1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Well, well, well, chip chip chip, here we. 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 2: Are hey, hey, and you know, I almost accidentally hit 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: leave meeting. I was like, that would be the perfect 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 2: way to start this. That would be savage. 5 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 3: So it's like we're here canceling shit, and you're like 6 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 3: canceled by Well, the reason I started with such hesitancy 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 3: if to anyone who's listening, we chip it up. First 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 3: of all, have done this podcast without pressing record about 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 3: ten times now, and I finally was like, we have 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 3: got to stop doing the podcast without doing the podcast. 11 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 3: Like that's what we say when sometimes we're prepping and 12 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 3: we're analyzing and we're brainstorming, and we start having these conversations. 13 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: They're actually really good, like debatable. 14 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 3: Conversations a lot of times, and I haven't pressed record, 15 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 3: and then we come on the podcast try to say 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 3: the same thing and it never works out the same. 17 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: Oh true, But with this one in particular, there's a 18 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: little bit of sensitivity, and we wanted to make sure 19 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: thatss a line. Yeah, so we were so of getting 20 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: our ducks in a row. And we also don't necessarily 21 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 2: like we agree on it, but it's like all of 22 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: our points aren't exactly the same. So we wanted to 23 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: talk through it a little bit, but let's talk through 24 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: it with a litre exhaustive. 25 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let them in on what we're talking about. 26 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 3: So this month, as you guys know obviously on the podcast, 27 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 3: we always pick a word of the month, and this 28 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 3: month's word is housekeeping. I was actually really excited about 29 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 3: this one. This to me really resonates as like how 30 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 3: I try to live my life as a human in general, 31 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: Like I kind of just am always wanting to do 32 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: this deep dive. I find life to be very fascinating. 33 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 3: I find the way people operate to be very fascinating. 34 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 3: And so this like really excites me, this word. But 35 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 3: you know, the second week of the month on the Edge, 36 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 3: we always tried to incorporate a pop culture theme, and 37 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 3: so Chip and I really went back and forth on 38 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 3: this one, like really went back and forth. We all 39 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 3: were really tired of, like we don't want to like 40 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 3: bash celebrity. We talked about that a couple months ago, 41 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 3: like we kind of wanted to shift the way that 42 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 3: we did the pop culture thing and just talk about 43 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 3: things that are relevant in pop culture but not necessarily 44 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 3: and fun and light and all the things. And that's 45 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 3: been really difficult these last couple of years. I know 46 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 3: a lot of you guys have emailed me and they're like, oh, 47 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 3: the format's changed, it's too serious, And I'm like, well, 48 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 3: are you living in the same fucking world, because it. 49 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: Is falling apart. Our pets heads are falling off. I 50 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:25,119 Speaker 1: say it all the time. 51 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 3: It's just like life is hard right now, and so 52 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 3: it's really difficult some weeks to find these. 53 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: Positive, like happy light topics. 54 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 3: And as much as we want to bring that to 55 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 3: you guys, we're just humans living in this world too, 56 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 3: and I'm like, damn, like, can mercury mercury not be 57 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 3: so fucking retrogrady? 58 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: Like this is hard out here. 59 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was our debacle was just like, how 60 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 3: do we keep this light and fun? How do we 61 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 3: do house cleaning with the pop culture topic, because if 62 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 3: we're really talking about the things that are going on, 63 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 3: it can be kind of heavy. And we just kept 64 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 3: going back to the topic of cancel culture. 65 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: And it's because that seems like, you know, a metaphorical 66 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: house cleaning, like if you're like, yes, oh, this person's bed, 67 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 2: get them out of the pop culture clean up? Yeah, 68 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: And I mean my personal stances. I could give a fuck. Like, 69 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: you know, celebrities to me are people that are just famous, 70 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: you know, like, yeah, it's I don't care about their marriages. 71 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 2: I don't care about that kind of stuff. Obviously, when 72 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: people do something that is horrific and illegal, yes, there 73 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 2: need to be ramifications for it. Them having a different 74 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: opinion about something than me. I could give two shits. 75 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 3: You've always had that mentality that that's yours. Is like, 76 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 3: let live and let live and that's the way you 77 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 3: live your life in general, which I actually think that's 78 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 3: something to aspire to and something I think I was 79 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 3: telling you before we started, like I am craving that 80 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 3: I wish everyone would just live and. 81 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: Let live like you do. You boo, Like, where did 82 00:03:59,040 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: that go? 83 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: We're human? 84 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: Yes, we are human? Go ahead? Did I cut you off? 85 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 2: Well? No, I was just you know, my version of 86 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: house cleaning, you know, in this topic, was just like, hey, 87 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: how can I do a little bit of cleaning of myself, 88 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: okay and my own house when it comes to celebrities 89 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: and pop culture. And it's like to remind myself that, 90 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: like in the grand scheme of things, getting caught up 91 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 2: in a lot of this bullshit, and the cancel culture 92 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: that surrounds celebrities is really a huge fucking waste of 93 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 2: everyone's time. 94 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 3: Right, You texted me and you're like, it's just so dumb, 95 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 3: and it's like this indication that we need to we 96 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 3: needed a term for online outrage, and which I thought 97 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 3: was so fascinating because the reason. 98 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 2: You s canceled, like what does that even mean? 99 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: It mean? Right? 100 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 3: And the reason we say what does it mean? Is 101 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 3: because the more we researched who's been canceled, a lot 102 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 3: of them are back. You know, you're in jail or 103 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 3: your back. That's what it felt like. Like it was just 104 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 3: like one or the other. And again, like we're not 105 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 3: sitting here trying to condone bad behavior. I think it's 106 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: also a little tricky though, if I'm being honest as 107 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 3: people who work in the entertainment industry, I'm like. 108 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: This shit ain't new. 109 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 3: You think Harvey Weinstein stuff was like that's He's not 110 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: an exception. That is like been rampant and obviously, like 111 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 3: the me Too movement really did help change a lot 112 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 3: of that stuff. 113 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: I really do think that, and. 114 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 3: I feel like some of the things that we have 115 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 3: fought for have gone very extreme at this point, and 116 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 3: so I'm just exhausted, and I think a lot of 117 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 3: people are feeling that it's like really scary to even 118 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 3: say anything. And that was why i was like struggling 119 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 3: with this podcast, because I'm like, how do we talk about. 120 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: How are we not going to get canceled and gotta 121 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: get canceled? 122 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 3: Like how do you say anything about anything these days 123 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 3: or have an opinion about anything and not just get 124 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 3: the shit beat out of you for having an opinion? 125 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 2: Well, you know what I think is the most toxic 126 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: part of the canceled culture tell us is when people 127 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 2: who when someone speaks up that literally never had an 128 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 2: opinion about that person or that thing before, Like I'm 129 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: just to have an opinion or just to be part 130 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 2: of the discourse, and like I'm going to give an example, 131 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: like please the whole like Balenciaga outrage about them, like 132 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 2: I don't even remember they like but like they had 133 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 2: k teddy bears or something. 134 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, that the kids were holding, So there was children involved. 135 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 3: And then there were these teddy bears that had like 136 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 3: kind of s and M type not ropes. 137 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: What are this bondage? 138 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 2: Bondage? 139 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: And people were like why which, okay, fair why that 140 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 3: was just a bad artistic direction. It was stupid, but 141 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 3: like to get rid of all this is. 142 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: What I'm saying. 143 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 2: It's like, Also, also. 144 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 3: Did you really throw away your clothes out? That's what 145 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 3: I want to know the people who they were thrown 146 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 3: it away? I was like, where's there is a lot. 147 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: Of money, but I would I would venture to say 148 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: a lot of the people who had online outrage about 149 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 2: it have probably never purchased a single piece of Balenciaga 150 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: because it ain't fucking. 151 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: Cheap, no, you know, Okay, so it's. 152 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 2: Not your average person that's running around in Balenciaga. 153 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: Right. 154 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 3: The point that I think that is so like perfect 155 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 3: here that you're making is just like like why are 156 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 3: we so black and white as a culture? Like and 157 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 3: we've talked about this a little bit, and we'll get 158 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 3: into this in a second with the Will Smith thing, 159 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 3: but we're so black and white that instead of saying, hey, 160 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 3: that campaign needs to come down, reshoot something, do something different, 161 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 3: like take a beat, get some new creative direction. That 162 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 3: one didn't work, that one didn't help it. 163 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: We just don't buy Balanciaga, you know what I mean? Too? 164 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 3: This is what I'm saying is like you just didn't 165 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 3: like the ad, The ad can go down, and then 166 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 3: let's all fucking move on. Why can't Balenciaga still exists. 167 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 3: It's it's a creative like fashion is creative. It is 168 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 3: creative expression. It's meant to push buttons. They just that 169 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 3: was just not one that hit right. 170 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: Take it down? How many I didn't like it? And 171 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: move on? 172 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: Well? You know how many like memes that I get of, 173 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: like ads from the eighties that if they were on 174 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: television today, could you could? I mean scenes from movies 175 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 2: and by the way, all stuff that we thought was 176 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 2: funny back then or completely safe to say. But you know, 177 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 2: as a culture, we've gotten really sensitive, overly sensitive, really sensitive, 178 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 2: and overly like divided, so we want it's like it's 179 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: all about the gotcha moment. 180 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 3: Let me catch you doing this thing and prove that 181 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 3: you're a bad person. And the point that you missed 182 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 3: there is like are you doing everything perfect in your life? 183 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 3: Because I know it's like I am debit. 184 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 2: Not, I mean, which is probably why I don't post 185 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 2: that much on Instagram, Like yeah, you know, I like 186 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: I have scars, you know, I have bruises, and bumps. 187 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 2: I am not a perfect human being. I own my mistakes, 188 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: but you know, I certainly don't want to be canceled 189 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: for them. I think part of the human experience is 190 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: learning from the things that we fail at and that 191 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: we do poorly, and that we just get wrong sometimes, 192 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: you know, like I have said things, you know, that 193 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: I didn't mean in a bad way, like and had 194 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: to be had to like a friend address it with 195 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: me so I could explain it further. You know. It's 196 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: like I think it's we've lost in society in general. 197 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 2: I think we've lost like the ability to underd to 198 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 2: like to include the intention. You know. It's like, look, 199 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: I'm sure there are plenty of things that people say 200 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 2: that are off color and should not be said. But 201 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: before we take things or do things, it's not just 202 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: it's said or done. I think before we have knee 203 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 2: jerk reactions to everything, we should think about the intention 204 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: behind what was said or done and give someone a 205 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: learning moment rather than just being like I'm done with you, 206 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 2: fuck you, You're canceled. And it's but you know, we 207 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: live in a we live in a world now where 208 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 2: people want fucking clicks like they want they want someone 209 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 2: to respond to them. They want the celebrity to comment 210 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 2: back to them. They want all of those They want 211 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 2: things to be driven to their Twitter pages and their 212 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: Instagram pages, just so that they can feel that validation. 213 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: And that's so stupid to me. 214 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 3: Well, we we did a whole podcast about the Will 215 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 3: Smith slap of Chris Rock. 216 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: This was Godwin. Was that a year ago? Two years ago? 217 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: I don't even remember. 218 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: And probably was it the Oscars this year? 219 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 3: No, it was two Oscars ago, like not this Oscars, 220 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 3: within the Oscars before. Okay, so too, whatever that is, 221 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 3: you guys do the math. I'm not going to ask. Yeah, 222 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 3: but anyway, you know, I was very much on an 223 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 3: island with my opinion about. 224 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: The whole thing. 225 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 3: And never ever, ever was I condoning that Will Smith 226 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 3: should have got up on a stage and slapped Chris Rock. 227 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 3: But what I do find in our culture, and this 228 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 3: is a big generalization, so take this with a grain 229 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 3: of salt to everyone, but like we are lacking in 230 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 3: so much empathy, and like you said, like we don't 231 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 3: look at the bigger picture, like of all the other 232 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 3: things that are probably going on, and especially with celebrity, 233 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 3: we hold them to these standards that are like you 234 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 3: better be a fucking robot or you're gone, because like, 235 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 3: we don't know what Will Smith was working through at 236 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 3: that time, or what his childhood looked like, or why 237 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 3: he felt the need to defend his wife, Like, we 238 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 3: don't know those things. Would another person going through the 239 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: same situation and have felt differently maybe, but his life 240 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 3: experience in that moment I do believe had made him 241 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 3: have a reaction. And if you are a human who 242 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 3: can sit in front of me and tell me you 243 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 3: have never been prompted to a reaction and then gone, 244 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 3: well shit, I that wrong, correct, then props to you. 245 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 3: You should be in the Guinness Book of World Records, 246 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 3: like put you in a museum of some sort. You 247 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 3: need to be studied by a scientists, because that is 248 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 3: like a miracle. But we like didn't look at that. 249 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 3: Everyone just looks at the behavior. Number one, he apologized. 250 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 3: Number two, it seems like he went on like a 251 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 3: year long journey of healing and looking deep into the 252 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 3: trauma that was behind it. So to me, I'm like, 253 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 3: does Will Smith need to never be in a movie again? 254 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. He's a great actor. 255 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 3: I look at that and I'm like, well, shit, at 256 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 3: least he's owning is miss. There are many people and 257 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 3: many people that I know in the public eye in 258 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 3: like in life in general or whatever that just will 259 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: never apologize. So perhaps to him to apologizing on such 260 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 3: a big scale and owning his mistake and going, well, shit, 261 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 3: I have some stuff to work on, Like what else 262 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 3: can we ask of people? 263 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: That's what I want to know. 264 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 2: That's called a learning moment, you know, And it's like, God, 265 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 2: it happened on the world stage, and obviously it will 266 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 2: never happen, will never be have the opportunity to make 267 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 2: a mistake in front of that many people. I hope 268 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 2: I was to say, you know, I do think he 269 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 2: did the right thing. And it's like, you know, but 270 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 2: I was entertained by the like craziness of the whole 271 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: thing because it was a crazy moment in pop culture. Okay, 272 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 2: but I had nothing to do. It had nothing to 273 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 2: do with me, Like my opinion really didn't matter, And 274 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 2: I do think like it was important. But I do 275 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 2: think it was important for him to address it, and he, 276 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 2: like I think he validated himself. It doesn't take away 277 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 2: the fact that he did something wrong, but he manned up, apologized, 278 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 2: and took action to better himself, right, And I think 279 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: that's what is missing from a lot of this, like 280 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 2: all the cancel culture stuff, like we you know, we've 281 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: obviously had some major things happen in Nashville this year, 282 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: and I think the approach that a lot of people 283 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 2: take is just to not address it and it goes away. 284 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: I don't know that that's necessarily the right thing. I 285 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: think it's like it's important to like acknowledge that you 286 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 2: upset people and say that you're going to do better. 287 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, what I think is what you talked about. 288 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 3: And I've talked about this a lot because of my 289 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 3: experience on reality TV, Like I was coached and told 290 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 3: by multiple people in publicity, like don't acknowledge this. 291 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: This isn't true. 292 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 3: If you weigh in, it becomes a bigger thing, almost, 293 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 3: And I think that that was right as far as 294 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 3: I probably wasn't gonna be able to. 295 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: Escape the hate. 296 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 3: And I really needed that story or wanted that story 297 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 3: to go away because it affected like my personal life 298 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 3: and my huge client base that I've worked twenty years 299 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 3: to build that were totally separate of that, Like I 300 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 3: had other things I had a family happening at the time, 301 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 3: like with children, Like there were many things that factored 302 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 3: into me being like this is not first of all, 303 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 3: not a representation of myself, and then also not a 304 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 3: war that I wanted to be in. It was very painful, 305 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 3: it was a real friendship and all those things. But 306 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 3: I will say not saying anything has like almost been terrible. 307 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 2: Probably prolonged it, to be honest. 308 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: It definitely prolonged my healing. 309 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: I will say that, Yeah, that's what I mean. 310 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: My healing. 311 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 3: And like the fact that I didn't say anything, I 312 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 3: think there are just people who just assumed certain things 313 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 3: about me and never will not And now it's like 314 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 3: so late in the game that it's just like I 315 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 3: don't think that they're the people that are probably following 316 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 3: me anymore to you know, to even like it doesn't 317 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 3: it's just that it's different. 318 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: And like the trace is their opinion of you doesn't 319 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 2: really matter, you. 320 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: Know, it doesn't. 321 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 3: I built an online business, so it does matter. Actually, 322 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 3: Like that's what people don't get is they're like, you 323 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 3: can't worry about what people think about you who don't 324 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 3: know you, and you can't. But that is also a 325 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 3: huge ask of someone like you know, you hear the 326 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 3: Kardashian say stuff all the time about well you just 327 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 3: can't look at comments and you can't. But like, as 328 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 3: a human, that takes a lot. They have gone through 329 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 3: a lot of fucking hate to get to that point. 330 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 3: They've gone through a lot of practice to get to 331 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 3: that point, because as a human, no matter who you are, 332 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 3: no matter how successful you are, no matter how pretty 333 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 3: you are, no matter any of the things that we 334 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 3: deem as like a person who could be untouchable, you're 335 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 3: just not unless you're a fucking sociopath. 336 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: Like, it still hurts. It just does. 337 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 3: It messes with your confidence, It messes with your relationship 338 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 3: with yourself. And I just think it's interesting that we 339 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 3: keep pointing the finger at these celebrities that are sucking 340 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 3: up and I'm like, Yo, you're on social media trolling 341 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 3: someone you don't know, weighing in on a situation that 342 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 3: you know nothing about. People forget the entertainment business is 343 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 3: just that it's entertainment, Like there is so much falset 344 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 3: false what's the word? 345 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: Like, damn it? 346 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 3: I hate when I'm on a rant and I forget. 347 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 3: I don't know how to say a word. But there's 348 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 3: just so many false narratives presented all the time and 349 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 3: the entertainment business, and it's like, if you guys knew 350 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 3: what was really going on, you'd be like, oh, like 351 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 3: it's just I don't know. I think because we have 352 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 3: such an insider view of it, it changes everything because 353 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 3: you're just like this is insane, Like these people are 354 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 3: sitting at a keyboard yelling at someone, like I know 355 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 3: many people who should probably be yelled at that way 356 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 3: who aren't. And then you see the ones who like 357 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 3: say one thing or like me, like I never had 358 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 3: bad intentions in my situation. My situation didn't even really happen, 359 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 3: but I was like used as a storyline, and so 360 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 3: I had people who never know, like would never know 361 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 3: me or didn't know me or whatever telling me they 362 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 3: wanted me to die. 363 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 2: Like what. 364 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: Crazy? 365 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I don't know. 366 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: I just yeah, go. 367 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 2: Ahead, Well, I mean it's I'm going to try and 368 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: like bring it back a little bit more centered too, 369 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 2: because in doing research trying to find like ridiculous ways 370 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 2: that yeah, celebrities were canceled, I found some things that, 371 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 2: like you know, that Balenciaga thing that I brought up 372 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna give another example, the whole like ticket Master 373 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 2: debacle around the Tailor Swift concerts. 374 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: Like what is a Ticketmaster canceled ticket? 375 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 2: They try to cancel Ticketmaster and like, I can't even 376 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 2: keep up. The Tennessee Attorney General said that he vowed 377 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 2: to investigate Ticketmaster, but basically it was like, you know, 378 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 2: a bunch of irate Taylor Swift fans or parents of 379 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 2: Tailor Swift fans that weren't able to get tickets to 380 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 2: what was arguably the hottest tour of the century, and 381 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 2: you know, people waited in line for eight hours, and 382 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 2: it's like, do you mean to tell me that every 383 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 2: single person expected to be able to get a ticket 384 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: to something that has limited tickets? 385 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: Apparently it just. 386 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 2: You just didn't win that time. Go to another fucking city, 387 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 2: you know, or it just wasn't your opportunity to see it. 388 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 2: And it's like, how can Ticketmaster be held accountable for 389 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 2: the rooms that she is playing not having enough seats 390 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 2: to accommodate every single person that wants to go, Like 391 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 2: that's just life. Sometimes it doesn't work out for you, 392 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 2: and it doesn't make ticket Master the enemy. The Ticketmaster 393 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 2: doesn't up shitty things like with their the fees and 394 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 2: all of that, like be mad about that stuff, but like, 395 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: you know, sorry you didn't get a ticket, Like it 396 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 2: doesn't it doesn't mean that you should go on and 397 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: try and cancel a company or that that our legislature 398 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 2: needs to get involved. Because Taylor Swift fans didn't get it. 399 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: To me, our legislator got involved. 400 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 2: I don't even the Tennessee Attorney General vowed to investigate ticket. 401 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: That's what we're fighting. 402 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 2: What yeah, like what. 403 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: Oh my god? 404 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like there's only so many tickets people, 405 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 2: And I get it. People are mad. And I guess back, 406 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 2: maybe this is me showing my age. But like back 407 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 2: when I was a kid, if I was upset about something, 408 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 2: I had to complain to my sister, my friends, or 409 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 2: my mom. 410 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: You know, like now it's like now. 411 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 2: You go online and bitch and so it's like this 412 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 2: big public bitch fest. 413 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: It's exhausting to it's exhausting. 414 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 3: Like you are making some points earlier about do you 415 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 3: remember when I was just like I see, I just 416 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 3: don't even want to Like I'm like so exhausted, I 417 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 3: like don't even want to talk about this. Here we 418 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,959 Speaker 3: are on a podcast here, we are in public, and 419 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 3: I'm just like, oh, but aren't we tired? Like can't 420 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 3: we all just get along? Like I totally resonate with 421 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 3: Rodney King nowadays, Like I'm just like, it's just like. 422 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: Why what are we doing? 423 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 2: Look, I think the biggest problem with it is there 424 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 2: are Look, there are plenty of real injustices that are happening, 425 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 2: you know, all over the world, politically, culturally, socially, there's 426 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 2: plenty of things. But because there's just how many use 427 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 2: a big word, a cacophony of people bitching about dumb shit. 428 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: I wish the listeners could raise their hand on if 429 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: they know. 430 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 2: What that means. It's just like a noise where lots 431 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 2: of sounds come together as a coffony of sound. And anyway, 432 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 2: it's like there's just like it's literally like we're it's 433 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 2: it's white noise. We're complaining about everything, So that does 434 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 2: anything really matter at this point? Because I feel like 435 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: we're all missing. And that's not to say that there 436 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 2: are people that are shouting about the things that are important, 437 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: because there are people shouting about the things that are important, 438 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 2: But you know, it's like being upset at Sea because 439 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 2: of someone that she cast in a movie without knowing 440 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 2: what went into the casting process is a waste of 441 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 2: people's time. 442 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's hard to say that there are 443 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 3: certain people arguing about the things that are important, because 444 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 3: who gets to say what's important and what's not, you know, Like, 445 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 3: and I think the Sea argument in general, I read 446 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 3: that one too. The weird thing is is like it's 447 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 3: happening so much that the articles we were reading about 448 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 3: who got canceled and all this stuff, I was like, 449 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 3: they got canceled or canceled? 450 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 2: What they got canceled? 451 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: I couldn't. Yeah, the Sea thing, I haven't even heard 452 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: about that. 453 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 2: Well, I also think that, like, again, we use the 454 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 2: word canceled to way too loosely. You know, it's just 455 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 2: a term. 456 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, well they got she got in trouble for some 457 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 3: casting stuff that she was trying to do a movie 458 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 3: about autism? 459 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 2: Is that? Yeah? About about a nonverbal girl with all right, 460 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 2: which healed through music. 461 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 3: Sure, which is seemingly a great topic, I would think, 462 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 3: and trying to shine light on autism and healing and 463 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 3: all of those things. And because she didn't cast someone 464 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 3: who was actually autistic, she actually said she tried. 465 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, she actually said she originally did, but it wasn't 466 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 2: a good. 467 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 3: Well the girl was too overstimulated. Yeah, and the actor 468 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 3: actually backed out, it sounded like, but so yeah, she 469 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 3: got attacked for that and she actually fought back, which 470 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 3: you were saying, like, I think it's great when you 471 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 3: fight back, but then there's people like the baby who 472 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 3: fight back and they really like hamper down On, like 473 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 3: he said some really cool things. He got called out 474 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 3: and then he just would not let it double down. 475 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 2: There's a difference between double down, doubling down, and standing 476 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 2: up for yourself. And I'll read what Sea said. She 477 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 2: was like, she was like, I cast thirteen neuro atypical people, 478 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 2: three transfolk, and not as fucking prostitutes or drug addicts, 479 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: but as doctors, nurses, and singers. She wrote, fucking sad, 480 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 2: nobody's even seen the dang movie. My heart has always 481 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 2: been in the right place. And then she added, I 482 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: actually tried to work with a beautiful, young nonverbal girl 483 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 2: on the spectrum and found it and she found it 484 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 2: unpleasant and stressful, So that's why she cast Maddie. And 485 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 2: it's like, the point I think that she was making 486 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 2: is like, you know, don't come at me when she 487 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 2: was Actually the intention was really good. She was trying 488 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 2: to share a story and shine a light on the 489 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 2: plight of people that struggle in the world, but it 490 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 2: was overshadowed by people being up said about something that 491 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 2: they didn't even know what the reason was or Oh, that's. 492 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 3: Where it starts to feel like people just want to 493 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 3: be upset, And I think that that's what our whole 494 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 3: point here is. It's like, are we house cleaning the 495 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 3: right things? 496 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 2: It's funny to me that this is the way that 497 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: people try to connect with other people, because that's really 498 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 2: what it is. There is an emptiness and it's a 499 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 2: tribe mentality. Yeah, and it's like, you know again, it's 500 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 2: also everyone's looking for clicks and validation online, which is 501 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 2: really sad and scary, but it's the world we live 502 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 2: in and. 503 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: It's all that we know how to do. 504 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 2: I think I think there's a tribe mentality to it. 505 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 2: And it's like, you know, politics has become so divisive 506 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 2: and so you know, it's you know, I read an 507 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 2: article the other day, less than a million people watch 508 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 2: the MTV Video Music Awards. Less than a million people. 509 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 2: They had some of the biggest stars in the world, 510 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: But twelve million people watched the GOP first debate. 511 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: That's where we are now, so culturally. 512 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 2: Politics, some of those people are the biggest rock stars 513 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 2: in the world, you know, like that's what we're paying 514 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 2: attention to. And but they've gotten so divisive that it's 515 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 2: become this US versus them mentality, which then feeds into 516 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 2: the sort of whole tribe mentality of like, that's the 517 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 2: side of the line that I'm on, and what what 518 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 2: we've lost is understanding the ability to have a conversation. 519 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: Other people, to have different opinions than us. 520 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the ability to forgive. And you know, forgiveness 521 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 2: isn't necessarily meant to be a gift to the person 522 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 2: that you're forgiving. Forgiveness is a gift to yourself because 523 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 2: it allows you to move on. Carrying around the negative 524 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 2: energy or hate or disagreement or all whatever the word 525 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,479 Speaker 2: is is unhealthy. Like there are people that you know, 526 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 2: I've cut out of my life that I disagree with, 527 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 2: but I don't harbor any hate for them because it's 528 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 2: just I've forgiven and moved on. And I think that 529 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 2: is sort of that it plays into the that my 530 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 2: mentality of like sort of live and let live. Sometimes 531 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 2: it takes me a minute to process it and figure out, 532 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 2: you know, where that person is going to stand in 533 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 2: my life. But you know, I also firmly believe that 534 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 2: some relationships are only meant to be a small fraction 535 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 2: of your life. Not everyone can be there from day 536 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 2: one to day totally. Yeah, you know. Yeah, And it 537 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 2: just like I think this topic is a little heavier 538 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 2: than either of us wanted it to be. But I 539 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 2: do think, like my point is, can we get back 540 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 2: to the laughter. Can we get back to like allowing 541 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 2: a joke to be a joke? 542 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: Can we laugh at yourself? 543 00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? 544 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 3: And like I feel like like yeah, and I mean 545 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 3: maybe it's a joke as a joke, but like I agree, 546 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 3: Like I think, to me, I'm just like we're putting 547 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,959 Speaker 3: so much energy into more hate actually, and so like 548 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 3: where is the love? 549 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 1: Where is the kindness? 550 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 2: Like? 551 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 3: Where is the allowing of other opinions and things that 552 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 3: like our culture, our country is supposed to be built on. 553 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 3: But it takes grace, and it takes empathy, and it 554 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,719 Speaker 3: takes letting go of your egos sometimes and you know, 555 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 3: dropping down and being like huh, I wonder what else 556 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 3: is going on for that person, or like not personalizing 557 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 3: things so much, and these big movements, I think, I 558 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 3: think the reason I get upset about them now is 559 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 3: that I do feel like they did serve a major 560 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 3: purpose and obviously, like I want all of those things, 561 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 3: like I am all for the women, I am all 562 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 3: for ending racism, all for all the things, And there's 563 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 3: always gonna be bad seeds in that too. There's people 564 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 3: who take advantage of the mood. There's people who are 565 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 3: going so extreme with it that it's absurd, you know, 566 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 3: and they're just trying to get money from suing a 567 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 3: big corporation for stuff. 568 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: Like it's sad. It's actually really sad. 569 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 3: But that's always going to be the way our world 570 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 3: is because where there's people, there's problems. As my mom says, 571 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 3: like it's just the truth. 572 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 2: Ye know, we're fallible people, We're human. 573 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 3: But does it do I guess the question is does 574 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 3: it do any good to put your energy into hating 575 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 3: those people or is it better to like focus on 576 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 3: what can I bring to the situation that's positive or 577 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 3: like how can I be kind here? Or like that 578 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 3: kind of thing, you know. And I think I've had 579 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 3: a lot of lessons of that in the last year, 580 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 3: even of just seeing like so we are still really 581 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 3: doing this this like gotcha mentality, this whatever, and just 582 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 3: watching it contribute to what I view as the bigger 583 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 3: problem in our culture right now and the only thing 584 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 3: I know how to do in situations. And I don't 585 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 3: know if this is right or wrong. This is just 586 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 3: like what my instincts tell me is to go in 587 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 3: and be kind like and try to like to listen 588 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 3: and and a doun't I definitely don't always agree. I 589 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 3: don't like you know, but like I actually also don't 590 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 3: always need to share my opinion on everything, if that 591 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 3: makes sense, Like it's just sort of like taking notes 592 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 3: and just saying, you know, you're probably not a person 593 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 3: that's like for me, like we're not going to be friends. 594 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 3: Like and it's not like I say that, but like 595 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 3: I can choose who gets to come into my life 596 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 3: and who doesn't. I can choose what shows I watch, 597 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 3: what podcasts I listen to, what music I listen to. 598 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 3: But I also don't need to like get on Spotify 599 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 3: and talk shit about these artists that I don't like 600 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 3: their music. 601 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 2: Like say yeah, I mean I like to think it 602 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 2: more as can we change canceled to sanctioned, And it's 603 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, like like in the pocketbook. Yeah, 604 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 2: like I'm going to sanction you, like you know what, 605 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 2: you're actually a shitty actor anyway, I'm just not going 606 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 2: to see your movies, Like, yeah, now you've proven you're 607 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 2: a shitty person and I'm just not going to see your. 608 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: Reale for now, for now, and we'll see how this 609 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: plays out. 610 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 2: But maybe you'll make a good movie and change my mind. 611 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love that sanction. 612 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 2: So I'm going to sanction people. 613 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: Okay. 614 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 3: So that's our house cleaning for today, is that we're 615 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 3: not we're talking to you cancel culture. And actually I've 616 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 3: probably i think probably most people listening right now are 617 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 3: like in line with us that they're exhausted. Everyone I've 618 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 3: talked to is like this is this is ridiculous, Like 619 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 3: and also we're so sensitive, and that's coming from maybe 620 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 3: the most. 621 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 2: Feeling is literally the Queen of sensitivity. 622 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 3: Literally like if I'm saying it's too sensitive, guys, it's 623 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 3: like out of control. It truly is just beyond because 624 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 3: you can't say anything any these days about someone getting 625 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 3: upset like this is why I didn't want to do 626 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 3: this podcast because I was just like, you can't hear 627 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 3: about anymore or God forbid, I say things that someone 628 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 3: deems you know, like I say it wrong and I'm 629 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 3: just processing here, like we're all like I think, it's 630 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 3: like you get put in an impossible situation when you 631 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 3: have a platform because you're wrong if you don't talk 632 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 3: about it, and then you're wrong if you say it 633 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 3: the wrong way or if you say something. 634 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 2: Up and sing it. 635 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: It's just like, good God, you can't win for trying 636 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: to cancel. 637 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,239 Speaker 2: Let's cancel the hate. How about that? I love that 638 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 2: lead with love, Cancel. 639 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: The hate, sanction the bad behavior. 640 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 2: Sanction bad behavior, you know, because you can lift a sanction. 641 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 3: You know that's true, and that yeah, you and I 642 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 3: were talking about when we were talking about the ridiculousness 643 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 3: of it, and like we talked about this in the 644 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 3: Will Smith podcast as well. But the thing we miss 645 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 3: when we cancel and we just get done with someone 646 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 3: for one thing that they said or did wrong. I mean, 647 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 3: I understand some of the things are not forgivable, and 648 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 3: maybe it's a pattern of behavior that you know, someone 649 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 3: does need to like take a step back, and maybe 650 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 3: there's legal ramifications or whatever you want to say, but 651 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 3: mostly when it's a situation like Will Smith is always 652 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 3: the perfect example to me, like if someone he's sanctioned, right, 653 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 3: he got sanctioned my. 654 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 2: Opinion, and he will still get hired. He will not 655 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 2: be canceled. 656 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 3: You can't get up on a stage and slap somebody 657 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 3: like that is just not okay, it's physical abuse. 658 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: But he got so he got sanctioned. 659 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 3: But like again, we're not if we just get rid 660 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 3: of Will Smith forever, we're not giving anyone in that 661 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 3: kind of job the chance to be human and the 662 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 3: chance to like learn and grow. It isn't that the 663 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 3: whole fucking point of life. It has been for me. 664 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 3: It's not like oh no, but also you're knowing how. 665 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: To do this. 666 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 2: But I do think that like, just because somebody makes 667 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 2: a single mistake, let's sanction them instead of canceling them, 668 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 2: because it's like, you know, it's like when you were 669 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 2: in preschool you had to go put your nose in 670 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 2: the corner, but you didn't get kicked out of fucking school. 671 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 3: Well, because you're learning how to be like in school, 672 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 3: you're what three year olds. You're learning how to maybe 673 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 3: evolve into a four year. 674 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 2: Old, and it doesn't mean that you just never get 675 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 2: to come back. Like it's like, hey, go put your 676 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 2: nose in the corner and think about what you did 677 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 2: and then apologize to the person that you hit on 678 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 2: the playground or. 679 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 3: Whatever it was, and like maybe learn how to do 680 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 3: it differently next time. You know, we were taught as 681 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 3: your kid, you're like, yeah, you don't hit when you 682 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 3: want your toy. You asked for your toy back nicely. 683 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 3: Like it's like, where does that go as an adult? 684 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 3: We don't have it figured out. Jigs up, guys like yeah, 685 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 3: I feel like most parents would say that. It's like 686 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 3: the order you get, you just think, oh, my parents 687 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 3: had this all figured out. Then you become a parent 688 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 3: and you're like, uh, I have no clue what I'm 689 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,919 Speaker 3: doing and it becomes really obvious, you know. And that's 690 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 3: just life in general. So that's celebrities too, that's all 691 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 3: of it. It's all of us. Definitely, ye us sitting 692 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 3: on this. 693 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 2: Podcast, sit up here judging all these bad actors. 694 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 3: All right, Well, if you guys have opinions on this, 695 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 3: I guess we're open to them, and I'm just kidding. 696 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 3: We are open to them. 697 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: I just asked that. 698 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 3: You always deliver it and then kind and we're definitely. 699 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 3: I'm always open for discussion. I just am so tired 700 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 3: of being like just just no hate. You know, if 701 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 3: you don't have anything nice to say, or you don't 702 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 3: want to have an open discussion where we have differing opinions, 703 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:13,720 Speaker 3: keep it to yourself. 704 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. 705 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 2: Well, yeah what or or deliver it as a question, 706 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 2: like make it a dialogue. Yeah, just like an attack. 707 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 2: I'd love to have a. 708 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 3: Thought provoking conversation and I always want to be stimulated 709 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 3: or learn more. 710 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, change my mind, Yeah, change my mind if like, 711 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 2: if you're if there is something that like you are 712 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 2: that without being hateful, you know, if there's something that 713 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 2: you're committed to so strongly in your beliefs, then change 714 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,720 Speaker 2: my mind. Give me a reason to think differently. 715 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 3: Right, and I'll tell you how you don't change your 716 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 3: hand is if you just come hate me. Yeah, it 717 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 3: actually just shuts me down and like makes me block. 718 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 2: You hate me silently. I don't care if you like me. 719 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 2: I mean I do appreciate you listening. 720 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, hopefully. 721 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,720 Speaker 3: If you yeah, and if you have anything to weigh 722 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 3: in on, you can always email us at the edge 723 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 3: at velvet edge dot com. You can hit me up 724 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 3: on Insta. I'm at velvet Edge. 725 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 2: Chip send all hate mail to at velvet Edge. I'm kidding. 726 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 2: You can send my hate mail button. So h I 727 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 2: P D O R S C H. 728 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 3: I'm sure I said some things that maybe I didn't 729 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 3: fully mean in this podcast, but I really tried my 730 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 3: best to sanction us. 731 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:31,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 732 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 3: Well, also though, I really did try my best to 733 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,879 Speaker 3: just express how I'm feeling right now, and feelings are 734 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 3: not facts. We're just processing here today, So please take 735 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 3: it all, take what you like and leave the rest. 736 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 3: That's what I would like to say. And as you 737 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 3: guys go into your weekend and you're living on the edge, 738 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 3: I hope you always remember. 739 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: Too at casual, Please that casual guys go 740 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 2: Bye.