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Speaker 1: Hey, what is up everybody? Welcome to the Guilty of

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Speaker 1: Charge podcast, presented by the Chargers Podcast Network. My name

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Speaker 1: is Stephen and I am the host as always and

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Speaker 1: joining me on a victory Tuesday Wednesday for you guys

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Speaker 1: is my guy Tyler. Tyler, what something I doing today?

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Speaker 2: Pretty good? Man? That game was about as pretty as

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Speaker 2: you and me competing in a beauty pageant. But you

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Speaker 2: know what, man, it's nice to break out the Victory

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Speaker 2: Monday shirt on a Wednesday. It's nice to be talking

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Speaker 2: on this podcast after a win. Steven, how are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Shout out to Homage. They make great shirts.

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Speaker 1: appreciate Homage. But doing good. Tyler and I were talking

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Speaker 1: before we jumped in here. Both of us obviously work

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Speaker 1: in education, as we've talked about on the show, and

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Speaker 1: both of us are very much prepared for Christmas break

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Speaker 1: because as if any educator is in your life, you

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Speaker 1: know that they are are feeling the same. So a

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Speaker 1: few short weeks away from Christmas break and very excited

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Speaker 1: for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. But we got games to cover until then,

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Speaker 2: and you know some kids, the two person stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, games to get into. I have started watching draft prospects.

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Speaker 1: This is generally the time of year where I started

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Speaker 1: watching draft prospects, so I just started watching Brock Powers today.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of fun. All right, We're gonna dive

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Speaker 1: into this Chargers Patriots game, also do a little look

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Speaker 1: ahead to Chargers Broncos, and then we're bringing back over

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Speaker 1: Reaction Wednesday. So Tyler and I have some talking points

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Speaker 1: we want to discuss and figure out where is the

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Speaker 1: silver lining or where is kind of the gray area

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Speaker 1: in these kind of topics debates that are kind of

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Speaker 1: going around on social media. So it should be a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. Hopefully you guys are ready and excited

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Speaker 1: off a win for what's to come the rest of

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Speaker 1: the week. So before we dive into this content today,

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Speaker 1: as always, Tyler and I are fans of the team

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Speaker 1: first and foremost. The opinions that we express on this

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Speaker 1: show are just out there, our opinions and not the

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Speaker 1: opinions of the Chargers organization. We're very grateful to have

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Speaker 1: this platform and hope to continue to produce this content

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Speaker 1: for you guys the rest of the season. So hopefully

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Speaker 1: enjoy it, and if you don't mind, please leave a comment,

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Speaker 1: leave a rating, leave a review. All that stuff really

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Speaker 1: does help us to continue to grow the show and

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Speaker 1: show our appreciations towards the Chargers. So that being said, Tyler,

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Speaker 1: we'll dive in first and foremost to the Patriots game.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to sit back and watch some of that

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Speaker 1: tape and get some real takeaways there. So you kind

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Speaker 1: ofocusing on the offense, I kind of focus in on

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Speaker 1: the defense. Well, we'll have some big takeaways to discuss

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Speaker 1: from that game from what we saw on tape. So

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Speaker 1: let's start with the offense. You're pointed out some things

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, but what was kind of your your big

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Speaker 1: takeaway after watching the tape about the Chargers offense and

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Speaker 1: they're six points on Sunday afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thanks for giving me that one. The offense

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Speaker 2: and the six points. I'm happy to kick that one off.

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Speaker 1: For the show.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry. Honestly, I came away being happier with Kellen

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Speaker 2: to make that distinction. Outside of a handful of plays,

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Speaker 2: I really felt like the offense, you know.

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Speaker 1: I like the calls overall.

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Speaker 2: I like Justin Herbert and how he looked. There are

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Speaker 2: plenty of guys that were open, plenty of opportunities I

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Speaker 2: And as I was prepping for the show, I just

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Speaker 2: And it's always it's almost a different player every time.

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Speaker 2: the call was there. It got the the Patriots, I think,

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Speaker 2: Plenty of green grass that way, but he just goes

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Speaker 2: left straight into a pile. Herbert keeps the option rather

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Speaker 2: You know, in previous weeks, typically Herbert hands it off

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Speaker 2: where he should have kept it, he keeps it, they

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Speaker 2: there's always one guy making some mistake, they haven't been

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's important that you make that designation

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Speaker 1: or distinction rather about the play calls, and like the

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Speaker 1: concepts that Kellen Moore generally runs are very strong. Like

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Speaker 1: we on Saturday talked about like how we have really

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Speaker 1: enjoyed seeing Kellen Moore bringing this you know, extra step

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Speaker 1: more control of the offense. You know, keenan Allen's getting

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Speaker 1: and like the bones of this offense schematically are really

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Speaker 1: like part of your job as being an offensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: And Brandon Steally even said this yesterday, you know, speaking

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Speaker 1: Like all eleven players have to be on the same page,

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Speaker 1: whether that is you know, everybody has to be on

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Speaker 1: like there's a lot of context like that you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: but you know, this Chargers offense scoring six points this

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Speaker 1: week ten points last week. It's just it's just kind

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Speaker 1: of unexcusable. It's unacceptable to me to have a Justin

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Speaker 1: of consistency. And that's about practice, right, Like, that's throughout

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Speaker 1: as a head coach, coach. And like you mentioned, we

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Speaker 1: They get five yards out of that, which is fine.

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Speaker 1: On second down, they run a trap play, which the

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Speaker 1: Patriots were in a light box, and so like again

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Speaker 1: the concept is sound. You run a trap play, Austin

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Speaker 1: know every single play call in the NFL, especially under

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Speaker 1: Kellen Moore, you have two tags with it, and so

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert has the ability to kill the first play

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Speaker 1: the second play was the exact same trap call that

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Speaker 1: the Chargers ran on second down. It's just instead with

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Speaker 1: he needed, And that, to me is just an unacceptable

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Speaker 1: for you to run that kind of sequence was a

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Speaker 1: head scratcher for Kellen Moore. And some people will say, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: like they were in a positive down a distance you

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Speaker 1: should be able to run a trap play for you know,

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Speaker 1: to get two and a half yards on third down,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, yes, I agree with you, but when

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Speaker 1: you're a value waiting the play call and the process,

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Speaker 1: that to me was not a positive experience front or

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Speaker 1: not a positive review from Kellen Moore. To have the

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Speaker 1: things going, to me was was not a great sequence

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Speaker 2: No, at some point they do have to consider the

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Speaker 1: the best edge run defenders in the league. Just the

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Speaker 1: ability that he has to stack and shed defenders, beat

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Speaker 1: tight ends, make tackles for losses is outstanding. There are

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Speaker 1: lots of other things that we could talk about, but

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Speaker 1: I think easing Bassi deserved a shout out here, especially himself,

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Speaker 1: because he's really taken advantage of this opportunity. And obviously

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Speaker 1: I hope that continues for the rest of the season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, me as well, And I hope that whatever J. T.

439
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 2: Woods role is and whatever capacity how they rotate these safeties,

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Speaker 2: we do love Derwen Jim's closer to the line of scrimmage,

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Speaker 2: and we do love him as an edge rusher. Of course,

442
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Speaker 2: that was fantastic. Apparently the Sunday was hit Ezekiel really

443
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Speaker 2: hard day, Ellie really hard day. Khalil Mack got him

444
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Speaker 2: really good. Derwyn James got Zeke in pass protection as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Derwin close to the line is just makes everything better.

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Speaker 2: And credit to the coaches and these safeties for allowing

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Speaker 2: Derwen to do that. It is more simplified, of course,

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Speaker 2: for Derwin to be way back there guarding back d

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Speaker 2: with the Lowhi Gilman, Sure that is simplified. But if

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Speaker 2: you can find a way to get Drwin's role closer

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Speaker 2: to that line and allow him to rush the passer

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Speaker 2: like that is what he does the best, that is

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Speaker 2: the best way to use him. And if he can

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Speaker 2: execute as well. It looks more like it did on

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Speaker 2: Sunday where he was all over the place.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the blitz package that Brandon Staley cooked up for

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Speaker 1: the sack that Derwin got was just unfair. Man Like,

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Speaker 1: he rushed in between Tuley and Justin Holins, who's who's

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Speaker 1: having like a really nice season for the Chargers as well,

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Speaker 1: and Derwin executed it perfectly. He faked out Zeke got home.

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Speaker 1: I thought Derwin played really solid on on Sunday, and

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Speaker 1: then the pass rush in general just was was outstanding

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Speaker 1: to see. So good to see their ruin back rush

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Speaker 1: in the passer I hope, like there's really no reason

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Speaker 1: why he shouldn't be doing that like three or four

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Speaker 1: times a game. I think it was for this part

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Speaker 1: this past Sunday. You know, he got a pressure, he

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Speaker 1: got a sack. So it just makes things so much easier.

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Speaker 1: And I think, especially without Joey, you're you probably needs

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Speaker 1: to do that more often. All right, let's get to

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Speaker 1: some of these overreactions here and then we will highlight

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Speaker 1: the Broncos game for a bit. So we have five

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Speaker 1: points that we wanted to touch on with these overreactions segments.

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Speaker 1: So Tyler We'll start with the first one. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of positivity about the Chargers defense right now. Obviously

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Speaker 1: you mentioned their EPA play standings right now. I guess

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Speaker 1: the overreaction statement we want to assess here is that

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Speaker 1: the Chargers defense has figured it out after too strong

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Speaker 1: showings against the Ravens and Patriots and will continue to

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Speaker 1: play at this level throughout the rest of the season.

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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts there that is currently an overreaction

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Speaker 2: to quote the great Ella enchanted, didn't we just do this?

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Speaker 2: We just did this? I feel like with the Chargers defense. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Lla Enchanted reference on the Guiltiest Charge podcast, drop that

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Speaker 2: expecting that one. Yeah, not at all. I think it's

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Speaker 2: an over reaction at this point. I do believe the

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Speaker 2: Ravens could have done more against the Chargers based on

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Speaker 2: what you saw other teams do the previous weeks, and

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Speaker 2: they sort of did that to start the game and

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Speaker 2: then got away from that the second half. Still, what

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Speaker 2: they did against the Ravens, the defense did against the

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Speaker 2: Ravens was pretty strong overall, holding them to thirteen points

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Speaker 2: until really like the final play whereas they Flowers broke free.

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Speaker 2: But I gotta see more and if if we did,

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Speaker 2: if the Chargers had Ravens then Lions and had let's

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Speaker 2: say two games of twenty points allowed, I'd believe it.

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Speaker 2: But one being the Ravens, Okay, you know, pretty solid,

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Speaker 2: showing pretty good, showing the Patriots many they're not good.

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Speaker 2: Their offense is not very good, so I got to

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Speaker 2: see more. I do believe it is an overreaction at

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Speaker 2: this point, and talk to me after the Denver game.

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Speaker 2: Then I think we can start seeing if there's a

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Speaker 2: real pattern here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's totally fair. I also think, like

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Speaker 1: figured it out, it has to be quantified here because

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Speaker 1: like the Charges right now, like you mentioned, they're eighth

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Speaker 1: and EPA per play over the last two drives that

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Speaker 1: if that is your expectation, if that's how you are qualifying,

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Speaker 1: figure it out, Like if your expectation is them being

510
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Speaker 1: a top ten defense, I think definitely this is an overreaction.

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Speaker 1: I think if the Chargers bar for defensive success is

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Speaker 1: like twentyeth in the league, I think over the final

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Speaker 1: five weeks this team can be that. So I think

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Speaker 1: I would kind of fall in the middle right now,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think that I don't want to fall

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Speaker 1: for this trap again of it being like, oh, like

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Speaker 1: the defense, this is what we're expecting, Like this is

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Speaker 1: what we wanted to see. But I do think that

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Speaker 1: they have settled some things down and I think they

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Speaker 1: can perform at you know, an average level right now

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Speaker 1: in terms of EPA play, in terms of like being

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Speaker 1: maybe like twenty twenty first in the league and not

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Speaker 1: just allow these explosive plays to really killed on that

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Speaker 1: because that was like the biggest thing, you know, preventing

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Speaker 1: them from being an average defense. So they're doing some

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Speaker 1: good things. Personnel changes have worked, but I think in

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Speaker 1: terms of figured it out, I think that probably is

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Speaker 1: an overaction.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree.

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Speaker 2: Here, I'd love to let's see the next one. So

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Speaker 2: switching back to the offense, the Chargers' offense is in

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Speaker 2: real trouble down the stretch of the season. Overreaction action.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say yes, EPA for play right now is

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Speaker 1: not very kind for the Charges over the last two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Obviously the points have not been kind either, but we're

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Speaker 1: not too far removed from two very strong showings from

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Speaker 1: the offense against the Lions and the Packers. The Lions

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Speaker 1: in particular, like we were definitely not expecting that kind

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Speaker 1: of performance. I think that game was right up there

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Speaker 1: with Justin Herbert's best games of his career. We just

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Speaker 1: talked about Justin Herbert having a really strong performance on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Despite the six points, the context of his performance I

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Speaker 1: think is stronger than that, and they have some positive

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Speaker 1: matchups here down the stretch. The Broncos defense is not

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Speaker 1: the same one that had so many points hung on

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Speaker 1: them by the Dolphins. But you can score on the

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Speaker 1: Broncos defense, you could score on the Bills defense. We'll

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Speaker 1: see what happens with the Chiefs and what kind of

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Speaker 1: that game means, but I think Justin Herbert and keenan

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Speaker 1: Al are still playing at a high enough level where

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Speaker 1: I'm not super concerned about the offense. Obviously, there are

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Speaker 1: some things that I am concerned about, which we have

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Speaker 1: talked about, but as a whole for the offense, I

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Speaker 1: think they will be fine over the final five weeks

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Speaker 1: of the season.

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Speaker 2: I think Justin Herbert definitely keeps that floor there, and

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Speaker 2: you assume that the drops will decrease significantly. I can't

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Speaker 2: imagine another six drop game, although they've already had two

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Speaker 2: I think the last four weeks. But I think things

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Speaker 2: could get better. I don't think it's an overreaction though,

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Speaker 2: to say that the Chargers will be in trouble on

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Speaker 2: offense over the last few games now, sort of like

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Speaker 2: the defense, it depends on what your bar is here.

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Speaker 2: What is the version for what being in trouble is.

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Speaker 2: I think it's hovering in like this fourteen to twenty

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Speaker 2: point range, I think, and basically not be able to

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Speaker 2: exceed that. And I think the Chargers are a bit

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Speaker 2: in trouble. The Raiders, believe it or not, are fifth

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Speaker 2: and EPA per play the last five weeks on defense,

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Speaker 2: that certainly is potentially because of the coaching switch, I'd

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Speaker 2: imagine so. But you see what they did to the

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Speaker 2: Dolphins back of a game. They're playing hard, and of course,

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Speaker 2: like rivalry, games are just different. The Bills will see

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Speaker 2: how they are and what's the state of their defense

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Speaker 2: even is by the time they get to that game.

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Speaker 2: But McDermott as a defensive minded head coach the Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: We saw what the Charger did against the Chiefs. That

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Speaker 2: was with Josh Palmer, who dropped a buck thirty three

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Speaker 2: on them. Did Josh Palmer situation is what gives me

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Speaker 2: a lot of pause right now. If we saw either

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Speaker 2: a Palmer come back or Quentin Johnson to be more

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Speaker 2: heavily involved as a true mainstay in the offense, I'd

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Speaker 2: feel better. But I do worry about the Chargers offense

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Speaker 2: right now because I don't think the run game gets solved.

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Speaker 2: I need to see this Chargers' offensive line pass protect

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Speaker 2: as they did on Sunday for several games. I don't know, man,

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Speaker 2: I am worried about this group. And you know, the

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Speaker 2: the Broncos defense, it was definitely not great to start

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Speaker 2: this season, but they are eighth in the same last

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Speaker 2: five games an EPA on defense, and so in theory,

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Speaker 2: the Chargers, based on what's going to be the second

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Speaker 2: half of the season, are facing three or four ish

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Speaker 2: top ten defenses in terms of how they are playing

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Speaker 2: right now, and that gives me a bit of a pause.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's not an overreaction to say the Chargers'

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Speaker 2: offense is actually in trouble.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Palmer coming back would be huge. We

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Speaker 1: don't know what that status is. Brandon Stay said this

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Speaker 1: week that there's a chance he comes back. He's progressing,

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Speaker 1: but we don't really know he's eligible to come off

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Speaker 1: in your reserve basically at any time. At this point,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Chargers right now need somebody else to

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Speaker 1: step up alongside Keenan Allen. I saw this stat from

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Speaker 1: Hayden Weeks of Underdog Fantasy that Keenan Allen is accounting

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Speaker 1: for thirty five percent of the Chargers targets right now,

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Speaker 1: which is second only to Tyreek Hill in the league

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Speaker 1: at this point through this kind of season. So Keen

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Speaker 1: obviously has one hundred and one catches. We've talked about him

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Speaker 1: potentially being in in range to catch Michael Thomas's receptions

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Speaker 1: record which would be crazy, which is fantastic for Keenan.

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Speaker 1: Obviously we'd love to watch it happen, but the Chargers

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Speaker 1: do need a secondary target to come back into things.

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Speaker 1: Gerald ever, was more involved this past Sunday. Maybe he's

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Speaker 1: that guy, and Brandon Sley did tell CBS quite often

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Speaker 1: apparently that that was the guy that they were hoping

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Speaker 1: they get going more often. So we'll see how happens there.

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Speaker 1: I understand the concerns. I just think that justin Herbert

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Speaker 1: is playing at a level right now where I think

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Speaker 1: they'll be fine. I'm not expecting them to be like

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Speaker 1: top five like they were when everybody was healthy, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: but I think they'll be able to, you know, have

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Speaker 1: chances to win these games because I just think Herbert

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Speaker 1: is playing at that level right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Overall, I think both the offense and the defense

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Speaker 2: are going to kind of meet in the middle. I

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Speaker 2: think they're both going to be you know, the offense

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Speaker 2: will have to try to return to their forum, defense

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Speaker 2: will have to maintain this form. I think they'll kind

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Speaker 2: of meet in the middle as both being solid. I

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Speaker 2: hope to finish the season. How many wins you get

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Speaker 2: out of that Butcher yeah.

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Speaker 1: For sure. All Right, Our next one here is a

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Speaker 1: bit of a maybe a season ending topic, but we

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Speaker 1: wanted to touch on it because mister Khli Mack is

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Speaker 1: having a fantastic season and we're limiting this specifically to

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Speaker 1: veteran off season additions. But Tyler, is it an overreaction

647
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Speaker 1: to say that trading for Khalil Mack is the best

648
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 1: veteran offseason move that Tom Telesco has ever made.

649
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 2: If we're just talking about free agent acquisitions or trading

650
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: acquisitions and non drafts, it is not an overreaction to

651
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 2: say that Khalil Mack is the best move that Telusco

652
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 2: has made in the off season during his tenure. I

653
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: think the three that you put up there are signing

654
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: Corey Linsley, which completely changed everything about past protection for

655
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 2: the Chargers when he first got there. Casey Hayward signing,

656
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 2: which is an incredible signing, one of the best in

657
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 2: the NFL over that span in terms of what they

658
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: end up getting out of it. But I think the

659
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: trade for Khalil Mack, while the defense overall has not

660
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 2: been completely changed by that specific addition, there's a player

661
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 2: right now in Khalim Mack, gunning for the NFL sack

662
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: record all time, two away from passing Sean Merriman Leslie

663
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: O'Neill for their own Yeah, or from tying those two guys.

664
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Speaker 2: So no, it's not an overreaction. I think at minimum,

665
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: he's one of the three best additions through the offseason

666
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: and so therefore not an over reaction.

667
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think those three are are definitely the main

668
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: contenders for this designation. I think you can make an

669
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: argument for Mike Pouncey. I think you can make an

670
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: argument for like Russell Okun, but those guys obviously had

671
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 1: the injuries and things like that. There are other guys

672
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: that I think would be kind of a second tier

673
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: that we could discuss, but those three are definitely the

674
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Speaker 1: top tier. I think if, like if Khalil hits the

675
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: sack record, the answer to this is yes, Like if

676
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: you get you know, twenty two and if you get

677
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: twenty three sacks out of Kalimba at age thirty two

678
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 1: and you trade a second and six round pick for him,

679
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: the answer to this question is yes. I still would

680
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: lean Casey Hayward because of the duration that he was

681
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: so good for the Chargers, because there was like a

682
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: legitimate four year stretch there where he was arguably, you know,

683
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: the best cornerback in the NFL. And he did it

684
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: at two different positions. Like the first year he came

685
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: to the Chargers, he was a slot corner, led the

686
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: league in interceptions. Then he was an outside corner in

687
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: Gus Bradley's scheme and he was one of the best

688
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: outside corners in the league. So I would still lean

689
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: Casey because of the duration. You know, he had the

690
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: longer time period. But Corey and Khalil are definitely very

691
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: close behind Casey right now. So yeah, for now, I'm

692
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: saying slight overreaction.

693
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Speaker 2: I get that. And you know, we were all super

694
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 2: excited and hyped for the Khalil Mack trade because we

695
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: knew who Khalil Mack was and how great he was.

696
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Speaker 2: You know, you're getting a player that is a very

697
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 2: proven player, not that Casey wasn't, but it was it

698
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: wasn't exactly the same coming from Green Bay with him.

699
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: That's signing, and certainly how much it cost, right initially

700
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 2: that signing for him was it was very small, it

701
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: wasn't all that much, and then he got the extension

702
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: later on, So yeah, I understand why you go with

703
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: Casey Hayward. I do think that these two guys are

704
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: the one and two, with Lindsley in third. Lindsay I

705
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: think could have been first if he were healthy this

706
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 2: season because allowing was it, nine pressures in two seasons

707
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 2: is unlike anything we had seen from any Chargers player

708
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: in quite some time, just this last season and what's

709
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 2: been going on with it, whatever the situation is. Hope

710
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: he's okay. That kind of knocks him the third.

711
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Tyler, let's get to the next one here.

712
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: Alrighty, let's do this one. Overreaction or not, Joe Lombardi

713
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: was better as a Chargers offensive coordinator than Kellen Moore

714
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: as the Chargers offensive coordinator.

715
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Speaker 1: Man, obviously we wanted to do this one because they're

716
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: playing each other this week. You know, there's a lot

717
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: of coaching narratives to discuss. I think this is an

718
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: overreaction because I think what Kellen did over the first

719
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: it's very small sample size, but what Kellen did over

720
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: the first three games was better than anything Joe Lombardi

721
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: did during his tenure as the Chargers. So of course,

722
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: you know the sample is very limited there. The Chargers

723
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one were mostly very healthy throughout the

724
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: offense that season. We haven't seen Kellen get that kind

725
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: of opportunity. Obviously, there's been a lot of injuries that

726
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: they've had to deal with, not to the same extent

727
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: as twenty twenty two, to be fair. So I think

728
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: the bones of Kellen Moore's offense are just naturally better,

729
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,479
Speaker 1: and I think that Kellen his mission was I think,

730
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: like obviously Justin Herbert and his development first and foremost,

731
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: and I think that those are the reasons why I

732
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: would say Kellen Moore is a better offensive coordinator for

733
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: the Chargers than Joeln mart he was.

734
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 2: I agree this is an overreaction. I think we can

735
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: at least admit that in twenty twenty one that was

736
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: the best overall offense of Justin Herbert's career. I'm not

737
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: saying Herbert was the best or wasn't the best, but

738
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: that was the best overall offense and that is objectively true.

739
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: You look at EPA DVOA, they had more points per

740
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: drive than the season world Danian Tellinton set the touchdown record,

741
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: so it was a pretty good offense overall. You could

742
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: maybe just pick out some of the games where it

743
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: wasn't so great, but it was still a top five

744
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: offense in terms of efficiency, scoring, et cetera. You really

745
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: have to compare the two teams when the adversity hit,

746
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 2: and both of these guys Joe Lombardi in twenty twenty

747
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: two Kellen Moore this year, have dealt with a lot,

748
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 2: you know, for Okay, maybe you get Corey Linsley this year,

749
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: but Justin Ribber was cracked that year. You get more

750
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: Josh Palmer this year, but you lose you know, Mike

751
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 2: Williams for you know, fifteen games the next year.

752
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: So it's it's tough.

753
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: But I think if you just look at it, when

754
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: the adversity hits, and this is what we wanted, when

755
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: the adversity hits, who's better, who can pull more? I

756
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 2: think it's easily Kellen Moore. There's no game on the

757
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: Chargers schedule last season where they came close to putting

758
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: up thirty eight points with all these guys hurt. That

759
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: doesn't happen. Keenan Allen working downfield, you know with a

760
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 2: skin two skinny post or whatever it was two of

761
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: them for touchdowns. That doesn't happen. Against the Lions with

762
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,479
Speaker 2: Joe Lombardi as the offensive coordinator. There is no thirty

763
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 2: eight point output for the Chargers over that stretch, so

764
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: I think working with what they have when they've been limited,

765
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: I think Kellen Moore has been better. But twenty twenty

766
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: one was the best overall Chargers offense. But that's also

767
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: because Slater was playing like an all pro, Corey Linsley

768
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: playing like an all pro. So things everyone's just healthier

769
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 2: where the Chargers were going this season, as you pointed out,

770
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 2: with those first three games. First game very different than

771
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 2: the third game, but the passing game started to really

772
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: figure itself out. Keenan had two hundred yards through for

773
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: another forty, Mike Williams had one hundred something yard, Josh

774
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: Palmer had two big catches, one of them for a

775
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: touch on Justin Herbert was perfect in that game. That's

776
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: where the passing game was going to go, and then

777
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 2: the rest is what we already know. So I think

778
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: that if we had seen this offense healthy for eight games,

779
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: we're talking about one a very different season and two

780
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: just a completely different feel overall about Kellen Moore. Where

781
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 2: you know, fans as we interact with are not asking

782
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: or suggesting this idea, Delmbardy is a better coordinator for

783
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 2: the Chargers than Kellen Moore.

784
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think even just if one of Palmer or

785
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: Mike Williams are healthy right now, I think you're seeing

786
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: a drastically different offense. But you lose those two guys.

787
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 1: You know, Quentin has had obviously his ups and downs.

788
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: He had a much better game this past Sunday. Austin

789
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: Eckler has been injured as well and has taken a

790
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: step back physically, and those are things that Joel Lombardi

791
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: didn't have to deal with for a whole season. So

792
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: that is fair. But like you mentioned twenty twenty one,

793
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: the Chargers offense that year and Justin Herbert that year

794
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: have been the best offense that Justin Herbert has experienced.

795
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: If they make the playoffs that year, he's probably an

796
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: MVP candidate because he was just like lighting it up

797
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: that season. So what's yeah, I've been say all right,

798
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: last one here, we wanted to give a shout out

799
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: to the Chargers special teams here, Tyler. Is it an

800
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: overreaction to say that Ryan Ficken is the best special

801
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: teams coordinator in the NFL at this current time? Nope?

802
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 2: Because he was one of them at minimum last season.

803
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: But the Chargers were one of the best special teams

804
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: units this year. As Eric Smith pointed out in his article,

805
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: the Chargers are first in Special Teams DVOWAY. So I

806
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: think if you're first in DVOA, that means you're a

807
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 2: pretty good unit, and therefore I do believe Ryan Ficken

808
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: should be in contention for that. Not an over reaction.

809
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: Ryan Ficken is one of the best coaches in the league, period,

810
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: and the Chargers are one of the best special teams

811
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 2: in the league and currently the best special teams unit

812
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: in the league. He's just we talk about so many

813
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: different players on this channel. Justin Herbert we talked about

814
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: two league Khalil Mack. We talk about these guys consistently.

815
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: The coach we bring up all the time though, with

816
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 2: these guys is Ryan Ficken, because every single week, these

817
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: guys are pushing excellence and they're so well coached, and

818
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: you can see it in the press conferences, you can

819
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: see it in the interviews, you can see it on

820
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: film in their comments. Everything is just cranked up to

821
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: eleven in terms of the IQ of the special teams

822
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: unit and the execution of the special teams unit and

823
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: anywhere you look you want, I mean even just on Sunday,

824
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 2: you got a perfect kicker, an excellent punter, a great returner,

825
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: and the Patriots didn't do anything in terms of returns

826
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: and they really haven't all seasons. So yeah, Ryan Ficken

827
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: man one of the best. He should be a head

828
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: coach somewhere at some point. Difficult for teams to commit

829
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: to a special teams coordinator, but you're not going to

830
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 2: find many better coaches than Ficken right now.

831
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I think we also have to put

832
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: into context here, like we're not too far removed from

833
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: this Chargers team having the worst special teams unit in

834
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: the league. And when Brandon Sadie was hired, like one

835
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: of the things that was like always kind of like

836
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: secondary was like okay, like you got to figure out

837
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: how to get this special teams unit to be at

838
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: least average, and it didn't go super well the first

839
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: year they hire Ryan Ficken, And since that moment, the

840
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: Chargers have been not just average, they've been an elite

841
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: special teams unit. And it's not like they have gone

842
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: through a super healthy like everybody around Ryan Ficken that

843
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: he's coaching everybody's healthy, right, Like they went through four

844
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 1: kickers last year. Obviously you find Cameron Dicker, and Cameron

845
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: Dicker has become this elite kicker right now. And a

846
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: lot of that I would credit Ryan Ficken for and

847
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: just his steady hand in Cameron Dicker's development. If you remember,

848
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: Cameron Dicker started his NFL career as a punter for

849
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: the Rams, Like that's what they were using him as

850
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: because he was kind of a dual threat player. Now

851
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: this is a guy who has the highest success rate

852
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: in terms of any kicker. He's at ninety five percent

853
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: right now. You know, we talked about Darius Davis on

854
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,959
Speaker 1: our show on Sunday. He leaves the league in punt

855
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: return average. And if you just highlight the special teams

856
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: unit and how many games over the last two years

857
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: the special teams has really sparked wins. I think you're

858
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: talking about at least four or five games, and Darius

859
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: Davis this year has been super impactful. JK. Scott, you know,

860
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 1: was a cast off punter, like he was potentially out

861
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 1: of the league and he's having these awesome seasons under

862
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: Ryan Ficken. You look at what they're getting from these

863
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: gunners and what he's gotten from Dean Leonard and Jaseer Taylor. Well,

864
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: you didn't have Jair Taylor on Sunday. You lost Raheem

865
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: Land a couple of weeks ago. And aj Finley comes

866
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: in off of the practice squad and he's been an

867
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 1: excellent special teams player. Hanley am and Ogawaga meaning nickname,

868
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: and all these guys are legitimately core special teams players.

869
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: You've signed Blake Lynch off of the Street and he's

870
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: a core special teams player. Like everything just kind of

871
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 1: clicks into place, like it's incredible to watch what Ryan

872
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 1: ficken It has been doing for this team. And absolutely

873
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 1: I think this is not another reaction. I think he's

874
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: definitely one of one of the at least the two

875
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: best special teams coordinators in the NFL right now.

876
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree. He's, I hope for the Chargers

877
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: what like Dave Tube is for the Chiefs where he

878
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 2: was just he's been at consistent presence for them as

879
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: a coach for at least since Andy Reid's been there,

880
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: which I think is about a decade now. So if

881
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: Ficking can be that for the Chargers for a long time,

882
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: the Chargers are really good hands. Like you said, how

883
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 2: often can we look at the Chargers over the last

884
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: decade and say the special teams won you a game?

885
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: And it never is like officially just a special teams

886
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: that does it. But there's a few games where it

887
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 2: really feels like that. Certainly was against the Broncos on

888
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: Monday Night Football. It certainly was against the Jets. Darius

889
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: Davis literally was them that game with his one touchdown.

890
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 2: It it was over, like you could have gone home. Jets

891
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: weren't scoring more often that anyway, It's it's just a tremendous,

892
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: tremendous advantage for the Chargers.

893
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like how crazy is that to say that

894
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: after everything we've watched, you know, the early years of

895
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: my fandom, because I was born in nineteen ninety four,

896
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: so like people pointed out to me today like, oh,

897
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: like you had John Carney and all these guys, Like, Okay,

898
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: I was five when John Karney left the Chargers. You

899
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: have Mike Ciphers and Nay Kaden obviously, but really like

900
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: since two thousands, like I was in high school, so

901
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: like twenty ten ish to Ryan Ficken, the Chargers have

902
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: been bad on special teams and now it's one of

903
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: the best units in the league. So Ryan Ficken absolutely

904
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: deserves a shout out. All right, real quickly here, we're

905
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: gonna wrap up today's show, just highlighting the Broncos game.

906
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: A few things here, First and foremost, it is Antonio

907
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: Gates Day. He is going to be honored at a

908
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: halftime Obviously a guy we all have argued as the

909
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: greatest tight end all time. So first and foremost, congratulations

910
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: to mister Antonio Gates. Many of my core memories of

911
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: the Chargers are involving Antonio Gates and Philip Rivers and

912
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: all those guys. I would also encourage anybody who attends

913
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: this game on Sunday to stay in your seats at

914
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: halftime and be able to watch mister Antonio Gates get

915
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: his due recognition from the charters. So definitely wanted to

916
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: start their shout out to Antonio Gates, one of the

917
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: best ever. Should absolutely be a first ballut Hall of

918
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: Famer at next year's ceremony, and hope that is the

919
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: case because the athlete he definitely deserves that.

920
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: He's just a throwback to an era and really kicked

921
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 2: off kind of a renaissance at the position at tight end,

922
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: and I've watched highlights of him. The Chargers do a

923
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 2: good job of posting highlights here and there of Antonio Gates,

924
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: and it's just who plays like Antonio Gates these days?

925
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: They're really He's just different. He's unique, and you can

926
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: tell this is a guy who was a basketball player

927
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 2: who transition into the NFL and then just oh, by

928
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: the way, became a Hall of Famer, or he's going

929
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,959
Speaker 2: to be a Hall of Famer. That's that's no surprise there. So, yeah,

930
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: he's fantastic. I was there when he broke the touchdown record.

931
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: I was there on white Hot Sunday when they played

932
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: the Seahawks and their opener and I believe twenty fourteen

933
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 2: where he had the hot trick three touchdowns to upset

934
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: the defending champions, like it was. He's a part of

935
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: many of my memories, of course, and certainly one of

936
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 2: my favorite players on the Chargers of all time. Yeah.

937
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: So, like I said, I encourage anybody who's attending on

938
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: Sunday to stay there at halftime in your seats and

939
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: be able to participate in that in a little bit

940
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: of a ceremony. So getting to this game specifically in

941
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: our time here, I do want to highlight this because

942
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: this Sunday against the Broncos is essentially an elimination game

943
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: for either team. You know, the Broncos have had this

944
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: recent you know search here they won five games that

945
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: are obviously they lost to the Texans. The Chargers are

946
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,919
Speaker 1: still kind of hovering at a point where they could

947
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: presumably make or run like make things right. So as

948
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: it currently stands, according to New York Times, the Chargers

949
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: have an eight percent chance at the playoffs, and sumer

950
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: Sports has them at nine point one percent. The Broncos

951
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: are a little bit better here. I think they're around

952
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: twenty percent in most cases. Obviously they have a better

953
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: record right now the Chargers. If they lose this game,

954
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: they're at less than a two percent chance on both

955
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: of those two sites. In terms of making the playoffs.

956
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 1: The Broncos go from around twenty percent to around ten percent. Obviously,

957
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: the AFC a lot has been changing. Trelor Lawrence just

958
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: got injured. Obviously, Joe Burrow is injured. But essentially Tyler,

959
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: this is an elimination game for the Chargers if they lose.

960
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: You know, right now, the things are looking bleak in

961
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: terms of their playoff chances. But if they lose, that's

962
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: pretty much all she wrote in terms of making the playoffs.

963
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: So I know that there's still a lot of people

964
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: hoping that this team makes a run in the playoffs. Obviously,

965
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: we both would love to see them make a run

966
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: of the playoffs. That's the goal, obviously, to get into

967
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: the dance. But if they lose this game, it is

968
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 1: essentially over.

969
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: What is being a fan if not basically, assuming your

970
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: team is completely out of the postseason after four losses

971
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 2: only to go check the NFL playoff predictor after they

972
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: win a six to zero game against the Patriots, that's

973
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 2: just fandom, right, fanatic?

974
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: Right?

975
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? It was definitely looking at that, and certainly looking

976
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 2: at all the injuries at quarterback that are going on

977
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 2: the AF seed right now, it feels like there's an

978
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 2: opportunity for a team to sneak in because of those

979
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: And we'll see what the ramifications of all these injuries

980
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 2: are over the next few weeks. But yeah, man, this

981
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: this is it. This is it, Like, this is potentially

982
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 2: the season if they charges lose this, if they lose,

983
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: that's the season. One percent. I don't believe there's a

984
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: team that's made it from one percent odds all the

985
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 2: way to making into the postseason. I can't imagine that

986
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 2: there was. So while it has not been officially the

987
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: end of the season so far for the Chargers, it

988
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 2: basically ends on Sunday if they lose and they can't.

989
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: And I think it's going to come down to your

990
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 2: star players, all the way down to your special teams unit,

991
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 2: which is really good, all the way down to your

992
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,919
Speaker 2: backups like Bassie, not starter now like Bassie, like these

993
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 2: guys to get it done. And I think the Chargers,

994
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 2: at least at home against the Broncos, will be up

995
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 2: for the task. The games after that where they have

996
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 2: to travel to Denver stuff like that, that it is

997
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 2: a different story.

998
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, the the overall intensity of

999
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: this game should really ratchet up. Obviously it's a division

1000
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: rival game. I've said this before. I know a lot

1001
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: of Chargers fans have felt this too, that like the

1002
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: Broncos have kind of felt like more of like the

1003
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: emotional rival for the Chargers for most of my life.

1004
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: I grew up in Utah, Like most people in Utah

1005
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 1: are Broncos fans, So for me that was always kind

1006
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: of like the rival. Obviously there was like the Phil

1007
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: Rivers Jake Culer stuff back in the day, and then

1008
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: the Broncos win those two Super Bowls. So obviously the

1009
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: Chiefs now are like the top dog. But this is

1010
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: a super important game because this could signify the end

1011
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: of this season, Whereas if you beat this team, you

1012
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: could potentially still have chance at the rest of your

1013
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: reaching your goals. Like it's not necessarily control your desty,

1014
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: it's definitely not control your own destiny. But if you

1015
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: can win this game, you know, you're you're sitting at

1016
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: six and seven, You're you're sitting in this spot where

1017
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: you can still potentially take advantage of all of these

1018
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: other AFC injuries, And like, as a casual fan of football,

1019
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: like I would like to see some healthy quarterbacks get

1020
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: into the playoffs. Man, Like I like no shade, but

1021
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: like I'm not super interested in watching Mitch Trubisky and

1022
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco, you know, start playoff games in the AFC

1023
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: wildcard picture, I would like to see Justin Herbert and

1024
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: Josh Allen and some healthy quarterbacks get into the playoffs.

1025
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: So if the Chargers can win this game, like I'm

1026
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: not gonna go full tilt obviously, but like you mentioned,

1027
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: like this is the fan experience. You know, I'm sitting

1028
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: there watching all these other quarterbacks get injured, and I'm like, man,

1029
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: like the Chargers if they could just like figure it

1030
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: out and go on a run, Like what if? Like

1031
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: what are the chances here? So it starts and ends

1032
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: on Sunday. This is essentially a playoff game for both

1033
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: teams because both teams, if they lose there, they're potentially

1034
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 1: sol in terms of the playoff picture.

1035
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, the playoffs start. They probably started last week honestly

1036
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 2: for the Chargers, but they're going to continue every week.

1037
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 2: Is you know, against an AFC opponent, against somebody that

1038
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: you could potentially either see in the postseason or they're

1039
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 2: in front of you in the standings or whatever. So yeah,

1040
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 2: the playoffs. Hey, we're in the playoffs. I think we

1041
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 2: did it. Does that mean we're in the playoffs? Is

1042
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 2: that didn't work a lout like that? No? I am excited.

1043
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 2: I think the Chargers. It's Look, it's more fun for

1044
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: us to talk about the Chargers after a win, and

1045
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 2: so hopefully they give us at least a few more

1046
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 2: weeks of this to carry on that hope, because that's

1047
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:00,439
Speaker 2: all we got.

1048
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll dive into this matchup more specifically on our show.

1049
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: But the key thing that I wanted to bring up today,

1050
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: the Broncos are living on explosive plays right now. Basically.

1051
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 1: What I mean by that is, specifically, their rushing offense

1052
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: has created off explosive runs at the fifth highest rate

1053
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: in the league right now, and they have the highest

1054
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: turnover rate over the last eight weeks. Basically, since they

1055
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: allowed seventy points, they have created more turnovers per game

1056
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: than any defense in the league. And that's how they

1057
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: have been able to get on this win streak. They

1058
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: create explosive runs, some explosive passes, they're certainly starting to

1059
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: figure out how to use Courtland Sutton specifically, and then

1060
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: they create turnovers a lot, specifically fumbles. They've had a

1061
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: lot of positive fumble regression over the last six or

1062
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 1: seven weeks. So those are two key things the Chargers

1063
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: have mostly done a great job of of limiting explosive

1064
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: runs on defense and limiting turnovers on offense. Those two

1065
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: areas are going to be absolutely crucial in order to

1066
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: win this game on Sunday, because that's basically how the

1067
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: Broncos have gotten hot over the last two months.

1068
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 2: Well, it's a good new It's a good thing that

1069
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 2: the Chargers have Khalil Mack and he's facing Mike mclinche,

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Speaker 2: who was fifth worst in the NFL in past blocking efficiency.

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Speaker 2: If Khalim Max's gonna go get that SEC record, Sunday's

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Speaker 2: a nice extra game to to go find out if

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Speaker 2: you can get there or not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, percent, all right, that's going to do it for

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Speaker 1: us today. Apologies for a bit of a longer show,

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Speaker 1: but we had a lot of things to cover here

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Speaker 1: with the segments and things like that. So you know,

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Speaker 1: hopefully you guys enjoy the show. Comment let us know.

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Speaker 1: We'll be sure to be on YouTube and interacting with

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Speaker 1: you guys. We always appreciate, appreciate all of that, like

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Speaker 1: the show. Subscribe to the Chargers channel and our own

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Speaker 1: channel over at the Guilty as Charge Podcast. We greatly

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Speaker 1: appreciate that support. That's going to do it for us today.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next week at this time. As always,

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Speaker 1: bold up mm hmm.