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Speaker 5: Yeah, and so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

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Speaker 1: We were right with Mbar Garcia, Brian brought us Patrick

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Speaker 6: It is Wednesday, June fifth, twenty twenty four, Season twenty.

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Speaker 7: Episode nine.

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Speaker 6: Welcome into the Break, presented by LG. I'm Nicole Hutcheson

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Speaker 6: alongside Brian brought.

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Speaker 7: Us in Patrick No C. Walker.

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Speaker 6: By the way, I was seven years old when this

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Speaker 6: show is.

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Speaker 4: How are we starting? Oh yeah, we're just going to

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Speaker 4: jump right into jump right.

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Speaker 7: Hey man, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I got an old

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Speaker 7: seasoned how y'all doing? It's my first time. I want

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Speaker 7: to show with you all.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what excited.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we got the uh yeah, we got the word

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Speaker 8: that you're coming on board.

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Speaker 2: So nice to have you.

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Speaker 7: Nice to have you guys here with me as well.

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Speaker 6: But a lot of things to talk about, obviously, ceedee

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Speaker 6: lamb uh. The topic of discussion not at mini camp

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Speaker 6: missing mandatory mini camp obviously awaiting a contract, a big

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Speaker 6: contract as we can expect, and we know that Jerry

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Speaker 6: Jones said that, you know the leaves, he was waiting

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Speaker 6: for the leaves to fall. Well, another leaf, big leaf

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Speaker 6: fell with Justin Jefferson's contract and one hundred and ten million,

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Speaker 6: four years guaranteed eighty eight million upfront, averaging thirty five

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Speaker 6: million per year. I mean, guys, I've got to ask

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Speaker 6: with this one. I mean, how urgent is this contract now?

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Speaker 7: Considering the things?

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Speaker 9: Well, it's the red wood tree is falling is what

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Speaker 9: basically has occurred. But up to this point, the reason

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Speaker 9: discussions between Ceedee Lamb and the organization has stalled is

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Speaker 9: because a number hadn't been put out there yet. It

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Speaker 9: ago in that these agents they know each other well

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Speaker 9: and they play they use it to play the market in.

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Speaker 9: So Justin Jefferson's agents waiting for Ceedee Lamb to get done.

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Speaker 9: Ceedee Lamb is waiting for Justin Jefferson to get done.

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Speaker 9: You got Jamar Chase in the mix, and then to

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Speaker 9: now the mark has been set right. So now if

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Speaker 9: you're a CD Lamb's agent, now you can go to

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Speaker 9: Stephen Jones, Jerry Jones and you can say this is

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Speaker 9: and that should expedite things at this point. That combined

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Speaker 9: that puts a lot of fire to get this deal done.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, and that's a legitimate number, thirty five

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Speaker 2: I was asking around the league and when you talk about.

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Speaker 8: The other wide receivers, you know Hill and guys like

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Speaker 8: And I asked about this one. I said, is this

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Speaker 8: But they're more likely to get a deal done if

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Speaker 8: if you're Ceedee Lamb, making thirty three thirty four million

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Speaker 8: I think that's what Ceedee Lamb and his his agent

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Speaker 9: I do believe that the Cowboys are on making the

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Speaker 9: Absolutely always been averse to setting the market. They've not

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Speaker 9: to this deal getting done here soon.

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Speaker 6: For the numbers that Ceedee Lamb did put up in

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Speaker 9: So for those that have having that conversation, oh, we

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Speaker 9: So it's always been over thirty Stephen Jones basically said

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Speaker 4: So the fact that.

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Speaker 9: He came in at thirty five, I'm completely comfortable with

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Speaker 9: more so, especially in the NFL, it's about the guaranteed

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Speaker 8: Yeah, a couple of things are really kind of dangerous

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Speaker 8: dealing with a rookie contract with JJ McCarthy. So now

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Speaker 8: The thing about it now is will Justin Jefferson's numbers

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Speaker 8: one advantage that Ceedee Lamb does have is, at least

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Speaker 8: You know those will be Ceedee Lamb is the one

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Speaker 8: guy when you always in front offices, you always worry

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Speaker 2: I see Ceedee Lamb living up to his contract. There's

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Speaker 8: Lot of guys I can say that about. But he

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Speaker 8: So to me, there's some justification for paying this guy

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Speaker 6: And to kind of piggyback off of that, something that

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Speaker 7: But I'm sorry, Patrick, I didn't mean.

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Speaker 6: To cut you offly, No, no, Yeah, that was.

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Speaker 7: Just something that just kind of piggyback of what Brian said.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, what I was going to also add is the

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Speaker 9: How does that, how does one and how will one

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Speaker 9: assuming Ceedee Lamb's get gets done first for obvious reasons,

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Speaker 9: Cowboys have hard data, hard evidence to say, if you

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Speaker 6: And also to make sure that everyone understands he has

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Speaker 7: Michae McCarthy didn't.

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Speaker 2: Use that word. He's the worst.

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Speaker 7: He's that word in the press conference multiple times. He

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Speaker 7: has been engaged.

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Speaker 6: He has been in contact with the coaches. So no

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Speaker 6: concerns there. But do you feel like there's a little

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Speaker 8: The fact that it's the same offense and the same

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Speaker 9: Obviously the Cowboys would love Ceede Lamb to here in

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Speaker 9: So you saw those guys getting reps. But that also

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Speaker 8: It's just a matter of Okay, who fits in this

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Speaker 4: Who has blocked for Duzvon.

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Speaker 9: So maybe that familiarity in that chemistry will help him

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Speaker 9: from a running back position. But the thing with jus

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Speaker 9: Von is right now they're trying to figure out how

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Speaker 9: to get him into space.

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Speaker 2: I've got I've got a question for both you and

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Speaker 2: I know you probably got to take a break, so

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 8: Want to know if I don't go for it. Think

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Speaker 8: the third running back is on this team currently as

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Speaker 8: we speak, but.

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Speaker 4: He's a full back.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, But I just I like the way they I.

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Speaker 8: Think you're going to carry four. I think you're gonna

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Speaker 8: carry for because that means you're probably gonna carry. Now,

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Speaker 8: you got to think about these tight ends. You talked

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Speaker 8: about a stacked room.

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Speaker 2: When you're dealing with numbers.

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Speaker 8: Okay, if you consider Hunter Lipkey is on this team,

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Speaker 8: don't consider the third running back. You probably I don't

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Speaker 8: know if they'll I don't think they'll cut I don't

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Speaker 8: think they'll cut Zeke. I don't And I think Rico.

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Speaker 8: I think Rico's Yeah, But is the third running back

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Speaker 8: on this currently on this team, I think, and I

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Speaker 8: just say the third guy. It doesn't have to be

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Speaker 8: the third special teams, but just the guy, you think,

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Speaker 8: do you think because we I don't know if the

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Speaker 8: starting running backs on this team, I don't know that.

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Speaker 4: I think they're opening.

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Speaker 9: I think they're open to the reality that the third

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Speaker 9: running back may not be on the team right now

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Speaker 9: as we enter a training camp. But I don't foresee

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Speaker 9: them making any moves prior to training camp to you

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Speaker 9: add to that position because they want to see what

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Speaker 9: Royce Freeman looks like versus Snoop Connor looks like at

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Speaker 9: RB three, And assuming that you pull Hunter lip Key

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Speaker 9: out and you drop him in his own bucket at

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Speaker 9: full back, because I do believe he's made the team,

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Speaker 9: he's going to be on. Yeah, and they're just going

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Speaker 9: to let the thing play out in training camp. But

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Speaker 9: I really believe in my heart of hearts that if

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Speaker 9: things don't start shaking out the way they want in

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Speaker 9: training camp, then before the regular season kicks.

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Speaker 2: Off, I totally agree with that.

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Speaker 6: I think it'll be interesting to see how, you know,

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Speaker 6: how McCarthy used the running backs the wide receivers in

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Speaker 6: the past. In the running back game, I think that

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Speaker 6: it'll be interesting to see if you know, maybe he

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Speaker 6: uses more of turpin coming out of the backfield, maybe

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Speaker 6: use I don't know, Ceedee Lamb like he did a

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Speaker 6: few times last year. So I think that if they

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Speaker 6: don't find the running back number three, then you've got

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Speaker 6: to just be creative with the guys that you already

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Speaker 6: have at receiver.

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Speaker 9: True problem being is that while Ceedee Lamb was very

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Speaker 9: effective being used as a running back. Cavante Turpin was

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Speaker 9: not necessarily so it could break left where it could

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Speaker 9: break right in that capacity, So.

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Speaker 4: You don't want to have to.

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Speaker 9: It's fine if it's a special package that you pull

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Speaker 9: out every once in a while and you say, hey,

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Speaker 9: we're gonna, you know, throw curveball to the defense. Ceed Lamb.

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Speaker 9: This is going to be your handoff. Gavante Turpin, this

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Speaker 9: is going to be your handoff. That's much different than

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Speaker 9: saying we are so deficient at running back that we're

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Speaker 9: going to consistently go into every game with the game

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Speaker 9: plan of using a wide receiver as kind of a

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Speaker 9: third running back.

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Speaker 6: That's not what you want to do, all right, Well,

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Speaker 6: we are just getting started with things here. On the

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Speaker 6: break we've touched on wide receiver CD Lamb is obviously

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Speaker 6: not present, but Michael Parsons is.

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Speaker 7: We'll be breaking that down coming.

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Speaker 6: Up in the next break you're watching the Cowboys break

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Speaker 6: will be right back.

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Speaker 11: Todd believed the big Cat repellent he bought online was reliable,

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Speaker 11: and now Todd is trying to be faster than this

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Speaker 2: Let's roll back the table.

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Speaker 6: the Star somebody, but no, I.

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Speaker 13: Mean he was not.

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Speaker 6: He did not attend OTAs, but he is very present

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Speaker 6: at many e mandatory mini camp. But you just got

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Speaker 6: to pose this question first. You know, how big is

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Speaker 6: it having Michael Parsons back in this building.

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Speaker 9: It's big because you know, speaking for myself, I wanted

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Speaker 9: him in the building prior to now.

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Speaker 4: And I get it. What do voluntarily mean? Shouts out

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Speaker 4: to Hambrick, I get it.

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Speaker 9: That being said, unlike Ceedee Lamb's side of the ball,

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Speaker 9: the defense has a massive tectonic shift happening. You know,

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Speaker 9: from Dan Quinn's regime going to Mike Zimmers regime, you

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Speaker 9: have coaching turnover at almost every level of the defensive

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Speaker 9: coaching staff and in addition to that, obviously you have

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Speaker 9: the rookies coming in that you want to, you know,

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Speaker 9: try to get him mentoring and things like that, so

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Speaker 9: much more to figure out on the defense side of

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Speaker 9: the ball. I would have loved to see Micah here

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Speaker 9: prior to mandatory mini camp, but that was then.

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Speaker 4: This is now.

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Speaker 9: He is in the building, he's on the field effective yesterday.

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Speaker 9: So it's big because it'll help him immediately. And we'll

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Speaker 9: talk about this in a second. Immediately get to work

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Speaker 9: with Mike Zimmer and figuring out what his role is

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Speaker 9: going to be.

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Speaker 4: In twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 7: What about you, Brian?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, this is something I've said on a

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Speaker 8: couple of different platforms now and I believe this. And

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Speaker 8: I'd be interested if you probably pulled Mike aside and

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Speaker 8: put your arm around him and just had a conversation

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Speaker 8: with him. I'd like to ask him. You hate classroom football,

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Speaker 8: doesn't you? You hate being in the classroom and talking

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Speaker 8: about football. Love to play the game, You love to

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Speaker 8: be on the field, love to rush the passer. You're

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Speaker 8: one of the best pass rushers I think I've seen.

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Speaker 8: I've been around the Reggie Whites and guys like that.

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Speaker 8: I've been around some great pass rushers. You're one of

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Speaker 8: the best I've seen. But you hate classroom football, don't you.

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Speaker 8: I bet you he would tell me he does. I

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Speaker 8: think Michah Parsons doesn't like the ota aspects of classroom football.

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Speaker 8: You know, he's talking about taking care of his body

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Speaker 8: and stuff like that, which he does, and he talks about,

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Speaker 8: but you don't go out and wrestle sumo people, you know,

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Speaker 8: and potentially he described it as potentially concussion every time

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Speaker 8: you butted heads with those guys. How about blowing out

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Speaker 8: an achilles trying to keep a three hundred and twenty

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Speaker 8: pound man from moving you right, that things, Micah's going

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Speaker 8: to do what Michah wants to do. Micah hates being

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Speaker 8: in the classroom. The coaches will tell you, Michael will

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Speaker 8: bounce from classroom to classroom. He'll show up in the

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Speaker 8: wide receiver room, show up in the running back room,

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Speaker 8: show up at the quarterbacks. You know, Micah loves rushing

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Speaker 8: the passer.

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Speaker 2: Michael didn't want to be an off ball linebacker. You

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Speaker 2: have to study, have to figure those things out, have

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Speaker 2: to watch tape. Look what the great ones did.

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Speaker 8: The dat wins the dexter Kochi's the guys that came

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Speaker 8: before him, those guys that I've been around, had to study.

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Speaker 8: Sean Lee, God, dang, you had to study. You have

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Speaker 8: to sit there and all day and watch film. Leyton

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Speaker 8: vander Esh have to sit there and watch film all

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Speaker 8: day to be good at this rushing the pastor's mom

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Speaker 8: and dad. That's a God given talent right there, you know.

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Speaker 8: And I think Michaeh. Parsons he just I wish he'd

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Speaker 8: just honestly saying he's been real honest what she just

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Speaker 8: honestly say?

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Speaker 2: I hate the classroom aspect of football. He's That's why

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Speaker 2: I don't like OTAs.

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Speaker 4: He's really he's more than hinting at it. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he's he's almost there. That's the one to say that directly.

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Speaker 9: I know we're going to play some sound quotes, but

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Speaker 9: something yesterday that he said that I put in the

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Speaker 9: story on the dot com quote it's hard for it's

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Speaker 9: hard to coach someone without pads or true contact and

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Speaker 9: hand points. It's not even realistic when you can't touch

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Speaker 9: each other without losing a draft pick.

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Speaker 4: It's outrageous.

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Speaker 9: That tells you that he's frustrated with the ota portion

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Speaker 9: of it, where it's just showing up, walking through, sitting

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Speaker 9: in the meeting room, not being able to put your hands.

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Speaker 4: On people play football.

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Speaker 9: He wants to play football, So to Brian's point, he's

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Speaker 9: that kind of a football player.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And also to Brian's point, he said, Michael is

660
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Speaker 6: gonna do what Michael wants to do.

661
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Speaker 7: He made that very clear on the press conference. Yes,

662
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Speaker 7: and third person, let's go ahead take a listen to

663
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Speaker 7: what he had to say.

664
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Speaker 13: The more years you haven't, the more you understand that

665
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 13: there's also like the business side to it, and uh,

666
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 13: you know, whether they like it or not, there's rookies

667
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 13: or people. I can't with it, not even here anymore,

668
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 13: you know. And I think that's what camps for. I mean,

669
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Speaker 13: there was a time where Aaron Donald even go to

670
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Speaker 13: camp and he won Defensive Player of the Year and

671
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 13: he realized team in the playoffs, like are we forgetting

672
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 13: these times? Like he wasn't talking about the best defensive player,

673
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 13: wasn't even in camp. And we're in many camp a

674
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 13: voluntary at that, so you know, camp would say something

675
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 13: that's mandatory. So I'm just looking at a time from

676
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 13: my body to hell. I'm playing on my undersized rusher

677
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 13: who's gets banged up every year. So I'm just letting

678
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 13: my body here. I'm just trying to grow, strengthen and

679
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 13: really just get ready.

680
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: For the year in the sumo guys in Tokyo.

681
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Speaker 10: What's else on that he is?

682
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Speaker 2: Yeah? He You know what?

683
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 8: This is the line nicle that you have to walk

684
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 8: when you're in a front office or is it on

685
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 8: a coaching staff?

686
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: Star players?

687
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 4: Yep.

688
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 8: Jimmy Johnson, legendary coach Dallas Cowboys, said this, and he

689
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 8: star players are treated differently.

690
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 6: You know.

691
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 8: You understand, Hey, a star player, you're going to do

692
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 8: it this way. Player forty eight, he's going to get

693
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 8: treated this way. And Michael Parsons knows that, you know,

694
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 8: and does Mike Zimmer, Mike Mike McCarthy. Last week for

695
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 8: you guys in the media was kind of hinting like, hey,

696
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 8: I'm not happy. I understand. I'm not happy, you know,

697
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 8: and you know you want all your guys to be here.

698
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 8: I mean, look at the attendance that they had. They

699
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 8: you know, there's a couple of guys that had to

700
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 8: make business decisions. But as a coaching staff in the

701
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 8: front office. You have to be very careful walking that

702
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 8: line with your star players because you don't don't want

703
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 8: to be the guy or gal that says something that

704
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 8: completely just ticks them off away from what you're trying

705
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 8: to do. And it's and it's a it's a tough

706
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 8: tough thing to be in because you do you have

707
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 8: to walk that line and the players, because their stars

708
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 8: put you in that position. But you live with it

709
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 8: because you know your livelihood is depending on number eleven

710
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 8: putting his hand in the dirt and getting a jail

711
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 8: and hurts twice a year.

712
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Speaker 9: And once the interview got publicized on social media Twitter specifically, obviously,

713
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 9: there was a faction of fans that had some outrage

714
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 9: and then came the you know.

715
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 4: Trade him for it?

716
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 9: No, No, that's le's because whether because you got to

717
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 9: understand that when it comes to a player like Michaeh

718
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 9: and I mean not only of his caliber on the field,

719
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 9: but his character, right, there are gonna be times where

720
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 9: he makes you laugh and he does that and there

721
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 9: are gonna be times where he makes you cringe with

722
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 9: the sound. But you don't trade Lawrence Taylor. You manage

723
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 9: Lawrence Taylor. You get the right people in as Bill Parcells,

724
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 9: you get the right people in the management. And there's

725
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 9: a story that I was reminded of Bill Belichick told

726
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 9: recently about the meeting the team meeting. Lawrence Taylor was

727
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 9: five or six minutes late to the meeting. Belichick goes

728
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 9: to Parcels and says, Hey, I just want to let

729
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 9: you know that lt was late to the meeting. Parcels

730
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 9: looks at Belichick and says, why do you start the

731
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 9: meeting before he got there. This is what Brian's talking

732
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 9: about when you're talking about star players in particularly a

733
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 9: generational talent. Unfortunately that talent knows their generational talent makes

734
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 9: them a little bit more difficult to manage. But you

735
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 9: don't handle them like you handle player fifty three on

736
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 9: the roster. You just don't because, yeah, you know, let's

737
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 9: say let's say you did make the mistake of trading Michael. Okay,

738
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 9: let's say you got a slew of draft picks and

739
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 9: three of them were edge rushers.

740
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Speaker 4: Blah blah blah blah blah.

741
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Speaker 9: Can you promise me that those three edge rushers combined

742
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 9: get you the production on an annual basis that Michael Parsons,

743
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 9: could you can't promise me that, And because you can't

744
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 9: promise me that, don't make the mistake. So I understand

745
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 9: that some of the comments fans might find crimsworthy. Okay, fine,

746
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 9: But I will also say social media didn't exist in

747
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 9: the LT days, in the Michael Irvin days and the

748
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 9: Charles Haley days, and if it did, you would understand just.

749
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: How disul be in jail.

750
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Speaker 9: Yeah, you understand just how difficult it can be to

751
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 9: manage those generational talents. But also you would understand that

752
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 9: Michael Parsons isn't as bad with some of these sound

753
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 9: bites in his off the field behavior as some of

754
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 9: those legends were. So a little bit of grace, well,

755
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 9: maybe a lot of grace is required here because of

756
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 9: what he's able to do on the field.

757
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 6: And when you talk about managing generational talent, that's Mike

758
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 6: Zimmer's new job now, handling Michael Parsons.

759
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 7: He addressed his communication with him.

760
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: Right, absolutely, Yeah, Mike Simmer.

761
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 8: I could go all the way back with Mike Zimmer

762
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 8: working in this front office with him and Mike's best

763
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 8: friend is Deon Sanders. Ye talk about managing somebody, you know,

764
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 8: are having to manage somebody that didn't like to practice,

765
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 8: didn't love to play, love to compete, love to play,

766
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 8: love to play multiple sports, had outside interest, like to fish,

767
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 8: like to do things other than practice meaningless football. I

768
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 8: think it for Micah. I think the problem that a

769
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 8: lot of people have with this whole thing with Micah

770
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 8: is the leadership talk. And I know we got into

771
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 8: it a little bit last week. You know, there's different

772
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 8: ways to be a leader, and you know, when you're

773
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 8: talking about leadership roles, especially after what happened in that

774
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 8: Green Bay game, there's a lot of guys that came

775
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 8: out and we're talking about we need to do this different,

776
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 8: and the fans are like, wait a minute, you're telling

777
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 8: me these things, but you're in Philadelphia, you're in Tokyo,

778
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 8: you're in somewhere else. I think that's the thing that

779
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 8: people they they want, they want something different. They don't

780
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 8: want to see what happened in Green Bay again. You know,

781
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 8: they don't want to see that and whatever that means

782
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 8: leadership or practicing or whatever, they have to do avoid

783
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 8: that at all costs.

784
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 4: But also, I'll add to this conversation for those that.

785
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 9: Want Michael Parsons to be a choir boy. Are many

786
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 9: of you not the same fans that were pissed off

787
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 9: during the Garrett regime at right kind of guy?

788
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 4: Right?

789
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 9: Because you said, oh, well, the Cowboys need to get

790
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 9: some dogs in here. They don't have enough dogs in here.

791
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 9: They don't have enough guys with just that kind of

792
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 9: mentality where it's just like I'm just gonna go kill

793
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 9: somebody on the field and maybe off the field.

794
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 4: They weren't that choir boy.

795
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 9: Now Mike McCarthy era the Cowboys, they're less worried about

796
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 9: choir boys and more worried about getting guys in here

797
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 9: who can actually be destructive in games at their respective position. Right,

798
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 9: You can't always have it both ways. So which one

799
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 9: of those things do you want? Would you prefer to

800
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 9: give up Michaeh for three rkgs?

801
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, who may not.

802
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 8: Come close to his I will say this, I will

803
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 8: say this, I think fans want you to have playoff success.

804
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 8: I think that's where we're at right now. I think

805
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 8: the fans, you know, if we're in Arizona, Atlanta, Carolina,

806
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 8: one of these places, they would they would be so

807
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 8: happy having three twelve win seasons in a row. So, yeah,

808
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 8: the problem is you get into playoffs and that's where

809
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 8: the Dak Prescott's take the arrows. That's where the Michael

810
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 8: Parsons take the arrows because Marcus Lawrence, Yeah, the Marcus.

811
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 8: That's where the guys take the arrows. Coaching staff takes

812
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 8: the arrows. Front office takes the arrows. Ownership takes the

813
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 8: arrows because as a fan, you're like, listen, fine, I'll

814
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 8: buy the NFC run the East Championship hat. I'll be

815
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 8: happy to wear that, but what are you giving me

816
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 8: beyond that? That's where I think fans are now, I

817
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 8: know what working on one five to three, the fan

818
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 8: on our shows, this is the This is the first

819
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 8: time I felt a fan base that is really like

820
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 8: saying enough and it's and it's spreading out, not just

821
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 8: a one player. It feels like it's spreading on Dak,

822
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 8: but all these players, front office, Jerry, all these people

823
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 8: are feeling that. Stephen Jones, Will McLay, they're all feeling

824
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 8: that because the fans are like, fine, yeah, great championship,

825
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 8: NFC's championship shirt. You get your the second seed, you

826
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 8: get bounced by the seventh seed. You know, you get

827
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 8: bounced in at San Francisco. There's no shame in that,

828
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 8: but it's just the way this has happened the last

829
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 8: thirty years. That's that's where I think the fan base

830
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 8: is right now. They don't want to hear it anymore, right.

831
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 8: They want to see They want to see success, and

832
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 8: not just winning the division success. They want to see

833
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 8: a lot more. They see They see the Lions.

834
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: Getting to the NFC Championship game, they.

835
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 8: See other teams, they see Houston getting to the next round,

836
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 8: they see, you know, like, where's our team here?

837
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 9: And make no mistake about it, the fans deserve exactly that.

838
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 9: They deserve a playoff run, They deserve a championship, especially

839
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 9: for those that are not old enough to have ever experienced.

840
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: I was a young man the last time this team

841
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: won a championship.

842
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 4: So they absolutely deserve it.

843
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 9: And there is and I believe going into the season

844
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 9: this is going to be one of those rare instances

845
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 9: where a lot of the fan base is going to

846
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 9: be dissociative until January.

847
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, where they're just.

848
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 2: Going to agree with you when you said that earlier,

849
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: I totally agree with.

850
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 9: You're going to enjoy the ride as much as they can,

851
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 9: but it's going to be right here at Median and

852
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 9: then it's not until January comes that they're going to

853
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 9: sit up and say, okay, now, show me what you're

854
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 9: going to do.

855
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: You go nine and eight and don't make the playoffs.

856
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 8: Fans are going to be standing at the gates out

857
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 8: here with the pitchforks and torches and yeah, and they're

858
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 8: going to be yelling for and you know, there's things

859
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 8: and there will be changes. Probably the head coach will change,

860
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 8: maybe the quarterback will change. There's going to be sweeping

861
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 8: changes here, you know, and that might not be good

862
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 8: enough for this fan base. It might not be This

863
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,959
Speaker 8: fan base has been spoiled for a lot of years

864
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 8: of winning games. Trust me, there are some organizations.

865
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 4: You know.

866
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 8: Carolina has never had a back to back winning seasons

867
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 8: in their history there and they've been around since ninety five.

868
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: I know it's not that long, but think about that.

869
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 8: They've they've never had back to back winning season. I'm

870
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 8: like Cam Newton, No, Jake Delone, No, they would to

871
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 8: a super Bowl, no, you know so, But this fan base,

872
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 8: they I think they've I think they're past their eyeballs now.

873
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 8: I think there are a lot of things they are

874
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 8: tolerable of. But I think we're past their eyeballs now.

875
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 9: And I'll say this, and I'll throw it back to unicole,

876
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 9: circling back to the leadership aspect of it from Mike,

877
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 9: And I said this on this very show a few

878
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 9: weeks ago. I said, not every elite soldier is designed

879
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 9: to be a general right, And I think that that's

880
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 9: what Michael Parsons falls into as far as category wise.

881
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 9: Keep in mind, there are people who are up in

882
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 9: arms at Ceedee Lamb at certain instances in twenty twenty

883
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 9: three because they didn't like his meter on the sideline,

884
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 9: because they didn't necessarily understand how his mind processes things.

885
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 9: But if you're sitting here telling me that he's not

886
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 9: the leader of that wide receiver room, I'm telling you

887
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 9: you're crazy. Brandon Cooks is a leader in that wide

888
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 9: receiver room. But even Brandon Cooks defers to Cede Lamb.

889
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 9: So I will I say all that to say the

890
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 9: expect it's all about managing expectations. You have to know

891
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 9: with a particular player who has the ability to lead

892
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 9: production wise versus vocally. Dak Prescott is your vocal leader

893
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 9: and he can lead by production as well. Micah is

894
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 9: not the vocal guy, Ceede. Lamb is not the vocal guy,

895
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 9: but when Lamb and Micah are on the field, that's

896
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Speaker 9: how they lead by example because they're constantly challenging other

897
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Speaker 9: guys to be to the standard, to play to the standard.

898
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, no, ahead, I can agree with that, but

899
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 6: I think that there's also some level of sense of

900
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 6: urgency that you have to have, especially in a year

901
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 6: like this with Michael Parsons and that. Yeah, and that's

902
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Speaker 6: involved in making sure that you're at OTAs, even though

903
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 6: it's not voluntary, making sure you're you know, everywhere you

904
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 6: need to be. And granted McCarthy did say in the

905
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Speaker 6: press conference that he had been in the building every

906
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Speaker 6: now and then and engaged engage that.

907
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: Word, but you know, you've got to be had some

908
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: lunch with you.

909
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 7: But no, I think that there's has.

910
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 6: Got to be a level of sense of urgency, you know,

911
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 6: and that means also having more words to say to

912
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 6: Mike Zimmer. He also addressed that yesterday in the press conference.

913
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 6: Let's go ahead and take a listen real quick.

914
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:34,439
Speaker 9: M hm, sorry, it's not firing, give me, but once

915
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 9: we get it cute up. We'll we'll hear that just

916
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 9: how interesting the summer is going to be when it

917
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,959
Speaker 9: comes to And Michael Parsons.

918
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 4: Ready realized in playoffs, like.

919
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 13: Honestly, man man, Zim probably said it's total words to

920
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 13: each other. Yeah, he's a he's a very quiet person.

921
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 13: And all I keep hearing from your coach is like,

922
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 13: Zim likes it this way. I was like, well, I

923
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 13: like it, but like, you know, so I can't wait

924
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 13: to have like ma tru like sit down with him.

925
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 13: I think it'll be pretty cool because obviously old school mindset,

926
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 13: old school mentality. But you know, I think he has

927
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 13: a lot of great players, but he ain't never have

928
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 13: a Micael before, So it'll be fun and I think

929
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 13: it's gonna be unique. There's a lot of similarities on

930
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 13: things how he used me with how Dan used me

931
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 13: in the system, but he has more twigs in terms

932
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 13: of how he's going to set things up. And also

933
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 13: there's some things that I got to get used to too.

934
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 13: You know, it's gonna be a compromisable relationship. There's one

935
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 13: things he's like, I'm not gonna give on. I don't

936
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 13: give on before we.

937
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Speaker 7: Take our second break. I've got to get y'all's thoughts

938
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 7: real fast. Brian take it away.

939
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I've known Mike a long time.

940
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 4: Nice precursor.

941
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 8: No, I'll say this though, I think Mike understands. I

942
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 8: absolutely do, And I think that Mike Zimmer of two

943
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 8: thousand and three would probably lose his s over that

944
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 8: Mike Zimmer twenty twenty four. I think he understands, Okay,

945
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 8: I need this guy for my defense.

946
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: I need this guy.

947
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 8: I have a weapon here that I can use, and

948
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 8: we've seen just in some of the practice we saw yesterday,

949
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 8: moving Mike around a little bit and trying to find spots,

950
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 8: double a gap, blitzes, things like that. So to me,

951
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 8: I think that that sit down will be good. But

952
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 8: I think that Mike Zimmer will look at him in

953
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 8: the eye and say, man, I need you every day

954
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 8: during the season. You might go to Tokyo and do

955
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 8: what you need to do before, but when we're here,

956
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 8: when this thing starts we land in Oxnard, I need

957
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 8: you here every day doing this. And Mike's very direct

958
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 8: about that because if you don't I know this about Mike,

959
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 8: if you don't know what you're doing, he won't play it.

960
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 8: Now you're saying broad us, he's got to play Michael Parsons. Yeah,

961
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 8: but you know what Mike does not. He's not going

962
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 8: to tolerate what happened in Green Bay. We're busting coverages

963
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 8: and guys are running free all over the secondary and stuff.

964
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 8: He's not going to tolerate that. So he's gonna sit

965
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 8: down with Micah and they're gonna have their back and forth.

966
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 8: But Zimmer, I think if this was two thousand and three,

967
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 8: there would be probably a lot of cursing going on

968
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 8: back and forth. I think Mike's a little bit more like, Okay,

969
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 8: this is what I need from you, and he'll he'll

970
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 8: lay out the expectations.

971
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 4: I think it'll be a firm dialogue.

972
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 9: I think Micah Parsons is going into the dialogue feeling

973
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 9: as Okay, I have some points to make and being

974
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 9: open to hearing right some of the points. And Mike

975
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 9: Zimmer is gonna go in having the same energy. And

976
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 9: I don't think you know Zimmer to your point, I

977
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 9: don't think Zimmer twenty twenty four is the same as

978
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 9: you know.

979
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 4: Even Zimmer twenty twenty he was.

980
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 2: A mean man in two thousand and three, two thousand

981
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: and two, he was mean.

982
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,479
Speaker 9: But that being said, Zimmer said, he's still right out here. Yeah,

983
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 9: not a few weeks ago, and he said it has

984
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 9: to be done my way exactly. Quote he exactly has

985
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 9: to be done my way. So, however, those two need

986
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 9: to come to that understanding. I think ultimately that is

987
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 9: the understanding that that will happen. I think Mike's going

988
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 9: to end up giving more than Mike Zimmer will give

989
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 9: as far as the supposed compromise that Michael Parsons is

990
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 9: looking for. But I also feel that if Parsons does,

991
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 9: then this defense can be much more successful because Zimmer

992
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 9: obviously that Michael Parsons knows how to play the position

993
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 9: arguably better than anyone playing in the position right now.

994
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 9: You can argue Miles Garrett and TJ. Watt obviously, but

995
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 9: there's also a lot to be said for what Mike

996
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 9: Zimmer brings to the table. He's been there, he's done that,

997
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 9: he's seen it, he's coached some of the best, he's

998
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 9: coached some Hall of famers defensively. So if I'm Michael Parsons, yeah,

999
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 9: I get it. He's never had a Micah before. But

1000
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 9: you've also never had a Mike Zimmer before.

1001
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, real quick here though, real quick, there's not a

1002
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 8: lot of time here because, yeah, coaches contracts, we all know,

1003
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 8: we all know what the history is. Right now, all

1004
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 8: these coaches are really on one year's deal, so there's

1005
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 8: not a lot of chance for growth. Whatever agreement they

1006
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 8: come to, it's got to be quick, right, it's got

1007
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 8: to be swift, and it's got to be right now

1008
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 8: because this time next year we might be talking about

1009
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 8: a wholenother thing.

1010
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, it'll be a very interesting training camp.

1011
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 4: Even Mike I said that. Yeah, at the end of

1012
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 4: all of that thank you and a it was said.

1013
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 9: They was like, ah, it's going to be a fun

1014
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 9: training camp, and he kind of smiled and looked at

1015
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 9: the camp hughes like it is.

1016
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, take that for exactly.

1017
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 7: What it's worth for a lot of battles as well.

1018
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 6: When you talk about this offense, I mean, who will

1019
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,600
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1020
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Speaker 7: This offense found a spark and obviously Lamb Brand.

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Speaker 6: Of course, fourth and fifth were Michael Gallup and Tony Pollard.

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Speaker 6: When you you're trying to find that fourth past catcher.

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Speaker 7: Who's that guy?

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Speaker 4: For me, it's Jake Ferguson, And technically Jake Ferguson is

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Speaker 4: your third target.

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00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 2: I think he's actually the second.

1094
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 4: It might be.

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00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 8: I think you're going to look up and you're going

1096
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 8: to see at the end of this, when we're all

1097
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 8: breaking this down in this in January or February, whenever

1098
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 8: we do this, that we're going to say that that

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00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 8: Ceedee Lamb and Jake Ferguson the most two targeted guys,

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Speaker 8: and then now it's Cooks and Tolbert and you know

1101
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 8: all the other guys at everybody else.

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Speaker 2: I think it's what we're gonna say.

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00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 4: I think Jake Ferguson goes over thousand yards. I'm putting

1104
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 4: that on the table right now.

1105
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 7: Okay, we're gonna run that back.

1106
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1107
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 9: I think he goes over thousand yards, and I think

1108
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 9: he's definitely a pro bowler, and I think he's in

1109
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 9: the conversation for at minimum second team All Pro.

1110
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm going to go.

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00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 6: With fourth maybe Jayleen Tolbert, And I say that because

1112
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 6: you see the confidence in him this offseason and the

1113
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 6: way that he's carrying himself. He feels more confident, one

1114
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 6: in his ability, but also the fact that he's been

1115
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 6: under Michae McCarthy's system already. What have y'all seen so

1116
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 6: far in mini camp out of Jaalen Tolbert?

1117
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 8: You know last week man was there was just I

1118
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 8: just have this vision of him coming back for the

1119
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 8: ball and I think he got caught between wanting to

1120
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 8: body catch it and hands catch it, and his.

1121
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 2: Body was out of position and Dak hit him.

1122
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 8: Dak hit him right in the middle of the one,

1123
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 8: and but it was to the point where he was

1124
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 8: trying to figure and it was a drop and then

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Speaker 8: he came back with another catch and I was like, Okay,

1126
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 8: get him back on track. But I'll tell you what, man,

1127
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 8: there's going to be some competition for that third spot,

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00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 8: and I a lot of it. We've seen receivers when

1129
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 8: we've been out there in Oxnard. We've seen the All

1130
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 8: Oxnard Receiver team, you know, where these guys have like

1131
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 8: a week of really good practice and then you're doing

1132
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 8: stand ups about man, I'll tell you what, this guy,

1133
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 8: this guy you know place you know, and then and

1134
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 8: then and then two days later you want to go

1135
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 8: into a hole you know, and I'm the same way

1136
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 8: I talk about it on the rail. I got to

1137
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 8: watch this kid looks like he's getting now, you know.

1138
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 8: It's and the next thing you know, he is not

1139
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 8: even on the practice squad, you know, And so that's

1140
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 8: but they've got to avoid that. Playing receiver is so

1141
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 8: difficult in the national football and especially when you go

1142
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 8: through training camp. It's constant running, it's constant soreness, it's

1143
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 8: constant up and down. The consistent receivers, it's like it

1144
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 8: tied in with the with the John Stevens. He was

1145
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 8: able to go through every practice it was the same

1146
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 8: practice in a positive way.

1147
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: At receiver.

1148
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 8: You can't have five really good practices and then three

1149
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 8: really bad ones, you know. That's what these guys have

1150
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 8: to avoid and getting ready for this season, and the

1151
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 8: ones that survive it are going to be the one

1152
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 8: that's going to be receiver four, five, and six, and

1153
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 8: everybody else is going to be on the practice squad.

1154
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 9: Well, one thing's for sure, and that is that Jalen

1155
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 9: Tolbert's self confidence is repaired. It is definitely nothing like

1156
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 9: what we saw in year one with him, where he

1157
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 9: was playing he was overthinking versus just simply going out

1158
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 9: there and playing football. So the confidence is there, is

1159
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 9: fully rebuilding, it is glowing. That being said, as we

1160
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 9: watch him take first team reps with Dak Prescott to

1161
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 9: the point of competition, we're also talking about Jaalen Brooks

1162
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 9: taking reps. Yeah, first team reps with Dak Prescott, and

1163
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 9: eventually in training camp you're going to see Ryan Floydoy

1164
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 9: taking reps, taking some snaps with Dak Prescott. And then

1165
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 9: keep in mind you talk about the All ox Gnar

1166
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 9: team Jalen Cropper. He was impressive last year in training

1167
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 9: camp before the injury at the back end of training

1168
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 9: camp kind of derailed his potential rookie season. So, I mean,

1169
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 9: you have so many bodies, so much talent, and then

1170
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 9: you you know that was prior to you going into

1171
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 9: the draft and getting a pure athlete in Floyd NOI

1172
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 9: who he's your definitive X, but I mean his routes

1173
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 9: that he run, they're already better than Michael Gallup's routes.

1174
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 9: So I mean that not to shade Michael Gallup, but

1175
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 9: it is to say that you have a rookie coming

1176
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 9: in who, although he's built like an X, he's more

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00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 9: athletic than the traditional X, and he can run routes

1178
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 9: better than the traditional X. So that pushes the Jalen

1179
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 9: Toberts and the Jalen Brooks of the world that much

1180
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 9: more so.

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Speaker 4: So it's I mean, that's a position.

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00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 8: That you gotta watch frad of Jerry Madaline. I'm going

1183
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 8: to explain, Jerry, X receiver plays on the line of scrimmage.

1184
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 8: So the Z, when you hear the Z, that's the move.

1185
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 8: That's the motion guy. So if you always hear somebody

1186
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 8: and Patrick just talked about the X, that's the guy

1187
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 8: that stands on the line of scrimmage and runs the

1188
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 8: slants and things like that.

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Speaker 2: The big the bigger generally the bigger body receiver. So

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Speaker 2: I had to do that because j j.

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Speaker 4: Jerry, because we're meeting with Jerry next week.

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Speaker 2: Jerry.

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Speaker 8: Jerry will remind you that, like when you talk that way,

1194
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 8: you have to you have to explain what a three

1195
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 8: technique is. You have to explain you know, under tackle,

1196
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 8: you have to explain these things. But yeah, I'll you know,

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Speaker 8: to me, they Brooks is an interesting case. Brooks is

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00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 8: an interesting case, and I I wouldn't be surprised if

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Speaker 8: Brooks beats out Tolbert. I wouldn't be surprised.

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Speaker 2: I would not.

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Speaker 8: I think he's going to be the guy that has

1202
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 8: the consistent practices every every day, and I think he's

1203
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 8: going to play through. He's got a little bit of

1204
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 8: an edge and toughness about him that I don't think

1205
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 8: things bother him. And I'm gonna I'm going to throw

1206
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 8: it out there and say that this this, that that

1207
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 8: Brooks will be over Tolbert.

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Speaker 2: When the sink said, what.

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Speaker 9: I also say is dropping down a little bit behind

1210
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Speaker 9: w R three. Keep an eye on on Corey Krumes,

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Speaker 9: the undrafted rookie that was signed. He's made, he made

1212
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Speaker 9: some He showed me some things in Rookie Minnie Camp

1213
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:25,919
Speaker 9: as much as you can show in Rocky Minnie camp

1214
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 9: O Ta showed me more. And now that we're having

1215
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 9: mandatory mini camp, I'm really keeping my eye on him

1216
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 9: to see what he's doing with that third and second

1217
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 9: team reps because he might push a guy like Jalen Cropper,

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Speaker 9: you know, and then of course you have other guys

1219
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 9: like Racy McMath and then you have Tyrant Billy Johnson

1220
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Speaker 9: who is resigned.

1221
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Speaker 2: And he's a good looking kid.

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00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, he walked by me and I'm like going, whoa. Yeah,

1223
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 8: I'm like, look at this guy. Yeah, him and Overshown.

1224
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 8: I mean I stood next to over shown yesterday and

1225
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 8: I'm like going, man, my gosh, he's put on a

1226
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 8: lot of weight in a good way.

1227
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 10: It's a big guy.

1228
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 4: I mean a big guy that's muscle. So that wide

1229
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Speaker 4: receiver position.

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00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 9: Man, we talked about the running backs room being stacked

1231
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 9: more so for wide receivers and that's going to be

1232
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 9: a very very fun battle.

1233
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Speaker 6: And we're also talking if we're talking about past catchers

1234
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 6: in general, John Stevens tight End. I know Mike McCarthy

1235
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 6: is very excited about him coming back this year and

1236
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 6: now he was an athlete. Yeah, he had a heck

1237
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 6: of a preseason last year.

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Speaker 8: Job.

1239
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so too.

1240
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 4: He's going to call somebody a job.

1241
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 9: When you talk to Lounda Wells, and we did here recently. Obviously,

1242
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 9: Lunda has a lot of praise for his group in general,

1243
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 9: right especially with you know, guys like Jake Ferguson what

1244
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 9: he's been able to do. But the way that when

1245
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 9: you step aside from Jake Ferguson conversation, which is an obvious,

1246
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 9: glowing conversation.

1247
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 4: You start talking about some of these younger guys.

1248
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 9: To pay hinder shots John Stevens when you're coming back,

1249
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 9: and even like the rookie coming in Brevin Yea for so.

1250
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 9: But the way, there's a glimmer in Lunda's eye about

1251
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 9: John Stevens. John Stevens is injury. His torn acl was

1252
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 9: the only thing even Stephen Jones basically said it. It

1253
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 9: was the only thing that kept John Stevens off of

1254
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 9: this roster last year.

1255
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 2: Assistant practices throughout right.

1256
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 9: So this is a guy who can as a tight end,

1257
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 9: he can line up off the line, as a wide receiver,

1258
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 9: he can line up on the line, and now he's

1259
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 9: put on muscle due to his injury. So now he

1260
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 9: can maybe be an inline blocker when you need him

1261
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 9: to be, which adds more value to him simply just

1262
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 9: being more so red zone thread or giving you some

1263
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 9: wide receiver reps.

1264
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 4: John Stevens is going to cost somebody a job. We'll

1265
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 4: see who that is.

1266
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 2: Though, inline blocker next to the tackle.

1267
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 7: Position battles are going to be fun.

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00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 2: Thank you Jerry for always putting that in my head.

1269
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Speaker 7: There you go, Well, that'll do it for today's episode.

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Speaker 7: This is fun, guys.

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Speaker 2: Thank you did a heck of a job.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, thank you guys.

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Speaker 4: Such a start.

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Speaker 7: That'll do it for today.

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Speaker 4: And she washes her hands.

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Speaker 13: I hope so.

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Speaker 4: You never know. Shounds out to COVID.

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