1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: The Team forty seven podcast is brought to you by 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Cozy Earth. 3 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 2: Comfort, style and quality. You can count on Cozy Earth. 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 3: Team forty seven with Clay and Buck starts. 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 2: Now Tom Holman with us. Tom, thanks for mating the Tom. 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: I don't know if you heard my preamble there for 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 2: a second, but can can you just explain to people 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 2: real quick? This physically present in the United States for 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: asylum seekers? What is this metering policy? How'd this get going? 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I just got on. My flight was late. 11 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 4: I just got into a room. I didn't hear that. 12 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: Clay, I'm sorry, Oh no, it's Buck. It's okay. So 13 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: there's a there's a under the immigrant anyway, you know what, 14 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: just tell me this. Let's actually jump into the airport thing, 15 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: because that's what everybody cares about. I was trying to 16 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: do a elegant radio turn there, but instead let's just 17 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 2: get to what everyone cares about, which is ice in 18 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: the airports. How's this going? What are the next steps? 19 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: What are you seeing? 20 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 4: First? Bucks, Bucks, Sackson, got brab them talking you. I 21 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 4: didn't know what Mauntain talked to I got I got 22 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 4: more jobs at Mark Rubio Hey. Look bottom line is 23 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,639 Speaker 4: what's happening in the airports is with Trump's. President Trump's 24 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 4: idea who called me up in less than twenty four 25 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 4: hours with the flanning. I think the brilliant idea idea. 26 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 4: But look, you know that the ICE is being paid, uh, 27 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 4: President Trump as get to the airports to help because 28 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 4: a lot of TSA workers are calling in or they're 29 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 4: just playing quitting. So we're going up to do two things. 30 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 4: Number one, going to shore up the security of that airport, 31 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 4: keep the you know, airways safe, and we're going to 32 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 4: support TSA. So jobs that don't require like the X 33 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 4: ray training, other security jobs, where the tech check and identification, 34 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 4: where was you know, luggage, whether it's you know, providing 35 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 4: security around the checkpoints, whether it's you know, you know 36 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 4: whatever TSA needs us to do to move those lines 37 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 4: quicker and to keep security at the highest level. That's 38 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 4: what we're doing. But I want to add one more thing. 39 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 4: And see a lot of stories about ICE, immigration and 40 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 4: enforcement airports. No, you're damn right. You know our purpose 41 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 4: there's helped TSA provide secure and get people to the checkpoints. However, 42 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 4: these ahsire officers and er officers they see and we 43 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 4: were a TV. They're going to absolutely take action. So yeah, 44 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 4: we're doing a little bit on everything right now. 45 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: Do you expect that this is Clay thanks for coming on. 46 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: You were just talking with Buck. I know how busy 47 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: you are. Do you expect you just said you're damn right? 48 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 4: Uh? 49 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you just said you're damn right. Do you expect 50 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: that TSA will be able to help you with ice 51 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: arrest people because and you tell me if I'm wrong here, 52 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: But what I think about is people are showing up 53 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: with IDs, we know exactly who they are. It seems 54 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: like it could potentially be a very easy place to 55 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 1: figure out if you're arresting the right guys or gals. 56 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 4: Oh you want to talk about talking enforcement offers? Absolutely, 57 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 4: So everybody's gonna show ninety come true and we can 58 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 4: know every specialation in ear officers at a cell phone 59 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 4: with a capability of accessing our databases. So yeah, you 60 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 4: know this work. We're going on force immigration. When we 61 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 4: see it looks like table, we get lead or target lead, 62 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 4: you know from TSA saying we got information on this 63 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 4: one or that one. Yeah, we're going to do We're 64 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 4: gonna do our job. We're going to do you know, 65 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 4: open a criminal investigation, whether you know, if we've got 66 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 4: reasonle suspicion to question somebody or proper calls to rest somebody, 67 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 4: That's exactly what we're gonna do. We're gonna work with 68 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 4: our brothers and TSA to keep the airport safe. And 69 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 4: you know, and and someone's transversion to the airport that 70 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 4: not in the country league and we find out about it, 71 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 4: and we have reasonal suspicion, and you know, we're going 72 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 4: to we're going to take enforcement action. We're absolutely going 73 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 4: to do that. 74 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 2: We're talking to Tom Homan. 75 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw, but Philadelphia's district attorney 76 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: I believe his last name is Krasner said threatened to 77 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: arrest ICE agents at the airport. What's your reaction when 78 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: you hear uh Soros funded das making comments like that. 79 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 4: That's ridiculous. And you know, bottom minus uh Fetherer law 80 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 4: always Trump's local state law. So you know, we're reforming 81 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 4: our duties as as that to by Congress. We're not 82 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 4: making this up. We are enforcing immigration law and we're 83 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 4: going to do it all the piloty. I mean, I've 84 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 4: been up on the hill negotiating trying to get this 85 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 4: government back open, and they basically they say they don't 86 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 4: really want to abolish ICE, they want to just reform 87 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 4: I know the language are proposing. They want, you know, 88 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 4: they just want to shut it down. They want to 89 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 4: take tools away fe and ICE, and I'm not going 90 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 4: to do that. They've been hamstrung for four years under 91 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 4: Joe Biden. Now they're finally doing their duty. They're upholding Oh, 92 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 4: if they took their enforcing laws that Congress wrote and 93 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 4: was signed by President, and that's exactly what we're going 94 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 4: to do. So, you know, I'm frustrated. They obviously see 95 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 4: some sort of benefit on not funding the Department of 96 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 4: Homeland Security. Right We're in an elevated threat posture right now, 97 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 4: and they're and we got people from you know, cybersecurity 98 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 4: that aren't working. We got people, you know, the Coast 99 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 4: Guard they ain't being paid. We got people with you know, 100 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 4: TSA not being paid, FEMA not being paid. These people 101 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 4: are putting this country at great risk during an elevated 102 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 4: threat posture. It's just unbelievable that they're not willing to 103 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 4: come to the table and meet with us. I met 104 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 4: with them. They talk about reform, and immigration. But I've 105 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 4: been explaining to them the policies of enforcement has not 106 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 4: changed in thirty years. We had the same policies under Obama, 107 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 4: under Clinton, under Bush one and Bush two. So it's 108 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 4: not a policy issue, it's an execution issue. And we 109 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 4: fixed that. You know, there were some problems in Minneapolis, 110 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 4: and I went up there and President Trump asked me 111 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 4: to go up there and address and we addressed a 112 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 4: few issues. But most of the men and women ninety 113 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 4: nine percent are doing the right thing and we're on 114 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 4: the right mission. But I'm not going to sit there 115 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 4: and negotiate taking authorities or away from ICE to enforce 116 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 4: the law. It's just it's ridiculous. I'm tired of it. 117 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 2: We're speaking to Tom Homan. Borders are for this Trump 118 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 2: White House, and Tom, can you speak to where are 119 00:05:54,279 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: we in terms of illegal removals deportations one year and 120 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: change into this administration, and what are expectations, what is 121 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: on the horizon for deportations going forward? Is there a 122 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 2: plan to ramp up? 123 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 4: You know? 124 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 2: So basically, how how far have we come to this 125 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: point and where are we going over the next year? 126 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 4: Well, you know, the last year we got about you know, 127 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 4: a little over seven hundred thousand removals between the patrol 128 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 4: and US. The closest year to that was under bound 129 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 4: administration in twenty twelve when I was in euro we 130 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 4: were in moved four hundred nine thousand. So we brew 131 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 4: that out of water. And you know, I actually got 132 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 4: a Presidential Rink Award for that. You know how the 133 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,679 Speaker 4: Democrats have changed. I got an a war in twenty twelve 134 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 4: or four hundred nine thousand removals, and you know, highest 135 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 4: ward available. Now all of a sudden, I can't. I'm 136 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 4: not allowed to deport anybody. But you know, if we 137 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 4: have a seven hundred thousands, we're already making directly. But 138 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 4: we just brought ten thousand more, well not quite, we 139 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 4: got to almost that ten thousand, but we're hiring ten 140 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 4: thousand more enforcement officers, which is going to just increase 141 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 4: those men and women on the street, the sanctuary cities 142 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 4: and all this all this crap going on. Yes, it's 143 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 4: less efficient. We have to work harder, we have to 144 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 4: work smarter because they won't give us access to the jails. 145 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 4: But you know, like in Minnesota, you know, it was 146 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 4: terrible up there, but you know, I went up there 147 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 4: and I sat down, the governor sat down to a 148 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 4: g I sat down the mayor and next fined some them. 149 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 4: You don't want you don'tant all three thousand people in 150 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 4: the street. Then let me in the damn jail. Because 151 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 4: one agent can arrest one by bad guy in the jail, 152 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 4: but when he released, I got to send a whole 153 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 4: few jobs team to find him. And because of all 154 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 4: the hate and and and and the threats up there, 155 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 4: then we got to send a security team to back 156 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 4: up the ARS team. So we got dozen guys out there. 157 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 4: They could have done the job with one person in 158 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 4: the jail. And we got unprecedented cooperation in the county 159 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 4: jails throughout the state. We you know, we got state 160 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 4: prison system working with us. It made sense. It made 161 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 4: sense because less people are needed to do the job. 162 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 4: But you know, in the sanctuary cities, that's what it is. 163 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 4: Back in the day when I was an agent, we 164 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 4: had access to all the jails. One agent can rest 165 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 4: one bad guy, but they release them. Now we'll send 166 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 4: six or seven people for off the states are reasons 167 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 4: to find them. Find someone doesn't want to be arrested, 168 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 4: which is course much dangers for the community. Danger for 169 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 4: the more dangers for the aliens and anything that happen 170 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 4: the street, the rest of much dangerous for the agents. 171 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 4: But with ten thousand more agents will beat last year's number. 172 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 4: But you know, things like that, we got agents at 173 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 4: the airport now and rather than on the street. But 174 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 4: you know, the priority right now is get the airport secure, 175 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 4: move those lines through and help our brothers and sisters 176 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 4: in TSA. But as soon as the shutdown ends, and 177 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 4: I think it's going to come out to reconciliation because 178 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 4: this negotiation is going nowhere, I mean we give a 179 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 4: little bit, they take away a bunch. It's just it's 180 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 4: just ridiculous. So when we get the government back open, 181 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 4: then I can get out there and get back to 182 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 4: the main mission. But I want to be clear, We're 183 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 4: going to leave a contingent at the airport because we 184 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 4: got human trafficking through the airport, we got current smuggling 185 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 4: through the airport, We've got alien smugging through the airport. 186 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,719 Speaker 4: We've always had a small footprint there, but what we're 187 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 4: seeing now we may have a bigger contingent there to 188 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 4: enforce immigration along there too. 189 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: We're talking to borders are Tom Tom Homan you told 190 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: us before that you thought there were twenty million illegals 191 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: in the country. After Biden opened the border and let 192 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: everybody in, you just talked about I think the number 193 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: was seven hundred thousand. How many people do you think 194 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: are voluntarily leaving? You know, people out there who see 195 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: what's going on and just say, hey, maybe this is 196 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: not the place for me. Do you have I know 197 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: there's been numbers out there, but what kind of sense 198 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: do you have about voluntary departures? 199 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 4: Well, it's court of DHS data. It's over two million 200 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 4: at for sharing a trump over two man either to 201 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 4: the home map CVP, home app or just leaving. A 202 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 4: CVP tracks a lot of people when they you know, 203 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 4: they land in foreign airports. But we don't really know 204 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 4: who goes south to the border travels south. But DHS 205 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 4: and through some indipendents studies said about two million. I 206 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 4: think the more and more. And let me let me 207 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 4: tell you something about ICE operation, about the secure boider. 208 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 4: Right we have the most secure border ever. We got 209 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 4: to give a lot of credit to what's happening, what 210 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 4: ICE is doing in the streets right now, because we 211 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 4: send a clear message is no longer a free ride. 212 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 4: If you're in this country legally, we're looking for you. 213 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 4: When the whole world sees ICE out there doing massive operations, 214 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 4: that sends a strong message, don't give you life stavments 215 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 4: to the cartel because you're not going to be released 216 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 4: from the border like the Biden administration did. And if 217 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 4: you happen to get by the border patrol, we're looking 218 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 4: for it. No more free ride. So I think, because 219 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 4: what ICE is doing nationwide is a big factor and 220 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 4: why we have the most secure border in the history 221 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 4: of this nation. 222 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: Tom Homan, borders are. We know how busy you are. 223 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: We appreciate you anything we. 224 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: Can I say something real quick. Yeah, just want to 225 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: say something real quick, Tom, Thank you for what you're doing, 226 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: you know, and thank you for representing the men and 227 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 2: women of ICE and DHS so well with all the 228 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: nonsense the Democrats have been trying. I just was watching 229 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 2: some TV show last night totally maligning ICE. You're a 230 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: true professional. You're serving your country and you know, thanks 231 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 2: from me, from Clay and from the whole audience. We 232 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: really appreciate you and all the men and women of 233 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 2: ICE who were doing their job under the constitution of 234 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 2: this country. 235 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 4: But let me add one thing that I appreciate those words. 236 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 4: Thank you, But you know, God bless the men women 237 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 4: of ice and boards. I was a borgislat. I know 238 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 4: what they're dealing with. I wasn an ice agent for 239 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 4: a long time. I know they're dealing with. I wish 240 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 4: these members of Congress rather than vilifying the men and 241 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 4: women of ice and call them the Nazis and the 242 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 4: secret pleach, which just increases the threats against them, increases 243 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 4: the violence against them. You know what girls said, put 244 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 4: a badge on your put a badge on your chest, 245 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 4: put a gun on your hip, and come out with us. 246 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 4: See what they're dealing with, and see what you have 247 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 4: caused from the constant negative rhetoric and comparing them to 248 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 4: the Nazis, which increases a threat against them, which increases 249 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 4: the doxing against them, which is increased assaults over fourt 250 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 4: So revenue is sitting here. Call us names, strap a 251 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 4: gun to your hip, put a couple ar best on 252 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 4: and come do what we do and see if you 253 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 4: can staying on the line. I guarantee you none can. 254 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely God bless tom to you and all those that 255 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 2: you're you're representing out there. Thank you so much. 256 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 3: You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck. 257 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 2: Well, let's talk straight to Horror Moves, the conflict with 258 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: Iran and bringing our friend Steve Yates. He's a senior 259 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 2: fellow at the Heritage Foundation of former Bush national security official, 260 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 2: and Steve, just take us through as you see it here. 261 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: We know Horror Moves is a choke point. Why is 262 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: this so complicated? What do you think can be done 263 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: about it? How do we resolve this thing? I saw 264 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 2: an editorial in the journal Wall Street Journal saying, you know, 265 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 2: we just got to land troops to secure the straight 266 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: and it's just going to be a quick operation. And 267 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 2: I'm like, hold on a second, I've heard that before. 268 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: What do you think about what's going on here? 269 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 5: Well, Buck, as you know, it's a very confined geography. 270 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 5: That's one of the major challenges. It's a very long 271 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 5: strip of water away where Iran has shoreline all along 272 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 5: one side. There are some very very wealthy neighbors on 273 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 5: the other side of that water they would like to 274 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 5: get their energy out to market. And then it goes 275 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 5: through this very narrow strait that is a choke point, 276 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 5: and there's an island in the middle of it that 277 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 5: Trump has hit some military targets on and has talked 278 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 5: about maybe taking control over that is responsible for refining 279 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 5: and has an extremely high proportion of Iran's oil endowment. 280 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 5: So I think people who say this is a simple 281 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 5: military operation might be under selling it a bit. They 282 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 5: are so close to Iran geographically that even with remnants 283 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 5: you might still get hit. And I think that's why 284 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 5: President Trump has done this some pressure but then pull 285 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 5: back and say, if we can get a deal that 286 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 5: gets them to relent and we reopen things, then we're 287 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 5: in a better place. And he also has pressured allies 288 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 5: to say, you know, we have a really small American 289 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 5: percentage of this oil. You guys come in and shepherd 290 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 5: your vessels out of here, and ther audience shouldn't shoot 291 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 5: at you. And so I think there's these at least 292 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 5: two layers that really need to get handled before the 293 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 5: curve is turned on this steve. 294 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: I think a lot of our listeners are just not 295 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: very familiar with the Strait of Horror moves. In general, 296 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: based on my reading, the vast majority of oil and 297 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: gas that is coming through the Strait of Horror moves 298 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: has no impact on the United States oil and gas 299 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: marketplace at all, and I think much of it ends 300 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: up going to China. With that in context to what 301 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: extent actually should this be a larger global issue? A 302 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: lot of the focus has been on the United States 303 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: oil and gas mark, but really it's more of a 304 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: global issue than it is a United States one. 305 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 5: Okay, that's right. But first and foremost oil is a 306 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 5: fungible good, which is a fancy word of meaning it 307 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 5: can shift in value and get sold and boughked in 308 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 5: any number of different ways. And so when oil goes 309 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 5: out of this lurisdiction area and goes to China, that 310 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 5: affects global supply in the market, and it affects prices, 311 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 5: and so any release of resources out of this conflict 312 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 5: zone will have downward pressure on price in some measure. 313 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 5: It's definitely the case that China is the overwhelming buyer 314 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 5: of Iran oil. It's probably because it's been sanctioned for 315 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 5: a long time and they've gotten it at a discount. 316 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 5: A President Trump is trying to remove that discount and 317 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 5: get them to pay for a little bit of the 318 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 5: security freight. India also depends on a good bit of 319 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 5: this too, but It's definitely one of these global commons 320 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 5: issues of where Europeans depend to some degree and Asian 321 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 5: major powers depend in a large degree in America's providing 322 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 5: them a star that Trump aims to get them to 323 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 5: pay a bill for Steve. 324 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 2: How do you assess the Trump I'm going to speaking 325 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: from the Trump perspective here. He said, we're gonna hit 326 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 2: the energy facilities, power plants, I believe, and energy facilities 327 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: in Iran unless they open the straight But then we 328 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: heard there's some backchannel negotiation. So he has put that 329 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 2: redline or he has moved that timeline down a bit. 330 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 2: How do you think this is going? Is it possible 331 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 2: to read into this? I mean, I know with Trump, 332 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: I feel like part of the strategy is actually a 333 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: little bit of the perception of chaos that the opposition 334 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: can take from his statements. What do you think about 335 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 2: what he's doing? 336 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 5: Well, Buck, you know, from people who've been longtime practitioners, 337 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 5: we think of this as somewhat straight state craft. I 338 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 5: think of it as Trump craft. He hits like a sledgehammer, 339 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 5: and then he'll pull back and he'll look for where 340 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 5: are their deals? And he recognizes just common sense that 341 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 5: if we can get them to relent and engage in 342 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 5: some kind of a verifiable deal that is safer, more endurable, 343 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 5: and it's a much preferable path to go down. At 344 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 5: the same time, even though his critics will never recognize it, 345 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 5: he's being reasonable. He's giving them off ramps every step 346 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 5: along this way so that if they miss this deadline, 347 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 5: and I suspect they might miss this deadline, Trump will 348 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 5: hit them hard. But he's tried to leave the civilian 349 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 5: energy infrastructure intact so that post conflict reconstruction is cheaper 350 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 5: and better for the people of Iran if they can 351 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 5: take their country. So he's trying to do them a solid. 352 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 5: Hopefully they recognize it, but I would make no mistake 353 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 5: about it. This deadline passes very much further, Trump's going 354 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 5: to hit them hard, and that is kind of a 355 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 5: classical form of warfare. You take the energy out to 356 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 5: end the war machine. That's how you get total surrendered. 357 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 1: We're talking to steviights as we've been talking to you 358 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: in the last I don't know ten to fifteen minutes. 359 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: The story from the Wall Street Journal. US has ordered 360 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: three thousand and eighty second Airborne soldiers to the Middle 361 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: East Trump has given Iran a Friday deadline. What do 362 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: you think it would look like if there were to 363 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: be a raid? And I say raid because I don't 364 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: think we're going to be setting up bases in Iran 365 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: that potentially could involve KRJ Island or putting troops to 366 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 1: try to protect the straight of horror moves in a 367 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,719 Speaker 1: big picture, since what might that look like? And obviously 368 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: Trump is at least threatening that he might do so 369 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: with these actions. 370 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 5: Well, I do think the carb Island option is very 371 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 5: much front and center. I really don't like the option 372 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 5: personally of the US being kind of the sole provider 373 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 5: of security in this really should be something that is 374 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 5: a shared responsibility, especially among those golf allies who have 375 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 5: been hit by a on and now say they're going 376 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 5: to hit back and they need to provide security for 377 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 5: their flows to go to market. So I really hope 378 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 5: the President is working behind the scenes to get them 379 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 5: involved so that they're skinning the game in every sense, 380 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 5: And it's not just American targets for Iranian forces to hit. 381 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 5: We would have to just knock the crap out of 382 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 5: their coastline to have a safe buffer buffer for ships, 383 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 5: and we would probably have to occupy carg Island to 384 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 5: control that. 385 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: Do we have a sense, we're speaking of Stephen Yates, 386 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: senior fell at the Heritage Foundation, national security expert, Steve, 387 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: do we have a sense of what the acceptable endgame 388 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: is here? Again? Trump has indicated numerous times of an 389 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 2: endgame or what maybe it looks like depending on the day. 390 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 2: But I think there's variations on a theme here. Where 391 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 2: do you think what do you think would be acceptable 392 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 2: for this to get to at least a ceasefire and 393 00:19:58,960 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 2: some next phase? 394 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 5: Right well, Buck, I think of it as getting to 395 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,959 Speaker 5: a de escalation point that sort of pivots into longer 396 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 5: term maintenance. And I think President Trump has been clear 397 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 5: about some of the standards. One has been hyper focused 398 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 5: on the nuclear programs that's combined US and Israeli operations 399 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 5: that might involve having to have some forces, hopefully not ours, 400 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 5: but some forces going in to physically control and verify 401 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 5: disarmament in those sensitive facilities, the launch capabilities, complete defanging 402 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 5: of the security forces. I think that's also been more 403 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 5: the Israeli mission in recent days. So I think it's 404 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 5: overwhelmingly getting the flow of resources, not just because we 405 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 5: love oil, although that's a good thing to love to 406 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 5: keep the world running, it's to make it so that 407 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 5: markets calm, resources flow, and there's a sense of where 408 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 5: we can get post major military operations. I think that 409 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 5: we should and must get there in the next week 410 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 5: or two, and that's where we'll get a sense of 411 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 5: is this tipping into a more complex entanglement or if 412 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 5: it really hit all those targets that the Secretary of 413 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,719 Speaker 5: War and the President have said we have. 414 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: Trump has been talking about doing this since the nineteen eighties. 415 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: There have been people out there who have said, oh, 416 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: he only did this because of Israel. Buck and I 417 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: have talked about this. I'm curious how you would analyze 418 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: the likelihood of this. I can see a world where 419 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: the United States says, hey, we've done everything we want 420 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: to do and pulls back and Israel continues to hit Iran. 421 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: What do you think the likelihood of that is that 422 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: this union of attack eventually turns into a solitary attack 423 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: from Israel. 424 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 5: Well, I one hundred percent agree that it's going to change. 425 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 5: I don't want it to be solitary in the sense 426 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 5: that I really seriously hope that our regional partners play 427 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 5: more of a role in constructively shaping the security and 428 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 5: economic environment there after major military operations wind down. I 429 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 5: believe completely. The President has his set of clear objectives. 430 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 5: He wants to make sure there's a return on the investment. 431 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 5: But he's definitely, I think, going to be looking in 432 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 5: the shorter term horizon, whereas Israel and maybe some other 433 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 5: partners really need to do the constant gardening. In the 434 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 5: longer term. We can hit every once in a while 435 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 5: when necessary. I think that's appropriate for the United States 436 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 5: as a superpower, but we can't be the one that's 437 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 5: micromanaging this even in the months, much less years range. 438 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 2: Going after this, what does a realistic future of the 439 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 2: Iranian state look like? That would be clear evidence that 440 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 2: the Trump plan here has worked. I mean, essentially, Steve, 441 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 2: what is yeah for victory for US is obviously straight 442 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 2: or forward, moves is open, oil is flowing. We have 443 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 2: some kind of, as you said, a de escalation agreement. 444 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 2: Got to figure out what the Israelis are going to 445 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 2: do in this as well. I figure there's going to 446 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 2: be some high level, the highest level talks between Trump 447 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 2: and net and Yahoo on this. But is or a 448 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 2: world in which we decide we can live with the 449 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 2: Mullas still kind of in charge, but they're just really 450 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 2: wimpy and frightened. Mulla's or is it some kind of 451 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: a pathway to a representative democracy, maybe overseen by some 452 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 2: Arab league transition process. I mean, I'm basically asking you 453 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 2: to fix the Middle East here, but we had a 454 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: lady call in and fix the DHS problem with TSA. 455 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 2: So you know you've been doing this for like thirty 456 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 2: forty years, Steve. You tell me how does the next 457 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 2: phase of Iran look if this all goes according to plan? 458 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 5: Well, Buck, the first sign I'm looking for is an 459 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 5: actual human being with a name. That is the person 460 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 5: or a group that President Trump has been negotiating with 461 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 5: directly or indirectly. I think for their own life sake, 462 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 5: they have kept this person anonymous. A lot of speculation, 463 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 5: but really, if there's going to be a soft transition, 464 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 5: it's going to have to be into the hands of 465 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 5: some entity that's recognizable so that we and others in 466 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 5: the international community can make deals that ensure the piece 467 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 5: and get through this transition. So first we're going to 468 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 5: have to see who's the they. When President Trump says 469 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 5: they have made a commitment to denuclearize. That would be 470 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 5: a major win if that's true, and I believe that 471 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 5: President is hearing that. But complete, verifiable, irreversible dismantlement of 472 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 5: that program is a thirty plus year long objective. If 473 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 5: President Trump did that in a month or two, that's 474 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 5: borderline miraculous. And so getting that person identified, that group identified, 475 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 5: and then international peacekeepers are verifiers. That's where we can 476 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 5: go back to the Allies and say, you guys have 477 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 5: got to come up with a coalition that does this. 478 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 5: You're run into problems. We might be your nine to 479 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 5: one one, but what we're not your daily daddy. 480 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 2: Last question CVI eights. 481 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: There are reports that Saudi Arabia is encouraging Trump to 482 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: keep pouring on the steel so to speak. On Iran 483 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: uae Qatar based on reports kicking Iranian diplomats out of 484 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: their country is the most underdiscussed part of this entire attack. 485 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: How much support there is for it from so called 486 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: other Arab Muslim countries. 487 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 5: Clay that's ultimately been the biggest rebuttal to this idea 488 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 5: that it was somehow Israel that on its own dragged 489 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 5: us into this. For years, I have heard from Arab 490 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 5: allies deep deep concerns, and it was frankly welcomed by 491 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 5: then when Trump one point oh brought in the maximum pressure, 492 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 5: a campaign to get away from the Obama Iran nuclear deal. 493 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 5: They were the key drivers that made the Abraham Accords 494 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 5: a reality. It was, yes, the US and Israel involved 495 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 5: and very much so, but it was Arab allies that 496 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 5: pushed very very hard in this. And this really ultimately 497 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 5: gets back to trump craft one point oh. He's resetting 498 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 5: all of these trouble zones with different cards and different coalitions, 499 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,479 Speaker 5: and I think those Arab allies are sick of what 500 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 5: Iran has done to them during this conflict and really 501 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 5: over the last decades. 502 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: Steve outstanding stuff as always, keep us updated. I know 503 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: the audience is going to appreciate all this deep dive 504 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: and we will talk to you again soon. 505 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 2: Thanks so much. 506 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: The Team forty seven podcast is brought to you by 507 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: Cozy Earth. 508 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 2: Comfort, style and quality. You can count on Cozy Earth. 509 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 3: You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck. 510 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,479 Speaker 1: What we bring in now Senator Marshall Blackburn of the 511 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: Great State of Tennessee, And I know yesterday Senator Blackburn 512 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: You were with President Trump as he toured Memphis, including 513 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: Graceland and talked about the massive decline that we have 514 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: seen an overall violent crime since there was a surge 515 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: of federal support. 516 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 2: You represent the state. You were just there. 517 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 1: What should people know nationwide about what's happening in Memphis. 518 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 6: Memphis is the models Clay. If you want to get 519 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 6: crime down in your city, look at what Memphis has 520 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 6: done and the partnership that is there with local, state 521 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 6: and federal elected officials and local state and federal agencies 522 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 6: all working together, and it takes it all as a team. 523 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 6: And when Cash Hotel and Pam Bonding were coming through 524 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 6: their confirmations for FBI and Attorney General, I asked each 525 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 6: of them and then got a public commitment from them 526 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 6: to help us. They jumped in. They worked with their agencies. 527 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 6: Federal agencies worked with the local police, They worked with 528 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 6: the Tennessee Highway Patrol and National Guard and Tennessee Bureau 529 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 6: of Investigations, our US Attorney, our US Marshall, and thirty 530 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 6: federal agencies on the ground working helping. And because of that, 531 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 6: in under six months, we have cut the crime rate 532 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 6: in Memphis by half and Memphis is on its way 533 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 6: from being the most dangerous city per capita in the 534 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 6: country to being one of the safest cities. That shows 535 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 6: you when the people with a Democrat mayor, Democrat elected, 536 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 6: Democrat police chief stand up and say we are going 537 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 6: to work with these resources, with these agencies, with all 538 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 6: of these elected officials, we are going to do this 539 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 6: for the good of the people, then this is the 540 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 6: type result that you get. 541 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,719 Speaker 2: Hey, Senator Blackburn's buck, this is such a remarkable story. 542 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 2: We've seen similar numbers in DC, and I know, as 543 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 2: the crime stats are compiled from cities where there's been 544 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 2: this federal intervention to bring crime down, we're going to 545 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 2: keep seeing this. But I think you laid into a 546 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: critical point there, which is that these are this is 547 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 2: a Democrat controlled city, still they were willing to work 548 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 2: with the federal government to bring the crime rate down. 549 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 2: Is there any hope in your mind that we might 550 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 2: see this then in some other Democrat controlled cities, Because 551 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 2: if you're the mayor, you know, maybe you have aspirations 552 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 2: to be a governor or a senator perhaps in a state. 553 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 2: But there are a few things that I would believe 554 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 2: could be a bigger benefit to any mayor then be 555 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 2: able to look at his constituents when he wants or 556 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 2: she wants to run for reelection and say, yeah, we 557 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 2: brought the violent crime rate down fifty percent, and that. 558 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 6: Is something that is so vitally important. You know, the 559 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 6: people that came to the round table we did in 560 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 6: Memphis yesterday had remarkable stories and the people that were 561 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 6: in the room, Buck, you would have loved listening to 562 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 6: these people. They weren't partisan. They were citizens of the 563 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 6: city of Memphis who have dealt with this crime issue. 564 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 6: And for them to be able to talk about on 565 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 6: their port a small and drinking a glass of tea 566 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 6: and not worrying about a bullet coming through the house. 567 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 6: For them to talk about being a small business owner 568 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 6: and not having landscaping equipment or delivery equipment stolen, or 569 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 6: employees not being robbed when they were leaving work, and 570 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 6: hear about children back to class. They're not skipping school, 571 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 6: they are going back to school. They're not being recruited 572 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 6: by games. Because many of these gangs have been run 573 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 6: out of the city of Memphis. Memphis has seen more 574 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 6: than nine thousand arrest nine thousand in the last five months. 575 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 6: These are violent criminal arrest and you have crimed down 576 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 6: significantly in every category. Motor vehicle thefts are down sixty 577 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 6: five percent in Memphis. And when you focus on the 578 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 6: issue and say we're going to surge, and then once 579 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 6: we surge, we're going to look at those results and 580 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 6: we're going to figure out how to sustain that good work. 581 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 6: And we're going to do it all in partnership for 582 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 6: the safety of the people of our city. 583 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,239 Speaker 1: We're talking to Senator Marsha Blackburn right now as we 584 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: are speaking to you, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, one of 585 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: your former I guess I could say now Senate colleagues, 586 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: has been sworn in as the head of DHS. I 587 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: believe yesterday he was confirmed by a vote of fifty 588 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: five fifty four to forty five, including your support. What 589 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,479 Speaker 1: can you tell us about Mark Wayne Mullen. What do 590 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: you think he will be like as DHS head. 591 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 6: He is a very good friend of mine. Mark Wayne 592 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 6: is someone who who is going to work diligently. He 593 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 6: understands how you run a business, how you lead people, 594 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 6: and you know that is the most important thing in 595 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 6: an organization is knowing how to lead people and how 596 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 6: to manage assets. And Mark Wayne gets that. He gets 597 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 6: the difference in that he is given to protecting our 598 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,719 Speaker 6: great nation. He knows and supports President Trump in his 599 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 6: America First agenda, and it was exciting to be on 600 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 6: the floor with him last night, to have his family 601 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 6: here and to see their excitement as he was named 602 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 6: to our nation's Secretary of Homeland Security. 603 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 2: Speaking of Senator Marsha Blackburn right now, and you know, 604 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 2: we are seeing these breaking reports from just today, Senator 605 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 2: about some of these airports that have been so snarled 606 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 2: because of Democrats really manufacturing a travel crisis. That's what 607 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 2: has been going on. But now this ice deployment into 608 00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 2: these airports has substantially, if not completely, elite deviated that 609 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 2: tsa congestion. This is pretty remarkable. I have to ask you, Setter, 610 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 2: do you know that there is some belief that this 611 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 2: originated with a call in to the show on Friday 612 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 2: and Clay immediately then took it to Fox and then 613 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 2: the President ran with this. It looks like this strategy 614 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 2: is working. 615 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 6: It is indeed working, and putting ice over at the 616 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 6: airport's demand, the exits as people walk out of the 617 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 6: secured areas and to prohibit people from running through the 618 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,479 Speaker 6: entrance into that exit or through that exit into the 619 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 6: secured area, to check id's identifications, to assist PSA employees 620 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 6: who are overworked right now, and we continue to work 621 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 6: to try to find a way to get DHS fully funded. 622 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 6: We have a group that has been working with the 623 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 6: White House. It is a part of our Appropriations Committee, 624 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 6: those members and they are trying to find a way forward. 625 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 6: And then we're also discussing doing a public safety reconciliation 626 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,879 Speaker 6: where we will look at bolstering the funds that are 627 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 6: necessary to continue the public safety efforts for our nation. 628 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: We're talking to Senator Marsha Blackburn. You spent a lot 629 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: of time in Washington, DC. The overall violent crime rate 630 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: has collapsed in Washington, d C. You were just in Memphis. 631 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: You just shared the data with us about how much 632 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: the crime rate has collapsed in Memphis. Isn't it now 633 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,879 Speaker 1: the case that using both these cities as sort of experiments, 634 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: for lack of a better way to describe it, that 635 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: there are tons of cities out there that if we 636 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: did the exact same thing, we could save a massive 637 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: amount of lives. Shouldn't we just start to apply these 638 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: lessons nationwide. 639 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 6: Oh yes, And when you look at the difference in 640 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 6: Memphis and Minneapolis, think about that one where in Memphis 641 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 6: they embraced the help and welcomed the help and then 642 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 6: they moved forward with making the city secure. And as 643 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,439 Speaker 6: I said, now nine thousand arrests later, and I will 644 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 6: also add, in addition to the hundreds of vehicles that 645 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 6: have been recovered, the hundreds of weapons that have been 646 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 6: taken off the street, they have found over one hundred 647 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 6: and fifty missing children that were being held by people 648 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 6: and they have been returned home. And as I said, 649 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 6: you've got hundreds of children that have gone back to school. 650 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 6: They're not joining the gangs. And other cities should be 651 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 6: looking at this. And you know, you look at somewhere 652 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,959 Speaker 6: like Chicago or La or San Francisco that has such 653 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 6: horrific issues. You look at cities that are sanctuary cities 654 00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 6: for illegal immigration, and you say, why are they harboring 655 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 6: these criminal illegal aliens? And then you look at Memphis 656 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 6: where citizens are walking up to you. You know, people 657 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 6: call our office every single day and they say, thank 658 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 6: you so much for focusing on Memphis, for bringing peace 659 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 6: to our city, for helping to get the crime down. 660 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:23,959 Speaker 2: No doubt so much. 661 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Senator, by the way, congrats on polling. I don't 662 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: know if you comment on polling very much, but I 663 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: saw that you have a fifty point lead in the 664 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 1: upcoming governor's race, which will frankly largely be decided in 665 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: August when the Republican primary happens. So congrats on how 666 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: well that campaign is going well. 667 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,760 Speaker 6: Thank you. We are working hard and working to earn 668 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 6: every vote and grateful for those good polls that are 669 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 6: coming our way.