couch in like jeans. 0:47:51.680 --> 0:47:56.360 And stackers, George Castanza in like clubber gear. Yeah, like 0:47:56.440 --> 0:47:58.800 black t shirts with gold writing. 0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:03.680 Such bushy and like an emotional soul but a criminal 0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:05.600 bad at it but also good. 0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:08.680 It's it is very twisted and funny. Yeah. 0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:11.360 So he's like in the couch in jeans and sneakers 0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:14.400 and like a button down shirt that's like very open, 0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:16.360 like a lot of chest hair, and all these women 0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:18.920 who work for him are like around him in underwear 0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:21.200 and like he's flirting. They're all flirting with him, and 0:48:21.280 --> 0:48:23.120 you know, it's like he's We're getting the idea he's 0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:25.319 the king. There's like a party underway by the way 0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:27.799 at this apartment. We're at his apartment in Chelsea, and 0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:30.440 Ganzelle is played by Peter Jacobson, who has been in 0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:32.800 tons of shit, like The Americans House. 0:48:32.880 --> 0:48:35.840 He was on for many many years Ray Donovan. 0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:39.680 And what's wild is he played a defense attorney in 0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:42.320 old seasons of Original Recipe, like one season from the 0:48:42.400 --> 0:48:45.240 nineties and some from the early two thousands, and then 0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:49.359 that character crossed over to SVU in season nineteen and 0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:52.600 did like three episodes of season nineteen as this lawyer, 0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:55.239 this defense attorney. And it's kind of nuts because I 0:48:55.280 --> 0:48:57.239 just feel like the Ganzel arc is so memorable to 0:48:57.280 --> 0:48:58.880 me that you know, I know they don't care how 0:48:58.920 --> 0:49:00.880 I feel, but it's just weird to like bring him 0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:02.640 back as a lawyer a few years after he's this 0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:06.840 major pimp in this three episode arc, you know. So anyway, 0:49:07.480 --> 0:49:09.520 Ganzelle's making the rounds at his house and we hear 0:49:09.520 --> 0:49:11.280 a cell phone ring and who picks up the phone 0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:17.240 but Brian Cassidy aka Dean Winters aka Mayhem aka a guest. 0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:19.440 We're desperate to get who keeps eluding us. 0:49:20.040 --> 0:49:22.560 He hangs up the phone, he kisses a girl goodbye, 0:49:22.719 --> 0:49:24.719 tells Ganzel we got to bounce. We got to get 0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:27.000 out of here, And just as they're trying to scurry out, 0:49:27.360 --> 0:49:31.080 this SVU squad arrives, Cassidy and Tomorrow immediately start beefing, 0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:35.920 like Cassidy's like, where's the warrant? And then he Tomorrow's 0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:39.560 like slawyer role and then Cassidy throws a punch at him, 0:49:39.600 --> 0:49:42.000 just fully cold cock Tomorrow in the face, and then 0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:47.160 they haul him and Ganzell both off, so really escalated quickly. 0:49:48.200 --> 0:49:51.879 In interrogation, Cassidy's like with Tomorrow and he's like, sorry, bro, 0:49:51.960 --> 0:49:54.040 I had to make it look real like, so we 0:49:54.200 --> 0:49:57.440 find out quickly Cassidy's undercover. Amorro's standing there icing his 0:49:57.520 --> 0:50:00.120 jaw with an ice pack and he's like, fuck you man, Like, 0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:02.160 there's other ways to do this. I've been undercover before. 0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:04.319 You don't have to like punch people. But we did 0:50:04.360 --> 0:50:07.120 just see an undercover mother. The guy who played the 0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:09.600 guy who's Rollin's baby daddy does the same thing, like 0:50:09.640 --> 0:50:13.440 he like Jaccalyn Murphy, Yeah, Jack Glen Murphy like pistol 0:50:13.440 --> 0:50:17.120 whips Careesi. So you know, Undercovers are wild, and I 0:50:17.200 --> 0:50:19.759 bet watching these two like measure their dicks and fight 0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:21.520 with each other is getting a lot of our listeners 0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:23.080 very horny because I know a lot of people love 0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:24.640 Dean Winters, a lot of people love Tomorrow. 0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:27.320 So this is a scene of these two. 0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:31.840 Guys really yeah, really, you know, trying to have a 0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:35.040 pissing contest. So in walks Benson and she's like, Cassidy, 0:50:35.120 --> 0:50:37.600 you ass and then Cassidy grabs her hand with both 0:50:37.600 --> 0:50:40.680 of his hands, you know, like a cupped shaking of hands, 0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:42.759 and immediately flirts with her, like, looks up and down 0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:45.799 and goes you look good. Like it's immediately there are 0:50:45.880 --> 0:50:48.920 vibes and he's like, look, I've been Undercovered with Ganzel 0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:51.120 for three years. I wasn't going to jeopardize that by like, 0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:55.440 you know, playing nice with you guys. And he doesn't 0:50:55.440 --> 0:50:59.160 know Maggie, and he knows all of Ganzell's girls very well, 0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:01.360 and they're like, maybe Carrissa brought her, And they're like, 0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:02.600 there's no way Carissa brought her. 0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:04.840 Carrisa's the queen Bee. And then he's like, oh, by 0:51:04.880 --> 0:51:05.440 the way, tomorrow. 0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:07.560 I heard you two hit it off, so word travels 0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:10.600 fast that you know, these two have a connect, and 0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:13.600 Liv gets these two to chill out. She's like, listen, Cassidy, 0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:15.239 we need the names of the girls. And he's like, 0:51:15.440 --> 0:51:17.719 go get that from Ganzel. And for me, you got 0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:19.440 to put me in wrikers for the night. Get we 0:51:19.440 --> 0:51:22.200 got to make this look good. And Amarro's like, one 0:51:22.200 --> 0:51:24.120 more thing, you and a Ganzel. We're kind of on 0:51:24.160 --> 0:51:26.279 your way out when we arrived, So did someone tip 0:51:26.320 --> 0:51:28.160 you guys off that we were coming? And Cassidy's like, 0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:31.200 who would do that? And he looks really cocky and 0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:33.839 really menacing, like you kind of can't sell, Like, oh, 0:51:33.880 --> 0:51:36.640 has has Cassidy been undercover too long? Because it seems 0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:38.879 like he's really loving, like hooking up with all these 0:51:38.960 --> 0:51:43.640 sex workers and you know, helping this man run a ring. 0:51:44.400 --> 0:51:46.680 Now we're in with Ganzel and he's being questioned by 0:51:46.680 --> 0:51:49.080 Finn and Rollins and he's like, Maggie is not my girl. 0:51:49.719 --> 0:51:51.520 And he's like, I have no clue how she got 0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:54.160 into the party. And he's asked every escort that he 0:51:54.280 --> 0:51:56.560 sent there that night and they all say that she 0:51:56.600 --> 0:51:59.359 came with Anya solar, but Anya hasn't returned to any 0:51:59.400 --> 0:52:01.799 of his calls, and they're like, describe Anya. She's a 0:52:01.840 --> 0:52:04.640 tall tan brunette, which is how they described the woman 0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:05.359 that you. 0:52:05.320 --> 0:52:07.480 Know, Maggie had been making out with earlier. 0:52:07.640 --> 0:52:10.959 And then yeah, Ganzel also adds that she's hot, and 0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:12.640 Finn's like, well, we got to talk to her, and 0:52:12.680 --> 0:52:17.360 Ganzelle's like, you don't have her, and like then Ganzell 0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:21.319 just goes, oh, man, that just sucks, like he knows 0:52:21.360 --> 0:52:26.160 that probably means this girl is dead, but he's like, oh, 0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:28.200 bomber Man, like it's just funny. 0:52:28.280 --> 0:52:29.800 He has funny reactions to things. 0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:33.480 Next scene, we're getting the scoop on Anya, like we're 0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:34.120 at the precinct. 0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:35.520 She's got a dozen aliases. 0:52:35.600 --> 0:52:37.880 She's from Columbia, she's twenty three, she's been in the 0:52:37.880 --> 0:52:39.080 country on a student visa. 0:52:39.120 --> 0:52:39.840 But oh guess what. 0:52:39.960 --> 0:52:43.080 She went back to Cartagena on Sunday and the doorman 0:52:43.160 --> 0:52:46.400 said she left in a hurry because he remembers everyone. 0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:49.319 And they found the purse she was carrying in the 0:52:49.360 --> 0:52:52.160 party footage, and in it is a bottle of scopolamine 0:52:52.200 --> 0:52:55.799 and it's made out to Anya Brown. So a lot 0:52:55.800 --> 0:52:58.880 of things are coming together here. So they're like, Okay, 0:52:58.880 --> 0:53:01.080 what's the deal? Anya bring Maggie to the party and 0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:03.560 then drugs her. There's like so many easier ways to 0:53:03.640 --> 0:53:06.600 kill someone. And they're like it was to cause a scandal. 0:53:06.680 --> 0:53:09.440 They wanted to hurt Clayton or hurt the commissioner or 0:53:09.480 --> 0:53:12.920 like hurt somebody, because you know, a dead escort at 0:53:12.920 --> 0:53:15.400 a party does not look great for anyone optics wise. 0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:19.239 And Anya was one of Ganzel's girls though, So let's 0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:22.680 go talk to Cassidy about it again. So they go 0:53:22.719 --> 0:53:26.040 see Cassidy at like a dive bar that has strippers 0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:28.440 in it. I really can't tell like where they are, like, 0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:29.520 it's not a strip club. 0:53:29.560 --> 0:53:32.680 It's like, well, is that like Jimbo's or like Jumbo's 0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:35.840 clown Room or whatever in La Yeah, but just or 0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:38.120 where Erica used to work in Jersey. 0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:41.040 Yeah, yeah, it's a good place where Erica Girardi used 0:53:41.080 --> 0:53:42.800 to work maybe, But even that had more of like 0:53:42.840 --> 0:53:46.399 a strip club vibe like the and Jumbo's has more 0:53:46.400 --> 0:53:48.759 of like a cabaret vibe, Like I don't know, this 0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:50.919 place looked like truly a dive bar where you would 0:53:50.960 --> 0:53:53.360 drink PBRs and then there's just a couple of girls 0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:54.200 shaking their butts. 0:53:54.560 --> 0:53:57.479 Actually across the street from the New Little Field, there's 0:53:57.560 --> 0:54:00.799 like a metally type bar that sometimes will dance on them. 0:54:00.960 --> 0:54:05.480 Oh okay, I get it, but yeah, I feel like 0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:08.200 I like that kind of vibe, more more casual. 0:54:09.640 --> 0:54:09.960 Yeah. 0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:12.120 Yeah, well, I would say it doesn't seem like the 0:54:12.160 --> 0:54:14.160 girls are the center of the action there. They're kind 0:54:14.200 --> 0:54:16.640 of just like it's like the way Go go boys 0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:18.520 are at Gabe what bars, kind of like they're not 0:54:18.600 --> 0:54:20.480 You're not there to watch them, but they're just like 0:54:20.520 --> 0:54:22.040 they're dancing and you love it, you know. 0:54:22.640 --> 0:54:22.920 Yeah. 0:54:22.960 --> 0:54:25.160 So they go see him there and he's at they're 0:54:25.160 --> 0:54:27.880 asking about Anya. He's being super cagey. He's saying a 0:54:27.880 --> 0:54:29.960 lot of throaty platitudes. 0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:33.040 Like hookers, never trust him, you know what's going on 0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:33.920 with you, Cassidy? 0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:38.279 And then Carissa arrives, kisses Cassidy on the mouth and 0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:40.200 then tells him the boss misses you, Like, I don't 0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:41.880 know what's going on with any of these people, what 0:54:41.920 --> 0:54:45.120 the relationships are. He tells Nick, why don't you and 0:54:45.160 --> 0:54:46.319 Carrissa go catch up? 0:54:46.360 --> 0:54:48.239 And he says it in a really funny way. Like, 0:54:48.280 --> 0:54:49.600 I like the way he says it. He goes, why 0:54:49.640 --> 0:54:50.719 don't you two go catch up? 0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:54.279 Like and now now that Nick's out of the way, 0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:56.360 he's like, I'll give Live the info, like this is 0:54:56.400 --> 0:54:59.239 my girl, okay. So he's like, listen, Anya, it was 0:54:59.280 --> 0:55:02.400 one of Delia's Wilson's top girls and then Ganzel stole 0:55:02.440 --> 0:55:02.880 her away. 0:55:03.320 --> 0:55:04.640 Live doesn't know who Delia is. 0:55:04.760 --> 0:55:09.160 Delia is runs a high profile, discreete matchmaking service. She's 0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:14.040 got politicians like really important people bfds. He says, big 0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:16.960 fucking deal. Two ex governors have her on their speed dial. 0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:21.239 Like she's got the high class clientele, and she was 0:55:21.320 --> 0:55:24.160 number one in town until Ganzel moved in, but now 0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:26.760 he's got the hottest girls and she's got the highest 0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:31.200 profile clients. And so they are like fighting feuding so 0:55:32.040 --> 0:55:34.200 over on the other side of the bar, Carisa's back 0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:37.200 to laying it on thick with Amara. She's like, I 0:55:37.200 --> 0:55:39.400 feel like I can tell you anything like I want to. 0:55:39.600 --> 0:55:42.520 It's like really really like hard to listen to. And 0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:45.600 he's like, don't work me, babe, Like amorrow, he's at 0:55:45.680 --> 0:55:48.600 least not fully following for it, and she's like, no, 0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:50.759 I'm serious, like I'm around if you want to talk 0:55:50.880 --> 0:55:53.920 or not talk or whatever, and he accuses her of 0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:55.759 trying to bribe a cop, and then she does a 0:55:55.800 --> 0:55:58.879 little bit more psychoanalyzing and says like, I know there's 0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:01.960 things you don't tell your part nerd It's like it's hilarious. 0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:05.640 And then he tries to shame her, like is this 0:56:05.680 --> 0:56:07.880 the life you dreamed of when you were little? And 0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:10.560 she's like, listen, I'm engaged to bart so I'm gonna 0:56:10.560 --> 0:56:13.600 be fine, Like I'm gonna have money. And he says, 0:56:13.760 --> 0:56:15.640 Ganzelle's gonna go down eventually, and you're going to go 0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:18.280 down with them, and she's like, do you like saving women? 0:56:18.360 --> 0:56:18.840 Detective? 0:56:19.000 --> 0:56:21.880 Like it's very her dialogue is all very cliche. I 0:56:21.880 --> 0:56:26.080 feel like in this episode Mary Soap opera, very neighbors, Yes, 0:56:26.360 --> 0:56:30.560 very neighbors, and you know they have their that's their 0:56:30.560 --> 0:56:33.160 cute little moment. So then Cassidy back to Cassidy and Live. 0:56:33.560 --> 0:56:35.680 He tells her that two months ago, Delia sent a 0:56:35.680 --> 0:56:38.120 couple goons over to the loft to threaten Ganzel, tell 0:56:38.160 --> 0:56:40.680 him to stop taking girls, stop taking clients. And now 0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:43.120 Ganzel's in the middle of this mess, so why didn't 0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:47.000 Ganzelle say hey, like this could be Delia, and it's like, oh, 0:56:47.080 --> 0:56:50.200 obviously ganzel wants to go after her himself. Like none 0:56:50.200 --> 0:56:52.040 of these people want the cops involved with any of this. 0:56:52.080 --> 0:56:54.600 They're going to do their own retaliation their own way. 0:56:55.200 --> 0:56:59.200 So Cassidy warns Live be careful. Nobody knows how deep 0:56:59.320 --> 0:57:03.919 Delia's hooked. Go Okay, So, like in when I'm first 0:57:03.960 --> 0:57:06.960 watching this episode, I'm envisioning, like, oh my god, who's Delia, 0:57:07.160 --> 0:57:09.439 Like she must be some the way Live looks when 0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:11.439 she gets dressed up in like a fur coat and says, 0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:13.360 I need I'm from Chicago and I need some girls 0:57:13.360 --> 0:57:16.200 for my party, you know, Like like I think she's 0:57:16.240 --> 0:57:19.960 going to be this like high class, expensive looking madam 0:57:20.640 --> 0:57:24.160 who wears expensive perfume or something. But in the next scene, 0:57:24.280 --> 0:57:26.360 we're on a farm in upstate New York and a 0:57:26.360 --> 0:57:28.560 blonde woman is leading the detectives out back to see 0:57:28.640 --> 0:57:30.560 Delia and telling them that they should have worn boots 0:57:30.600 --> 0:57:33.120 because they're currently walking through mud and shit, And we 0:57:33.200 --> 0:57:37.560 find Delia sitting and bottle feeding a baby goat and 0:57:37.600 --> 0:57:39.440 this is just not what I pictured it of a 0:57:39.480 --> 0:57:42.919 high level madam. She is played by brook Smith, who 0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:46.800 I love. She famously played Catherine Martin, the girl in 0:57:46.840 --> 0:57:49.120 the Well in the Klang Family classic The Silence of 0:57:49.160 --> 0:57:50.920 the Lambs, which you guys all know I bring up 0:57:50.960 --> 0:57:54.240 constantly on this podcast. She's also been in Big Sky 0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:57.640 Gray's Anatomy Weeds. Like the woman is constantly working, very talented, 0:57:57.840 --> 0:58:02.720 and she just is like wearing you know, like a 0:58:02.720 --> 0:58:06.560 flannel shirt, sweater and a sweater and like jeans and boots. 0:58:06.560 --> 0:58:07.440 It's like she's not. 0:58:07.720 --> 0:58:11.040 She's no make a yeah, very honest, very farm like 0:58:11.080 --> 0:58:13.439 a woman who owns an organic farm upstate New York. 0:58:14.400 --> 0:58:17.200 And she's like, well, it's like when we met Gusts 0:58:17.280 --> 0:58:21.200 and Breaking Bad, you know, the chicken guy, and we're like, whoa, yeah, 0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:24.680 you don't know where a giant and the crime pin. 0:58:25.080 --> 0:58:28.400 Is true and it's more interesting to sort of make 0:58:28.440 --> 0:58:31.040 it exactly what you're saying, like unexpected. 0:58:31.600 --> 0:58:32.520 So well they. 0:58:32.480 --> 0:58:34.080 Might they have to be if they're the best of 0:58:34.160 --> 0:58:37.000 the best, only like like we also assume. 0:58:36.800 --> 0:58:40.720 She's better than Genzel. Yeah, but it's all. 0:58:40.720 --> 0:58:43.600 He's competing with her, but she's not competing with him. 0:58:44.080 --> 0:58:44.520 Yeah. 0:58:44.680 --> 0:58:46.880 Yeah, but you also put a target on your back 0:58:46.880 --> 0:58:49.240 when you're like riding around in an escalade with like 0:58:49.280 --> 0:58:52.200 all the fancy shit and like eating at fancy restaurants. 0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:53.960 Like I think, if you lay low, you can just 0:58:54.040 --> 0:58:57.080 enjoy your accent, your your assets that you've hidden in 0:58:57.160 --> 0:59:01.000 offshore bank accounts. So anyway, she is sitting there feeding 0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:03.320 this cute little goat and the detectives ask her about 0:59:03.360 --> 0:59:06.080 Anya and Maggie and she's like, no, not ringing any bell. 0:59:06.160 --> 0:59:09.400 She plays it so casual. She seems like actually. 0:59:09.240 --> 0:59:12.560 Very confused about the line of questioning, like what's what's up, 0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:16.240 what's this about? And then they're like, tell us about 0:59:16.240 --> 0:59:18.520 your relationship with bart Ganzell and she's like, there is 0:59:18.600 --> 0:59:22.360 no relationship. I've heard of him, Like she's really downplaying it, 0:59:22.480 --> 0:59:25.360 like he's kind of inconsequential in my life. I don't care. 0:59:26.080 --> 0:59:28.840 And she's like, look, I'm a mother of three. Between 0:59:28.880 --> 0:59:31.440 taking care of them and my husband and the farm, 0:59:31.480 --> 0:59:33.480 I barely have a moment to myself. And she like 0:59:33.680 --> 0:59:36.160 she plays the juggling at all woman card to Benson. 0:59:36.200 --> 0:59:39.480 She's like, you can relate, detective, and then uh, when 0:59:39.520 --> 0:59:40.560 they call it, they're like, yeah, but. 0:59:40.480 --> 0:59:41.960 You have time to run an escort agency. 0:59:42.000 --> 0:59:44.440 She's like it's a matchmaking service, and it's a hobby, 0:59:45.080 --> 0:59:46.240 a mere side hustle. 0:59:46.440 --> 0:59:49.440 It's not a big part of my life. 0:59:50.120 --> 0:59:52.720 And she's playing dumb saying she's never met Ganzell, she 0:59:52.760 --> 0:59:55.080 doesn't even know anything about the poaching of girls or 0:59:55.120 --> 0:59:58.120 any of this, and she's so straight faced. She's just like, sorry, 0:59:58.160 --> 1:00:00.560 I've got nothing for you, Like ganze E seems like 1:00:00.600 --> 1:00:02.440 a criminal, but I'm sorry you came all this way 1:00:02.440 --> 1:00:05.360 for nothing. Like she's truly stonewalling them in a great, 1:00:06.000 --> 1:00:10.960 great performance, And in the next scene lives updating Craigan 1:00:11.000 --> 1:00:11.440 and she's. 1:00:11.320 --> 1:00:13.200 Like, I don't buy the Sunnybrook Farm act. 1:00:13.360 --> 1:00:16.480 She thinks Maggie was a full declaration of war from 1:00:16.560 --> 1:00:20.360 Delia to bart And and Craigin's like this woman like 1:00:20.400 --> 1:00:23.320 teaches Sunday school, she drives her kids to soccer games, 1:00:23.360 --> 1:00:26.439 like if she's a notorious like Madam, then it's it's 1:00:26.480 --> 1:00:30.680 honestly quite a front. And Weiss turns out investigated her 1:00:30.680 --> 1:00:32.880 for five years. Lives like, I'm trying to get the file, 1:00:33.000 --> 1:00:36.080 and Craigan's like, yeah, they didn't find anything. Why do 1:00:36.120 --> 1:00:37.960 you think, like you're not gonna find anything in the files? 1:00:38.040 --> 1:00:39.440 They never find anything. Why do you think she's never 1:00:39.480 --> 1:00:41.600 been prosecuted and lives like, so you want me to 1:00:41.680 --> 1:00:44.800 drop a good lead, and Craigan hands her an envelope 1:00:44.840 --> 1:00:47.120 that was slid under his apartment door, and it is 1:00:47.120 --> 1:00:50.640 a photo of him from the Russian Bride's episode, which 1:00:50.680 --> 1:00:53.560 if you can remember, they send Craigan undercover with this 1:00:53.640 --> 1:00:57.400 sex worker named Lena and they're all canoodling at the 1:00:57.440 --> 1:00:59.920 restaurant and there's photos of these are photos of that, 1:01:00.400 --> 1:01:03.920 and he's undercover and Benson's like, this is totally legit, 1:01:04.040 --> 1:01:06.080 and He's like yeah, but taken out of context, it 1:01:06.120 --> 1:01:09.000 looks really bad. So Daddy Craigan says he's going to 1:01:09.080 --> 1:01:12.560 have to recuse himself and SVU from this case, and 1:01:12.680 --> 1:01:14.600 liv is like upset that this is going to get 1:01:14.680 --> 1:01:16.720 kicked to one PP when they could be the ones 1:01:16.720 --> 1:01:19.280 who lead these photos in the first place. And then 1:01:19.600 --> 1:01:24.000 they get interrupted, as every single scene in the show 1:01:24.440 --> 1:01:26.840 ends with someone coming in and going, we got something, 1:01:26.960 --> 1:01:28.520 so something has gone down. 1:01:28.880 --> 1:01:30.320 The next scene, we're. 1:01:30.120 --> 1:01:33.400 At the Fifth Avenue office of the former Governor Harrison Fletcher, 1:01:34.080 --> 1:01:36.880 and the former governor was apparently they're late working on 1:01:36.920 --> 1:01:38.920 his memoir with his assistant and had a heart attack, 1:01:39.080 --> 1:01:41.560 So why do we call SVU? The guy there goes, 1:01:41.600 --> 1:01:43.880 I mean, I'm no expert, but the guy's pants are 1:01:43.960 --> 1:01:47.880 unzipped and they're on backwards. So then they pan to 1:01:47.920 --> 1:01:51.200 the victim and it's this old man sitting upright on 1:01:51.280 --> 1:01:55.200 like a fancy leather couch, eyes wide open, like not 1:01:55.240 --> 1:01:58.000 even slumped, just as if he were alive but dead. 1:01:58.560 --> 1:02:01.920 And yeah, answer on backwards. So that's fucked. 1:02:02.000 --> 1:02:05.520 And I guess now Delia only has one former governor 1:02:06.280 --> 1:02:07.560 to be on their speed dial. 1:02:07.720 --> 1:02:10.760 So that's the end of act three. 1:02:10.840 --> 1:02:13.280 And at the top of act four, the assistant is 1:02:13.320 --> 1:02:16.120 telling Rollins and Finn, we were editing chapter seven of 1:02:16.160 --> 1:02:18.320 his book and he just keeled over. She's not very 1:02:18.320 --> 1:02:20.680 good with the details of this woman. She seems very flustered. 1:02:20.840 --> 1:02:24.160 They ask about the backward pants and she immediately admits everything. 1:02:24.280 --> 1:02:25.960 That the governor was actually getting a. 1:02:25.880 --> 1:02:29.200 Massage when he died, and that his aid called her 1:02:29.240 --> 1:02:31.280 over and that's when they met, and they dressed him 1:02:31.280 --> 1:02:33.040 because he was Nudi judy on the couch and they 1:02:33.040 --> 1:02:34.880 did not want his wife and kids to find out 1:02:34.920 --> 1:02:37.800 that he died getting a happy ending, as Finn says, 1:02:38.160 --> 1:02:40.840 and then she points them to the rolodex and is like, 1:02:40.880 --> 1:02:42.680 the messuse's contact is in there. 1:02:42.760 --> 1:02:45.800 And then Finn really shades. 1:02:45.400 --> 1:02:48.160 The assistant after she leaves and goes, oh, man, that 1:02:48.200 --> 1:02:50.400 makes me feel better, knowing that the assistant's face isn't 1:02:50.440 --> 1:02:51.960 the last one he saw before he died. 1:02:52.040 --> 1:02:55.160 It's like, Finn, don't be mean to this one. I 1:02:55.920 --> 1:02:58.760 miss that. I miss that. He says, like, oh, I 1:02:58.800 --> 1:03:00.479 hate to think that was the last phase he saw 1:03:00.520 --> 1:03:01.080 before he died. 1:03:01.120 --> 1:03:04.600 I was like, shit, it's like just this like little frumpy, 1:03:04.600 --> 1:03:09.600 little assistant woman. Anyway, Melinda, with the scoop as always, 1:03:09.640 --> 1:03:12.920 tells us that this guy did not really die. He 1:03:12.960 --> 1:03:14.280 did die of a heart attack, but it was not 1:03:14.280 --> 1:03:16.960 because of low blood blood pressure. He had heart meds 1:03:16.960 --> 1:03:20.040 in a system alcohol as well as two hundred milligrams 1:03:20.040 --> 1:03:23.280 of Viagara, which is four times the dosage, plus eight 1:03:23.320 --> 1:03:29.280 milligrams of She's back scopolamine. So it was murder. But 1:03:29.360 --> 1:03:32.080 why would Delia kill a client? This must be ganza 1:03:32.240 --> 1:03:34.720 a murder what But was it murder? 1:03:34.800 --> 1:03:37.760 But was it murder? So why would Delia kill a client? 1:03:38.000 --> 1:03:40.960 This must be Ganzell striking back at Telia. So they 1:03:41.000 --> 1:03:42.560 bring them a sus into interrogation. 1:03:42.680 --> 1:03:43.200 So funny. 1:03:43.280 --> 1:03:46.080 It's like they're getting back at each other, but everyone 1:03:46.080 --> 1:03:49.280 else is getting murdered. Like it's not even like their 1:03:49.320 --> 1:03:52.160 properties damaged, kill one of the it's like they're just 1:03:52.280 --> 1:03:55.240 killing the governor, like what the fuck? 1:03:55.440 --> 1:03:58.400 And like sixteen year old girls who ran away from 1:03:58.440 --> 1:04:01.200 foster care, Like I think, I don't know. These are 1:04:01.240 --> 1:04:06.040 bad people truly, but they bring this messuse into interrogation. 1:04:06.200 --> 1:04:08.720 She says she didn't kill him. She sees him every week, 1:04:08.760 --> 1:04:12.120 twice a week. She knows that he is on heart medication, 1:04:12.200 --> 1:04:15.120 he's not allowed to take Viagara all that stuff. Rollins 1:04:15.200 --> 1:04:17.800 is like, we could support you back to Japan, and 1:04:17.880 --> 1:04:21.000 she's like, no, listen. When I got there, he was dead. 1:04:21.040 --> 1:04:23.000 He was lying on the couch, not moving or breathing, 1:04:23.040 --> 1:04:25.320 and he was naked. She was afraid to call nine 1:04:25.360 --> 1:04:27.800 one one, so she called Iris. Iris is her booker 1:04:27.840 --> 1:04:31.120 at the agency, and she told her get out of there, 1:04:31.360 --> 1:04:33.840 so the Messuse left. She was like, he was a 1:04:33.920 --> 1:04:36.600 very nice man, very generous and very quick. 1:04:37.760 --> 1:04:39.680 You know, that's the best you can ask for, I think. 1:04:40.240 --> 1:04:42.959 And now they're questioning Iris, and this is the woman 1:04:43.000 --> 1:04:47.320 who was walking the detectives back to meet Delia at 1:04:47.320 --> 1:04:49.600 the farm. This is the blonde woman and her name 1:04:49.800 --> 1:04:53.960 is This actress's name is Amy Hargraves, and she actually 1:04:54.000 --> 1:04:57.320 played Carrie Matheson's sister on Homeland, and she was the 1:04:57.360 --> 1:04:59.800 main dude's mom in Thirteen Reasons Why I knew I 1:04:59.800 --> 1:05:01.080 reck a nicer from a bunch of stuff. 1:05:01.120 --> 1:05:02.360 But she's she's worked on a bunch of. 1:05:02.400 --> 1:05:04.720 Things, and those are just two that I remember, and 1:05:05.840 --> 1:05:08.320 she confirms the Messusa story. She's like, listen, I told 1:05:08.320 --> 1:05:10.120 her to leave, and then I called the Governor's aid 1:05:10.240 --> 1:05:12.959 right away, and Iris said she didn't know anything about 1:05:12.960 --> 1:05:15.600 the drugs that killed the governor and lives like, you've 1:05:15.640 --> 1:05:18.840 got two daughters, right like, if you don't like start 1:05:18.880 --> 1:05:20.840 helping us out, you're going to be they're going to 1:05:20.880 --> 1:05:23.400 be teenagers before you get out of jail. And then 1:05:24.080 --> 1:05:28.280 Daddy Cragan walks in, followed by defense attorney Marvin Exley 1:05:28.400 --> 1:05:29.960 played by Ron Rifkin. 1:05:30.280 --> 1:05:30.920 A legend. 1:05:31.320 --> 1:05:34.960 He's played this character Marvin Exley in seven s VU episodes, 1:05:34.960 --> 1:05:36.400 so we've seen him before. I think he was in 1:05:36.440 --> 1:05:39.000 producers back end. 1:05:39.080 --> 1:05:41.960 Yeah, he was in producers back end. And he tells 1:05:42.000 --> 1:05:44.280 me you gotta be rich to work with Marvin Xley. 1:05:44.400 --> 1:05:45.160 Yeah, exactly. 1:05:45.720 --> 1:05:49.040 He tells Iris to shut the fuck up, and Live says, 1:05:49.200 --> 1:05:51.560 you should help yourself, and he's like, I think she's 1:05:51.560 --> 1:05:54.320 going to be quiet, right Iris, And Iris is like, nah, 1:05:54.320 --> 1:05:55.960 fuck this, I'm not going down for this. 1:05:56.360 --> 1:05:58.880 I'll talk to the detectives by myself, which I think 1:05:58.880 --> 1:06:02.480 that's a big mistake, mistake, you know. But she thinks 1:06:02.480 --> 1:06:03.000 that they're. 1:06:02.840 --> 1:06:05.400 Gonna die, like your daughters will be killed or you 1:06:05.440 --> 1:06:07.400 will be killed, Like why are you fucking with them? 1:06:07.440 --> 1:06:09.960 And also they like have nothing on you. You weren't the. 1:06:09.920 --> 1:06:11.520 Scene, like they don't really have. 1:06:11.480 --> 1:06:13.520 Anything on you. Iris, Like it's kind of I know, 1:06:13.600 --> 1:06:14.600 Livia is telling. 1:06:14.360 --> 1:06:18.400 You you're going to s Yeah, I don't know. So 1:06:18.440 --> 1:06:20.680 the next thing we see are a ton of cops 1:06:20.760 --> 1:06:23.960 rolling up on Sunnybrook Farm. Marvin Xley's already there, He's 1:06:24.000 --> 1:06:27.280 beaten them there. They arrest her. She says, I make 1:06:27.320 --> 1:06:29.560 fresh goat cheese and help people find love. There's no 1:06:29.720 --> 1:06:33.400 crime here, and Axley says one of Ganzel's whores must 1:06:33.400 --> 1:06:35.800 have killed the governor, and Live says, great, do you 1:06:35.800 --> 1:06:39.760 have any evidence of that? And then at arraignment, We've 1:06:39.760 --> 1:06:43.240 got Ada Rose Callier, who is played by Tabitha Hulbert, 1:06:43.280 --> 1:06:44.840 and she is like an EIGHTA that we haven't really 1:06:44.880 --> 1:06:48.480 talked about before. She is sprinkled a little bit throughout 1:06:48.520 --> 1:06:51.840 season thirteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, and eighteen, but she's usually 1:06:51.880 --> 1:06:54.120 just in like one to two episodes per season, so 1:06:54.200 --> 1:06:56.200 I think we haven't really gotten a sense of her yet. 1:06:56.200 --> 1:07:00.080 But she is one of the eighty as, and she's like, 1:07:00.360 --> 1:07:02.200 your honor, we have evidence that this is a madam 1:07:02.200 --> 1:07:04.800 who's been running a prostitution ring for a decade, and 1:07:04.880 --> 1:07:08.240 Exley's arguing she's a farmer and a mom and a matchmaker. 1:07:08.280 --> 1:07:11.200 She has no assets, and then the Ada is like, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:07:11.200 --> 1:07:14.240 all the assets are overseas in Anguela in accounts that 1:07:14.480 --> 1:07:17.200 Marvin Exley helped to set up. So actually we're asking 1:07:17.200 --> 1:07:19.800 that he be dismissed his counsel, and Marvin Exley's like, 1:07:20.000 --> 1:07:22.800 this is a witch hunt, which Republicans love to talk about. 1:07:23.040 --> 1:07:25.600 And then the judge sets the bail at two million dollars, 1:07:25.640 --> 1:07:27.960 which you immediately get the sense that that's not going 1:07:28.000 --> 1:07:30.480 to be that hard for Delia. But she gets out 1:07:30.520 --> 1:07:34.080 on bail immediately her lawyer put his own townhouse up 1:07:34.600 --> 1:07:37.680 up for collateral to bail her out, and Exley walks 1:07:37.720 --> 1:07:39.919 over and goes, yeah, I put my townhouse up. We're 1:07:39.920 --> 1:07:42.560 wor old pals, and you guys do not get how 1:07:42.600 --> 1:07:43.600 deep this shit runs. 1:07:43.880 --> 1:07:46.320 She's avoided arrest for ten years. How do you think 1:07:46.360 --> 1:07:46.760 she did that? 1:07:47.160 --> 1:07:50.160 She's got the goods on all your bosses, your future bosses, 1:07:50.240 --> 1:07:53.680 everyone at the top. And he's like, oh, Like he's like, 1:07:53.880 --> 1:07:55.640 live you think you and your pal Hayden are going 1:07:55.720 --> 1:07:58.160 to stop her? You're in over your head and he's like, 1:07:58.200 --> 1:08:02.960 my expert advice is walk away, little people, okay, And 1:08:03.080 --> 1:08:05.520 from Ron Rifkin you kind of believe it, like he's 1:08:05.560 --> 1:08:09.720 really I'm scared. Amorrow is like back off, dude, and 1:08:09.720 --> 1:08:12.280 Nextuley goes, you think your marriage is rocky, Now wait 1:08:12.320 --> 1:08:14.680 till the missus hears about your little relationship with the 1:08:14.680 --> 1:08:17.200 star witness. So it's like everyone in town knows about 1:08:17.200 --> 1:08:20.160 Carissa and Tomorrow flirting with each other. And then he's 1:08:20.200 --> 1:08:22.400 just kind of like mic drop Rifkin out. 1:08:22.479 --> 1:08:23.400 He just walks away. 1:08:23.920 --> 1:08:26.559 Craigan's like, uh, yeah, Wemorrow, is there anything you want 1:08:26.560 --> 1:08:28.599 to tell me? And Tomorrow's like, nope, we're good. And 1:08:28.640 --> 1:08:32.679 then outside the precinct at night, Amorrow's walking to his car, 1:08:32.720 --> 1:08:36.639 it seems when he gets approached by Carrissa, she looks scared. 1:08:36.920 --> 1:08:39.200 He's like, let's go inside, but she looks so nervous. 1:08:39.439 --> 1:08:41.040 She's like, if I tell you what I know about 1:08:41.040 --> 1:08:43.760 the Governor's death, can you protect me. She thinks she's 1:08:43.760 --> 1:08:46.360 the next casualty in this war between Delia and Ganzell. 1:08:46.720 --> 1:08:49.080 And he says he can protect her, but like, let's 1:08:49.080 --> 1:08:51.720 go inside, and she's like she gets all freaked out 1:08:51.720 --> 1:08:53.360 and goes, no, no, no, this was a mistake and run 1:08:53.400 --> 1:08:55.200 starts to run off, and Nick's like, first, let me 1:08:55.200 --> 1:08:57.040 give you my business card, and he's like, call me 1:08:57.080 --> 1:09:00.680 if you need me, so you know what's going on. 1:09:01.680 --> 1:09:04.519 The final scene of the show, we see a close 1:09:04.600 --> 1:09:07.280 up of a vodka bottle on a nightstand and then 1:09:07.400 --> 1:09:11.400 shockingly pan over to find Daddy Kragan walk waking up confused. Now, 1:09:11.400 --> 1:09:14.479 if you don't remember, he's a recovering alcoholic. He does 1:09:14.479 --> 1:09:16.719 not drink. Why is there a vodka bottle on his nightstand? 1:09:17.200 --> 1:09:20.920 He immediately sees blood on his own hand. He sees 1:09:21.000 --> 1:09:23.559 a woman's arm coming out from underneath the covers. He 1:09:23.600 --> 1:09:27.920 pulls back the comforter and done done. It's fucking Carissa 1:09:28.439 --> 1:09:32.200 lying in her bed with her throat slit dead. Daddy 1:09:32.240 --> 1:09:35.360 Kragan is shaking in his Haines white tank top. And 1:09:35.400 --> 1:09:40.720 that is Dick Wolf baby. A wild episode. And this 1:09:40.800 --> 1:09:44.280 is the season thirteen finale. Season fourteen opens with a 1:09:44.280 --> 1:09:47.760 two parter called Lost Reputation and Above Suspicion. And we 1:09:47.800 --> 1:09:49.839 will be covering one of those episodes in the future, 1:09:49.880 --> 1:09:50.880 so do not worry. 1:09:51.520 --> 1:09:52.280 We will get back there. 1:09:52.320 --> 1:09:58.040 I remember this, like this finale shook my life, Like 1:09:58.200 --> 1:10:00.280 I remember this being like what off? 1:10:00.360 --> 1:10:02.639 Fuck? Like I couldn't what. Yeah? 1:10:02.760 --> 1:10:06.479 Great, Yeah, television, you used to have to make you 1:10:06.560 --> 1:10:08.800 like want more at the end of the summer to 1:10:08.920 --> 1:10:09.400 come back. 1:10:09.560 --> 1:10:11.519 Yeah, it's like and they made you. 1:10:11.600 --> 1:10:15.120 Wait, it's a full Godfather reference, like leaving a horse 1:10:15.120 --> 1:10:17.799 head in someone's bed, like leaving a dead sex worker 1:10:17.840 --> 1:10:21.439 who's like the star of the investigation, who also is 1:10:21.479 --> 1:10:27.080 engaged to one of these king pimps. Right, Like it's wild. 1:10:27.280 --> 1:10:31.840 But anyway, that's all for Carissa. We'll be back with 1:10:32.040 --> 1:10:34.080 We'll be back with them crime. 1:10:46.920 --> 1:10:47.320 All right. 1:10:47.560 --> 1:10:51.120 So this is you know, there's obviously layers and layers 1:10:51.120 --> 1:10:54.000 of crimes. Are just gonna focus on one. It's the 1:10:54.040 --> 1:10:56.840 Greg Calli rape allegation. Now, Kara, do. 1:10:56.840 --> 1:10:59.599 You remember this happening while you were here in New York? Yes? 1:11:00.120 --> 1:11:04.280 Yes, because Greg Kelly it used to be on like 1:11:04.880 --> 1:11:07.599 I think, like Fox's Morning show locally in New York 1:11:07.680 --> 1:11:12.200 with Rosanna Scatto, and she's very like personable and lovable. 1:11:12.280 --> 1:11:16.120 He's like a full idiot, like he would constantly be 1:11:16.439 --> 1:11:18.720 on the Soup. The Soup would always show clips of 1:11:18.720 --> 1:11:21.120 Greg Kelly because he would just always say stupid shit 1:11:21.280 --> 1:11:23.880 or like stuff that was seemed like pervy or I 1:11:23.880 --> 1:11:26.240 don't know, like he just this did not like surprise 1:11:26.280 --> 1:11:27.760 me when I heard it. I think what surprised me 1:11:27.800 --> 1:11:30.240 was I didn't know how connected he was. So why 1:11:30.200 --> 1:11:31.160 I'll let you get into that. 1:11:31.479 --> 1:11:31.839 Yeah. 1:11:31.920 --> 1:11:35.880 So Greg Kelly, like Kara said, is a local TV anchor. 1:11:36.640 --> 1:11:38.920 And who is he though? He is the son of. 1:11:38.880 --> 1:11:42.320 The police commissioner at the time, So that's Raymond W. 1:11:42.479 --> 1:11:43.599 Kelly. So we have a. 1:11:43.560 --> 1:11:46.760 Police commissioner's son who's a reporter. I think you can 1:11:46.800 --> 1:11:49.960 see the direct link to the episode. 1:11:50.680 --> 1:11:53.759 Unless he's like Clayton, he's like Clayton and will Brady 1:11:53.800 --> 1:11:56.839 combined into one care like they separated them as characters 1:11:56.880 --> 1:11:57.120 for this. 1:11:57.280 --> 1:12:00.320 But yeah, yeah, he is still working. 1:12:00.400 --> 1:12:04.160 But on his own show on Newsmax Network that's whatever. 1:12:04.320 --> 1:12:06.920 That's right wing, that's oh. 1:12:06.680 --> 1:12:10.519 Yeah, so says he's a radio host and podcast or whatever. 1:12:10.720 --> 1:12:12.599 But I went on his Twitter and he's a very 1:12:12.600 --> 1:12:16.280 big a Hunter Biden laptop guy. Yeah that says big 1:12:16.320 --> 1:12:19.720 thing and what I always am, Like, Okay, let's say 1:12:19.720 --> 1:12:22.240 this Hunter Biden sucks. He has no power, he's not 1:12:22.240 --> 1:12:26.120 in the government. Yeah, like who cares, you know what 1:12:26.120 --> 1:12:28.559 I mean, Like, he's not working. I just don't understand 1:12:28.560 --> 1:12:30.439 who he has to be good for. Like I don't 1:12:30.479 --> 1:12:33.960 understand why his laptop is important. He doesn't work. He's 1:12:34.000 --> 1:12:36.320 just like a kokehead son. Like I don't get it. 1:12:36.479 --> 1:12:36.960 I know it. 1:12:36.960 --> 1:12:39.519 They all think that he's involved with like all this 1:12:39.680 --> 1:12:42.800 government corruption and stuff. It's like it's wild. It's like, 1:12:42.880 --> 1:12:44.280 don't I don't want to get a look at Eric 1:12:44.320 --> 1:12:45.080 Trump's laptop. 1:12:45.120 --> 1:12:46.760 I wouldn't want to know what the fuck is on there. 1:12:47.880 --> 1:12:51.240 Well, yeah, so once you see yeah Hunter Biden stuff, 1:12:51.280 --> 1:12:54.640 you know he's wild. He reposts and loves Ben Shapiro. 1:12:55.479 --> 1:12:58.240 He's had Eric Trump as a guest on his show. 1:12:59.000 --> 1:13:03.040 He called the rate of mar A Lago a legal atrocity. 1:13:03.280 --> 1:13:07.760 So this is this guy, Okay, yeah, so unfavorable to 1:13:07.880 --> 1:13:10.960 us immediately at the time of the case though, he 1:13:11.040 --> 1:13:13.080 was an anchor on Good Day New York on Channel 1:13:13.120 --> 1:13:16.280 five and a former New York one political reporter, and 1:13:16.360 --> 1:13:18.719 he has other credits and like the military and stuff. 1:13:18.760 --> 1:13:22.800 But this BuzzFeed news thing included the soup. It's like, 1:13:22.840 --> 1:13:25.080 this guy is such a laughing stock, like they were, 1:13:25.120 --> 1:13:28.479 Like he's most known from his often being on the soup. 1:13:30.000 --> 1:13:32.040 Yeah, because I didn't watch Good Day New York. 1:13:32.120 --> 1:13:36.400 I just knew everything about them from the soup, like. 1:13:36.640 --> 1:13:37.400 All the time. 1:13:38.600 --> 1:13:40.760 So he was accused of raping a young woman in 1:13:40.800 --> 1:13:44.880 Lower Manhattan in October twenty eleven. There was obviously a 1:13:44.880 --> 1:13:47.760 conflict of interest from the police department to investigate the 1:13:47.800 --> 1:13:52.120 sexual assault accusation since it was the commissioner's son, so 1:13:52.160 --> 1:13:54.559 the case was handed over to the office of the 1:13:54.600 --> 1:13:56.400 District Attorney, Cyrus R. 1:13:56.680 --> 1:13:57.639 Vance Junior. 1:13:58.760 --> 1:14:03.559 He of course denied the accusation, but the woman was 1:14:03.600 --> 1:14:05.880 in her late Can you imagine someone being like I 1:14:05.920 --> 1:14:08.200 did do it. I did do it. Yeah, So where 1:14:08.240 --> 1:14:14.680 do we go from here? I have never never seen that. Yeah. 1:14:14.760 --> 1:14:17.200 So the woman was in her late twenties early thirties. 1:14:17.240 --> 1:14:21.639 She was twenty nine and a paralegal, but the media 1:14:21.760 --> 1:14:26.040 kept describing her as an aspiring model actress. But like 1:14:26.479 --> 1:14:29.240 she kind of dabbled and she was a paralegal. Like, 1:14:30.120 --> 1:14:32.160 there's a lot of spin in this case. It's really 1:14:32.160 --> 1:14:36.080 frustrating because he's so connected that you don't like, within 1:14:36.120 --> 1:14:38.400 the media and the police, you really don't know the 1:14:38.439 --> 1:14:40.040 truth and the spin that's really happens. 1:14:40.280 --> 1:14:41.759 A lot of shady stuff happens. 1:14:41.800 --> 1:14:44.400 It's such a spin because paralegal makes it seem like 1:14:44.439 --> 1:14:48.320 this woman knows the difference between consensual and nonconsensual sex, 1:14:48.360 --> 1:14:51.120 and aspiring model actress makes people think this is a 1:14:51.160 --> 1:14:53.600 woman who will do anything to get famous, you know. 1:14:54.479 --> 1:14:56.439 Yeah, that's that's yeah. 1:14:56.800 --> 1:15:00.400 So she walked into the thirteenth Precinct station house with 1:15:00.479 --> 1:15:02.600 her sister on Tuesday after eight pm in. 1:15:02.640 --> 1:15:03.839 January twenty twelve. 1:15:04.240 --> 1:15:07.120 The attack did happen in October, this is January. 1:15:07.160 --> 1:15:08.600 It took her a while to disclose. 1:15:09.000 --> 1:15:11.720 She said that she met Kellyana the street and the 1:15:11.760 --> 1:15:14.120 two went to the South Street Seaport for drinks on 1:15:14.120 --> 1:15:17.840 October eighth, and then went to her office and to 1:15:17.880 --> 1:15:20.160 her downtown law firm, and that's where she told police 1:15:20.200 --> 1:15:23.960 the rape occurred. So this is from the New York Times, 1:15:24.000 --> 1:15:26.160 and it's tied in with the police like all of that. 1:15:26.320 --> 1:15:28.920 It's really a hard time reading the spin or like 1:15:29.160 --> 1:15:31.960 you know, seeing the article for what it is because 1:15:32.000 --> 1:15:35.519 of all these connections. So the article claimed that she 1:15:35.600 --> 1:15:38.000 later told her boyfriend about the night, and he became 1:15:38.120 --> 1:15:41.519 angry and approached the police commissioner at a public event 1:15:41.680 --> 1:15:44.200 and told him that his son sexually assaulted his girlfriend. 1:15:45.000 --> 1:15:48.400 And so you know that's they use that to spin 1:15:48.479 --> 1:15:51.360 it as like she actually just cheated on her boyfriend 1:15:51.360 --> 1:15:53.479 and he got mad, so she cried rape. So that's 1:15:53.520 --> 1:15:57.880 like their big kind of story. But the commissioner confirms 1:15:57.880 --> 1:16:01.479 this interaction. And so the boyfriend told him that his 1:16:01.560 --> 1:16:04.960 son had ruined his girlfriend's life, and the commissioner told. 1:16:04.880 --> 1:16:06.280 Him, why don't you go write a letter? 1:16:07.439 --> 1:16:10.720 Wow, So basically he was running on the secret, like 1:16:10.760 --> 1:16:13.280 he was like outside and he saw the commissioner doing 1:16:13.320 --> 1:16:15.599 some sort of speech. Event I get in more details 1:16:15.640 --> 1:16:18.080 about it, but like approached while he was on his run. 1:16:18.200 --> 1:16:19.519 He was like, I gotta take my shot. 1:16:19.560 --> 1:16:21.120 If I don't take my shot, I'm going to regret 1:16:21.120 --> 1:16:24.160 it forever and was like your son, And the commissioner 1:16:24.200 --> 1:16:24.400 was like. 1:16:24.320 --> 1:16:26.880 Why don't you write a letter? And that was that. 1:16:26.960 --> 1:16:29.040 So they both confirmed that that interaction. 1:16:28.680 --> 1:16:32.599 Did happen, but the charges were eventually dropped and never 1:16:32.640 --> 1:16:36.760 went forward. But sixteen days after she reported it, her 1:16:36.800 --> 1:16:38.439 picture was on the front page of The New York 1:16:38.479 --> 1:16:40.160 Post with the headline shady lady. 1:16:41.120 --> 1:16:42.760 This is why the New York Post is like the 1:16:42.760 --> 1:16:44.360 most disgusting publication. 1:16:44.920 --> 1:16:48.679 So February twenty twelve, the DA Sex Crimes Unit chief 1:16:48.720 --> 1:16:52.280 sent a letter to Kelly's lawyer declaring her office's investigation 1:16:52.400 --> 1:16:55.800 found no criminal charges were appropriate, and right after that, 1:16:55.920 --> 1:16:59.679 the Post dropped its identity protection so early in the case, 1:16:59.760 --> 1:17:03.000 no outlets named her, following a long accepted media standard 1:17:03.040 --> 1:17:05.640 in protecting the identities of sex crime victims unless they 1:17:05.680 --> 1:17:06.759 publicly come forward. 1:17:07.320 --> 1:17:09.680 So it was secret, secret, secret, and. 1:17:09.680 --> 1:17:13.080 Then it's like immediately charges dropped and her faces everywhere 1:17:13.120 --> 1:17:15.120 and like smearing her and what a liar she is. 1:17:16.320 --> 1:17:17.679 So that's pretty fucked. 1:17:17.680 --> 1:17:21.120 But it wasn't even just the post like immediately it happened. 1:17:21.720 --> 1:17:25.920 So two years later, this woman, finally, Maria de Toro, 1:17:26.240 --> 1:17:29.040 the accuser, went public for the first time to BuzzFeed News. 1:17:29.080 --> 1:17:30.439 So that is in twenty fourteen. 1:17:30.920 --> 1:17:34.559 So from twenty twelve to then, she didn't really say anything, 1:17:34.720 --> 1:17:37.680 but this is when she decided to talk, and she 1:17:37.800 --> 1:17:40.559 says the you know how the tabloids eventually moved on, 1:17:40.760 --> 1:17:44.080 but she didn't know how to move on, like you know, 1:17:44.160 --> 1:17:47.280 she was just like this salacious tale, but like she 1:17:47.320 --> 1:17:49.479 had to deal with this like trauma for a long time. 1:17:50.240 --> 1:17:53.400 She was scared into submission, she said, and she couldn't 1:17:53.439 --> 1:17:55.680 say anything to the press because her statement to the 1:17:55.720 --> 1:17:58.439 police was twisted, and so she was scared of what 1:17:58.520 --> 1:18:01.040 happened again if she did an interview, Like you know, 1:18:01.120 --> 1:18:03.360 she just didn't feel like her words were being taken 1:18:04.520 --> 1:18:09.000 at face value and like used as such, and with 1:18:09.040 --> 1:18:11.960 all the connections, she was right to be suspicious of everything. 1:18:12.360 --> 1:18:16.040 Like the DA's office denied Buzzfeeds freedom of information law 1:18:16.080 --> 1:18:19.000 request for De Toro's report, which is sealed, and de 1:18:19.160 --> 1:18:22.680 Toro was also denied a request to obtain her own records. 1:18:23.680 --> 1:18:26.080 That's crazy, So I don't. 1:18:25.880 --> 1:18:29.080 Really know how, but if it's like I guess, if 1:18:29.080 --> 1:18:30.400 this law is really should be. 1:18:30.640 --> 1:18:33.320 But yeah, everything is sealed, you cannot see anything. 1:18:34.560 --> 1:18:37.080 Yet some of the information was leaked into the press 1:18:37.080 --> 1:18:39.720 in the early twenty twelve. So she said that they 1:18:39.720 --> 1:18:41.960 met on Third Avenue when she was walking her dog 1:18:42.360 --> 1:18:45.000 and she recognized him and they chatted and he asked 1:18:45.040 --> 1:18:47.880 for her phone number and she did give it, so 1:18:47.920 --> 1:18:50.080 she told her sister, and her sister had posted that 1:18:50.160 --> 1:18:52.880 he asked for her phone number on Facebook. So then 1:18:52.920 --> 1:18:55.439 they texted, and then the next Friday, he called her 1:18:55.439 --> 1:18:58.519 at her office and asked what her favorite sexual position was. 1:18:59.320 --> 1:19:02.760 So the text, she said, became more casual, trusting, and 1:19:02.840 --> 1:19:07.360 consensually explicit. The next day, on October eighth, de Toro 1:19:07.520 --> 1:19:09.880 told Kelly she was going to her office on Wall 1:19:09.920 --> 1:19:13.120 Street around noon to finish up some work, and he 1:19:13.200 --> 1:19:17.040 allegedly suggested meeting up when she was done. And yeah, 1:19:17.200 --> 1:19:20.080 so everyone said, yes, we're meeting up. She told her 1:19:20.120 --> 1:19:22.240 boyfriend of three years that she was getting drinks with 1:19:22.280 --> 1:19:25.240 a girlfriend. So obviously you can see the messiness of 1:19:25.280 --> 1:19:27.040 this case investigation. 1:19:28.280 --> 1:19:31.759 So they met up and headed towards the seaport. 1:19:32.000 --> 1:19:33.680 So she claims that they both knew that they were 1:19:33.720 --> 1:19:36.280 both dating other people, and that she had told him 1:19:36.280 --> 1:19:39.280 that like nothing is going to happen between them, and 1:19:39.479 --> 1:19:41.960 they chatted about that as they walked and talked to 1:19:42.000 --> 1:19:45.720 get drinks at Jeremy's alehouse. The convo over drinks got 1:19:45.720 --> 1:19:49.200 more explicit sexual and filled with admissions of fetishes and 1:19:49.240 --> 1:19:50.440 sexual experiences. 1:19:50.960 --> 1:19:51.439 She says. 1:19:51.520 --> 1:19:53.720 After taking a few SIPs of her third drink, she 1:19:53.760 --> 1:19:58.000 said she felt like suddenly, like super strongly impaired, and 1:19:58.040 --> 1:20:01.839 they left the bar and her memor became just clips 1:20:01.880 --> 1:20:04.040 and visions and a blur, and she said it was 1:20:04.080 --> 1:20:06.400 fucked like she only had two drinks, like she wouldn't 1:20:06.400 --> 1:20:09.000 be this messed up, and like she couldn't. 1:20:08.680 --> 1:20:13.160 Even damn finish her third drink. She threw feet her 1:20:13.200 --> 1:20:14.840 two Jesus. 1:20:14.880 --> 1:20:17.400 That she was just like really fucked up, and he 1:20:17.479 --> 1:20:21.120 started kissing her, and she remembered like seeing his bare shoulders, 1:20:21.160 --> 1:20:23.720 blurred face, and just not being able to move her 1:20:23.760 --> 1:20:26.479 body or have control over it. And then he sat 1:20:26.600 --> 1:20:28.320 up on a chair and asked her if she was 1:20:28.320 --> 1:20:30.960 on the pill, and like she remembers waking up alone, 1:20:31.520 --> 1:20:34.200 rolling over and vomiting and this is all at her job, 1:20:34.880 --> 1:20:37.360 and then her bra was unhooked but on, and she 1:20:37.439 --> 1:20:39.400 just kept puking and puking and trying to clean up 1:20:39.439 --> 1:20:42.240 her office. She doesn't even remember how she got back 1:20:42.240 --> 1:20:45.839 to her apartment. Eventually, she disclosed this to her boyfriend 1:20:45.880 --> 1:20:48.639 and sister and mom, and she said after she explained 1:20:48.640 --> 1:20:50.800 it to her sister, the sister was like, wait, so 1:20:50.880 --> 1:20:53.639 he raped you, and same with her boyfriend, so she 1:20:53.680 --> 1:20:56.360 wasn't really ready to admit it to herself what happened, 1:20:56.360 --> 1:20:58.360 but anyone that she told the story to was like, 1:20:58.720 --> 1:20:59.559 you fucking got right. 1:20:59.720 --> 1:21:00.520 Yeah. 1:21:00.640 --> 1:21:03.439 So then Kelly called her and they discussed how drunk 1:21:03.439 --> 1:21:06.000 they were, and when she said she didn't remember anything, 1:21:06.200 --> 1:21:09.320 he filled her in about really graphic details and said 1:21:09.360 --> 1:21:11.200 that he was trying to put his dick in her 1:21:11.280 --> 1:21:14.720 throat and she wasn't having any of it, And when 1:21:14.760 --> 1:21:16.720 she asked if you put anything in her drink, he 1:21:16.760 --> 1:21:19.800 said he was uncomfortable with her questions and did not 1:21:20.000 --> 1:21:23.000 like where the conversation was going. But she didn't understand 1:21:23.080 --> 1:21:25.320 how only after two drinks she was unable to remember 1:21:25.360 --> 1:21:28.120 anything and not even how she got home. So then 1:21:28.960 --> 1:21:31.519 what I talked about earlier about the boyfriend and the 1:21:31.520 --> 1:21:33.080 commissioner interacting. 1:21:33.200 --> 1:21:33.880 That happened on. 1:21:33.840 --> 1:21:38.559 Thursday, October thirteenth, so like five days after and so 1:21:38.600 --> 1:21:40.360 the boyfriend was out for a run, like I said, 1:21:40.439 --> 1:21:42.799 came across Ray Kelly giving a speech at a police 1:21:42.840 --> 1:21:45.680 memorial on the Hudson River, and he's like, if I 1:21:45.720 --> 1:21:48.519 don't do this now, I won't ever forget myself. And 1:21:48.600 --> 1:21:51.600 so he confirmed the letter's suggestion, but instead both he 1:21:51.680 --> 1:21:54.799 and Rhea started texting Kelly, and Kelly stopped responding fully. 1:21:56.040 --> 1:22:00.479 And then Dundune, on Halloween, she discovers she's pregnant and 1:22:00.520 --> 1:22:03.840 her boyfriend had a vasectomy, so now she's pregnant with 1:22:03.880 --> 1:22:06.680 this lunatics baby. She kept trying to keep him in 1:22:06.680 --> 1:22:09.920 the loop and Kelly did not respond and he's smarter 1:22:10.040 --> 1:22:12.040 than that. I'm sorry, he's not going to be responding 1:22:12.040 --> 1:22:14.000 to your team. Yeah, just like come on. 1:22:14.880 --> 1:22:15.800 So she ended up. 1:22:16.040 --> 1:22:18.680 She did get an abortion, but she kept trying to 1:22:18.720 --> 1:22:20.760 include Kelly and was like, I'm at the clinic, blah blah. 1:22:20.880 --> 1:22:24.400 Kelly just like stopped responding to anything ever again. But 1:22:24.479 --> 1:22:27.599 she did get an abortion, and then not until January 1:22:27.600 --> 1:22:29.639 twenty fourth did she report the crime, and she had 1:22:29.640 --> 1:22:31.640 to repeat her story five times as she was like 1:22:31.680 --> 1:22:35.280 passed around to all the departments, so and then like 1:22:35.400 --> 1:22:38.880 all and then the press just like had at her, 1:22:39.000 --> 1:22:40.760 you know what I mean, they really had at her, 1:22:40.960 --> 1:22:43.719 and they built up Kelly and then maybe they're all friends, 1:22:43.720 --> 1:22:45.479 but they were just saying, what a great dude he is. 1:22:45.720 --> 1:22:49.400 Like one of the reasons a lot of his colleagues 1:22:49.640 --> 1:22:52.479 did not believe that this he could have done this 1:22:53.120 --> 1:22:57.120 was because he was pissed and Grille die cy vance 1:22:57.200 --> 1:22:59.840 about why he dropped the charges against Dominique strass Cohn 1:23:00.200 --> 1:23:02.519 And this is hopefully a case we'll cover in the future, 1:23:03.439 --> 1:23:07.360 but he is the former International Monetary fun chief accused 1:23:07.360 --> 1:23:10.240 of rape in May twenty eleven. 1:23:10.760 --> 1:23:12.720 So yeah, and then they did an SVU episode on 1:23:12.760 --> 1:23:15.880 it called Scorched Earth that we will definitely cover at 1:23:15.880 --> 1:23:16.280 some point. 1:23:16.520 --> 1:23:18.360 Yeah, but this is a case you remember living in 1:23:18.360 --> 1:23:19.160 New York as well. 1:23:19.400 --> 1:23:23.280 Yeah, So they're acting like because he was convinced that 1:23:23.320 --> 1:23:25.920 Dominique straus Khan was guilty, there's no way he could 1:23:25.920 --> 1:23:27.360 have essentially done the same thing. 1:23:28.479 --> 1:23:31.040 Yeah, because he was like pissed that the DA dropped 1:23:31.040 --> 1:23:33.320 it and that they weren't doing hard enough and so 1:23:34.200 --> 1:23:36.679 that is all of their evidence to be like, yeah, 1:23:36.720 --> 1:23:38.400 he got mad at this rapist. 1:23:38.000 --> 1:23:41.160 Why would he rape? So yeah, it's like, yeah, their thing. 1:23:41.680 --> 1:23:45.000 Then, as I said above, On February seventh, no criminal 1:23:45.080 --> 1:23:50.360 charges would be pursued, was announced by Martha Bashford, chief 1:23:50.400 --> 1:23:54.160 of the DA Sex Crimes Unit. Now Linda Fairstein, who 1:23:54.200 --> 1:23:56.599 has served as the DA's Sex Crimes Unit chief for 1:23:56.640 --> 1:23:59.360 twenty six years until retiring in two thousand and two, 1:23:59.840 --> 1:24:02.240 was actually on the a member of the board of 1:24:02.360 --> 1:24:06.200 Murushko Hargate's Joyful Heart Foundation, and she is known for 1:24:06.560 --> 1:24:09.719 prosecuting the nineteen eighty nine Central Park jogger rape case, 1:24:10.120 --> 1:24:12.800 in which five men were imprisoned for years, only to 1:24:12.840 --> 1:24:16.639 be exonerated in two thousand and two, which is right 1:24:16.680 --> 1:24:17.640 when she retired. 1:24:17.920 --> 1:24:22.040 Yeah, so that seems like they're connected. 1:24:22.640 --> 1:24:26.040 But she said there wasn't any signs of inability to 1:24:26.080 --> 1:24:27.840 say no, how. 1:24:27.680 --> 1:24:29.160 Do you know that? How would she know that? 1:24:29.479 --> 1:24:33.640 So the evidence for that is that she signed the 1:24:33.680 --> 1:24:36.320 receipt at the bar, and there's a video of her 1:24:36.360 --> 1:24:37.880 walking on her own two feet. 1:24:38.240 --> 1:24:39.800 But hello scopolaman. 1:24:40.280 --> 1:24:43.000 But because she was able to sign the receipt and 1:24:43.520 --> 1:24:47.280 the newscaster guy was quoted being like our tab was 1:24:47.400 --> 1:24:51.200 so cheap, Like she's out of her mind, Like he 1:24:51.320 --> 1:24:54.880 was just like that was in like a throwaway drink 1:24:54.920 --> 1:24:56.920 and meant nothing like it was just like so cheap. 1:24:56.920 --> 1:24:58.320 What do you mean you got wasted? 1:24:59.120 --> 1:25:02.439 But I'm really thinking there is like hardcore scoopolamine vibes here. 1:25:03.680 --> 1:25:06.720 So basically they're saying if she walked from the bar 1:25:06.880 --> 1:25:10.200 to the office building and paid the bill, like that's 1:25:10.240 --> 1:25:13.320 what this prosecutor is using to measure impairment or not. 1:25:14.080 --> 1:25:18.519 And so she couldn't prove that. She couldn't say no, And. 1:25:18.439 --> 1:25:21.120 It's like, what would she What does she get out 1:25:21.160 --> 1:25:23.080 of this? What does she get out of if she 1:25:23.160 --> 1:25:25.920 made it up? If she let's say, she got drunk, 1:25:26.200 --> 1:25:28.839 had sex with Greg, Kelly, felt bad, she cheated, her boyfriend, 1:25:28.840 --> 1:25:31.360 wakes up the next day and then goes to the 1:25:31.520 --> 1:25:33.680 like decides two months later to tell the police to 1:25:33.720 --> 1:25:35.800 blow up her life, Like it just does not make 1:25:35.840 --> 1:25:36.880 sense why you would do it? 1:25:37.280 --> 1:25:40.879 Yeah, because her boyfriend already was like gonna keep staying 1:25:40.920 --> 1:25:43.240 with her, you know what I mean? Like I and 1:25:43.760 --> 1:25:47.200 from far I know they they have stayed together. And 1:25:47.280 --> 1:25:50.760 the also like since there were text messages after and 1:25:50.800 --> 1:25:52.960 like between them, and those were also and like the 1:25:53.040 --> 1:25:54.760 night of it, so those were kind of used to 1:25:54.800 --> 1:25:58.040 drop the case as well, since they had communication after 1:25:58.080 --> 1:26:02.880 the assaults. But Firestine said, it's still fucked up, like 1:26:02.920 --> 1:26:03.880 with the papers and the. 1:26:03.800 --> 1:26:04.479 Press and stuff. 1:26:04.520 --> 1:26:06.120 So she at least is like, yeah, what happened with 1:26:06.160 --> 1:26:07.439 the press is really messed up. 1:26:07.479 --> 1:26:09.240 But chargers were dropped. 1:26:09.560 --> 1:26:12.200 She was all over like that she's like a lying, 1:26:12.320 --> 1:26:16.679 shady person. And and he but he didn't go back. 1:26:16.720 --> 1:26:19.360 I mean he's not at a respectable news place anymore, 1:26:19.439 --> 1:26:22.200 but he is working and nothing really happened to him. 1:26:22.240 --> 1:26:26.240 And yeah, it's just kind of like what happens I 1:26:26.240 --> 1:26:28.880 guess in the episode, it's like these people will get 1:26:28.920 --> 1:26:31.720 away with doing shady stuff, and you know, we're so 1:26:31.840 --> 1:26:34.320 focused on like legal not this and like all these 1:26:34.360 --> 1:26:36.559 details of like consent and not and it's like these 1:26:36.560 --> 1:26:40.800 are obviously people who don't like believe in the autonomy 1:26:40.880 --> 1:26:42.800 or freedom of women, you know what I mean. 1:26:43.000 --> 1:26:45.400 Like that party scene was gross to. 1:26:45.400 --> 1:26:52.120 Watch, yeah for sure, Yeah, and they that, Yeah, I 1:26:52.280 --> 1:26:55.320 just don't understand when you consider what her motive would be, 1:26:55.479 --> 1:26:58.040 like what would be anyone's motive to tell this story 1:26:58.080 --> 1:27:00.599 about how they vomited all over the place they. 1:27:01.560 --> 1:27:04.240 I think the their spin is that she's just trying 1:27:04.320 --> 1:27:06.320 to like for her boyfriend not to be mad at her. 1:27:07.720 --> 1:27:11.120 This is a famous person, like you know, this is 1:27:11.160 --> 1:27:12.719 there's gonna be press about this. 1:27:12.720 --> 1:27:13.799 This is a famous person. 1:27:15.360 --> 1:27:17.360 She might like she knows he's related to the police 1:27:17.360 --> 1:27:19.760 commissioner too, So it's like she took a huge risk 1:27:19.840 --> 1:27:21.559 to go to the cop. 1:27:21.640 --> 1:27:24.120 But even like while reading a lot of the stuff, 1:27:24.320 --> 1:27:26.840 I was like, she's lying, Like it is like the 1:27:26.920 --> 1:27:30.160 spin is real, you know what I mean, and it 1:27:30.240 --> 1:27:32.880 is really fucked. That's why, Like while reading the Times 1:27:32.960 --> 1:27:35.719 articles and stuff, I'm like, I don't love the way 1:27:36.360 --> 1:27:37.519 they're spinning shit. 1:27:37.800 --> 1:27:41.320 If she if she went to him Greg Kelly and 1:27:41.360 --> 1:27:43.400 said I'm gonna go to the cops if you don't 1:27:43.400 --> 1:27:46.240 give me ten thousand dollars, Okay, then I see that. 1:27:47.120 --> 1:27:48.439 But she's not asking for money. 1:27:48.479 --> 1:27:51.280 She's asking you know, like she It's just crazy, like 1:27:51.320 --> 1:27:53.639 to me to think that all these people that think 1:27:53.680 --> 1:27:55.760 that women are like making up rape charges just to 1:27:55.880 --> 1:27:59.040 like fucking spike men or like make sure yet to 1:27:59.160 --> 1:28:06.719 destroy men, because that's what art, you know, like fucking nuts. Anyway, 1:28:06.760 --> 1:28:08.720 thank you for the breakdown, because you know what, I 1:28:08.760 --> 1:28:10.400 didn't know a lot of that. I didn't know about 1:28:10.400 --> 1:28:12.559 the pregnancy. I think I just knew generally, and I 1:28:12.600 --> 1:28:14.760 know who Greg Kelly is. I remember this case happened like. 1:28:14.840 --> 1:28:15.320 That's the thing. 1:28:15.400 --> 1:28:19.200 I remember it, the allegation and the dismissal happening really 1:28:19.240 --> 1:28:22.800 quick like that. It was like not a big, like 1:28:22.840 --> 1:28:26.759 a blip in that guy's like life. But this episode 1:28:26.800 --> 1:28:29.760 is also based on an amazing escort rivalry, and we 1:28:29.800 --> 1:28:32.599 will of course cover that when we do our next. 1:28:32.439 --> 1:28:36.799 Episode about this three episode arc. And don't go anywhere 1:28:36.840 --> 1:28:49.040 because we have an amazing guest. You're gonna be obsessed. Okay, guys, guys. 1:28:49.280 --> 1:28:51.599 When we started this podcast, there were certain people Lisa 1:28:51.640 --> 1:28:54.400 really wanted to get. Ari Grainer, other people that she 1:28:54.479 --> 1:28:57.280 said she wanted to get. I have always wanted to 1:28:57.280 --> 1:28:59.639 get today's guest. She is an actor who has starred 1:28:59.640 --> 1:29:03.840 in some iconic television shows, Gray's Anatomy, Ray Donovan Bates Motel, 1:29:04.160 --> 1:29:06.040 a fan of two shows. 1:29:06.040 --> 1:29:08.040 I'm big fans of Big. You can't even get this out. 1:29:08.080 --> 1:29:10.200 I don't think I've ever seen this. You can't even 1:29:10.240 --> 1:29:12.519 see it's like I'm stumbling all over the place. 1:29:13.040 --> 1:29:16.840 Most importantly, she played Catherine Martin in a seminal Clank 1:29:16.880 --> 1:29:18.400 family film called. 1:29:18.120 --> 1:29:19.439 The Silence of the Lambs. 1:29:19.720 --> 1:29:22.840 But you know her in a three episode SBU arc 1:29:23.240 --> 1:29:28.200 as Upper east Side Madam Delia Wilson. Guys, please to 1:29:28.439 --> 1:29:30.880 enjoy our amazing chat with Brooke Smith. 1:29:31.360 --> 1:29:33.880 Hi, Brook, thank you so much for talking to us. 1:29:34.400 --> 1:29:37.679 Yeah, I mean, I hope it's not like a five minute, 1:29:37.920 --> 1:29:39.240 you know episode. 1:29:41.280 --> 1:29:44.439 Well, we've been dreaming of talking to you since we 1:29:44.560 --> 1:29:45.680 started this podcast. 1:29:45.800 --> 1:29:49.880 It's really it's thrilling that you're here. Delia so evil, 1:29:50.680 --> 1:29:53.240 but she's just misunderstood. 1:29:56.200 --> 1:29:58.360 I mean, she's such an interesting character because she like 1:29:58.479 --> 1:30:00.960 lives on a farm and like baby goats. 1:30:00.960 --> 1:30:02.040 But then it is like, what's up. 1:30:02.080 --> 1:30:04.880 I'm an Upper east Side madam, but I only wear 1:30:05.479 --> 1:30:07.280 like Wellington boots and vests. 1:30:07.360 --> 1:30:10.479 Like it's a confusing She's not what you normally think of. 1:30:11.160 --> 1:30:14.880 Yeah, I mean, that's that sounds a little Martha, doesn't it. 1:30:15.000 --> 1:30:18.840 It's like if Martha Stewart had a side business supplying 1:30:19.439 --> 1:30:21.400 sex workers to the britch and powerful. 1:30:21.960 --> 1:30:24.200 And I remember, I mean, you guys probably know better 1:30:24.200 --> 1:30:26.280 than me, but I feel like you know, it was 1:30:26.360 --> 1:30:28.200 loosely based on something real. 1:30:28.560 --> 1:30:29.800 You know that there was a woman. 1:30:30.000 --> 1:30:33.320 Yeah, yes, yes, well we're going to so. 1:30:33.439 --> 1:30:36.320 Yeah, and it didn't really end well for her, did it. 1:30:37.200 --> 1:30:38.320 I No, I don't think so. 1:30:38.479 --> 1:30:41.120 I think she's in prison. Yeah. 1:30:41.360 --> 1:30:43.400 Did you know, did you do any research on the 1:30:43.439 --> 1:30:46.040 real version or did you just go in? 1:30:47.000 --> 1:30:47.200 Yeah? 1:30:47.280 --> 1:30:47.880 Not so much. 1:30:47.920 --> 1:30:50.320 I knew about her, and I knew enough about her, 1:30:50.439 --> 1:30:52.679 and then it was just I think the whole point 1:30:52.760 --> 1:30:55.519 was just that she has some, you know, pretty well 1:30:55.560 --> 1:30:58.920 placed clients, you know, like pretty high up in the 1:30:58.960 --> 1:31:01.160 government type people. 1:31:01.720 --> 1:31:02.640 Yeah. 1:31:02.680 --> 1:31:05.720 So, but she was Russian, I think. So it's not 1:31:05.760 --> 1:31:08.800 like I ever decided to make her Russian or because. 1:31:08.520 --> 1:31:10.800 It was you know, yeah, well that would have been 1:31:10.840 --> 1:31:11.360 a choice. 1:31:11.479 --> 1:31:16.200 Yeah, yes, So, I mean my immediate first question, how 1:31:16.280 --> 1:31:17.760 was bottle feeding that baby goat? 1:31:17.840 --> 1:31:20.200 I mean, how was that experience? I can't forget. 1:31:20.040 --> 1:31:22.519 Starting there because it's literally like we're gonna have to 1:31:22.560 --> 1:31:25.880 stretch this into the entire interview because it's kind of 1:31:25.920 --> 1:31:27.240 all I remember. 1:31:28.880 --> 1:31:31.720 That thing had just been born that day. 1:31:31.920 --> 1:31:31.960 No. 1:31:33.600 --> 1:31:36.439 Yes, And these are the perks of being an actor, 1:31:36.560 --> 1:31:39.000 Like who gets to hold a baby goat and feed it? 1:31:39.080 --> 1:31:41.519 I can't believe they're ready to work so fast. 1:31:42.479 --> 1:31:46.400 Well, I don't know that they asked the goat, you know. 1:31:47.040 --> 1:31:49.559 Yeah, no, It's so funny because it's like you see 1:31:49.560 --> 1:31:51.519 a baby born in a movie and you're like, that's 1:31:51.560 --> 1:31:54.479 a three month old baby. But like the baby goats, 1:31:54.560 --> 1:31:56.240 what do we know that could have been? You didn't 1:31:56.280 --> 1:31:57.320 have to be a day old. 1:31:57.600 --> 1:31:58.840 Yeah, no, that's really true. 1:31:58.880 --> 1:32:02.959 Actually, yeah, I don't think they do like hours freshly 1:32:03.120 --> 1:32:04.440 born humans. 1:32:04.720 --> 1:32:05.519 Yeah, that's not a lot. 1:32:05.560 --> 1:32:07.519 Well, the goat probably as a baby goat has like 1:32:07.600 --> 1:32:10.320 certain union hours. It's allowed to work on sex and 1:32:10.400 --> 1:32:12.160 you know, like have to get it to its tutor 1:32:12.200 --> 1:32:12.759 and everything. 1:32:12.880 --> 1:32:14.400 So I wonder where the goat is now? 1:32:14.920 --> 1:32:18.679 Was the goat well behaved like you enjoyed, very great time. 1:32:18.720 --> 1:32:21.600 Adorable, so cute. I get to hold it. It was 1:32:21.640 --> 1:32:23.800 like a little my No, it was very very nice. 1:32:23.800 --> 1:32:25.639 Where did you guys film the farm scenes? 1:32:26.360 --> 1:32:29.599 I'm going to say Long Island? 1:32:29.760 --> 1:32:30.839 Oh that makes sense. 1:32:31.120 --> 1:32:32.559 That's what I'm going to say. I feel like it 1:32:32.600 --> 1:32:34.519 was Long Island. I almost said New Jersey. 1:32:34.960 --> 1:32:35.280 Ps. 1:32:35.360 --> 1:32:36.479 Where are you guys are? 1:32:36.520 --> 1:32:38.719 We're in LA But I'm in New York right now. 1:32:38.760 --> 1:32:42.720 I'm in Sunset Park at the moment. Oh why, I 1:32:42.760 --> 1:32:45.040 just love it here. I miss it and I just 1:32:45.160 --> 1:32:47.519 we do stand up comedy and so coming to New 1:32:47.600 --> 1:32:50.160 York you just get to do a lot of it, 1:32:50.920 --> 1:32:52.639 party dinners, friends. 1:32:52.680 --> 1:32:53.200 I like it. 1:32:54.080 --> 1:32:56.439 Yeah, I guess I do miss New York. I think 1:32:56.439 --> 1:32:57.920 I'm starting to realize. 1:32:57.479 --> 1:32:59.679 That are you in La Yeah? 1:33:00.200 --> 1:33:05.160 Here for like, you know, fourteen thirteen years something like that. 1:33:05.800 --> 1:33:08.439 But I have a daughter who's now at Pratt So 1:33:08.520 --> 1:33:11.400 I've been going to oh cool, you know, New York, 1:33:11.560 --> 1:33:14.880 mostly in Brooklyn. I feel so weird about Manhattan, you guys, 1:33:14.960 --> 1:33:15.479 I don't know. 1:33:16.160 --> 1:33:18.400 No, I don't really Brooklyn's the coolest spot to be. 1:33:19.080 --> 1:33:22.080 Yeah, I don't really relate in any way to the 1:33:22.120 --> 1:33:24.639 city that literally made me who I am. 1:33:25.439 --> 1:33:26.639 Did you grow up in New York? 1:33:27.600 --> 1:33:28.000 I did? 1:33:28.400 --> 1:33:31.880 And actually, oh, look at this perfect publicity moment. 1:33:32.960 --> 1:33:34.720 I was a punk rocker. 1:33:34.800 --> 1:33:38.280 And I in the mid eighties lived in a squat 1:33:38.360 --> 1:33:41.520 on the Lower East Side and took all these photographs. 1:33:41.560 --> 1:33:43.400 And I have a book coming out in the fall 1:33:43.560 --> 1:33:44.200 in November. 1:33:44.400 --> 1:33:45.679 Wow. Cool. 1:33:46.680 --> 1:33:49.240 So it's about you know, it's there's not a lot 1:33:49.240 --> 1:33:52.080 of words, it's mostly photographs. Oh god, I'm touching the phone. 1:33:52.120 --> 1:33:57.559 Hold on, I'm not supposed to do that, Okay anyway, So, yeah, 1:33:57.800 --> 1:34:01.000 that's so. I'm from New York, but I don't recognize it. 1:34:01.040 --> 1:34:01.599 I I don't. 1:34:01.680 --> 1:34:03.640 And even when I stay at my friend's house in 1:34:03.640 --> 1:34:05.920 Brooklyn and she has a view of like all of Manhattan, 1:34:05.960 --> 1:34:07.640 I'm like, is that Cleveland? 1:34:08.080 --> 1:34:11.080 I have no idea. Like those tall, skinny buildings near 1:34:11.240 --> 1:34:12.599 Central Park? What are those? 1:34:13.360 --> 1:34:14.400 Oh? I don't even know. 1:34:14.520 --> 1:34:17.559 I lived in New York for eleven years, but I 1:34:17.840 --> 1:34:20.120 left six years ago to La So I don't really 1:34:20.240 --> 1:34:20.679 know the sky. 1:34:20.840 --> 1:34:22.920 I mean especially I don't know. 1:34:23.000 --> 1:34:26.160 I don't know New York as well, especially because of pandemic. 1:34:26.160 --> 1:34:28.040 I didn't go for like two over two years. 1:34:28.080 --> 1:34:28.240 You know. 1:34:29.520 --> 1:34:32.000 But you're you're were you born and raised Upper West Side? 1:34:32.240 --> 1:34:35.240 Well, I mean I was born in Manhattan. 1:34:35.360 --> 1:34:39.639 I was raised near Nyak Huh A lot of shooting 1:34:39.680 --> 1:34:40.839 of sbu up therapy. 1:34:40.960 --> 1:34:41.400 Yeah. Yeah. 1:34:41.439 --> 1:34:44.160 I have performed in the Mall comedy club before. 1:34:44.160 --> 1:34:48.919 Oh yeah, the Nanuet or the Nanuet Mall. 1:34:48.800 --> 1:34:52.000 Is it called the Levity where Levity Live is right? 1:34:52.040 --> 1:34:53.160 I don't know the name of them all, but I 1:34:53.439 --> 1:34:55.840 visited Sleepy Hollow. I saw like the I went to 1:34:55.880 --> 1:34:56.439 the cemetery. 1:34:56.479 --> 1:34:59.640 I had some fun but nice nice. 1:34:59.640 --> 1:35:04.160 But New York at NAY is gritty and scary like 1:35:04.200 --> 1:35:07.280 it used to be, So maybe it'll feel familiar. 1:35:07.360 --> 1:35:10.599 Yeah, they post pandemic. It's gone well. 1:35:10.640 --> 1:35:12.600 At first, like an older comic was telling me, I 1:35:12.640 --> 1:35:14.040 was like, he's just an old man. And then I 1:35:14.040 --> 1:35:17.320 stayed out till five and it's like, oh, this is different. 1:35:17.439 --> 1:35:17.599 Yeah. 1:35:17.600 --> 1:35:19.599 I mean it was weird because I was there last 1:35:19.600 --> 1:35:23.200 week and I took my daughter nineteen to Tompkins Square, 1:35:23.240 --> 1:35:26.360 which used to be literally I knew the payphone number 1:35:26.360 --> 1:35:29.280 by heart, and you know, sat on a bench there 1:35:29.360 --> 1:35:33.040 smoking pot with my daughter. It's just so bizarre, you know, Like, 1:35:33.320 --> 1:35:36.760 and I actually did notice that some kind of old 1:35:36.760 --> 1:35:39.040 timey things like people shooting up in the middle of 1:35:39.120 --> 1:35:42.120 the day in the park. You know that didn't feel 1:35:42.120 --> 1:35:44.200 like you know, it was like that a couple of 1:35:44.240 --> 1:35:44.760 years back. 1:35:44.840 --> 1:35:47.080 But yeah, no, but the smell of weed is fun 1:35:47.120 --> 1:35:48.960 when you're walking by, and it's so cool you get 1:35:49.000 --> 1:35:50.400 to smoke with your daughter. 1:35:51.240 --> 1:35:54.679 Yeah, I know, right, I'd rather people walk walk smoking 1:35:54.680 --> 1:35:57.160 weed than on the goddamn cell phone. I I have 1:35:57.280 --> 1:35:59.519 a rule, I do not move out of the way, Like, 1:35:59.600 --> 1:36:02.160 if I'm walking and you're on your cell and you're walking, 1:36:02.200 --> 1:36:05.880 you got to pull over otherwise I'm gonna you just 1:36:05.920 --> 1:36:07.840 saying yeah. 1:36:07.880 --> 1:36:09.920 And I'm assuming they just offered this part to you. 1:36:10.800 --> 1:36:12.680 Oh they did, yeah. 1:36:12.920 --> 1:36:14.040 Offer only baby. 1:36:14.320 --> 1:36:16.479 Well, and you had done like a lot of law 1:36:16.479 --> 1:36:18.840 and order, like you've been in criminal intent, you've been 1:36:18.840 --> 1:36:21.160 in regular law and order and SV You've done the 1:36:21.160 --> 1:36:21.960 whole trifecta. 1:36:22.640 --> 1:36:23.479 I have. 1:36:23.680 --> 1:36:25.559 And I have to say, I think it took so 1:36:25.640 --> 1:36:28.960 long for SBU because every time. I think there were 1:36:28.960 --> 1:36:31.120 a couple of times before when they asked me and 1:36:31.560 --> 1:36:33.439 I was like, do I get raped? Does my kid 1:36:33.479 --> 1:36:36.960 get raped? I'm just not really in the mood for that. 1:36:37.200 --> 1:36:40.800 So this one was like, yeah, I'll do this one. 1:36:40.920 --> 1:36:43.679 Yeah, almost when you're like, I'm just getting people killed 1:36:43.880 --> 1:36:46.720 from crossing me, but nothing, you know, you don't really 1:36:46.760 --> 1:36:48.160 get your hands dirty per se. 1:36:48.960 --> 1:36:50.599 But yeah, it's terrifying character. 1:36:51.040 --> 1:36:54.160 So you're curious which ones you turned down, though, like 1:36:54.200 --> 1:36:57.599 I want to know what the like, that's a wild 1:36:57.680 --> 1:37:01.120 question to remember, but I'm so curiously Yeah. 1:37:01.160 --> 1:37:01.639 So cool. 1:37:01.720 --> 1:37:04.320 I know, I know one involved a kid being taken, 1:37:04.360 --> 1:37:06.080 and I thought, oh no, I can't do that? 1:37:06.439 --> 1:37:07.519 Yeah too close? 1:37:07.720 --> 1:37:09.599 Yeah, just too too. 1:37:10.640 --> 1:37:13.040 Yeah, QUSVU REALLYSVU. 1:37:13.840 --> 1:37:15.839 But even though you didn't, we weren't like a criminal 1:37:15.920 --> 1:37:17.679 criminal you did get I mean you were a criminal. 1:37:17.720 --> 1:37:19.840 You didn't get your hands dirty, but you got a 1:37:19.920 --> 1:37:20.960 nice courtroom scene. 1:37:21.080 --> 1:37:23.400 I was. Do you remember filming the courtroom scene? 1:37:23.680 --> 1:37:26.080 Oh god, will you guys tell me some stuff? What 1:37:26.160 --> 1:37:26.679 did I do? 1:37:26.960 --> 1:37:31.360 I don't know. Well, your lawyer? Your lawyer was Ron Rifkin. 1:37:31.760 --> 1:37:34.240 Oh yeah, I love Ron? 1:37:34.560 --> 1:37:34.800 Yeah? 1:37:34.880 --> 1:37:35.080 Yeah? 1:37:35.240 --> 1:37:37.400 Was that good? Was that fun? That's crazy? 1:37:37.439 --> 1:37:40.200 It's like crazy that I totally forgot that until you 1:37:40.240 --> 1:37:43.200 said that. Is this what happens to people when they 1:37:43.200 --> 1:37:45.120 come on They're like, holy shit, he was. 1:37:45.240 --> 1:37:47.519 He was in a lot of people. A lot of 1:37:47.560 --> 1:37:49.240 people are like, wait. 1:37:49.280 --> 1:37:52.240 You tell me what happened next, were like, what happened. 1:37:52.040 --> 1:37:52.519 When you shot? 1:37:52.560 --> 1:37:54.120 When you had that blood all over you? And she's 1:37:54.160 --> 1:37:56.599 like wait, I did well you get that a lot? 1:37:56.840 --> 1:37:57.120 Wow. 1:37:57.240 --> 1:37:59.400 And then we're kind of like, I said so in 1:37:59.439 --> 1:38:00.679 depth that we'll talk to someone. 1:38:00.680 --> 1:38:02.360 They're like, that was twenty two years ago. 1:38:04.000 --> 1:38:06.800 Like sometimes I do feel our questions are inappropriate. 1:38:07.680 --> 1:38:09.880 I mean, let's face it, I could have rewatched it, 1:38:09.880 --> 1:38:10.519 couldn't I have? 1:38:10.720 --> 1:38:13.599 I could have like crept I did google it. I 1:38:13.640 --> 1:38:15.200 saw it ten years ago. 1:38:15.280 --> 1:38:18.240 Ten years ago, the ten year anniversary of that of 1:38:18.280 --> 1:38:23.040 that full three episode arc that goes across seasons. 1:38:23.600 --> 1:38:26.120 Oh yeah, yeah from thirteen to fourteen. 1:38:26.320 --> 1:38:30.800 Yeah yeah, there you got it. But do you have 1:38:30.880 --> 1:38:34.360 any memories of like working with Marishko, working with Braun, 1:38:34.439 --> 1:38:36.599 like working like being on the set or anything like 1:38:37.000 --> 1:38:40.080 anything our listeners might like, nice hotel, a little bit 1:38:40.080 --> 1:38:40.439 of tea. 1:38:41.200 --> 1:38:44.960 I remember, Oh god, I wish I had tea. I 1:38:45.000 --> 1:38:47.400 remember Mary, she could being very very nice. She had 1:38:47.439 --> 1:38:50.360 a baby too. She had a baby, like right there 1:38:50.360 --> 1:38:54.880 in a crib, baby like right there, her youngest one. Yeah, 1:38:54.880 --> 1:38:56.519 I'm thinking right ten years ago. 1:38:56.680 --> 1:38:58.880 Yeah. How many does she have? 1:38:59.280 --> 1:39:00.000 She has three? 1:39:00.080 --> 1:39:01.880 But I think her oldest son is like a teen, 1:39:02.280 --> 1:39:03.559 like a seventeen or eighteen. 1:39:04.000 --> 1:39:08.559 Oh yeah, oh good luck. I guess that's why she's 1:39:08.560 --> 1:39:14.320 still working. They're still doing this show. Yes, Oh yeah, baby, Okay, 1:39:14.400 --> 1:39:15.280 what season is it? 1:39:15.320 --> 1:39:19.599 Twenty? It's about to be twenty four? Holy shit. Wow. 1:39:19.720 --> 1:39:21.519 Yeah, they're never going to stop. I think they'll just 1:39:21.560 --> 1:39:23.479 stop when she stops. I truly don't think they're going 1:39:23.560 --> 1:39:25.240 to stop it until she stops. 1:39:25.439 --> 1:39:26.320 Oh my god. 1:39:26.560 --> 1:39:30.120 Yeah yeah, wait, so let me think, Well, when you 1:39:30.160 --> 1:39:32.160 asked that question, I all of a sudden thought of 1:39:32.760 --> 1:39:35.240 Law and Order, which isn't the same. But I just 1:39:35.360 --> 1:39:37.880 remember being in a courtroom in Law and Order, So 1:39:37.920 --> 1:39:39.800 you think, why wouldn't I remember this one? It was 1:39:39.880 --> 1:39:44.400 more recent, but I remember asking questions and Sam Waterston 1:39:44.479 --> 1:39:47.280 being like, don't ask questions. 1:39:48.600 --> 1:39:50.479 Don't it's Pandora's box. 1:39:50.560 --> 1:39:52.799 If you ask questions, it's all going to fall apart, 1:39:52.880 --> 1:39:54.480 you know, Because I was like, wait a minute. 1:39:54.160 --> 1:39:56.559 Why was I here? If this happened then, you know 1:39:56.680 --> 1:39:59.080 that kind of thing. He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 1:39:59.080 --> 1:40:02.680 no god, the scripts are in. We only have till Friday, Like, 1:40:02.840 --> 1:40:04.040 let's just shoot this thing. 1:40:04.280 --> 1:40:07.519 At that point it was probably Sam Waterson's like fifteenth season. 1:40:07.600 --> 1:40:10.400 He was like, nope, we don't do questions. 1:40:10.680 --> 1:40:15.000 Yeah, yeah, no, just just play the scene, Brooke. Yeah, 1:40:15.040 --> 1:40:16.200 that's so. I don't know. 1:40:16.280 --> 1:40:18.599 I don't remember much else. It's really just the goat. 1:40:19.640 --> 1:40:24.200 Everybody was very nice, and yeah, I do remember that 1:40:24.280 --> 1:40:28.519 kind of burbery clothing thing that yeare Richie kind of yeah, and. 1:40:28.479 --> 1:40:31.000 Like when they when they lead you down the courthouse steps, 1:40:31.040 --> 1:40:32.320 which I don't know if you remember this, when you 1:40:32.360 --> 1:40:34.040 finally do get busted, they lead you down to the 1:40:34.040 --> 1:40:34.639 courthouse steps. 1:40:34.680 --> 1:40:37.960 I think you're wearing Wellington's. I mean, you're like rubber 1:40:38.000 --> 1:40:38.840 boots to court. 1:40:38.920 --> 1:40:41.559 It's because they picked me up there, don't they. Yeah, 1:40:41.560 --> 1:40:42.120 it happens. 1:40:42.400 --> 1:40:48.080 Yeah, well obviously we we want to know how often 1:40:48.080 --> 1:40:50.839 do people bring up the lotion to you in the streets. 1:40:53.439 --> 1:40:57.240 You know, still they still do it, but less, I'd 1:40:57.280 --> 1:40:59.559 say less. It used to be weirder, you know, when 1:40:59.600 --> 1:41:02.960 people be like, you know, oh my god, my boyfriend 1:41:03.000 --> 1:41:05.160 does that same thing when he texts his penis in 1:41:05.400 --> 1:41:06.680 and you're just like. 1:41:06.400 --> 1:41:07.519 Oh my god. 1:41:07.800 --> 1:41:09.760 I don't know if I need to know that or 1:41:09.920 --> 1:41:15.840 that should be your boyfriend or I just like, yeah. 1:41:15.439 --> 1:41:19.400 So I do get that sometimes, Yeah, it seemly that. 1:41:19.960 --> 1:41:22.240 Or Grey's anatomy, because I guess those are the two 1:41:22.400 --> 1:41:24.160 biggest things. 1:41:24.280 --> 1:41:26.280 You know, I was gonna ask you, do you get more? 1:41:26.600 --> 1:41:28.439 Do you get more silence of the Lambs? People are 1:41:28.439 --> 1:41:29.679 more Gray's Anatomy people. 1:41:30.040 --> 1:41:31.519 I think it's like fifty to fifteen. 1:41:31.720 --> 1:41:34.559 Yeah, yeah, Because like when Lisa was saying how she 1:41:34.600 --> 1:41:37.519 sees people, and she's like svusvusbu. I've seen you in 1:41:37.560 --> 1:41:39.400 a ton of stuff that you've done, but I always 1:41:39.439 --> 1:41:40.280 am like, oh my god. 1:41:40.160 --> 1:41:43.400 Yes it's brook Smith from Silence of the Lambs. Yeah, 1:41:43.439 --> 1:41:46.800 just like that movie. The listeners know. I bring up 1:41:46.800 --> 1:41:48.599 that movie all the time, like. 1:41:48.560 --> 1:41:50.960 It's just like it was like a seminal movie for me, 1:41:51.040 --> 1:41:52.800 Like it was very disturbing. I think I watched it 1:41:52.840 --> 1:41:55.360 when I was like twelve or thirteen, maybe too early, 1:41:55.760 --> 1:41:58.880 and I like really love it, and my family like 1:41:58.960 --> 1:42:00.800 quotes it and makes jokes about it all the time. 1:42:00.840 --> 1:42:04.000 I don't know, we're sick, but you're so good in that, 1:42:04.680 --> 1:42:06.920 And that was one of your first big roles, right. 1:42:07.280 --> 1:42:09.240 Yeah, it was kind of my big first thing. 1:42:09.520 --> 1:42:11.920 Yeah, it was your big because you're also associated not 1:42:11.960 --> 1:42:14.000 only with Logan but the song like the American Girl. 1:42:14.000 --> 1:42:16.599 I feel like, you know, there's certain movies where that's 1:42:16.640 --> 1:42:18.639 all like all I think about when I hear that song. 1:42:19.360 --> 1:42:21.320 Yeah, it's it's funny because I'll be like in a 1:42:21.439 --> 1:42:24.200 mall and I'll hear that song and I'll fee I'll 1:42:24.280 --> 1:42:25.920 kind of look around secretly I. 1:42:25.840 --> 1:42:28.320 Can't believe saying this, and I'll be like, is everybody 1:42:28.320 --> 1:42:32.160 gonna mob me? Now? Like, no, no one sees you. 1:42:32.680 --> 1:42:36.240 No one is making that connection, Brooke, No, no, but. 1:42:36.200 --> 1:42:38.320 It's just like it is such a song. 1:42:38.520 --> 1:42:41.639 I connect to one person and that person is you. 1:42:41.680 --> 1:42:44.639 Even though crazy, I wish I had met Tom Petty. 1:42:44.720 --> 1:42:49.040 You guys, and I know I know, so can I 1:42:49.120 --> 1:42:51.120 just like take it back? So you grew up in 1:42:51.160 --> 1:42:54.439 New York, the New York area, and I was reading 1:42:54.479 --> 1:42:56.479 about you that your mother was this like well known 1:42:56.479 --> 1:42:58.519 publicist and had like a lot of big clients. So 1:42:59.040 --> 1:43:01.240 was that something that kind of sparked your interest in 1:43:01.280 --> 1:43:03.360 getting into the acting world. Did you already have that 1:43:03.640 --> 1:43:05.840 or like what how did you get started in this 1:43:06.720 --> 1:43:07.639 crazy biz? 1:43:08.160 --> 1:43:08.439 Yeah? 1:43:08.520 --> 1:43:10.400 I mean I would say that was it, and that 1:43:10.560 --> 1:43:13.720 Freud or whoever would probably say that my mom was 1:43:13.720 --> 1:43:16.920 always off with actors, So hello, I became an actor, 1:43:17.120 --> 1:43:17.360 you know. 1:43:18.680 --> 1:43:21.479 But she was East Coast, so that's a little different. Yeah, 1:43:21.600 --> 1:43:23.120 and she was different in every way. 1:43:23.200 --> 1:43:25.639 Like this morning, I was I'm just going to diss 1:43:25.680 --> 1:43:28.960 the New York Times once but this and I sound 1:43:29.240 --> 1:43:31.000 just like my dad who worked at the New York Times. 1:43:31.080 --> 1:43:33.720 But I saw the cover today and there was some 1:43:33.880 --> 1:43:37.800 piece like halfway down about some publicist and I remember 1:43:37.920 --> 1:43:40.160 my mom used to say, like, if you're a publicist 1:43:40.200 --> 1:43:41.840 and you're publicizing yourself, like. 1:43:42.040 --> 1:43:42.800 You know, what is that? 1:43:42.920 --> 1:43:45.799 I don't know, but anyway, so yes, grew up around 1:43:45.840 --> 1:43:48.439 it and I don't know what. 1:43:48.479 --> 1:43:50.680 To say except I always knew that's what I was 1:43:50.680 --> 1:43:52.080 going to do. I just always knew. 1:43:52.720 --> 1:43:56.160 And I guess I would say nepotism was a piece 1:43:56.200 --> 1:44:01.799 of it, probably because Jonathan Demi was a publicist prior 1:44:01.880 --> 1:44:05.920 to being a direct so he knew my mom somehow, 1:44:06.120 --> 1:44:08.360 and I think when he was starting to look for 1:44:08.520 --> 1:44:11.160 someone to play that role, somebody said, oh you should, 1:44:11.720 --> 1:44:15.519 you know, talk to Lois's daughter, and that's kind of 1:44:15.520 --> 1:44:18.519 how I met it, and boom, yeah, so there you go. 1:44:18.560 --> 1:44:20.599 Well I read it the I think it was Vulture 1:44:20.720 --> 1:44:22.960 did like the anniversary of Silence of the Lambs or 1:44:22.960 --> 1:44:24.680 like an oral history, and you were a part of 1:44:24.720 --> 1:44:26.639 it and talking, and I did. 1:44:26.479 --> 1:44:27.280 Really love that. 1:44:27.560 --> 1:44:29.840 You're like the only person ever in the history of 1:44:29.960 --> 1:44:32.560 entertainment that's ever been like, oh yeah, my mom was 1:44:32.600 --> 1:44:33.439 in the bus and that's. 1:44:33.280 --> 1:44:35.000 How I got connected. And then I got a thing 1:44:35.080 --> 1:44:36.720 like no one ever wants to say that. 1:44:37.439 --> 1:44:40.000 I guess people feel like it means they're not good 1:44:40.120 --> 1:44:41.559 or something. Or whatever. 1:44:41.760 --> 1:44:44.439 But if you had been terrible, A, we would have 1:44:44.479 --> 1:44:46.320 seen it, and B you would have stopped working. 1:44:46.520 --> 1:44:49.160 I think, you know, hopefully. 1:44:49.920 --> 1:44:53.720 There's a lot of bad actors out there working guys. 1:44:56.200 --> 1:44:58.920 I know, right, Oh wait, but did you you saw 1:44:58.960 --> 1:45:01.519 this whole thing O like a year ago maybe with 1:45:01.600 --> 1:45:04.080 the anniversary of Sound Slams, where everybody said that you 1:45:04.400 --> 1:45:07.000 and the guy who played Buffalo Bill were dating. 1:45:07.439 --> 1:45:10.080 Yes, And it was a picture from my camera of 1:45:10.200 --> 1:45:12.800 us sitting on the edge of the pit right with 1:45:13.080 --> 1:45:15.960 their arms around each other, Ted Levine, who was married, 1:45:16.040 --> 1:45:18.280 And I was like, you know, no, we were I 1:45:18.360 --> 1:45:18.960 never dated. 1:45:19.200 --> 1:45:21.479 Yeah, every and then you wrote on Instagram and were 1:45:21.520 --> 1:45:24.480 like this isn't true but cute pick or something exactly. 1:45:24.760 --> 1:45:27.320 Yeah, and people still didn't believe me, and yeah, all right, 1:45:27.720 --> 1:45:30.400 that was getting so viral for like three days. 1:45:30.439 --> 1:45:33.320 It was like, can you believe these two co stars dated? 1:45:33.760 --> 1:45:35.800 I know, very weird, very weird. 1:45:35.880 --> 1:45:37.880 I mean, I will say, and I've said this before 1:45:38.000 --> 1:45:40.439 that Jody used to refer to me as Patty Hurst 1:45:40.560 --> 1:45:41.800 because she. 1:45:41.800 --> 1:45:44.080 Didn't really get. I mean she did get because she 1:45:44.120 --> 1:45:45.080 had done the accused. 1:45:45.160 --> 1:45:48.320 But that thing of when you kind of overcompensate with 1:45:48.360 --> 1:45:51.200 an actor who's like on screen torturing you and going 1:45:51.280 --> 1:45:54.040 to kill you, so you kind of bend over the 1:45:54.080 --> 1:45:57.200 other way when you're off screen. Yeah, we became really 1:45:57.240 --> 1:46:00.639 tight and hung out all the time when we weren't working. 1:46:00.760 --> 1:46:03.599 So well, that's cool. How deep was the hole? 1:46:04.640 --> 1:46:07.479 It was deep, you guys, it was And it was 1:46:07.600 --> 1:46:13.519 in a factory in Pittsburgh weirdly whoa, and so. 1:46:13.400 --> 1:46:16.000 They like, I don't know, they made it and I could. 1:46:15.760 --> 1:46:18.400 Get in it from down below or from the side 1:46:18.520 --> 1:46:20.280 or from above, but it was pretty deep. 1:46:20.320 --> 1:46:21.080 I got a sign. 1:46:21.720 --> 1:46:22.760 Oh my gosh. 1:46:22.840 --> 1:46:25.040 Well, so Kara's always Silence of the Lambs with you 1:46:25.080 --> 1:46:28.519 and wildly. In my theater class in high school, we 1:46:28.560 --> 1:46:33.240 watched Uncle Manya on forty second Street and that's that 1:46:33.360 --> 1:46:34.600 was my introduction to you. 1:46:34.800 --> 1:46:36.840 So wait, what theater class? What theater class? 1:46:36.880 --> 1:46:37.000 Oh? 1:46:37.000 --> 1:46:39.240 Like at my high school, I went to Niles North 1:46:39.280 --> 1:46:43.040 in the Chicago suburbs, and mister Ortman loved him. He 1:46:43.120 --> 1:46:45.880 retired this past year. But we had a we had 1:46:45.920 --> 1:46:48.560 an amazing theater department. We had like a full costume 1:46:48.720 --> 1:46:52.160 and scene workshop, and I mean we had like we 1:46:52.200 --> 1:46:55.280 did equis in high school, kabuki plays like it was 1:46:55.400 --> 1:46:58.799 really cool and I forgot, well we're probably just studying 1:46:58.840 --> 1:47:01.080 Chekhov or something, but we watched and. 1:47:00.920 --> 1:47:06.120 It was nice. Shout out to mister or Yeah. 1:47:06.200 --> 1:47:08.479 Yeah, that was one of my faves. I think, I 1:47:08.479 --> 1:47:09.400 think probably my fave. 1:47:09.600 --> 1:47:10.040 I don't know. 1:47:10.120 --> 1:47:12.439 And then of course I've seen you in Bosh. I'm 1:47:12.479 --> 1:47:15.559 a huge Bosh head and Big Sky was one of 1:47:15.560 --> 1:47:18.880 my big pandemic watches. Loved your whole arc in Big Sky. 1:47:19.080 --> 1:47:22.439 I was really nervous and scared for you. But I 1:47:22.520 --> 1:47:24.200 kind of like that your character ends up well and 1:47:24.200 --> 1:47:25.360 I don't want to spoil it for any of the 1:47:25.360 --> 1:47:26.000 Big Sky. 1:47:25.840 --> 1:47:28.840 Yet it's out there. Yeah, yeah, no. 1:47:28.880 --> 1:47:30.920 I was happy with how that turned out as well. 1:47:31.120 --> 1:47:34.760 And yeah, and Bosh, I don't know, they brought me on. 1:47:34.880 --> 1:47:36.720 This happens to me where they bring me on to 1:47:36.800 --> 1:47:40.040 be like Grumpy and the foil and like and I'm like, 1:47:40.080 --> 1:47:42.400 why do why don't I like that person? And they're like, 1:47:42.439 --> 1:47:44.320 we don't know, we just need somebody to not like 1:47:44.360 --> 1:47:47.760 that person. So yeah, I don't know. I just kind 1:47:47.760 --> 1:47:49.400 of disappeared on Bosh, didn't Yeah. 1:47:49.520 --> 1:47:51.960 Yeah, you were like against the chief, right, like you 1:47:52.000 --> 1:47:53.920 didn't like you were making her life a living hell 1:47:54.080 --> 1:47:54.400 kind of. 1:47:54.960 --> 1:47:57.240 I think I probably yeah, because then I remember Amy 1:47:57.280 --> 1:48:01.719 Akino and Io that's her. Yeah, we were like saying, 1:48:02.200 --> 1:48:04.439 wouldn't it be nice if we could like come together 1:48:04.520 --> 1:48:07.040 and be women who like support each other and not like. 1:48:07.040 --> 1:48:09.280 Attack each other like they always do. And then I 1:48:09.320 --> 1:48:09.719 was gone. 1:48:09.840 --> 1:48:13.519 So they're like, actually, no getting rid of her. 1:48:13.640 --> 1:48:15.439 No, you know, we don't want that. She has too 1:48:15.479 --> 1:48:16.240 many ideas. 1:48:16.280 --> 1:48:17.760 Do you watch your projects? 1:48:17.960 --> 1:48:18.639 I do? 1:48:19.360 --> 1:48:21.639 I feel like there was on recently that I didn't, 1:48:21.800 --> 1:48:25.120 but uh no, you know what there's I mostly do. 1:48:25.320 --> 1:48:27.920 I mostly do. There's been a couple that I haven't. 1:48:27.960 --> 1:48:30.160 There was one I did that I'm sure is terrible, 1:48:30.439 --> 1:48:32.320 but I had so much fun that I don't want to, 1:48:32.600 --> 1:48:34.200 you know, have that memory? 1:48:34.400 --> 1:48:37.559 Do you know it's terrible as you work? Honestly? 1:48:37.560 --> 1:48:40.800 Oh that's a good question. Well, h no, I'll get 1:48:40.840 --> 1:48:44.760 in trouble. I can't say much. But uh, they you know, 1:48:44.880 --> 1:48:47.240 I just did something recently that I really have no 1:48:47.320 --> 1:48:49.760 idea what the hell we did, no clue, and so 1:48:49.920 --> 1:48:52.640 we'll see what they, you know, turn it into I 1:48:52.680 --> 1:48:55.200 really don't know. So I guess it's true that we 1:48:55.280 --> 1:48:57.160 never really know. But I will say I knew on 1:48:57.280 --> 1:48:59.160 Silence of the Lamps that it was going to be huge. 1:48:59.479 --> 1:49:02.640 Yeah you did, Yeah, that one, I know, yeah, and 1:49:02.680 --> 1:49:04.040 the other ones I guess. 1:49:03.800 --> 1:49:04.439 I can know. 1:49:04.840 --> 1:49:08.360 And you ended up being like on Grays, which I'm 1:49:08.400 --> 1:49:12.880 not a Gray's person, but I was wondering, like, Dick 1:49:12.920 --> 1:49:16.599 Wolfe Universe, shondaaland those are kind of two huge, you know, 1:49:17.200 --> 1:49:18.320 TV powerhouses. 1:49:19.120 --> 1:49:20.040 How do you think they compare? 1:49:20.960 --> 1:49:25.479 Oh my god, you mean specifically Dick Wolf and Shonda Rhimes. 1:49:25.520 --> 1:49:28.040 Well, no, just like this, the feelings of the sets, 1:49:28.120 --> 1:49:29.800 like the you know, be it because you've been on 1:49:30.120 --> 1:49:32.880 you were really recurring on Grays. Obviously you did like 1:49:33.520 --> 1:49:35.840 dozens of episodes on Grays, but you've been on like 1:49:36.360 --> 1:49:39.599 three different Law and Order sets and various roles, and 1:49:39.840 --> 1:49:41.640 you probably got a sense for what it's like. I 1:49:41.680 --> 1:49:44.480 was just wondering if like it's like, no, it's shondaland 1:49:44.720 --> 1:49:46.400 like it's this way, and you know, I don't know. 1:49:46.760 --> 1:49:47.639 Yeah, I don't know what. 1:49:47.680 --> 1:49:50.719 To say about that. They do feel like different lands. 1:49:50.880 --> 1:49:54.040 And I remember I had a friend who was on 1:49:54.120 --> 1:49:56.639 Grays when I got there, who said, Okay, at the table, 1:49:56.680 --> 1:49:58.240 read sit next to Shonda. 1:49:58.439 --> 1:50:00.120 If you have a major script note. 1:50:00.120 --> 1:50:02.320 Take it right to her right after the table read 1:50:02.560 --> 1:50:04.640 if not, go to the writer that's name is on 1:50:04.720 --> 1:50:07.000 the script, because you don't want to make that you know, 1:50:07.040 --> 1:50:09.599 you don't want to get into Shonda unless it's really 1:50:09.640 --> 1:50:11.479 really structurally something. 1:50:12.400 --> 1:50:14.440 And I was like, oh my god, Okay. 1:50:15.280 --> 1:50:18.479 And lately I've been hearing this thing where you can't, like, 1:50:19.680 --> 1:50:21.360 if you have a question and you want to ask 1:50:21.400 --> 1:50:27.080 a writer a question that doesn't always get answered. In fact, 1:50:27.600 --> 1:50:30.120 lately it really doesn't get answered at all. I've been 1:50:30.120 --> 1:50:34.840 finding like, you know, I was on a show, and 1:50:36.240 --> 1:50:39.479 you know, I wasn't a series regular, but I had 1:50:39.560 --> 1:50:41.560 this massive scene to do and I really had a 1:50:41.640 --> 1:50:44.360 lot of questions and I just couldn't get any writer 1:50:44.479 --> 1:50:46.799 to call me back. And I just thought, well, that's weird, 1:50:47.160 --> 1:50:50.800 because if I'm writing something and you have questions hit me, 1:50:50.960 --> 1:50:53.280 you know, like I'll I don't know. 1:50:53.240 --> 1:50:55.320 What that is. I don't know if they I don't 1:50:55.360 --> 1:50:56.599 know what that is. It's weird. 1:50:56.720 --> 1:50:59.800 And then I've worked recently on ones where they don't 1:50:59.840 --> 1:51:00.639 talk to us at all. 1:51:00.680 --> 1:51:03.280 That's so wild. That is so crazy. 1:51:03.520 --> 1:51:05.680 Have you guys not experienced this or I don't know. 1:51:05.640 --> 1:51:08.240 If we're working as much as you are working as 1:51:08.320 --> 1:51:08.760 much as you. 1:51:08.800 --> 1:51:10.879 I mean, I mean, and I don't want to be negative, 1:51:10.920 --> 1:51:13.800 but I do feel like there is this kind of corporate, 1:51:14.040 --> 1:51:19.080 kind of streamer model thing maybe happening where people are 1:51:19.120 --> 1:51:23.160 all in their own lanes and they're like not collaborating 1:51:23.200 --> 1:51:26.000 as much, and maybe someone comes up with a great 1:51:26.040 --> 1:51:28.920 idea but they don't have a lot of experience or something. 1:51:29.120 --> 1:51:30.200 I don't know, I really don't know. 1:51:30.240 --> 1:51:32.800 I also wonder if it's like remnants of COVID too, 1:51:32.880 --> 1:51:35.280 where like I was hearing like during COVID, like writers 1:51:35.320 --> 1:51:36.920 weren't allowed to come to the set, so then they 1:51:36.920 --> 1:51:39.160 wouldn't be there, like because like only actors can be 1:51:39.240 --> 1:51:41.560 near each other or because of like all these regulations 1:51:41.600 --> 1:51:42.080 and stuff. 1:51:42.560 --> 1:51:44.400 Oh yeah, but they have email. 1:51:44.360 --> 1:51:46.519 Yeah, or call you back on the phone. 1:51:46.680 --> 1:51:49.120 Sure, yeah, you know the emails. I think. 1:51:49.160 --> 1:51:50.680 I guess that most of our friends too, are like 1:51:50.720 --> 1:51:53.400 comedy writers, and I wonder if we're just like more desperate. 1:51:53.479 --> 1:51:57.559 But I feel like everyone I know that does comedy writing, 1:51:57.600 --> 1:52:00.200 there's like punch up on set, and people like all 1:52:00.240 --> 1:52:03.639 my friends that have done that seem to be very involved. 1:52:03.680 --> 1:52:06.400 So I wonder, Yeah, you would think genre difference. 1:52:07.120 --> 1:52:08.479 Well, I have a nut you're in One of my 1:52:08.520 --> 1:52:13.400 other favorite movies. In Her Shoes is like, oh, I 1:52:13.479 --> 1:52:15.920 watch it all the time. And Mark Firestein is gonna 1:52:15.920 --> 1:52:17.880 be a guest next week on the pod because he's 1:52:17.880 --> 1:52:18.559 in an SBO. 1:52:19.160 --> 1:52:23.240 He plays like, what is this plastic surgeon? Rape guy? 1:52:23.320 --> 1:52:27.439 And him and his girlfriend drug women and rape them. 1:52:27.520 --> 1:52:30.280 And then you find out that he actually started dating 1:52:30.280 --> 1:52:31.840 her when she was a child and made her get 1:52:31.840 --> 1:52:33.679 all this plastic surgery as they dated. 1:52:34.479 --> 1:52:36.439 Oh, even worse, that's even worse. 1:52:36.520 --> 1:52:38.519 Yeah, there's like a body in a wall and they're 1:52:38.600 --> 1:52:39.840 drugging a lot of young women. 1:52:40.640 --> 1:52:42.080 There's a body in a wall. 1:52:42.920 --> 1:52:45.960 Yeah, alright, alright, but he'll be on. 1:52:46.240 --> 1:52:49.880 But I love that movie so much. It's like, oh, goody, 1:52:50.120 --> 1:52:50.880 one of my watches. 1:52:50.880 --> 1:52:52.599 Did you enjoy it? What did you get? You film 1:52:52.640 --> 1:52:53.400 it in Philly? Or No? 1:52:54.360 --> 1:52:56.960 I did film it in Philly. I did enjoy it. 1:52:56.960 --> 1:53:01.400 It was hard originally because truth beat old. I gave 1:53:01.439 --> 1:53:03.680 one of the best auditions of my life for the 1:53:03.720 --> 1:53:05.080 part Tony Collette played. 1:53:05.880 --> 1:53:07.080 In fact, I made. 1:53:06.920 --> 1:53:10.599 The director cry in the room, and I was pretty 1:53:10.640 --> 1:53:13.400 certain I was going to get it, and I did not, 1:53:13.920 --> 1:53:16.640 So for a long time. My husband said it was 1:53:16.680 --> 1:53:20.480 his phrase. He would always say, you're you're not thin enough. 1:53:20.240 --> 1:53:22.200 To be the fat girl in Hollywood. 1:53:24.960 --> 1:53:29.200 Sorry, yeah, but uh yeah, I did have fun doing it. 1:53:29.240 --> 1:53:31.920 And I remember I had a baby then, so she 1:53:32.080 --> 1:53:34.519 like learned to walk, you know. That's how I remember 1:53:34.520 --> 1:53:38.320 these projects now, I guess, yeah, hundred, I'm a hundred yeah. 1:53:38.360 --> 1:53:40.160 Wow was it weird being on set? How did you 1:53:40.200 --> 1:53:43.559 deal with your feelings on set and being this, you know, 1:53:43.600 --> 1:53:44.080 the friend. 1:53:44.800 --> 1:53:48.320 I'm glad you're asking this because and I hope Tony 1:53:48.360 --> 1:53:51.080 hears this one day, because god damn it, I'm mortified. 1:53:51.800 --> 1:53:52.639 We were shooting a. 1:53:52.600 --> 1:53:54.880 Scene like where we're in a bed and we're I'm 1:53:54.880 --> 1:53:57.640 the best friend and she likes a guy and he 1:53:57.680 --> 1:53:58.320 doesn't like her. 1:53:58.479 --> 1:54:00.759 So what are we doing. We're like, you know, moaning 1:54:00.760 --> 1:54:02.360 and eating candy like women do. 1:54:04.320 --> 1:54:06.599 And actually I also took a tooth out in that 1:54:06.680 --> 1:54:09.360 scene with I think a juji fruit, if I want 1:54:09.360 --> 1:54:11.080 to know the whole thing. 1:54:11.240 --> 1:54:17.880 But not once, not twice, three times I called Tony's 1:54:18.120 --> 1:54:20.439 character my character's name. 1:54:21.200 --> 1:54:24.360 Like I didn't do it on purpose, obviously, but whatever 1:54:24.400 --> 1:54:26.200 my character's name was, if it was Betty, I was 1:54:26.240 --> 1:54:28.439 like so Betty, I don't think you And on the 1:54:28.479 --> 1:54:31.280 third time she was like, no, you're fucking Betty and 1:54:31.360 --> 1:54:32.320 I'm fucking and I. 1:54:32.240 --> 1:54:35.240 Was like, my god, I'm so sorry, you. 1:54:35.200 --> 1:54:37.440 Know, And I just thought, because I love Tony, I 1:54:37.440 --> 1:54:40.200 have no problem with Tony. I just I did want 1:54:40.240 --> 1:54:44.879 to play that part because you know, fat girls. I mean, Jesus, 1:54:45.000 --> 1:54:48.680 It's like, I know what that is. Okay, that's all 1:54:48.680 --> 1:54:49.200 I'm saying. 1:54:49.520 --> 1:54:52.280 Yeah, the audition, Yeah, it's so funny. The auditions are 1:54:52.280 --> 1:54:54.680 always just like that. I get her, always like she 1:54:54.720 --> 1:54:57.520 loves eat lunch, she's a bitch at work, everyone hates her, 1:54:57.560 --> 1:54:59.680 and that's like all the descriptions of every one. 1:54:59.720 --> 1:55:02.640 And then I I helped my Red. She's like, that's 1:55:02.640 --> 1:55:03.880 always a description that I help. 1:55:03.960 --> 1:55:09.360 Our friend Sidney Washington is like a really beautiful, stereotypically 1:55:09.400 --> 1:55:11.680 beautiful woman, and I helped her read lines and the 1:55:11.720 --> 1:55:15.600 description was like Fox NBA players so hot, and I 1:55:15.600 --> 1:55:18.200 was like, it's so fun how we have such different 1:55:18.280 --> 1:55:20.520 different breakdowns, different breakdowns. 1:55:20.760 --> 1:55:21.640 Oh my god. 1:55:21.840 --> 1:55:24.280 I love the way that every woman is always described 1:55:24.320 --> 1:55:28.680 as being like unbelievably beautiful first, you know, yeah. 1:55:28.440 --> 1:55:30.960 But she doesn't know it. 1:55:30.360 --> 1:55:32.760 She never knows it. 1:55:33.160 --> 1:55:35.600 She knows because if she knew it, because then she 1:55:36.440 --> 1:55:39.280 if she knew it one a nightmare exactly. 1:55:39.040 --> 1:55:42.800 Or like a lot of my descriptions like disheveled, annoying, 1:55:42.960 --> 1:55:44.520 you know, but I'm happy to do it. 1:55:44.720 --> 1:55:45.120 I don't know. 1:55:46.200 --> 1:55:47.920 Yeah, she's available people. 1:55:48.080 --> 1:55:51.560 Yeah, that's just so cool. I've known we haven't talked 1:55:51.600 --> 1:55:51.960 to someone. 1:55:52.160 --> 1:55:54.200 I've never really heard an experience of like being on 1:55:54.280 --> 1:55:56.360 set with this like huge part that you really wanted. 1:55:56.400 --> 1:55:57.560 That's like really wild. 1:55:58.560 --> 1:55:59.920 Yeah, it was a lot. 1:56:00.200 --> 1:56:03.360 I remember being like, oh great, I'm sloppy seconds they're 1:56:03.400 --> 1:56:05.000 going to give me scale and I got to be 1:56:05.040 --> 1:56:05.560 the friend. 1:56:06.520 --> 1:56:10.680 I'll do it, you know, I'll be right there. Yeah. 1:56:10.760 --> 1:56:12.760 Do you have anything coming up you'd love to share 1:56:12.880 --> 1:56:14.240 with our listeners to find? 1:56:14.320 --> 1:56:17.000 Yeah, besides, what's the name of the book yet? 1:56:17.280 --> 1:56:22.040 Wait? What book? I'm like, what book? Sunday Matinee. 1:56:22.280 --> 1:56:23.480 Sunday Matinee. I love that. 1:56:23.640 --> 1:56:26.400 Okay, Sunday Matinee by brook Smith coming out this fall. 1:56:26.440 --> 1:56:28.920 Everyone will check that out and then any other any 1:56:29.000 --> 1:56:32.520 like acting projects happening in the game A. 1:56:33.440 --> 1:56:35.920 There is something in the can It's I don't think 1:56:35.920 --> 1:56:37.920 it's going to have that title though, that's the thing. 1:56:38.680 --> 1:56:42.560 It's an FX limited series with one of my favorite actors, 1:56:42.600 --> 1:56:43.919 Brian Tyree Henry. 1:56:44.080 --> 1:56:45.840 Oh he's so good. I love him. 1:56:45.840 --> 1:56:47.440 Oh my god, I love him too. 1:56:47.560 --> 1:56:49.680 I will watch him in anything. I love it literally 1:56:49.720 --> 1:56:52.200 the same. I love him. 1:56:52.200 --> 1:56:57.440 He's so I mean beyond. And Kate Marra and this 1:56:57.440 --> 1:56:59.280 guy Jake McDormand. 1:56:58.840 --> 1:56:59.839 She's an SVU. 1:57:00.880 --> 1:57:03.920 Oh I'll bet she is it happen to her something bad? 1:57:04.400 --> 1:57:06.160 Or no, she was a bad girl. 1:57:06.440 --> 1:57:09.520 Yes, she was a gymnast that killed her friend because 1:57:09.560 --> 1:57:10.520 she wanted to be the best. 1:57:11.120 --> 1:57:15.200 Oh yes, oh, okay, yeah, I love that. 1:57:15.320 --> 1:57:16.200 What season is that? 1:57:16.240 --> 1:57:20.320 I'm all early like four or five. It's called Pixies. 1:57:20.360 --> 1:57:21.520 The episode is called Pixies. 1:57:21.600 --> 1:57:24.959 Oh wait is the FX is it like a mystery Vibe. 1:57:25.920 --> 1:57:29.720 It's kind of jumps all around in time, past, present, future, 1:57:30.320 --> 1:57:35.720 FBI AI. There's a lot of AI stuff happening. I'm 1:57:35.720 --> 1:57:37.000 an FBI instructor. 1:57:38.240 --> 1:57:40.880 Oh, and it's all about my class right now. It's 1:57:40.880 --> 1:57:41.960 called Class of O nine. 1:57:42.080 --> 1:57:44.080 And it's the Class of O nine and what happens 1:57:44.080 --> 1:57:45.400 to each one of them when they get out of 1:57:45.480 --> 1:57:48.240 Quantico and and one of them becomes the head of 1:57:48.240 --> 1:57:53.480 the FBI and maybe chooses safety rather than privacy. I 1:57:53.520 --> 1:57:57.240 guess it's all happening in real life right now in 1:57:57.320 --> 1:58:02.080 our country and others. Yeah, so that's that's what that is. 1:58:02.120 --> 1:58:02.800 I have no idea. 1:58:02.840 --> 1:58:04.880 I haven't even gone and done ad R yet, so 1:58:04.960 --> 1:58:06.040 I don't know what it's all. 1:58:06.120 --> 1:58:09.080 Right. Well, that's actually on the IMDb as class of 1:58:09.160 --> 1:58:11.400 O nine, so we'll have everybody check that out when 1:58:11.400 --> 1:58:12.040 it comes out. 1:58:13.240 --> 1:58:16.040 This was really thank you so much. I truly was like, 1:58:16.120 --> 1:58:16.440 are we. 1:58:16.400 --> 1:58:19.919 Gonna get Delia? Like, I was so excited to have you. Yeah, 1:58:19.960 --> 1:58:24.600 totally aka Catherine, aka all of the different awesome roles 1:58:24.600 --> 1:58:25.040 you've played. 1:58:25.040 --> 1:58:27.160 Were so excited to talk to you. Thank you so much. 1:58:27.720 --> 1:58:29.640 Thank you guys. 1:58:32.760 --> 1:58:34.640 How do you feel Kara? Oh my god. 1:58:34.680 --> 1:58:35.960 I just love her. I just want to hang out 1:58:35.960 --> 1:58:37.520 with her. And I don't think that she wants to. 1:58:37.560 --> 1:58:39.880 I don't think she feels the same. But I would 1:58:39.920 --> 1:58:42.120 like to think you pop up from doobesy. Yeah, so 1:58:42.360 --> 1:58:44.000 pot with me in the East village with her daughter. 1:58:44.400 --> 1:58:45.000 I'll do it. 1:58:45.600 --> 1:58:47.840 I was like when she said that, I was like, 1:58:47.880 --> 1:58:50.280 you're probably such a fun mom, Like I would love 1:58:50.320 --> 1:58:51.960 to be like the kind of mom that she is. 1:58:52.000 --> 1:58:52.520 I bet no. 1:58:52.760 --> 1:58:55.280 I actually walked through Thompson Square Park and thought of 1:58:55.280 --> 1:58:58.960 her on my latest New York visit. I was like, wow, 1:58:59.040 --> 1:59:03.920 this is where Brooks smoke pot so but I had 1:59:03.920 --> 1:59:05.920 just speed walk. I was running late to something. And 1:59:05.960 --> 1:59:08.760 you know, I've said this, I keep saying. I think 1:59:08.760 --> 1:59:11.040 I might have mentioned an intro. But I love that 1:59:11.120 --> 1:59:14.800 she brings up nepotism in a casual, real way, and 1:59:15.000 --> 1:59:15.920 I am honored. 1:59:16.000 --> 1:59:19.040 And it's just like, thank you. 1:59:19.280 --> 1:59:21.840 It doesn't make you less talented, it doesn't make you 1:59:21.920 --> 1:59:25.560 less worthy. It's just admitting that you had an in 1:59:26.000 --> 1:59:28.160 and it helped you. Yeah, what's the problem. 1:59:28.480 --> 1:59:31.280 Yeah you got I tell everybody about my little legs 1:59:31.360 --> 1:59:35.720 up whenever I've gotten any But you know, I can't 1:59:35.720 --> 1:59:37.320 wait to see the next stuff that she does. 1:59:37.360 --> 1:59:39.040 And I bet that that album, I bet that that. 1:59:39.960 --> 1:59:42.240 Book of photography she does about the punk scene is 1:59:42.280 --> 1:59:43.800 like cool as hell. I bet that would be an 1:59:43.840 --> 1:59:46.600 awesome gift for like a coffee table book for. 1:59:46.800 --> 1:59:48.400 Your cool, edgy arty friend. 1:59:48.920 --> 1:59:51.160 And she gave us tea, I mean the Tony Collett tea. 1:59:51.240 --> 1:59:52.920 I mean that's like, she is great. 1:59:53.040 --> 1:59:54.880 Love that. You know, It's funny. 1:59:54.880 --> 1:59:56.840 We talked about auditions and stuff with her. So I 1:59:56.880 --> 2:00:01.200 did have a callback today and I took a sip 2:00:01.200 --> 2:00:04.040 of white Claw like on the call because it's like Ferner. 2:00:04.240 --> 2:00:06.800 But then they go love the white Claw, and I go, well, 2:00:06.800 --> 2:00:08.480 you know, I'm a little nervous, and then they go, 2:00:08.560 --> 2:00:10.080 we thought it was part of the character, and I 2:00:10.120 --> 2:00:10.720 went it was. 2:00:10.840 --> 2:00:19.400 It was for sure, amazing. I love, but the character 2:00:19.520 --> 2:00:19.960 is whacky. 2:00:20.000 --> 2:00:22.960 I only go out really for you wear your emotions 2:00:23.040 --> 2:00:25.520 right on your fucking sleeve, Liza. 2:00:26.560 --> 2:00:27.600 I know I can't. 2:00:27.680 --> 2:00:29.760 I mean honestly, like, we love doing this in the 2:00:29.760 --> 2:00:32.840 post mortem. But I did send Kara a screenshot of 2:00:32.880 --> 2:00:35.760 a disturbing text I just got and I cannot wait 2:00:35.760 --> 2:00:36.640 to discuss it with you. 2:00:37.520 --> 2:00:38.600 It's like nuts, It's. 2:00:38.440 --> 2:00:40.360 Like, okay, yeah, Brooks Smith was great, move it along. 2:00:40.440 --> 2:00:46.200 What's the charity? I'm kidding, It's amazing and we It's. 2:00:46.040 --> 2:00:48.600 Hard, honestly, on a macro serious level. 2:00:48.680 --> 2:00:49.520 It's so hard to. 2:00:49.720 --> 2:00:54.040 Envision change happening on a big stage because all of 2:00:54.120 --> 2:00:57.840 the power players are part of this trafficking sex, trafficking 2:00:58.600 --> 2:01:03.000 underage girl Ray. It's like, how do we crush a 2:01:03.040 --> 2:01:06.720 system when the judges and cops and district attorneys and 2:01:06.760 --> 2:01:07.200 all of them. 2:01:07.440 --> 2:01:10.120 Everybody at the top has secrets. Everybody at the top 2:01:10.160 --> 2:01:12.520 has to protect their own ass. There's always like money. 2:01:12.560 --> 2:01:14.640 I mean, we just keep running into that, like in 2:01:14.720 --> 2:01:17.440 episodes that we're doing for this podcast of like, yeah, 2:01:17.440 --> 2:01:19.280 they were found guilty, but then they just appealed and 2:01:19.280 --> 2:01:21.520 appealed and appealed because they had endless money and then 2:01:21.520 --> 2:01:22.080 they were out. 2:01:22.200 --> 2:01:25.840 You know, like it's just, uh, it's it's wild. 2:01:25.840 --> 2:01:28.360 But that Ron Rifkin part at the end really like 2:01:28.840 --> 2:01:30.960 it encapsulates that. It's like, you guys don't know how 2:01:31.000 --> 2:01:33.720 fucking deep this goes. Like the shit goes really deep. 2:01:33.720 --> 2:01:37.280 I was just reading an article on that Hillary Clinton 2:01:37.360 --> 2:01:40.480 aide who got murdered in DC, and like there was 2:01:40.520 --> 2:01:42.960 a fucking pro Trump cop that was trying to meddle 2:01:43.000 --> 2:01:43.880 with the investigation. 2:01:44.080 --> 2:01:45.280 Like there's just so much. 2:01:46.080 --> 2:01:48.280 We look at other countries, like we look at like 2:01:48.280 --> 2:01:50.280 third world countries, We're like, look at all that corruption. 2:01:50.520 --> 2:01:51.760 We have just as fucking much. 2:01:51.880 --> 2:01:54.839 You know, we're just on another level with our corruption 2:01:56.080 --> 2:01:56.920 and worldwide. 2:01:56.920 --> 2:01:59.760 I mean I remember like sometimes when you travel you 2:01:59.800 --> 2:02:02.120 meet people and they're just like, oh, well, I used 2:02:02.120 --> 2:02:02.960 to live in this country. 2:02:02.960 --> 2:02:05.120 But then your country bombed it and now it doesn't exist. 2:02:05.320 --> 2:02:08.240 Yeah, like oh yeah, my bad, Like it's just like 2:02:08.360 --> 2:02:09.919 international terrorism. 2:02:10.000 --> 2:02:11.840 I hope they don't shut down this podcast. But we 2:02:11.880 --> 2:02:12.400 know the truth. 2:02:15.240 --> 2:02:17.880 Oh, I would say another post mortem take away from 2:02:17.880 --> 2:02:20.280 this episode is like definitely the don't judge. 2:02:20.120 --> 2:02:20.920 A book by its cover. 2:02:21.040 --> 2:02:23.400 You would never run into someone who looks like Delia 2:02:23.440 --> 2:02:29.240 Wilson in her you know, little padded vests and Wellington's 2:02:29.240 --> 2:02:34.280 and think that she was leaving dead sex workers in 2:02:34.400 --> 2:02:36.880 beds of Captain Creagan and all this stuff. 2:02:36.960 --> 2:02:39.880 So you know, just you never know what people are best. 2:02:40.000 --> 2:02:44.680 Criminals are the most underground, because why do if you're flashy, 2:02:44.720 --> 2:02:48.080 you're not that deep, like yeah, right, or you're dumb 2:02:48.120 --> 2:02:52.240 like Teresa Judy che right right? 2:02:52.520 --> 2:02:53.879 Like who? 2:02:54.040 --> 2:02:57.680 Like okay, the BTK was like a pastor and like 2:02:57.720 --> 2:03:00.040 a family man. You know, there's like all kinds of 2:03:00.040 --> 2:03:03.280 of same with that Baker Butcher of Alaska, Like I 2:03:03.280 --> 2:03:05.240 mean with men, I always believe there can be a 2:03:05.280 --> 2:03:07.120 second side. What I like on this one is that 2:03:07.160 --> 2:03:09.640 it's a woman who's got this like devious sect. Like 2:03:09.800 --> 2:03:11.400 obviously I wouldn't like to see it in real life, 2:03:11.440 --> 2:03:15.560 but in the show it's fun. Yeah, and then I 2:03:16.360 --> 2:03:21.760 really like, I unfortunately learned a lot of sad information 2:03:21.840 --> 2:03:25.960 about that case against Greg Kelly that you researched, because 2:03:25.960 --> 2:03:26.440 that was. 2:03:26.960 --> 2:03:27.560 So fucked it. 2:03:27.560 --> 2:03:29.760 It's just so fucked that people with power can just 2:03:29.840 --> 2:03:32.880 like humiliate a victim and like run their name through 2:03:32.880 --> 2:03:34.640 the mud until they don't want to press charges anymore, 2:03:34.760 --> 2:03:36.800 until they just like back down, and like it's it's 2:03:36.800 --> 2:03:38.160 so fucked up, it really is. 2:03:38.200 --> 2:03:40.480 I just had a conversation with a comment We were 2:03:40.520 --> 2:03:44.920 talking about like warm up comedians for sitcoms, and it's 2:03:44.960 --> 2:03:47.720 like the people who entertain the people that are at 2:03:47.960 --> 2:03:50.240 the live tapings, the laughs that you hear, and they 2:03:50.240 --> 2:03:52.560 really have to entertain everyone for six seven hours. 2:03:52.640 --> 2:03:55.760 It's really wild. Sometimes on their chin it's like nuts. 2:03:56.160 --> 2:03:59.320 Not for a sitcom, he has, Oh my god, it's 2:03:59.320 --> 2:03:59.840 done it for sick. 2:04:00.400 --> 2:04:02.640 It's it's called up down because like you have to 2:04:02.720 --> 2:04:04.280 get up. You have to sit down, like you have 2:04:04.320 --> 2:04:06.000 to just keep getting up. When they need a break, 2:04:06.040 --> 2:04:08.280 you just get up and like are like dance, monkey dance. 2:04:08.360 --> 2:04:09.360 You know, it's crazy. 2:04:09.560 --> 2:04:12.400 I guess one of the hot shot ones a long 2:04:12.440 --> 2:04:15.240 time ago did a thing with an audience member where 2:04:15.600 --> 2:04:18.840 he like, did it you know that joke where it's like, oh, 2:04:18.960 --> 2:04:20.600 just kiss me on the cheek and then you move 2:04:20.640 --> 2:04:23.040 and you get kissed on the lips. Oh yeah, And 2:04:23.080 --> 2:04:25.440 so this woman ended up suing the network and getting 2:04:25.440 --> 2:04:27.400 all this money because this guy was talented and they 2:04:27.440 --> 2:04:30.120 wanted to protect whatever. And then we were talking about 2:04:30.120 --> 2:04:32.640 it and one comic goes, oh, come on, you're gonna. 2:04:32.360 --> 2:04:33.000 Sue the network. 2:04:33.000 --> 2:04:37.600 I go, you cannot kiss someone without their without say, but. 2:04:37.560 --> 2:04:38.040 You have to say. 2:04:38.080 --> 2:04:40.560 I'm like, I don't understand how this is even a conversation. 2:04:41.000 --> 2:04:43.400 I'm like, you shouldn't talk about this out loud. You 2:04:43.440 --> 2:04:45.840 think it's okay to trick someone into kissing you on 2:04:45.880 --> 2:04:47.720 the lips and you think, I'm like, he still has 2:04:47.720 --> 2:04:49.800 his job. So I don't know why you're so concerned 2:04:49.840 --> 2:04:52.680 that a corporation lost money. Of course they did, but 2:04:52.760 --> 2:04:55.800 it's like even these little things where it's like what 2:04:56.120 --> 2:04:59.160 world are we living in? Like I have to convince 2:04:59.240 --> 2:05:01.320 it because I'm like, well, let's change it up and 2:05:01.400 --> 2:05:03.400 let's say it was a dude and it was like 2:05:03.440 --> 2:05:05.560 a straight guy who then got tricked into kissing a 2:05:05.560 --> 2:05:07.000 guy on the lips. Are you going to have the 2:05:07.000 --> 2:05:11.480 same reaction. Is it just fun in games? Everyone's chilling cool, Like, 2:05:11.560 --> 2:05:15.640 I'm sure you would think differently about it. I don't 2:05:15.680 --> 2:05:17.200 know it just like I don't know how we even 2:05:17.240 --> 2:05:19.240 got here or how it connected what we were talking about. 2:05:19.240 --> 2:05:20.720 But it was this wild thing of like, oh, the 2:05:20.800 --> 2:05:23.040 lawsuits and stuff. Yeah, but it was this wild thing 2:05:23.040 --> 2:05:27.080 of like, yeah, you can't do that, Yeah I don't. 2:05:27.200 --> 2:05:28.960 And so then it starts little and then it's like, 2:05:29.000 --> 2:05:31.080 when do you stop excusing this stuff? 2:05:31.320 --> 2:05:35.280 Yes, you can kiss someone on the lips at work, Yeah, 2:05:35.800 --> 2:05:38.680 that seems like something. Honestly, that seems like something Greg 2:05:38.760 --> 2:05:39.400 Kelly would do. 2:05:40.240 --> 2:05:40.800 Oh my god. 2:05:40.920 --> 2:05:42.960 And the audience at the show, there was like two 2:05:43.040 --> 2:05:45.440 lawyers that worked together and they pretended they weren't fucking, 2:05:45.440 --> 2:05:48.040 and it's like we I wouldn't leave them alone, and 2:05:48.080 --> 2:05:51.680 obviously they were fucking. But she kept like, weaseling out 2:05:51.720 --> 2:05:54.200 of my accusations, and I go, are you guys lawyers? 2:05:54.240 --> 2:05:55.760 And she goes, how'd you know? I go, the way 2:05:55.800 --> 2:06:02.200 you're weaseling this stuff? Of course your lawyer is very apparent. 2:06:02.440 --> 2:06:04.840 She's like, how do you know you're of course, we 2:06:04.880 --> 2:06:07.040 love all our listeners that are lawyers. But you guys 2:06:07.080 --> 2:06:09.480 are very good at weaseling out of conversation. 2:06:09.880 --> 2:06:13.240 I'm done doing tangents. Let's move this saloon. Yeah, so sorry. 2:06:13.640 --> 2:06:15.560 Let's get to this week's What would Sister Peg Do? 2:06:15.840 --> 2:06:17.920 You guys know what would Sister Peg Do? It is 2:06:17.920 --> 2:06:21.000 our weekly segment where we point you to a organization, 2:06:21.320 --> 2:06:23.560 a resource, an article, a book, something they can give 2:06:23.600 --> 2:06:26.080 you more info about what we touched on in today's episode. 2:06:26.160 --> 2:06:28.800 And I think this week, since I don't think there's 2:06:28.840 --> 2:06:30.720 a ton of like, hey, don't get involved with an 2:06:30.800 --> 2:06:34.400 Upper east Side madam, advice we can give, I wanted 2:06:34.440 --> 2:06:36.839 to point you all to the BuzzFeed article that Lisa 2:06:37.080 --> 2:06:39.440 used in some of her research from two penty fourteen 2:06:39.560 --> 2:06:43.000 about the Greg Kelly rape allegation. It's titled she Accused 2:06:43.000 --> 2:06:45.680 a TV anchor of rape and got dragged through the tabloids. 2:06:46.120 --> 2:06:48.480 It was written by Jessica Tessa, and, like Lisa mentioned, 2:06:48.480 --> 2:06:50.480 before this article was published, there was so much spin 2:06:50.600 --> 2:06:52.880 going on about how the girl was shady and in 2:06:52.960 --> 2:06:55.040 it for money and in it for fame. 2:06:54.760 --> 2:06:55.520 Of some sort. 2:06:56.000 --> 2:06:57.680 But this article does a good job of laying out 2:06:57.680 --> 2:06:59.680 the events of the crime in an objective manner and 2:06:59.680 --> 2:07:02.040 getting Maria de Toro's side of the story, which I 2:07:02.040 --> 2:07:05.720 think we all should hear. So you can find that 2:07:05.800 --> 2:07:07.560 article on BuzzFeed. We also linked to it in our 2:07:07.560 --> 2:07:09.920 show notes. We also put it on our Instagram stories 2:07:09.920 --> 2:07:13.160 the day that the show is released, and all of 2:07:13.200 --> 2:07:15.320 our what would Sister peg dos are saved into a 2:07:15.400 --> 2:07:17.600 highlight on our Instagram called WWSPD. 2:07:18.080 --> 2:07:21.080 Thank you so much. Yeah, it was a good read. 2:07:21.240 --> 2:07:22.640 Thank you for highlighting. 2:07:22.800 --> 2:07:27.520 And next week we'll be doing Plastic Season twenty, episode eleven. 2:07:28.160 --> 2:07:32.040 Get ready, bucks, it's wild, it's sexy. Maybe get some lube. 2:07:32.040 --> 2:07:36.680 There will be girls kissing bye guys. 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