WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: CeeDee’s Money, Micah’s Words 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:06.240 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:07.880 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:17.600 Cowboys Let's go. Are you ready for a break? 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:18.119 Yes? 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:20.800 Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:22.840 Ready for a break? 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:25.159 Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:29.560 It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:35.040 We were right with Mbar Garcia, Brian brought us Patrick 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:37.520 Walker and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:48.000 It is Wednesday, June fifth, twenty twenty four, Season twenty. 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:48.520 Episode nine. 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.760 Welcome into the Break, presented by LG. I'm Nicole Hutcheson 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:52.840 alongside Brian brought. 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:54.280 Us in Patrick No C. Walker. 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:56.760 By the way, I was seven years old when this 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:58.760 show is. 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:01.440 How are we starting? Oh yeah, we're just going to 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:02.720 jump right into jump right. 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:05.080 Hey man, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I got an old 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.600 seasoned how y'all doing? It's my first time. I want 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:08.200 to show with you all. 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:09.320 I'll tell you what excited. 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:12.640 Yeah, we got the uh yeah, we got the word 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:13.759 that you're coming on board. 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:14.800 So nice to have you. 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:17.040 Nice to have you guys here with me as well. 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:19.200 But a lot of things to talk about, obviously, ceedee 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:22.119 lamb uh. The topic of discussion not at mini camp 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:25.640 missing mandatory mini camp obviously awaiting a contract, a big 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:28.880 contract as we can expect, and we know that Jerry 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:31.440 Jones said that, you know the leaves, he was waiting 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:34.119 for the leaves to fall. Well, another leaf, big leaf 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:37.280 fell with Justin Jefferson's contract and one hundred and ten million, 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:41.240 four years guaranteed eighty eight million upfront, averaging thirty five 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:43.520 million per year. I mean, guys, I've got to ask 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.360 with this one. I mean, how urgent is this contract now? 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:47.320 Considering the things? 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:50.960 Well, it's the red wood tree is falling is what 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:54.360 basically has occurred. But up to this point, the reason 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:57.720 discussions between Ceedee Lamb and the organization has stalled is 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.160 because a number hadn't been put out there yet. It 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.440 was kind of like what Brian said a couple episodes 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.520 ago in that these agents they know each other well 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.080 and they play they use it to play the market in. 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:08.880 Each other's favor. 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:13.480 So Justin Jefferson's agents waiting for Ceedee Lamb to get done. 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:15.480 Ceedee Lamb is waiting for Justin Jefferson to get done. 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:17.360 You got Jamar Chase in the mix, and then to 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:19.280 a lesser degree, you got guys like t Higgins and 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:22.919 those guys out in San Francisco. But with Justin Jefferson landon, 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:26.960 now the mark has been set right. So now if 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:28.680 you're a CD Lamb's agent, now you can go to 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:30.920 Stephen Jones, Jerry Jones and you can say this is 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.519 the number, here's where we're going to start this conversation, 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:36.960 and that should expedite things at this point. That combined 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.919 with the fact that Ceedee Lamb's absence is drawing him 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:42.519 fines from being absent from mini camp. So I think 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:45.200 that this week, with Justin Jefferson's deal landing, I think 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.360 that puts a lot of fire to get this deal done. 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.440 Yeah, you know, and that's a legitimate number, thirty five 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:51.040 million dollars. 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:54.720 I was asking around the league and when you talk about. 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:57.680 The other wide receivers, you know Hill and guys like 0:02:57.760 --> 0:02:59.640 that there, but you're you know, saying, oh, well, this 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.600 is thety million dollar receiver. You know, the cap guys 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:05.040 are all telling me, No, that's a twenty four million 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:07.639 dollar deal. No, that's a twenty seven million dollar deal. 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:09.120 You just got to look at the back end of 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:12.360 these contracts and see, you know where that number is. 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:14.800 And I asked about this one. I said, is this 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.520 one of those contracts that thirty five million is not 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.560 the legitimate number? And my guy goes, oh, no, that's 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:22.600 a legitimate number right there. So that's where you're going 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:26.160 to start playing. And I think the thing that we 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:30.280 have to know is that my experience with the Joneses 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.120 is that when you negotiate with the Joneses, if you 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:36.200 don't try and reset the market, you tend to do 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:39.120 a little bit better. You know, they they'll get you close, 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:43.680 and you know, CD will argue, well, hey, you know 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:46.040 justin Jefferson, one of the best. Look at the numbers, 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.960 look at the comparisons and all that. But you know, 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.640 if you look at how Diggs this deal got done, 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:55.000 it wasn't the one that reset the cornerback market. Put 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.880 him in the ballpark where it wasn't very to call 0:03:57.960 --> 0:03:59.840 the role. Wasn't a lot of guys to call the 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.560 It was a few guys, but he was right in 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:06.520 that group right there. And I think the Joneses understand 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.440 that part of it. They don't want to reset the market. 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.200 They've done some resetting markets before with if you look 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:13.480 at Ezekiel Elliott and. 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:14.280 Some things like that. 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:18.240 But they're more likely to get a deal done if 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:22.840 you come in at or slightly below. And you know, 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:26.880 if you're Ceedee Lamb, making thirty three thirty four million 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:31.280 dollars a year is as a pretty significant jump for him, 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.599 and it puts him in that conversation, you know. I mean, 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:36.400 and there's a lot of pride with these guys, the 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:39.320 highest paid guy and all that. But you know, sometimes 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.680 you've got to be able to read the room. And 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.680 I think that's what Ceedee Lamb and his his agent 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:46.840 need to do. Read the room, kind of look at 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:49.760 some previous contracts that have been done here and it'll 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:51.880 probably give you a better understanding of how you need 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:53.400 to operate to get this thing done. 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:53.760 Well. 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.599 I do believe that the Cowboys are on making the 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:57.360 deal comparable. 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:57.680 Yeah. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.440 Absolutely always been averse to setting the market. They've not 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:04.320 always been able to avoid doing so. Ezekiel Elliot, Dak Prescott, 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:08.480 Dak Prescott likely again here soon, but it'll be interesting 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.960 to see where they split the baby. For lack of 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:13.080 a better way to put it is, are you looking 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:15.400 at Ceedy Lamb. Maybe he comes in at an aas 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:19.000 average annual salary of thirty six which puts him over 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.840 Justin Jefferson, but maybe the guaranteed is one oh eight 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:24.640 one O nine, one O five something like that. Or 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:26.880 in verse, maybe they give him, you know, one hundred 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:29.640 and eleven million guaranteed, but the average annual is like 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.479 thirty four something like that. So it'll be interesting. But 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:34.640 this Justin Jefferson deal is going to be the catalyst 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:36.080 to this deal getting done here soon. 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.760 For the numbers that Ceedee Lamb did put up in 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.320 twenty twenty three, what's what's the number that you guys 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.400 feel is realistic for CD to receive. 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.360 For me, as long as it's comparable, I think that 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.039 there there's an argument to be made for ceed Lamb 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:53.080 being the best wide receiver in the league. There's also 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.119 an argument for Justin Jefferson to be, you know, argued 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:57.919 as the best wide receiver in the league. And because 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:02.000 of that, for me, it's always been over thirty. 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:03.680 So it's never been under thirty. 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:05.920 So for those that have having that conversation, oh, we 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.000 don't want to pay the wide receiver thirty outside of 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.120 the building conversations, you've not been paying attention to the market, right, 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.800 So it's always been over thirty Stephen Jones basically said 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.920 that during his draft press conferences. But now that we 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.960 know Justin Jefferson is mid thirties, and honestly, that's a 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.360 little bit surprising because I thought Justin Jefferson would land 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:23.720 a little bit closer to forty. 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:24.760 So the fact that. 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.479 He came in at thirty five, I'm completely comfortable with 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.600 Ceede Lamb at thirty five or even thirty six. It's 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.840 more so, especially in the NFL, it's about the guaranteed 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.960 money more than it is the max contract value, because, 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:39.240 as we well know, in this industry, in this particular sport, 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.360 you might not play out your entire contract. So it's 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.800 about getting as much guaranteed money as you can. 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.120 Yeah, a couple of things are really kind of dangerous 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:51.039 here for the Vikings, and maybe a positive as well, 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:54.680 dealing with a rookie contract with JJ McCarthy. So now 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.719 they're not paying their quarterback fifty million dollars, you know, 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:00.000 So that's a little bit easier for them to swallow. 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.640 The thing about it now is will Justin Jefferson's numbers 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:07.760 go south because of a rookie quarterback in development? There 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:09.680 at least the first couple of years of the deal 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:13.440 until maybe JJ McCarthy figures things out, maybe JJ McCarthy 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.480 doesn't figure it out at all, And now all of 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.960 a sudden, you've got a quarter a wide receiver that's 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:21.040 making thirty five million dollars a year and his numbers 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:24.920 go from one hundred and twelve receptions to seventy six 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.040 because you have a quarterback that's not able to get 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:31.200 him the ball with any consistency because he's learning. The 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.800 one advantage that Ceedee Lamb does have is, at least 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.720 for one more season, is Dak Prescott throwing him the football. 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:40.720 You know those will be Ceedee Lamb is the one 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.200 guy when you always in front offices, you always worry 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:47.160 about these contracts and you're worried, like, well, the guy 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.200 live up to the contract. 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:54.000 I see Ceedee Lamb living up to his contract. There's 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:54.560 not a. 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:57.160 Lot of guys I can say that about. But he 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:00.600 has gotten better every year that he's played in this league. 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:05.320 So to me, there's some justification for paying this guy 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:09.240 what he deserves because every year he has gotten better. 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:11.640 And to kind of piggyback off of that, something that 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:13.960 all of the guys have said with Michael McCarthy. Being 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:16.200 under the system calling the plays one more year and 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.680 having already done it before, it's really helped, and I 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.760 feel like they're a lot more confident and being under 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:22.720 that system already. 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:24.040 But I'm sorry, Patrick, I didn't mean. 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.000 To cut you offly, No, no, Yeah, that was. 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.640 Just something that just kind of piggyback of what Brian said. 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.079 Yeah, what I was going to also add is the 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.720 intangible of the chemistry between Dak Prescott and Ceedee Lamb. 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.880 How does that, how does one and how will one 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:42.560 contract play into the expediency of the other one getting done. So, 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.760 assuming Ceedee Lamb's get gets done first for obvious reasons, 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.880 because Ceedee Lamb isn't in a situation where a rookie 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:53.120 quarterback is coming in, this chemistry is already established. The 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:56.320 Cowboys have hard data, hard evidence to say, if you 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:58.520 want Ceedee Lamb to continue playing at the level that 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:00.800 you just saw him playing at, you have the quarterback 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:03.040 in the building to continue to do that going into 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.559 the future. So once Ceedee Lambs deal gets done, presumably 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:08.440 it will here soon in the next few weeks, maybe 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:10.840 in the next few days, maybe today, who knows, Then 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.360 the Cowboys then have to look at Ceede lamb AND's 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:15.240 and Dak Prescott and say, hey, we don't want to 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:17.480 break up this tandem because we know how dynamic this 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:19.439 can be. So I really think that one plays into 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:20.360 the other favorably. 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:23.800 And also to make sure that everyone understands he has 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:24.760 been engaged. 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:26.000 Michae McCarthy didn't. 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:27.000 Use that word. He's the worst. 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.680 He's that word in the press conference multiple times. He 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:30.520 has been engaged. 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.200 He has been in contact with the coaches. So no 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:36.720 concerns there. But do you feel like there's a little 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.920 bit of cohesion? I guess issues that will are concerned 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:41.959 about the cohesion as far as the other guys, and 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.440 like Jalen Brooks, maybe a Jaalen Tolber, do you feel 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:45.360 like there's anything there? 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:46.520 No, No, I. 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:47.000 Don't think so. 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:47.360 Yeah. 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:51.360 The thing the thing that's interesting about the you talk 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:55.680 about Lamb holding out though, and and the cohesion and stuff. 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:58.480 He's seen this done before. 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:00.400 If you look at and in a and if you 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:04.880 look at previous we call them holdouts. But guys that 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:08.760 don't show up. You've seen it with Ezekiel Elliott saw 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.720 it was Zach Martin with her own eyes last year, 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:12.760 We're all at training camp kind of waiting. We're watching 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.079 the we're watching the right tackle, the right guard spot. 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.120 We're going, well, looks kind of bad out there without 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.040 Zach Martin playing right guard. 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:20.000 You know. 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.640 And so and I think the Cowboys are you know, 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.120 their eyes aren't lying. We were watching the same thing. 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.920 And so now you're you're sitting there and they've they've, 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:32.720 they've had a they've had a history. And I hate 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:36.760 to use the word cave, and it's not cave. It's okay, 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.840 let's do this, let's come to this, let's do this now. 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:44.280 And so his strategy is a proven one when you 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.599 deal with the front office of the Dallas Cowboys. And 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.800 I mean that in no disrespect, but agents, look at this. 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:53.520 Look at Dak Prescott's he's he's totally comfortable right now 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:56.400 of you know, like I've seen this done before. I've 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.360 they've they've, they've you know, they they they maybe wait 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.240 a little bit, but at the end of the day, 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:05.120 he got maybe twenty more million dollars than he would 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.960 have got if he would have signed. So being patient 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:11.400 against this front office and a meanness and no disrespect 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:16.079 generally will reward you. Yeah, and so I understand his strategy, 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:16.960 I really really do. 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:19.240 Yeah, And when it comes to the cohesion part of it, 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:21.400 I don't see this as being an issue at all 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.520 because not only has Ceedee Lamb remained engaged, that's the 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:29.280 key word, this entire time, he's also been in contact 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:33.120 with his guys Dak Prescott and these wide receivers outside 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.880 of the building as far as you know, workouts and 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:36.360 things like that. 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:37.880 And keep in mind, these guys do a lot of 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:38.760 work in the dockyard. 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.080 Is well dockyard, Yeah, right, so you know, as far 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.960 as chemistry and cohesion, that's not going anywhere. That's not 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.160 going to be a big thing. The only thing that 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.880 it the only instance that it would be become an 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:52.480 issue issue being used very lightly. Here is a rookie 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:54.959 like Ryan Floorinoy who wants to get with Ceedee Lamb 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.320 as quickly as possible. But until Lamb gets here gets 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.360 what he gets to attach himself to, guys like Brandon 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.280 Cooks gets to attach himself to you know, Jalen Brooks 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.880 and Jalen Tobert and guys who've already been here. So 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.160 when Ceedee Lamb does come in the building, also keeping 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.400 in mind that not only is he the definitive leader 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.720 of that wide receiver room, but this is the same 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:13.720 offense so much. 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:15.000 Yeah, that would be the issue. 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:17.679 Yeah, if this was, if this was what we're with, 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:23.320 if Ceedee Lamb was a defensive player, you know now now, yeah, Well, 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:25.360 the thing with michaeh and I've learned this and I 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.760 know you, I know you'll probably get into this that 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.360 the thing about with Michael. 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.320 We'll do that later, but right now, finish the sink. 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:37.040 The fact that it's the same offense and the same 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:40.080 the same scheme and same ideas and same coaches and 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:42.560 all that, that's a totally different thing on the defensive 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:44.120 side of the ball, No, for sure. 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:46.320 And I think it also kind of helps, kind of 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:50.040 going back to Patrick's point, helps Jalen Brooks, Jalen Tolbert. 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:51.320 Get first team reps and patches. 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:55.199 How much do you feel like that kind of benefits them? 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:55.400 Though? 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:57.520 From y'all's points, huge, it's huge. 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:00.880 Obviously the Cowboys would love Ceede Lamb to here in 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.480 the building taking these reps. That goes without saying, but 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:06.160 the silver lining to him not being here also knowing 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.800 that he's still preparing outside of the building. He's still 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:12.400 engaged with his coaches, his players, his quarterback. It also 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.040 gives you the opportunity to look at Jaylen Tobin and say, 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:16.920 you know what, we just moved on from Michael Gallup. 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.400 So here's some more reps for you. Let's see what 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:22.120 you can do. Jalen Brooks of former seventh round pick 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.080 going in the year two. You did some good things 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.240 when given an opportunity last year. Let's get you some 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:29.160 first team reps. And that started as recently as OTA's 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:32.080 and continued in yesterday's first A mini camp on first team. 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.480 So you saw those guys getting reps. But that also 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.080 elevates because of rising tide. Right, So a rookie like 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.600 Ryan Floyd Noy, who might more so be relegated to 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:43.200 third team on the outset, now he gets elevated to 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:46.000 doing some second team reps with Cooper Rush and Trey Lance. 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.560 So I mean, until Ceedeelamb gets in the building, these 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.079 young men have to take advantage of these extra opportunities. 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.720 I think you're seeing example too, you know, with like 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.200 you say, the various receivers, it appears to me that 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:00.000 they're trying to get a lot more of these guys 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:03.000 is involved in trying to figure out some some some 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:05.240 scheme things that they can do with the you know, 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.320 because they they've got they've got a bunch of talented guys. 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:11.480 It's just a matter of Okay, who fits in this 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.960 role here? You know, we go eleven personnel, who's the slot, 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:16.360 who's the outside guy? Who? 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:17.600 You know? So it does. 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:20.880 It gives guys a lot of opportunity. Turpin was a 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:22.720 guy yesterday. That Turpin was. 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:23.640 A guy, you know. 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:27.000 And and I hope I'm not giving government secrets here away. 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:28.640 I mean, sometimes you have to. 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:31.360 You have to. You have to be careful because you 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:34.240 can only shoot it during period one or period three, 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:38.680 not period five or period six. But they go third 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:40.440 and one right off the jump, and I'm not going 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.920 to tell you how they did it, but they first 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:44.920 two plays at third and one short yards where they 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.680 do they get the ball to Turpin? You know, And 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:52.080 so you know, that's one of those things where you're like, oh, okay. 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:53.840 Got a lot of burn, a lot of targets in there. 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.000 Sure days as well, Sure did perfect example of not 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:59.320 being in the building. Let's see what Turpin can do 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:03.080 in different situations, in different schematics. So Turpin is definitely 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.440 someone to keep an eye on, not just as Ceede 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:07.920 Lamb is absent, but even when Ceede Lamb comes back, 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.080 because the way Urpin is showing up, I mean he's 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.200 He's really showing up with these catches. I've not seen 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.800 a drop yet from Cavante Turping. His routes are as 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.520 crisp as I've ever seen, and his confidence in sky high. 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:19.840 So when you talk about duce Vaughn starting to get 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.920 some reps at slot, Jalen Toberts and the Jalen brooks 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.040 Is of the world and even Ryan Floydnois, they're going 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.800 to have their hands full with keeping Cavante Turpin off 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:28.640 of their field on offense. 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.560 Yeah, and Turpin, obviously, you saw his time on offense 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:33.720 offensive snaps kind of diminished a little bit towards the 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.280 end of the season in twenty twenty three, but I'm 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:38.760 expecting to see a lot from him. But Deuce Vaughn 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.200 taking some reps of the slot, I mean, realistically, do 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.480 you feel like we may see a little bit of 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:44.960 that in the season. 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.240 Dan, I worry about things like this, and I tell 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:50.360 you why I worry, because now they're hunting a position. 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:55.600 They could sell it as being versatile, but anytime that 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.120 you continually try, and you know, like if he if 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.320 he was really a things were working out for him 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.440 really well at running back, they wouldn't move him to 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.600 the slot receiver. And I noticed it last week when 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:09.880 we were watching practice. I'm sitting there with Jane Slater 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:13.400 and I'm going, h, Deuce is standing with the wide receivers. 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.200 Here is they're going on the field, off and on 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:17.480 the field. He's not standing with the running back group. 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.680 He's standing with the wide receivers. And then you know, 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:21.240 she asked the question. A lot of people asked the 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.960 question afterwards, and then he gave us the Cole Beasley 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.560 line and stuff like that. I, as a personal guy, 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:31.240 would worry because then the coaches are telling me, this 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.320 guy we brought in, I don't have a real plan 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.440 for him right now at running back. So I'm going 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.920 to try and find something else for him to do 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:41.760 and hopefully it works out for him. Hopefully that part 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.280 of it works out, because there was a fourth and 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.280 two play last week and Cooper rushed threw him a 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.360 little out route there and he got the first down. 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.400 So maybe there are some things that they could do, 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.880 but man, he is going to have to play special teams. 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.400 He's gonna have when they dress forty eight. This isn't 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.800 like Kansas State where they dress seventy you know, play football. 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.160 They're just forty eight here in this league, and to 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.399 be one of the forty eight, you got to be 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:06.960 bringing some plays to the game. 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.760 They're doing what we have kind of been pounding the 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:12.919 table this offseason for them to do, which is trying 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.919 to figure out a role for Douce Vaughan, trying to 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:18.240 have to keep him on this roster. Yeah, but it 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:20.680 is concerning, like Brian said, because if you look at 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.440 other names from other positions, Isaac allacol Right didn't work 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:26.600 out offensive line, they tried him at the defensive line. 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:28.560 Josh Ball didn't work out at the edge, that they 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.440 moving him to the inside. When they when you get 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.359 your position changed, it's kind of indicative of you not 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:38.399 succeeding quickly enough in the position that they drafted you 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:39.600 in or signed you in. 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:42.160 So when we look. 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:46.879 At another guy, to me, I keep watching Golston play 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:51.480 tackle in and tackle and I'm like, you know, when 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.520 you don't have one spot and I'm sorry I completely 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:55.920