WEBVTT - Kidney Donation: You Could Be A Saint!

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of I

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark.

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<v Speaker 1>There's Charles w to Kidney Bryant, and there's Jerry over there,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is stuff you should know. The kid kidney

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<v Speaker 1>donation addition. Yeah, we did one on Oregon donation, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and we did one on kidney stones and put them together.

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<v Speaker 1>You get this episode. That's right, And this is from

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Bruce or pal and uh this good? Should we

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<v Speaker 1>should we? This good? It's that kind of day, how

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<v Speaker 1>it's going. Yeah, we're we're in person again, by the way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we should just tell everyone that I'm making a fool

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<v Speaker 1>of myself right in front of you for a change.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nice to see in person. Um. And I should

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<v Speaker 1>also point out them that this is a double Dave

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<v Speaker 1>Day because he did the last one too. Inflation right,

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<v Speaker 1>interest rates? Yeah, I forgot what we talked about. I've

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<v Speaker 1>already forgotten all of it. So Dave did some digging

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<v Speaker 1>for us UM and came up with some pretty surprising

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<v Speaker 1>stats that I certainly had no idea about. With kidney

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<v Speaker 1>disease in particular, but something like, of all American adults

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<v Speaker 1>have some form of chronic kidney disease. Thirty seven million

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<v Speaker 1>people right now, thirty seven million and ninety thousand Americans

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<v Speaker 1>are on the list waiting for a kidney transplant. And

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<v Speaker 1>each year, this is very sad, about five thousand Americans

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<v Speaker 1>die while waiting and another three thousand more become too

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<v Speaker 1>sick to get that transplant. So basically, eight thousand ish

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<v Speaker 1>people are either dying or on their way to dying

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<v Speaker 1>because they don't have a kidney that they can get right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then with you know, thirty seven million adults, just

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<v Speaker 1>the adults alone with some form of chronic kid of diseases,

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<v Speaker 1>their disease progresses, uh, they end up on the list,

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<v Speaker 1>the transplant list. So um, what we'll talk about in

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<v Speaker 1>this second. What's what's really interesting about kidneys, and in

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<v Speaker 1>particular kidney donations is it's one of a very select

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<v Speaker 1>few organs that you could donate while you're alive and

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<v Speaker 1>then whistle off back to your normal life. Down one kidney. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't donate your heart to somebody. It's very sweet gesture,

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<v Speaker 1>but you've got two kidneys, you only need one. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the number the percentages if you donate a kidney

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<v Speaker 1>which is interesting because the one kidney you have must

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<v Speaker 1>ramp up production because your kidney function only goes down

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<v Speaker 1>what was it fifteen or something like that, Yeah, something nothing, maybe, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not right, and that's definitely doable. Like you can

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<v Speaker 1>go through life with one kidney performing of your previous function.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's not bad. And we should probably just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of point out some of the amazing things the

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<v Speaker 1>kidneys do. There are these two fist size organs or

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<v Speaker 1>one um depending on whether you've donated or not. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>back to the show. Just just under your rib cage,

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<v Speaker 1>on either side of your spine. So have your loved

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<v Speaker 1>one make a fist with each and come up behind you,

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<v Speaker 1>put their fist under your rib cage gently. Yeah, just

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<v Speaker 1>on either side of your spine, and there's your kidneys,

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<v Speaker 1>right uh. And kidneys do a lot of things. The

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<v Speaker 1>main you know, like sort of the money job that

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<v Speaker 1>the kidneys do is they act as the filter system

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<v Speaker 1>for your for your blood. And that's the big thing.

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<v Speaker 1>They filter about two arts fluids every day. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>not just blood, that's blood and waste fluid. That's so much.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a lot a lot. Kidneys are always working. And

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<v Speaker 1>within the kidneys there are about one to one and

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<v Speaker 1>a half a mill allion tiny little filters inside the

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<v Speaker 1>kidney called nephrons. If you just think Nora ephron or

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<v Speaker 1>nefert d or nefert d uh, And those nephrons are

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<v Speaker 1>what's doing the actual filtering. They're just tiny little filters. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>They also what else they do? They also release a

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<v Speaker 1>hormone called uh erythra poton e p O. It regulates

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<v Speaker 1>production of red blood cells and bone marrow. Very big deal. Yeah. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>They also convert vitamin D from a non usable form

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<v Speaker 1>from like the sun, into a usable form, which is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty important because vitamin D helps you retain and absorbed

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<v Speaker 1>calcium and phosphorus for building bones, reduces inflammation, possibly combats

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<v Speaker 1>tumor growth. Um. And all this is coming from your

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<v Speaker 1>kidneys doing its thing. And then one other thing we

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<v Speaker 1>kind of skipped over a little bit, I think is

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<v Speaker 1>worth pointing. Out of those two hundred quarts of fluid

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<v Speaker 1>every day, two courts of it, I think you said,

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<v Speaker 1>is waste. You pee it out, It gets converted into

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<v Speaker 1>your and sent to the bladder and you pee it

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<v Speaker 1>out and finally chuck. Finally, the eight eight ounce classes

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<v Speaker 1>of water a day makes sense. It's not arbitrary anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>You never realized that, No, I never understood. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was actually made up an arbitrary number. That sixty

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<v Speaker 1>four ounces because that's how much you pee out on

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<v Speaker 1>a normal day, because that's how much your kidneys filter out.

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<v Speaker 1>Is waste, so you gotta replenish it. Yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 1>funny that. Well, I'm this day's old when I finally realized, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>what else? They also release a hormone called rennan regulate

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<v Speaker 1>your blood pressure, and we'll see blood pressure and kidneys

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot to do with one another. Yep. And

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<v Speaker 1>what else anything? You know what? I bet you there's

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<v Speaker 1>other things that kidney does it. It It just didn't like

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<v Speaker 1>to take credit for her. So. Um. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>problems with your kidneys is that they can break down.

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<v Speaker 1>They're susceptible to all sorts of other stuff going on

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<v Speaker 1>in your body. Um. And one of the big things

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<v Speaker 1>that put stress on your kidneys, well, two of the

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<v Speaker 1>big things that put stress on your kidneys is such

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<v Speaker 1>chuck colon. You've got blood pressure, high blood pressure, which

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<v Speaker 1>exerts pressure on the walls of your blood vessels. Which

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<v Speaker 1>in turn exerts pressure on your kidneys, damaging their function.

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<v Speaker 1>And the big one, the big daddy of what causes

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<v Speaker 1>kidney chronic kidney disease is diabetes. That's right, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>number one. High blood pressure is number two. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, basically high blood sugar is going to damage

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<v Speaker 1>the blood vessels in the kidney. It's gonna kill those

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<v Speaker 1>nephrons that we were talking about. Those are the filters

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<v Speaker 1>that actually do the filtering. And chronic c DK chronic

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<v Speaker 1>kidney sorry c KD, chronic kidney disease. Uh. They call

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<v Speaker 1>it the silent disease because you can be in you

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<v Speaker 1>can be through the first few stages of chronic kidney

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<v Speaker 1>disease and not feel any symptoms at all and not

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<v Speaker 1>know what's going on. So it's very dangerous. There are

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<v Speaker 1>five total, and stages one through four your kidneys are

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<v Speaker 1>still doing their thing, they're struggling. But stage five is

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<v Speaker 1>when you're in in stage renal disease or renal failure,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's when you your kidneys maybe aren't working at

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<v Speaker 1>all and you're going to dialysis every day and you

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<v Speaker 1>need a new kidney. Yes, um, And we'll talk a

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<v Speaker 1>little more about dialysis. But yes, once you hit stage five,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, you, your kidneys just aren't doing the work anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know it's not like they're just stop functioning

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<v Speaker 1>little by little, they're unable to filter out waste. So

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<v Speaker 1>the waste starts to accumulate and build up and you

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<v Speaker 1>have all sorts of terrible symptoms like nausea, UM, fatigue, vomiting.

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<v Speaker 1>You feel poisoned, is what I've heard. Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's basically what's going on. And your body is being

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<v Speaker 1>poisoned because it's no longer able to filter it out.

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<v Speaker 1>So UM. There's a lot of racial disparities too as

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<v Speaker 1>far as kid new diseases go, and apparently it tracks

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<v Speaker 1>very closely to UM uh diabetes. UM. Apparently, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a Black American, you are four times more likely to

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<v Speaker 1>have kidney failure UM than a white American, Hispanic Americans

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<v Speaker 1>one point three times, in Native Americans one point two times,

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<v Speaker 1>and again like that's those same rates are pretty close

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<v Speaker 1>to the disparity in diabetes. But also it has to

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<v Speaker 1>do with things like access to healthcare, access to certain

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of food that may not lead to diabetes or

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<v Speaker 1>will lead to diabetes. Um, there's a lot of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>kind of caught up into it that. Um, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>entirely straightforward that everybody has an equal opportunity to develop

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<v Speaker 1>kidney disease. Yeah, it's just I mean, it's really sad

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<v Speaker 1>that it it. You know, it seems like everything comes

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<v Speaker 1>down to money and access to money. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>live in the United States and you are somewhere on

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<v Speaker 1>the poverty spectrum, then you're more likely to not have healthcare,

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<v Speaker 1>not go to the doctor, eat worse food, get diabetes,

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<v Speaker 1>have kidneys fail. It's all sort of in lockstep with

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<v Speaker 1>one another. And then it gets even more insidious than

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<v Speaker 1>that because once you get the stage five you might

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<v Speaker 1>not have reliable transportation to go to dialysis, and dialysis

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<v Speaker 1>is extremely time consuming. It is, so it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be hard for you to keep doing a job. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>my neighbor before they moved and sadly he passed away,

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<v Speaker 1>Miss Jesse and Mr Otis he had his Uh, he

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<v Speaker 1>had the ambulance come or you know, it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>an ambulance, but it's not an emergency one. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>the transpo. They picked him up every day, took him

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<v Speaker 1>to dialysis. Brought him home and this was for the

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<v Speaker 1>last couple of years of his life, you know, going

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<v Speaker 1>every single day, and it's good. Dude. I wish I

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<v Speaker 1>would have gotten to him a little bit better before

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<v Speaker 1>he passed. But um so dialysis is short for hemo dialysis,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is literally just a machine that does the

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<v Speaker 1>filtering that your kidneys do. So you sit there for

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<v Speaker 1>or what is it like four hours, usually about three

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<v Speaker 1>times a week. Yeah, three times a week, four hour sessions,

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<v Speaker 1>and they just clean your blood in full with each session. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's like a little membrane that um doesn't let the

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<v Speaker 1>important stuff like red blood cells get through, but it

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<v Speaker 1>does let those waste products get through and they just

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<v Speaker 1>get slashed out, whereas the blood that doesn't go through

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<v Speaker 1>the membrane gets put back into your body. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're on dalysis for life until unless you can get

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<v Speaker 1>a new kidney, and then even if you do get

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<v Speaker 1>a new kidney, you might be on dalysis for a

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<v Speaker 1>little while, as we'll see. Yeah, So, Chuck, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like this is a good time to take a break.

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<v Speaker 1>Just off the top of my head, let's do it, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna take a break and we'll be right

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<v Speaker 1>back everybody. Okay. So it's not fun to have kidney failure,

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<v Speaker 1>especially stage five kidney failure, because you're going to dialysis

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<v Speaker 1>a lot um and there's a lot of terrible symptoms

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<v Speaker 1>involved in it. Um. If you are at that point,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to be put on UM an organ donation list.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to become a m a recipient or potential

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<v Speaker 1>recipient of a donated kidney. That's right, and that means

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<v Speaker 1>you have signed up with UH, the Organ Procurement and

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<v Speaker 1>Transplantation Network, which is managed by a nonprofit called the

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<v Speaker 1>United Network for organ sharing a lot worse places. You

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<v Speaker 1>can donate your money too, by the way, and it's UH.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Day points out astutely that it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>a waiting list, as in, you know, there's ninety thousand

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<v Speaker 1>people or more away eating for a kidney. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you sign up for one, then you have eighty nine

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<v Speaker 1>people in front of you, and it just very slowly,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that time ticks away. It's a network, it is,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a pool of candidates. And because you have to

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<v Speaker 1>get matched with a kidney, and there are all these criteria,

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<v Speaker 1>one of which is blood type UM don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>have necessarily exact blood type. I think if you have

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<v Speaker 1>like A, you can get a b uh So, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit across over there and oh is universal right?

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<v Speaker 1>How is it? Oh negative? We did a thing on

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<v Speaker 1>blood it was. It was a good one. We did

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<v Speaker 1>a live one, that's right. Remember my father in law

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<v Speaker 1>spoke up when I did a blood test. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>Josh is pregnant. That's right. He got more last than

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<v Speaker 1>all of mine combined that night. I remember that that

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<v Speaker 1>was a very like one of the only funny audience

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<v Speaker 1>jokes that we've ever had. It really was was yelled out,

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<v Speaker 1>it's high quality. Heckline. That was like, that's for the

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta Science vessel Um. Where was that? That just totally

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<v Speaker 1>through me that I'm trying to picture your break it

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<v Speaker 1>now we'll get a load of me, buddy. Uh So, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>blood type is one the size of the organ. It's

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<v Speaker 1>got to be a good fit. So like a little

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<v Speaker 1>kid can't get a big adult kidney. You wouldn't think

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<v Speaker 1>about that, but it is true. And I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>not just true with kidneys, with any oregan like I

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<v Speaker 1>saw it, put like a basketball players a long mon't

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<v Speaker 1>fit in a child. Right, It's like sure, yeah, those

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<v Speaker 1>are wise words. Good point. Uh. And then geography is

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<v Speaker 1>one because as you'll see, if you get a kidney

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<v Speaker 1>donated from someone that you don't know, it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>a family member, then that kidney is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>on ice basically for a little while. That's gonna be

0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:39.719
<v Speaker 1>transported maybe or maybe you're transported, but there's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of time. Uh. They don't just like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, put you on the table like in the

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<v Speaker 1>movies that put you on the table next to your brother,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would just like slide one kidney right in,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just across the room to the other. Right. So,

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<v Speaker 1>uh so geography is a consideration. So within this network,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a big garrhythm that's going to match

0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:03.800
<v Speaker 1>blood types and all these things. And like, hey, you

0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:08.080
<v Speaker 1>live in Birmingham. We got a kidney in Tuscaloosa, So

0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.800
<v Speaker 1>you guys are pretty good match. Yeah. And so with

0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:16.000
<v Speaker 1>each new organ that comes up for UM donation, uh,

0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:20.360
<v Speaker 1>you get a new a new score calculated by the computer.

0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.360
<v Speaker 1>Like it's not like you get your score as signed.

0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:26.400
<v Speaker 1>It's all contextual based on your relation to that organ.

0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.960
<v Speaker 1>That's that's being considered, that's being donated. Yeah, and also

0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.680
<v Speaker 1>we should point out that it's also based on your need,

0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:35.960
<v Speaker 1>like if you're you know, how urgent it is in

0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:38.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of cases. Yeah, it's also based though on

0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:40.880
<v Speaker 1>on some other stuff too, which is, you know, kind

0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:45.280
<v Speaker 1>of calculating. But it makes sense. Um, your age, the

0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:48.040
<v Speaker 1>younger you are, the higher your score, which makes it

0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.640
<v Speaker 1>likelier for you to get that um, the likelihood that

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<v Speaker 1>you will survive the procedure, the likelihood that you will

0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.920
<v Speaker 1>um reject the organ or not. Sensitization, I think is

0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.520
<v Speaker 1>what they call it. There's a bunch of different factors.

0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:07.360
<v Speaker 1>And this is fairly recent, this pool um um method. Uh,

0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.520
<v Speaker 1>and I it's kind of revolutionized things and apparently made

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<v Speaker 1>it a lot better a lot um it's from what

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<v Speaker 1>I understand, it's a lot more sensible and fair. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it also makes sense, like once you see the numbers,

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<v Speaker 1>like every kidney is super important, and so they want

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<v Speaker 1>to give them to people where you have the best

0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.000
<v Speaker 1>chance for that kidney to work over you know, for

0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:32.640
<v Speaker 1>ten to fifteen twenty years. Yeah. I can't waste no

0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:36.320
<v Speaker 1>kidney left behind. No, Oh man, can you imagine if

0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:39.200
<v Speaker 1>they were just like, oh, we left it on the plane,

0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:42.880
<v Speaker 1>just forget about it. You're like, I just donated that

0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:47.880
<v Speaker 1>kidney for nothing, Right, it's in the trash. Now there's

0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.440
<v Speaker 1>a story out there, and I kind of want to

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<v Speaker 1>hear it. See. I pictured more like Cheech and Chong.

0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:55.560
<v Speaker 1>We're piloting the plane and they're like, what's in the

0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:58.560
<v Speaker 1>cooler man? And all of a sudden it's a movie

0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:02.440
<v Speaker 1>they're looking for like some some ah good marijuana. That

0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.680
<v Speaker 1>reminds me of Snoop Dogg as the pilot. Sole Plaine.

0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.040
<v Speaker 1>I never saw that was like, you know, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>at all at all. Yeah. It looked like a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of homage to the sort of bad seventies comedies. You know.

0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.200
<v Speaker 1>It was where there was no It was like, hey,

0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:22.320
<v Speaker 1>here's an idea. Let's get a bunch of like funny

0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:26.680
<v Speaker 1>people and get them really high or drunk, and there's

0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:32.120
<v Speaker 1>your movie. That that was exactly what is an airport? Right?

0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:34.960
<v Speaker 1>That's the that's the twist, all right, I'm not going

0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.840
<v Speaker 1>to see it twist. Yeah, no, there's no reason to.

0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:42.840
<v Speaker 1>I demand that you not see it. Actually, how are

0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:44.720
<v Speaker 1>you gonna sign up to be an organ donor? What

0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.160
<v Speaker 1>are the couple of good ways you can do that. Well.

0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.920
<v Speaker 1>One way is whenever you go get your license renewed

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<v Speaker 1>at the old d m V in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>uh or the d m V in France. Um, they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna ask you if you want to be an organ

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<v Speaker 1>donor and and you can say yes, and they will

0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.480
<v Speaker 1>put it on your license, yes organ donor. So that

0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:09.840
<v Speaker 1>if you you know, by the farm out and about,

0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.640
<v Speaker 1>and you've got your driver's license on you, the doctors

0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:14.400
<v Speaker 1>and the people at the hospital are going to look

0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:16.440
<v Speaker 1>at your I D. And if they see yes, they're

0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:18.880
<v Speaker 1>going to go to your family and say, your your

0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:22.879
<v Speaker 1>loved one here, um who's now regretfully deceased, said that

0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.200
<v Speaker 1>they want to donate their organs or will you sign

0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.240
<v Speaker 1>off on this? It seems to have been their wishes.

0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.320
<v Speaker 1>And you can still say no if you're a family member,

0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:34.280
<v Speaker 1>but um, probably you're going to say yes, especially if

0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:38.639
<v Speaker 1>you're deceased loved one said Hey, I marked yes my

0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:41.600
<v Speaker 1>that I want to donate organs on my driver's license.

0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.760
<v Speaker 1>If I die, make sure my organs get donated. They're

0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:46.880
<v Speaker 1>probably gonna go along with it. Yeah, I think it's

0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:50.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of funny that I wonder what percentage of people

0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:52.120
<v Speaker 1>that sign up at the d m V for organ

0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.720
<v Speaker 1>donation and the kid needs that actually go to other

0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:59.000
<v Speaker 1>people and organs that successfully save lives. How many of

0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:05.840
<v Speaker 1>those start with the two words why not? Yet you're

0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:08.280
<v Speaker 1>at the d m V, you're bored out of your mind,

0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:10.360
<v Speaker 1>you've been there for far too long, and they ask

0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.680
<v Speaker 1>you this question, you go, yes, why not? Yeah, that

0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.199
<v Speaker 1>is the most interesting question you've been asked in that

0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:18.439
<v Speaker 1>whole experience, Like, maybe the biggest question you can answer

0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:20.840
<v Speaker 1>in your life is whether or not you will donate

0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.720
<v Speaker 1>your kidneys and your organs to save a human life.

0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:27.119
<v Speaker 1>And people probably just go, yeah, why not. So if

0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.240
<v Speaker 1>you've been to the d m V and you said no,

0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:33.600
<v Speaker 1>and you okay, But if you said no you wanted

0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:37.920
<v Speaker 1>to your you can still go in register right, Yeah,

0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:41.520
<v Speaker 1>You've got to register me m E dot org and

0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:46.320
<v Speaker 1>you can register there. Uh, and here's the deal in one,

0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:49.680
<v Speaker 1>here's some more stats for you. There were forty thousand

0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:54.639
<v Speaker 1>total organ transplants. I think most of those are I

0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:58.720
<v Speaker 1>think was it like or kidney transplants? Far and away

0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:03.399
<v Speaker 1>the most are kidney transplants, and only six hundred of

0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:07.840
<v Speaker 1>those forty five. Uh, came from living donors, which was

0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.040
<v Speaker 1>I have a relative or I'm just a benevolent human

0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:15.360
<v Speaker 1>who wants to give a kidney to anonymously to somebody.

0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:18.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, talk about st hood. Uh So two

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<v Speaker 1>thirds of all kidney transplants are from deceased donors. So,

0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:25.240
<v Speaker 1>like you said, it's a lot of times it's accidents,

0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:28.560
<v Speaker 1>car and motorcycle accidents where there's like traumatic head injury,

0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:31.200
<v Speaker 1>uh in the but the organs are still in pretty

0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:35.480
<v Speaker 1>good shape. You're young, you're in good shape, and so um,

0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:37.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, you may be brain dead, and they can

0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:40.520
<v Speaker 1>the word harvests always sounds so cruel, but they can,

0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:44.560
<v Speaker 1>they can harvest borrow your organs. No, it's hardly, it's

0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:48.879
<v Speaker 1>definitely harvest. Remember in our our book of that chapter

0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:52.000
<v Speaker 1>in Jack Kevorkian he had that that idea in the

0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:55.040
<v Speaker 1>I think sixties or seventies where he was like, well,

0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:57.640
<v Speaker 1>we're going to execute people, let's just execute them through

0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:01.200
<v Speaker 1>organ harvesting. You know, we' started to perform surgery on

0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.640
<v Speaker 1>him and we harvest their organs and then once we're done,

0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:07.640
<v Speaker 1>they're just they're dead, right, Yeah, then we're joining their

0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:10.040
<v Speaker 1>organs and everybody's like, it's a really great idea, but

0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:12.679
<v Speaker 1>you're creepy, dude, and I think you're the last person

0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:16.160
<v Speaker 1>who should be espousing this kind of stuff. Well, maybe

0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:21.640
<v Speaker 1>he shouldn't have expressed this idea while imitating Verner Hertzog, right,

0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:25.439
<v Speaker 1>and where are your pants? That's right? Uh? So that

0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:28.439
<v Speaker 1>means at the end of the day, one human body

0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:33.439
<v Speaker 1>can save uh up to Nold does a pretty good

0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Verna herd so he's yeah, but the best ever is

0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Paula Tompkins his Verner fantast Just look it up on

0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:45.000
<v Speaker 1>the internet. It's great, one single human body an organ

0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.959
<v Speaker 1>donor can save up to eight lives. Uh. And that

0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:50.359
<v Speaker 1>is just with the organs. And then you've got tissue donation.

0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:54.200
<v Speaker 1>You've got eyes that can bring sight to someone. We

0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:58.280
<v Speaker 1>should totally do one on Ie the transplants. Yeah, might

0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:02.480
<v Speaker 1>also show you the killer of the person whose eyes

0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:06.560
<v Speaker 1>you got, in which case you're morally responsible for chasing

0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:09.320
<v Speaker 1>that killer down and turning them into bringing the justice

0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:13.159
<v Speaker 1>or exacting revenge. If it's a really good movie, a

0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:16.520
<v Speaker 1>bridget Fon type movie, was that then the actual plot

0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:18.960
<v Speaker 1>of one? Or was it was that just a typical

0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:21.000
<v Speaker 1>movie plot? I don't remember who was in it though,

0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:25.720
<v Speaker 1>Jennifer eight, I don't know. No No, Jennifer eight was a

0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:30.199
<v Speaker 1>blind woman, a sightless woman who was going to be

0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:34.359
<v Speaker 1>the eighth victim of a serial color who's targeting blind women.

0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:38.840
<v Speaker 1>And I could spoil it for everybody. I'm not going to.

0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:41.199
<v Speaker 1>It's actually we're seeing it's a good Nighties movie with

0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:46.160
<v Speaker 1>Andy Garcia and yeah, I don't remember what was it. Yeah,

0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:48.200
<v Speaker 1>it's good, good movie. I think it's out there still,

0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:52.240
<v Speaker 1>or I'm thinking of the movie, uh where the guy

0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:56.159
<v Speaker 1>got the hand transplant and the hand was from a

0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:59.239
<v Speaker 1>serial killer and so he got a bad hand that

0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:03.399
<v Speaker 1>wanted to do bad things. Jeff Fahey, I think the

0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:07.639
<v Speaker 1>lawnmower man. But Jeff Ahey was the lawnmower man. Okay,

0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:10.560
<v Speaker 1>I never saw that one. I mean it might have

0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:13.440
<v Speaker 1>been called something as basically like bad Hand. Was it

0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:18.040
<v Speaker 1>called idle Hands? No, that was different, and that was

0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:20.320
<v Speaker 1>not good. I'll look it up, and well, well how

0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:23.000
<v Speaker 1>about this, so folks stick around for the stormail. We'll

0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:25.320
<v Speaker 1>look it up. In the interim, we'll announce it at

0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:27.880
<v Speaker 1>the beginning of Finally, year fourteen, we've got a new

0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:30.239
<v Speaker 1>hook for the show. Or maybe I can just make

0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:34.479
<v Speaker 1>up an email that fake Jeff Ahey sent in. Remember me,

0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:41.399
<v Speaker 1>we need to fake Jeff Ahey sound effect like side effect? Uh? Alright,

0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:44.280
<v Speaker 1>So living donation is something we should talk about. This is,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said at the beginning, one of the only

0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:50.280
<v Speaker 1>organs you can donate, I mean, is it the only one? No,

0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:54.359
<v Speaker 1>you can also donate his portion of your uterus and

0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:58.000
<v Speaker 1>a portion of your liver, okay portions, yes, But other

0:22:58.040 --> 0:23:02.320
<v Speaker 1>than that, that's it. Right. So I got a little

0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:06.520
<v Speaker 1>bit of history here. Um, if you're talking kidney transplants,

0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:09.160
<v Speaker 1>you gotta go back to nineteen o two was when

0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:14.600
<v Speaker 1>they did a dog kidney transplant in Austria. The dog

0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:17.680
<v Speaker 1>did not make it, of course, but the it did

0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:20.360
<v Speaker 1>produce urine for a couple of days. The kidney man

0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:23.080
<v Speaker 1>not bad, I know. And that really just kind of

0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:26.040
<v Speaker 1>takes you back to some nineteen o two really unseatily

0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:31.640
<v Speaker 1>black and white view of like some terrible experiment. Yeah, um,

0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:34.400
<v Speaker 1>let me see. In nineteen o nine, apparently there were

0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:40.560
<v Speaker 1>efforts to transplant kidneys from humans dead humans to monkeys

0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:46.080
<v Speaker 1>as you do. Thirty nine, the first deceased human donor

0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:49.480
<v Speaker 1>I think was performed in Russia. But the organ it

0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:51.399
<v Speaker 1>didn't take. Organ never worked, but they tried it. In

0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:54.960
<v Speaker 1>thirty nine, they tried their best. From human to human. Uh.

0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Fifty three, you finally had your first successful temporary human

0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:02.959
<v Speaker 1>kidney trans in Paris. It was twins, right, Uh sixteen,

0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:06.879
<v Speaker 1>your boy received one from his mother as a living donor.

0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:09.800
<v Speaker 1>And then fifty four I think was the twins. It

0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:13.840
<v Speaker 1>was the first long term successful kidney transplant by Joseph Murray.

0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:17.760
<v Speaker 1>He won a Nobel Prize for that, sure. And then

0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:22.080
<v Speaker 1>sixty two is the first non related no genetics involved whatsoever.

0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:25.640
<v Speaker 1>So it's only been since the nineteen fifties nineteen sixties

0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:29.280
<v Speaker 1>that we've been able to successfully transplant kidneys. But once

0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:32.320
<v Speaker 1>we got it, we got it pretty good. Yeah, we

0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:34.439
<v Speaker 1>have it down path. Let's do this a lot, guys.

0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:37.520
<v Speaker 1>This is fun. So um. If you are a living

0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:39.719
<v Speaker 1>donor and you do donate your kidney, I think it

0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:44.359
<v Speaker 1>makes out about a quarter of kidney donations today, right, Yeah,

0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:48.120
<v Speaker 1>is a living donor somebody saying, take my kidney, put

0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:51.920
<v Speaker 1>it in somebody else. More often than not, it's put

0:24:51.960 --> 0:24:55.920
<v Speaker 1>it in my brother, put it in my spouse. Three

0:24:56.000 --> 0:25:00.560
<v Speaker 1>quarters of the time it's you're related. Um, but there's

0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:06.960
<v Speaker 1>that still means that of all kidney donations, So that means, however,

0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:13.560
<v Speaker 1>many thousand kidney donations are are donated by people who

0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:15.520
<v Speaker 1>are just saying like, here, take my kidney and give

0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:19.240
<v Speaker 1>it to whoever needs it. That's right. And sometimes that

0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:23.400
<v Speaker 1>it's anonymously. Sometimes it's a friend, sometimes it's a spouse.

0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you hear about someone in your community. But yeah,

0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:30.359
<v Speaker 1>sometimes it's you don't even know anybody, and you're just like,

0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:33.000
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I'm gonna save a life. Yeah, I'm

0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:35.600
<v Speaker 1>at the d m V right, I don't want to

0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:37.760
<v Speaker 1>save a life. Yeah, I'm gonna do it. So if

0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 1>you do do that, you're a living donor UM. And

0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:46.280
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of advantages to a living donation compared

0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:50.840
<v Speaker 1>to a dead deceased donation donation. You know, an organ

0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:54.639
<v Speaker 1>taken from somebody who's died, right, UM. So if you

0:25:54.720 --> 0:26:00.520
<v Speaker 1>donate your kidney, UM, there's like the chances of the

0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:05.520
<v Speaker 1>kidney being rejected are lower compared to a deceased donor UM.

0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:10.240
<v Speaker 1>The the kidney will probably start functioning independently, like on

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:14.680
<v Speaker 1>its own UM much more quickly than a deceased donor

0:26:14.760 --> 0:26:17.400
<v Speaker 1>one because the deceased donor one is going to be

0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:21.680
<v Speaker 1>um basically put on ice for a little while while

0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:27.520
<v Speaker 1>it's transported kept you know kind of you know, yes, exactly. Um.

0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:31.560
<v Speaker 1>There's also, um, a difference in the amount of time

0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:34.879
<v Speaker 1>that the average kidney lasts between a deceased donor and

0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:37.560
<v Speaker 1>a living donor. Right. Yeah, Well you tend to live

0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:40.520
<v Speaker 1>longer and your kidney last between fifteen and twenty years

0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:43.640
<v Speaker 1>on average from a living donor. Uh, It's only about

0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 1>a decade from a deceased owner. And you also have

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:52.320
<v Speaker 1>a better chance if you are genetically related of avoiding rejection.

0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:58.280
<v Speaker 1>So living genetically related living donor is like the crime

0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:02.040
<v Speaker 1>dela crime of getting a kidney, right exactly. Um. There's

0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:06.359
<v Speaker 1>also more convenient to um if you are a living donor.

0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 1>You can say, let's do this like a week from Tuesday.

0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:13.280
<v Speaker 1>That works best for me, not this guy just died.

0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:14.879
<v Speaker 1>We need to we need to get this into a

0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:18.160
<v Speaker 1>recipient like as soon as possible. Um it, let's find

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:21.240
<v Speaker 1>somebody kind of thing, you know what I mean? Um,

0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:25.760
<v Speaker 1>So that that's that's another big advantage too. So I

0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:29.920
<v Speaker 1>think we've established here living kidney donations are the way

0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:32.680
<v Speaker 1>to go if you can do it from a relatively

0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:35.960
<v Speaker 1>So let's take a break, because, um, there's actually ways

0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:40.680
<v Speaker 1>to maximize how kidneys get donated, chuck, and we're gonna

0:27:40.720 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 1>tell everybody about it after this. Let's do it alright.

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:11.040
<v Speaker 1>So on the kidney exchange, it's pretty cool how they've

0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:14.439
<v Speaker 1>worked this out over the years. Uh. There's something called

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:18.680
<v Speaker 1>paired exchanges, and it goes a little something like this.

0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:24.040
<v Speaker 1>You want to donate a kidney to your relative, to

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:27.320
<v Speaker 1>your to your niece, but you don't have the right

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:30.199
<v Speaker 1>blood type. You can get paired up with someone who

0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:32.640
<v Speaker 1>does have the right blood type who needs your kidney.

0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 1>They'll be like, wait a minute, my niece needs a kidney.

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:39.520
<v Speaker 1>You've got her blood type and I've got your nieces

0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 1>blood type. So let's just get together and make this

0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 1>all work out criss cross paired exchange. But then that

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:52.520
<v Speaker 1>is multiplied exponentially by the donor chain, right, yes, So

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 1>like if if you have a good computer handy to

0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:00.600
<v Speaker 1>run an algorithm for you, because apparently it's very difficult

0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:03.760
<v Speaker 1>to do, Um, you can take a bunch of these

0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:07.120
<v Speaker 1>mismatched pairs rather than four people, you can take I

0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 1>think up to seventy people, and one good Samaritan donor

0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:14.800
<v Speaker 1>who says, take my kidney, I don't care who gets

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 1>it can set off a chain of paired matching that

0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 1>can satisfy up to seventy seventy recipients through the through

0:29:25.720 --> 0:29:29.719
<v Speaker 1>a combination of one person donating it without any you know,

0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:32.240
<v Speaker 1>just saying take my kidney, put in somebody, and then

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:37.040
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of paired, paired matches all all like seventy people.

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 1>So it makes it really difficult to say, like, I

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 1>don't really want to donate my kidney, when not only

0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:47.480
<v Speaker 1>are you saving one person's life, you're setting off a

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 1>chain reaction that allows for seventy different people to get

0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 1>their kidney because you donated yours without without directing it

0:29:57.080 --> 0:30:00.160
<v Speaker 1>towards anybody in particular. And if that's not the first

0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 1>thing you say on every first date you go to

0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 1>for the rest of your life, right, then you're doing

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 1>it wrong. We should mention that the there was a

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Nobel Prize winning economist named Alvin Roth who who came

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:14.160
<v Speaker 1>up with his donor chain idea. And I don't think

0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:17.040
<v Speaker 1>we said you, um, you have to be eighteen to

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:19.640
<v Speaker 1>donate a kidney you have to be in good health

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 1>and you have like rock and kidneys basically, and also

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 1>in good health otherwise, Yeah, like a sixteen year old

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:30.920
<v Speaker 1>can't donate a kid That's the other reason why a

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:34.120
<v Speaker 1>living donor is advantageous because of that luxury of time,

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 1>because you can run a battery of tests. Yes, you

0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:38.480
<v Speaker 1>have time to run tons of tests to make sure

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:41.280
<v Speaker 1>they're a perfect match for this other person. That's right.

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:43.880
<v Speaker 1>So when you do say okay, I'm gonna do it.

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 1>And by the way, uh Dave said from researching this,

0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:49.600
<v Speaker 1>he was inspired to do it. I think he may

0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:51.760
<v Speaker 1>have put himself on a list or was going to

0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>although it may have worn off by now, who knows,

0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 1>we'll have to ask him. But if you do this, um,

0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:02.800
<v Speaker 1>you are going to undergo surgery. Um. It's just as

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 1>simple as that. And it's a serious surgery, like they're

0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:08.000
<v Speaker 1>removing your kidney. Like I said, we've got it down

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 1>pat since we've been doing it since the fifties or sixties,

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 1>and now they can usually do it laparoscopically. How does

0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 1>that work? I think they just squeeze it real tightened.

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 1>It's really long, pencil like really, Now, how do they

0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 1>get the kidney out. I don't know. I have no idea.

0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 1>That's the one thing that Flum makes me and I

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>almost like Google to see if I could find, you know,

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:35.480
<v Speaker 1>a surgery. I could watch laparoscopic kidney removal, because laparoscopic

0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:39.200
<v Speaker 1>means it's like a very small incision using very very

0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 1>thin like cameras and very thin tools. But then how

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:45.360
<v Speaker 1>do you get the kidney out if it's fist size?

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:47.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean this is larger than a

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:52.960
<v Speaker 1>laparoscopic you know in decision, Yeah, this is a window

0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 1>maker right here? Uh and here to me is the

0:31:56.680 --> 0:32:01.040
<v Speaker 1>fact of the show. I never knew this. They don't

0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:04.360
<v Speaker 1>take out your bad kidney. Did not know that. They

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 1>just leave it in there. I guess they did the

0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:11.680
<v Speaker 1>research and found out that they didn't need to and

0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't do any harm and maybe me more dangerous

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 1>to take it out, you can see that than to

0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:18.400
<v Speaker 1>leave it in. But you end up if you have

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 1>a kidney with three kidneys. Yeah, so I don't I mean,

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 1>surely they detach those kidneys, yeah, because you got to

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:28.800
<v Speaker 1>attach the other right, Yeah, I guess so, so that's

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 1>what they do. The surgery is to they take it out.

0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Of you. And at that point you're like, okay, I'm done.

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:35.920
<v Speaker 1>It's all recovery for me. But they have to put

0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 1>it in the other person. And like you said, they

0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:40.640
<v Speaker 1>leave the other kidneys. They attached the one to the

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 1>blood vessels so that it's you know, getting the blood

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:46.080
<v Speaker 1>supply to filter, and then also they attach it to

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:50.760
<v Speaker 1>your reader, um, so that it can transport waste to

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 1>your bladder. And I supposedly it's actually a pretty effective

0:32:56.240 --> 0:33:02.520
<v Speaker 1>surgery and with minimal um uh negative outcomes. Yeah. Recovery

0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 1>time for the donors, a couple of days in the hospital,

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:08.720
<v Speaker 1>one to two weeks at home, six to eight weeks total,

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 1>and then you've got to come in at six, twelve

0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:16.240
<v Speaker 1>and twenty four months for checkups. Um. Like uh, we said,

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 1>you lose twenty five to thirty five of your kidney function,

0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:22.240
<v Speaker 1>but that's not fifties, so your one kidney must like

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 1>ramp it up. Um. And then you said, pretty good

0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 1>outcomes there. I think this is between two thousand and

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:32.760
<v Speaker 1>six and two thousand eight of the seventeen thousand. Oh,

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 1>there's your number right there. If the numbers hold, that

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 1>would be seventeen thousand over three years, So about five,

0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:43.520
<v Speaker 1>five thousand and change year at least back then unless

0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:49.200
<v Speaker 1>there's been a rush. Um. Only twelve donor deaths out

0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:52.240
<v Speaker 1>of the seventeen thousand, four hundred and two, and only

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:57.320
<v Speaker 1>one of those was from the surgery from like hemorrhaging, hemorrhaging, hemorrhagering.

0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:07.680
<v Speaker 1>It's close him, hemoraging, hemorrhaging. God, that sounds weird. Hemorrhaging, hemorrhaging. Yeah, okay,

0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:12.719
<v Speaker 1>it was purposely weird during surgery. Yeah, bleeding too much

0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:15.440
<v Speaker 1>and don't forget to complete the sentence. That was very

0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:20.120
<v Speaker 1>porky pick of me. So um, yeah, that's a pretty

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:25.319
<v Speaker 1>good trek record. Twelve deaths out of four hundred and

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:29.919
<v Speaker 1>two transplants. Um. They also studied people for long term

0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:33.520
<v Speaker 1>effects and found that somebody who had donated kidney had

0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 1>about the same um chance of suffering and stage renal

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 1>failure as the general population, so it didn't increase their

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 1>chances one bit. And I was like, okay, alright, Internet,

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:49.080
<v Speaker 1>let me go a few more pages deep, like where's

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 1>where's the where's the real talk about the long term

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:57.319
<v Speaker 1>consequences of donating a kidney? And from what I can see,

0:34:57.400 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 1>study after study is shows like there's really not any

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:06.880
<v Speaker 1>long term effects. Um that after about six or eight

0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:09.040
<v Speaker 1>weeks of recovery, you can go back to a normal life.

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:12.480
<v Speaker 1>During that time, you're gonna feel very fatigued. Your function

0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:15.120
<v Speaker 1>is going to be decreased. But if you say I'm

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:18.080
<v Speaker 1>donating my kidney, I'm just gonna take two months off

0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:22.960
<v Speaker 1>basically um of life, you know, like stressful life. Um,

0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:25.880
<v Speaker 1>that's really not too bad considering that you basically go

0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:29.200
<v Speaker 1>back to normal life after two months and your kidney,

0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 1>the one kidney you have, is still doing of the

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:35.320
<v Speaker 1>original function. Yeah, like if you work from home, you

0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:39.960
<v Speaker 1>have no excuse exactly. Uh, Dave did put in here,

0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:41.759
<v Speaker 1>And I looked into this a little more that a

0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:45.440
<v Speaker 1>drawback might be, Um, it might affect your life insurance

0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:48.440
<v Speaker 1>or disqualify you or increase your rates. So I poked

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:51.640
<v Speaker 1>around that because that sounded like a horrible thing. Uh,

0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:54.960
<v Speaker 1>And it wouldn't have surprised me. But it looks like

0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:57.239
<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of protections in place from the

0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Affordable Care Act for stuff like this. Thankfully, And if

0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:05.480
<v Speaker 1>you have never had insurance, you have your kidney removed

0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:07.760
<v Speaker 1>and you go to get life insurance for the first time,

0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:10.920
<v Speaker 1>then you may not be able to get it as easily.

0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:14.280
<v Speaker 1>But you know, you're not booted from your life insurance

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:17.839
<v Speaker 1>policy because you donated a kidney, or your rates aren't

0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:21.359
<v Speaker 1>gonna skyrocket because you donated a kidney. It's against the law.

0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:26.120
<v Speaker 1>It should be. Yeah, So, um, there's a risk of rejection,

0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Like that's something you have to go into it knowing,

0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:30.399
<v Speaker 1>like you might donate your kidney and it just might

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:33.920
<v Speaker 1>not work, probably just by all the tests, despite all

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 1>of the um the care given into matching you and

0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:41.759
<v Speaker 1>your kidney with a recipient, it still might get rejected.

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:45.280
<v Speaker 1>But they have developed um a lot of different drugs

0:36:45.880 --> 0:36:49.440
<v Speaker 1>to cut down on the chance of rejection. Right. Yeah,

0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:53.319
<v Speaker 1>they're called anti rejection drugs or immunosuppressants, And there are

0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:57.440
<v Speaker 1>a couple kinds. There's one that they that are super

0:36:57.440 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 1>powerful that they give you at the time of the

0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:03.879
<v Speaker 1>transplant called induction agents, and then you've got maintenance agents. Uh.

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:07.120
<v Speaker 1>And there were basically four different kinds of maintenance agents.

0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:09.640
<v Speaker 1>And the way this one website I saw put it,

0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:12.560
<v Speaker 1>I think it was a kidney dot org or whatever

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:17.759
<v Speaker 1>uh was that they said, look at it, it's like

0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:21.640
<v Speaker 1>a mortgage, your down payment is the induction agent like

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 1>the heavy duty drugs they give you when they do

0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:26.200
<v Speaker 1>the transplant, and the maintenance agents are like your monthly payment,

0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:28.760
<v Speaker 1>and the bigger the down payment, the lower the monthly

0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:32.120
<v Speaker 1>So if you if the induction agents are really really

0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:34.359
<v Speaker 1>work well, then you're not going to be on as

0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:38.439
<v Speaker 1>many long term medications for maintenance. And I didn't really

0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:42.480
<v Speaker 1>recognize any of the drugs except for pregnisone, the steroid. Yeah,

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:45.080
<v Speaker 1>I didn't either. I saw the most common combination of

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:50.239
<v Speaker 1>drugs is three things, one called tachra limits which is

0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:59.200
<v Speaker 1>a calcine calcinevrin inhibitor, one called mico finilate mo fatil

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:03.200
<v Speaker 1>which is an anti proliferate, and then pregn his own.

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:08.360
<v Speaker 1>And I saw that you're generally on these for life,

0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:11.840
<v Speaker 1>but they can, you know, scale down. I don't know

0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:16.200
<v Speaker 1>if you're ever off of them completely. But um, yeah,

0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:20.720
<v Speaker 1>I think of kidney recipients experienced some sort of rejection,

0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:23.480
<v Speaker 1>so those But it doesn't necessarily it doesn't mean that

0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:26.440
<v Speaker 1>like that's it didn't work. I don't think the square

0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:28.759
<v Speaker 1>one necessarily. Yeah. I think like in a lot of

0:38:28.760 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 1>those cases, you can keep that kidney if the drugs

0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:35.839
<v Speaker 1>are working. So um the the entire thing, this entire thing.

0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:39.200
<v Speaker 1>But whether it's a dead donor, a deceased donor, sorry,

0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:41.560
<v Speaker 1>keep calling it dead donor, I know it's not quite right,

0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:46.160
<v Speaker 1>even though it's accurate, um or living donors of kidneys.

0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:50.880
<v Speaker 1>All of this is based on altruism. The entire organ

0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:55.400
<v Speaker 1>procurement organ donation system everywhere in the world save for

0:38:55.520 --> 0:39:00.400
<v Speaker 1>one country, is based on the kindness of of in

0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 1>generosity of donors who do it for no money whatsoever,

0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:07.600
<v Speaker 1>just out of the goodness of their hearty. And that's

0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:10.399
<v Speaker 1>the way that a lot of people think it should be.

0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:14.479
<v Speaker 1>That's the way that it's um. It's enshrined in law,

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:16.400
<v Speaker 1>that that's the way that it has to be. In

0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:21.000
<v Speaker 1>the United States, there's an UH law called the National

0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:25.160
<v Speaker 1>Organ Transplant Act of nine four UM that says you

0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:31.279
<v Speaker 1>cannot gain financially um or I can't remember exactly how

0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:33.440
<v Speaker 1>they put it, but you can't make any kind of

0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:38.799
<v Speaker 1>like gain from from donating your organ. And I was like, well,

0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:41.399
<v Speaker 1>where did that law come from? What prompted that? Well,

0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:44.080
<v Speaker 1>probably the black market for organs. H It turned out

0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:46.560
<v Speaker 1>there was there was a guy. So that was the

0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:51.200
<v Speaker 1>Act N two there was a doctor in Virginia named H.

0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Barry Jacobs who announced that he was setting up a

0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:58.360
<v Speaker 1>market for organs. He was going to create a brokerage

0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:02.000
<v Speaker 1>for organs. There's no federal law. Again, that's exactly right,

0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:04.160
<v Speaker 1>and so they went and made a federal law against

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<v Speaker 1>it because they're like, that is objectively unethical and immoral,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's kind of the basis for organ donation in

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<v Speaker 1>this country, and again every country in the world except

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<v Speaker 1>for Iran, that it's unethical to make money selling organs

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<v Speaker 1>or to pay someone for the organs, because they're worried

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<v Speaker 1>that it sets off a whole cascade of problems. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they try and make it cost neutral for

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<v Speaker 1>the donor, which means your expenses are covered, like you're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna be paying like the recipient's insurance is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be paying for all the operations and surgeries and

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<v Speaker 1>all that stuff. And then there are uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>private nonprofits that can also help cover like travel and

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a low income donor, help pay for stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that, but you're still not getting like paid to

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<v Speaker 1>do it. And the idea there is ethically is that um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the dystopian science fiction plot, which is there's

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<v Speaker 1>a class of wealthy people who harvest the poor on

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<v Speaker 1>organ farms. And you know, it's like something out of

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<v Speaker 1>a movie, but it's also something that could very well

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<v Speaker 1>happen if you let that kind of thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>take place, uh, you know, black market human trafficking again

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<v Speaker 1>like you mentioned. And then another one I didn't think of,

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<v Speaker 1>is that, um the motivation for someone doing it if

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting paid like you may not, you may fudge

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit on your questionnaires, like fake something to

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<v Speaker 1>make money to get an organ taken out of your body.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like they've identified it as such a valuable

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<v Speaker 1>thing that you can't you can't assign any kind of

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<v Speaker 1>monetary value to it. You you can't allow that to

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<v Speaker 1>happen or else nothing but bad things are going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's actually polls that support this, although some people

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<v Speaker 1>say that's stupid, we should we No matter how how

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<v Speaker 1>many um generous people are donating organs, the demand is

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<v Speaker 1>still not there. I mean, you said it yourself. Like

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand people die on organ transplant waiting lists every

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<v Speaker 1>year in the United States alone. That's just in the

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<v Speaker 1>U S alone. People die all over the world on

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<v Speaker 1>organ transplant lists every year, and so people say that's stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>If people are willing to sell like their kidney in particular, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>let them do it. It's a free world, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>free country at least. So what's the problem. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the idea. I'm not libbying for this, but

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<v Speaker 1>they have floated things like a like a fifty dollar

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<v Speaker 1>tax rebate that you can absorb over like a decade,

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<v Speaker 1>or wipe out your student loans or something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>Like they're not literally just cutting you a check. Things

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<v Speaker 1>like that are interesting because, um, donating a kidney saves

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<v Speaker 1>taxpayers close to a hundred and fifty thousand dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>medical costs paid out by Medicare for dialysis and things

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<v Speaker 1>like at and there was another analysis that found that

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<v Speaker 1>paying donors forty dollars for kidney would result in a

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<v Speaker 1>net gain of forty six billion dollars in lowered medical

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<v Speaker 1>costs and better health overall health and outcomes. So like,

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<v Speaker 1>something like that is interesting, not just like harvesting organs

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<v Speaker 1>for cash, but if people want to take a big

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<v Speaker 1>fat tax rebate over a decade, it leads to less

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<v Speaker 1>taxpayer payouts for Medicaid and UH or for Medicare better

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<v Speaker 1>health outcomes. I don't know some we're thinking about. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and other people would say this, that's already going on.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a very healthy black market for organs all around

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<v Speaker 1>the world. I saw an estimate on some human trafficking

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<v Speaker 1>website that was something like ten thousand kidneys a year

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<v Speaker 1>are procured and transplanted on the black market. But then, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately you have there is one country, Iran it allows

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<v Speaker 1>payment for organs. Its something like and then also like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, it's a pretty in substantial amount if you're

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<v Speaker 1>selling a kidney compared to say, like the forty five

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<v Speaker 1>grand the US is considering, or I shouldn't say the

0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:14.000
<v Speaker 1>US is considering people Americans have come up within a study,

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<v Speaker 1>but um, the there is the one stat that stood

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<v Speaker 1>out to me that I think kind of suggests, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not applying money to organ procareman, is that of a

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand one study of three hundred Iranian paid organ

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<v Speaker 1>donors said that if they could go back, they would

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<v Speaker 1>not have sold their kidney. There you have it. Pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much anything else about kidney transplants and donations and all that. Well, again,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to uh donate your organs uh and

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<v Speaker 1>you aren't going to the d m V anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Go to register me dot org. Uh. And since I

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<v Speaker 1>said register me dot org, it's time for a listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call this dB Cooper follow up. Oh wow, no,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty interesting And this is from Holly. Hey, guys, Holly

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<v Speaker 1>from Texas here. I've been listening about six months and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm obsessed. Turned to the Facebook groups to suggest some

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<v Speaker 1>fan favorite episodes, and dB Cooper the live episode was

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned a lot, and it reminded me of a story

0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:23.960
<v Speaker 1>you might enjoy several years ago, as it a small

0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:26.800
<v Speaker 1>family gathering at my grandparents and we were sitting around

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<v Speaker 1>chatting about different topics of memories, and my grandma casually says, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just like the time when the FBI tapped our

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<v Speaker 1>phones because they thought Grandpa was TP Cooper WHOA. I

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<v Speaker 1>of course did a dramatic double take, slam both of

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<v Speaker 1>my hands on the table and exclaimed what I mean.

0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:44.840
<v Speaker 1>I was floored. At the time, I was in l

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<v Speaker 1>a thirties and never heard this story in my whole life.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing with grandparents, You hear this stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>how did I not know that I know? Um, I

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<v Speaker 1>of course had to dramatically turn to my grandpa with

0:45:56.000 --> 0:45:59.400
<v Speaker 1>narrowed eyes and say, who are you. My grandma was

0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:01.759
<v Speaker 1>very nonchal line about the whole thing, and I was like, wait, wait, wait,

0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:04.600
<v Speaker 1>explain please. She didn't have much more info, but I

0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:08.359
<v Speaker 1>guess my grandpa was cleared obviously. Uh. And it's still

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<v Speaker 1>a mystery why they suspected my grandpa, mainly considering the

0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:13.520
<v Speaker 1>fact that they lived in New Mexico at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>We sadly lost my grandma in July, but I'm happy

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<v Speaker 1>to report that my grandpa is still doing well. Even

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<v Speaker 1>though I could never picture my cowboy boot levin heavily

0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:28.680
<v Speaker 1>starched wrangler gene wearing Grandpa and a skinny tie from J. C. Penny,

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<v Speaker 1>although he does enjoy his daily bourbon. And that's a clue.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that was it. So that's from Holly, And that's

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<v Speaker 1>a great email. Holly as one of the all time greats. Holly.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that she's like. Also, my grandpa pays for

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<v Speaker 1>everything from a bag of money that he keeps the

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<v Speaker 1>ship out back. Yeah, we always got unmarked dollar bills

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<v Speaker 1>for birthdays. If you want to be like Holly, and

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<v Speaker 1>tell us one of the great family stories that you

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<v Speaker 1>heard from your grandparents about. We want to hear those two.

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