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Speaker 2: Welcome to off the cup my personal anti anxiety antidote.

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Speaker 2: As you know, we don't generally do politics here. This

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Speaker 2: have a great guest, and we do. We are in

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Speaker 2: the midst of a very tumultuous political time and a

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of anxiety from all directions about immigration

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Speaker 2: The loudest voices in the room are on the crazy

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Speaker 2: they're looking to alternatives, to new paths forward to a

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Speaker 2: He's a former attorney, a former lobbyist, and author of

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Speaker 3: He's founder of the Forward Party. Andrew Yang, welcome to

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Speaker 1: Hey, it's great to be here. I'm off the cup

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Speaker 1: No, it's now, and most Americans feel it. The approval

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Speaker 1: into kids' lives where they could do it eighteen hours

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Speaker 1: a day if if you know, left to their own devices,

437
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: their own devices, see that, Yeah, it's yea, and it's

438
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: one reason why I admire Jonathan Heights work so much

439
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: with the anxious generation. I'm privileged to call John a friend.

440
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: It's one reason I've started Noble Mobile is to try

441
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: and combat the screen addiction, because it's not just kids.

442
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's you and me. Yeah, and I do.

443
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about that, and I

444
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 2: want to talk to you about mental health and and

445
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 2: all of that. But sticking with you, so you you

446
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: go to college, you go to a big law firm

447
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: after college, but I know you're well, I.

448
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: Do want to share this arc too. See, I have

449
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 1: a book coming out in February. On February that's like

450
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: brand new in terms of announcem. It's called Hey Yang,

451
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 1: Where's My thousand Bucks? It's sort of like humorous account

452
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: of the journey of the last number of years. But

453
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: I realized, like, oh, I should share a little bit

454
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: of my upbringing. So you know, scrawny Asian guy picked

455
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: on and so I wasn't like, oh, how am I

456
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: going to be a successful adult. It's like, how am

457
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 1: I going to get a date? How am I going

458
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: to not like singled out in some way and so

459
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: very angry? Uh? And then when I get to the

460
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: summer before college, I hit the gym, and then the

461
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: gym becomes like this lifelong companion. And then I take

462
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: up martial arts when I get to college, and that's

463
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 1: where the anger goes. Like I just, you know, and

464
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: I think there's a stereotype of like the angry Asian

465
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: guy in the gym, is there? I think, so, yeah, okay, yeah,

466
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: and so I was that guy, and I guess that's

467
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: a relatively healthy way to channel it. But I was

468
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: ticked off for a long time.

469
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

470
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. I don't know what drives different people

471
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 1: to run for president in my case, but I like

472
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: the anger was with me for most of my adult life.

473
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: And a young person asked me the other day and

474
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: was like, hey, do you think your anger helped make

475
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: you successful and like your twenties and thirties? And I

476
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: thought about it. I was like, yeah, I probably did, because,

477
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: like i mean, at times it made me miserable and

478
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: at times I'm sure it like fueled insecurities and hurt

479
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: relationships and a bunch of other things, but it also,

480
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: you know, pushed me.

481
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 3: Have you gone to therapy?

482
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: So I saw that counselor Sue Denby when I was

483
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: in ninth or tenth grade, and then I've tried therapy

484
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: once or twice since then because I believe in therapy. Okay,

485
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, my brother's a clinical psychologist. I benefited from

486
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: it when I was young. I've seen countless other people

487
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: benefit from it. But I haven't had like a relationship

488
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: with a therapist since then.

489
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 3: Really, Okay, so after college you go to a big

490
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 3: law firm.

491
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: I think I saw you were deeply disillusioned pretty quickly and.

492
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 3: Decided to get out of there. Why what was so

493
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:46,959
Speaker 3: bad about it?

494
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: You know? I mean I shouldn't knock it. And at

495
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: this point, anyone who you know, like doing anything that's

496
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: gainful employment, we should all just embrace an applaud But

497
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: these days, yeah, yeah, but I I joke to my

498
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: brother when I got home for Thanksgiving that fall, I

499
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I didn't dream about like when

500
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: we were kids, I dreamt about going in the woods

501
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: and killing a dragon. I didn't dream about being the

502
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: fucking scribe, which is what the right like it felt

503
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: like being a corporate lawyer was because I was just

504
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: like documenting deals for someone else's achievement, and I was like,

505
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: this is terrible, like I should really try and achieve

506
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: something myself, Like I can't believe i'm you know, the

507
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: document specialist for someone who did something of significance and

508
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: said that to my parents, said a version of that

509
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: to my parents, like you didn't come to this country

510
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: with me to do this job. Now, like that that's

511
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: a little bit you know, harsh and out. You know,

512
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: part of it too, s He was that I felt

513
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: my brain rewiring itself, because we're very adaptable, and so

514
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: I remember thinking two things. Number one, I'm getting better

515
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: at this job, and number two, I hate this job.

516
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: And so then it's like, well, shoot it. What if

517
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: you get really good at something you hate, like that'd

518
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: be terrible. And then I was like, well, if I

519
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: do this longer, it's just going to get harder to leave,

520
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: you know, the like they were paying me six figures

521
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: as like a punk kid who was, you know, twenty

522
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: four years old and didn't know shit, And so I

523
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: was like, I got to get out of here, like

524
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: this place is bizarre and the people around me are

525
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: very very unhappy, like the you know, I mean, corporate

526
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: attorneys are famously unhappy. So I was like, yeah, if

527
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: I don't leave now, it's just going to get harder.

528
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: So then I hit the eject button at five months,

529
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: which was quite rash. They had me repay my signing bonus.

530
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, I have to give that

531
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: back to you. And and became like a you know,

532
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: struggling entrepreneur had like a mini rise in maximum fall

533
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: from a not great height. So that that's the way

534
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: I spent my you know, mid twenties, was trying to

535
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: learn how to be like a bad as entrepreneur and failing.

536
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 3: But that must have been leaving you know, you go

537
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: to law school, right, you leaving the the law firm

538
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 3: that you get into must have been a little scary.

539
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: And then going into a field, like, you know, being

540
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: an entrepreneur is also scary.

541
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Speaker 3: I mean none of this was like stable.

542
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: How did you get the courage to make all those

543
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: big decisions?

544
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? My My Asian parents were not pleased. They told

545
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: their friends I was a lawyer for quite some time.

546
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 3: Sure you're still a lawyer to them?

547
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah really yeah, probably right. They tried to talk me

548
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: out of running for president too, you know they are

549
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: Asian after all.

550
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: Jeez.

551
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: So, uh, when I left the law firm and this

552
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: is in some ways is very deep. I give Young

553
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: Meek credits. He I said, like, look, the risk is

554
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: not going broke because I left this cushy job. Yeah.

555
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: The risk is looking in the mirror years from now

556
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: and wondering why I did not do anything.

557
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: But that's so wise and introspective for a twenty something

558
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: like that's really, I think, very a mature way to

559
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: see it.

560
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: No, and the other thing I thought, and this is

561
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: some cockiness, is like, I'm not going to die. I'm

562
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: not going to starve to death.

563
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 3: I'll figure it out.

564
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also don't have mortgage, kids, even a girlfriend.

565
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: It's like, what am I doing? Right?

566
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 3: It's just you.

567
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's like if I'm not going to take

568
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: a risk now, like when am I going to do it? Yeah?

569
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: I mean I get it, but so many people don't.

570
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: And they look back, they're forty and they've been in

571
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: something for twenty years and like how did I How

572
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: did I get here?

573
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: And how do I get out of it?

574
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: Now?

575
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: You have a number of successes in business, do you

576
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: feel like, at some point, oh, this is what I'm

577
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: good at, this is what I'm supposed to be doing.

578
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: Well, it took a while like my dot com flopped,

579
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: and then I joined a healthcare software company that did

580
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: not achieve its goals. Also in they're a wireless company

581
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: that ran out of money. So it's not like I

582
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: was some like whiz kid business guy. I mean, my

583
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: first dot com raised maybe two hundred and fifty thousand,

584
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: which felt like a lot of money when you're twenty

585
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: four years old. And so I became a tutor part time,

586
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: and I became a nightclub promoter in my mid late twenties.

587
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: And then I hit my stride when I got this

588
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: job at an education company that I really enjoyed running,

589
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: and we had a great time and team. And so

590
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: at that point, you know what's funny is even while

591
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: I was trying and failing in my mid to late twenties,

592
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: I still thought, like, you know, like I can be

593
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: good at this hu I can be good, But your

594
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: insecurity start to grow. Your friends are all still making

595
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: a lot of money at law firms and you are not,

596
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: and so that then you start also becoming like a

597
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: little bit down on yourself. And so by the time

598
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: I became the CEO and waiting and then CEO of

599
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: this little education company, I was like I have got

600
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: to make this work. Hell or high water, this thing

601
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: is gonna work. Yeah, and I did. To my credit.

602
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: I showed up every day and just like you know,

603
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: ground like you know, just like grow, grow, grow, try

604
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: and do a good job. And then that company gets

605
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: sold a number of years later, and then I end

606
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: up becoming a millionaire at the age of thirty four.

607
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: So at that point then it's like, okay, like you know,

608
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: like I guess I am good at this right. But

609
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: it was a journey.

610
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 3: How do you meet your wife?

611
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: I met her on campus at Columbia at an alumni

612
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: event when I was there talking about my education company,

613
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: and then she was on campus.

614
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: Was it a long courtship or were you guys kind

615
00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 3: of immediately into it.

616
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: Some funny stories. So when we first met, she was

617
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: dating someone else. I was dating someone else. Uh, and

618
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: I was dead and I was like, wow, she's beautiful,

619
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: but you know, obviously dating someone else, and like I

620
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: am too, So I was very I was very you know,

621
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: like professional and yeah, arms length. And then she emailed

622
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: me a few months later asking about our courses for

623
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: a friend, and I was like, uh huh. And then

624
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: I wrote her back saying like, hey, hope you and

625
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: your boyfriend are doing well, and then she was like,

626
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we split up and I was like, you

627
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: want to go do so then like so then when

628
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: we went out to dinner, it was pretty much on,

629
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: though she did break up with me at one point

630
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: in there. Early on She's like, oh, this is too

631
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: intense to cut my relationship that sort of thing, and

632
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: then I this was actually the biggest sign of growth

633
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: for me, I see, because like I'd had a lot

634
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: of things wrong and trying to court women. I wasn't

635
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: very good at it. But when she broke things off

636
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: of me, I took it like a champ. I was like,

637
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: oh yeah, like you really should have some time for

638
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: yourself and like da dadan, like it was something very sincere.

639
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, well, you know, like that's too

640
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: bad and it hurt, but I was able to take

641
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: it in a way that I was not able to

642
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: take it when I was a bit younger. Keep in mind,

643
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: by this time, I was thirty one. And so then

644
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: she and it was ended up coming back around and

645
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: calling me pretty quickly, and we've been together now for

646
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 1: nineteen years, so it was it was not quite love

647
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: at first, sight, it was like definitely, you know, like

648
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: what we came together pretty quickly.

649
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell me about being a dad. What kind of

650
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 3: dad are you?

651
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: I'm a dad that's trying to lean into what I'm

652
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: good at and then accepting that there are a lot

653
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: of things I'm like not excellent at. I would say

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Speaker 1: that one of the main things I can do better

655
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Speaker 1: is getting off screens when I'm around my kids, because

656
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: they love their screens and I'm very very concerned, like

657
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: don't they don't have smartphones, but they do have like

658
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Speaker 1: iPad laptop type stuff, and so I'm around them sometimes

659
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: and I like sign like, oh, they're just like hypnotized

660
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Speaker 1: by their screens, and I'm like, I guess I'll just

661
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: like check my email or whatever, and then we'll like

662
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: just sit there like zombies and it's like, oh, this

663
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: is terrible. I gotta do better than this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So three of the responsibilities I have around the house

666
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: are to get the boys into sports, music, and movies.

667
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, and I'm having some success. This gives you a

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Speaker 1: sense of what kind of dad I am, where it's

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Speaker 1: like take them to games, push them to get out

671
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: and run around, even though it's funny is in this

672
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: day and age. When you and I were growing up,

673
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: going to a movie was like this like awesome escape

674
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Speaker 1: and treat total Right now as a parent where like

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Speaker 1: I'm just glad my kids can sit through a ninety

676
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: minute long form narrative. This is like an improvement, Yeah

677
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like instead of being the treat,

678
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: it's like the nourishment, which is right, you know, kind

679
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: of a dark sign of where we are. But you

680
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Speaker 1: know I am. I'm more in touch with pop culture

681
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Speaker 1: and what's going on out there than Evelyn by a mile.

682
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Speaker 1: Or I'll be like, ooh, you know, Bad Guys two

683
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: is coming out. Kids say bad Guys whatever, like, So

684
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Speaker 1: that's one of my jobs. Gives it, that gives you

685
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Speaker 1: a sense of it.

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Speaker 3: Well.

687
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Speaker 2: And Jonathan Haye, who you know, has talked about how

688
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 2: movies are an antidote for the social media and screen

689
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 2: time and devices that have captured our kids because they

690
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: do force a longer you know, they force a longer

691
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Speaker 2: attention span. They're an escape into something narrative and not

692
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Speaker 2: just like a five minute YouTube video of a kid

693
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Speaker 2: unboxing a toy or playing another video game and so

694
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: where it's such a funny switch where you know, maybe

695
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Speaker 2: our parents or our parents' parents would have.

696
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Speaker 3: Said, oh, get off that that TV.

697
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Speaker 2: Is gonna wratch your brain, or those movies are going

698
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: to you know, that's all you do is just watch movies. Now,

699
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Speaker 2: you know, I think we should encourage our kids to

700
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Speaker 2: escape into movies that actually feels like the more safe experience,

701
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Speaker 2: and that's kind of backed up by science.

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, there's characters as a narrative. Maybe there's even

703
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Speaker 1: a moral or two, so you know, like I see

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Speaker 1: that as.

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Speaker 3: A mild wind at this point, exactly exactly, like, yes, exactly,

706
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Speaker 3: it's so wild.

707
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Speaker 2: But I think we both have children on the spectrum,

708
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Speaker 2: is that right?

709
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, my older son, Yes, I do as well.

710
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Speaker 2: Talk about how that's informed your parenting worldview, Well, I.

711
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: See, it's funny there's like a notion of like an

712
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Speaker 1: Asian tiger parent or whatnot, and I personally like let

713
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Speaker 1: all that go. When our son was diagnosed with autism,

714
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Speaker 1: where it then just becomes about like are they going

715
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Speaker 1: to be happy like all stable independent, you know, like

716
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Speaker 1: whether it become an ass kicker in certain dimensions, like

717
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: it's irrelevant, right, And so in a way that's been

718
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: very healthy in a way, maybe I've let it, like,

719
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: you know, slide too much where it's like, ah, you know,

720
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Speaker 1: as long as they're they're happy and fine. So I

721
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Speaker 1: think that that's been an adaptation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the accomplishments shift.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not really that much of a tiger parent

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Speaker 1: that way at all. You know, Like I talked to

725
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Speaker 1: my brother and other relatives and they sort of imagine

726
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Speaker 1: that their kids are going to achieve some of the

727
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Speaker 1: same things that they achieved or whatnot, and I don't,

728
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Speaker 1: I mean again necessarily like better or for worse. I'm

729
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: just like.

730
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Speaker 3: Shrug, same Sam.

731
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Speaker 2: And in fact, there are parts of what I do

732
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Speaker 2: that I really hope my son never gets curious about, honestly,

733
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 2: like with boys and conspiracy theories and the way that

734
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Speaker 2: some of politics is capturing our boys. Like I hope

735
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Speaker 2: he never gets into it, which is really sad. But

736
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Speaker 2: I just see it as a path to destruction.

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Speaker 1: I know. I mean it's much more noxious than when

738
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Speaker 1: you and I were touring on I mean, every once

739
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Speaker 1: in a while someone says like, do you think your

740
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Speaker 1: kids are going to find your footsteps? And I was like,

741
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Speaker 1: I really don't think so, and help, Yeah, yeah, that's

742
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: how you want they do. I hope you run for president,

743
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Speaker 1: like the you know Yang.

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Speaker 3: Dyna, Well, I want to talk about that.

745
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Speaker 2: What kind of conversations were you having with your family

746
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Speaker 2: when you're thinking about running for president?

747
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Speaker 1: Well, back then, my kids were oblivious and like, I'm

748
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: going to do some chronology. Hang on. So at that

749
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Speaker 1: point there were six and three, and the six year

750
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Speaker 1: old was autistic, so you know, he might as well

751
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Speaker 1: have been.

752
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Speaker 3: Three kind of care less. Yeah, exactly.

753
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Speaker 1: So I joke that back then they were potatoes. Yeah,

754
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Speaker 1: you know, you throw the potatoes on the bus. It's fine.

755
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: It's different now. I like that they have much more awareness.

756
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Speaker 3: Sure, but what about with your wife, Like that's a

757
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 3: conversation to have with your wife.

758
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So when I talk to my wife about it,

759
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Speaker 1: The funny thing is, I don't think she took it

760
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Speaker 1: that seriously. At first. She treated it as like, I

761
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Speaker 1: think I like her anarial lark or something along those lines.

762
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Speaker 1: One joke in our household was like, call me when

763
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Speaker 1: you get to three percent. But you did, but you did,

764
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Speaker 1: but I did, And then that point she came out

765
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Speaker 1: on the track.

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Speaker 3: I would have been sad if it had not happened but

767
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Speaker 3: you did.

768
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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair is fair. But it was funny I hit

769
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Speaker 1: three percent that she started coming out. I was like, oh,

770
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Speaker 1: you know, like deal's a deal. But there was like

771
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Speaker 1: a long period of time when like I would disappear

772
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Speaker 1: and be on the road for you know, like most

773
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Speaker 1: of the week and then just reappear, and she put

774
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: up with a lot. But that was not that unfamiliar,

775
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: and that prior to running for president, I was an

776
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Speaker 1: entrepreneur that ran an organization called Venture for America, which

777
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: required me to travel a lot. So like instead of

778
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: going to Detroit and Birmingham, I was going to New

779
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: Hampshire and Iowa. Right in a way, it was like

780
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Speaker 1: a familiar lifestyle.

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Speaker 3: Don't take this the wrong way.

782
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 2: Where do you get the confidence to think, with no

783
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Speaker 2: experience in elected politics, I think I'll run for president

784
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: of the United States? And I would ask this of

785
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: anyone who ran for president. I just where do you

786
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 2: get the thought that, like I could run this country?

787
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: Sure? Part of it was meeting Barack Obama, George W. Bush,

788
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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton and thinking these guys are not otherworldly in

789
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 1: any way. These guys are just dudes. I mean, you've

790
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: met a lot of these folks too, and so that

791
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: there's like no any mystery.

792
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Speaker 3: There's guys.

793
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just guys. Like I met dozens of senators, governors, entrepreneurs,

794
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: ex presidents or whatnot, and I thought I could do

795
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Speaker 1: as good a better job than them. And so then

796
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Speaker 1: it's like and I feel that right now. It's like

797
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: you asked me, like, hey, Andrew, do you think you'd

798
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Speaker 1: be a better president Donald Trump? Hell? Yeah, you know,

799
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: like yes, do I think I would have done a

800
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: better job than Joe Biden? Like I certainly would have

801
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: gone the f out of the way if my polling

802
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: was in the toilet like it was, you know, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, you know at eighty one, Like I'm like,

804
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: it's not about me, it's about the country. So yeah,

805
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: I still have that confidence, see in the sense like

806
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: I would do better job these guys. But in a way,

807
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: I mean I could say that about dozens of people

808
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: that you and I both know. It's like like that

809
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: I would also do like she would do a better job. Right,

810
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: In many ways, what you're asking is like who the

811
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: heck would have the confidence to raise their hand and

812
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: try and push themselves forward into this crucible of modern politics.

813
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: And like the rest of them expect people to actually

814
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Speaker 1: take an interest or get behind one.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it sounds crazy to me, and.

816
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Speaker 1: That part, I'll admit, you know, like that part somewhat rash.

817
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: I have some funny stories in my book about how

818
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Speaker 1: we'd go to a school event and I would try

819
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: and avoid questions about what I did, because if I

820
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: were to say, like, I'm a presidential candidate, they like

821
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Speaker 1: it started this whole long, bizarre conversation and then you know,

822
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Speaker 1: and I'd seem like the crazy person. And at the

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Speaker 1: end of the conversation they were never like, oh, let

824
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Speaker 1: me support you. It was like, oh, that's that's nice,

825
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: like and then go on. I'd be like, oh, I

826
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: just got to like pretend I do something else for

827
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Speaker 1: a living.

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Speaker 3: That is wild.

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Speaker 2: Andrew, I've never thought of that because usually typically typically

830
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Speaker 2: if you're running for presidents, because you're like a senator,

831
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Speaker 2: a congressator, a governor, right, so you don't have to

832
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Speaker 2: explain I'm a polic titian. But from where you started,

833
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: you're just at a school function.

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Speaker 3: And so it's like, what do you do.

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Speaker 2: You know Ben's dad or whatever, and you're like, well,

836
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Speaker 2: running for president, I have never thought about how weird

837
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Speaker 2: that must have been.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like the random Asian dad at the

839
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Speaker 1: school event being like I'm a presidential candidate like that,

840
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: Like so what do you do? Yeah? I know, so

841
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: like that that was like very very odd and awkward.

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Speaker 3: So like that's like a year of that.

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00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that in and of itself would will be

844
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Speaker 2: great book book material.

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Speaker 3: Will you run again? Do you think I know you

846
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 3: ran for may or? Will you run again?

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Speaker 1: I'm too young not to run again at some point,

848
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I used to have a

849
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: joke where it's like, you know, I'll just wait for

850
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: thirty years until I become age appropriate. But maybe that

851
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: joke isn't right, you know, as on point now that

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Speaker 1: we don't have the Battle of the octogenarians, but we

853
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: might who knows. So uh, I'm sure I'll run again.

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00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: I mean, the problems are getting harrier and and I'll

855
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: tell you like another startup SA, it's like when do

856
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: you when do they make the Asian guy the CEO

857
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 1: when no one else wants the job?

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Speaker 4: So we're only like you know, X years away.

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Speaker 2: Okay, before we go to the lightning round, I want

860
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Speaker 2: to talk about something you mentioned I know it's important

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Speaker 2: to you, and that's and that's mental health and social media,

862
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Speaker 2: and that's why you started Noble Mobile. It's super important

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Speaker 2: to me too, as our listeners know. I've been really

864
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Speaker 2: open about my mental health and the role that the

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Speaker 2: news and social media and my phone plays in contributing

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Speaker 2: to my anxiety. So tell us more about Noble Mobile

867
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Speaker 2: and how it works.

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Speaker 1: So Hasan Minhaj called our smartphones our rectangles of sadness.

869
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Speaker 1: And if you think about it, a lot of the

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00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: negative emotions you feel throughout the day are from your phone.

871
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: It's unlikely that your neighbor actually ran up to you

872
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 1: and screened in your face, but you think that someone

873
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: did you feel like that because you saw someone at

874
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: somebody or maybe you know saying something mean to you.

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Speaker 1: So there are two reasons why Americans are sad. There

876
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Speaker 1: may be more, I mean we identified some, but two

877
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: big ones. Number one, we're not saving enough money, because

878
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: you feel better when the money is like growing, and

879
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: you feel worse when the walls are closing in. And

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00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: number two, we spend too much time staring at our phone,

881
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: being manipulated by the algorithm and profited off of by

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Speaker 1: the tech companies. So Noble Mobile tries to address both

883
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: of these because we will lower your cell phone bill

884
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: by fifty percent in most and we will cut your

885
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: screen time by being your friend that wants to pay

886
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: you money to log off and early Noble Mobile users

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Speaker 1: And we're only in month two, so like you know,

888
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: it's early days, but early adopters are using their smartphone

889
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: seventeen percent less in month two than month one. Wow,

890
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Speaker 1: So that's you know, like hasn't been through like academic

891
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 1: rigor or whatever, but it's just like the numbers we have. Yeah,

892
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Speaker 1: And so Noble Mobile is like the good guy, values

893
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: driven wireless carrier that's going to try and make you

894
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: mentally healthier in two ways. Log off, touch grass, look up,

895
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: look at your family's spaces, and two will become a

896
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: set it and forget it savings plan that pays you

897
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: five and a half percent interest on any of the

898
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: cash back and savings, so you feel like you've got

899
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Speaker 1: a little cash stash that's growing instead of extracting. And

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00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 1: it's good fun, Like it's awesome building this business because

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00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: it's a thing we use every day.

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00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can't put the tech toothpaste back in

903
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 2: the tube, right, it's here, and you know, maybe you

904
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Speaker 2: can delay your kids from getting a smartphone, and but

905
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 2: the technologies here, it's creeping in. It's it's school, right.

906
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: I mean they're on chromebooks and stuff at school. And

907
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 2: and you know, my kid plays a math game on

908
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: his chromebook at home that school gave him.

909
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 3: You know, it's a video game.

910
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't even get rid of the device because

911
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: it's like, I got to use this for my homework,

912
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: and you know you can't.

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Speaker 2: So I love that you're you're using existing technology that

914
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: is just sort of an inevitable extension of our lives,

915
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Speaker 2: but making it friendlier, safer for everyone to use.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

917
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, like better value, better values, and build your retirement savings.

918
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Speaker 1: And I was with a woman named Lauren Benton who

919
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Speaker 1: runs like a partner company, and she said, like, this

920
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Speaker 1: is a down payment on American's retirement. I was like,

921
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Speaker 1: what do you mean? And then we ran the numbers

922
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Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my gosh, he's right. Like

923
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Speaker 1: if you look at yeah, if you look at fifty

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Speaker 1: bucks a month times twelve times, you know, like whatever

925
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Speaker 1: the number of years is like, and then stick a

926
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Speaker 1: reasonable interest rate on it like you're looking at like,

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Speaker 1: you know, tens of.

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Speaker 3: Thousands of dollars real money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know it because again, these big telcos

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Speaker 1: are paying twenty billion in dividends every year, so you

931
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Speaker 1: imagine like twenty billion heading to our retirement account. I

932
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Speaker 1: mean it's real money.

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Speaker 3: Very cool.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well this was fun. I want to end with

935
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Speaker 2: a lightning round. Have you ever been asked to be

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Speaker 2: a shark on Shark Tank?

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I just had that producer talked to

938
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Speaker 1: me last week.

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Speaker 3: No way, Yeah, well you should do it. Are you

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Speaker 3: going to do it?

941
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Speaker 1: Maybe? Yeah? Like that, you know, I'm supposed to visit

942
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Speaker 1: the set and whatnot.

943
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Speaker 3: What would your shark style be?

944
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Speaker 1: Like? I might be too nice? I might. I might

945
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Speaker 1: always be like, who's like, like, Barbara Corkran's the nice one.

946
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Speaker 3: I would be like, yeah, Barbara and Laurie are really nice.

947
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be the nice one. I'd want to help everyone.

948
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Speaker 3: Yeah right, yes, Kevin, we know who. Kevin will be

949
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Speaker 3: the mean one. Mark can be a little direct as well.

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Speaker 3: I love Mark too, But I love Shark Tank and

951
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: it's really good.

952
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you watch it with your kids,

953
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Speaker 2: but it's gonna be really good, family friendly television.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's excellent. I'd be proud to be a

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Speaker 1: part of it. I also was asked to be on

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Speaker 1: The Masked Singer a long time ago, like four years

957
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Speaker 1: ago now, and I have no idea why, because like,

958
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: I'm not like an awesome singer or anything, but so

959
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Speaker 1: it would have been so random.

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Speaker 3: Amazing, amazing. What are you watching on TV right now?

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Speaker 1: Evelyn and I like to watch these drama shows. So

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Speaker 1: we we finished Task on HBO Max, which we enjoyed,

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Speaker 1: and then we went back and watched Mayor of Eastown

964
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Speaker 1: because it was the same same guy. Okay, we and

965
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Speaker 1: then we watched like this salacious one on Prime. It

966
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Speaker 1: was like The Girlfriend, which he loved. On Netflix it

967
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Speaker 1: was Sirens. It's like, if you have these upscale dramas

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Speaker 1: on like nice Beaches or whatnot. Yes, White Lotus obviously

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Speaker 1: watched White Lotus sort of like White Lotus adjacent stuff.

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Speaker 3: Got it? I suppose pretty places, pretty people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're simple, we're simple adults. We're simple consumers.

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Speaker 1: I think I should shout out to Warner Brothers since

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Who knows anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty, I did a round up of the

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Speaker 2: presidential candidate's favorite snacks on the campaign trail, based on

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Speaker 2: a package that The New York Times did, and I

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Speaker 2: made one of yours, Andrew, because you said that your

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Speaker 2: comfort food on the trail was kind bars.

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Speaker 3: Are kind bars really comfort food or did you just

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Speaker 3: say that.

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Speaker 1: They were my comfort food on the trail because you

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Speaker 1: gain weight on the trail. You're always in a rental vehicle,

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Speaker 1: and you know, and the kind bars, by the way,

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Speaker 1: like some of them were like chocolate covered and the

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Speaker 1: rest of it. I'm friends with Daniel Lubaskie who's now

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Speaker 1: on Shark.

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Speaker 3: Tank, so oh I've seen, yeah, yeah, I've seen.

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Speaker 1: So that was one. Also thing that's like, yeah, I

991
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Speaker 1: might as well like, you know, shout out to my

992
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Speaker 1: friends company, though I did consume them all the time.

993
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: Another comfort food that might have made it into the

994
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Speaker 1: package was skinny pop. Like I like skinny pop is

995
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Speaker 1: also you know, like not as bad for you.

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Speaker 2: We've got to work on your comfort foods, Andrew. If

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Speaker 2: you're gonna run again, we need to work on these

998
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Speaker 2: comfort foods.

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Speaker 1: If you're looking at this stuff that's just like out

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Speaker 1: and out, like you know, comfort comfort food be like

1001
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: Dorito's and lace potato chips. There you go and there

1002
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Speaker 1: we go. And the thing is the Doritos and laced

1003
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Speaker 1: potato chips. I like them together. So sometimes I'll like

1004
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Speaker 1: buy guys of each and them like put them together

1005
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: into like a little like like layer a bite.

1006
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Speaker 3: I do the same thing. I call it a chip salad.

1007
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 3: Yeah it's a chip salad.

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Speaker 1: Yum.

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Speaker 3: I do the same thing.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, we need just okay, if you're gonna run again,

1011
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: we need comfort food to be like burger pizza, chicken wings,

1012
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 2: not health food. I'm just telling you, if I'm your

1013
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 2: campaign manager, it's the first thing we're changing done.

1014
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean when I was in Iowa, I went

1015
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: to a pizza ranch all the time. It's just pizza

1016
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: and fried chicken all the livelong day.

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Speaker 2: What's been the most important innovation of the twenty first century.

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00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: Now, you'd say AI, and that's important. I'm not going

1019
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: to say whether you know, like it's net net positive negative, neutral,

1020
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: but it's the most important.

1021
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 3: My next question.

1022
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Speaker 2: Is how will the benefits of AI net out against

1023
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: the dangers of AI will be like fifty to fifty

1024
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Speaker 2: or seventy four.

1025
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Speaker 3: You just like went right there.

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Speaker 1: Wow, like yangstra damis. I saw the question coming.

1027
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Speaker 2: No, so what do you think, like, how do you

1028
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: think that's going to net out? Because I'm not an

1029
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 2: AI hater, but I'm also not like an apologist who

1030
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Speaker 2: thinks that everything is going to be fine.

1031
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Speaker 3: There's going to be some problems with this. But how

1032
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 3: do you think it'll net out?

1033
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: I think it would depend upon our government's response and approach.

1034
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Speaker 1: I think in the lack of any meaningful government response approach,

1035
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: there are going to be a lot of negative effects

1036
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: that are felt and we're seeing some.

1037
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 3: So you think government regulation is going to be key

1038
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 3: to this?

1039
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 1: I think government response. I mean one of the things

1040
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Speaker 1: I ran on was universal based income, which is look,

1041
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: these companies are now multi trillion dollar companies and unless

1042
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: you bought Nvidia stock, like you know years ago, you know,

1043
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: you don't feel like you're benefiting necessarily, but you might

1044
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: feel like your job's going to get eliminated, which is

1045
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: totally true. So you know, if the government was more proactive,

1046
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: it'd be like, hey, here's a compute tax, here's like

1047
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 1: like an AI tax essentially, and we're going to take

1048
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: that we're going to like spread it to, you spread

1049
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: it to, you give it to. You know who's getting

1050
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: really kicked to the curb right now? Recent college graduates.

1051
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: You know, like there should be like a giant tax

1052
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: subsidy to employ twenty two to twenty four.

1053
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 3: They cannot get jobs.

1054
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, they can't get jobs. And so like absent any

1055
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: government activity, I think it's gonna make us very very sad.

1056
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 3: Okay, what's your guilty pleasure?

1057
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: Some of the TV we just you know, ice cream, definitely.

1058
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Speaker 1: I love me some ice cream.

1059
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 3: Okad, what's your favorite?

1060
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: I like min chocolate Chip a lot. If you want

1061
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: to talk variety. This is funny. And I'm friends with

1062
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: this entrepreneur to Jenny's ice Cream right now. Yeah, like

1063
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Speaker 1: right now, I've got a friend. For my birth they

1064
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Speaker 1: got me like an ice cream of the Month club

1065
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: where it's just getting mailed to me every month. I

1066
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: gotta say, I'm like a kid where I'm like what

1067
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: flavors are going to because you don't know what flavors it's

1068
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: going to be. Yeah, and so you open and it's

1069
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: not even just one flavor, it's four. I mean, this

1070
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 1: is like, in some ways the best and worst gift

1071
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: anyone has gotten me, because you know, I don't need

1072
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: that much extra ice cream in my life, but but

1073
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: I'm like loving it in the sense that it goes

1074
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: up and it's super delightful. So if you want to

1075
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: give someone the best worst gift ever, you can look

1076
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: into Jenny's. That's j e ni Apostrophe as ice cream

1077
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: of the month.

1078
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Speaker 3: Yep, Jenny's is great. I've had Jenny's. What was your

1079
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 3: worst vacation?

1080
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: We went to the Philippines, like Evelyn and I did

1081
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: not love. There were soldiers with automatic rifles everywhere. And

1082
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Speaker 1: then we did something that I regret to this day.

1083
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: We ordered turtle soup because it was on the menu

1084
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: and we're like, wow, Philippines do it, and it was

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Speaker 1: it was like a dead upside down turtle in like

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Speaker 1: a bowl of water and we're like what, like I

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Speaker 1: don't even know what to do. And that was little.

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Speaker 1: I was like, turtle soup. It's like, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: once in a little like you know once in a

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Speaker 1: lifetime when in Rome zero in a lifetime. It was

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Speaker 1: so stupid. So did not love that vacation. Sorry Philippines.

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Speaker 1: I maybe I went to the wrong place.

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Speaker 3: Whatever I'm an adventurous eater. I don't know that I

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Speaker 3: could do that.

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Speaker 1: You would not have loved. Like, I consider myself pretty

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Speaker 1: open minded too. But then like if I just had

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Speaker 1: like a dead turtle upside down in a hot water,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's really what I was looking at.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't sound great. Okay, this is the last question

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Speaker 3: we ask it at.

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Speaker 2: The end of every pot. It's very important to me.

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Speaker 2: It's important to me culturally and spiritually. When is it

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Speaker 2: iced coffee season all the time?

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Speaker 3: Card answer? It's a great answer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, trick question we about, yes, but you wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't believe how many people get it wrong.

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Speaker 1: Andrew, Well, they definitely get it wrong. They get it wrong,

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Speaker 1: but not you.

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Speaker 2: This is how I know you're going to be president

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Speaker 2: one day. We got to get you off the cone bars.

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Speaker 3: But the coffee, ice coffee year round, that's a winner.

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Speaker 3: That's a winning platform.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go thousand bucks a month, ice coffee aire,

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Speaker 1: some other good stuff, Jenny's ice cream for all. You know.

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Speaker 1: I actually actually said that to Dean when we was running.

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Speaker 1: I was like, Dean, you's just become the gelato guy,

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Speaker 1: because you know, he was like a yeah, I just

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Speaker 1: give everyone like universal basic gelato. But it was winter

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Speaker 1: in New Hampshire. It might have been a dumb idea,

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Speaker 1: but right at least.

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Speaker 3: It's a hook something. Well, Andrew Yang, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: This was a great conversation.

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Speaker 2: And uh, I think you're doing great things and I

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Speaker 2: love hearing you talk about politics.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you. If anyone wants to, I have a substack.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. Thanks Andrew. I'll see you around. Uh, I'll see

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