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Speaker 1: It's now time for Cannabis Talk one oh one with Blue,

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Speaker 1: Joe Grande and Marking, Craig Wasserman, the Pot Brothers at Law.

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Speaker 1: We're the world's number one podcast for everything cannabis. Hello

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Cannabis Talk one oh one. My name

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Speaker 1: is Blue. Alongside of me is the world famous Craig

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Speaker 1: Washerman and Mr Joe Grande and you're now tuned into

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Speaker 1: the greatest cannabis show in the country, at least the

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Speaker 1: galaxy in my book, all over everything. I just think

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Speaker 1: it's the best anyway. And missing in action today is

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Speaker 1: Mark Wasserman San Diego judge. What's going on? Actually actually

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Speaker 1: called by the court. Well, he should be in here.

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Speaker 1: It's probably gonna run up here very may well he

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Speaker 1: it could take two hours. I know those. So it

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Speaker 1: was Joe tell us what's going down on Cannabis Talk

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Speaker 1: say hello to us. But on today's show we actually

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Speaker 1: have Ben Larson, the CEO of RTOSA and Austin Stevenson,

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Speaker 1: the Chief innovative Officer at VTOSA as well a cannabis

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Speaker 1: and hemp infused company. We want to thank Evelyn Laschappelle

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember Evelyn, but she

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Speaker 1: did a little time for a little crime back in

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Speaker 1: the day, and these guys at Rotosa said, you know what,

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Speaker 1: us a little bit about it, Ben, Yeah, you bet,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having us. You guys are who um So

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Speaker 1: So that's what we've been doing for the last couple

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Speaker 1: hemp plant. And so the DA did identify delta eight

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Speaker 1: UM you know t C. Any form of TC in

428
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Speaker 1: fact um that is synthesized from the hemp plant would

429
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: be determ as a as a schedule one truck UM.

430
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 1: So that is crazy. That the political answer right now,

431
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: No one's blinking. No people. People are certainly asking us

432
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: if we will do it for them. Well, we'll just

433
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 1: leave it there. What's the answer. I'm going to have

434
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: a question for you guys after the show as well. Joe,

435
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: thank you. You know. Actually I was going to ask

436
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 1: though about water soluble that I just I just actually

437
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: stumbled onto some c HB c b D product soluble

438
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: right now, and I started reading more about water soluble

439
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 1: and UM, I mean, i'd like the product that I got.

440
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find more of it. It's hard to

441
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: find water soluble cb D hemp derived CBD products UM

442
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:52,199
Speaker 1: out there. Do you know? Is that something that's fairly new? Um? Well,

443
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: so there's two answers. So essentially that is our wheelhouse.

444
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: That is what we do um. The technical answer is

445
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: that it's not really water soluble. Um. And so there's

446
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of a science lesson here. When when

447
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: we're encapsulating an oil droplet into an emulsion, we're making

448
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 1: a water dispersable or water stable. Um. It's an actual suspension.

449
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: So you have these little oil droplets that are enrobed

450
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: in the emulsion and they're kind of floating around in

451
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: a water solution, right. Um. That is different than true

452
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: water solubility, where there's an actual chemical bond that is

453
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: created and it's actually becomes a different type of chemical solution. UM.

454
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: So apparently there's a difference. We take a little bit

455
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: of offense, you know. We we know it's easier to

456
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: understand by the general public, like if you just say

457
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: water soluble this, But you know, as scientists do draw

458
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: the line, um, because we like people to talk about

459
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 1: their products in the real terms and we don't like

460
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: them to sell what it isn't right. Um. But that said,

461
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: if we're using water solubility as in Layman's terms, um,

462
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: there are more and more products that are hitting in

463
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: the mark it. And what you will find is the

464
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: these oils that are emulsified in turned quote unquote water soluble. Um,

465
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: that they will be faster acting, that your body can

466
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: process them faster because the oil droplets are split up

467
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: into little sphears, and it allows the body to process

468
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: them and get them into the bloodstream faster. And that's

469
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: why they generally create a better experience. That's why people

470
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: are really loving these these beverages or the gummies that

471
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: were infusing creating a faster product. Do you work with

472
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 1: people who do textures for CBD and they call I mean,

473
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: is that something you work with somebody saying what you

474
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: shouldn't The package shouldn't say water soluble. What should it say?

475
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: Really the package should be marketable, and so I could

476
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: have packages that they wrap it on set fast acting, Um,

477
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: you know water it's probably it's probably why I didn't

478
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 1: I didn't get a lot of hits on Google for

479
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: water soluble. I got a very very few because it's probably,

480
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: like you said, it's not really water soluble, so people

481
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: aren't using that term. That's why it didn't come up. Um.

482
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: So I had read about it being faster acting and

483
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff and a little better tasting

484
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: and and and that. So that's interesting. Off to put

485
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: in fast acting instead of water soluble. Is that's what

486
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: we're talking about. Is that nano technology? Because I always

487
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: here that too, and I didn't hear you guys really

488
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: dive into that. Is that what we're saying though apparently Yeah,

489
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: I mean you guys are both right. I mean it

490
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: all comes down to and I think there's a responsibility

491
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: and the opportunity here in the cannabis world is to

492
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: educate consumers. So as operators and manufacturers, we're already trying

493
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: to overcome a lot of stigma around cannabis that's gone

494
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: on for for for decades and we all know the

495
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: reasons why, and so now it becomes an opportunity to

496
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,959
Speaker 1: educate people on what this plant is going to do

497
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: for you and what the technologies are going to do

498
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: to help differentiate your product UM. And so when it's

499
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: comes to marketing, it's like, all right, well, sell and

500
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: drive towards the key words UM and and our technologies

501
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: we do use emole gens, create nano emoliens and micro

502
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: emolgiens then inherently make the products that we infuse faster acting,

503
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: a rapid onset, more bio available, and the process that

504
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: we do it UH is through energy or pressure, and

505
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: so nanotechnology has been used in food, UH food and

506
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: supplement systems for many, many years. And as Ben was

507
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: alluding to, our founder and chief Science Officer, Dr Harold

508
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: Han was taking this technology from existing food and bev

509
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: and bringing it to cannabis. And the reasons why is

510
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: because everybody here on this chat and the audience that

511
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: have tried cannabis and an adjustable has probably had that

512
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: brownie or that co experience where they ate the brownie.

513
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: It tasted good, but they didn't feel anything for half

514
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: an hour, an hour, then they ate more of that

515
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: brownie and then oh it's delicious, and then it's like boom,

516
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: all of a sudden too hours later on the floor. Yeah,

517
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: I did, because it's unpredictable. It was like eight years ago.

518
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: He woke up with his brother's pajamas. I believe it.

519
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it's happened to me, you know. And I

520
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: was at Columbia. You know. It was a big old

521
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: snowstorm and we didn't have the cafeteria was closed, we

522
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: didn't have anything. This is fifteen years ago, UH, and

523
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 1: the only thing we had was cannabis brownies and I

524
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: ate those I mean that was lights out for forty

525
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: eight hours. That's another story. But the reason why you

526
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: have that slow onset is because your body has got

527
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: to metabolize that oil. It's got a process um, and

528
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: everyone's metabolic rates a little bit different. So what we

529
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 1: do at FORTSA as we speed that up, we use

530
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: energy or pressure to turn that oil into something really

531
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: really small UM. And so the analogy that I typically

532
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: give is, look for you to feel cannabis, you gotta

533
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: get it past your brain blood barrier. So if you

534
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: look at your brain blood barrier as a chain length fin,

535
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: taking a traditional oil or traditional tincture is like taking

536
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: a big old beach ball and trying to put it

537
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: through the chain length fin. It's gonna bounce back every

538
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: single time until it metabolizes and breaks down and then

539
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: it's absorbed. So we do all that for you. UM.

540
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: We take the cannabis oils, we take it through some

541
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: instrumentation and some ingredients, and we turn that beach ball

542
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: into a pile of gravel. And so when you take

543
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: a handful of gravel and you throw that through the

544
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: chain link fence, it's all gonna go through. And so

545
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: that's why you see those words in the marketplace, like sublingual,

546
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: because you can take our products. You can set mad

547
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: lily or that PBR on your death, let it absorb

548
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: in your mouth and you'll start to feel an experience

549
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: in ten fifteen a minute because it's really really small

550
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: and you don't need to rely on your digestive system

551
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: to absorb the abenoid. Instead, we've made it more bioavailable,

552
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: fast acting. That was a great analogy. That was Austin

553
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: Stevenson for tosa's Chief innovative officer. I don't care Ben Larson,

554
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: the CEO, what you said about him before we got

555
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: on the show. He's not a dummy. Yeah, I mean

556
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: this cat right there, he's as good as it gets.

557
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: But this was amazing to hear. And I'm so curious

558
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: as you guys have mentioned the scientists that the chemistry

559
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: about it. Do you guys get offended when people say

560
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: the water celluble the things that it isn't because as

561
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: you just mentioned, Austin, it's so Elaborateum, what you're saying

562
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: on how do you guys use this? I feel like

563
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: it'd be hard to market kind of what you're saying

564
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: without using analogies of the you know, beach ball to gravel.

565
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: I mean things that are just simple common sense. As

566
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: you walked me through that, I fully understood that. But

567
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: when you create you know, it was on, it was on.

568
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: I already had a drink right now. Sorry, I mean, now,

569
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: let me ask you this for for me my elfen

570
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: listeners who who are getting into CBD for different reasons.

571
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: If it says something literally it says water soluble on

572
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: the on the tincture bottle, is that maybe a red

573
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: flag that, Yeah, these guys are pushing the envelope because

574
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: you know, you have that other issue of you know,

575
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: is this real hemp I mean, you know it's not

576
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: going through any testing that you're aware of other than

577
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: the c O A s that that make up the

578
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: hemp um. Is there any red flag or just if

579
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: they're just using that word because it sounds good for now,

580
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: until someone slapped him with an FDA complaint or false advertising,

581
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: because that's to me from how you just told me,

582
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: that's what I feel like advertising. Yeah, I mean it's look,

583
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: at the end of the day kind of goes back

584
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: to what Austin was talking about, what like what's marketable

585
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: right now? And and and you know, frankly, it is

586
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: easier to explain and understand if you just call it

587
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: water soluble. And to the lay person, if you take

588
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: a dropper fall that put it into water, it's gonna

589
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: disperse and it'll look like it's water soluble. So you know,

590
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: at the end of the day to it, but it's

591
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: not a massive We'll see what we actually take offense

592
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: to our our products on the on the market that

593
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: don't provide the efficacy that they advertise, right, and so

594
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: talking about water solubility is not necessarily going to do that.

595
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: What does do that is saying this product has ten

596
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: milligrams and if you consume it, you're gonna consume ten milligrams.

597
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: And as you've seen in the news, a bunch of

598
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: products were taking off the shelves and analyzed and some

599
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: of them had maybe thirty of what was labeled or

600
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: maybe even zero percent. And that is what we take

601
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: offense to, and that's what we've been fighting against. And

602
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: so you know, we actually discovered that over a year

603
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: ago and we ran ahead and said, how do we start.

604
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: We're not going to put these people on blast. It's

605
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: not our job to like destroy other companies. What we're

606
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: gonna right, but give a few right now, man, go ahead,

607
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: tell us a couple. But what we did do is like,

608
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: how do we people create better products and how do

609
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: we skate ahead and solve these problems for people. So

610
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: that's when we teamed up with companies like PPG to

611
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: understand can liners and and and absorption into can liners.

612
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: We solve those problems, help put people into cans, and

613
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: that's why you have a PBR can on your desk

614
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: right be. We teamed up with companies like pen Color

615
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: and Husky to identify pet bottles and an absorption of

616
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: cannabinoids into those so that we can help create better

617
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: products on the market, so that when you consume a

618
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: ten milligram beverage that you're getting ten milligrams into your system.

619
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 1: That's uh where we put a lot of our focus.

620
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: What is the timeline though? I want to do it? Give?

621
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: Is it two months? Is it two weeks? Is it two?

622
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: I mean that that's really up to you, uh, and

623
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: and how quickly you can create a product that's up

624
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: to your standard? Right. Um. We have had sales cycles

625
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: that have been less than a month, and we've had

626
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: sales cycles that have been a year and a half. Um.

627
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: And that's just part of being in an emerging market.

628
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: That's part of dealing with early stage startups versus multinational brands. Um.

629
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: But it's really up to you, um, and and how

630
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: you are going to deliver a promise to your consumer.

631
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: How long did Blue Ribbon take? That took? Uh perhaps

632
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 1: blue Ribbon that uh, that's about a year, um. Yeah.

633
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: And the typical I mean the typical CpG you know

634
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: that development is twelve to eighteen months, um, you know,

635
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: and so it goes right there at twelve months, and

636
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: it's very it's very you know, specific to the taste profiles.

637
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: When it comes to beverages, you know, beverages are something

638
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: really tricky because everyone's got an opinion, and so you

639
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: want to design something not for your consumer, not necessarily yourself. Um.

640
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: And so when you kind of go through this product

641
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: development process. PBR did a great job, kaz In and

642
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: Matt really did a great job of like really gathering

643
00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: consumers and get doing consumer surveys, getting feedback from them,

644
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: and that takes time. I mean you gotta round up

645
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 1: you know, hundred two hundred thousand people, get a bunch

646
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: of feedback and keep continuing to reiterate and change the flavor.

647
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: Profile like it, Yeah, I like it. It's good. Screw everybody.

648
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm not spending that money on everybody else's opinions. Man,

649
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: But I can tell you what I mean. You know,

650
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: if you don't want to, you're probably like me and Joe.

651
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: It's like opinions. You know, they're like gay holes. Everyone

652
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: has them and they all state you're thinking of Austin.

653
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: I've seen it, you know it. I mean, it can

654
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: take it can take as quick as you know, four

655
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: to six weeks um typically in the process, you know,

656
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: compliantly getting through you know, all of the right regulations

657
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: and hurdles there, or it can take as long as

658
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, six to twelve months, eighteen months and just

659
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: send it to the packer and poop they go to

660
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: work and it's done. Yeah. I'd say the biggest, the

661
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: best bottle neck you know right now in cannabis and

662
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: hemp is co manufacturing services. There's just not enough and

663
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, and people's line they call on the line,

664
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: they get filled up. So the thing they can slow

665
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: you down is not having a co manufacturer not to

666
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 1: you because they're filled up at what stage do these products.

667
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 1: Products get tested, so they get tested a few different

668
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: stages in the supply chain. UM. It's really great coming

669
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: from the third party animals a chemistry background. You know,

670
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: you test the flower um and then the flower gets extracted,

671
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: and then you test the extract um, and then we

672
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: test c O A from the extracts and then that's

673
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: how we formulate our emosion. So then we test the

674
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: emosion UH, and then we send that c O A

675
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: to the co manufacturer. They'll use that c A to

676
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: batch all the ingredients and a beverage or in a

677
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: gummy and then they'll finish the production and then they'll

678
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: test that finished that finished products they should before it

679
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,280
Speaker 1: goes to the distributor, and then the distributor has to tested.

680
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: In many instances, Yeah, in many instances they'll just build.

681
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: They'll tested for verification purposes. Have you had any issues

682
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: with testing going bad and UH and just killing batches

683
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 1: and up the up the chain at all. Yeah. Seeing

684
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of different nuances and testing

685
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: UM number one is not consistent UM, and so that's

686
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: become a really a lot of clients are complaining about that.

687
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: Very inconsistent coming from the animals of chemistry background. I

688
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: know it really comes down to methods UM, how you

689
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: test a specific product. The way that you prepare a

690
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: testing sample for flower is very different than the way

691
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: you test a sample for a beverage. In every lab

692
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: UM does not have consistent methods and so that has

693
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: caused variances UH test results. But part of our secret sauce,

694
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: our specialty is get accurate potency testing. That was the

695
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: problem that led me UH to vertosa with Ben. I

696
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: mean I was at Eurofin Scientific UM multinational third party

697
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: animal chemistry laboratory. My clients were CBS and other big retailers,

698
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: and literally on the same day that I told CBS

699
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: that look, all the bever excuse their their family potency

700
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: tests UM. And here's why the emotions are breaking. Things

701
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: are segmenting and separating UM. Ben game to me and

702
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: introduced me to the technology UM. And Joe you said

703
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: before you know from Saint Louis, Missouri, that's to show

704
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 1: me states that showed me the technology. Let me test

705
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: it UM and we did just that and I was like, Wow,

706
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: this suspention that the UM even dispersion of our ingredient

707
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: in its beverage, makes it able to pass potent detests.

708
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: So whether you're you know, infusing a fifty gallon tank

709
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: or a five style than gallon tank, our clients are

710
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: able to put our moly in into that tank and

711
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: be able to get a reliable, reliable, and predictable dose

712
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: at the individual level of the finished products. So you know,

713
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: there's about a cocoa products. There was I think that

714
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: five thousand gallons batch run. They poured it right into

715
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: the tank with the sugars and the coconut water, and

716
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: they did six thousand cases and every single unit came

717
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: out to twenty milligrams. Uh. You know, it's the exact

718
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: experience every single time. And that was Austin Stevenson right

719
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: there with Van Larson. And when we come back, we'll

720
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: hear the high five. It's Cannabis Talk one on one.

721
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: I thought, you're gonna swallow your mouth for now we'll

722
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 1: come back. I'm gonna swallow my teeth. Probably I'm gonna

723
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: die on live on the show. Welcome back, Welcome back

724
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: to Cannabis Talk one on one. So listen, I get it.

725
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: I really enjoy this nerd talk sometimes, you know what

726
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: I mean, because it's very scientific and if you guys

727
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: already know, I mean they're not they're I mean, I

728
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 1: I don't care if they weren't cool, they are cool.

729
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: But I mean either way, they're so scientifically breaking things

730
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: down from and they're probably dumbing it down for us,

731
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: which is nice. But I really appreciate and I sit

732
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: there to they have to. They're looking at using these idiots.

733
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: If we talk real talk, they're gonna, uh it's Joe

734
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: Mark marks out there as we got, or even dumb

735
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: it down more. And there's like blues up there. You

736
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: can't even finish this damn sentence. We better really dumb

737
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: it down. It's just awesome, you guys. I really appreciate

738
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: everything you guys are doing. And for those who want

739
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: to go to the website or if you have a

740
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: company that want to do it at Bertosa dot com

741
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: is their website, and uh Ben Larson and Austin Stevenson.

742
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: So far, I just want to tell you you've been

743
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: enjoy Like I've really been intrigued on everything you're saying.

744
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: And I didn't think I was gonna be so intrigued

745
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: and learning to out infusing drinks, but everything you're saying

746
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: now you know, well, now you know, and that's why

747
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: I kind of even when I was thinking about it

748
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: before we got on the show, Craig was like, who

749
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: the funk are these guys, and what a vague blah

750
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: blah blah. I go, dude, it's gonna be interesting, I think,

751
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 1: and I had a good feeling, and my good feeling

752
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 1: was right, So thank you guys for being so interesting

753
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: so I don't have to have cranky pants piss on

754
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: my She almost cut the show. Yeah, Craig was like,

755
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: my little brother's not here. I'm not gonna st Louis off.

756
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: I don't know about the guy from saying Low. Now

757
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: it's time for the high fun favorite part of the show,

758
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: with Ben Larson and Austin Stevenson Virtosa. Five questions to

759
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 1: you guys. Ben you're gonna answer first. Austin you're gonna

760
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 1: answer a second. It's the same question, and just give

761
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: your nice, honest answer. And just be honest though, and

762
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: don't lie, and don't be scared to give the honest

763
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: truth just because you're the CEO of the company and

764
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: everyone else is gonna be going, oh my god, I

765
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: can't believe Bench smoked with his pants down. The private

766
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: company is not a pub exactly, so he could do

767
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: whatever he wants. Not gonna change, not yet anyways. Question

768
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: number one Ben in Austin. How old were you guys

769
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: the first time you smoked weed? And where'd you get

770
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: it from? Oh? Man, I believe it or not. I

771
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: was nineteen, I believe in my my second year of college. UM.

772
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: And I earned a nickname from it. I was, uh, well, boo, hiss,

773
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: say what you want. I was joining a fraternity UM.

774
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: And during the process, we had this evening where we

775
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: had already been drinking and then someone broke out a

776
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: bomb and so it was eventually someone I became very

777
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: close with in the industry. But he loaded up this

778
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: bong and he said, here, I'm gonna light it for you.

779
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: You just have to suck Mike Wells like a fraternity

780
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: It sounds like a good, great, great trip for the

781
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: couple of guys. So it was a long story short.

782
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 1: I spent the last half of the night holding onto

783
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: a trash can, begging people to stop the room from spinning. UM.

784
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: And so I learned or earned the nickname Squints, which

785
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: was clearly as well, I don't get it, Yeah, I

786
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: don't get it. But you know what, I gotta admit,

787
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: it's a good nickname. It's a good friendship nickname. I'd

788
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: like it. And Austin, when did you give it? Austin?

789
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: You gave him that nickname that'd be Hr, that'd ben Hr. Violation.

790
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: Today we're at a Columbia university and that's where it happened.

791
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: So what about you? I mean you named it Joe.

792
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: I mean my first time was at Columbia. I was eighteen,

793
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: freshman in college. You know, I was a big dork

794
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: still kind of am you know, cool cannabis nerd I guess,

795
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: but you know it was. It was when my I

796
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: played football at Columbia, so it was one of my teammates.

797
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: What position I was, I'm one eight, I was a

798
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: running back and my playing playing about ten um so

799
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: you know I wasn't. I was a great high school player.

800
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: I was medio or at best college college athlete. But uh,

801
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: you know I would go into I go into my

802
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: uh my buddy's dorm room, and it's funny thing happened.

803
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: I go into my buddy's dorm room. I'm like, dude,

804
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: this smells like my aunt's house. And what are you

805
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: guys doing and it was like, oh, it's it's weed.

806
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: Have you never tried weed before? And I'm like no,

807
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: but now I know what my aunt has been. So

808
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: wonder why she was so nice? It gave me the

809
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: best ever did so. Um, that was my first time

810
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: and at that point, you know, I was I was

811
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: definitely on the on the cannabis train. It was I

812
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: love cannabis more than more than alcohol. So I started

813
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: hanging out with that group of guys and it was

814
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: actually Joe all the dvs that we're smoking weight, smoke

815
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: more than than drinking. Oh yeah, So I got a

816
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 1: nickname at our company. Um, it's uh, it's Chief Teeth. Um,

817
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: so big been the lightweight, I'm the heavyweight. The first

818
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: cannabis product I wrote out at at the incubator was

819
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: a pre roll product. Um. You know, I like to

820
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: say I can probably roll anybody in under the table. Um.

821
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: I wrote some pretty bad some pretty good fatties. Uh.

822
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: And I do love all different types of strain for you.

823
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: And that leads us to our second question. Austin has

824
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: so many products to show off, and why would you

825
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: cut him out? Why would you cut him off? Right there?

826
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: Can you not cut off the brother right there. What

827
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: is that like, I don't get what's going on. I'm

828
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: seeing some tention right now. I'm hearing tention. I know

829
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: he's having a good conversation. I'm enjoying his story, and

830
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: you just cut him off. I thought he was gonna

831
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: get into how he smokes. And then that goes into

832
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: question number two Blue you ask hole Craig, I'll take

833
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: this question to use cannabis. Oh man, I'm gonna have

834
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: to go with the Homer answer and say they infuse beverage.

835
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: I honestly do. Truly, it's a good business move. Yeah,

836
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: very good smoking. But yeah, the quicker onset, the just

837
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: the social experience and you don't have to consume it

838
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: all at once. It's really hard to, like, parse up

839
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: a gummy over an hour, but you can sit on

840
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: a beverage and have a great experience. So that's my

841
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: answer and I'm sticking to it. I like it. And

842
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: and if you put it in a glass of ice

843
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: just here, I think people want to know this. If

844
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: you put it in the glass of ice and you

845
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: want to sit on it for an hour and the

846
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: ice melt, does that does that do anything to the potency?

847
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it dilutes it. It waters it down, you know,

848
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: if you got it right, like a cocktail over But

849
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: that I meant potency, not dilute. Mean does make it pollution.

850
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: There's dilusion. Drink water. At the end of the day,

851
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 1: if you finish the glass, you'll get the exact same dose.

852
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: I don't know why it would take out any doses.

853
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: It's not alcohol. Where you're watering it down, you still

854
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: get the same amount of alcohol. Good thing you're a lawyer.

855
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: Number three about a second, now, you're not even gonna

856
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: let him answer the fucking question, Austin, What does he

857
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: have against you? Dude? What do you do atin? What's

858
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: your favorite way? He doesn't like you? I wonder why?

859
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 1: Look at his hairy gus are awesome? My my favorite

860
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: way of consuming I do like I like to do

861
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of both. I like to roll up

862
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: with fat joint uh and then take a beverage too,

863
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: So like I'm the heavy hitter of the group, so

864
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: I could smoke and sip um. That's that's my that's

865
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: my jam. Question number three the high Now he's all

866
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: the craziest place you've ever used or smoked cannabis? Oh, man, Austin,

867
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: you get tipped off if I passed this one to

868
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: you first, favorite place, favorite place of the high five,

869
00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: craziest place you've ever used cannabis, and Austin, You're up first.

870
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: Here Ben's thinking about this one. Damn. The craziest place,

871
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the craziest place was this wild

872
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: experience I had in Thailand where I don't you know,

873
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: clearly I'm not Thai, and I don't know how it

874
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: went down, but basically I was on this trip best

875
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: man of my friend's wedding. He was marrying like this,

876
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: the former Miss Thailand, and I didn't have any weed

877
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: for like two weeks. I was like, I gotta file

878
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: some lead and so over in Thailand they have uh,

879
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: you know, the touch touch the taxis, but also they

880
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: have like people just have the taxi on the moped

881
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: and I just sniffed it out. I figured out, I

882
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: found a guy. I started asking around. Everyone knows what

883
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: we'd hopped on back to the head. An hour later,

884
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: I end up in some hospital somewhere there's definitely weapons around.

885
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: It was crazy, like I'm not gonna get out of

886
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: this situation. I don't know. I get some like dude

887
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: was maybe five ft two, don't know, literally can make

888
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: this stuff literally like tiger type of or something on there.

889
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: He's got weed, he started drawing up. I'm talking to

890
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know if I'm wanna get out

891
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: of here alive. But he passed me this fat joint.

892
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: I smoked with them on the middle of Thailand. I

893
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: don't I don't speak the language. But it was a

894
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: hell of a good time. And it was a solid weed.

895
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: So that's crazy. What about you? What about you? Ben?

896
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: You know I now thank you, Austin, now that I've

897
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: had time to think about it. I've smoked weed all

898
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: around the world, right I've I've I've started traveling and

899
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: speaking and talking to you know, people in Bulgaria and

900
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 1: Berlin and in wherever else. But still the craziest place

901
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: for me was in my first office in Canapis, and

902
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: that's when we launch Gateway and we would throw some

903
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 1: pretty epic parties, if if I do say so myself. Um,

904
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: and the realization of like, I'm in my business office,

905
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: I'm sitting next to Ed Rose and thal Ziggy Marley

906
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, a football player, and just the

907
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: realization of like how mainstream this is becoming, And how's

908
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 1: the great equalizer that you can bring all these people

909
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: together and you're all on the same playing field. And

910
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: that was the most epic and you can sit in

911
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: your own office. Yeah, smoke, that's nice. I love that.

912
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: It was fantastic. Now what is Gateway? And I was

913
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: do a second and say that Gateway did throw some

914
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: epic parties. What is Gateway? I gonna cut you off,

915
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, I would like this. I got to

916
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: smoke a blunt with Ricky Williams at Gateway. That that

917
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: was a good story because of the community that that

918
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: Ben really put together at Gateway the Accelerator. Well, I

919
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: got a chance to smoke a blunt with notorious b

920
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: I G. Playboy right there in the city. Yeah, I

921
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: mean you gotta drop Ricky Williams. I might have drop

922
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: one real quick to smoke Roger Stone. No you didn't.

923
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: You could have said be real though and really stopped

924
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: one like it's hot. What is your favorite go to

925
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: munchies after you get high? Oh? Man, Um, I'm a

926
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: big fan of everything. I really love ice cream. It's

927
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: just like the cold sweet sensation. I can go through

928
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: a whole half gallon, it's not great for me. What flavor?

929
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: What flavor do you go to? Ben oh Man Cookies

930
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: and cream. I'm I'm right there with I have some

931
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: in the freezer at home right now, and three other flavors.

932
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: But who we can look out at? I am Austin?

933
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: What about you? For me? Like the munchies? I do

934
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: the salty popcorn and then and the true you know, uh,

935
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: someone that you know smokes a lot of weed and

936
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: loves edibles. I've been put Eminem's on top, so it's

937
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: like it's popcorn and peanut Eminem's. That's the best. Try

938
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: some Reese's pieces in there. I do all the chocolate

939
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: and popcorn thing to question number five with the High

940
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: five with Ben Larson and Austin Stevens in a Virtosa

941
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: Vertosa dot com is their website. If you could smoke

942
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: cannabis with anyone dead are alive, who would it be?

943
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: And why? I'm gonna have to say, my dad, he's

944
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: still here, He's still around. We've never done it before. Um,

945
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: but I remember when I was I think I was

946
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: like twelve years old. I found a little wooden pipe

947
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: in it in his golf bag, and my what is

948
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: this And I never told him actually, so maybe I'll

949
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: have to pass on whistle. It's about time I took

950
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: that ship. I never even used it. I just took it,

951
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: which you know, we're probably a route awakening for him

952
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 1: next time he went for it. But who's he gonna ask.

953
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: He's gonna come asking you still my pipe twelve twelve,

954
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: like I said for it didn't smoke until I was

955
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: like nineteen, So there was some missed opportunities there. But yeah,

956
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna have to go sit down with

957
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: my dad real soon. And do you think it's even

958
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: possible or do you think he'd be like, oh, son,

959
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: I'm done with that. I think he'd give it a go.

960
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: He really prized himself on being a green thumb that

961
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: he killed his most recent wheat plant that he tried

962
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: to grow, So tis he knows you're in the industry,

963
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,959
Speaker 1: he grows. You just haven't smoked with him. Oh my god.

964
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: After I announced that I was entering the industry back

965
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: in two thousand and fifteen, the Thanksgiving dinner that we

966
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 1: had with all of our family, I just found out

967
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: everyone was potheads. Everyone had their their grow tense like

968
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: in their walking closets in the seventies. Oh, you are

969
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of potheads. Where did you grow up out

970
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: in the Bay Area. Yeah, well I grew up in Sacramento,

971
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: but my my entire family grew up in Bay That's great.

972
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: What about you, Austin. Uh. The person that I want

973
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: to smoke with, UM, and I'm working towards that is

974
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: jay Z. UM. That's the one. Like I said, I

975
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: went to New York. I left St. Louis when I

976
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: was seventeen. I went to New York uptown. Heyes, sour

977
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 1: d was my thing at Columbia. UM. And you know,

978
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 1: jay Z is to me a hero and what he's

979
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 1: been able to create in his life, from Marcy Project

980
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: to being a billionaire UM and everything he's done with Beyonce.

981
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: So I get an opportunity to smoke with him, and

982
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm more important, that would be a dream come true. Well,

983
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: all you gotta do is head to San Jose and

984
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: go to Khaliva and tell them to hook you up.

985
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: As of course, jay Z just signed a big deal

986
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: with Khaliva to come out with his own brand, So

987
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: that might be in the works for you guys. I'm

988
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: sure you guys should be working with Kaliva real soon.

989
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: Good old Dennis O'Malley over there, I'm I'm working on it.

990
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: You know. The monogram brand that he's launched is epic Um,

991
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: and I think it's a game changer and it's going

992
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: to open up the whole world to really accepting and

993
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: appreciating cannabis and all that it can do. So, you know,

994
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: I got a little idea in the back of my mind.

995
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: Maybe a and Asa spades, you know, cannabi's version or

996
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 1: something we can have at the bottle all go bottle,

997
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 1: I think I think I think jay Z would like that.

998
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's uh, it's one of those things

999
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: that you have to appreciate. Um. If you know about it,

1000
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: and you know these guys, you know, using their platform

1001
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: and putting together a product and with certainly some very

1002
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: intelligent men like yourselves, I think it can be a

1003
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: very big success. And in fact, look at here what

1004
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: we've got hanging around here in the studios. Oh there

1005
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: it is. Look at that. Good for you guys, boys?

1006
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: Is that what you're talking about? As you asked for it,

1007
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: you shall receive, man. And in fact, I'm gonna keep

1008
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: this bottle here so when you guys come and we're

1009
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and pop this one open for you.

1010
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: So we can't wait for you guys to come down

1011
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: here to Southern California. Once again, it's Ben Lawson, the

1012
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: CEO and Austin Steve was in the chief Innovation Officer

1013
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: of RTOSA. Before we let you guys go, anything else

1014
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: that you guys want to plug, I want to give

1015
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: your podcast, Ben a shout out to you host Marijuana Today,

1016
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: which is, uh, tell us a little bit about that. Yeah,

1017
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: So Marijuana Today really focuses on just the industry and

1018
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: the movement. Uh, get people up to date on what's

1019
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: happening week after week policy. So hosting this coming weekend

1020
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 1: talking about the uh the election. Uh, you know a

1021
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: lot of big news happening every week. So it's the

1022
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: way that I came up in the industry really paying

1023
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: attention to things. And now I'm honored to kind of

1024
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: take the reins and so, uh, just dovetailing off of that,

1025
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: you guys brought in the show mentioning Evelyn last Chappelle.

1026
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: You know, we we've we've found Evelyn through the Last

1027
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 1: Prisoner Project, something that we wholeheartedly support as a company

1028
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: and other initiatives like it UM and so yeah, I

1029
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: mean as business owners, we owe it to this industry

1030
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: to make sure that we grow it in the way

1031
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: that we see fit. And that's an equitable uh industry

1032
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: that pays tribute to the the those impacted by by

1033
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: the War on drugs and so um that's something that

1034
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: means a lot to us as a company. And building

1035
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: the right culture in this industry is just as important

1036
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: as building the best products. Well said borderline Obama. Yeah,

1037
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: Evan and Chappelle she was great. And what about you, Austin,

1038
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: you want to shout out anything, Yeah, just really kind

1039
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: of shouting out to all the love that that we

1040
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: received from all of our clients and partners. UM the lights.

1041
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: You know, it's been mentioned it really takes the community

1042
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: to build all of this together. UM. So, you know,

1043
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: Last Prisoners Project has been incredible. UM. Also there's been

1044
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: a lot of work at our dream Um Academy. That's

1045
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: whole thing, you know, really kind of create avenues and

1046
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: pathways for minorities to enter the state. UM. So, a

1047
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: lot of our team, our advisors to a group of

1048
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: mentees that are equity license holders here in California and

1049
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: really helps them launch their business. Um so um this

1050
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: is our dream. Dot com has been an excellence platform

1051
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: to really help survive pathways to minority cannabis business. Fantastic

1052
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: and that's amazing, guys, great, I do love that. Man. Well,

1053
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: I guess what, man, We appreciate you to being on

1054
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: the show. It's Cannabis Talk one on one. Remember this, guys,

1055
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: if no one else loves you, we do. Thank you

1056
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: for listening to Cannabis Talk one oh one on the

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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcasts.