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Speaker 1: Here we go. It is a Tuesday. Welcome in. We

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Speaker 1: are live in Chicago. Apparently the Buffalo Bills have a

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Speaker 1: new coach. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for making us part of your day. Story came

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Speaker 1: down about eight minutes ago. Nine minutes ago Joe Brady,

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Speaker 1: who's been with the bills for several years, started as

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen's quarterback coach, is the new hire for the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. And so that's okay. Was it the hot

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Speaker 1: And I read a story this morning and it said

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Speaker 1: the Patriot Seahawks is the most unlikely Super Bowl matchup

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Speaker 1: think it's shocking and I'll tell you why. What did

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Speaker 1: we learn this NFL season. Let's tie a bow on

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Speaker 1: it as we go through all the coaching hires. Number

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Speaker 1: one thing we learned, hire the best or second best

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Speaker 4: If you want to turn your fortunes around. That's what the.

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Speaker 1: Chargers did with Harbaugh, Patriots did with Rabel, Bears did

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Speaker 1: with Ben Johnson, Broncos did with Sean Payton, Vrabel, New England,

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Speaker 1: and oh, by the way, Mike McDonald was the hot

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Speaker 1: young coach interviewed for six different teams. The Harbaughs raved

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Speaker 1: When we thought their offense had better players than their defense,

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Speaker 1: he made him number one. He was the McVeigh of

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Speaker 1: that coaching cycle for a young coach who hadn't been

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Speaker 1: So that's the number one thing. Does Joe Brady of

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Speaker 1: the Bills, who's going to get hired this morning? Does

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Speaker 1: he qualify as that? I do not believe. So the

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Speaker 1: second thing that we learned this season, either have a

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Speaker 1: Remember it surprised everybody. So ask yourself, is Joe Brady

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Speaker 1: His cap hit his fifty six million dollars. That's why

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Speaker 1: I have said the most I've done this four years

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Speaker 1: I've given you two teams that will surprise the league.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin won the NFL's not about just winning. How

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Speaker 1: has Sam Darnold changed his reputation winning in January. Right,

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Speaker 1: it's not just about winning. Pittsburgh wins all the time,

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Speaker 1: it's about winning in January. And I've always said this,

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Speaker 1: You know you have an elite coach. You and I

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Speaker 1: I won't put him up against Shanahan, McVeigh, Ben Johnson

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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan beat the Eagles. Remember a few weeks back,

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Speaker 1: To Ben Johnson, Kyle Shanahan, hardball, they lost to other coaches.

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Speaker 1: That was their big swing. They upgraded a playoff win.

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Speaker 1: That's not what Seattle did in New England did. They're

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Speaker 1: The good news for McCarthy he didn't have to pay

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Speaker 4: That helps. But Josh Allen isn't.

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck briefly had Mike McCarthy as a physician coach.

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Speaker 1: He talked about the Steelers higher.

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Speaker 6: I'm happy for him, and I do think it's a

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Speaker 1: got that in John Harbaugh. Mike McDonald was the hot coach.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry about comfort. Hire one of the best two coaches,

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Speaker 1: and you have to negotiate the best team friendly deal

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Speaker 1: you can at quarterback. Because Mahomes didn't make the playoffs,

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Speaker 4: Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: If I ever want to win an argument with somebody,

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Speaker 1: Are the Bears Vikings big games? Of course, it's a

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Speaker 8: Career, Sam Donald wouldn't be the player or person he

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Speaker 1: Welcome in. It is our two Nick Wright around mccorner.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot to talk about today. The Buffalo

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Speaker 1: You know, I talked about this to start last hour.

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, it's very very promising, right you. Ben Johnson

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Speaker 1: It's just you're gonna win some games if the coaching

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Speaker 4: I it's one of those just well, I mean, what

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Speaker 4: do you feel?

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Speaker 5: So I don't. I don't get it at all.

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Speaker 9: In the context of that press conference last week with Pagoula,

434
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Speaker 9: and here is why, two points were made by the

435
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Speaker 9: Bills owner, seemingly unrelated to each other, but totally related

436
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Speaker 9: to this specific higher point one the team. I wasn't

437
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Speaker 9: planning on fire and Sean McDermott, but when I saw

438
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Speaker 9: the utter devastation in the locker room, I felt like

439
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Speaker 9: the team needed a fresh voice like that they just

440
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Speaker 9: too many devastating losses, right, And you can argue with

441
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Speaker 9: that logic or not, but that's what he said. The

442
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Speaker 9: reasoning for it was so to me, that screams you're

443
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Speaker 9: bringing in someone from the outside, someone who is not

444
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Speaker 9: scarred from the devastating losses, that has not had a

445
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Speaker 9: hand in the devastating losses. So that's the first point

446
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Speaker 9: that to me makes this odd. The other seemingly unrelated

447
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Speaker 9: point is oddly about Kean Coleman. When the owner of

448
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Speaker 9: the team jumps in, he's like, let me be very clear, Keon,

449
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 9: who's still in the roster, was not our GM's pick.

450
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Speaker 9: He was the coaching staff's pick. And putting being like

451
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Speaker 9: those dopes screwed that up. Who on the coaching staff, Colin,

452
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Speaker 9: do you think would have the loudest say on which

453
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Speaker 9: wide receiver to pick? The defensive minded head coach or

454
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Speaker 9: the offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 5: It's Joe Brady.

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Speaker 9: So the one like drive by in the press conferences

457
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Speaker 9: on Keon Goleman where they laid it at the feet

458
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Speaker 9: of the coaching staff, which I think means Joe Brady, even.

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Speaker 5: Though they were trying to put it on McDermott.

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Speaker 9: But why would McDermott have a super strong opinion about

461
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Speaker 9: which receiver to take. It'd be the coordinator and the

462
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Speaker 9: other one was the team just needed a deep cleansing

463
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Speaker 9: bath after a half decade of playoff defeats. But then

464
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Speaker 9: they bring in the same guy. So again, that doesn't

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Speaker 9: mean he won't be a good head coach, but it

466
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Speaker 9: is weird and it does make me feel like the

467
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Speaker 9: Bills are not the best run operation and maybe McDermott

468
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Speaker 9: was covering up more than we thought.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I'm happy that Sam Donald made

470
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and that he played his best game

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Speaker 1: as a pro, probably in the biggest spot. I know.

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Speaker 9: I'm happy for you, buddy. I'm happy for you. You are

473
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Speaker 9: the only one. No one can say no one saw

474
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Speaker 9: this coming, no one believed in him. We all have

475
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Speaker 9: to say no one saw this coming except for coward.

476
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Speaker 9: No one believed in him except for Cole Like, you're

477
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Speaker 9: the one guy, so congrats, but go ahead.

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Speaker 4: I will say this.

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Speaker 1: That I never knew if Sam was good enough to

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Speaker 1: win a super Bowl. I always argued he's way too

481
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Speaker 1: good not to win games. Like I'm not saying, you know,

482
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's funny. In that quarterback draft class, Lamar

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Speaker 1: Alan Baker, Donald and I said this what we learned

484
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Speaker 1: this Nick hire the best or hottest young coach on

485
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Speaker 1: the coaching market, Vrabel, Peyton, Mike McDonald, McVeigh. Either do

486
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Speaker 1: that that'll get you, that helps win your division we get. Secondly,

487
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Speaker 1: if you have a star quarterback, it's got to be

488
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Speaker 1: team friendly. Donald has been last two years of star

489
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Speaker 1: team friendly. Stafford pretty team friendly. And so everybody thinks

490
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Speaker 1: this is sort of a one off. In my take,

491
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Speaker 1: is Joe Brady and Josh Allen at fifty six million,

492
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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson wants a new contract.

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Speaker 4: Could I not.

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Speaker 1: Argue that this Donald thing is not a one off?

495
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Speaker 1: Is that if you look at their roster full of

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Speaker 1: kids they don't pay. Sam Darnold is going to make

497
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Speaker 1: more Super Bowls going forward than Lamar and Josh Allen more.

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Speaker 9: Going forward is very interesting. Well, he's already the only

499
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Speaker 9: one to make one. And it is Listen, there have

500
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Speaker 9: been three quarterback classes ever, Colin where you add at

501
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Speaker 9: least three quarterbacks from those classes win fifty.

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Speaker 5: Or more games.

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Speaker 9: Eighty three with Elway Marino, Jim Kelly, that quarterback class

504
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Speaker 9: made ten Super Bowls. Wow four with Eli Rivers and

505
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Speaker 9: Big Ben that quarterback class made five super Bowls. Rivers

506
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Speaker 9: obviously didn't. And twenty eighteen where four guys have won

507
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Speaker 9: fifty plus games, Baker, Josh, Lamar, and Sam and Sam

508
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Speaker 9: is now the only one to make the super Bowl

509
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Speaker 9: and going into the year, Colin, I picked it in

510
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Speaker 9: mbing dead wrong Baker to be the one to make

511
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Speaker 9: the super Bowl based on a lot of the same logic.

512
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Speaker 9: He is going to give you franchise level quarterback play

513
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Speaker 9: at at a good but not overwhelming salary, and you're

514
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Speaker 9: gonna be able to have all this talent.

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Speaker 4: We know.

516
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Speaker 9: The cleanest path to the Super Bowl over the last

517
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Speaker 9: twenty years is the one the Patriots are writing right now,

518
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Speaker 9: Get a draft of quarterback, get him up to franchise

519
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 9: quarterback level while on the rookie contract. After that, it

520
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 9: gets tricky, and it does look like that the second

521
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Speaker 9: best path might be get a guy who had been

522
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Speaker 9: cast aside, get him back up to a level or

523
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Speaker 9: a level he's never been. Pay him more than a rookie,

524
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Speaker 9: but not what the top guys make. I mean, it's

525
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Speaker 9: a short list of guys who were making franchise quarterback

526
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Speaker 9: salaries and made Super Bowls much less. Multiple Mahomes obviously

527
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 9: did it a number of times. Stafford his first year

528
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Speaker 9: in Los Angeles did it. I think Brady one of

529
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Speaker 9: his years in New England. But it's not a lot

530
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Speaker 9: of instances. When Burrow made it, he wasn't making any money.

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Speaker 9: It asks a lot of the quarterback, and I do

532
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Speaker 9: wonder what this means for Josh and Lamar, especially because

533
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Speaker 9: I think Lamar is going to try and he deserves it,

534
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Speaker 9: to become the highest pay this off season. I think

535
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Speaker 9: that's really tough.

536
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I said.

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Speaker 1: The one thing we know to be true is coaches,

538
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: in these big games, especially when there's time off before

539
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: the big game, they love to try to motivate their players.

540
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: When Miami played the National Championship against Indiana, and I mean,

541
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Speaker 1: I said on the air, Miami has heard now for

542
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: over a week, you have no chance to beat Indiana.

543
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Speaker 4: I said, They're gonna play with their hair on fire.

544
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Speaker 1: They got more NFL players, They're gonna bloody Indiana's lip.

545
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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good game. The first quarter they

546
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: literally bloodied the lip of Mendoza. They were late hitting.

547
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: You could tell their whole thing was you don't think

548
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,959
Speaker 1: we belong here. So Brady's run the Dynasty started as

549
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: a fourteen point dog in to a much more popular

550
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: team that was more fun to watch. Greatest show on Turf.

551
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Speaker 1: I said this yesterday, New England's a five point dog.

552
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Speaker 1: Everybody thinks Seattle's gonna crush them. I think New England

553
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: and vrabel he is going to sell them on this

554
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: for two weeks. Is that everybody wanted McVeigh first, Seattle second,

555
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: and nobody cared about the AFC. I think the Super

556
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: Bowl is a field goal super Bowl. I think it's

557
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: going to be incredibly well coached. I think it's go

558
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: either way. I'm in the minority. Where are you on it.

559
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Speaker 9: Well, listen, I agree with you that I think New

560
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 9: England obviously can win, and I feel like Vrabel would

561
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 9: have had more legitimate you know, everybody, nobody's.

562
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Speaker 5: Picking US ammunition.

563
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Speaker 9: Had they been playing the Rams, even if the point

564
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Speaker 9: spread was a half point smaller, because there would have

565
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Speaker 9: been a general sentiment of, oh, we know Stafford and.

566
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Speaker 5: McVeigh can do it.

567
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Speaker 9: I think it's I think what's going to be tough

568
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 9: to sell the Pats players on nobody believes in US

569
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 9: is even though it has not played out this postseason.

570
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 9: Most people believe the Patriots have the better quarterback in

571
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Speaker 9: the game, and the people who don't pick Seattle are

572
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Speaker 9: going to say, as great as he was in the

573
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 9: NFC Championship game, I don't know if I trust Sam Darnold.

574
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Speaker 9: That's not necessarily how I feel about it, but I

575
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Speaker 9: just think it's going to be hard to sell the

576
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 9: true nobody believes in a story for the Pats. What

577
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Speaker 9: I find so interesting and why the Pats are scary

578
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 9: is they have gotten to this game and their quarterback

579
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Speaker 9: hasn't played well once this postseason, and so I am

580
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 9: I get a little annoyed when some of the pats apologists, fans,

581
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 9: co hosts of the first things. First, Kevin Wilde's not

582
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 9: naming names, you know, talk about man, look at these

583
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 9: great defenses we've had to go through. That is impressive,

584
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 9: beating the Chargers, the Texans, and the Broncos. But those

585
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 9: great defenses have looked like great defenses to the tune

586
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 9: of Drake May putting up identical numbers in route to

587
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Speaker 9: the playoffs as Trent Dilford did and route to his

588
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 9: super Bowl. So like that part of it. But I

589
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 9: know how good Drake May is. I know that he

590
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 9: can pop off for a huge game. My twelve days

591
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 9: out gut feeling on this game is if.

592
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Speaker 5: The pats O line holds up, I think they win.

593
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Speaker 9: If the pats O line has the issues it has

594
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Speaker 9: had in every round of the playoffs, I think Seattle wins.

595
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Speaker 9: And maybe it could get I don't want to say

596
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 9: he could get ugly, Buddy, we've seen Drake maybe loose

597
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 9: with the ball. I know Will Campbell didn't allow us

598
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 9: sack this past week. He has struggled every game since

599
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 9: coming back from injury. I think that Seattle d line

600
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 9: has been they're not so secret weapon all year and

601
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Speaker 9: that to me is the matchup that will decide it.

602
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 9: But I also do like for the Pats side of

603
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 9: it that the vrabel has been Super Bowls, but asn't

604
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 9: coached in them. Had the Rams won, McVeigh and Stafford

605
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 9: have been there, they know the rhythm, they know all

606
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 9: of it. Mike McDonald is a Super Bowl rookie as well,

607
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 9: so there's not the edge there, so I think that

608
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 9: helps the Pats more so than if the Rams had won.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna lay this out because I think we're

610
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Speaker 1: both I am. I have always said I prefer analytics

611
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Speaker 1: over analytics, but I do buy that in baseball, for instance,

612
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: strikeouts don't matter, just don't hit ground balls.

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Speaker 4: I do believe that over.

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Speaker 1: The course of a regular season, three point shots are

615
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: better than two, although when you get to the playoffs,

616
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Speaker 1: I think it becomes get a basket, get a stop

617
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Speaker 1: more than the regular season. In the NFL, I'm a

618
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: go for it guy, So I'm just gonna lay this out.

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Speaker 1: We like Sean McVay more than Sean Payton, not me personally,

620
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: but the market Peyton can you do?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm one of them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So if Bowe Nicks would have been playing. I

624
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Speaker 1: have no problem going for it. The Jarrett Stidham factor

625
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: is why I don't like it, nor do I like

626
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: him rolling out. But just think about this. It's at home,

627
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: you have a top two offensive line. You're not dealing

628
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: with crowd o line. And to be honest with you,

629
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: Sean Payton's one of the best play callers in the game.

630
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: You have great confidence. I didn't like it because of

631
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: the play call, putting it in a backup quarterback to

632
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Speaker 1: make an athletic play. Bow Nicks doesn't get it. I'm

633
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: much better with it. You're at home with a dominant online.

634
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: Here's what's interesting. McVeigh as a fourth and four on

635
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Speaker 1: the loudest road stadium in the league against a better

636
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: defense with a quarterback who's arguably the least athletic in

637
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: the league. So if you don't get it off the snap,

638
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: there is no second play. There's no Caleb Williams here.

639
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: Whatever's dialed up is the play you get, and everybody

640
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: universally is I love what McVeigh did on fourth and

641
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: four on the road defense, immobile quarterback, and my take

642
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: is in both of them, if Bonix is healthy, I

643
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: was good going for it. But is it possible that

644
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 1: the Rams going forth they stopped him on the previous drive,

645
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: The Rams going for it wasn't as sure a thing

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Speaker 1: as I'm being told it is.

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Speaker 5: Well, so I'll do Rams and then Broncos.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 9: I would have gone for it in the Rams spot

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Speaker 9: without a doubt, Okay, because I would have been worried

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Speaker 9: about if I kicked the field goal? Is what ended

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Speaker 9: up happening going to happen where Seattle is able to

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Speaker 9: pick up the three first downs they have to, and

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Speaker 9: I never touched the ball again, and I you know,

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Speaker 9: they put the ball in the MVP's hands. And to

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Speaker 9: Seattle's credit, on both third down and fourth down, they

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Speaker 9: were not able to throw the ball to Puka, to DeVante,

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Speaker 9: to either of their tight ends to Kyron Williams. Those

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Speaker 9: passes went to a fifth and a six string receiver

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Speaker 9: because Seattle covered him so well.

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Speaker 5: Credit to them.

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Speaker 9: So I didn't have a problem with McVeigh going for

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Speaker 9: it there. I think McVeigh does have some game management issues.

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Speaker 9: He's a great coach, nobody's perfect. My biggest Sean Payton

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Speaker 9: issue is this, and I don't know that it has

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Speaker 9: been emphasized enough no matter who your quarterback is, it

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Speaker 9: is Sean Payton's job to know better than I know,

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Speaker 9: better than you know, better than nanceon Romo, know what's

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Speaker 9: the forecast for the next hour. And that was not

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Speaker 9: I understand that the viewer was caught off guard at

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Speaker 9: how bad that storm got. But when you have all

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Speaker 9: week to prepare, when everybody knows the country was going

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Speaker 9: through a very you know, a winter storm, you have

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Speaker 9: to have factored in. Is it you know, what is

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Speaker 9: the possibility that come the second half, this game's going

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Speaker 9: to be a blizzard? And does that make a ten

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Speaker 9: to nothing lead more valuable than otherwise? And so I

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Speaker 9: thought that that was I thought Peyton and Stidham both

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Speaker 9: made one grievous error. I thought that was it for

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Speaker 9: Peyton and for Stidham that when it's third and four,

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Speaker 9: if you're on.

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Speaker 5: The border of field goal range.

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Speaker 9: The difference between a sack and incompletion is a big deal.

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Speaker 9: Try to avoid the sack, maybe make a mistake when

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Speaker 9: he fumbled the ball, trying to turn a sack into

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Speaker 9: an incompletion. A sackon and incompletion are identical things. When

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Speaker 9: you're on your own twenty yard line.

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Speaker 5: You're punning.

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Speaker 9: So like Stidham's gotta know, a sack is fine is

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Speaker 9: throwing the ball away? What it saves us eight yards?

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Speaker 9: Who gives a damn we're punning anyway. So those and

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Speaker 9: those two mistakes plus a block field goal, and all

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Speaker 9: of a sudden, the Pats are back in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the we'll end with this. I called him the

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Stailers most of this year. It just feels like

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Speaker 1: the league is pivoted to offense. They still pay the

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Speaker 1: most for defense. They're kind of toned af to offense.

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Speaker 1: Everybody in the playoffs. You know, AFC at a twenty

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Speaker 1: year old quarterback. They got a forty two year old quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and they hire Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 4: He is not an awful coach.

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Speaker 1: In fact, my guess is he'll turn the franchise into

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Speaker 1: offensive friendly more than where they're at. Now, what was

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Speaker 1: your reaction to the higher. It feels like he makes

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Speaker 1: them comfortable. Nobody loves Pittsburgh more than Pittsburgh, and he

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Speaker 1: makes them comfortable.

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Speaker 4: Is that fair? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I think it's fair.

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Speaker 9: Listen, this is not the higher I would have made.

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Speaker 9: I would have gone young, offensive minded, big SWI whether

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Speaker 9: it's the Skielhouse kid and I'm not even just pronouncing

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Speaker 9: his name, the kid from the Rams who's interviewing. Wait

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Speaker 9: a couple of weeks for Clint Kobiak and say, hey,

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Speaker 9: we're the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 5: You have a long leash.

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Speaker 9: Here we're going it's okay if we take a giant

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Speaker 9: step back next year and then draft a quarterback and

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Speaker 9: then develop them. That's the path I would have taken. However,

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Speaker 9: while I'm saying that I understand the defense, the people

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Speaker 9: that like the high would be like sold on. Let

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Speaker 9: me get this clear. The reason you don't like the

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Speaker 9: hire is because you think with McCarthy will win nine

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Speaker 9: or ten games, and without him we would have won

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Speaker 9: three or four, and you think that's better. And my

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Speaker 9: answer that is yeah, basically like yes, I think that

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Speaker 9: the Steelers bottoming out briefly to then come up would

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Speaker 9: be best for them long term. But we have four

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Speaker 9: coaches Colin In, John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy,

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Speaker 9: who all win between sixty one and sixty three percent

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Speaker 9: of their games, who all have ten, eleven or twelve

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Speaker 9: playoff wins, except for Tomlin, who I think has eight

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Speaker 9: who all coached Hall of Fame quarterbacks and have won

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Speaker 9: Super Bowl. Harball's considered the was the hottest coach on

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Speaker 9: the market, Sean Payton's a genius, Tomlin everyone thinks will

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Speaker 9: get any job if he wants to take one, and

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Speaker 9: then McCarthy's considered a bit of a boso. So I

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Speaker 9: just think maybe he has bad pr because he has

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Speaker 9: the similar resumes of these other guys, and we're like, yeah,

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Speaker 9: but he had Aaron Rodgers, and it's like yeah, and

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Speaker 9: Sean Payton had Drew Brees, and Harbaugh had Lamar Jackson,

741
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Speaker 9: and Tomlin had Big Ben and we don't hold that

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Speaker 9: against them.

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Speaker 5: All that said, I wouldn't have hired him.

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Speaker 9: I'd have hired Clint Kobak or somebody young to take

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Speaker 9: roll the dice.

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Speaker 5: But I don't think it's a disaster.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's really funny. And it's true if

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Speaker 1: you look at the resume with you know, the Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton's and on Hardball, somebody posted on the internet, it's

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Speaker 1: the same thing. One of them's got a way better image,

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Speaker 1: and that's just the reality. Sometimes If Mike McCarthy, because

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Speaker 1: he has coached the Packers and the Cowboys. We've often

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Speaker 1: had huge viewership numbers for his losses. Right when the

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Speaker 1: Packers lose, it's the number one rated game when the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: and I think a lot of it is he is.

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Speaker 1: It's like coaching duke basketball or Notre Dame football. You,

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Speaker 1: whether you're good or not, it's embellished to some degree

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Speaker 1: because your games are so notable. It's like Aaron Boone

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Speaker 1: for the Yankees is a bum. It's like if he

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Speaker 1: was coaching in Kansas City, you wouldn't remember, you know.

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Speaker 4: You'd be happy with the results. Wow.

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Speaker 9: Well, listen drive by on the Royals, who, by the

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Speaker 9: way of one of World Series far more recently than

764
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Speaker 9: the Yankees. But that's neither here nor there, says very quickly.

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Speaker 9: I just add to that. I also think when McCarthy

766
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Speaker 9: was losing playoff games with Rogers, the only loud national

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Speaker 9: media voice that was, like, Aaron Rodgers, maybe he isn't

768
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Speaker 9: the greatest quarterback ever to live, was you and everyone

769
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Speaker 9: else just put it all at McCarthy's feet. By the

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Speaker 9: time Matt Lafleur was losing playoff games with Rogers, the

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Speaker 9: bloom was off the Rows a bit and some of

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Speaker 9: those losses went at Rogers' feet and Lafloor's, you know,

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Speaker 9: not so much, right, and so I do think that

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Speaker 9: some of those really tough playoff losses he suffered early,

775
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Speaker 9: most of us, myself included, were like, well, Dovilin's not

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Speaker 9: Aaron Rodgers' fault. Look at how talented he is, and

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Speaker 9: so it stuck to him in a way it wouldn't

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Speaker 9: have to other coaches.

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Speaker 5: That's kind of the last.

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Speaker 1: Point on that I apologized for the Royals shot that

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Speaker 1: was unnecessary.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I don't know making the two World Series

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Speaker 9: back to back years, winning one of them. The Yankees

784
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Speaker 9: haven't been the one since I think since I was

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Speaker 9: w president first year of Obama. It's been quite some time.

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Speaker 9: I mean, the Royals pretty good franchise when you look

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Speaker 9: at it.

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Speaker 5: Talk to you Layer Collins.

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Speaker 1: Nick, right, Yeah, there is something you know, when I

790
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Speaker 1: hear certain of people getting criticized, it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I throw Aaron Boone out there. It's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: when you manage the Yankees, you know, people watch the Yankees.

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Speaker 1: I mean a great example is the Dodger skipper. You know,

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Speaker 1: Dave Roberts has now went back to back World series

795
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Speaker 1: and literally pulled every lever.

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Speaker 4: Brilliantly in a Game seven.

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Speaker 1: But when you're the Dodgers manager and you have that payroll,

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Speaker 1: you know, just we watch the games. I mean, think

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Speaker 1: about this. McCarthy has coached the Packers, the Cowboys, and

800
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Speaker 1: now the Steelers. There's an argument they're the three most

801
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Speaker 1: iconic brands in the sport. So every bad clock management

802
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Speaker 1: moment we watched.

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Speaker 4: He I mean, how many.

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Speaker 1: Jags games did you watch? It was Liam Cohen perfect

805
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Speaker 1: on the clock this year? Probably not? You didn't watch

806
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Speaker 1: the games, right, So it is very true. Mike McCarthy's

807
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Speaker 1: resume looks a lot like Tomlins, it looks a lot

808
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Speaker 1: like John Harbaughs, but we view it differently. And that's,

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Speaker 1: you know a little bit the way the world works.

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Speaker 4: It's the