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Speaker 1: Whats itch in my rashes. I'm Robert Evans. This is

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Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards. Nobody like that intro. Sophie is giving

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Speaker 1: Katie's politely smiling. I'm Robert Evans. Behind the Bastards podcast.

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Speaker 1: Talk about bad people, the worst people, all of them

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Speaker 1: in history. What you don't know about him? My guest today,

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Speaker 1: Cody Johnston, Katie Stole. Hello, how are you guys doing

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Speaker 1: really really well? I'm doing. What did you guys think

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Speaker 1: of my my intro? I thought it was good all

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Speaker 1: the thumbs up? Yeah yeah, that scans well for a podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it again. Physical comedy is great for podcasting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I was fine with your intro. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you, thank It's no, it's no. What's cracking my peppers?

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Speaker 1: But they can't all you gotta try stuff out. You

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Speaker 1: it works. And it's also a great way to get

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Speaker 1: at rashes. Speaking of rashes. While we're on the subject,

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Speaker 1: speaking of a rash on our collective nation, our subject

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Speaker 1: for today is a fella named George Lincoln Rockwell. Have

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Speaker 1: either of you all heard of George Lincoln Rockwell minimal Um, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not that familiar. I would say based on the

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Speaker 1: three names. He killed people, not directly, but those are

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Speaker 1: always the people who wind up killing the most people. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that song. People who don't directly kill people are the

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Speaker 1: killing in the world. Yeah, he's got blood on his hands. Well, yes,

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Speaker 1: absolutely so. Near the end of February two thousand nineteen,

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Speaker 1: he wanted to murder. In April, to McVeigh detonated an

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Speaker 1: Last October, Robert Bowers walked into the Tree of Life

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Speaker 1: Synagogue and murder eleven people. Between nineteen and two thousand nineteen,

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Speaker 1: we've seen a couple of hundred far right terror attacks

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Speaker 1: with his or her own journey to radicalization. But there

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Speaker 1: is one single man who shows up in the ideological

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Speaker 1: chain of custody for every single act of right wing

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Speaker 1: terror in our lifetimes. That man is George Lincoln Rockwell.

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Speaker 1: There it is. There we go so excited in the

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Speaker 1: knew you'all were the only possible guests for this touching.

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Speaker 1: You also produced regular terrified content about the horrifying things

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Speaker 1: it starts. So this week's three part episode is the

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Speaker 1: longest podcast I've ever written, by a couple of thousand words.

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Speaker 1: It started initially as a five part special episode. I

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Speaker 1: our current wave of right wing terrorism. There's a fascinating,

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Speaker 1: terrifying intellectual history there, and I think it's very important

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Speaker 1: for people to know. Rockwall was just going to be

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Speaker 1: one part of that series, but then I wrote words

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Speaker 1: Rockwell is special. He's the grandfather of all modern American fascists.

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Speaker 1: He started, uh, the sort of fight that we're all

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Speaker 1: into it. Rockwell was born on March nine, eighteen in Bloomington, Illinois,

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Speaker 1: As a teenager, George Lincoln Rockwell worked as a waiter

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Speaker 1: jam band team. In this Nazi podcast, George Rockwell Lincoln

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Speaker 1: Rockwell grew up mean and tall into a lantern jawed

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Speaker 1: being successful because of his incomparable personality and originality. Originality

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Speaker 1: lot of things for George Lincoln Rockwell, most of them terrible.

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Speaker 1: the National Committee because Rockwell had actually sort of screwed

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Speaker 1: over his wealthy benefactor Aerosmith. He'd printed only a few

425
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Speaker 1: of the leaflets showcasing Aerosmith's research and used most of

426
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Speaker 1: the Committee's resources to print off his own propaganda for

427
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Speaker 1: a completely different organization called the World Union of Free

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Speaker 1: Enterprise National Socialists. Wolfens loser, my god, I mean tragically

429
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: he gets better at the brandings. It's a process. You

430
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Speaker 1: have to understand. The Nazis didn't exist yet. Well, it

431
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: sounds like a cute little pup names your and branding

432
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Speaker 1: is important and like, yeah, you're building up united right,

433
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Speaker 1: We're like, uh, we're all together. We're one big family.

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Speaker 1: Uh not you not you were one. We're one. Actually

435
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Speaker 1: much smaller family than the family other people want want

436
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: to exist. On October twelve, nineteen fifty eight, a racist

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Speaker 1: name Wallace Allen detonated fifty sticks of dynamite inside the

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Speaker 1: Hebrew Benevolent Congregation synagogue in Atlanta. Thankfully, he did this

439
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: in the dead of night and no one was killed,

440
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Speaker 1: but suspicion almost immediately turned to George Lincoln Rockwell because

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Speaker 1: when police searched Allen's home, they found letters between the

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Speaker 1: bomber and Rockwell. One of Rockwell's letters from July mentioned

443
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Speaker 1: a big blast, although he claimed this was a reference

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Speaker 1: to a Wolfan's picketing march, he had brand not any

445
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Speaker 1: terrorist attack like a blast, like we're gonna have a blast.

446
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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a blast. It's going to be a

447
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: big blast. It's gonna be a big fifties stick of

448
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: dynamite sized blast. Rock was not charged with any crime

449
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: in the wake of the bombing, but that attacked marked

450
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Speaker 1: the beginning of a national conversation that we're all still

451
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Speaker 1: having to What do we do with people who inspire

452
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Speaker 1: terrorism but don't actively urge it in a legally actionable way?

453
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Speaker 1: What do we do about that? I don't know the

454
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Speaker 1: last to Symber. I lectured a room full of aspiring

455
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Speaker 1: and current federal law enforcement people about this, and nobody

456
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Speaker 1: seemed to have a real clear answer. Oh good, Oh good.

457
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Speaker 1: I don't hear more about that at some point. Yeah,

458
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Speaker 1: I'm happy, too happy to talk about that now. The

459
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Speaker 1: rabbi of the Hebrew Benevolent Congregation Synagogue was a dude

460
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Speaker 1: named Jacob Rothschild, which is an unfortunate last name to

461
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Speaker 1: have if you are one of America's earliest white advocates

462
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Speaker 1: for school integration and civil rights. He was a major

463
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Speaker 1: major like early civil rights advocate, and the members of

464
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Speaker 1: his synagogue were unusually active in being white people who

465
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Speaker 1: are like, we should all be less shitty to black people. Uh.

466
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: Good advice, good advice. Why they also got bombed? Bad

467
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Speaker 1: result of good advice. Yeah, that's how it goes. Thankfully

468
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Speaker 1: no one died. Uh. In a Pulitzer Prize winning editorial

469
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Speaker 1: for The Atlantic Constitution, Ralph McGill called the bombing quote

470
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Speaker 1: the harvest of defiance of courts and the encouragement of

471
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Speaker 1: citizens to defy law on the part of many Southern politicians.

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Speaker 1: It is not possible to preach lawlessness and restricted. To

473
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Speaker 1: be sure, none said gobamba, Jewish temple or a school.

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Speaker 1: But let it be understood that when leadership and high

475
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Speaker 1: places in any degree fails to support constituted authority, it

476
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Speaker 1: opens the gates to all those who wished to take

477
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Speaker 1: the law into their hands. It would have been greater

478
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: people are listened back than Why would we listen to

479
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Speaker 1: what things happened in the past, what it might be

480
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Speaker 1: directly related to? Why would we think about that Rockwell

481
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: had been a French figure before the bombing. After it,

482
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Speaker 1: he was completely a banned by the mainstream American right.

483
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: Aerosmith abandoned him too, and his naval reserve status was

484
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: canceled in December. This left Rockwell destitute, without even the

485
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Speaker 1: money to keep the lights on. His nineteen fifty nine

486
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Speaker 1: Dawned Wolfin's only had nine fully initiated members, with twelve

487
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Speaker 1: more waiting to attain full membership status. I bet you

488
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: guys are wondering what it takes to become a full

489
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Speaker 1: member of what we're thinking about. That you get you

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Speaker 1: two Cody, Okay, well, there's a ceremony. There's a ceremony.

491
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: It's described in for Racing Nations. Quote pricking the cheek

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Speaker 1: with a razor blade, dripping a large drop of blood

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Speaker 1: on the border of a swastika flag, and swearing allegiance

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Speaker 1: to the party with the troopers oath. All these fucking

495
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: nerves go away with this stuff that happened. I'm going

496
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: to read the trooper's oath. Oh please do. Oh yeah,

497
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: I gotta in the presence of the great spirits of

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Speaker 1: the universe, capitalized and my loyal party comrades, all capitalized.

499
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Speaker 1: I hereby all letters capitalized, irrevocably pledged to Adolf Hitler,

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Speaker 1: also capitalized, the philosophical leader of the white man's fight

501
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: for idealistic and scientific world order against the atheistic and

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Speaker 1: materialistic forces of Marxism and a racial suicide. I pledge

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Speaker 1: my reverence and respect to the commander of Adolf Hitler's

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Speaker 1: National Socialist movement. I pledge my faith, my courage, and

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Speaker 1: my willing obedience to my party comrades throughout the world.

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Speaker 1: I pledge my absolute loyalty, even unto death, to myself

507
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Speaker 1: as a leader of the white man's fight. I pledge

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Speaker 1: a life of clean and manly honor. To the United

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Speaker 1: States of America. I pledge my loyalty and my careful

510
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Speaker 1: compliance with its constitution and laws until those which are

511
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: unjust can be legally changed by winning the hearts of

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Speaker 1: the people. To my ignorant fellow white man, who will

513
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Speaker 1: hate and persecute me because they have been so cruelly brainwashed,

514
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Speaker 1: I pledge my patience and my love to the traitors

515
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Speaker 1: of my race and nation. I pledge swift and ruthless justice.

516
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: M m m mmmm. That is cool for a great

517
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Speaker 1: bunch of really um it's almost like what even if

518
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Speaker 1: you take out the race stuff, It's like what unites

519
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: the right is they all fear the same things and

520
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: they all they all like really really want the same

521
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: kind of thing. It's almost like it was really civil

522
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: This smr here, this is what straight dust to me.

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00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: It's just really frustrating. Troopers were given code names, which

524
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: had to be related to their real names but also

525
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: make them sound like total badasses to recruit. Named Burchard

526
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Speaker 1: became Trooper Oak because Birchard sounded sort of like Birch,

527
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: but George Lincoln Rockwell didn't think Birch was a badass

528
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: enough tree. Oh my god, all about Also, it's like

529
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: that George W. Bush thing where it's like he sees

530
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: you eating a burger, so he calls you burger. You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Tim Apple, you know what, I'm not

532
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Speaker 1: going to go out that. That's that's funny. It is funny.

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Speaker 1: If I was the president, that's how I would refer

534
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Speaker 1: to every business leader. Well, it's super it's super hilarious

535
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: and cool and great. If he did it on purpose, yeah,

536
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: but it's just his broken brain. I would call Jeff

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Speaker 1: Bezos Jeff O Packages, Jeff. That would be you know,

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Speaker 1: Jeff bookstore over here, Jemmy Books, Jeff got. It would

539
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 1: be great if he called like Maddest Jim, Jim Marines,

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00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: David Army over here. It's name great names. Also, it's

541
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: crazy that we actually had a guy in that job

542
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: whose literal name was almost David Army. It was it was.

543
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: It would have worked out so well for him. That's amazing.

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00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: Wolfin's carried out several picketing actions, which were basically protests

545
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Speaker 1: in public areas where Rockwell and his stormtroopers would carry

546
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: incredibly racist signs attacking the Jews or black people. They

547
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: also published anti Semitic pamphlets and books with titles like

548
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Speaker 1: Battle Call, Fight on Your Feet with the World Union

549
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Speaker 1: of Free Enterprise Socialists, or Live on your Knees with

550
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Speaker 1: the Jews. Not great at titles. I mean, Battle Calls

551
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: a fine title, but that's subtitle, not click whatever. The

552
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: police stories remember tells stories like this, and then there's

553
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: like a title that has like the word Jews in it.

554
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: There's always like implied, like you put a little stank

555
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, and like it's always there. You can

556
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: always feel it. You can't even even just reading it,

557
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: just the way the rest of the synthes just like

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00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: how they how they how they wrote it, Like, man,

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00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: I know how you're I know how you're hearing this

560
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: word when you write it. Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly, I

561
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: know how you're saying it in your hand as you

562
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: typed it. Now, it's important to note that Wolfin's was

563
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: not yet a totally Nazi party, at least not explicitly.

564
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: That oath was a private oath. Okay, So you just

565
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 1: mean like they weren't like, by the way, we're Nazis,

566
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Speaker 1: not not yeah, super out, we're swirling around it. I

567
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: mean they were calling them to those national socialists, but

568
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: they were up to that point avoiding being super explicit

569
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Speaker 1: about the Nazi thing. I mean, nationalism and socialism are

570
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: two things. Great, what are you gonna do? And Rockwal

571
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: did not consider himself a fascist. He said he wanted

572
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: an authoritarian republic, which is totally different fascism. You know

573
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: that many fascists that want to call themselves fascists think

574
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: about fascists, he said, fascist gotten the way a free enterprise. Um. Now,

575
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: while Hitler had been a racial nationalist, Rockwell sought to

576
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Speaker 1: spread what he called international racism. He believed that millions

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00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: of Americans and Europeans were quote only a synapse away

578
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: from discovering that they were national socialists and never knew

579
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Speaker 1: it because they have never been allowed to know what

580
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: national socialism is. Okay, maybe he felt that most conservatives

581
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: were really national socialists. They were just scared of the

582
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: word itself because of all the bad press the original

583
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: Nazis had received for some press press love sister up controversy.

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Speaker 1: You can't stop attacking us for a couple of more

585
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Speaker 1: than ten million dead in death camps, a couple of

586
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: more than ten million, twenty million killed on the Russian Front.

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00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: It's just you know, bias in the media. You kill

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Speaker 1: thirty or forty or fifty million people. Now, Rockwell knew

589
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: that his first step towards making national socialist im palatable

590
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: to the general public was to convince them that the

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00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: Holocaust wasn't real. This was revolutionary at the time. There

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Speaker 1: was no such thing as organized Holocaust denial in nineteen

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Speaker 1: fifty nine. It did not exist. Tens of thousands of

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Speaker 1: Americans had seen the death camps for themselves in person.

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00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,479
Speaker 1: Everyone had watched the news real footage from camps liberated

596
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Speaker 1: by the American Army. That was like one of the

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00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: things Eisenhower had done. As soon as we found like, oh,

598
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: everybody's seeing the ship like this has like the world

599
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: has this real thing. Yeah, so that people don't do

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00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: what Rockwell is about to do like that fifty nine

601
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: there are thirty year old Holocaust, sixteen year old Holocaust survivors. Yeah. Yeah.

602
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Speaker 1: So in order to accomplish his goals, George Lincoln Rockwell

603
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Speaker 1: had to invent the idea of Holocaust denial. Here's how

604
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: for Race and Nation describes that process. Quote to establish

605
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Speaker 1: a Holocaust was a hoax theme. Rockwell fabricated a story

606
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 1: for a seedy men's pulp magazine called Sir with an

607
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: exclamation point. The story quote by a former corporal in

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00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: the SS as told to Master Sergeant leu Core, which

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00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: is Rockwell spelled backwards phonetically related how the Nazis conducted

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00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: vivisection on Jewish concentration camp inmates. The article was accepted

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00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: and Rockwell received seventy five dollars in payment. When it

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00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: was published. The editors used concentration camp photos alongside his

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00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: story to enhance its appeal. To Rockwell's we have thinking

614
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 1: since the publisher had used bogus photos for a bogus story,

615
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: the Holocaust must be a Jewish fabrication. Rockwell was to

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Speaker 1: use the magazine article is proof of a Holocaust hoax

617
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: for the rest of his life. Yeah, there's what do

618
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: you what do you say to that invented He invented

619
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: Holocaust and by like pretending to like fake, by writing

620
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: a fake story, real stuff that Nazis cut up Jewish

621
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Speaker 1: prisoners in the Holocaust. Some of the doctors who did

622
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: it admitted it later. He just wrote a fake article

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Speaker 1: article that could be like debunked to be like, see

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Speaker 1: they're lying about the thing that has actually oh my god,

625
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: what sucks. What you could argue that modern Holocaust deniers.

626
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: I mean they're bad people, but maybe they're just maybe

627
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: they really believe what they what they're saying. But this

628
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: is somebody that what's so evil about it is he

629
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: knows that he fought in World War two. Yeah, like

630
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: doing that in the late fifties because then, yeah, you

631
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: have people now who are like, oh, it's sixty years

632
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: later after this conspiracy theory even started. So it makes

633
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: sense that you can fall down that rabbit hole and

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Speaker 1: like get convinced. You could talk to twenty five year

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00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: olds with numbers on their arms. Right at this point,

636
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 1: what a bad person. I'm sorry, I'm starting to changing

637
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: mind about George really on board for the first six pages, Yeah,

638
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: this is too much. This would be the first great

639
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: innovation in Rockwell's life. Is the most influential racist in

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Speaker 1: American history. But it was not enough to save to

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00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: the terribly named wolfin without the backing of their millionaire

642
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: patron and without any kind of mass popularity whatsoever. Rockwell's

643
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: dream of a National Socialist Party quickly fizzled out. By

644
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: June of nineteen fifty nine, he had only three troopers

645
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: left and the lease was up on their headquarters. Rockwell

646
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: left the United States for Iceland, where his wife and

647
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: kids had fled because it turns out they didn't like

648
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: being with the guy who was trying to revitalize national

649
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: socialism less than twenty years after This is the Second Yeah.

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00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: When he arrived in reki Vic, his wife wanted nothing

651
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: to do with him. The police escorted him from her home.

652
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: He got ship house wasted and cried for a while,

653
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: and then he decided that he must use the pain

654
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: of his emotional loss to galvanize him into being an

655
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: even greater fighter for the cause of white people who,

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Speaker 1: let me tell you, we're really hurting in nineteen He

657
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: would later say that his wife leaving him had given

658
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: him a quote priceless armor of fearlessness. What doesn't kill

659
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: us makes us stronger, It doesn't kill us makes us Nazis. Yeah, sometimes,

660
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: George Lincoln Rockwell we returned to the United States with

661
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Speaker 1: his new armor of fearlessness and began making the changes

662
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: he believed would be necessary to cause national socialism to

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Speaker 1: catch fire in the American heart, and the first step

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Speaker 1: he decided was to stop calling at national socialism. You

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00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: might expect that this would be his first move towards

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00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: embracing a more moderate label for his organization, but Rockwell

667
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: actually went the opposite direction and started calling himself a Nazi.

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00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: Here we go, yeah, oh my gosh. His strategic considerations

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Speaker 1: were based entirely around what would gain him the most

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Speaker 1: public renown. A bunch of men wearing swastikas calling themselves

671
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: Nazis and goose stepping around at demonstrations would gain more

672
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: notoriety than a fere weirdos ranting about national socialism and

673
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: making this call, Rockwell was consciously pulling inspiration from a

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Speaker 1: passage in mind camp quote from Hitler. Whether they laugh

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00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 1: or swear at us, whether they present us as fools

676
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: or his criminals, the main thing is that they mentioned us,

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00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: that they occupy themselves with us again and again, and

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00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: that gradually, in the eyes of the workers, we appear

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Speaker 1: actually as that power with which alone one has to

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00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: reckon at the time. There it is, there, it is,

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Speaker 1: there's that. Oh, there's yet another just piece of the

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00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: frustrating puzzling with we all live, which we all live,

683
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 1: so like, uh had attention, good attention, currency, may attention

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00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: his currency. He would have loved Twitter. Maybe that's George

685
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: Lincoln Rockwell would have dominated. Yes, he would have. Yeah,

686
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 1: he would have probably eventually gotten banned and then used

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00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: that to sort of pushed forth. He would have then

688
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: screenshot his name trending and then posted it on Instagram trending.

689
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: And that's good, no matter what. I gotta like, I

690
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: get the joke. But I think he's smarter than that.

691
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: I think he knowing. I think he would have used

692
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: it way better. I don't think he would have been

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Speaker 1: like I don't think. I think he would have done

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00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: in this day a thousand times better than Richard Spencer

695
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: or Jacob and he failed. Yeah, I mean, they're they're

696
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: like dopes, didn't stumbled into what they are. This guy

697
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: is like, he's a genius, right, He's a terrible Yeah,

698
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: he's tells him. Man, he's just fucking stupid, just a monster.

699
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: But in October, George Lincoln Rockwell officially formed the American

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00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: Nazi Party. With this action, he gave birth to the

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00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: concept of neo Nazi is um so been at Holocaust

702
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: and Island Neo Nazism within a year of each other.

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00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 1: Heidi Barak, who tracks hate groups for the Southern Poverty

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Speaker 1: Law Center, said this in an interview with the w

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Speaker 1: A m U Radio. Quote, he was the first person,

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00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: after World War Two, in the knowledge of the Holocaust

707
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: became known and the horrors that had happened under Hitler's

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00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: regime to take an overtly pro Hitler position. Really, he's

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00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: responsible for creating neo Nazism in the United States. It's

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00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: entirely possible. Without Rockwell, Nazism would be dead as a

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00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: political concept, at least in the United States. That is debatable.

712
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 1: What isn't debatable is the foundational role Rockwell played and

713
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: the concepts behind racist organizing in this country and worldwide.

714
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: On Christmas Day, n a synagogue and Cologne, Germany, was

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00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: defaced with swasticas and anti Semitic graffiti. This sparked a

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Speaker 1: rash of attacks on synagogues across Europe. Rockwell joyfully took

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00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: credit for inspiring the violence. He added quote, I deplore

718
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: the avenue some of them have chose. I would not

719
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Speaker 1: permit my troopers to paint swastikas on synagogues or churches.

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Speaker 1: It's not necessary here. It is in Europe, where there's

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Speaker 1: no other way. You know, this is a terrible time

722
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: for but we're pivot, pivoting, and your money. We're back.

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Speaker 1: Thank god, Thank god. You guys. I could tell you

724
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: were like shaking from Rockwell withdrawals. Yeah, I was. I

725
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: felt lost during that ad bin you know, I know

726
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: that's what nazis. Sometime during the nineteen sixty election, George

727
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: Lincoln Rockwell caused controversy by publicly endorsing Richard Nixon. This

728
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: movie would be echoed decades later by the decisions of

729
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: former KKK leader David Duke and racist asshole Richard Spencer

730
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 1: to endorse Donald Trump in the two thousand and sixteen election.

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Speaker 1: To his credit, Nixon immediately told ABC, I completely repudiate

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Speaker 1: him and all the evil he represents. Thank you, Nixon,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks, thanks, thank you Nixon. Thanks for not

734
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: waffling on whether or not to disavow a literal nuts. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Also thanks for the e p A Yeah, and opening

736
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: up trade with China the god not thank you for

737
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: extending the Vietnam War and additional debts but it wasn't

738
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: wasn't a zero something? Also all that racist stuff at least. Yeah,

739
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 1: but stop talking about Nixon. We'll do the nine partner

740
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: on another day. Rockwall was not just a blind ideological

741
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: hate monger. He was a serious racist thinker with serious

742
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: racist goals. In a fairly logical way of looking at

743
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: the world, he developed a set of four phases that

744
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 1: he believed were necessary for his party and its racist

745
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: ideas to gain power in America. These rules were based

746
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: not just on what Hitler had done, but on these

747
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 1: strategies successfully employed by communist political movements in the East.

748
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: Phase one become known. This includes getting in the headlines,

749
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: rallies and promotional material. Phase two developed leadership cadres, teaching

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Speaker 1: about white rights, the anti white movement, misagenation, and party tactics.

751
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: Phase three mass recruitment. This includes public relations, toning down

752
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: the party in order to become more mainstream, recasting the

753
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: party is legitimate, instigating tensions that increased party membership i e.

754
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: Racial riots, and Phase four taking of power mass action.

755
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: A crisis situation leads to rapid expansion. Paramilitary substrata of

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00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: the movement begins to take control by force, and using

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00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: direct confrontations with the government and the security apparatus of

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00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: the state. Assume you saw those uh chatlogs from direct

759
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: descendant of the American Nazi Party, as are literally all

760
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: of the fascist groups where yeah, actively trying to infiltrate

761
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: the Republican Party and influence it. Yeah, he is the

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00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: founding father of American like active fast. You're not sure

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00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: if you're going to get to that or not. The

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00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: third episode is just about what he cannot wait. Oh,

765
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna be horrible. I hated. Rabo was above all

766
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: else a creative political thinker. On June nine, sixty one,

767
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: he took nine members of his new revitalized American Nazi

768
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Speaker 1: Party to a Nation of Islam rally and Washington, d C.

769
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Speaker 1: The Nazis marched right into the Lena Arena, outnumbered eight

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Speaker 1: hundred to one, and took their place among the otherwise

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00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: almost entirely black audience. They were not there to protest,

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00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: but to show support the Nation of Islam's leader, Elijah

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Speaker 1: Mohammed and his right hand man, Malcolm X, were at

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Speaker 1: the time black separatists. Malcolm X's speech that night was

775
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: literally titled Separation or Death. Despite repeated shocking statements of racism.

776
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: Rockwell also regularly expressed admiration for Malcolm X. He backed

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00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: the Nation of Islam because he saw them as having

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00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 1: the same essential goal as the A and P racial

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00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: separation of black and white people. At one point during

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00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: his speech, Malcolm X admonished the white members of the audience,

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00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: telling them they should really donate to the Nation of

782
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: Islam if they supported its cause. Rockwell was among the

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Speaker 1: first to whip out a twenty dollar bill and handed over.

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Speaker 1: Life photographer Eve Arnold, who was there to shoot the event,

785
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: took a picture of this. She was Jewish, and when

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00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: Rockwell saw her photographing him, he yelled, I'll make a

787
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: bar of soap out of you. She replied, as long

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Speaker 1: as it is in a lampshade. Solid. What a girl,

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00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: What a girl? Alright, alright, Yeah, that's a good that's

790
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: a good comeback. I just locked eyes as all the

791
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: women in the room, and we're all like nodding. Yeah.

792
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 1: The Nation of Islam event was great pr for Rockwell.

793
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: Esquire magazine attacked him in his ideas, but couldn't avoid

794
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: describing him in weirdly positive tones. How much taller he

795
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: is than Hitler, and how much better looking and how

796
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: much better looking? To be fair, they weren't wrong. By

797
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: this point. He shaved his mustache and he looked a lot.

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00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,959
Speaker 1: I mean, look at that. He's the guy in the middle,

799
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: and okay, yeah, it's an improvement. Who does he look

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00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: like to me? He's got some cheekbones going a little

801
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: bit carry Grant in there, a little bit carry Grant.

802
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: He is much taller than Hitler. I mean, this isn't

803
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: a side by side between him and Hitler, but you

804
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: can didn't tell. I mean, he looks like an actually

805
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: doesn't look like a leading man. He looks like the villain,

806
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: but like, but he's like kind of in the way

807
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: that like Billy Zane. Yeah, part of you was like,

808
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: go with Billy Zane. You know, he's got a hell

809
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: of a jaw line. So Cody, yes, I'm really excited.

810
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: The American Nazi Party was chronically low on funds the

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00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: entire time Rockwell ran it. His fundraising strategy then relied

812
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: entirely on jending up controversy and his public appearances and

813
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: using that to solicit donations. He had a variety of

814
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: ways of accomplishing this, but his most reliable tactic was

815
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: getting invited to speak at colleges interesting there would inevitably

816
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: be protests and often fight him, which would lead to

817
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: publicity that would convince hidden neo Nazis to mail him checks, insisting, well,

818
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: those protesters seemed like the real Nazis. There's protesters because

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00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: they're trying to shut down. To speak. In San Diego,

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00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: the Committee for Student Action invited Rockwell to speak at

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Speaker 1: the State College. He gave a speech to a group

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Speaker 1: of three thousand students, introducing himself by saying, if I

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00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: had wanted trouble, I could have worn my uniform with

824
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: my Nazi arm bands and the whole works. Believe me,

825
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: I know how to stir people up if I want to.

826
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: Rockwell then railed against homosexuality in California. He talked about

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Speaker 1: seeing men holding hands in the streets of Hollywood and

828
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: told the students, if there's one thing I'd rather gas

829
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: than communists, it's queers. At one point, twenty two year

830
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: old Ed Cherry, a Jewish student and hero, took the

831
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Speaker 1: stage and demanded Rockwell hand on the microphone, and Rockwell refused.

832
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 1: Cherry punched him in the face repeatedly and broke his

833
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: sunglasses punch of Nazi. The rest of the speech was canceled.

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Speaker 1: Next Rockwell and his men were scheduled to give a

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Speaker 1: talk to journalists at the school newspaper. During the rock

836
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Speaker 1: walk from the auditorium to the paper's offices that were

837
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: surrounded by students and pelted with eggs. Here's how for

838
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: Race and Nation described what he said. When he finally

839
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: talked to the baby journalists. Rockwell told the journalism students

840
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Speaker 1: that there was a conspiracy to discourage his speaking invitations.

841
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: The attack by Cherry was part of a plan to

842
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: keep other colleges from inviting him. He put the attack

843
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Speaker 1: in perspective, calling it a minor skirmish. Such violence hurt

844
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: his cause in the short run, but helped it in

845
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: the long run, because people finally realize what is happenings

846
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: ruining this country. It's terrorism. In other words, there is

847
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: no free speech for a man who preaches what I do,

848
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: they try to kill you. I'm so Rocke would speak

849
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: at dozens of colleges over the course of his career.

850
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: We'll talk about this more in Part two, but I

851
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: can't overstate how critical they were for the A and

852
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: P S. Financial independence, and how he literally invented the

853
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: blueprint that every right wing grifter uses today. Yeah, we

854
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: just keep coming back to speaking to college people yell

855
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: and throw stuff at me, and then I'll get more money,

856
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: and then I'll be the guy who got shouted out

857
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: of the school for violent left. Yeah, the violent leftist Nazis, um,

858
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: because that's the real that's the real situation. Did he debate, uh, kids?

859
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: And how ye love debating? Now? Nazis are good? Change

860
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: my mind. The hundreds of dollars brought in by the

861
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: honorariums paid by collegists literally kept Rockwell's lights on. Soon

862
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: there were a n P hq buildings in Virginia, California,

863
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: and Texas. The actual number of stormtroopers was rarely higher

864
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: than you know, a few dozen who maybe like a

865
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: hundred or two at the most, but the presence of

866
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: these buildings gave Rockwell's movement street cred and also provided

867
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: an opportunity for him to make the news and thus

868
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 1: solicit or donations. A P headquarters buildings were be decked

869
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: with signs that said stuff like white man fight, smash

870
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: the Black Revolution, now the Black Revolution. To go to

871
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: the same schools as everyone use the same water revolution there.

872
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: Those of you who know me and my relationship with

873
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: law enforcement know that I am not exactly a big

874
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: fan of the FBI. The honest I have not forgiven

875
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: them for the anarchist Exclusion Act of nineteen eighteen. But

876
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: I am, above all else a fair man, and for

877
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: all of his many many many many many many many

878
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: many many many many many many many many many, many, many, many,

879
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: many many flaws, j Edgar Hoover was not on the

880
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: wrong side of this particular issue. The Bureau instantly recognized

881
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: Rockwell as a threat. His file described him as quote

882
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: a professional bigot, a con man, a malcontent, and a

883
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: chronic failure who will stop at nothing to gain notoriety

884
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: and even power. He is a man whose tongue and

885
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: pen are jagged weapons of slow destruction, A shrewd small

886
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 1: mind inflated into a national nuisance by undeserved publicity. He

887
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: is a braggart and a bully who tries to elude

888
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: his malagested followers into believing they are crusaders. Pretty good

889
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: writing for the FIA. They did not, however, write him

890
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: off as a harmless crank, because the FBI knew something

891
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 1: about Nazis. I really wish the modern FBI would catch

892
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: onto quote those smaller numbers and influence The A and

893
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 1: P is a dangerous organization of misfits who are psychologically

894
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: and physically capable of perpetrating acts of violence. If this

895
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: organization is ever in a position to do so, these

896
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 1: American Nazis, like the Nazis of Hitler's Germany, will follow

897
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: through with their obnoxious objectives of liquidating all whom they

898
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: consider inferior. It is well to remember that in his

899
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: early days, Adolf Hitler, like Rockwell, was ridicaled and scorned.

900
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: We would do well to heed the American Nazi Party

901
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: and to remember that history is replete with incidents where

902
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: a nucleus of an organization and the right conditions merged

903
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: to shake the foundations of the world. What's a stronger

904
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: word than obnoxious? But that's like good, good, good job,

905
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: good job the FBI being aware of history and how

906
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: things happening, being aware of twenty years right, Wow, that's um.

907
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:17,439
Speaker 1: I really wish any figure, uh, any amount of power

908
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: would say something like that. Wouldn't that be nice? Wouldn't

909
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: that be great? But they could instead, they could like

910
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: target they could yell at people for yelling at people

911
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: for speaking at college and then target like left wing

912
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: activists and ignore that like all the organizations in the

913
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: military being sort of infiltrated by white supremacis, why would

914
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: that be important. I don't know, I don't know, I

915
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: don't know. I would just I'm just saying stuff out loud.

916
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. It's not like there are any incidences where, say,

917
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: of military combat veteran built a six thousand pound bomb

918
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: and destroyed a federal building and killed a hundred and

919
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: sixty eight people. If something like that had happened, i'd say,

920
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: you should be okay, okay, Well, I'll keep my eyes

921
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: open for something like that. But in the meantime, I'm

922
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: going to go take a couple of maps. It's perfect,

923
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: just like our national security interesting. Well done. Yeah. The

924
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: FBI report on Rockwell included summaries of the A and

925
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: p S major publications. Quote. The Rockwell Report, which appears

926
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: monthly or every two months, is a pseudo newspaper in

927
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: which Rockwell comments on and makes predictions regarding national and

928
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: international occurrences, lashes out at Heckler's and enemies, and discusses

929
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: a and p business. The Stormtrooper, a bi monthly magazine,

930
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: contains articles regarding aspects of national and international Nazism and

931
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: features articles containing scurless squibs about Jews and Negroes. Scirless

932
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: squibs really like the writing shops of the old time

933
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: FBI yester. Yeah, it's much more colorful. It's good. It's

934
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: good stuff, trying to also a little bit of post.

935
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: Definitely would have had a podcast, Oh my god. Yeah,

936
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: h h yeah, I mean, it wouldn't need to be

937
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: a podcast, just like you have a radio show like

938
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: a daily Well, I know, but I think it would

939
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: probably get canceled and somehow they know and they I mean,

940
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: I think he'd probably have taken Tucker Carlson's out to

941
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: be honest, because he's way smarter. Yeah, oh so much.

942
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: It also included the air report also included descriptions of

943
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: the a mp S pamphlets, which are just about the

944
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: most hatefully racist things that I can imagine. The nineteen

945
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: sixties FBI agents writing about them were shocked by the

946
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: level of racism. Nineteen six, the same group that was

947
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: urging Martin Luther were shocked by the racism of the

948
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: AMP stuff quote leaflets, pamphlets, brochures, throwaways, stickers, and other

949
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,479
Speaker 1: types of easily disseminated messages are the more common types

950
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: of AMP propaganda. One repugnant pamphlet disseminated by the party

951
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: advertises a Brotherhood inward talk dictionary. They did not use

952
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: the phrase inward. Compiled by the AMP as a public

953
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: service for parents whose children are attending the integrated schools.

954
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: There is even a section of this handy brotherhood dictionary

955
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: explaining how to be tactful about interracial love. Inside this

956
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: pamphlet is a drawing of a familiarization kit whose contents

957
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: includes such odious items as selected rocks, carefully balanced and

958
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: waited for breaking out school windows, pack of marijuana, reefer

959
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: cigarettes for smoking at interracial orgies, etcetera switch blade, knife,

960
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: lightning fast, extra long blade for stabbing students, and Spanish

961
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: fly powerful afrodisiac for slipping into girlfriend's whiskey or wine. Great, great,

962
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: all the tools that you know how with. Like the

963
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: KKK stuff, it was racist, but it was so dumb

964
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: and batty that you could laugh at. Like the Cool

965
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: Coast camp. This is the there's just nothing, it's it's

966
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: just horrible, so Cody. I would like you to describe

967
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: this next pamphlet, which the FBI provided as an example

968
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: of the A and P S typical humor, which they

969
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: put and I put in quotation, please don't actually read these.

970
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, don't read that. I will be

971
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 1: putting most of this stuff up on the side. I'm

972
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: not going to put the stuff with slurs on it

973
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: up on the side. I'll put the things where you

974
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: can find it. But um, yeah, I don't Yeah, yeah,

975
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: we don't need to go too much into this. Uh well, hey,

976
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's only words. Um. The very first word

977
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 1: is a word I will not say, um, very exclamation point.

978
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: It's it's getting people's attention, saying hey, hey, listen, look

979
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: at this. Look at this. Uh, you two can be

980
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: a jew. Exclamation exclamation point. It's easy, exclamation point. It's fun.

981
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: Insult the white folks, make more money, love the white women.

982
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: And then there's a picture of a book called how

983
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: to be a Jew? And then yeah, I think you've

984
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: gotten it across. Yeah, there's a lot of writing. Wait,

985
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: let me finish the joke. Hold on, I going to

986
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 1: read it. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

987
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: That's me reacting to the funny joke that a full

988
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: number of awful Yeah, get that out of my side.

989
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna burn this script after reading yeah, I mean,

990
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: this can't feel good to type up. No, No, did

991
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: not this. That's hideous. I do think it's necessary for

992
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: everyone to hear because I want to contrast those publications

993
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: with how Rockwell presented himself. It's just like memes, it's

994
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: like the Yeah. I want to contrast those publications that

995
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: we've just gone through with how Rockwell presented himself when

996
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: he was in front of cameras and microphones addressing students.

997
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to play you in exerpt from a speech

998
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: that Rockwell gave very close to here U c l

999
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: A in nineteen sixty seven. So well, thank you, thank

1000
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: you very much, Mr Raff. And let me first say

1001
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: how grateful I am for this opportunity to speak on

1002
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: the academic community. It's the only opportunity left to me

1003
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 1: in this country to speak in a way that the

1004
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: American people get to hear and judge me for themselves

1005
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: in every other forum, every other place I attempt to

1006
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: speak out in the street, the people who allowed us

1007
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: to claim to love free speech and demand free speech

1008
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: for themselves, usually insist on using physical by to try

1009
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: to stop me from enjoying my free Oh my god.

1010
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: And when I try to speak in the straight lan

1011
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: in the streets, I need troops. She's the only place

1012
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: where I can be. I can't even hire a hall.

1013
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: When I hire a hall, and usually threatened the owner,

1014
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: the bomb threats and so forth. So this is the

1015
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: last refuge of free speech left in the country, and

1016
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say it is usually accorded to me

1017
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: by the liberals, and I must confess I admire their

1018
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: courage and their sincerety in granting this opportunity to me.

1019
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:31,919
Speaker 1: Liberal congrats, liberals, classical liberals, classic liberals, let's be fair,

1020
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: that is classic liberals. Literal Nazi speak at your college.

1021
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: Wo um. This clip was from you say, decades ago.

1022
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: Interesting century in the past. I was wondering why the

1023
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: quality of the audio wasn't as if it wasn't that,

1024
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: I would have thought we were listening to see the

1025
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: last weekend, not the liberal part. But no, not no.

1026
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 1: There was of course ample racism and rock Wolls lectures

1027
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: and speeches ecologists, but nothing so hate, old, crass, incrude

1028
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: as the things in A and P literature. It was

1029
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: a shallow veil, but one that fooled a number of Americans.

1030
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: Now that is all I have to say for today.

1031
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: For part one, we come back on Thursday or Wednesday actually,

1032
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: for part two, we're going to talk about the Jewish

1033
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: community's reaction to the American Nazi Party and the first

1034
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: attempts by activists you might call them anti fascists to

1035
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: respond to Rockwell's truly innovative trolling. It's going to be

1036
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: just a whole bunch of stuff that seems eerily familiar

1037
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: despite being more than half a century old. Tune in,

1038
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: you guys got some plug dobles? Well, Actually I want

1039
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: to I wanna do a quick thing first. Yeah yeah, So,

1040
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: as I mentioned at the start, this was originally going

1041
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: to be part of like a five part audio book

1042
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: in the Origins of American right wing Terrorism. I'm now

1043
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: doing that audio book is a totally separate thing because

1044
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: Rockwell round up being a full thing. So if you

1045
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: go to go fund me and look up The War

1046
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: on Everyone, that's the working type of the audio book.

1047
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, go fund me the War on one.

1048
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: If you want to donate some money you know, that

1049
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: audio book will come out and the money that I

1050
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: make for it, I will use to you know, further

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Speaker 1: the conflict journalism work, the stuff that I've done in

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Speaker 1: East coast, like going to these rallies. If we get enough,

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Speaker 1: I might even be able to go somewhere like you

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Speaker 1: know Royava again or do more of the like foreign

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Speaker 1: conflict reporting. So you're gonna definitely get an audio book

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Speaker 1: and you'll get more stuff too in the future. Go

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Speaker 1: fund meet the War on everyone. Now, do you guys

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Speaker 1: want to plug your plug doubles? Yeah, check us out online.

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Speaker 1: We don't have what you just said, no, but we've

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Speaker 1: got yeah Google Some More News and YouTube are our

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Speaker 1: show basically weekly we do stuff there. Um. We also

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Speaker 1: have a podcast called even more News. We talked about

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Speaker 1: the news. It's all on you can go to wherever

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Speaker 1: you want to go. You know, I would say our

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Speaker 1: patreon dot com slash some More News. That's where like

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Speaker 1: our patrons go um to support us and make sure

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Speaker 1: yeahs kind of also like makes more episodes. Um. We

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Speaker 1: try to give as much as we can, but if

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Speaker 1: you guys give a lot and produce a ton of

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Speaker 1: really good stuff. It takes a lot some of the

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Speaker 1: best news that you can get at this moment with jokes.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a question? Would you ever let's say

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Speaker 1: the commander of the American Nazi Party speak on your podcast,

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Speaker 1: because I thought you loved free speech and if you

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Speaker 1: don't let Nazis have a platform, you don't love free speech.

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Speaker 1: I've have to do a pre interview. I think I

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Speaker 1: would probably do something like this maybe where I sort

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Speaker 1: of talk about that person and delve into their ideology

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Speaker 1: and sort of represent their them accurately. But it seems

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Speaker 1: like you've done a bunch of them. Yeah, Well, some

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Speaker 1: more news Patreon, the YouTube or on Twitter. Dr Mr

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Speaker 1: Katie Katie Stole I'm I right okay on Twitter, where

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Speaker 1: you can find me yelling about Nazis even more, if

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Speaker 1: that's something you can find us on the internet. This

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Speaker 1: podcast at at Bastards pod Uh. You can also find

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Speaker 1: us on Instagram a Graham by the same name. You

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