1 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm Annie Reese and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum, and today we 3 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: have an episode for you about bunt cake pans. Yes, 4 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: that's right, you heard correctly, which is a fun one. 5 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: It's a fun one. Um. I don't often eat bunt 6 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: cake or cake in general. And you can see our 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: cake versus Pie episode on Richard Blaze's podcast Food Court. 8 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,959 Speaker 1: For my very strong opinions about that. Oh yeah, very 9 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: very strong, very strong. Indeed, Yes, I have preferences. Um, 10 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: but I do have some really fond bunt cake memories. Yeah. 11 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: I had a good friend in high school whose grandmother 12 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: used to make a boozy as hell rum bunt cake 13 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: that was delicious, so good. Um, and one of my 14 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: best friends and well should we were. We've known each 15 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: other since we were four. She she lived next to 16 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: me growing up, and on one of her birthdays in 17 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: middle school, we had a snow day, snow like legitimate 18 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: snow on the ground, sticking snowing, because a lot of 19 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,839 Speaker 1: times in Georgia snow day can be in my snow 20 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: snow Okay, yes, And I was determined to really do 21 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: her birthday up so I made a bunch of her 22 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: favorite things, including this rainbow bunt cake. Yes. But also 23 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: this is when I tried and succeeded and using the 24 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: infamous home alone defense while sludding, which is, if you 25 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: don't know, I built we had this deck and it 26 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: had these steep stairs and then a downhill and then 27 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: a rock wall ramp and then you'd go down the stairs. 28 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: I built a rampet of snow. You go down the stairs, 29 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: and then you hit the hill, and then I built 30 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: another ramp so you'd go over the rock wall. Oh no, yes, 31 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: sounds extremely garious. Oh it was. And I told my 32 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: parents and they're like, well, you don't think you should 33 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: do this, Annie, I said, he did it at home Alone. Pause, 34 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: all right, didn't they see that movie? That movie was 35 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: really like physics shoddy? What how dare you questioned the 36 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: accuracy and science of Home Alone. I know that they 37 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: did it. Like I know for a fact, if I 38 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: touched something exposed myself to electricity, my skeleton will become visible. 39 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: Any any one of those pranks would have killed a 40 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: human person. Well, I tried and succeeded in It's one 41 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: of my great great successes in life that the tale 42 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: and it was so fun. Um. Also, she my friend 43 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 1: I was building this ramp and she took a video 44 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: of herself like talking like the Hulk, and she threw 45 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: this huge snowball at the back of my head and 46 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: I did the most like dramatic whoa fall with the 47 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: really undignified shout. And I still have the video and 48 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: it's a beloved memory of mine. That's that's gorgeous. I 49 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: love it. It was quite quite great. It was hilarious. 50 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: But yes, punt cake. I also went to a party 51 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: a few years back where they served mini bunk cakes 52 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: from a local place and that was I've never seen 53 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: that before, but it was really nice. Yeah, and for 54 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: some reason, I own a bunt cake pan. I can't 55 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: recall why or how it looks new. Um, I have 56 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: used it to make my famous exploding volcano. Oh yeah, 57 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: it sounds like a really like not dangerous but living 58 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: on the wild side party here with my sledding and 59 00:03:53,360 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: my cakes. M hmm, think about that later. It does. 60 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: I think it does say something about you, but not 61 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: something bad. You know. That is that is an acceptable 62 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: type of danger. That's fun danger, Yes, only fun danger here. Yeah. Uh, 63 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: I don't have any danger stories some fun cakes sprise. Yeah, 64 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,559 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have a great deal of bunk 65 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: cake experience in my past. It wasn't a type of 66 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: cake that um, that was made in my family very often. Um, 67 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: if we were going to do something like a pound cake, 68 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: it was going to be in like a like a 69 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: normal red loaf tin. Um. But but I yeah, they're 70 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,679 Speaker 1: they're pretty. I like them. And I do have this 71 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: this this piece of Nordic weare bakeware that's it's shaped 72 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: like a like an octopus in this ce scape and 73 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: it's really intricate and gorgeous, given to me my my, 74 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: my dear friend Julianna. And I have never made anything 75 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: with it because I am so intimidated by the thought 76 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: of trying to deepen a cake from this gorgeous sculptural artwork. 77 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: That's fair that that moment of deep panning it can 78 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: be very very full of tension. Yeah, and it can 79 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: go quite wrong. I even before cooking shows were a thing, 80 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: I felt like I was on a cooking competition show 81 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: every time. Every time. I didn't have a word for that, 82 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: until you know, top Chef or whatever, mm hmm. I 83 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: was like, oh no, oh no, a little pressure so poorly. Uh. Um. 84 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: National Bunkcake Day is November. We are just about as 85 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: far out from that as we can be. Was intentional 86 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: for you, Yeah, doing a November in July thing, That's 87 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: definitely what we're doing. Oh yes, always planned these things. Um, 88 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: I guess that brings us too hot? Question? Sure, butt cakes? 89 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: What are they? Well, the bunk cake is a genre 90 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: of cakes baked in bunt pans, which are shaped like 91 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: a like open topped inner tubes. Uh, like a open 92 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: topped life saver, like like you bust the lid right 93 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: off of a donut. They're they're kind of ring shaped. Yeah. 94 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: They have a hole in the center. Tend to be 95 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: deeper in volume than than other pans of a similar 96 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: diameter because of the design of the pan, which gives 97 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: the cake more more surface area. Um, you know you've 98 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: got those two baking edges instead of one. You don't 99 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: have a puddly center that will stay cooler so much longer. Uh. Yeah. 100 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: You can use a fairly dense batter. Cakes in this 101 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: type of and butter cakes, olive oil cakes, sour cream cakes, 102 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Um. Bump pans can be plain 103 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: rings or can be made with any number of decorative 104 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: shaping and detailing on the bottom and sides of the pan, 105 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: which will be the the top and sides of the 106 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: cake when you turn it out of the pan upside down, 107 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: you know. Um yeah, structural segments or swoops or fluting 108 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: or ridges or floral patterns, et cetera. Um. And that's 109 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: canna be fun because it means if all goes well, 110 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: that the cake is pretty right out of the oven 111 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: and you don't need to do a lot to decorate it. 112 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: If you don't want to, you can just do like 113 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:40,119 Speaker 1: a dusting of powdered sugar, drizzle a glaze, and you're done. Yeah, 114 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: that's been cool seeing uh some of the designs. Yeah right, 115 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, just just really gorgeous, like weird, like 116 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: like swoopy deco looking things. I'm like a whole new 117 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: cake world for me to realize. Uh. Yeah. And they 118 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: can come in side eizes from them from individual right 119 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: sort of like cupcake sized molds like you were talking 120 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: about having seen at that one party, um, or you know, 121 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: like like normal cake pan diameter molds. They often come 122 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: with nonstick coatings to help you ease that cake out 123 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: in one piece, though you should still butter and flour 124 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: them for best results. Yes. Yes, the bunt pan is 125 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: a proprietary name. Um. It is a brand belonging to 126 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: aforementioned maker, nord A quare Um. The generic term is 127 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: a fluted tube pan, and the flutid part indicates that 128 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: they're they're different from regular tube pans um, which tend 129 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: to be non nonstick. Yeah. Um meant for for leavened 130 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: airy cakes like a like angel food or chiffon um, 131 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: which you want to be able to cling um to 132 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: the sides and climb the pan as as they rise 133 00:08:53,440 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: in the oven like an octopus. Sure, sure, like an 134 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: octopus made of batter. So my Angel food cake climb um. 135 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: That was weird even for me, Like like I'm not 136 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: not into it. I'm just saying, oh goodness, um uh. 137 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: And you can you can take advantage of the high 138 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: surface area shape of um tube pans or fluted tube 139 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: pans to cook other things like like a like roast chicken, 140 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: roast vegetable stuff like that. Um. Maybe if it were 141 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: me personally, UM, I would keep my like roast chicken 142 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: bunt pan and my cake bunt pan separate because you'll 143 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: you'll you'll get the best cake release from a pan 144 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: that's free of scratches and that's really well cleaned. And 145 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: I would just I would be concerned. I would have concerns. 146 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: In the words of the offspring, you gotta keep them separating. 147 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: I can imagine like that causing drama at a party 148 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 1: where I've I've accidentally used somebody's pan they didn't want 149 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: me to use one, And I'm just imagining a situation 150 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: where I'm like putting this roast chicken bunt in a 151 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: in an oven and somebody's like, or you're using the cake, 152 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: but chicken disaster. Also, I have seen pictures of aspects yeah, 153 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: made in these and they look as glorious and horrifying 154 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: as ever. Yep, yep, yes, but what about the nutrition? Uh, 155 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: cake is a treat. Don't don't eat baking pans again, 156 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: unless you're like the Hulk or some type of entity 157 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: maybe a goat. Yeah, I can't speak to goats. Um, 158 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: I know some things like eat maybe transformers. I don't 159 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: know their diet either at all, but you know cats. Sure, 160 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: As a human, I do not recommend that you eat 161 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: an aluminum baking pan. I think that's a fair I'll 162 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: get behind that one. We do have some numbers for you. 163 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: We do. According to Food and Wine, over seventy million 164 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: homes have a bunt cake pan just ready to go. 165 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: The Washington Post reported in nine that two out of 166 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: three American homes are stocked with a bunt cake pan. 167 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 1: That same Washington Post article reported in that Nordic Wear, 168 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: which he has the company behind bunk cake pans, operated 169 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: out of a two d and seventy thousand square foot 170 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: manufacturing center complete with fourteen molding presses, sixteen metal forming presses, 171 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: and six high production coding lines. They have over twelve 172 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: loading docks and are looking to add six more. I 173 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: don't know what that means, but it's sounds impressive. It does. 174 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: And yeah, they sold some ten to fifteen million bunk 175 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: pans in the nineties and early two thousand's alone, So wow, 176 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 1: it's a bunch of pans. It's a bunch of bunks. 177 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: And the history of of this pan is quite fascinating. 178 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: It is um and we will get into that as 179 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: soon as we get back from a quick break. For 180 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, 181 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: thank you so cake like confections go back to at 182 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: least Neolithic times, and cultures all over the world have 183 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: had iterations of them, though quite different than what most 184 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: of us would probably think of today when we think 185 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: of cake. And I was thinking about the past episodes 186 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: we've done, and I feel like some people would even 187 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: say cake, something like cake goes back to ancient times. 188 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: It's just very basic, uh simple version of it. But yeah, 189 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: but levined cake the way that we understand it today 190 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: didn't really happen until gosh, what was that, like the 191 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: seventeen or eighteen hundreds. So yeah, Um, in the early 192 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: written record, the terms for cake and bread were interchangeable, 193 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: so that also adds a layer of confusion. Historians think 194 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: the ancestor of the bunt cake specifically emerged out of 195 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: Eastern Europe hundreds of years ago. Um. I didn't really 196 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: find corroborating evidence, but I suppose thinking about our episodes 197 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: on bagels and doughnuts, that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, And 198 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 1: this type of um of like less leavened, denser cake 199 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: would have been what was more common before those modern 200 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: Leveners popped up. Um, although you know, East Levening did exist, 201 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: and this is yet another pastry episode that how ties 202 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: to a siege on Vienna. I I don't understand how 203 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: many desserts someone in Vienna claims is like tied to 204 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: this one siege. Um, but so supposedly in three after 205 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: the city fought back a siege from the Turkish Empire, 206 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: local bakers made these tall molded victory cakes that were 207 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: meant to evoke turbans and supposedly that was the ancestor 208 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: of the bunt pan. See this seems like I I 209 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: am the type of person that would do this of like, ah, 210 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: here's this event, I shall make twenty items, all of 211 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: them themed. Perhaps no one will get the theme. Ah, 212 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: now you absolutely would. And I know this from personal 213 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: experience playing DND with you. UM any y'all d n 214 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: D A side real quick and he definitely bring themed 215 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: uh food and or beverages to every game of Dungeons 216 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: and Dragons that we play together. And when she's the 217 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: d M, when she's you know, running the game, it 218 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: can be very concerning. Uh Like for example, she she 219 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,119 Speaker 1: brought it. There's a there's a local brewery called Orpheus 220 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: that um that does this beer called All You Get 221 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: is All You Get And she shows up with this, 222 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, no, that doesn't bode well. I 223 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: would be lying if I don't say I enjoy that. 224 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: I think once I bought one that was called like 225 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: the Reaper, and I remember setting it down and everyone 226 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: like looking at it and then looking up at me 227 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: and the fear, the fear in the eyes, like, well, 228 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna drink this, but heck, I don't like it. 229 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: I don't like what this implies. Okay, alright, alright, sorry sorry, 230 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: d n d A side a side back to bunk cakes. Um, alright, 231 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: so so by. By the early eighteen hundreds, UM, no 232 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: matter the ties to a Turkish siege on Vienna, UM, 233 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: pans like this uh tall molded cake pans were We're 234 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: both common household items at their simplest um and fancy 235 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: status symbols at their budget around Germany and other parts 236 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: of Eastern Europe, and often used to make these yes 237 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: yeast riven breakfast cakes or coffee cakes called Google hoof 238 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: or Google hoof from you know, varying varying bits of 239 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: language are fun yeah, Google Google coming from the idea 240 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: of of ovens, of a specific type of oven, Google 241 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: being a type of baked dish in Ashkenazi Jewish culture, 242 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: and um hoop either way being a derivative of a 243 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:06,479 Speaker 1: word for yeast. Ah. Yeah, I love that they were 244 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: status symbols at their fanciest. That's great, my pen. Do 245 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: you know what kind of cakes I get out of 246 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: this pan? Very fancy ones indeed, But what about the 247 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: bunt cake pans specifically? That was actually a more modern invention, 248 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: thought to be the creation of H. David Dauquist, Sr. 249 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: In nine or nineteen fifty, after returning to Minnesota after 250 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: serving in the Navy during World War Two, he started 251 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: a small company called Northland Aluminum Products along with his brother, 252 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: or perhaps his wife Dottie, or both were involved. I think, 253 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: I think, I think yeah, both Yeah. With a little 254 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: more than five dollars they got this company going. In 255 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: the early days, the pair would make industrial products out 256 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: of aluminum in their family basement, the pair here being 257 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: the brothers. On top of this, Duquis started making consumer 258 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: pants that he sold via mail order, perhaps largely leaning 259 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: towards Scandinavian baked goods. Uh yeah. So David had a 260 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: degree in chemical engineering with a focus and metallurgy, and 261 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: Dotti's family was Danish and so she had grown up 262 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: with treats like a like rosette, which is a sort 263 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: of a doughnut made by dipping a shaped mold in 264 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: batter and then into hot oil. UM and a crumb cock, 265 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: which are cookies made with a sort of like like 266 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: waffle iron type device molded with designs UM and uh. 267 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: And stuffed pancakes which are made in pans Uh they 268 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: remind me of like taco yaki pants um with little 269 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: rounded hollows for each pancake. And so yes, based on 270 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: that um, they were making some of these types of 271 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: baking pants Yes. And the bunt pan was a request 272 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: um from a group of Jewish women uh Douquas later 273 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: called them very nice ladies who were looking to bake 274 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: up a traditional ring shaped cake called a google hoof. Yes. 275 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: As mentioned earlier, they approached him describing a handmade ceramic 276 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: baking mold that was round and scrolled with a tube 277 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: in the middle to make a dancer cake that was 278 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: good for gatherings and parties. This pan that they were 279 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: describing had been inherited by the chapter president's Eastern European grandmother, 280 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: and they were looking to get the same thing but 281 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: in metal Dalchist came through creating a loabed, fluted mold 282 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: out of heavy cast aluminum. The ladies were reportedly quite 283 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: pleased with it. Yeah yeah, And they apparently intended to 284 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: use the pans to bake cakes for fundraisers for their 285 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: for their for their group, UM, but wound up selling 286 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: the pans too, so much so that Delquist began selling 287 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: them imperfect factory seconds for the cause. Dalquist called his 288 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: innovation bund Pan, the T Bund being a German word 289 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: meaning bond or alliance, and or the cakes these women 290 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: were describing may have been called bun kuki in um. 291 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: He decided to trade market under his Nordic wear baking line. Yeah, 292 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: there's I've I've read different differing versions of the story, 293 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: and it's one of them was that the women were 294 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: calling these cakes bund because they were like, yeah, yeah, 295 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: they're alliance cakes. Yeah. A lot of stories buying that, 296 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: also a lot of stories buying this. When and why 297 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: did the T get added to the end, No one 298 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: is quite clear, though some speculated it was Doubtuss way 299 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: of differentiating his pan from a pro Nazi group called 300 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: the German American Bund. Yeah, others speculate it may have 301 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: been a decision based around trademarking. And yes, according to Daubtquis, 302 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: the name fluted tupan is the proper term, uh if 303 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: you're not not under his purviews company, and that legally 304 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: only Nordic Wear is allowed to use the bunts in 305 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: advertising and selling. Yeah. Yeah. These original pans were sand cast, 306 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: which involves creating a single use sand mold by hand 307 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: in order to cast each pan, which was fairly laborious 308 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: and uh thus a fairly expensive process. When the product 309 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: first debut, there was a small but steadily rising demand 310 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: for it. Um, a lot of it from editors who 311 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: worked for Women's magazine, So they were like taking pictures 312 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: of these pretty cakes, right right, Um, but yeah, but 313 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: sales were low for a long time, so low that 314 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: Nordic Wear considered dropping the line during the nineteen fifties. 315 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: They went like a decade before they were profitable at all. 316 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: One of the Dlquist's daughters, a woman by the name 317 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: of Linda Jeffrey, once told New York Times magazine that, 318 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: um that even the employees at the plant weren't that 319 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: impressed at first. Quote when the general manager at the 320 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: saw the prototype. He told my father, if you can 321 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: sell that thing, you can sell anything. Well he did, 322 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: so there you go. Yeah, and these low sales numbers 323 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: changed in nineteen sixty six when a bunt cake took 324 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: second place at the seventeenth annual Pillsbury Bake Off. The 325 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: winning entry was called Tonnel of Love and it was 326 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: a decadent, gooey chocolate dessert. You can find the recipe online. Um. 327 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, dal Quest was getting thousands of orders. 328 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: Production of these pans reached about thirty thousand a day. 329 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: It also helped that around the same time he had 330 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: improved the design with the lightweight formed aluminum pan. Before 331 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: this invention, about half a million homes in the US 332 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: owned a bunt pan. After that the numbers went way up. Yeah. 333 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: I read that Pillsberry got like two hundred thousand letters 334 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: like some looted Chris number of letters UM asking about 335 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: the pan that this amazing dessert had been baked in 336 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: UM and uh yeah, a note on the on the 337 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: material science there so UM so formed aluminum pans, which 338 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: is this um innovation in design UM that he had 339 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: made around that time. Those are made by spinning out 340 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: and stamping a shape into a solid metal sheet. And um, 341 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: so yeah, they're they're more lightweight and less expensive. Um, 342 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 1: a little bit less crisply detailed around the edges, but 343 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,959 Speaker 1: but still but still a quality pan that you can 344 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: get for a low price. Sounds like you're sounds like 345 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: an ad right now, Laura, to the quality pan you 346 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 1: can get for the low low price of just in dollars. 347 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: I'm I'm reporting on what I read about it from 348 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: to be fair representatives from the Nordic Wear company. Um, 349 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: they're not a sponsor of this episode. We just find 350 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: it all interest sting. Uh. Sometime around the seventies or 351 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: the eighties, they also revamped their their classic hand molded technique, 352 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: switching from sand casting to die casting, which, um, which 353 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: involves creating a steel mold that can be used to 354 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: create any number of pans. Um though yeah it is 355 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: still it is still a handmade process. So yet another 356 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: factor in this boost in the bunt cake pans sales. 357 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: The Duquis began hosting higher ups from Pillsbury, also not 358 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: a sponsor. Um. Both of these companies were located in Minneapolis, 359 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: and of course the du Quist served these higher ups 360 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: bunt cake yes, and it's hard not to think that 361 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: this didn't at least in part, lead to Pillsbury introducing 362 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 1: a whole line of Bunt cake mixes with flavors like 363 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: black forest, cherry and Chocolate Claire. In some versions of 364 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: the history, the Duques proposed the idea for the mixes 365 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: to Pillsbury themselves, using Dotties recipes for some of the 366 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: these mixes. Pillsbury partner directly with Nordic Ware to sell 367 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 1: the cake mix packaged with the Bunt cake pan. Yeah, 368 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 1: and the demand was high higher than anticipated. Um, Yeah, 369 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: like you said. Lauren Feelsbury reported that at one point 370 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventies they were getting like two requests for 371 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: people they were looking for the pan, but they were 372 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: unable to find one. Yes. Um. In nine seven, Pillsbury 373 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: retired their line of Bunt cake mixes, citing consumer shifts 374 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: towards snack your options and larger family style cakes, perhaps 375 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: in response. That same year, Nordic Ware announced their own 376 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: line of Bunt gourmet cake mixes. They put out a 377 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: Bunt cookbook as well, complete with over two hundred recipes. 378 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: Also in a pair of entrepreneurs started up a bakery 379 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: franchise called Nothing bunt Cakes. That's the that's who was 380 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: catering that party I was talking about. Oh there you go. 381 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: I think they're Georgia based. Oh really, huh okay cool? 382 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: Uh yeah. And also in the nineteen nineties, uh, Nordic 383 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: Weare started making a bunch of new um designs that 384 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: would boost sales like ah, there's a there's a rose 385 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: shaped bunt wreaths and hearts, small kinds of stuff. When 386 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: Dalk was died in two thousand five, he was eighty 387 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: six years old and still heading up production of the 388 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: bunt cake pan. Yeah. Interesting guy. He also designed an 389 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: early version of the turntables that you use in microwaves 390 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 1: to heat food more evenly way back in, so kept 391 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: kept doing the stuff. Um and uh. The Nordic Ware 392 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: family is still run by the Dalquist family, um by 393 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: I believe by a grandson whose name is also David. 394 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: A bunk cake played a role in the two film 395 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: My Big Fat Greek Wedding. I I've not seen this movie, 396 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: but from what I read, it's a joke along the 397 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: lines of like cultural misunderstandings, where someone is giving a 398 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: bunt cake to someone and this person receiving it is like, 399 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: why is there a hole in my cake? It's missing 400 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: cake happened to it. In twenty nineteen, the Norway House 401 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: collaborated with inga riston Nordic Marketplace on the exhibit Nordic 402 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: Ware The Art and Science of the Bunt I. It 403 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 1: sounds like it was a delightful exhibit. They collected stories 404 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: from from people to include as part of it. Uh 405 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: and yeah. Um. Nordic Ware sales boomed during the pandemic, 406 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: leading the company to make plans to expand their Minnesota factory. 407 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: In there is part of it. They're looking to build 408 00:27:51,920 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: a bunt cafe. Oh that's exciting. Yeah, bunt cafe. Uh wow, 409 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: one day maybe we'll get to go add it to 410 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: our field trip. Ye. Ever, growing, it's never getting smaller, 411 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: no no, no, no, no no. Uh yeah. This has 412 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: been a fun one, this fun research. Uh. This is, however, 413 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: all we have to say about the bunt cake and 414 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: the pants today, Yes, for now. But we do have 415 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: some listener mail for you and we're going to get 416 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 1: into that as soon as we get back from one 417 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:46,719 Speaker 1: more quick break for a word from our sponsor, and 418 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: we're back. Thank you sponsor. Yes, thank you, and we're 419 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: back with I could have gone two ways that way, 420 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: or I was gonna do like Ringing the horror movie. 421 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: I feel like the right vibe. I could have done 422 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: a Lord of the Rings thing, and we just did 423 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: a Lord of the Rings in our d and d 424 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: um yeah yeah, we had to throw a thing into 425 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: a volcano and everything. Yeah, and then you had to 426 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: fight essentially Kylo Wrinn. And then I felt bad about 427 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: it later because some of my opinions came out pheel 428 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: Gil about pict character. It's okay, I don't think. I 429 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: don't think you hurt his feelings too hard good. I 430 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: would hate I would hate for that to happen, Emily 431 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: wrote my listener males actually in response to the request 432 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: for a mulberry episode. Who knew this would be the 433 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: reason I write in Annie talked about thinking mulberry is 434 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: being made up like snash berries and really walk in 435 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: the chocolate factory. Also a lot of fun things to say. 436 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: Um continued. We live in Ohio where mulberry trees are plentiful, 437 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: and my husband refers to them as snowsberries. Our kids 438 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: actually believed that's what they're called. I've told them We're 439 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: going to have to start using the correct terminology. Are 440 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: our children will be at school someday talking trying to 441 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: correct their teacher. Our friends at these berries are snowsberries 442 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: and get crazy looks. He has yet to start calling 443 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: them mulberries. And I'm in the minority at our home. 444 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: See that's fun. Um Again, if I was a teacher, 445 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: I might not necessarily know me personally. I'm not saying 446 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: teachers at large, and I might be like snausberries. That 447 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: might be right, Like, all right, anything is possible. It's true, Um, 448 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: April wrote, I was just listening to the Baked Beans 449 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: episode and heard you discussing dessert hot sauce. I used 450 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: to work with an awesome pastry chef in Jersey who 451 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: had a hot sauce business on the side. One of 452 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: the things they make are fruity hot sauces that somehow 453 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: taste like freshly picked fruit that is blazing hot. The 454 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: other hot sauces are fantastic as well. My personal favorite 455 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: was the ginger a thousand percent. Check them out Jersey 456 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: barn Fire. Oh yes, I'm into it. I want it. 457 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: This is like it's become such a point, a ridiculous point. 458 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: Of indecision every day where I'm like, what hot sauce? 459 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: Why limit myself to one? So yes, I'm very excited 460 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: about this, eager to try even more. Yes, add to 461 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: the collection, Yes, a whole shelf. No joke in my 462 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: pantry is just sauce, So add some more in there? 463 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: Why not? Yeah? 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