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Speaker 4: Welcome in everybody, Hi, hell so.
Speaker 3: How are you in. I'm good. It's been like a
Speaker 3: bit of a whirlwind of travel these last two weeks
Speaker 3: with the DNC, and then on Tuesday for the other podcast,
Speaker 3: I got to go do something very cool and do
Speaker 3: an interview at the White House. It was really neat.
Speaker 3: It was really really neat, and Easton came and we
Speaker 3: just were like I also got to play tour guide
Speaker 3: and show him around everywhere and take him like into
Speaker 3: the press briefing room and stuff. It was real sweet.
Speaker 4: What a boss move being able to show someone around
Speaker 4: the White House. Kudos to you, thank you.
Speaker 3: I know, it's actually really funny. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: so this hallway and these and the stairs here and
Speaker 3: that's where the bowling alley is, and did you know
Speaker 3: that in the sixties, And the girl who had like
Speaker 3: come to meet us from the office was like, you
Speaker 3: know where everything is. I was like, Oh, I'm really
Speaker 3: letting my my nerdy freak flag fly, aren't I.
Speaker 4: Secret Service starts whispering about you put her on a list.
Speaker 4: Maybe we put her on a list. I was like, hey, guys,
Speaker 4: that's so funny. People are like, oh, I went, I
Speaker 4: got floor seats at a concert, and You're like, oh, really,
Speaker 4: I give tours of La Casa Blanca, fools.
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed. Never have I called it La Casa Blanca,
Speaker 3: but I will from here on out.
Speaker 4: It's fun. Run with it, audience. If you like it,
Speaker 4: run with it. It's yours run with it? Will we Where
Speaker 4: where in the world are you right now? This is
Speaker 4: a new background.
Speaker 3: I am on the East Coast, and I am like
Speaker 3: literally hiding speaking softly in my room because there are
Speaker 3: other meetings happening in the main room where I normally
Speaker 3: podcast with you guys, and so it's like it just
Speaker 3: happens to be one of those hours of the day
Speaker 3: where everybody needs quiet. Yeah, it's if you can see
Speaker 3: the setup of how all my technical gear is propped
Speaker 3: up like on pillows and there's like a light stand
Speaker 3: with a blanket wrapped around.
Speaker 4: And hold it up and it's just.
Speaker 3: Elegance.
Speaker 4: I feel you, sister. I am. I'm currently in my
Speaker 4: house on Jenny's sewing table. My computer is propped up
Speaker 4: on a sewing box. I mean, it's just you know,
Speaker 4: by hook or crook, we're making it happen.
Speaker 3: I like seeing all the fun like kid trampoline, climbing wedges,
Speaker 3: all the stuff back behind you. I'm like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Don't know what you mean by kid. That's my mini trampoline.
Speaker 3: Those are my.
Speaker 4: That's my inflatable punching right now. Yeah, it's it's a
Speaker 4: kid's it's a kid's playground down here. And dad, Dad
Speaker 4: gets in the mix. Yeah, hello, all right, we got
Speaker 4: to talk about this episode because there is so much
Speaker 4: to unpack. There's a lot here about. It's season seven,
Speaker 4: episode nine, Now You Lift Your Eyes to the Sun.
Speaker 4: Air date November ninth, two thousand and nine. Synopsis reads
Speaker 4: Haley returns to the stage and Brooke receives life changing news. Meanwhile,
Speaker 4: Dan Scott returns to tree Hill, much to the chagrin
Speaker 4: of Nathan, who was about to sign a new NBA
Speaker 4: contract with the help of his agent Clay. Written by
Speaker 4: Karen Gist, I apologize if you pronounce it just Karen,
Speaker 4: directed by the incomparable, irreplaceable Sophia Bush.
Speaker 3: Stop you're sweet?
Speaker 4: Hey, what's your middle name?
Speaker 3: Anna?
Speaker 4: Sophia Anna Bush? That rolls off the tongue.
Speaker 3: Well, it feels weird to me. I have no connection
Speaker 3: to my middle name at all. But it's all right,
Speaker 3: I'll take it.
Speaker 4: Is there anyone in the family was it named after?
Speaker 3: It comes out of that whole like I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's that whole Italian like Maria Anna. There's there's all
Speaker 3: those sort of classic names in the lineage, and yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know some person somewhere in the fam.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 4: So what was it like watching this episode? For you?
Speaker 3: This was honestly such a trip, because I just remember
Speaker 3: there are there are things that I had forgotten, and
Speaker 3: there are things I remember in such detail, like I
Speaker 3: I remember sitting down and building out my director's binder
Speaker 3: with the overhead floor plans of all the sets and
Speaker 3: mapping out all the blocking and where people were going
Speaker 3: to be and why, And you know, some of it
Speaker 3: works beautifully and some of it. You have to change
Speaker 3: on the fly on the day. I remember us trying
Speaker 3: to figure out how to get out of one scene
Speaker 3: in Peter Kowalski. Our DP was like, oh, well, if
Speaker 3: we did this transition, then we can fade into this
Speaker 3: transition with this other thing. And there's like you prepare
Speaker 3: and you over prepare for everything, and then there's also
Speaker 3: just stuff you can't really know will happen. Weirdly, the
Speaker 3: two things I remember the most are sitting in the
Speaker 3: director's chair directing in Trick in that outfit from the
Speaker 3: Haley concert. Yeah, and I remember what it felt like
Speaker 3: to shoot all those scenes to get into Brooks whole fertility,
Speaker 3: heartbreak journey. And then the other thing I remember the
Speaker 3: most is the stuff that you and me and Chantelle
Speaker 3: did out at the beach that night, because I really
Speaker 3: wanted to do this beautiful walk and talk with the
Speaker 3: two of you and have this moment out there where
Speaker 3: you where we could really see that you were out
Speaker 3: on the on the sand alone and it was dark
Speaker 3: and it was beautiful. And the complexity of doing that
Speaker 3: meant that everything had to be on a steady cam.
Speaker 3: We had to have, you know, someone from our Electricians Department,
Speaker 3: holding a light on a stick, falling you guys, following
Speaker 3: like a ball light down the sand. I mean, it
Speaker 3: was so silly to watch it, but it looked as
Speaker 3: beautiful as I wanted it to, and it felt so
Speaker 3: important to me. I remember all of us having these
Speaker 3: conversations about that budding chemistry between Clay and Quinn, and
Speaker 3: like how I wanted everyone to be able to feel it,
Speaker 3: and I wanted it to be awkward for Nathan to
Speaker 3: be sat between the two of you when you clearly
Speaker 3: so badly want to kiss at the bar but you
Speaker 3: hadn't yet, and the whole thing, and I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, it all worked. And I just remember
Speaker 3: being so so invested with you guys because you were
Speaker 3: our new characters and your relationship meant so much, and
Speaker 3: feeling like I got to direct the episode where we
Speaker 3: got to see Clay and Quinn really begin and really
Speaker 3: take the leap into admitting that they cared for each
Speaker 3: other felt like such a big responsibility for me, not
Speaker 3: just because I wanted you guys to feel taken care of,
Speaker 3: but because you were the couple coming in to, you know,
Speaker 3: fulfill that sort of trifecta tent pole of Peyton and Lucas,
Speaker 3: and I don't know, it was so weird how it
Speaker 3: invested in you guys. I've felt and I completely forgot
Speaker 3: that the episode for me revolved around the love triangle
Speaker 3: with Austin and Janna. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: this is the episode and I directed those scenes. You
Speaker 3: would think I would have remembered.
Speaker 4: Well, I think the stuff with Clay and Quinn, you
Speaker 4: totally you stuck the landing, So did you, guys? Though,
Speaker 4: well thanks, okay, Yeah, I mean it was a good
Speaker 4: team effort because I remember I was telling you, oh, team,
Speaker 4: earlier in the season that there was the episode where
Speaker 4: I thought Clay and Quinn had hooked up that first
Speaker 4: night she goes home with him, and I was really
Speaker 4: disappointed and bummed out because I was I remember thinking
Speaker 4: that this is their origin story.
Speaker 3: That's what you're like, Why don't I remember this? What
Speaker 3: a bummer?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then of course I realized that wasn't the case.
Speaker 4: But this episode was great because I really felt like
Speaker 4: I saw them kind of falling into place with each other,
Speaker 4: and then the first kiss. I love that it almost
Speaker 4: happens in the dark room. It almost happens a couple
Speaker 4: of times. Yes, And that scene on the beach is
Speaker 4: really it's pretty magical, like it came across that it
Speaker 4: was it was a special moment because it's great. It
Speaker 4: needs to be something rememberable. It needs to have, you know,
Speaker 4: some special quality to it because it's a big thing.
Speaker 4: You know, it's the beginning of these two. But I
Speaker 4: would say you captured it wonderfully.
Speaker 3: I really, I just remember how much fun it was,
Speaker 3: and I remember those conversations about that scene at the
Speaker 3: bar with you guys, you know, with Clay Quinn and Nathan,
Speaker 3: the scene in the dark room. How it's like when
Speaker 3: you have that feeling and it's getting so big, it's
Speaker 3: like a balloon filling up. You feel like it's going
Speaker 3: to burst out of you. And I could feel that
Speaker 3: watching you too, and I remember thinking like, oh, we're
Speaker 3: getting it. It feels like it's building and building and
Speaker 3: building on set, but you never know how something's going
Speaker 3: to translate on camera. And you know, there's even some
Speaker 3: funny things like the way we transitioned down into y'all's
Speaker 3: feet on the beach. We were transitioning into Austin and
Speaker 3: Janna's hands in the sink, but like seconds get clipped
Speaker 3: here and there for time because you have to get
Speaker 3: your episode to forty two minutes. And I remember being like, oh,
Speaker 3: they were supposed to be like wrestling over the little
Speaker 3: drug vial and then like it just got to a
Speaker 3: close up of like Swarowsky crystals, and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: that was a bummer. But it's the funny stuff that
Speaker 3: you know, you might not notice as a viewer, but
Speaker 3: that I remember even all these years later as a director,
Speaker 3: And there was something so cool about having this experience.
Speaker 3: You know, I'd really gotten to shadow the producers for
Speaker 3: so long at this point on our show. But no
Speaker 3: matter how ready you might feel to direct, it's also
Speaker 3: so scary, and it like it lit up my love
Speaker 3: for our show again in a cool way. And it
Speaker 3: also helped me learn as an actor, Oh if if
Speaker 3: this is a real the important thing for us to
Speaker 3: open the scene on. I got to figure out how
Speaker 3: to talk over it. I got to figure out how
Speaker 3: to do something to where it can't get clipped in
Speaker 3: the editing room. And I learned those lessons in such
Speaker 3: a different way getting behind the camera and seeing it.
Speaker 4: It's like that I don't know if you ever did
Speaker 4: Did you ever do commercials?
Speaker 3: I did one commercial. That's actually how I got my
Speaker 3: sagcard in high school.
Speaker 4: Same what was yours?
Speaker 3: It was a KitKat commercial?
Speaker 4: Oh was that a national commercial?
Speaker 3: It sure was. It's how I was able to get
Speaker 3: my SAG card, pay my dues, to get into the Union,
Speaker 3: I bought my first car. It was like the coolest
Speaker 3: thing that ever happened to me. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 4: That's fantastic. Mine was for a Ross commercial and they
Speaker 4: had already hired someone else for the role. But then
Speaker 4: at the callback, they had said they felt bad for
Speaker 4: me because I had to drive in from Claremont, so
Speaker 4: I was about an hour late. And they knew that.
Speaker 4: Say thought, I'll just let this guy audition. And I
Speaker 4: did the regular audition and I said, hey, for the callback,
Speaker 4: we just want to know can you dance so bad
Speaker 4: you make us laugh?
Speaker 3: You were like I was born ready for this.
Speaker 4: I just remember saying, just turn the music on and
Speaker 4: I just freestyled bad dance for forty five seconds and
Speaker 4: they were like, it was done. I got it in
Speaker 4: the room. But I say this because there's this thing
Speaker 4: you learned very quickly in commercials where, especially if you're
Speaker 4: doing a food commercial or a product commercial, always be
Speaker 4: the person eating the food or holding the food because
Speaker 4: they can't cut you out, they can't cut around you.
Speaker 3: Genius, right.
Speaker 4: I thought that was so sporious. So like what you're saying,
Speaker 4: it's like, talk over what you can't you can't lose, Yeah,
Speaker 4: horse their hand.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I really learned that lesson the hard way. Next season,
Speaker 3: in season eight, I got to direct our Halloween episode
Speaker 3: and my god, Peter Kowalsky and I designed the coolest
Speaker 3: opening ever because we were I was told that they
Speaker 3: were going to forego some commercials and do like a
Speaker 3: presented by thing. So I was going to get like
Speaker 3: the teaser was supposed to be twice as long as
Speaker 3: it was, and then, you know, probably some person who
Speaker 3: was responsible for paying the bills on our show was like,
Speaker 3: we're not doing that, absolutely not, And so this beautiful,
Speaker 3: like action movie teaser that we directed for the Halloween
Speaker 3: episode of season eight got chopped up and it is
Speaker 3: actually like this thing I'm single handedly the most embarrassed
Speaker 3: by that I've ever put out in the world because
Speaker 3: it just doesn't work in the way that it aired.
Speaker 3: And so I think, like I didn't even realize knowing
Speaker 3: we were going to watch this episode, which which was
Speaker 3: my directorial debut. I was so excited, but I was
Speaker 3: also like, oh God, what terrible thing happened? Like I
Speaker 3: didn't even know as much in season seven as I
Speaker 3: knew in season eight, Like I don't want to see
Speaker 3: the mistakes. And I was like, wait a second, this
Speaker 3: episode's actually pretty lit. I love it.
Speaker 4: It was great. A bummer. Did that cut of that
Speaker 4: trailer ever see the light of day? Or is it
Speaker 4: alive online anywhere? No? Yeah, that's a bummer. It should
Speaker 4: have been on a DVD as an extra.
Speaker 3: That would have been so cool.
Speaker 4: Actually, it would have been great. So last week a joint,
Speaker 4: I did a Q and A and it was funny
Speaker 4: because one of the questions this person specifically asked what
Speaker 4: is the deal with people wearing shoes inside their houses?
Speaker 4: And I cracked up because this episode, literally the first
Speaker 4: shot is Julian asleep on your guys's couch with his shoes,
Speaker 4: his shoes on that are on a throw pillow on
Speaker 4: the couch, So not right, so not right, And so
Speaker 4: I immediately laugh. I was like, I gotta bring this
Speaker 4: up to sofa because like literally someone just asked us why,
Speaker 4: and I saw it going, what the out you're gonna have?
Speaker 4: You're gonna bring in your outside germs, your feet and
Speaker 4: put them on your couch and throw pillows? What. He
Speaker 4: wasn't drunk, he didn't pass out, No.
Speaker 3: Well, and then and then there's always like this idea,
Speaker 3: right of, oh, well he came in and flopped down
Speaker 3: at four in the morning and just passed out, And
Speaker 3: now look at him, he's got his like you know,
Speaker 3: feet up on the couch and whatever whatever. So I
Speaker 3: get the argument. I remember the argument for like selling
Speaker 3: how tired he was and how late he must have
Speaker 3: come in. But all I can think about, particularly is
Speaker 3: a person who's lived in and out of New York
Speaker 3: City for twenty years is like you just you don't
Speaker 3: wear your shoes in your apartment in New York. Like
Speaker 3: New York is dirty. It's the best place in the world,
Speaker 3: and it's also dirty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, New York streets are gross. Sorry, sorry, in New
Speaker 4: York your streets are gross.
Speaker 3: They're just like, you know, it's a lot of traffic,
Speaker 3: it's a lot of germs, and I'm just like, who, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know it drives me crazy. Like I have
Speaker 3: the shoe cabinets by the front door. I'm like, no
Speaker 3: shoes off them minute we get in the house. It's
Speaker 3: how you keep things clean. But then I also realized
Speaker 3: that like when I host parties at home in LA,
Speaker 3: like when people come over, I never ask anyone to
Speaker 3: take their shoes off. And maybe that's because we drive
Speaker 3: more there. I don't know what it is, but yes,
Speaker 3: seeing Austin's shoes on the couch set me down like
Speaker 3: a full sanitary spiral where I was like, pay attention,
Speaker 3: pay attention, stop thinking about like lysol and what laundry
Speaker 3: you need to do.
Speaker 4: The one thing about the shoes off home, because we
Speaker 4: are as well and we do tell our guests your
Speaker 4: shoes need to come off. Is if like we have
Speaker 4: a friend who they are shoes off home, but they
Speaker 4: have a dog that they take for walks and is
Speaker 4: in the backyard with coop and stuff, and so especially
Speaker 4: in New York, if you're walking your dog kind of
Speaker 4: defeats the purpose.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, you got to have the little poppad wipes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I just feel like how many people
Speaker 4: are doing those? You know, if you've ever put your
Speaker 4: dog in those booties. It's a show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not great. No, My sweet last dog rest
Speaker 3: her precious soul, was just like the absolute best. She
Speaker 3: was so funny. Rob and I took her to Toronto
Speaker 3: to film with me in the middle of winter, and
Speaker 3: I put her in snow boots and she literally just
Speaker 3: went like this and like put one of her feet
Speaker 3: out and tried to shake it and then realized it
Speaker 3: wasn't gonna come off, and then like did the rear
Speaker 3: foot on the other. I it's like the thing I
Speaker 3: single handedly regret not having filmed the most because what
Speaker 3: I would give to watch the initial like dog in
Speaker 3: boot Comedy, It's it's perfection.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did the same thing to our dog, and
Speaker 4: but we did videotape it and it's the best because yeah,
Speaker 4: it's that like they suddenly forget how to walk, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're perfect.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 3: Well, nobody got to have dogs on our show, which
Speaker 3: I still think is an absolute travesty. But I guess
Speaker 3: Jamie had the bunny. I will say, like circling back.
Speaker 3: I loved the way, and I remember I remember filming
Speaker 3: that scene. I actually think the first scene I shot
Speaker 3: as a director was that whole sequence with Austin in
Speaker 3: the house with Brooke and Julian, and I remember figuring
Speaker 3: out what the blocking was going to be like and
Speaker 3: coming to find him on the couch and having this
Speaker 3: whole conversation. And then you know, when you're directing and acting,
Speaker 3: it's like I had to block the scene with him,
Speaker 3: and then I had to watch my stand in act
Speaker 3: out the scene with Austin so I could really see it.
Speaker 3: And then I had to make notes, you know from
Speaker 3: video village, watching the camera move, and then turn to
Speaker 3: our executive producer, Greg Prange, who served essentially as any
Speaker 3: actor director's directing buddy on set, and go like, okay,
Speaker 3: I like this, I want to make sure they avoid that,
Speaker 3: and he'd go okay, And then I'd have to walk
Speaker 3: in and do the scene and look at him and
Speaker 3: go did we get it? And there was no playback,
Speaker 3: there was no opportunity to watch it. I just had
Speaker 3: to trust him. Oh wow, because there was no time.
Speaker 3: Like imagine if I'd had to be the actor and
Speaker 3: then watch every take, we never would have made any
Speaker 3: of our days. No, But it's so interesting to be
Speaker 3: so prepared and so excited and then to also have
Speaker 3: to kind of fly blind anytime you're on camera and
Speaker 3: just trust someone else to say, yeah, the shot looks
Speaker 3: great and then move on.
Speaker 4: Wow, that is a leap of face, but thankfully it was.
Speaker 4: It was Greg, you know, so it's someone you have
Speaker 4: a long history with and you trust because yeah, that's
Speaker 4: that's scared of not being able to sort of watch yourself.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it feels very much like. It gives me
Speaker 3: that like like mirrkat energy, like where you pop up
Speaker 3: and it's like, did we do Okay? You have no
Speaker 3: idea what's happening out in the world around you. But
Speaker 3: it was so much fun and it was cool because
Speaker 3: we sort of isolated my scenes on camera as much
Speaker 3: as we could, and there's something so special about the
Speaker 3: way everybody shows up because you are pulling double duty.
Speaker 3: And I was even thinking about it, you know, nearing
Speaker 3: the end of the episode when Brooke calls Julianne and
Speaker 3: is like, do whatever you have to do, and she's
Speaker 3: having this whole experience where, you know, we're alluding to
Speaker 3: the fact that she's found out something really terrible about
Speaker 3: her fertility and her options to be a mom, and
Speaker 3: we hadn't quite said it yet. But I remember doing
Speaker 3: that phone call and like by then Austin was wrapped.
Speaker 3: You know, it's not like we shoot the phone calls
Speaker 3: with each other. It's usually you the actor and the
Speaker 3: script supervisor. But like he stayed on set that day
Speaker 3: to do that scene with me, and I remember how
Speaker 3: cool it was then directing him and Jana in the
Speaker 3: hotel room in those beautiful scenes they did, and holy shit,
Speaker 3: we have to talk about how amazing her performance is.
Speaker 3: But like I got to stand there as the director
Speaker 3: and do the phone call as Brooke, and it was
Speaker 3: just so cool. Like I don't know, everybody kind of
Speaker 3: steps up with you when you direct on your own show.
Speaker 3: And I remember, in a really interesting way, watching these
Speaker 3: scenes made me remember all of those little things that
Speaker 3: I just hadn't thought about in years, and it was
Speaker 3: really sweet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love when one member of the cast will direct,
Speaker 4: because it really is that like team spirit of we
Speaker 4: got you, like we're going to see you succeed, and
Speaker 4: the crew is the same way. Yeah, we had a
Speaker 4: great crew. I was, okay, thank you for jumping ahead,
Speaker 4: but thank you for making sense of that last beat
Speaker 4: with Brooke. I was confused while she was throwing away
Speaker 4: her birth control. I didn't realize that she had been
Speaker 4: given bad news. I was I was wonderful. I was
Speaker 4: left kind of going, is she throwing away her birth
Speaker 4: control to like get preg and what? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I was trying, what's the thing?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I it hit me, you know, remembering shooting
Speaker 3: these scenes and remembering doing that I've been ready at
Speaker 3: the doctor, like, you know, it was so sweet to
Speaker 3: have Haley essentially do a very authentic recall for the
Speaker 3: audience of you've wanted to have a baby, you know,
Speaker 3: since you were twenty two, Brooks always wanted to be
Speaker 3: a mom, and she's ready, and she's ready, and she's ready.
Speaker 3: And then when she goes to tell Haley about the
Speaker 3: doctor's appointment, like, my my throat caught watching the scene
Speaker 3: because I was like, oh, I remember this, I remember
Speaker 3: what's coming. I know now that they've said I won't
Speaker 3: be able to have a baby, but I'm I'm too
Speaker 3: upset to tell anyone. And it's why I'm crying with
Speaker 3: Haley in the corner of trick in the middle of
Speaker 3: the day. And it's why when Julian comes in and says,
Speaker 3: we're celebrating because he's done with his script. She's like,
Speaker 3: right celebrating. Sure, you know, it's this sad experience and
Speaker 3: it tracks I think why she reacts so terribly to Rachel,
Speaker 3: because she has no one to take out her hurt
Speaker 3: and her upset on. And I think sometimes when you
Speaker 3: see someone who you have a complicated relationship with from
Speaker 3: your childhood, you revert to behaving like a child. And Yeah,
Speaker 3: it all just came swirling back to me, and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, this is the beginning of
Speaker 3: so much heartache for her and complexity with you know,
Speaker 3: the Julian and Alex of it all. So the whole
Speaker 3: thing's like kind of a trip. And it made me
Speaker 3: love our show and all of you guys, and like
Speaker 3: even just the experience of making TV. It made it
Speaker 3: all feel new again, even though we'd been doing it
Speaker 3: for you know, this was our seventh year and it
Speaker 3: was so cool, and it taught me so many lessons
Speaker 3: that I've just never forgotten as I've gone on to
Speaker 3: you know, all the other things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, going back to what you were saying about Trick,
Speaker 4: I just had this. I had a note about it.
Speaker 4: There's already it's like Trick is the place it's like,
Speaker 4: come for the drink, stay for the assaults. We're seven
Speaker 4: episodes deep, nine episodes deep, and we've already had two
Speaker 4: slaps and a punch. Yeah, it is just the place
Speaker 4: in the town people when they have beef, they're like,
Speaker 4: let's go to Trick to settle it.
Speaker 3: Yep. It used to be the basketball court and now
Speaker 3: it's the bar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's up with that?
Speaker 3: I don't know, kind of interesting. Yeah, you hit a
Speaker 3: girl in Trick. I hit a girl in Trick.
Speaker 4: I hit a boy in Trick, and fill me in.
Speaker 4: I was able to gather that she stole some money
Speaker 4: from you. But what exactly is the backstory with you too?
Speaker 4: Why you dislike her so much?
Speaker 3: So? The backstory with Brooke and Rachel is that we
Speaker 3: were sort of each other's arch and nemesis who then
Speaker 3: became best friends in high school. We wound up living together,
Speaker 3: but Rachel was like, you know, we had like a
Speaker 3: lot of dude writers. They just wrote her as like
Speaker 3: a quintessential, like stereotypical bad girl who you know, tried
Speaker 3: to hook up with everybody's boyfriends. And that's why Haley
Speaker 3: slapped Rachel back in high school. And you know, all
Speaker 3: of all the humor there, and by the way, like
Speaker 3: honorable mention for me, I'm just gonna go ahead and
Speaker 3: say James Lafferty looking at Daniel and then Paul and saying, well,
Speaker 3: if you run out of all my high school friends,
Speaker 3: I guess I could dip into my middle school friends
Speaker 3: for you. I was, Oh, it's just like, it was
Speaker 3: so funny because you've got Jamie being like, hi, Grandma Rachel,
Speaker 3: and everyone doesn't know what to do. Genie.
Speaker 4: How about her line in that same scene where she says,
Speaker 4: it's funny I used to want you to be my daddy,
Speaker 4: but now I'm mommy, And then she doubles down. Jamie
Speaker 4: runs in the room and she goes, oh, hi, I
Speaker 4: remember when you were a rumor in third period.
Speaker 3: You have that line written down. It's so good, like iconic.
Speaker 3: They gave Daniel some of the best oneliners in this
Speaker 3: and I loved seeing her. I love seeing Rachel and
Speaker 3: Nathan throwing them back at each other. It's so great
Speaker 3: because you assume it's going to be Dan, but it's
Speaker 3: so fun to see it coming from the two of them.
Speaker 1: I like that Dan was enjoying the experience too, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the little smirk on his face, like, oh, this is fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But the sort of to wrap that up, rob
Speaker 3: once we skip college and close over Bros. Is a
Speaker 3: thing Brooke has Rachel modeling for the company. Brooke essentially
Speaker 3: gave Rachel the first version of Alex Do Prai's job,
Speaker 3: and then Rachel was living in her place in New
Speaker 3: York and then became an addict and then stole a
Speaker 3: bunch of money from her and it was like a
Speaker 3: whole nightmarish thing. And I don't know, I don't think
Speaker 3: they ever really wrapped up that storyline very well, which
Speaker 3: made me so happy to have, you know, the Dan
Speaker 3: and Rachel's surprise, because it's nice to have her back.
Speaker 3: But god, Rachel quoting Dan Scott to Brooke being like forgiveness,
Speaker 3: I just it was. It was just absolutely priceless.
Speaker 4: Also, speaking of Dan, how perfectly Dan is it that
Speaker 4: on his private jet is not only his name but
Speaker 4: a mature of himself.
Speaker 3: And the phrase above the door and if I may,
Speaker 3: that was all my choices, Like what a crazy thing.
Speaker 3: By the way, as a first time director, they're like, well,
Speaker 3: we've got to rent a private plane to shoot this scene,
Speaker 3: so like I don't know where we got it. Some
Speaker 3: with the network obviously handled that, but someone brought in
Speaker 3: a jet and I was like, no, it's got to
Speaker 3: be so overly branded as the Dan Scott plane. And
Speaker 3: my god, it just made me so so happy. Step
Speaker 3: into the light over the over the jet door and
Speaker 3: they were like, do we really need to I was like,
Speaker 3: we need it, we have to have it.
Speaker 1: Yes, and you and you got it. And that Cohen
Speaker 1: Brothers shot of him standing in the door with that
Speaker 1: thing over the top of him, and even the color
Speaker 1: timing was cool and like vintagey and retro, and and
Speaker 1: that shot that was just slightly above the waist.
Speaker 3: It was so good. Sophia, thank you and then her
Speaker 3: she came out in the fur coat. I was like, no,
Speaker 3: if we're doing it, we are doing it.
Speaker 1: Jim and Tammy Fay It's yes. I mean you went
Speaker 1: full TV evangelist yep. And I was so here for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. It was really fun that that
Speaker 3: was the the fight I was the most happy to
Speaker 3: win as as a director on this.
Speaker 4: That was a good one to go to bat for. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like, I know you think it's silly, It's
Speaker 3: not silly. We're doing it worth it. The decals were
Speaker 3: worth it.
Speaker 1: Were you maybe maybe you already talked about this, told
Speaker 1: me if you did, But did you like acting in
Speaker 1: something that you're directing At the same time.
Speaker 3: I really loved certain aspects of it. I loved being
Speaker 3: able to I was saying this to Rob a little
Speaker 3: while ago that you know, it was nice that I
Speaker 3: got to kind of block the places that I worked.
Speaker 3: I was, you know, I was at Brook and Julian's house,
Speaker 3: I was at Trick and then I had, you know,
Speaker 3: those two scenes at the doctor's office. But it was
Speaker 3: very condensed, which was really helpful. I have visceral sense
Speaker 3: memories of directing in the nightclub Outfit, which was so
Speaker 3: funny to me.
Speaker 1: The nightclub outfit, which was what the black, which.
Speaker 3: Was like the one shoulder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had some dueling black and white off the shoulder,
Speaker 1: like white off the shoulder in the first half and
Speaker 1: then the black off the shoulder in the second I noticed.
Speaker 1: Don't think that went unnoticed.
Speaker 3: I didn't even track that at the time, but wow,
Speaker 3: I was really in a deep side part era, I suppose.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I remember the photos sitting in the director's
Speaker 3: chair behind video village in that outfit and how funny.
Speaker 1: That was the most glamorous director out Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because obviously on all the other days it's like
Speaker 3: you come to work with wet hair and no makeupon
Speaker 3: in sweatpants because you're trying to do a job. But
Speaker 3: it's that. And then the night on the beach doing
Speaker 3: that final Clay and Quinn walk and talk and the
Speaker 3: first time they kiss. I was telling Rob when we
Speaker 3: first got on the zoom, I remember the way the
Speaker 3: air smelled that night. You know when it's like a
Speaker 3: hot southern beach night and it's everything smells like salt
Speaker 3: and minerals and like you can smell the heat. I
Speaker 3: just remember that night. It was so perfect, and I
Speaker 3: was so happy that my like hair brained idea to
Speaker 3: do a walk and talk in the dark worked out.
Speaker 4: It had to be a walk and talk by that,
Speaker 4: it had to. The thing I remember about that scene
Speaker 4: was when Chantelle and I ran it going like some
Speaker 4: of the dialogue was just cheesy, and I don't mean
Speaker 4: that to be a rip, but because we're talking like
Speaker 4: the moon is made of cheese, and we're both of
Speaker 4: us just saying, like what are we saying? What is this,
Speaker 4: and then it was like, let's just let's just do
Speaker 4: our best to sell the shit out of it and
Speaker 4: get past it, because then then it'll get good, you know.
Speaker 4: But it had that scene had to have movement. If
Speaker 4: you had us saying those words standing looking at each other,
Speaker 4: it would have felt so uncomfortable. Yeah, it would have
Speaker 4: had to make for a lot of awkward fidgeting, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, which would go against everything we're building.
Speaker 3: There was also something I really liked that we were
Speaker 3: able to build into this episode. Where as those feelings
Speaker 3: are building, as the balloon is swelling up, you were
Speaker 3: always doing something. You guys went to the volunteer center together.
Speaker 3: You were sitting at a bar, facing out and stealing
Speaker 3: glances over Nathan. You were in the dark room working
Speaker 3: on photos like walking and sometimes being next to someone
Speaker 3: like driving in a car or not having to look
Speaker 3: at them, allows you to say so much more then
Speaker 3: you might feel safe to do when you're holding eye contact.
Speaker 3: And it felt so nice then to get the payoff
Speaker 3: of when you finally turn and look at each other
Speaker 3: and you admit that you're both afraid, and then we
Speaker 3: get our hero moment, We get our hero kiss. It
Speaker 3: was like, Oh, they've arrived, and it was nice to
Speaker 3: see that work out.
Speaker 4: Did you notice I was so curious if you got this,
Speaker 4: because I'm sure you watched the episode so closely. The
Speaker 4: first scene with Clay and Quinn where she comes to
Speaker 4: the beach house, it ends with her saying like, I'm
Speaker 4: I'm going to take you somewhere. I'm gonna surprise you.
Speaker 4: Just come with me, and she pulls me out of
Speaker 4: the shot. Yeah, you have a little tiny camera pan.
Speaker 4: And at the very end, did you notice that it
Speaker 4: catches a flag? There's a giant black flag in the
Speaker 4: side of the shot.
Speaker 3: Well you know why that is because the ratios have
Speaker 3: changed since streaming. So, like, one of the things our
Speaker 3: show gets the most made fun of for on the
Speaker 3: internet is that it was not made to fit whatever
Speaker 3: sixteen by nine er. I don't know what it was
Speaker 3: versus what it is. There's too many things for my
Speaker 3: dyslexic brain to keep track of. But like, there's like
Speaker 3: an incredible shot in season one of when Chad goes
Speaker 3: to rescue Hillary when her car's broken down and he
Speaker 3: brings the tow truck from Keith's autobody, and.
Speaker 6: Like you can fully see the edge of a sound
Speaker 6: guy and a boom and a whole like now that
Speaker 6: it's readjusted for streaming and the screens are wider widescreen
Speaker 6: televisions now, they weren't like that when we first started
Speaker 6: taking the show.
Speaker 1: Instead of cutting off what's currently there, they just added
Speaker 1: they pulled back.
Speaker 4: That's so funny. I just saw a reel of Lafferty
Speaker 4: watching a shot. It's like a wedding shot, and it's
Speaker 4: a giant, giant you know, wide wide camera shot up
Speaker 4: like crane shot, and you clearly at the top of
Speaker 4: the frame you see the dolly, the camera operator, the
Speaker 4: assistant camera operator, and like the grip pushing him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because if you remember, you guys, like from standing
Speaker 3: behind video village, there would be this wide monitor but
Speaker 3: then the black lines inside of it that showed you
Speaker 3: the television screen framing. So if there was someone standing
Speaker 3: in between a black line and the edge of frame,
Speaker 3: what did we give a ship for? It wasn't going
Speaker 3: to be on TV. And now it's on TV.
Speaker 4: So fun it's.
Speaker 1: So folks at home get to see how the magic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought this episode the one thing I kind
Speaker 4: of found myself going really and this isn't a directorial
Speaker 4: thing at all. Is just how quickly Millie has turned
Speaker 4: into a cautionary thing. Now, has she done a single
Speaker 4: job as a model yet? Because it's so outrageous, and
Speaker 4: I think they went like, it's just some of the
Speaker 4: stuff is silly. I get the pressure to feel thin
Speaker 4: after Jana's comments and what she's doing, but the fact
Speaker 4: that she's calling mouth mouth and not Marvin, like show
Speaker 4: her behavior changing, but to start showing personality changes it
Speaker 4: all just thinks she's like she's stealing drugs. Everything changed.
Speaker 4: I found myself going, has she done a single job yet?
Speaker 3: You're like, who is this person? No?
Speaker 1: I think she just did the Runway show. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: she got hired to model, but never I haven't seen
Speaker 1: her doing it yet.
Speaker 3: And what annoys me is they did that classic thing.
Speaker 3: Something I loved was you saying rob to when Klay
Speaker 3: says to Nathan, let me do my job, and then
Speaker 3: it cuts to Millie saying to Alex, it's my job. Like,
Speaker 3: I love those little flip of the coin kind of
Speaker 3: dialogue transitions. But what shocked me about it as good
Speaker 3: as Lisa was at playing what she was given and
Speaker 3: making it feel hilarious and out of control, and yes,
Speaker 3: motivated by having to keep up like I thought, she
Speaker 3: did such a great job. But what bothered me was
Speaker 3: that all they gave her in the dialogue to explain
Speaker 3: this enormous transition was I've been seen in all my
Speaker 3: coverbe clothes. I need something new. I have to dip
Speaker 3: into your closet. They were alluding to the fact that
Speaker 3: Millie's been going to so many events for the company
Speaker 3: now that she no longer has anything to wear, and
Speaker 3: I was like, God, I hate when they when they
Speaker 3: want to excuse where they I want a character to be,
Speaker 3: and they don't want to do the work to get
Speaker 3: your character there. They just give you a line of
Speaker 3: exposition and they expect the audience to believe it's true.
Speaker 3: And I would have loved to have seen more of
Speaker 3: the I would have loved to have seen more of
Speaker 3: the experiences of Milly at these parties, maybe feeling awkward
Speaker 3: and then beginning to get rewarded by behaving like a
Speaker 3: caricature of Alex and these things that she is in
Speaker 3: this episode. I want to see her journey to get
Speaker 3: here well, and I want.
Speaker 4: To see it was sort of like they took an
Speaker 4: etch to sketch and they just shook the Milli character
Speaker 4: and then started with nothing and then made her an
Speaker 4: after school special. Like I didn't feel like Milly is
Speaker 4: someone who is she's professional, she's organized, and it's all
Speaker 4: of that was gone, Like there was no personality outside
Speaker 4: of I need this, this is important, and like she
Speaker 4: already has diet pills and she's stealing cocaine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty far down the line.
Speaker 4: Be to her boss slash friend.
Speaker 3: It was just, yeah, she's stealing from Brooke, knowing about
Speaker 3: Brooke and Rachel's history, Like it's all so weird, so strange.
Speaker 3: But I will say something that I love about Lisa
Speaker 3: as a performer is she was like, I'm gonna make
Speaker 3: these scenes the best I can, whether they make sense
Speaker 3: or not. Like she committed to the bit. She committed
Speaker 3: to letting this girl go off the rails. And I
Speaker 3: am appreciative of actors. It took me a while to
Speaker 3: learn this. There were times when I would feel so
Speaker 3: uncomfortable when my character was being put in compromising positions
Speaker 3: or whatever, and I realized after a while, Oh, it's
Speaker 3: not my job to judge my characters. Yeah, it's my
Speaker 3: job to make their journeys true, whether their journeys are
Speaker 3: squeaky clean and great or not. And I loved that
Speaker 3: Lisa showed up not to judge Milly, but just to
Speaker 3: allow Milly to have a whoa, what's happening to you? Moment?
Speaker 3: And shemitted full throttle And I really admire that about her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, her performance was great. She did that material as
Speaker 4: well as you could. It was just I felt myself
Speaker 4: to it's.
Speaker 3: Writing when they do the flip that fast, yes, exactly.
Speaker 5: I wonder if.
Speaker 1: There they have all the boards up in the writer's room,
Speaker 1: you know, and I wonder if they're cross cross referencing
Speaker 1: cross section, like trying to yeah, you know on a map,
Speaker 1: how you have to like you know, folks on maps,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: On those old cartography papers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got the grid you have to find you
Speaker 1: know what your street is, oh thirteen. So I'm wondering
Speaker 1: if they have these sort of things around the writer's
Speaker 1: room where they know they've got all the storylines and
Speaker 1: how they intersect. And if they can't get character C
Speaker 1: to point thirteen by episode twelve, then it's a huge
Speaker 1: problem because then it starts affecting the fallout for characters
Speaker 1: in other ways all of the show. So I think, like,
Speaker 1: it's got to be a real difficult job to keep
Speaker 1: all those balls in the air absolutely cross section everything.
Speaker 3: And by the way, part of the reason Milly had
Speaker 3: to be so far down this kind of wild path
Speaker 3: in this episode was so that when Rachel was apologizing
Speaker 3: to Brooke for stealing from her, Brooke would turn around
Speaker 3: and see that Milly had just stolen from her. Like
Speaker 3: it had to happen this way, but it is the
Speaker 3: unfortunate thing, as we all know and remember, the great
Speaker 3: thing about being in an ensemble cast is that there
Speaker 3: are so many storylines and you don't have to do
Speaker 3: the tired, repetitive like character A and character B go
Speaker 3: on the same journey again. But what does happen sometimes
Speaker 3: is if there's this really important thing happening in section
Speaker 3: one and there's not enough time in episode seven oh
Speaker 3: eight to get over here into section three with Milly,
Speaker 3: they're just going to give her a line of exposition
Speaker 3: at the top of episode seven oh nine and be like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: she's been partying and she you know, yeah, Like they
Speaker 3: have to keep it moving. So it's like, on the
Speaker 3: one hand, I'm bummed as a viewer because I want
Speaker 3: more of her journey, and on the other hand, literally
Speaker 3: being behind the camera on this episode, I feel like
Speaker 3: I to your point, Joy, I have such grace for
Speaker 3: how complex that is, and it really makes me think
Speaker 3: about the kinds of showrunners, like when you think about
Speaker 3: an Aaron Sorkin on The West Wing, where you go, oh,
Speaker 3: you're a freaky genius that you were able to do
Speaker 3: years and years of a show and never have anything
Speaker 3: that felt like this, like how does a brain do that?
Speaker 4: Rob?
Speaker 3: Have you ever directed anything?
Speaker 4: I haven't.
Speaker 3: Do you have a desire to?
Speaker 4: I have an interest? Okay, I had because I had
Speaker 4: a mentor early on tell me you'd make You're going
Speaker 4: to make a great director, Robbie, and because I just
Speaker 4: looked up to him so much. I thought, oh, so
Speaker 4: he planted a seed. But I've also just found myself.
Speaker 4: I guess the answer is my interest is growing, but
Speaker 4: I haven't had burning desire to really start advocating for
Speaker 4: it totally, Like if it was a short I wrote
Speaker 4: or something. Yeah, you know, I always try to learn
Speaker 4: when I'm on set, but I'm not. Yeah, no, I
Speaker 4: think on a zombie I i were saying, hey, if we
Speaker 4: do a six season, I want to direct, and there
Speaker 4: was a part of me going, I wouldn't mind if
Speaker 4: we didn't get a six season. That was a bluff.
Speaker 4: I need the universe to step in because I'm kind
Speaker 4: of afraid I just said that to say it.
Speaker 1: So many different ways of storytelling, and you know, your
Speaker 1: passion can lie in so many different areas of that.
Speaker 3: One of the things that I do think is so
Speaker 3: cool though, about the opportunity to direct any universe that
Speaker 3: you know really well, like you did with a Zombie.
Speaker 3: The way I feel like I did, you know, and
Speaker 3: you obviously did joy it when we were doing it
Speaker 3: this season in our show is you know, little things
Speaker 3: that aren't on the page. But for example, when we
Speaker 3: think about the heart to heart, you know, kind of
Speaker 3: calling him out moment that I got to have as
Speaker 3: Brook with Paul Julian's Dadah and say, I've got this
Speaker 3: ugly poster on my wall because of you, because he
Speaker 3: has one memory of one good day and he had
Speaker 3: to look at that and it reassessed their relationship you
Speaker 3: see in this episode, And this was so important to
Speaker 3: me making what was Peyton's and then Sam's room into
Speaker 3: Julian's office and putting the thin red line poster in
Speaker 3: there and having him call his dad, and his dad's
Speaker 3: walking around in this beautiful la office. And then near
Speaker 3: the end of the scene when when Paul Julian's dad
Speaker 3: Paul not Paul Norris, Yeah, I'm like, I can't say
Speaker 3: that because of Paul Dan, but Julian's dad walks through
Speaker 3: his office, and then when it cuts from Julian and
Speaker 3: cuts back to him, you see him step into a
Speaker 3: shot and the thin red line poster is now hanging
Speaker 3: on the wall in his office.
Speaker 4: Oh no, way, I didn't catch that.
Speaker 3: And that was a thing I knew to do to
Speaker 3: tell the story of these men, you know, finding each
Speaker 3: other and having this thing and this between this father
Speaker 3: and the son that was healing. And like, I don't
Speaker 3: know a director who might have come in to do
Speaker 3: seven h nine but hadn't seen that episode or hadn't
Speaker 3: read those scripts, maybe because it wouldn't have been in there.
Speaker 3: Let me catch up on the world of One Tree
Speaker 3: Hill package, like, might not have had that. So there's
Speaker 3: something so cool that you get to do in terms
Speaker 3: of keeping these these easter eggs in the world. When
Speaker 3: when you know, a show like Front and Back. So
Speaker 3: I don't know, I get that, you know, you might
Speaker 3: have felt relieved, but I would love to see you
Speaker 3: direct and like see what you would pull out.
Speaker 4: It would be so much screaming and just divisive, really authoritarian. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it would be iron fish.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that really tracks for your person.
Speaker 1: I have a question about Julian and Brook. Why did
Speaker 1: Julian not invite Brooke to come over to Alex's and
Speaker 1: participate in this helping Alex situation?
Speaker 4: I know, listen this great, great question, And I also
Speaker 4: watched this whole scene going oh buddy, oh buddy, come on, pal,
Speaker 4: you can do what you can Just talk her through
Speaker 4: the phone, you know what I mean, Like, you don't
Speaker 4: need to go to a telroom. You tell her to
Speaker 4: dump it out and find a meeting, Like, yeah, you
Speaker 4: don't need to be the one who goes that. It
Speaker 4: was real dumb, dumb move on his part, especially after
Speaker 4: he's been leaving Brooke sort of on her own for
Speaker 4: this long and this is their night out to celebrate.
Speaker 4: You're gonna dip.
Speaker 1: Uh, dude, Like I can understand being a friend who
Speaker 1: doesn't if he's never experienced this, that before, although being
Speaker 1: a producer in Hollywood, I find it hard to believe.
Speaker 1: But it's okay if he's never experienced this kind of
Speaker 1: of desperation. On the other line, I get the first instinct.
Speaker 1: I I am kind, I want to come help. I
Speaker 1: want to participate and be there for you. So even
Speaker 1: giving him the space to not know the alternative.
Speaker 3: Call it brook or tell her or be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: come with me, let's go do this together our team.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry it's ruining our date night, but like, we
Speaker 1: have somebody that we know who's in trouble, let's do
Speaker 1: it together.
Speaker 3: And this person makes you uncomfortable, so come see our
Speaker 3: relationship and action and understand that it's not that kind
Speaker 3: of a thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the way we sort of had to because again,
Speaker 3: there's no drama if he does If he does bring it,
Speaker 3: this is a drama, So you got to have the drama.
Speaker 3: But the only way that we could figure out how
Speaker 3: to make that decision seem feasible was that when he
Speaker 3: came out to look for Brooks, she was gone and
Speaker 3: he didn't know where she was. It was like, I
Speaker 3: gotta go.
Speaker 1: Oh, did you guys come up with that?
Speaker 3: I it's hard to remember. I don't know if we
Speaker 3: came up with it, but.
Speaker 1: You had weeks of prep too, so you easily could
Speaker 1: have called and been like, this doesn't Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like that was something that was really
Speaker 3: important to Austin and I And it's why we shot
Speaker 3: that close up of him like looking around Trick and
Speaker 3: not knowing even where to go, because it's a huge
Speaker 3: crowd at that point and she's not at the bar,
Speaker 3: and there's you know, we've specifically left my empty cocktail
Speaker 3: glass there. Yeah, so we wanted there to be some
Speaker 3: sort of plausibility to the fact that he doesn't have
Speaker 3: time to find her. He's got to run out and
Speaker 3: make sure this person doesn't like God forbid od or whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But what I loved I loved that we were able
Speaker 3: to get the moment once he got there. It's obviously
Speaker 3: not a ruse on Alex's part. Janna was so beautiful
Speaker 3: in these scenes. I mean, she's so vulnerable. She just
Speaker 3: absolute sat there with me and was completely willing to
Speaker 3: trust us and let me keep rolling. And I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to cut I just want to be
Speaker 3: here for you, and like, let this be real and
Speaker 3: she was so raw and so vulnerable, and for me,
Speaker 3: in a way, because of how wonderful she was, it
Speaker 3: sold why Julian did what he did, because clearly she
Speaker 3: wasn't trying to trick him. She was really really struggling.
Speaker 3: And I thought the line was so great when she said,
Speaker 3: you're the only one I could call who wouldn't want
Speaker 3: to do it with me or report it to the tabloids.
Speaker 3: And you go, oh, this girl literally has no one
Speaker 3: who cares about her in her world. And yes she
Speaker 3: has put, you know, questionable feelings for this man who
Speaker 3: is someone else's boyfriend, and yes, all these things, but
Speaker 3: when you really see underneath all the bluster, I think
Speaker 3: it's so beautiful and I think they did such a
Speaker 3: good job. And I love I love Alex and Julian
Speaker 3: like of all the people I'm supposed to hate them,
Speaker 3: and I actually really really love them. I love watching
Speaker 3: them together. Yeah, they're fun.
Speaker 1: It's like Abbot and Costello. There's special fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Circling back to what you were saying about needing to connect,
Speaker 4: like all the connective tissues between the big beats, I
Speaker 4: gotta say, now I get it, because the vile of
Speaker 4: coke had to be empty. The smartest way to get
Speaker 4: it empty without her knowing is to have Metley still it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so right. I was sort of thinking of it in
Speaker 4: a vacuum, but the truth is when you've got to
Speaker 4: make all that work.
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, Yeah, it's it's like finding the next
Speaker 3: pages on the Thomas Guide, Like the letters and the
Speaker 3: numbers have to add.
Speaker 1: That's Thomas guy.
Speaker 4: Do you know what kind of boomers we sound like
Speaker 4: when we talk about Thomas Guides? You realize no one
Speaker 4: under thirty eight has ever used the Thomas Guide?
Speaker 3: Totally?
Speaker 1: Yeah, total? Map?
Speaker 3: Who cares?
Speaker 4: Map?
Speaker 3: Joy, I have a question for you because I don't remember.
Speaker 3: But our storyline, obviously the episode is so sweet because
Speaker 3: you get to see our history since high school, and like,
Speaker 3: I love Brook and Haley's friendship, and I love that
Speaker 3: Brooke lets you in on the secret and then comes
Speaker 3: to you with the sadness and the whole vibe. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but part of me had this moment where I was like, wait,
Speaker 3: I don't remember, because you come to me to dress
Speaker 3: you for your concert and then you're wearing a hoodie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't wear anything of you.
Speaker 5: I do it.
Speaker 1: It's so funny I guess we just got sidetracked. I'm
Speaker 1: imagining we just started gabbing and talking about your maybe pregnancy.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: By the time I left, it was like Brook's gonna
Speaker 1: be okay. And then I got home and went, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't get anything from.
Speaker 3: Clothes overpro And I remember the like device, you know,
Speaker 3: because you're zipping and unzipping and zipping and unzipping like
Speaker 3: it's a nervous thing with the sweatshirt. But then Haley
Speaker 3: walks on stage to sing and you're wearing the sweatshirt,
Speaker 3: and I genuinely was like, did you and I make
Speaker 3: that choice? Was that?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: I just don't remember, but I was like, wait, we
Speaker 3: have this lovely storyline. I'm together, and part of our
Speaker 3: storyline is that I've made you an outfit.
Speaker 1: I feel like there was some conversation about the hat,
Speaker 1: like it was terrible. I don't know why it was
Speaker 1: so insistent, stupid purple beret.
Speaker 3: Okay. I wasn't gonna say that you were very insistent
Speaker 3: on the nitcap. I was. I don't know what. It
Speaker 3: was horrible.
Speaker 1: I remember talking with you about it on set and
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I'm going to wear it.
Speaker 3: You're like, I'm wearing it, and I was like.
Speaker 1: You're like, I just don't think Brooke would have given
Speaker 1: Hayley like this hat.
Speaker 3: I literally know what you're gonna die. I wrote down
Speaker 3: in my notes, I go to be clear close over Bros.
Speaker 3: Does not do beanies a.
Speaker 4: Hey. Also at the fashion show, we had the introduction
Speaker 4: of Grubs.
Speaker 3: You know, Oh my gosh, so epic, and I love
Speaker 3: I forgot that. His like spiritual gift when he first
Speaker 3: got on the show was that he knew what everyone
Speaker 3: wanted to drink.
Speaker 1: So cool.
Speaker 3: I love the vibe. He is the antithesis of Chase,
Speaker 3: and I love that Chase is in on the joke
Speaker 3: and he's like, this guy actually knows what you want
Speaker 3: to drink. Everyone leave me alone?
Speaker 4: Who does? Isn't there a bit? Doesn't someone walk up
Speaker 4: and they go guess their drink and he says blood.
Speaker 1: Dan, damn god Dan.
Speaker 4: Yeah. That was great, So.
Speaker 1: Great introduction of him. And he's now scoring James's show.
Speaker 1: With James and Stephen's show, everybody's doing great. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: grubs scores the whole show like it's amazing how families
Speaker 1: just lasted and.
Speaker 3: He and Kate Vogel have their band, They've got their band,
Speaker 3: Your future Ghost, It's so so fun.
Speaker 4: That's wild is the song that you sing in this episode,
Speaker 4: Joy in original of yours. It is nice.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I was dreading this episode. I was really
Speaker 1: dreading it. I'm so you insisted on the nitcap. It's
Speaker 1: burned into my brain. Yeah, all of it.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: I was I could see it in my eyes, Like
Speaker 1: I was at a really low point.
Speaker 3: In my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when we were filming this episode, and I mean
Speaker 1: I could, I could see it.
Speaker 4: I could.
Speaker 1: I'm watching myself just act in these scenes and like
Speaker 1: my heart's breaking for younger me, Like, yeah, I was
Speaker 1: in a lot of pain. So I'm glad this episode's over.
Speaker 3: I'm glad for you it's over. I was wondering how
Speaker 3: you were going to like, I mean, i'd like to
Speaker 3: think I knew how you were going to feel about it.
Speaker 3: I didn't know how you would feel about talking about it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was interesting to look back on it,
Speaker 3: given that whole dynamic and who was involved in your
Speaker 3: music then and who was involved in your life then,
Speaker 3: and watching it from this point, I was like, God,
Speaker 3: the Ringers we got put through as young women in
Speaker 3: some of these situations that like on the other side
Speaker 3: of them, I'm amazed we got out of in the
Speaker 3: way that we did, and like we just had to
Speaker 3: go to work and yeah, be so happy all the time,
Speaker 3: like just do it no matter what, and nobody really cared.
Speaker 3: And it is like very interesting when I think about,
Speaker 3: you know, the way everyone's been able to hold on
Speaker 3: to each other all these years later. I'm like, because
Speaker 3: we like survived our own like even within what was
Speaker 3: happening at moments on the show. For us all we
Speaker 3: each had to go through these incredible trials and tribulations
Speaker 3: in our lives. Yeah, and come into work and act
Speaker 3: like it wasn't happening.
Speaker 1: And oh boy, it's amazing what our wilds are required
Speaker 1: to do and do gladly, Like, in spite of all
Speaker 1: of the personal pain that I was in, I actually
Speaker 1: was really glad to come to work. It was a
Speaker 1: relief for me. It was it was a safe haven.
Speaker 1: It was a place to come and you know, escape escape. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And of course personal lives bleed into things like being
Speaker 1: insistent on purple hats that don't look good on camera
Speaker 1: because I wanted to be in control of something.
Speaker 3: Listen, it's it's a fine exercising of emo. Don't worry
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean, that was the least of it.
Speaker 1: But like, uh, it is amazing what what artists do.
Speaker 1: And I really it just makes me. It makes me
Speaker 1: love actors. I just love actors, Like we care so
Speaker 1: much about telling stories and telling good stories that no
Speaker 1: matter what's going on in our life, we just are
Speaker 1: able somehow to shut it all down and dive back
Speaker 1: into the story. It's so great.
Speaker 4: Have you seen the footage of I think it was
Speaker 4: right when Katie Perry was going through her divorce with
Speaker 4: Russell Brand and there's a they're videoing her right before
Speaker 4: she gets raised up to the stage and she is
Speaker 4: like sobbing, just sobbing. She's like hyperventilating, and then and
Speaker 4: then thing starts to go up and she has to
Speaker 4: turn it on and she hits the stage and she's
Speaker 4: just on badass form. It's like, you have to have
Speaker 4: the capacity to do that. It's like, Okay, you're going
Speaker 4: through stuff, but for the next hour, you got to
Speaker 4: not be.
Speaker 3: You got to not be.
Speaker 1: You just have to not be. Yeah, it's extraordinary. I
Speaker 1: mean it's terrible and in any ways, but there are
Speaker 1: outlets and ways to learn how to cope with it.
Speaker 1: And nobody's got a perfect life and nobody's got a
Speaker 1: perfect job, and you know, we all need to exist
Speaker 1: in different spaces because the world needs people who get
Speaker 1: to go through all of their emotions on a regular basis,
Speaker 1: and the world needs people who can compartmentalize them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for different reasons. I loved, like, obviously the behind
Speaker 3: the scenes of it not weighing into the episode itself,
Speaker 3: like we know each other, so we know. But I
Speaker 3: loved seeing you back on stage as he Haley. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I loved. I love the comedy that we've settled into
Speaker 3: with Haley and Miranda, Like the buddy comedy with the
Speaker 3: girls is so fun for me, the Alex and Milly
Speaker 3: and the Haley and Miranda and like, She's so ridiculous
Speaker 3: but so funny because India is so great, yes, and
Speaker 3: her being like I love that I came up with
Speaker 3: this idea and you're.
Speaker 6: Just like, what the The whole thing is just so good.
Speaker 3: And it felt nice to see Haley win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did too. I was nice to see her
Speaker 1: just sort of stepping into her Yeah, into one of
Speaker 1: her passions and having space to do that. And it's
Speaker 1: like she was saying to Nathan at the end, which
Speaker 1: was short lived, but hey, look at us.
Speaker 3: That scene and he's like, why did you have to
Speaker 3: say it? You joxed it, don't jinx to turn around
Speaker 3: from that sweet moment see Dan and Rachel and then
Speaker 3: his contract gets swiped out from under him. I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 3: come on.
Speaker 1: Also, by the way, just Nathan opening the door to
Speaker 1: Dan Scott and then shutting it in and.
Speaker 5: Shutting it.
Speaker 4: That.
Speaker 3: It was perfect. Okay, I know we're running over friends
Speaker 3: at home. Thank you for bearing with us. We have
Speaker 3: a listener question that I actually think is sort of
Speaker 3: perfect for this since we're talking about these eras we
Speaker 3: went through on this show. Because Susan asks, which one
Speaker 3: Tree Hill episode or scene do you think would make
Speaker 3: a great standalone short film and how would you envision it?
Speaker 4: I got one for this, okay. I want to see
Speaker 4: an entire movie of when Millie has to pick up
Speaker 4: Alex Duprey at the airport and get her to the hotel.
Speaker 4: Except I want to see it like planes, trains and automobiles,
Speaker 4: where it's yes, they have to endure all the stuff
Speaker 4: together and we get to see the two of them. Yes,
Speaker 4: was it?
Speaker 3: It would be so good.
Speaker 4: Okay, runner up, that can be your's joy. Here's my
Speaker 4: runner up?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's fine.
Speaker 1: That's fine.
Speaker 4: How about the episode where the three of you get stoned?
Speaker 4: I could go for a funny Halloween movie.
Speaker 3: Totally agree a movie of that. And also, Rob, there's
Speaker 3: an episode you haven't seen but back in the high
Speaker 3: school years where Brooke and Hayley and Peyton went on
Speaker 3: a road trip to New York together, and like, when
Speaker 3: we watched it, we all said, this should have been
Speaker 3: a movie. This should have been like a ninety minute
Speaker 3: We needed more of this. Oh yeah, so there's something. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's just something about those the road moments for the girls. Yeah,
Speaker 3: a Tree Hill road trip, I'm in.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wait what was your runner up? Rob?
Speaker 3: What did you just say?
Speaker 1: The last thing?
Speaker 4: The weed Brownie party?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, wait.
Speaker 1: Has anybody made a comedy horror movie where the main
Speaker 1: characters get stoned and then they're like being chased by
Speaker 1: people but they're like dealing high murder and being high.
Speaker 4: Yeah it was called Pineapple Express.
Speaker 3: Oh right, horror, but yes, an action horror. A stoner
Speaker 3: action film. We could do it.
Speaker 4: What if we did? Here's how it is. It's the
Speaker 4: It's the Weed Brownie Party, but it's done a la
Speaker 4: clue like the original clue.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh my god. And you have to solve puzzles
Speaker 3: with your stone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, I want to see that.
Speaker 4: That's it. Okay, great, all right, should be a wheel.
Speaker 3: Let's do it. Let's spin a wheel. Friends. I really
Speaker 3: want to know what happens next week. Also, I have
Speaker 3: no idea. I don't either.
Speaker 1: This episode didn't lead us into anything except Nathan Scott's career.
Speaker 3: It gave me no clues.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're going to get more of Dan and Rachel.
Speaker 1: I'm sure.
Speaker 3: Oh god, I hope so, oh my god.
Speaker 4: Most likely to compete on Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 3: Jannah did it. Jah, There you go, guys, she did it.
Speaker 3: She's so good.
Speaker 4: How'd she do?
Speaker 3: I mean pretty freakin' well. I gosh. You know who
Speaker 3: else they think would be really good at it? Would
Speaker 3: also be Lisa Goldstein. They should go together. That could
Speaker 3: be a freaking short film. Milli and Alex go on
Speaker 3: Dancing with the Stars. Because Lisa did so much like
Speaker 3: incredible choreography in her first job for so long. Yes, Oh,
Speaker 3: I feel like that would be so.
Speaker 4: Also, is it weird that I feel like I could
Speaker 4: see Lee Norris doing that and being really good at it?
Speaker 3: Fully agree? He would be so good?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think actually Antonine would be really
Speaker 1: good at that too, because he throws himself one hundred
Speaker 1: percent into anything that he goes for he does. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it would be like, haha, this is really funny,
Speaker 1: but he would work hard.
Speaker 3: So essentially, what you're saying is there should be a
Speaker 3: whole season of Dancing with the Stars, just with our cast.
Speaker 3: Let's do it?
Speaker 4: Did you confection?
Speaker 3: That would actually be so funny.
Speaker 4: Listen. I would be the first voted off, but I
Speaker 4: would give you one hell of our performance.
Speaker 3: Would you do bad dancing on purpose?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: One hundred commercial?
Speaker 3: Okay, great?
Speaker 4: No, The sad thing is I would actually try my
Speaker 4: hardest and probably still get voted on.
Speaker 3: All right, friends, this was perfect.
Speaker 4: What do we got next week?
Speaker 3: Next week we have season seven, episode ten. You are
Speaker 3: a runner and I am my father's son. Interesting range.
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