WEBVTT - From Behind Bars to Passing the Bar 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:08.440 What's your family is your girl Tamika d Mallory and 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:11.360 it's your boy my son in general, and we are 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:15.920 your host of Street Politicians, the place where and politics me. 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.520 Happy New Year, Happy New Year, Happy New Year. People, 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:26.120 all the street politicians, fans, supporters, viewers, listeners, people who 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.159 give us all types of feedback. Uh. I got a 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:32.720 call from my son Ark a few days ago where 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.919 he said he spent time over the holiday when he 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:42.280 wasn't doing much just listening to Street Politicians podcast old 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:47.680 episodes and he was giving me feedback on how the 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:51.120 episodes are edited in ways that you know, we need 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:55.400 to bring uh some more flavor to the show and 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:57.000 all of that. And I was like, that's kind of 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:00.920 energy we need. We like that, we like feedback about 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:03.720 what we can do. Well. What he was really talking 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:08.199 about is the younger audience, right, and like making sure 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:14.399 that we integrate younger voices around issues into our content. 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.320 And I think that's true. I think right now when 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:20.080 we look at the guests that we have had over 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:24.920 the last you know, three years now, specifically on the 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:28.440 Black Effect Podcast network, but in general, they more so 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.800 are around our own age group, right. These are people 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:33.800 sometimes a little old, and every now and then a 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:37.120 little younger. But really it's people who are probably thirty 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:40.880 five to fifty in that group that are out here 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:43.840 really doing incredible work. Who really are are folks that 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.959 are now, uh, they're not at the beginning of their careers, 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.240 but they're not at the end. They're really in that 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:52.920 good part like that's that that's the part where the 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:56.880 meat is nice and tender, um, and they're really getting 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:01.400 to become experts that they have cracked um. And so 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:03.840 I think, you know, we've done a lot to showcase that, 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:06.840 but there are a lot of younger people who are 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.320 you know, even below thirty that are really advocating for 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.399 justice on issues. You've got lawyers out there, You've got 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:18.200 the first young black mayor um of one of the 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:21.200 cities in this country. I mean, it's just so many 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:25.320 different younger people, younger voices and younger perspectives, and so 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.080 you know, that is something that and and by the way, 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:33.560 I think that goes on alongside the elder the community, 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.160 right and because they're you know, one of the topics 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.519 we're gonna talk about today in terms of the Doctor 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:44.160 King uh Dr King's birthday, UM and we're gonna you know, 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:47.640 get into uh something that a lot of people don't 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:52.040 know around that. I learned about it from our elders, 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.919 right from people who are over the age of seventies 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:58.080 seventy five, and they have so much to offer as well. 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:02.480 So as this new year begins, what I'm excited about 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:06.000 the Street Politicians is the possibility of where we can 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:09.560 go knowing all that we know, having a team now 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:13.720 that has really over the last year, been able to uh, 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.600 you know, perfect what it looks like to have a 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:20.280 strong podcast that has great content. And now I think 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.640 we get to uh spice it up and add into 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:26.119 the make some of the things that we want to do, 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.320 uh that will hopefully be appealing to people like to Reak, 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.040 who's like, listen, I got all that stuff, and that 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.960 stuff is good and don't stop. But let's add these 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:41.760 elements as well to increase the younger viewership of the podcast. Yeah, 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:45.520 I think that's definitely what we need. You know. Once again, 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.360 Happy New Year to all of our fans. Is our 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.240 first episode back, and we love you and I hope 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.400 that you didn't make New Year's resolutions. I just want 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:57.480 you to make change, you know, evolved the minster, you know. 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:00.360 For the first beginning of the new year, for the 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.480 first five days, I went on the fast, you know, 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:07.120 to cleanse and just get to resenter myself. And I 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:09.120 try to do that, and I've been I want to 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:13.240 be intentional about writing down my thoughts and writing down 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.680 my plan so I can see them constantly. So I 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.359 got a little thing on my refrigerator now that I 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:21.920 write other things, and I write about to do list, 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.279 and I check it off as I go along because 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:26.719 I see it and it makes it reminds me that 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.600 I haven't accomplished certain things. So I hope you're doing 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:31.919 something like that that is putting you in the mind 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:35.360 frame about growing. You know, it's every year, every year, 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.479 New Year. It's it's just a time to refocus. I 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.880 don't think you know, the New Year it knew me. 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:45.960 Everybody says that. But this getting this refocus and getting 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:50.679 the time too focus on your mind, focus on your health, 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:54.400 you know, focus on your goals and and really set 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:56.760 to accomplish. For me, they say, this is the Jordan 0:04:56.839 --> 0:05:01.120 year twenty three, and Jordan was about execution. Jordan's executed. 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.480 He scored buckets, he put buckets on the board at 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.720 a high level. So I think this is the year 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.400 of execution for me. This is no longer just the 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:14.000 planning stages and you know, the ideas and the thought process. 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:18.400 It's about really executing, fully executing, you know. So I 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.560 hope that's what it is for you. I hope that you, you, 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:25.520 you really have met, are trying to manifest your ideas 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.760 and manifest your dreams and manifest your goals and and 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.880 really carry them out from A to Z, because that's 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:35.480 where I am. Yeah. I think that's so so important. 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.919 And I hate to be the uh Debbie downer, but 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:43.080 when you talk about the Jordan year being uh twenty three, 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:45.800 one of the things that I also learned during my 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:52.080 vacation and holiday time was what twenty three means, um, 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:56.359 you know, to the human trafficking community, right, and that 0:05:56.560 --> 0:06:00.320 is an actual community. It is very scary, um. I 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:04.600 learned through the story of this young woman, Marissa, who 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:08.159 went missing. I was able to like be educated in 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:12.240 a few days, a few hours, excuse me, five hours, 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:15.360 but really the first few minutes of trying to help 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:20.359 get this woman away from individuals who appeared to be 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:25.200 trafficking her, uh, and so much happened that has confirmed 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.880 in so many ways that the situation she um was 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:32.760 in was dangerous. Uh in the situation that she continues 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.480 to be in from the Stockholm syndrome UM, you know, 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:40.359 is very very dangerous. And they also look at the 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:44.760 Jordan's year as a time to traffic more individuals to 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:49.719 make more money leading into major events like Super Bowl, 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:53.120 All Star Weekend and all the major events that we 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:57.760 see happening. There are people who have an underground UM, 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:02.599 underground economy going on, and the currency is the bodies 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:07.960 of women and men, women, men, children, UM of all 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:12.360 different races. But there's something special we know about black 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:17.280 bodies UM. And you know, I I really need to 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:22.360 emphasize for folks the danger of what we see going 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:26.560 on out here with this human trafficking issue. You talk 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:30.000 about sex trafficking, but human trafficking covers a lot of 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:35.280 things including oregon um stealing of the stealing of organs 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:40.160 um where people are picked up, maybe used in sexual 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.480 ways and other ways and then killed to remove lens, 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:47.560 to take hearts, body parts to be sold off to 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:52.760 people who have resources UM that need for their own 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.080 family member or for whatever black market is out there. 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.800 Or let's not call it black, let's say the underground 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:03.080 market that's out there. Um. Human trafficking has a lot involved. 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.680 But when we think about it, the first thing that 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:09.280 comes to mind is women. Right, we think women first, 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.920 and we should think about women because I'm sure women 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:16.200 are props are the highest uh victims if you will, 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:19.520 of human trafficking. But we also must make sure that 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:23.560 we know so that we can keep ourselves, our young boys, 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:27.000 um and and just all of us safe. Is that 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:30.600 men are also a part of this um and and 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:37.240 the issue of uh uh being men being mules where 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:42.720 you see people who are working to capture still um 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:48.559 you know uh uh yeah those things um uh women 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:54.000 or other people oftentimes they are also a part of uh. 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:58.480 They have also are also being traffic and they are 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.480 a mute where their sin out to go do this 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.480 work and they have to come back with people or 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.640 else their family members are threatened with violence or and 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:11.160 or death. Um. They may be in a situation where 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.839 a husband, wife or a daughter and father have both 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:18.560 been captured, and the more harm will come to the 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:21.760 child if the parents, if the father or the brother 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:24.600 does not go out and do these things and use 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:29.560 their male stature to be able to take over a 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.560 woman in her body and to um you know, bring 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:36.320 her into this human trafficking culture. These are things we 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:39.319 need to know and we need to understand. Shout out 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:43.040 to our sister Tony rivera UM that has been on 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.560 this show and people see her national This is a 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:50.280 woman who was a victim of trafficking who also helped 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:54.559 to traffic other women UM and now is a part 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:59.080 of the h of trying to help rescue and free 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:05.440 UM people fall from the other you know, the just scary, 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:10.920 horrific lifestyle of trafficking UM. And she educated me that 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.960 there's so much we don't know about this. And I 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:16.760 was having a conversation with someone that's really close to 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.640 us that I would not expose today. And it took 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:22.280 me about twenty to thirty minutes to get this person 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:25.320 to stop saying, but how could you want to go back, 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.880 like after you have already been you know, you see 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.040 your family members, you should just run. But actually the 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:37.040 mental abuse and the level of skill that these individuals 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:40.480 have to be able to get into the minds of 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:44.679 these young women, especially also when they tell you that 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.599 they're going to kill your family and they show you pictures, 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:51.320 and they show you addresses of your grandmama's house, right, 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.640 and they show themselves standing next to your father in 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:58.199 the grocery store, and your dad doesn't even know that 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:01.960 that person who that uson is right. Uh, he doesn't 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.600 even know he's standing next to the person who is 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:07.520 threatening to kill him. Right. When they show you that 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:10.480 type of stuff, a lot of folks feel like they 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:14.800 feel afraid, and they begin to believe that there that 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:18.480 that their decisions could disrupt the lives of the people 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:22.360 around them and could could really be harming other people. 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:26.040 And so it's a real dangerous place. There's been a 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:29.600 lot of incidents where people have been talking Tsha Campbell, 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.080 folks just trying to destroy Tisha Campbell but coming out 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:36.560 and explaining the incident that happened where she felt like 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.120 some men pulled up to a hotel and we're trying 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:42.280 to get her on the van uh the radio host Egypt. 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:46.080 She also was talking about an incident that happened at 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.240 a gas station. And for some reason, we are quick 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.760 not to believe people who have never been like I 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.120 don't know Tisha Campbell to be some liar that just 0:11:54.240 --> 0:12:01.040 make some stories about an incident. Why people live about 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:05.360 she just detrimental to them, Like it's just I just 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.679 don't know. I mean, what history does. Why does teacher 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:13.120 Campbell does not need press? Like she just doesn't you know, 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:16.480 but you know it's just a lot, but you know, hey, whatever, anyway, 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.400 I I believe her. I believe Egypt. I believe that 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.320 these things have happened Um. And and more than that, 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.160 I saw it with my own eyes going down just 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.520 days ago, and the way in which this whole thing unfolded, 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:30.000 it told me that I even have to be a 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.920 lot more careful about my surrounding to my safety. So 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.360 I just wanted to drop that on you. You talked 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:39.160 about health and people taking care of themselves, and I 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:43.120 saw that equalox Um had signs up that said we 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:46.719 don't speak January. So they did not take any new 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:49.560 members during January because they said, this is not the 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:52.439 time to run to the gym. You you're you are 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:55.080 spending money you may not be able to maintain. They 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.880 gotta start contracts, great, great contracts. Come back. You know, 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.439 sue you for not go not sue you, but whatever 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.840 they do to get their money. When you don't, you 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:07.200 cut off the card and stop paying your membership. Then 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.640 you know you've got gyms packed where people who are 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.520 really in their process, they in their bag, they're really 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:15.880 working out, they can't even get on machines because the 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.400 gym is full of folks that's walking around, just getting 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.600 on stuff, playing around that are not really committed. And 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:25.000 so they said January, they don't speak that language. You 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:28.000 need to start at the time that's after the euphoria 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.760 of a new year, when you really, really truly are 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.679 committed to the process of health and and you know, 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.760 in your wellness. So I don't know if I agree. 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.720 You know, some ways, I think some people are like 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.280 if you don't catch them when they are feeling it, 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.960 they may never get back into it. Uh. But then 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:48.760 I also understand that, you know, you want to make 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:52.360 sure that that I think it's actually it might some 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:55.000 what might look at it as being responsible for a 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.800 business to say, hey, let's take a step back from 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:01.680 a new year's resolution and really think about what a 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:07.440 new mind needs. So did that? Well, listen, I agree, man, 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:09.800 because people don't want to waste their time, and they 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.439 probably you know, I know, they probably get a lot 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.320 of new emissions and they get some money, but just 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:18.400 the process of like you said, of them having after 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:20.880 you try to break the contract and you change the card, 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.560 the money they lose probably doesn't even make up for, 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:27.440 you know, the inconvenience you overcrowding the gym for weeks. 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.840 The people that normally come there are not comfortable, like 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.240 you know, they want they want to create. When you 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:35.760 go to a gym, it's like it's a sanctuary, right, 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.480 It's it's a it's your mine, so you want you 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.800 want your gym to be it's like a home. It's 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:43.080 like a second home. Actually, it's a place that you go. 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:47.560 You you you there's a level of comfortability, normalcy. You 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.760 see the same people, or you see a couple of 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.600 new people here and there, and they integrate them into 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:56.960 the process, into you know, the gym world and the 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.200 gym family. But when it's overloaded and people just come 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.600 in for a couple of weeks, it takes away that 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.800 passion that those who really really want to do have. 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.920 So I'm I'm all for being a gym rack being 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.400 someone who goes to the gym. I understand, you know, 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:16.880 how a gym needs to create this level of people 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.880 who are passionate about it, because that's that's that's what 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:21.800 the world is. So shout out to equal knots and 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:26.480 that we don't speak January. I appreciate it. Yeah, that's funny. 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:30.920 That so funny. Oh she what was the next thing? Okay, Well, 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:38.480 obviously the House of Representatives and UM the government, the 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:42.080 federal government, they don't speak January either. They speak late 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:45.880 January because they were supposed to elect a speaker at 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:48.200 the very very top of the month and it didn't 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.240 happen for several days. I mean, I kind of feel 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.400 like I think it was January six. I think it 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:55.960 was January six late nights, either the fifth late night 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.360 or late night on the sixth that they were they 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:03.440 were able to elect Um McCarthy as the Speaker of 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.960 the House. And I tell you it's it's interesting because 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.320 January six is like we just I don't know, Like 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:13.200 I'm still trying to figure out at what point something 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:17.040 is gonna happen other than some random people who are there. 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:20.960 It's like it's like the random people, Yes, they need 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:24.840 to be arrested or or or held accountable. Let's use 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:30.320 the words held accountable. So t T and boobo them 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:34.320 who's selling drugs on the street corners. Yes, they have 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.120 to be held accountable. They are the ones that are 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:42.080 terrorizing communities. They shooting at night, they are uh, you know, 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:45.920 making grandmothers feel unsafe and all of that. But the 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.920 goal should always be to find out who got T 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.840 T Boo boo and them on the street like that 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.560 should be the goal, the the the guests. They should 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.520 be worked into that. And what we always say is 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.360 we want to find ways to make sure that the 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:04.160 resources T T and Google needs so they don't even 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:06.760 ever have to go in the direction of being on 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.840 the treets. Right that that we we figured that out, 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:13.119 And that's a whole separate side of the conversation. But 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:17.520 where there is a comparison, right, is that because unfortunately, 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:20.800 the people who committed an insurrection on January six, And 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.240 the reason why I say this is that that comparison 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:27.199 is it doesn't exist um in in this sense that 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:31.200 they want things for our society that would pretty much 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:35.160 oppress others and would take us back further than we're 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:40.160 already sliding to a time where the power was literally 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:43.119 only in the hands of the rich, the successful, and 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:46.000 the white right. That is what they want. That's what 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:48.679 they're calling for, that's what they're fighting for. That's what 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:53.400 the insurrection is all was all about. Right, So, you 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:57.720 can't give them anything that's gonna make them happy or 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:00.200 that is going to solve this problem. You can give 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:05.080 Poop Pooky and and t T and boob nowm gow 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.520 to get them off the streets and hopefully help them 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.720 with the life of prosperity. Right, But you can't give 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:16.200 these people anything to help them or to calm their 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:20.639 concerns because a part of them. You can give them 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:24.520 something you can't give them because you can just get 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.520 give them the country, just tell them, right, because it 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:33.879 doesn't hurt anybody to ensure that our brothers and sisters 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:38.359 have resources, but it will harm other individuals to provide 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:42.840 full rain for these crazy people to become to to 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:47.080 lead our free work. Right that that that's problematic. So 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.720 when I think about the context of all of that, 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.800 what we know is that the comparison does come together 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:57.800 when you start thinking about who is the end that 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:02.440 the who is inciting the behavior that of the people 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.440 running up the walls. It's like the Rico charge, Why 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:12.160 why why do they gotta You know, there's Yeah, there's 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:16.840 a k fin who's the king fan? You know what? Yeah, 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:19.880 go ahead, that's what it is. We're trying to find. 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:22.080 Nobody is really trying to find the king because we 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:25.200 know who the kingpin is, and nobody really wants to 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:27.879 dive into that. And I don't understand why when we 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:31.680 we've seen who said, you know, go take back your country. 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:35.639 We've seen who incited this, right, we've seen the major 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:39.399 players who who who cause you know this real insurrection, 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:42.120 and and and the low hanging fruit is it's simple 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:44.760 to just get the dealers. But just like in America, 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:46.240 most of the time, they'll get to the is, but 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:49.040 they don't want to get the kingpins because they're benefit 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:53.320 of the kingpins. Those kingpins are selling billions of dollars 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.240 worth the drugs that are funding certain things, and that's 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:59.640 a part of their system. So they they've allowed those kingpins, 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:02.200 those key pens actually worked for the government, so they 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:06.080 don't they don't stop the government people who are making money, 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:09.680 and and they're utilizing these millions and billions of dollars 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.359 to do certain things. So they'll grab pukie off the corner. 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.320 Who was the last stop, you know, who got the 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:19.520 last little the remnants of the drugs that they couldn't 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:22.160 sell no else. You know, that there wasn't as pure 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:25.000 enough for them to sell all around this world. So 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:27.199 that's that's where we are when we look at this 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:30.600 insurrection situation. Everybody knows where it comes from. We know 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:33.720 who the kingpin is, we know who the major distributor is, 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.240 we know the person who called for it, and we 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:38.879 know that the major players are and and and until 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:42.640 we really get to that, you know, we're wasting our time. 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:45.920 You know, that's it's nothing else to be said. That's 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.320 my point is that we should be looking for the 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:51.600 big fish and that you know, the Commission did that, 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.760 and they you know, came forward to say that, Okay, 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:57.600 you know, we we pretty much have pinpointed Donald Trump's 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:00.479 roll who the Giuliani's broke, but there's still been arrests, 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:02.480 so you know, that is what it is. But I 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:05.520 just thought that, you know, it's important to note that 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:09.680 as we were in this delay of fifteen votes, uh 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:14.160 in order to get a speaker confirmed, which by the way, 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:18.080 you know, it's it's it. And also you know, of 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:21.080 course we have to make sure that we uh uh 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:27.760 and knowledge that for the first time in history, a 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:30.399 black men and I Keem Jeffreys from Brooklyn that we 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:32.919 know well and could roll up on in the streets 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:37.440 is um the leader of the Democratic Party. And that 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:41.920 is good because you know, I mean from a symbolic perspective, 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:47.400 that is extremely important because it shows some of our progress. However, 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:51.439 we do have issues, fundamental issues with Hakim about his 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:55.560 voting record and his position, especially on the issue of 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:58.960 um of of you know, us being able to fight 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:02.159 incumbents with your people who are sitting in positions across 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:05.000 the country and they've been there forever and their way 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:10.600 of thinking and approaching government is um. It's it is, 0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:14.440 it is, it is. I want to say worked, but 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:17.320 just but but it's just old, you know, it's just 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:22.080 it's just our chade. It's just you know, old mindset 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:24.639 that needs to change and we do and you know, 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:28.199 and he has issues with progressives and I got some 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:31.080 issues with some progressive but I do, you know, but 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:34.760 I am. I think we can push Hachem on a 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:37.959 lot of issues because we know him and we know 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:40.680 how to have conversations with him. And so having him 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:43.280 sit at the head of the Democratic Party is important, 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:46.320 but he will not budge, move or do anything if 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:49.360 we're not organized as a people. We have to constantly 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:52.479 remind him where he comes from, his background, his history 0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:55.639 of fighting against police brutality, of being in the street 0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:59.480 and organized and with black and brown folks for marginalized 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:02.880 community ease um, and we gotta keep on him about that. 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:06.000 At the same time, the speaker in a different role 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:09.280 is the head of you know, Nancy Philosophers the speaker, 0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:14.119 and she was, of course, um uh, you know, she 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:16.679 was the leader of the Democratic Party. But now you 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:21.480 have a majority of Republicans in Congress, and therefore you 0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:25.160 would now have McCarthy as the head, as the speaker, 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:27.800 which is a lot of power. The problem with that 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:29.960 is he had to make a lot of concessions. That's 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:32.679 what those fifteen votes were about. They vote with we 0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:38.200 with fifteen rounds to get a speaker because they wanted concessions. 0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:41.840 They wanted him to agree to a number of things. 0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:44.919 That actually is the same thing as what we talked about, 0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:48.199 trying to give those people who were running up and 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:51.040 down the sides of the wall of the Capital things 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:53.920 that they want um in order for them to feel 0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:57.679 like they're in the America that they dream of, the 0:23:57.960 --> 0:24:00.199 America they want to go back to. And so it's 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:02.920 gonna be a fight. It's a battle, and God forb 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:06.240 God blessed those people who don't know how serious and 0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:09.679 significant these moments are and what's taking place right before 0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:14.320 our eyes. Yeah, it's definitely gonna be a battle, you know. 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:18.280 And I just think, you know, I'm you know, I 0:24:18.359 --> 0:24:20.920 was a little disappointed, and then I got and then 0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:22.720 when I started learning, because a lot of times you 0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:26.000 just when you don't know, you get a little frustrated. 0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:29.919 And when I looked at overall with the Democratic Party, 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:32.040 they you know, they're starting to have a little more 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:36.240 of the back, you know. And I think that, you 0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:39.040 know what, what I've been saying a lot, that the 0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:42.440 GOP is intentional about what it is that they want 0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:44.720 and they don't care about what they have to do 0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:47.800 to get it, you know, and and and and it's 0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:53.000 not always nice. It's not always kombay. They're very rarely 0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:56.400 coom by, y'alls. And I think the Democratic Party has 0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:59.760 to take that same approach. You know, it's not about kumbay. 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:03.560 It's about making sure that the constituents and our voters 0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:06.400 and the people vote for us, are satisfied that we're 0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:10.639 doing everything possible to do what we promised them. You know. 0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:13.359 That's that's what I want to see, you know, and 0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:17.520 hopefully what's our king Jefferies. You know his speech though 0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:21.119 it was symbolic, it was mainly symbolism. I'm hoping that 0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:26.680 symbolism starts to transfer into actual process in progress and 0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:29.600 you know, and and things that we need as a 0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:32.239 people and as a culture. Yeah, you know, only one 0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:34.199 thing I wanted to drop in here. It was an 0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.520 incident in New York where there was a young girl 0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:40.200 who um the police officer. There was a fight and 0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:42.119 the police officer was trying to break it up, and 0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:45.880 and he ended up attacking and brutalizing this young girl, 0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:49.359 punching out her head, punching on her face. Kids were there, 0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:52.040 They fought, They fought to try to get her free 0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:56.200 from the grips of the officer, and it was recorded. Uh. 0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:59.760 The officer was suspended without pay, and the mayor came 0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:03.360 out quickly. Mayor Adamson said that the officer was wrong. Yes, 0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:05.399 you gotta deal with the fight, you gotta deal with 0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:07.480 the kids, you gotta deal with all of that, but 0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:09.120 at the end of the day, the office and had 0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:11.960 no right to be on the young girl the way 0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:15.000 that he did. Um and you know, I got I 0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:18.880 had people actually had you know, f you, but they 0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:21.920 were there was someone I saw And I don't know why. 0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:26.320 Instagram has this new thing where anybody that that tags 0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:28.240 you or shares the story, you can see it in 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:30.800 your stories, like that's the most annoying thing in the world. 0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:33.080 But I happen to see a lot of people tagging 0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:36.199 me to this incident. First of all, yes, I was 0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:39.120 on vacation, and unfortunately I know that for a lot 0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:43.080 of us, even for myself, we believe that you know 0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:47.719 you you. It's like the type of work we do, 0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:50.359 there's no vacation from it. You just gotta be ready 0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:52.880 to go all the time. But what I have learned 0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:56.200 from being in I've been I've been in this role 0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:59.879 for our thirty years of my life, and I also 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:05.000 have served other individuals, and I know it is unhealthy 0:27:05.119 --> 0:27:07.280 to work the way that we do. At times, you 0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:10.720 can't even process your thought for growth. You can't even 0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:13.320 figure out what is next and what you need to 0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:16.560 be fighting for in this work when you're just constantly 0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:21.000 responding to trauma all the time, and constantly engage in 0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:25.480 the massive movements, um you know, fighting for change. Those 0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:28.000 things are good, but you've got to build a bench 0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:31.000 of other individuals that are gonna be out there carrying 0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:33.679 the torch and continuing the work and even coming up 0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:35.879 with new projects and things that they're doing, where you 0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:37.960 could just support them if it's nothing more than a 0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:40.880 phone call, so that you can mentor them through their 0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:46.040 own process. You cannot kill yourself being on go all 0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:49.640 the time, and so being on vacation, it was difficult. 0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:52.960 It was difficult not to sit on the phone with Quila, 0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:56.159 which is Chamquilla robinson sister, every day. The way we 0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:59.200 have been talking right before the holidays, trying to figure 0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:01.480 out what's our rategy. Even she and I had to 0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:04.160 take a break right so that we could come back 0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:08.000 with fresh ideas. It's difficult not to be engaged in 0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:11.919 everything that we see, but it's a discipline that I 0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:14.520 know I've had to learn. I've had to learn that 0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:17.800 a comment on everything I can't do, and that sometimes 0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:21.000 I have to actually disappear in order to be renewed 0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:23.960 and restored. And so when I saw the video of 0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:27.080 the young girl getting punched. I saw it from places 0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:30.199 with individuals that I know we're gonna do work, like 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:32.520 they were gonna get it going. I know that I 0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:34.960 already know these people who sent it to me, the 0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:37.359 people who tagged me and shared it with me. I 0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:41.320 knew what they were gonna do. But to your point, 0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:44.120 after it kept coming and coming and coming, and you know, 0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:46.640 I'm not like, I'm trying to not ignore it, but 0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:49.600 trying to be like, let's just you can't. There's gonna 0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:54.520 be a police violence incident before, after, during, There's going 0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:58.960 to be reasons, family problems, everything's gonna still be there 0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:02.440 when you return from these two weeks of time that 0:29:02.520 --> 0:29:05.560 you're taken off right, and there's so many people out 0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:07.720 there to do great work that you can jump in 0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.400 and support them as soon as you get back. And 0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:12.920 but I kept seeing it. I kept seeing it, so 0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:17.720 I decided, let me just inquire about what's going on, 0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:21.160 so I could make sure if until Freedom could be engaged, 0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:23.440 that there are other people on our team like you 0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:25.880 and Linda, who are ready to go at all times. 0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:29.160 And then as soon as I've checked into it, the 0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:32.600 officer had already been suspended without paying. What I want 0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:35.320 to say is to your point about how keen speech 0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:40.800 was very his ABC speech where he talked about what 0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:43.280 the Democratic Party can be, which I don't agree with 0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:46.240 all of it, because there's racism that exists right there 0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:49.840 within the party, and there is sexism and a lot 0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:53.760 of other issues right within the party. That has to 0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.640 be if you really are going to with a speech 0:29:56.680 --> 0:29:59.120 like that, it needs to match the reality of what 0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:04.240 it's taken place. And I sat with that right and 0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:07.040 I and I was I was thinking about this incident 0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:11.400 with the officer. Our goal should be, to your point, 0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:16.120 to see realization of what we've been fighting for. Our 0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:19.160 goal should not be that we have to have the 0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:23.560 same exact response every time to these issues. We have 0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:27.440 to fight so much, so hard, so like to the 0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:31.520 to the detriment of our bodies and minds and our spirits. 0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:35.120 We should be able to see that come to realization. 0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:38.440 And when an officer attacks a young girl and then 0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:42.000 it's suspended without pay, yes there's more work to do 0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:45.200 because you've got to ensure that the process continues all 0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:46.760 the way to the end to where he loses his 0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:51.440 job and potentially even is charged with assault for the 0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:54.640 abuse of a young child. So there's more work to 0:30:54.680 --> 0:30:58.000 be done, but the first step it took hell. And 0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:00.920 it's not just until freedom to meet a mate. We're 0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:04.760 talking about years years lineage, if you will, in this 0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:07.080 movement of passing of the bat, time you got the 0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:09.800 you have the movement that has existed in New York 0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:13.840 to change police and policing culture for so long. I 0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:17.240 think about Hazel Dukes. This is a woman who's nineties 0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:20.440 something years, ninety years old who's been out there fighting 0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:23.960 to get an officer suspended without pay. Is it a lot, No, 0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:26.760 but it is different and that is what we need 0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:30.000 to be working to us is how we work. We 0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:33.959 work hard, but then we see results. And so I 0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:36.440 just wanted to say that because when people are like 0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:38.160 I saw what I was saying about f you is 0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:41.200 Somebody was like, oh, well, you know you ain't saying nothing. 0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:43.520 You know, you you want to Internet post and cute 0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:46.320 pictures to yourself, but you're not saying anything about this 0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:50.560 girl being abused. And I'm like, yo, yeah, we were 0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:54.240 so traumatized that we live in a space of attacking 0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:56.520 other people even when they've done the work to make 0:31:56.520 --> 0:32:05.400 a change. Let me just get to this other topic 0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:08.080 because I want to make sure that we do not 0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:12.680 miss uh, this moment of education. I brought it up 0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:16.880 earlier talking about Dr King's birthday, and it is obviously 0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:20.640 coming up now. Um. You know, in just a few days, 0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:25.360 we will be remembering Dr King during his birthday, remembering 0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:30.440 his contributions to society. Um. And I didn't know. I 0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:32.840 don't know where my head was under a rock. I 0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:35.320 must not have been listening. But I did not know 0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:40.280 that Stevie Wonders Happy Birthday song, which the black version 0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:44.200 of Happy Birthday that we sing at every birthday function. 0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:47.360 You do the first Happy Birthday and then you come 0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:52.040 with Happy Birthday too, like that's our thing, right. I 0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:55.920 did not know that that song was dedicated to Dr 0:32:56.000 --> 0:33:00.720 King for his birthday. But it wasn't just about his birthday. 0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:04.760 This is the part that is powerful, the birthday piece, Yes, 0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:09.280 but it was actually after Dr King was dead. Right. 0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:13.400 So Dr King was killed in nineteen sixty eight, and 0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:18.240 there was uh, John Congressman John Conyears, God rest his soul. 0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:22.280 He introduced a bill to make Dr King's birthday a 0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:25.520 national holiday. We all know that it took fifteen years 0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:29.000 to get it done, and throughout the process you had 0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:33.240 different elected officials that were fighting and activists and black 0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:37.440 folks are advocating to make sure that this became a holiday. 0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:40.960 But of course you had resistance from the other side. Actually, 0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:45.240 a Republican Senator, Ed Brooke was the one to introduce 0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:48.800 it the last time. We're actually passed in the Senate, 0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:52.440 so you know it was. It was definitely a bipartisan effort, 0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:57.120 but there certainly were more people Republicans and conservatives and 0:33:57.600 --> 0:34:01.440 racists and otherwise who were pushed him back and resisting 0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:06.040 having Dr King's birthday become a holiday. This is a testament, 0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:08.960 this part that I'm about to say to how important 0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:13.360 our movements are and how important it is to have 0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:17.440 everyone play a role. One of these days in life, 0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:20.760 people will look back at my son and say, wow, 0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:24.080 you created this song or this spoken word at this 0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:28.000 time that helped us to articulate our needs and or 0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:33.120 to bring attenion to Sandra Bland, who's in uh. I 0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:34.880 don't have the right to do nothing. And you have 0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:38.719 so many different pieces that that represent different parts of 0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:42.680 our experience since we have been actively leading in this movement. 0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:48.520 The reason why BB Wonder created this song was because 0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:53.440 he was basically using it as a clarion call to 0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:57.239 get the date pass, to get the legislation pass to 0:34:57.360 --> 0:35:01.080 make Dr King's birthday a holiday. So he created this 0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:05.040 song as part of a movement, as part of a protest, 0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:09.719 if you will, um to to galvanize people to respect 0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:12.719 Dr King, to honor Dr Kings, and to support what 0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:17.240 Congressman Kanyer's was trying to do. And so everyone played 0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:20.279 a role. He may not have been speedy wonder out 0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:23.480 there pumping his fists and go into Congress, but that 0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:27.320 song gave us another rally and cry, gave us something 0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:32.640 else to join in and and and to help to exactly. 0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:36.480 And so you know, when we celebrate Dr King's birthday, 0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:38.680 we need to know this didn't just happen and what 0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:42.000 like some people just got together nice It's fifteen years, 0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:47.719 a fight, a song, and a community of determining individuals 0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:51.919 and some bipartisan support is what it took to get 0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:56.120 Dr King's birthday solidified so that we will always remember 0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:59.439 a giant like him. So, you know, happy birthday, Dr King. 0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:03.520 All the love and respect, and we know that there 0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:06.600 is a model that exists that we right now have 0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:10.440 the ability to continue, which is that every single one 0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:12.880 of us, no matter your talent, no matter where you 0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:14.600 want to be in this movement, you have a pro 0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:17.440 to play. And as a result of that, look at 0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:19.560 where we stand today. That's my thought of the day 0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:23.800 is look at where we are today because some people 0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:27.400 sacrifice and took all of our resources and put it 0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:29.839 in a pile of suit. Imagine where we could go 0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:34.399 if we continue to do that work. Look at that work, man, 0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:38.200 put that work in. Man. Shout out to Dr King 0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:42.920 as we celebrate as you approach his birthday and we 0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:45.560 celebrate what it is that he's meant to our people 0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:48.920 and the evolution and the growth and just you know, 0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:52.520 the fight for justice and equality in this country. We 0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:57.200 salute you King absolutely. You know, I know I'm I'm 0:36:57.239 --> 0:37:00.400 going back, circling back. But one of the things that 0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:03.560 they did to try to stop I want to read 0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:08.920 this from uh Dr Julianne Malvo. Dr Julianne Malvo is 0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:12.680 a historian. She's a great leader, she is a professor. 0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:16.560 She is um one of the mentors of black women 0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:20.320 scholars in this nation. If you don't know Julienne Malvo, 0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:23.600 you should learn more. About her. But this is a 0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:27.439 piece that she wrote, The King Holiday reflects our resilience. 0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:31.400 And this is just one piece that I want folks 0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:33.839 to know because you know, as people look at us 0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:36.920 and certainly we're not trying to be or or liking 0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:39.839 ourselves to Dr King, but we would like to live 0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:43.560 up to his work. But listen to what one of 0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:49.359 the individuals who opposed the legislation, this is what he did. 0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:52.680 His name was Senator Jesse Helms. He is a Republican 0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:57.160 north from North Carolina. He passed out binders full of 0:37:57.320 --> 0:38:01.520 lies about Dr King, described men him as a communist 0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:06.240 and worse things. He sat around basically what the buinder 0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:08.920 of stuff, just the same way like social media is 0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:12.080 the new binder. Dr King is a liar, called him 0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:16.080 a communist, called him, called him a danger to UH 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:19.719 to America. He said, he said Dr King, he said 0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:22.319 that Dr King was everything terrible. This is even in 0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:25.160 Dr King's death. Dr King was dead and he was 0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:29.120 still saying these horrible things and telling these horrible lies 0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:31.799 about him. And that was what he was using to 0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:34.360 try to block the holiday. So when you see people 0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:38.400 out here who are accusing folks of misappropriation, of funds. 0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:40.440 They are accusing people when some people do do that, 0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:45.360 but nonetheless, misappropriation of funds, uh lying, cloud Chase and 0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:48.600 all of that on social media is the new binder 0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:51.480 that Dr King had to deal with when he was 0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:54.000 being well. He was already dead, but even before that 0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:57.279 he had been uh titled if you will, or had 0:38:57.280 --> 0:39:01.760 been labeled the most dangerous man in America. That binder 0:39:01.840 --> 0:39:05.400 now exists in the form of comments on social media. 0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:10.040 And we know all too well with that credit to 0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:14.359 discredit man. You know, there there's the's a playbook, you know, 0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:17.319 and we watched it, We've seen it, we've experienced it, 0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:20.120 we felt it, we've seen it happen to all our leaders. 0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:23.560 And the main way to discredit us is through media. 0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:26.160 You know, now that we have social media, you have 0:39:26.280 --> 0:39:29.359 people who who have no knowledge, people don't even have 0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:32.960 a face, that are able to discredit you and make claims, 0:39:33.040 --> 0:39:36.640 baseless claims that they can't prove, you know, and and 0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:40.359 and and then we have a people who are so 0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:46.040 consumed by negativity that they just grabbed onto that because 0:39:46.120 --> 0:39:49.080 you know, like my brother Charlotmagne always says, who kids 0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:51.719 about the truth when a lot is more entertaining. You know, 0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:54.760 when a lie is entertaining and it says that somebody 0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:59.799 who who does positive things is negative and somebody people like, wow, 0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:03.120 really this person and they can go dirt on your 0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:07.279 name and they can somehow to fame you and discredit you. 0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:10.160 Is it leads for a more story at least for 0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:13.200 a better story on you know, social media. People want 0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:15.680 to hear that. They don't want to hear all the positivity. 0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:17.319 They want to they want to be able to tell 0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:19.200 you that there's a lot of people, not all people. 0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:21.480 There's a lot of people. So I just want to 0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:25.000 shout out, shout out to brothers you know who are 0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:27.320 doing things. You know, we weren't gonna talk about it, 0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:29.759 but shout out to meet mill Man. This because the 0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:35.040 negativity is always overshadowed by the positivity. Brothers, that the 0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:38.759 positivity is always overshadow about the negativity. It's not there 0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:42.319 there you go. The positivity is you know, the negativity 0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:47.440 is always over the positivity is always overshadowed by the negativity. Yes, 0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:50.360 you are right, and I stand correctly. You know, Brothers 0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:54.200 started reform. He's bringing people home from jail Christmas, he 0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:58.560 build out mothers who are incarcerated. He's constantly doing positive 0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:01.719 things in the community with children, you know. Shout out 0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:04.680 to NBA young boy who started this non violence you 0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:08.560 know campaign that he's been doing, and he's actually teamed 0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:11.520 up with former people that he would be from what 0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:15.000 to give out toys and communities. Shout out to Bobby's 0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:18.600 murder who came home. And it's intentional about being in 0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:23.040 detention centers, dealing with at risk you people who are incarcerated, 0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:27.320 young youth who incarcerated, who don't have, you know, role models, 0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:30.759 and who don't have positive influences. And these people are 0:41:30.800 --> 0:41:33.040 doing this work. And I know they're doing this work, 0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:36.480 and it's not publicized as it should be. You know, 0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:39.239 it's not it's always the negativity that gets highlighted when 0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:42.120 they get into argument, discredit, you know, and all these sites, 0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:47.200 you exactly, but and I know we're human, but I 0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:50.200 just would I want to give the credibility and I 0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:53.399 want to give the positivity somebody because they're definitely doing 0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:56.600 positive things. You know, in the situation that just happened 0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:58.560 with me, you know, I speak. I spoke to him 0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:01.480 and he talked about how could have been ugly, you know, 0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:04.719 everybody's drinking. He's he's arguing about the fight. He's talking 0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:07.000 about how Tank is gonna win. And the guy him 0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:09.440 got into some words and he was there with a 0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:12.040 bunch of his friends and and and cooler, and he 0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:14.719 said to himself, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna allow 0:42:14.840 --> 0:42:17.319 this to turn into more than that. Yeah, there was 0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:19.720 back and forth. He knew a bunch of his friends, 0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:22.560 some of them who who have higher temperance, they don't 0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:24.440 have as much to lose. And what he did was 0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:27.759 immediately lead. He said, let's go. He said, I was 0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:29.960 in there a bunch of my friends and we left 0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:33.160 it without incident. You know. And rather than being praised 0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:35.840 for that, this we're always gonna be the part that 0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:38.440 there's the argument, there was this, and that no praise 0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:41.480 the man because he was able to de escalate. He 0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:44.800 he separated itself from a situation that could have been drafted. 0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:47.880 You know. So I want to I want to applaud that. 0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:50.560 I want to start highlight because we always call out 0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:53.239 coward culture and I call out the negativity of our 0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:56.000 black brothers because I want us to hold ourselves accountable. 0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:59.080 But I also want to highlight we do positive things. 0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:01.520 So I want to make sure so those brothers understand 0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:04.279 that we see you and we love that you are 0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:06.680 taking that role. We love that you invol We love 0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:10.480 that you are recognizing that you have the power to escalate, 0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:13.799 you have the power to do something better. You you know, 0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:17.440 you you're walking into that power. That's what gangster is 0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:19.680 to me. So those those brothers right there that I 0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:22.279 just described, those what I call gangsters, I want to 0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:25.560 salute them. Yeah, absolutely, I love that. I have nothing 0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:28.680 more to add. I appreciate what you just said. And 0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:30.960 I think we you know, and I've even had to 0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:34.120 learn that in our human moments that you know, you 0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:38.320 gotta make good decisions. You gotta make decisions that especially 0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:40.759 when you're drinking and you out. But I'm gonna be 0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:43.919 honest with you, my son, as I was watching the incident, Yes, 0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:46.279 I know, those things could turn into violence, It could 0:43:46.280 --> 0:43:48.279 turn into a bigger thing. It could turn into something 0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:50.520 that goes on next week or your camp to get 0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:54.360 into a fight. But I've been my whole life since 0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:57.960 I was a little girl, especially coming up in the South, 0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:01.960 you know, being with my family in the house whenever 0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:05.920 there's a sports event or something that is, it's tense. 0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:10.360 I've seen the men get into big arguments and maybe 0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:14.000 even start stuckling with people. Gotta be like getting relaxed, 0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:16.920 like y'all are doing too much. So for us, we 0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:19.239 used to see in these types of things and the 0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:27.560 energy and everybody starts getting into it. I've always say that, 0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:30.799 but you know, but when the media gets involved, to 0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:34.840 your point, they're going to stretch it for their content 0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:38.319 that clicks in their LIFs. When the truth is generally 0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:42.439 those incidents in exactly as it did, people calm down, 0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:46.759 other people got involved, say listen, relax turned down, and 0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:49.440 then you know, people get to go home safe. So 0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:53.040 you know, I'm just saying it don't really get us 0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:57.080 as rattled as it does some people because we used 0:44:57.120 --> 0:45:03.080 to seeing folks get super aggressive around sports events especially. Yeah, 0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:04.799 now it doesn't give me. Rather, it's just that I 0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:07.920 know that the media has a way to perpetuate things. 0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:10.879 And I know in those situations when there's a lot 0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:12.719 of people, you're in the front row of the fight 0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:16.680 and you're somebody and he's somebody, and then you have entourages, 0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:20.399 nobody wants to really lose, right, So when those things 0:45:20.440 --> 0:45:24.640 is publicized and publicly, somebody gets beat or hit, you 0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:27.960 know that that turns into the next level of gun play. 0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:30.239 It's not it's not like it used to be. You know, 0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:32.719 people used to have a fight and you go on 0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:36.840 and his energy. But right now everything is super hype, 0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:41.040 you know, super super hyped up. So you know, I'm 0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:43.680 glad that cooler has prevailed. And I wanted salute me 0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:47.239 for for being just being having that foresight because there 0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:49.439 was times that he didn't, you know what I'm saying, 0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:51.959 in his growth and you see the growth. You see 0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:54.759 the growth from the Safari situation to now you see 0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:58.200 and let's let's promote that, man, Let's celebrate that. Let's say, 0:45:58.239 --> 0:46:00.759 your brother, we appreciate you. You are you're doing You're 0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:02.759 doing what's supposed to be done in this culture. Man. 0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:06.360 So that's that, all right. Well, you've got a guest 0:46:06.440 --> 0:46:08.719 coming up today. Are someone that you broke to be 0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:13.440 on the show who has an impactful story himself, and 0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:15.960 then on top of his story being so impactful, he 0:46:16.040 --> 0:46:20.000 also um is now doing something for some other individuals 0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:26.240 that really need help. So let's welcome them the street politicians. 0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:31.160 So today we have a special guest this brother was 0:46:32.320 --> 0:46:37.160 convicted of a crime, wrongfully convicted of a crime, then exonerated, 0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:40.920 and then went on to become a lawyer. Um. I 0:46:41.080 --> 0:46:44.239 heard of his story from my brother shot brother to 0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:48.680 make us shock and sing, and he said, you've got 0:46:48.680 --> 0:46:50.919 to meet this brother. And we had a good conversation. 0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:55.239 And his brother is very, very passionate. No reminds me 0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:58.520 a lot of myself. You know, after being wrongfully convicted, 0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:00.920 you come home and you have this will and this 0:47:01.120 --> 0:47:03.759 drive to just want to do better. Um, and this 0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:07.920 brother is just that. His name is Jared Adams. How 0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:10.600 are you doing today, King, I'm doing well. Thank you 0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:13.239 both for having me on the big fans of you 0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:16.000 all for quite some time. And I'm just appreciative to 0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:18.440 have this platform to talk about my my clients in 0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:22.120 this story. Before we get to clients, you know, give 0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:25.840 a little bit. So you were wrongfully convicted of a crime. 0:47:26.440 --> 0:47:29.160 What was this crime? You know, what was the process 0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:32.840 of you going about getting exonerated and didn't coming to 0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:36.680 actually become an attorney? Yeah? Well, I was falsely accused 0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:40.440 of a rate at the age of seventeen years old. Um. 0:47:40.480 --> 0:47:43.680 A lot of it had to do with brace, you know, 0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:46.800 simply put. You know, my accuser was a white girl. 0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:51.480 Um my mom didn't have any money to afford an attorney. 0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:54.200 And I sat and I watched what I thought I 0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:58.440 knew about the justice system, you know, totally, you know, 0:47:58.520 --> 0:48:01.760 crumble down of the reality of what the criminal justice 0:48:01.760 --> 0:48:05.440 system really is. I got to to prison term in 0:48:05.480 --> 0:48:07.879 eighteen years old, and all I had was in high 0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:11.040 school education. So I knew I needed to find a 0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:13.920 way to be able to communicate my innocence because at 0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:16.719 the time I didn't know how. I started to do 0:48:16.760 --> 0:48:18.319 the same thing that a lot of brothers do when 0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:21.360 they're getting this situation. When I started to fight for myself. 0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:26.760 I educated myself through having aunties you know who mailed 0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:30.360 me case law, to reading in the paper about attorneys 0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:33.360 and reaching out to them, acting questions, and eventually the 0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:37.640 Wisconsin Innocence Project took my case, litigating my case all 0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:39.600 the way up to the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals 0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:44.680 where my conviction was unanimously reversed. My record was ultimately expunged, 0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:48.400 and I came home and started the healing process with therapy. 0:48:48.760 --> 0:48:51.560 Then I was able to go ahead and get my 0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:56.000 associate's degree bachelor's degree, law degree, and I clerked in 0:48:56.000 --> 0:48:59.000 the same circuit that overturned my conviction before I started 0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:03.440 to work for the Innocence. That's incredible, the just the storyline. 0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:05.520 It sounds like a movie. You know. It's like, if 0:49:05.560 --> 0:49:07.440 we didn't know and see you here as a living 0:49:07.520 --> 0:49:10.680 breath in person, it would be, you know, a great 0:49:10.920 --> 0:49:15.920 uh story and and story of triumph for TV. And 0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:19.640 we know that aren't often imitates life. So much of 0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:22.759 what we see as the depictions on the screen are 0:49:22.800 --> 0:49:26.040 things that are actually happening to so many people, and 0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:31.040 particularly black people. And then even more specifically black men 0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:35.560 um and the issue of rape um and the issue 0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:39.160 of the black male put in the position of being 0:49:39.960 --> 0:49:43.840 called the rapenist by white women is a very very 0:49:44.040 --> 0:49:48.239 significant issue. Can you tell us a little bit about that? 0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:52.720 What was the story? What happened? And then and then again, 0:49:52.840 --> 0:49:54.919 I know you're kind of going over the same thing, 0:49:55.320 --> 0:49:59.240 but then, what was the process of exoneration from something 0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:03.319 that series? It's like, what did the the entity Wisconsant 0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:07.160 Innocence project here and see in your story that made 0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:10.520 him want to take your case? So I told the 0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:13.440 complete beginning from the end in my book that I 0:50:13.480 --> 0:50:16.120 have autter eve Injustice. But the best way to get 0:50:16.120 --> 0:50:19.040 to it was this, if you could think about what 0:50:19.160 --> 0:50:22.920 happened with m. TiO, That's exactly what happened to me 0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:26.640 and my two the friends you. We were invited to 0:50:26.920 --> 0:50:30.440 uh to a party where a consensual encounter took place, 0:50:30.840 --> 0:50:33.920 and there was a false accusation that bore out of it. 0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:37.680 We didn't find out until like months later, and when 0:50:37.680 --> 0:50:42.520 we got to face these charges, the narrative had totally 0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:46.400 changed into what we normally see the historical depiction of 0:50:46.440 --> 0:50:50.200 black men's are where ravagers savagers, and it was basically 0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:52.719 like we were guilty and had to prove our innocence. 0:50:53.320 --> 0:50:56.319 The truth is, we went to this party, we were 0:50:56.360 --> 0:51:00.120 invited up, this young lady invited us into a room. 0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:02.919 My roommate walked in on this encounter, and from that 0:51:03.160 --> 0:51:08.880 started these false accusations that grew into a narrative. Still, 0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:12.560 I'd have no idea where they came up and created 0:51:12.600 --> 0:51:19.960 this stuff from. So we're we're now faced with seventeen 0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:23.000 years old. None of us have ever been in any 0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:27.640 trouble with the law at all, and so our attorneys 0:51:28.239 --> 0:51:31.279 are telling their strategy that we can only have the 0:51:31.320 --> 0:51:34.279 hope was true, but it wasn't. This case was tried 0:51:34.360 --> 0:51:38.839 on race and it had absolutely no evidence besides the accusation. 0:51:39.239 --> 0:51:42.640 And then where we come to find out is the 0:51:42.680 --> 0:51:46.640 police withheld the statement from a college student that undermined 0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:50.000 the entire accusations and he corraborated our version of events. 0:51:50.400 --> 0:51:52.840 That statement was never turned over to us during trial. 0:51:53.160 --> 0:51:56.080 So that's what the Innocence Project was ever to obtain, 0:51:56.360 --> 0:52:01.560 which resulting in us being being exonerating. I asked about 0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:06.839 that the Innocence Project piece because so many people contact us, um, 0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:11.760 you know, claiming their innocence. Uh, they're advocating for themselves, 0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:17.080 and they're looking for organizations, groups and otherwise to pick 0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:20.640 up their stories. Especially the project. I think I get 0:52:20.840 --> 0:52:24.120 the most calls asking can I connect somebody within any 0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:28.759 project to uh, you know, so many, especially brothers I 0:52:28.800 --> 0:52:32.920 don't often, which I think is also, um, pretty scary. 0:52:33.040 --> 0:52:35.799 We don't really hear from women as much who are 0:52:35.920 --> 0:52:39.080 in prison. Understanding that black women are the fastest growing 0:52:39.200 --> 0:52:43.280 population in prison, we don't really hear much from women 0:52:43.760 --> 0:52:48.319 saying can you help me get my sentence overturned? Right here? 0:52:48.400 --> 0:52:51.120 From our brothers will all the time. What did you 0:52:51.200 --> 0:52:54.719 say to the Innocence Project? What did that look like? Um? 0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:57.600 And because I would imagine that because they took your case, 0:52:57.680 --> 0:52:59.880 it's one of the things that encouraged you to work 0:52:59.880 --> 0:53:03.000 on the two individuals that you're gonna talk about today. Yeah, 0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:05.560 and and to your point to me, to listen, women 0:53:05.600 --> 0:53:10.000 are the fastest growing because of the numbers of black 0:53:10.080 --> 0:53:12.759 men that they've been going through at a at a 0:53:12.840 --> 0:53:15.960 rate of like pac Man, right. And and the thing 0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:18.720 about it is I actually represent, you know, some women, 0:53:18.719 --> 0:53:21.880 and I'm investigating their cases and claims of actual innocence 0:53:21.880 --> 0:53:25.200 as well. The horrible thing about women and wrongfully going 0:53:25.280 --> 0:53:29.400 for convictions is that oftentimes women who are rongfully convicted, 0:53:29.960 --> 0:53:33.560 they are roomfully convicted of not like painous murders, but 0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:37.239 of actual depths of their own kids, which is even 0:53:37.280 --> 0:53:41.200 more traumatic to think about. The science hadn't called up 0:53:41.239 --> 0:53:46.759 to shaking baby syndrome, right, And so you know, if 0:53:46.800 --> 0:53:51.279 the science is off and you're accusing mothers of wrong doing, well, 0:53:51.280 --> 0:53:54.359 who do you think, Barrett the brunt of those accusations. 0:53:54.360 --> 0:53:57.040 Before the science caught up, it was black women, it 0:53:57.120 --> 0:54:00.440 was women of color, and so it most certainly is 0:54:00.719 --> 0:54:02.479 an issue, and I wanted to just touch that before 0:54:02.480 --> 0:54:05.120 I go on too answer. And what I did was this, First, 0:54:05.200 --> 0:54:08.040 let me say this, I had some praying folks on 0:54:08.040 --> 0:54:11.279 my side, like my mother and my aunts would not 0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:17.319 allow my spirit to to to dissipate. Because of them, 0:54:17.360 --> 0:54:20.960 I was able to just live each and every day 0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:23.200 like I was preparing to come home the next day. 0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:26.440 So I started to write as many people as I could, 0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:30.400 and I started to go through case law and articulate 0:54:30.480 --> 0:54:33.319 my case with the case that was, you know, in 0:54:33.400 --> 0:54:36.120 the news or the hottest topic, and eventually I was 0:54:36.160 --> 0:54:37.680 able to get the help that way. It's one of 0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:40.760 these things where you should ask for help, you should 0:54:40.760 --> 0:54:44.640 seek seek help, but you should also be helping yourself 0:54:45.000 --> 0:54:48.760 by educating yourself as much as possible. The Innistance Project 0:54:49.160 --> 0:54:51.560 is an organization no different than the one that I've 0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:54.759 built called Life of the Justice, where we can only 0:54:54.800 --> 0:54:58.839 take so many cases right with two points something million 0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:02.040 people incarcerated, if only we had two per cent of 0:55:02.040 --> 0:55:05.799 those wrongfully convicted, that leaves thousands of people who are 0:55:05.800 --> 0:55:09.680 wrongfully convicted, and the money ain't in this work. To me, 0:55:09.880 --> 0:55:11.840 you might saying, you know what I'm saying when I 0:55:11.840 --> 0:55:15.080 say that the money ain't in this type of work 0:55:15.080 --> 0:55:18.040 where you're advocating and where you're taking on cases for free. 0:55:18.520 --> 0:55:21.080 These cases can go on for five to seven years 0:55:21.280 --> 0:55:24.800 at a hundred plus thousand dollars you know, each case, 0:55:25.160 --> 0:55:28.680 and so it's not easy. So when people are looking 0:55:28.719 --> 0:55:31.120 for help and they're just not getting their responses for 0:55:31.280 --> 0:55:34.080 organizations like the Innocence Project, it doesn't mean it's your 0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:36.239 case is bad. It doesn't mean that they want to help. 0:55:36.440 --> 0:55:40.640 It's just the reality that the resources are not here. 0:55:41.280 --> 0:55:45.759 The laws do not support people post conviction because most 0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:49.200 of the people claiming flaws in their post conviction look 0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:53.680 like us on this zoom right. Now. That's that's powerful. 0:55:54.440 --> 0:55:58.759 So now let's get to um the case that you are. Now. 0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:02.040 When you when you explained to me, it was mind body, 0:56:02.080 --> 0:56:05.759 but I didn't even understand being form in cars rated 0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:09.359 to understanding, you know, just understanding the law and and 0:56:09.400 --> 0:56:12.080 just understand what I know the law to be. What 0:56:12.239 --> 0:56:14.160 you're saying to me just really didn't even make sense. 0:56:14.160 --> 0:56:16.200 So I just want you to give us a little 0:56:16.600 --> 0:56:20.840 understanding about the case we're here talking about today. So 0:56:20.960 --> 0:56:24.640 I'll do my best because when you try to make 0:56:24.760 --> 0:56:27.479 some sense out of something that's senseless, it just don't 0:56:27.520 --> 0:56:30.600 make sense. But here's the story of Terrence and Ron 0:56:31.040 --> 0:56:35.480 not guilty, certain life. These are two young men born, 0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:40.560 raised in the Waverley, Virginia area. There's an officer who's 0:56:40.600 --> 0:56:46.520 shot and killed around ten forty eleven a m. As 0:56:46.520 --> 0:56:50.759 they always do, there's a rush to judgment and around 0:56:50.840 --> 0:56:53.959 up of nothing more than than what I can call 0:56:54.360 --> 0:56:57.440 a roundup of young black men between the areas of 0:56:58.080 --> 0:57:02.719 Waverley all the way up to Richmond. Of a description 0:57:03.440 --> 0:57:08.960 that does not fit and never fit Terence and Farran's description. 0:57:09.719 --> 0:57:13.440 This officer is shot. The police immediately get there. He 0:57:13.520 --> 0:57:16.480 gives a description. They started to go out looking for 0:57:16.520 --> 0:57:23.120 people when all alone they knew who the eyewitness, the 0:57:23.160 --> 0:57:28.200 only eyewitness had identified, was not Terence and Farran. That 0:57:28.360 --> 0:57:32.080 part of their case was buried. It was buried. No 0:57:32.720 --> 0:57:37.880 investigative journalists asks questions, and down in this town, in Waverley, 0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:40.840 which is one of the last known towns to ever 0:57:40.960 --> 0:57:44.760 do an open lynching, it was as quiet as an 0:57:44.800 --> 0:57:50.200 injustice could ever be. These guys are get this. They're 0:57:50.240 --> 0:57:53.720 accused of killing the cop. Two black guys accused of 0:57:53.800 --> 0:57:58.280 killing the white cop, and they ultimately, trying to avoid 0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:02.480 the death penalty, plead guilty to accessory after the fact 0:58:02.800 --> 0:58:07.320 time server and the other pleaded guilty to man slide, 0:58:08.000 --> 0:58:11.480 thinking that if they did this they will be appointing 0:58:11.480 --> 0:58:14.560 the death penalty. I'll pause and say this, there was 0:58:14.600 --> 0:58:17.120 a time where we never believe that anyone would plead 0:58:17.120 --> 0:58:20.800 guilty to anything that they didn't do. But with the 0:58:20.880 --> 0:58:24.040 sister able to Duverney in the central part five case, 0:58:24.520 --> 0:58:27.960 we've now become educated that people are put in situations 0:58:28.000 --> 0:58:29.920 where if they're trying to save their life and the 0:58:29.960 --> 0:58:34.000 lives of their families, they will make decisions that we're 0:58:34.080 --> 0:58:37.600 sitting there on our couch cannot understand. That is exactly 0:58:37.640 --> 0:58:41.240 what happened with Terrence and for Ron. So now the 0:58:41.320 --> 0:58:47.040 family of the officer is they're mad and they're going 0:58:47.080 --> 0:58:49.360 to the Department of Justice and their accident Department of 0:58:49.440 --> 0:58:53.560 Justice to right or wrong because they believed that the 0:58:53.640 --> 0:58:57.200 people they were told that we're responsible for the death 0:58:57.240 --> 0:59:01.760 of their son, the officers Alan giveson. They believe that 0:59:01.800 --> 0:59:05.440 they got off to light. But the true reality is 0:59:05.520 --> 0:59:11.080 that it wasn't them, and that's why the prosecutor gave 0:59:11.160 --> 0:59:14.200 them the deals that they gave They ended up being 0:59:14.200 --> 0:59:17.960 investigated by the FADS during eight months. By eight months, 0:59:17.960 --> 0:59:21.880 you know, eight months after the interer of a guilty plea, 0:59:22.720 --> 0:59:28.840 the Feds sit down a team of of undercover agents 0:59:28.960 --> 0:59:32.560 to do control bys of people in around this town. 0:59:33.440 --> 0:59:36.040 With those people that they were able to get controlled 0:59:36.080 --> 0:59:40.439 bys on, they used them to bring the federal case 0:59:40.480 --> 0:59:44.000 and the safe that the depth of Officer Gibson was 0:59:44.040 --> 0:59:47.400 the result of Terence at Iran being drug kingp in 0:59:47.520 --> 0:59:51.320 for teen years and that's how the death happened as 0:59:51.360 --> 0:59:54.760 the furtherance of the drug conspiracy. They ended up being 0:59:54.800 --> 0:59:58.480 tried in federal court for the same murder that they 0:59:58.520 --> 1:00:01.640 played guilty to trying to boy the death penalty. They're 1:00:01.680 --> 1:00:04.240 now facing the death penalty and federal court for this 1:00:04.440 --> 1:00:09.240 same murder, and it's wrapped in a drug conspiracy that 1:00:09.320 --> 1:00:14.760 has no drugs, no proceeds from drugs, no photos, no 1:00:14.920 --> 1:00:19.640 recorded conversations, no baby mamas with with with with houses, 1:00:20.120 --> 1:00:24.120 no chains, no gold teeth. If I told somebody that 1:00:24.240 --> 1:00:26.640 I had a baby, you would expect to see rattles 1:00:26.640 --> 1:00:29.080 and strollers and stuff like that. So if you say 1:00:29.160 --> 1:00:32.120 someone has been dealing drugs for teen years. You would 1:00:32.160 --> 1:00:37.760 expect to see proceeds, you drug parapherniliar something, Absolutely no 1:00:37.880 --> 1:00:41.720 evidence at all, they bring forth this case. And again 1:00:42.320 --> 1:00:46.680 this is as quiet as an injustice as you're ever here, 1:00:46.920 --> 1:00:51.160 because something like a cop being killed is normally national news. 1:00:51.400 --> 1:00:54.680 But the reason why it wasn't was because they knew 1:00:55.520 --> 1:00:57.960 that these guys had nothing to do with it, and 1:00:58.040 --> 1:01:00.920 so did the jury, who ultimately they found these guys 1:01:01.000 --> 1:01:04.080 not guilty of the murder, but found them guilty of 1:01:04.160 --> 1:01:07.600 one drug count. Now I could go on and tell 1:01:07.680 --> 1:01:10.240 you my opinion of why I think the jury found 1:01:10.280 --> 1:01:14.600 them guilty of that one drug count. But to bring 1:01:14.680 --> 1:01:18.040 it to to where everybody can understand, think about the 1:01:18.040 --> 1:01:21.680 neighborhoods we grew up in. Think about how you see 1:01:21.840 --> 1:01:25.800 a federal suite come through and they picked up guys 1:01:25.840 --> 1:01:29.040 that you know good and well, are living on air 1:01:29.120 --> 1:01:33.720 mama's couch, don't have any money nowhere near big time 1:01:33.800 --> 1:01:37.600 drug dealer, but they've charged them with the keenpn statute 1:01:38.040 --> 1:01:41.160 amongst the group of other people. That's exactly what they 1:01:41.200 --> 1:01:45.400 did to Terence and Iran with absolutely no evidence. So 1:01:45.440 --> 1:01:48.680 now these guys are now found guilty of this one 1:01:49.080 --> 1:01:53.280 single drug count. This one drug count would have resulted 1:01:53.360 --> 1:01:57.200 in a hundred and twenty months to two hundred at most, 1:01:57.520 --> 1:02:00.200 depending on the calculation of the drugs and amount they 1:02:00.200 --> 1:02:04.720 were left to have. So using what is nothing more 1:02:05.400 --> 1:02:09.880 than a legal lynching is a case called US versus 1:02:09.920 --> 1:02:15.200 Watch where the court, despite the jury finding them not guilty, 1:02:15.640 --> 1:02:19.760 use the accusation of them being involved with the cops 1:02:19.840 --> 1:02:23.720 murdered and the state court guilty please to enhance their 1:02:23.760 --> 1:02:28.800 sentence to life in prison. So essentially they robbed due 1:02:28.840 --> 1:02:31.840 process and saying we don't care what the jury says, 1:02:32.280 --> 1:02:35.000 we think they did it. Here goes your life sentence. 1:02:35.320 --> 1:02:38.240 And they've now been in federal prison for the last 1:02:38.320 --> 1:02:42.480 twenty five plus years. That's just unbelievable just listening to that, 1:02:42.560 --> 1:02:46.160 Like when you told me that before, you know, it 1:02:46.480 --> 1:02:49.400 didn't make sense, and the more you say it makes 1:02:49.520 --> 1:02:54.960 less and less and less sense. So so what what 1:02:55.120 --> 1:02:57.800 is the process now? What? What? What have you been doing? 1:02:58.440 --> 1:03:00.600 You know, to try to write because you know when 1:03:00.600 --> 1:03:03.440 I when I spoke to you, you told me how 1:03:03.680 --> 1:03:07.880 you've been You really started investing your own money in this. 1:03:07.880 --> 1:03:10.880 This was something you looked at the injustice and you 1:03:10.920 --> 1:03:14.160 were so passionate about getting these brothers home that you 1:03:14.240 --> 1:03:18.560 started doing things that made it personal for you. I'll 1:03:18.640 --> 1:03:23.600 tell you this, um so, how I got involved with 1:03:23.680 --> 1:03:27.480 this case. I'm doing a speaking event at the Virginia 1:03:27.600 --> 1:03:32.480 Sheriff's Association where where where brothers and sisters are getting 1:03:32.600 --> 1:03:36.720 their rights restored back to vote after completing and discharging 1:03:36.880 --> 1:03:40.640 a sentence. And at the end, you know, it was 1:03:40.680 --> 1:03:43.080 a lady who was standing in the line. She was 1:03:43.120 --> 1:03:46.600 at least about eight people back. But what stood out 1:03:46.640 --> 1:03:51.960 to for me was if you could see the wrinkles 1:03:51.960 --> 1:03:55.320 increases of anguish on the forehead as she's making her 1:03:55.320 --> 1:03:58.560 way up to me. It reminded me of my mother, 1:03:59.400 --> 1:04:02.600 and I could rememb here being in the courtroom and 1:04:02.840 --> 1:04:06.160 I'm raised by all women, so to be accused of 1:04:06.200 --> 1:04:08.800 something of a rape and my mother and my aunts 1:04:08.800 --> 1:04:11.400 are hearing this, I would often turn around and look 1:04:11.440 --> 1:04:14.480 at them just to reassure them they know who they raised. 1:04:14.480 --> 1:04:17.360 This ain't true, and the regals increases of forehead on 1:04:17.400 --> 1:04:19.680 their forehead. I will never forget it. And when I 1:04:19.680 --> 1:04:23.760 saw this woman approaching me, it made me stop and 1:04:24.360 --> 1:04:26.760 I said, I gotta find out what she wants. So 1:04:26.840 --> 1:04:29.080 she gave me a Manila envelope and it was it 1:04:29.160 --> 1:04:33.320 was Fran's Mary Clayboom, and I started to read the 1:04:33.360 --> 1:04:35.360 contents and I said, I give you my word, It's 1:04:35.400 --> 1:04:38.400 all I can give you. I said, I'll look and 1:04:38.440 --> 1:04:41.200 I'll work in this case until the evidence tells me 1:04:41.240 --> 1:04:44.280 to stop, because oftentimes, you know, you get cases and 1:04:44.280 --> 1:04:47.000 it just ain't the true. Man. People have plans and innocence, 1:04:47.200 --> 1:04:50.560 and sometimes it just ain't the truth. I told her this, 1:04:51.320 --> 1:04:55.920 and two thousand and seventeen, I've not stopped working on 1:04:55.960 --> 1:04:59.600 this case. Since every piece of money that my firm 1:04:59.640 --> 1:05:02.720 is able bring in, I've donated a third of that 1:05:03.240 --> 1:05:08.840 to furthering the investigation of this case. I've hired former 1:05:09.120 --> 1:05:14.400 federal investigators, retired judges, prosecutors, and defense attorneys to put 1:05:14.440 --> 1:05:17.800 together a panel and say here's what I found. You 1:05:17.920 --> 1:05:21.120 tell me if I'm wrong. Not one of them told 1:05:21.120 --> 1:05:23.960 me I was wrong. That's how sure I am about 1:05:23.960 --> 1:05:26.560 this case. And that's why I'm here today to put 1:05:26.560 --> 1:05:29.160 the messaging out. Because if you could be accused of 1:05:29.160 --> 1:05:32.880 a crime, found not guilty, and still sentenced to life, 1:05:33.520 --> 1:05:35.720 what do we stand a chance in the system at all. 1:05:36.320 --> 1:05:40.000 What was the sentence for the guilty clean state for it? 1:05:40.000 --> 1:05:43.880 It was one year time served for for wrong right 1:05:44.600 --> 1:05:48.439 and it was a five year suspended like three years 1:05:48.480 --> 1:05:51.320 suspended sentence for terrence. And this is a murder of 1:05:51.360 --> 1:05:54.720 a cop Tomka like, and no one, no one ever, 1:05:55.280 --> 1:05:57.000 no one ever said, well why did they get that? 1:05:57.160 --> 1:06:01.160 Well we know why because through this investigation I contacted 1:06:01.560 --> 1:06:07.000 the prosecutor who did the case. He says very clearly 1:06:07.120 --> 1:06:11.760 and adamantly, he never had the information that someone else 1:06:11.840 --> 1:06:14.360 was identified running away from the scene of the crime. 1:06:14.720 --> 1:06:16.720 We were able to put this stuff in front of him, 1:06:17.280 --> 1:06:20.080 we were able to file us in the court. And 1:06:20.160 --> 1:06:24.400 still the court has said to us, yeah, we hear 1:06:24.400 --> 1:06:28.400 what you're saying, and we you might have a legitimate argument, 1:06:28.760 --> 1:06:31.120 but they should have brought this years ago, so therefore 1:06:31.200 --> 1:06:34.920 we don't want to hear it. That's just crazy. So 1:06:35.160 --> 1:06:37.760 isn't it. Usually what you look you will be looking 1:06:37.800 --> 1:06:43.000 for is a judgice and interests of justice. Indeed, indeed, 1:06:43.040 --> 1:06:45.200 I mean because because what we're talking about, like I said, 1:06:45.280 --> 1:06:49.440 is this, you're talking about a situation that's set up 1:06:49.440 --> 1:06:52.280 for you not to win post inviction. When a person 1:06:52.360 --> 1:06:58.080 is convicted. It is designed for finality, not for justice. 1:06:58.200 --> 1:07:01.200 They are reviewing the case to see if any way 1:07:01.240 --> 1:07:04.520 they can say good trial. It's not gonna work in 1:07:04.520 --> 1:07:09.280 a case like this that screens actual innocence, right. Ruth 1:07:09.320 --> 1:07:12.520 get Ginsburgh said it best in one of her written opinions. 1:07:13.480 --> 1:07:18.520 Innocence should be the gateway over all procedural barriers, and 1:07:18.560 --> 1:07:23.960 in this case it's ridiculously flawed. And that they aren't 1:07:24.040 --> 1:07:27.080 arguing with me about the innocence of these guys because 1:07:27.120 --> 1:07:30.280 the jury found them not guilty. They're not arguing with 1:07:30.320 --> 1:07:32.840 me that evidence in this case was with hail from 1:07:32.880 --> 1:07:36.760 them because they got the same record. So instead they've 1:07:36.800 --> 1:07:39.960 decided to say, well, they should have brought it twenty 1:07:40.040 --> 1:07:42.959 years ago. So therefore we're not gonna hear you said 1:07:43.000 --> 1:07:46.760 they shouldn't have brought it twenty years ago. They should have. 1:07:46.920 --> 1:07:51.360 So basically, yeah, so and and and I have if 1:07:51.600 --> 1:07:54.240 if folks out here looking at this, I have some 1:07:54.520 --> 1:07:58.360 YouTube videos that pretty much educate us, like around post 1:07:58.360 --> 1:08:01.240 condition and the way it works is this. I would 1:08:01.320 --> 1:08:04.680 like to tell everyone that if you're innocent and you 1:08:04.720 --> 1:08:07.920 have the evidence, that's all you need, that's not the case. 1:08:08.480 --> 1:08:13.360 So post conviction works like this. After you're convicted, you 1:08:13.480 --> 1:08:17.920 have a certain amount of time to bring arguments. I 1:08:18.000 --> 1:08:20.160 can't tell you why that is, but that's just the 1:08:20.200 --> 1:08:22.880 way that the system is set up. Some will argue 1:08:22.880 --> 1:08:25.400 that is set up that way to give true victims 1:08:25.680 --> 1:08:30.599 the right to put closure on their case. But there's 1:08:30.600 --> 1:08:33.400 a way to do it while still preserving people's right 1:08:33.520 --> 1:08:36.599 to fight for their innocence, because they are innocent people 1:08:36.640 --> 1:08:39.800 who are there. But it's designed to keep you in 1:08:39.920 --> 1:08:43.800 a short time limit to bring these arguments. And what 1:08:43.920 --> 1:08:48.440 that does is this, it puts It puts people who 1:08:48.840 --> 1:08:53.200 in the criminal justice system that any percent, if not higher, 1:08:53.560 --> 1:08:57.599 rely on public defense. It put people who at post 1:08:57.680 --> 1:09:00.720 conviction couldn't afford the attorney to represent them at the 1:09:00.760 --> 1:09:05.240 initial stage even further behind because now you need an 1:09:05.280 --> 1:09:10.559 attorney to do these challenges to the actual conviction, and 1:09:10.560 --> 1:09:12.720 they have to do it within time frames that are 1:09:12.760 --> 1:09:16.280 like a year two years, and if you missed them, 1:09:16.400 --> 1:09:19.720 they literally will not hear arguments and will block you 1:09:19.880 --> 1:09:23.200 as a result, And it simply makes no sense. And 1:09:23.240 --> 1:09:27.280 then what happened has to happen is this, you now 1:09:27.320 --> 1:09:29.559 have to go from the court of law to the 1:09:29.560 --> 1:09:33.799 court of public opinion in order to hope that someone 1:09:33.880 --> 1:09:39.200 looks at the case becomes disturbed enough, compelled enough, or 1:09:39.240 --> 1:09:42.679 politically indicted enough to do what is right. And that's 1:09:42.720 --> 1:09:46.280 what Terence I a Ron's case is. And I'll expand 1:09:46.360 --> 1:09:50.360 upon that. We made the file into the Virginia and 1:09:50.439 --> 1:09:54.559 Pellic Court acting that they be granted actual innocence. During 1:09:54.560 --> 1:09:58.280 the time, there was a Democratic Attorney General by the 1:09:58.360 --> 1:10:00.599 name of Mark Herron who was in office in Virginia. 1:10:01.200 --> 1:10:05.639 His office took a whole entire year to investigate everything 1:10:05.840 --> 1:10:09.679 that I alleged. They came back and in the seventy 1:10:09.720 --> 1:10:13.160 eight page following they agreed with us and said that 1:10:13.320 --> 1:10:16.680 Terence and Ran should be granted their actual innocence and 1:10:16.720 --> 1:10:21.799 their convictions should be reversed. The problem is Harry lost 1:10:21.800 --> 1:10:27.720 his seat before the actual court hearing, and a Republican, 1:10:27.960 --> 1:10:32.160 Jason Mairis took office. And when he took office, he 1:10:32.280 --> 1:10:35.120 reacted back and I don't even know how he can 1:10:35.160 --> 1:10:37.320 do this, and we're arguing about this in the Virginia 1:10:37.360 --> 1:10:42.439 Supreme Court. Now. He retracted the support of his his 1:10:42.439 --> 1:10:52.160 his you know, redecessor and literally said, well, these guys 1:10:52.240 --> 1:10:55.280 came too late with this argument. He never said anything 1:10:55.320 --> 1:10:59.360 about their guilty. He never said anything about this Attorney 1:10:59.360 --> 1:11:02.439 general view the evidence. And in the r own life 1:11:02.920 --> 1:11:06.200 he simply said, these guys playing guilty. They should have 1:11:06.240 --> 1:11:10.880 brought this long ago, don't do And how how so 1:11:11.000 --> 1:11:15.600 you have the Supreme Court in Virginia. Is there a 1:11:15.720 --> 1:11:20.880 higher court that this can be taken to after it is? 1:11:20.960 --> 1:11:23.880 And so right now there's two things going on. We 1:11:24.000 --> 1:11:27.280 have a part. We have a pardon clemency request on 1:11:27.320 --> 1:11:29.679 the desk of the President right now. I mean it's 1:11:29.720 --> 1:11:33.080 it's there. All of the details and facts are there, 1:11:33.800 --> 1:11:37.960 um and the President can sign this and either pardon 1:11:38.040 --> 1:11:43.200 them or commute their sentence at any time. The argument 1:11:43.200 --> 1:11:46.160 that we're making to the Virginia Supreme Court is that 1:11:47.320 --> 1:11:50.800 you cannot reverse course in the middle of litigation just 1:11:50.880 --> 1:11:54.799 because of a political change in climate. And that's exactly 1:11:54.800 --> 1:11:58.080 what happened in their case. So our argument to the 1:11:58.160 --> 1:12:02.160 Virginia Supreme Court is happening on the week of February fourteen, 1:12:02.800 --> 1:12:05.439 and we're hoping that they order it that down to 1:12:05.840 --> 1:12:09.040 the state court to allow us the opportunity that we've 1:12:09.120 --> 1:12:12.800 never had, and that's the power to have an evidentiary 1:12:12.920 --> 1:12:16.080 hearing where we can subpoena witnesses and support and get 1:12:16.120 --> 1:12:20.960 them sworn under oath to testify as to how the 1:12:21.080 --> 1:12:25.800 evidence of an identification of another suspect that happened less 1:12:25.840 --> 1:12:29.360 than one hour after the officer was shot, how did 1:12:29.400 --> 1:12:32.680 it not make its hands and the prosecutors or the 1:12:32.760 --> 1:12:36.160 defense attorneys back when this case happened. And we're just 1:12:36.240 --> 1:12:37.880 praying right now. And so this is the part of 1:12:37.880 --> 1:12:40.760 the reason why I'm here, because still this case is 1:12:40.800 --> 1:12:43.240 not when national and we're talking about the depth of 1:12:43.240 --> 1:12:46.040 a police officer. Do you understand that if I had 1:12:46.040 --> 1:12:49.080 it wrong, there would be no shortage of a thousand 1:12:49.160 --> 1:12:52.640 articles talking about this crazy black lawyer who making this 1:12:52.720 --> 1:12:56.040 crazy argument. That's not happening because I'm right, And so 1:12:56.120 --> 1:12:59.400 I'm hoping that someone can help me push this thing over. 1:12:59.680 --> 1:13:03.360 And it's gonna take it's gonna take the attention of 1:13:03.560 --> 1:13:06.880 us the culture, because these are two black men who've 1:13:06.920 --> 1:13:09.439 been in there for a quarter century, but something that 1:13:09.479 --> 1:13:12.479 they not only didn't do, but they were found not guilty. 1:13:12.520 --> 1:13:16.559 You h you know, I just want to I want 1:13:16.560 --> 1:13:18.400 to ask two more questions, and I know you've got 1:13:18.439 --> 1:13:21.439 a lot of you got word to do, and we 1:13:21.439 --> 1:13:24.040 we thank you for taking time out your busy schedule 1:13:24.479 --> 1:13:28.160 to come here. First, I want to ask, just listening 1:13:28.200 --> 1:13:30.960 to this, how many people do you think, because we 1:13:31.080 --> 1:13:35.559 see people exonerated every day, you know, all of these 1:13:35.560 --> 1:13:38.320 things clearing people every day, how many people you think 1:13:38.840 --> 1:13:42.160 have been flawed by this process that you're talking about, 1:13:42.200 --> 1:13:47.960 that are actually innocent, who presented evidence and a judge 1:13:48.080 --> 1:13:50.320 has told them that they presented it too late. That's 1:13:50.360 --> 1:13:53.320 probably still sitting in prison right now. That's the first 1:13:53.400 --> 1:13:56.840 question I want to ask. And then lastly, what what 1:13:56.960 --> 1:13:59.960 is it that we we can do to actually help 1:14:00.080 --> 1:14:02.600 this case? Because you know I'm you know, I was 1:14:02.680 --> 1:14:05.920 formally I'm formerly constate and wrongfully convicted of a crime, 1:14:06.000 --> 1:14:09.679 and I know that pain. When you described the mother 1:14:09.760 --> 1:14:12.040 of the wrinkles in the forehead, and you described being 1:14:12.040 --> 1:14:15.880 in that courtroom and looking and assuring your mother and 1:14:15.920 --> 1:14:19.160 your grandmother that they raised a certain person, I remember that. 1:14:19.200 --> 1:14:22.200 I remember my grandmother being in court and I'm looking 1:14:22.240 --> 1:14:25.559 at her and then talking about me. It was one 1:14:25.640 --> 1:14:29.599 thing that one of the victims supposedly who I supposedly robbed, 1:14:30.000 --> 1:14:33.640 said to her that that that gave me some you know, 1:14:33.720 --> 1:14:36.400 gave her understanding that it was a lie. She was 1:14:36.720 --> 1:14:38.840 the victim, said that I got inside of his cab 1:14:38.920 --> 1:14:42.120 and I was smoking a cigarette. And my grandmother knows 1:14:42.320 --> 1:14:45.400 how much I hate cigarettes. My grandmother knew that she 1:14:45.439 --> 1:14:47.840 would put me on punishment for two or three weeks 1:14:47.880 --> 1:14:49.680 because I wouldn't even go to the store about her 1:14:49.720 --> 1:14:52.240 cigarettes because I didn't want her to smoke. She knows 1:14:52.320 --> 1:14:55.160 her aunt I was, so the minute she heard that, 1:14:55.520 --> 1:14:57.839 she jumped up the screen. It had to be removed 1:14:57.880 --> 1:15:00.439 from the courtroom because she said, you were lying. My 1:15:00.520 --> 1:15:02.960 grandson would never smoke. No site where y'all lying on 1:15:03.000 --> 1:15:07.360 my grandson. So that right there gave me some silence 1:15:07.439 --> 1:15:09.639 to knowing that she knew that what they were saying 1:15:09.840 --> 1:15:11.960 was alleged was wrong above me. But I just want 1:15:11.960 --> 1:15:14.599 you to answer those two things so that we can 1:15:14.640 --> 1:15:17.800 you know, let you go. You know, I can tell 1:15:17.800 --> 1:15:21.840 you this. The numbers are scary. They're scary. If we 1:15:22.000 --> 1:15:25.360 have of the two point three million people incarcerated, we 1:15:25.439 --> 1:15:29.800 have roughly somewhere around nine hundred thousand black men, right 1:15:29.840 --> 1:15:33.280 just talking about black men. But if women numbers are increasing, 1:15:33.800 --> 1:15:37.280 So if you just take that and you say to yourself, 1:15:37.800 --> 1:15:41.759 if any of those folks are reliance on public defense, 1:15:42.280 --> 1:15:45.639 and this ain't a negative to talk about a public defender. 1:15:46.000 --> 1:15:50.479 This is to highlight how their job. They can't do it. 1:15:50.479 --> 1:15:53.080 They don't have the resources, they're overwhelmed. So I would 1:15:53.120 --> 1:15:57.040 say this the numbers from the Innocence Project, and John 1:15:57.080 --> 1:16:00.040 Grisson suggests that there's like two to three percent of 1:16:00.040 --> 1:16:04.840 people who are wrongfully convicted. So if they're saying it's two, 1:16:05.920 --> 1:16:09.759 you know that it's probably about ten percent, right, because 1:16:09.800 --> 1:16:12.760 you know that people oftentimes plead guilty for things that 1:16:12.800 --> 1:16:16.960 they didn't do. They oftentimes are advised, you know, ill 1:16:17.000 --> 1:16:19.720 advised you know, to do to to go through and 1:16:19.880 --> 1:16:22.479 or proceeding that they shouldn't go through or way or 1:16:22.520 --> 1:16:25.759 whatever it is taken plea. We know that because before 1:16:25.840 --> 1:16:29.200 their bond reform, people would plead guilty because of the 1:16:29.439 --> 1:16:32.880 how horrible the conditions were and county jails. So so 1:16:33.000 --> 1:16:36.280 if we really wanted to do and find out the numbers, 1:16:36.439 --> 1:16:40.040 we would have to go through and and each individual case. 1:16:40.360 --> 1:16:43.640 And I'm gonna tell you I would say this, of 1:16:43.680 --> 1:16:47.040 the two point three million, I would say somewhere around 1:16:49.120 --> 1:16:52.880 of people who encountered the criminal justice system, are either 1:16:53.400 --> 1:16:58.160 rungfully convicted, um played because they just wanted it over with, 1:16:59.040 --> 1:17:02.480 you know, and and and or didn't have the resources 1:17:02.479 --> 1:17:04.800 to put up their defense and so again they just 1:17:04.840 --> 1:17:07.240 waved the white flag to get it resolved. This is 1:17:07.240 --> 1:17:11.680 a culture thing. This is this is where where you 1:17:11.840 --> 1:17:16.719 have nineties some to percent of of prosecutors being white men, 1:17:17.360 --> 1:17:22.520 and they go on, oftentimes to become judges and then 1:17:22.680 --> 1:17:29.520 there they're they're handling cases and the city's like Chicago, Baltimore, 1:17:29.720 --> 1:17:32.760 where it's a revolving door of young black men that 1:17:32.800 --> 1:17:36.800 are coming before them. They start to become decessitized, and 1:17:36.840 --> 1:17:39.040 they just get rid of cases, get rid of cases, 1:17:39.080 --> 1:17:41.919 get rid of cases. And that's what I'm saying. The numbers, 1:17:42.240 --> 1:17:46.160 if we peeled back the onion, it would terrify us. 1:17:46.760 --> 1:17:51.080 How many people are wrongfully convicted or planned guilty to 1:17:51.200 --> 1:17:56.760 something that they did not do. So tell us, tell 1:17:56.840 --> 1:17:58.720 us what you want us to do to help? How 1:17:58.760 --> 1:18:01.799 can we help? How com people sitting watching this interview 1:18:01.920 --> 1:18:05.120 help like? What? What? What is the process here? Here's 1:18:05.160 --> 1:18:07.760 how I think folks can help. I think we all 1:18:07.800 --> 1:18:12.600 need to become educated about about these issues. And what 1:18:12.680 --> 1:18:16.640 I what I mean by that is the issues that 1:18:16.720 --> 1:18:21.320 directly affect us in our community. Um, they're more than 1:18:21.400 --> 1:18:25.960 just the legal conundrums, you know, they are intertwined with 1:18:26.000 --> 1:18:28.479 the with the problem that we still face and deal 1:18:28.520 --> 1:18:31.880 with in society and at its race that is prejudiced. 1:18:32.479 --> 1:18:36.320 We have a system that you cannot just keep changing 1:18:36.320 --> 1:18:39.360 the faucet. You have to rip up the floor and 1:18:39.479 --> 1:18:42.400 change the pipes in order for it to work. So 1:18:42.439 --> 1:18:46.519 what we have to do is taste by case the 1:18:46.560 --> 1:18:50.840 most egregious to start with. We have to unify as 1:18:50.840 --> 1:18:54.120 a culture behind these cases and not just do it 1:18:54.320 --> 1:18:57.479 at the conclusion of the case. We have to do 1:18:57.520 --> 1:19:00.240 it all the way until that becomes legis slave ship 1:19:00.720 --> 1:19:03.960 that prevents this type of stuff from happening. As a 1:19:04.000 --> 1:19:06.680 result of the central Part five case, you can now 1:19:06.760 --> 1:19:11.120 no longer interrogate kids without an adult. When it comes 1:19:11.120 --> 1:19:14.879 to Terence and for Ron's case, we need to demand 1:19:15.280 --> 1:19:19.719 that the court stops robbing due process of its power, 1:19:19.960 --> 1:19:22.920 specifically at a high rate to black men, when they're 1:19:22.920 --> 1:19:26.760 sentencing people and they are using what's called relevant conduct, 1:19:26.880 --> 1:19:29.960 which is nothing more than accusations by the government, and 1:19:29.960 --> 1:19:33.320 they're using it to enhance brother's sentence to life. So 1:19:33.400 --> 1:19:36.240 what we have to do is, in my opinion, visit 1:19:36.280 --> 1:19:40.000 the website not Guilty Serving Life. Look at the YouTube. 1:19:40.000 --> 1:19:42.360 It tells you how to obtain a progow on Alterney. 1:19:42.640 --> 1:19:45.559 It tells you, um, you know the things that you 1:19:45.600 --> 1:19:48.519 need to look for when you evaluate needs cases. And 1:19:48.600 --> 1:19:52.759 more importantly, we need to sign this petition for Terence 1:19:52.800 --> 1:19:55.639 and for Iron, and we need to eradicate the use 1:19:55.880 --> 1:19:58.680 of relevant conduct. I'm telling you, if you look at 1:19:58.720 --> 1:20:01.720 the numbers, they ain't doing it to nobody with us. 1:20:02.520 --> 1:20:06.160 That's who relevant conduct is being used against. Yeah, sounds 1:20:06.160 --> 1:20:09.680 sounds I mean you say, if so are articulate and 1:20:09.720 --> 1:20:12.559 it's like wrapped up in a bow and it's clear 1:20:12.760 --> 1:20:16.040 even though it's senseless. Um. But there are so many, 1:20:16.200 --> 1:20:21.160 as I said earlier, brothers, family members that we meet 1:20:21.280 --> 1:20:24.559 that are explaining the exact same thing you're saying. They 1:20:24.640 --> 1:20:28.599 just may not be as articulate and able to describe 1:20:28.640 --> 1:20:32.000 it in depth, right, but they know what's happening not 1:20:32.080 --> 1:20:35.400 just to themselves, but to other brothers who are locked 1:20:35.479 --> 1:20:38.880 up right next to them in jails all across this nation, 1:20:39.000 --> 1:20:43.920 in prisons nation, federally and locally. Um. And we know 1:20:44.200 --> 1:20:50.000 that we know that the crime of unjustly convicting men 1:20:50.320 --> 1:20:54.559 of color, and particularly again black men, is big business. 1:20:54.640 --> 1:20:58.000 People are making money off this, and so therefore, you know, 1:20:58.080 --> 1:21:00.880 why would a system you I had a family member 1:21:00.880 --> 1:21:03.160 telling me one day when we were talking about the 1:21:03.360 --> 1:21:06.920 campaign the closed Rikers Island in New York City, um, 1:21:07.040 --> 1:21:10.320 and that this particular family member is a correctional officer 1:21:10.479 --> 1:21:13.680 has now retired what was there in the system for 1:21:13.760 --> 1:21:16.120 many years. And when I was saying, you know, and 1:21:16.160 --> 1:21:19.559 this was just a conversation two years ago, I was saying, 1:21:19.560 --> 1:21:22.280 you know, they gotta close the jail because too many 1:21:22.320 --> 1:21:25.240 people are dying. Which, by the way, since that conversation 1:21:25.320 --> 1:21:31.120 two years ago, we've had tremendous death people. Wows. It's since, 1:21:31.160 --> 1:21:36.120 you know, since for the last few years. And so um. 1:21:36.280 --> 1:21:39.479 She says to me, well, how where am I gonna work? 1:21:40.240 --> 1:21:43.599 You know where? What? Where will we get jobs? And 1:21:43.920 --> 1:21:46.840 it took a while for her to sit with in 1:21:47.000 --> 1:21:50.479 process and come back to me and say damn, because 1:21:50.479 --> 1:21:53.519 she is an advocate, right, she does believe in this 1:21:53.760 --> 1:21:56.560 justice in the system. She is one of those or 1:21:56.760 --> 1:22:01.080 was an officer who tried to help in Carson rated individuals. 1:22:01.280 --> 1:22:04.360 So she was not she was she didn't realize how 1:22:04.400 --> 1:22:09.120 institutionalized she was. That this is business. This is about money. 1:22:09.280 --> 1:22:12.040 So if you close the prison, or if you allow 1:22:12.200 --> 1:22:15.400 those people who have not committed crimes, those people who 1:22:15.439 --> 1:22:18.599 are innocent, to go home, then where are you going 1:22:18.680 --> 1:22:22.400 to get the resources to keep this business operating? That 1:22:22.479 --> 1:22:25.960 keeps phone operators on the d m V system in 1:22:26.040 --> 1:22:30.720 some states. Uh, That makes police uniforms, card parts uh. 1:22:30.760 --> 1:22:36.120 And moreover, that provides jobs and also contracts for so 1:22:36.160 --> 1:22:40.320 many including what is the our mark um making the 1:22:40.439 --> 1:22:43.799 uniforms and the food. I mean, there's so much business 1:22:43.800 --> 1:22:46.280 coming out of prisons, and we are the collateral. And 1:22:46.360 --> 1:22:48.680 the interesting thing about it as I sit and I 1:22:48.840 --> 1:22:52.280 listened to you, and then also just coming off of 1:22:52.320 --> 1:22:55.599 a time of quanza, and you know, we're just coming 1:22:55.640 --> 1:22:58.360 off of a time where we should be reflecting. Right. 1:22:58.760 --> 1:23:03.200 We've always been a part of the chattel slavery right mentality, 1:23:03.400 --> 1:23:06.880 and this is what continues to happen today. In fact, 1:23:07.200 --> 1:23:11.840 even the invasion of our land in Africa was all 1:23:11.920 --> 1:23:17.000 about currency. It was all about using black bodies to 1:23:17.320 --> 1:23:21.680 build and to be the currency and the foundation of 1:23:21.800 --> 1:23:25.800 white wealth. UH. And of the power structure of now 1:23:26.080 --> 1:23:29.400 the American government, but there were other governments prior to 1:23:29.479 --> 1:23:33.439 this who have taken advantage of us. And so, you know, 1:23:33.600 --> 1:23:36.520 I agree with you that we've got to educate ourselves. 1:23:36.600 --> 1:23:40.000 We've got to be educated outside of Hookie shouldn't be 1:23:40.040 --> 1:23:43.080 locked up. We've got to know why Hookie is locked 1:23:43.160 --> 1:23:45.320 up and what this system looks like and where that 1:23:45.400 --> 1:23:48.439 comes from. So, you know, that's my my soapbox for 1:23:48.479 --> 1:23:51.759 the day. Thank you for listening to my ted talk um, 1:23:51.800 --> 1:23:56.559 but I appreciate you coming and you know and and 1:23:56.680 --> 1:24:00.759 sharing with us this story of these two brothers, Terrence 1:24:00.800 --> 1:24:04.400 and Pharran, who need to be free. You know, it's 1:24:04.520 --> 1:24:07.000 very clear. And I think that even though I don't 1:24:07.040 --> 1:24:12.200 know you well, I believe just from Shaka being our brother, 1:24:12.720 --> 1:24:16.479 listening to you today, uh, that you wouldn't even be 1:24:16.560 --> 1:24:20.000 involved in this situation if you did not know one 1:24:21.040 --> 1:24:24.439 that these brothers should be free. And that's enough for 1:24:24.479 --> 1:24:26.640 me to feel like we should do all that we 1:24:26.720 --> 1:24:29.280 can to help advocate for you. And the last thing 1:24:29.320 --> 1:24:33.599 I will say is that the clemency piece is important. Right, Um, 1:24:33.680 --> 1:24:36.200 there was so much drama my son and I have 1:24:36.320 --> 1:24:40.080 been involved in Instagram and and well my son does Twitter. 1:24:40.120 --> 1:24:44.679 I wouldn't open Twitter. Every time I open it, I'm traumatized. Um, 1:24:44.720 --> 1:24:47.719 but just just the smell of Twitter or someone saying 1:24:47.760 --> 1:24:50.320 it makes me sick. But we've been involved in these 1:24:50.360 --> 1:24:54.080 online wars about Brittany grind and coming home. And one 1:24:54.120 --> 1:24:56.800 of the things that uh, you know, we have had 1:24:56.840 --> 1:25:00.000 to say to those even our own brothers and sisters 1:25:00.120 --> 1:25:04.839 that question Britney's return and how she was the trade 1:25:04.880 --> 1:25:08.519 that was done in order to get her free is um, 1:25:08.560 --> 1:25:11.880 you know people. Basically, what I've had to say is 1:25:11.920 --> 1:25:14.840 that we as black women have done business with the 1:25:14.880 --> 1:25:21.599 Biden administration. Right. We voted for this administration ninety four 1:25:21.720 --> 1:25:27.599 plus percent and have continuously bailed out the Democrats from 1:25:27.600 --> 1:25:31.599 from Warno twice. Um, maybe even more than that, because 1:25:31.800 --> 1:25:34.559 somewhere they told me warn this is his fifth election. 1:25:34.680 --> 1:25:37.599 I don't know when that happened. But nonetheless, there's been 1:25:37.640 --> 1:25:41.720 at least two big runoff situations that we have had 1:25:41.760 --> 1:25:45.040 to go into Georgia from the activist level to black 1:25:45.080 --> 1:25:49.479 women and then voting for the that candidate. And there's 1:25:49.520 --> 1:25:53.760 been so many races around the country. So we deserved 1:25:54.160 --> 1:25:57.599 Brittany grinder to get free because we said so. So 1:25:57.680 --> 1:26:01.759 the the pardon or sentence come mutation that you're talking about, 1:26:02.120 --> 1:26:05.240 we also should be demanding that in the same way. 1:26:05.720 --> 1:26:08.880 It is not to say Brittany shouldn't be free. What 1:26:08.960 --> 1:26:11.559 it does mean, though, is because we did business with 1:26:11.640 --> 1:26:14.760 the administration and we see that it works, we know 1:26:14.960 --> 1:26:17.760 there's a presidential election coming up, then we ought to 1:26:17.760 --> 1:26:21.320 be exploiting that relationship the same way that they're trying 1:26:21.320 --> 1:26:24.599 to exploit us. We should be doing the same thing 1:26:24.880 --> 1:26:28.760 because this is about American business. And I think that's 1:26:28.840 --> 1:26:31.439 the mindset. The mind frame is how do we use 1:26:31.840 --> 1:26:35.240 the grinder model that they knew they could not leave 1:26:35.280 --> 1:26:39.200 a black woman in jail and or in Russia and 1:26:39.240 --> 1:26:42.400 then still with the elections and come to us demanding 1:26:42.439 --> 1:26:45.000 stuff they knew they couldn't do that, and we need 1:26:45.040 --> 1:26:48.320 to be demanding the same on the other side and 1:26:48.320 --> 1:26:51.000 with other issues. And so, you know, I think that 1:26:51.000 --> 1:26:53.240 that's got to be the message that we're sharing with 1:26:53.280 --> 1:26:56.200 our brothers and sisters who are in community that need to, 1:26:56.680 --> 1:26:59.599 you know, be activated to help with what you're going on. 1:27:00.080 --> 1:27:02.799 And I hold a little you said that, so well, 1:27:03.720 --> 1:27:06.880 I'm just piggyback and at this point, we gotta get 1:27:06.960 --> 1:27:09.800 something for our support. And this to go to your point, 1:27:09.880 --> 1:27:13.400 I just talked with with for RAN's dad and he 1:27:13.600 --> 1:27:17.639 was like, look, why hasn't the Black Caucus in Virginia 1:27:18.880 --> 1:27:23.240 and supported you? He like every time I go there, 1:27:23.680 --> 1:27:26.160 you know, he reminded me of like my grandfather. You know, 1:27:26.200 --> 1:27:27.720 he tried to roll up a couple of dollars and 1:27:27.800 --> 1:27:31.080 stick it in my hand. I'm like, look, thank you, Dad, Like, man, 1:27:31.120 --> 1:27:32.920 let me look, we got it. Man. He like, but 1:27:32.960 --> 1:27:35.320 I don't understand why they ain't help you. And I'll 1:27:35.320 --> 1:27:40.240 just say this. This is a family historically years all 1:27:40.240 --> 1:27:44.240 of their life, they've been told going that booth, punch blue, 1:27:44.439 --> 1:27:48.559 don't matter who behind it, told their grandkids, told all 1:27:48.600 --> 1:27:52.439 of their friends. And they've done that and now here 1:27:52.479 --> 1:27:55.720 they are right. They have the support of a Democratic 1:27:55.720 --> 1:27:58.840 Attorney general who said they're innocent, they should be out 1:27:59.439 --> 1:28:01.599 a republic. Look, he comes in and said, I don't 1:28:01.640 --> 1:28:03.960 care if they're innocent. I'm gonna leave with me. And 1:28:04.000 --> 1:28:06.160 just because I don't like the Democrat who wanted to 1:28:06.240 --> 1:28:11.519 mount Melta Harris Joe Biden, this one on, y'all, we 1:28:11.640 --> 1:28:15.200 need you Terence. If Ron needs you, you don't have 1:28:15.240 --> 1:28:20.439 to exchange nothing at all. Just signed the pardon and 1:28:20.520 --> 1:28:26.360 commute their sentence today. They deserve it. You want to 1:28:26.360 --> 1:28:28.679 say that, I just want to ask one more simple question. 1:28:29.360 --> 1:28:32.439 How long were you incarcerated before you were exonorate? So 1:28:32.479 --> 1:28:34.920 I did ten years in prison. I did almost ten 1:28:35.000 --> 1:28:38.160 years in prison. I was a baby man, I was 1:28:38.200 --> 1:28:41.440 a baby. Then I I sat there and I expected 1:28:42.080 --> 1:28:44.800 the same results in my case, because I know we 1:28:44.840 --> 1:28:47.040 didn't do nothing that I would see on law and 1:28:47.200 --> 1:28:50.840 ordering up now I don't. I don't. I come from 1:28:50.880 --> 1:28:54.960 a very rough neighborhood in Chicago, but my grandmother was 1:28:55.000 --> 1:28:58.400 even rougher. She didn't play that right, and so we 1:28:58.560 --> 1:29:03.200 stayed out the waiting. So when this this allegation against 1:29:03.200 --> 1:29:05.439 me came, my family knew it. They knew what time 1:29:05.520 --> 1:29:08.599 it was. But they also knew this. They also knew 1:29:09.200 --> 1:29:12.200 that I didn't know what I was up against because 1:29:12.200 --> 1:29:14.559 they kept me on the porch talking my life right. 1:29:14.920 --> 1:29:17.759 So when this happened, they knew what was about to happen. 1:29:17.880 --> 1:29:19.840 I didn't know. I thought all I had to be 1:29:20.040 --> 1:29:22.840 was innocent, and that was another So when I went 1:29:22.880 --> 1:29:26.320 through this, for those ten years and I'm writing all 1:29:26.320 --> 1:29:28.759 these people, and I come home and I'm being here. 1:29:29.000 --> 1:29:31.320 You ever came home and been introduced to your niece 1:29:31.520 --> 1:29:35.720 or your nephew, You know how difficult that is. You 1:29:35.800 --> 1:29:38.200 know how many brothers come home and they got to 1:29:38.280 --> 1:29:41.360 look through picture albums. I'm looking through a picture album 1:29:41.400 --> 1:29:46.280 one day and I'm flipping through the pictures, my baby, pictures, 1:29:47.280 --> 1:29:51.280 eighth grade, high school. I don't see another picture for 1:29:51.360 --> 1:29:54.320 teen years later in that album. That's what I'm doing. 1:29:54.360 --> 1:29:57.400 What I'm doing, I know exactly what it's like. M 1:30:01.040 --> 1:30:05.920 that's that's that's heartfelt and passionate, and you know, I 1:30:06.600 --> 1:30:11.280 definitely understand that. I understand that I felt that. So 1:30:11.320 --> 1:30:12.960 I just want to say thank you for the work 1:30:13.000 --> 1:30:17.519 that you're doing and whatever you can, whatever we can do, 1:30:18.240 --> 1:30:21.720 you know, as individuals, as you know this podcast, as 1:30:21.720 --> 1:30:25.639 our organization, whatever we can do, we definitely are here 1:30:25.680 --> 1:30:28.200 for you. Now. You're one of our friends. That's going 1:30:28.400 --> 1:30:31.439 going going, you know joke, we said, everybody here is 1:30:31.439 --> 1:30:34.320 our friend, and you know you're definitely are now one 1:30:34.320 --> 1:30:37.080 of our friends. So please make sure that you utilize 1:30:37.160 --> 1:30:41.080 us whatever situation that you have man and continue to 1:30:41.120 --> 1:30:43.360 do the work because it's God's work that you're doing. 1:30:43.880 --> 1:30:47.160 You know, sometime we turn our pain into our purpose 1:30:47.240 --> 1:30:50.040 and our passion, and that's what is I see that 1:30:50.120 --> 1:30:53.479 you've done. So we salute you. I appreciate you in 1:30:53.479 --> 1:30:55.960 the same applies here as well. Look, they are a 1:30:56.000 --> 1:30:59.000 lot of people who jump on um and give you 1:30:59.080 --> 1:31:01.599 their version of what the law is and and and 1:31:01.640 --> 1:31:04.040 stuff like that. I probmise if you, guys ever send 1:31:04.080 --> 1:31:06.400 you an email with a question from the fan base 1:31:06.520 --> 1:31:10.360 who wants to know what true legally supported answer to 1:31:10.439 --> 1:31:13.120 what's going on in court and out. I got y'all. 1:31:14.320 --> 1:31:19.320 Attorney Attorney Jared Adams, thank you so much for joining 1:31:19.400 --> 1:31:24.200 street politicians. We appreciate you such an insightful interview today 1:31:24.560 --> 1:31:26.920 and you know you certainly, as my son said, can 1:31:27.000 --> 1:31:30.400 utilize us and counting us for our support. Thank you, guys, 1:31:30.760 --> 1:31:32.880 continue to do what you're doing. We need you all voice. 1:31:32.920 --> 1:31:40.400 Thank you, Thank you. I don't know if you say 1:31:40.520 --> 1:31:43.680 good interview, because even though he's great in terms of 1:31:43.720 --> 1:31:46.280 how he explains it, and you said it right that 1:31:46.360 --> 1:31:48.920 he has a lot of passion, you know clearly his 1:31:49.040 --> 1:31:51.920 own circumstances. It was a great question that you asked 1:31:52.040 --> 1:31:54.559 how long he had been, uh in prison because for 1:31:54.640 --> 1:31:57.160 some reason in my mind, I thought maybe two years 1:31:57.240 --> 1:32:01.160 or three years. For ten years, that's a long time, uh, 1:32:01.200 --> 1:32:03.639 you know, to have served. It's so many people, it's 1:32:03.680 --> 1:32:06.720 just so so such a sad thing that it's not 1:32:06.800 --> 1:32:10.719 just sad, it's maddening. Um. You know, it's it's it's 1:32:10.720 --> 1:32:14.599 a crime, it's an in humane it's in humanity, it's 1:32:14.680 --> 1:32:17.639 it's so many things. The amount of people who had 1:32:17.760 --> 1:32:20.200 his story who ten years would have been a cake 1:32:20.280 --> 1:32:22.200 walk for them in terms of what they are doing 1:32:22.280 --> 1:32:25.639 now thirty forty years, you know, and you know all 1:32:25.680 --> 1:32:28.240 the people that we do see getting coming home. I just, 1:32:28.600 --> 1:32:31.719 you know, something in my spirit wants to say that 1:32:32.200 --> 1:32:35.800 or wants to use this as a moment to remember 1:32:36.479 --> 1:32:43.760 the make great Kenneth Thompson, our dear system Sean Thompson's husband. Uh. 1:32:43.800 --> 1:32:46.880 He was the district Attorney in Brooklyn, and even though 1:32:46.920 --> 1:32:50.960 we didn't always agree on different issues, one thing we 1:32:51.280 --> 1:32:58.599 always always always appreciated about Ken Thompson was his thirst 1:32:59.080 --> 1:33:05.120 for freedom and for exoneration. From the day he took 1:33:05.200 --> 1:33:10.360 office until he he died. He was getting people free 1:33:10.920 --> 1:33:14.519 and the good people like him. Just I don't know 1:33:14.600 --> 1:33:16.960 what happens. It's like they don't live long, you know. 1:33:17.160 --> 1:33:20.960 He was that was his big first and passion was 1:33:21.000 --> 1:33:25.280 to get people free. He is known for exonerating so many, 1:33:26.080 --> 1:33:31.559 especially brothers of course of different black backgrounds, also in Brooklyn, 1:33:32.240 --> 1:33:35.920 after his predecessor had a whole lot of people locked 1:33:35.960 --> 1:33:38.840 up for primes they didn't commit. So, you know, I 1:33:39.280 --> 1:33:43.960 just I want to see the work of Jarrett Attorney 1:33:44.000 --> 1:33:49.400 Adams and the Innocence Project and Brian Stephenson and you 1:33:49.439 --> 1:33:52.519 know so many who do that work every day, that 1:33:52.520 --> 1:33:57.280 that that work would just be multiplied, definitely. Man, just 1:33:57.760 --> 1:34:00.200 hearing him, he reminded me so much of myself, health 1:34:00.320 --> 1:34:03.799 and passion that I have for just you know, saving 1:34:03.800 --> 1:34:07.320 our people and and and just paying your part. You know, 1:34:07.360 --> 1:34:11.519 after you've been incarcerated, especially willfully accused and incarcerated, you 1:34:11.600 --> 1:34:14.320 have this passion to want to make sure it doesn't 1:34:14.360 --> 1:34:17.559 happen again. You know. So he utilized his time. You know, 1:34:17.600 --> 1:34:19.240 he didn't a lot of time to do him. He 1:34:19.280 --> 1:34:22.439 did the time, and he educated itself and now he's 1:34:22.520 --> 1:34:25.320 able to serve to make sure that what happened to 1:34:25.400 --> 1:34:28.840 him doesn't happen to anybody. Else. So I once again 1:34:28.880 --> 1:34:31.719 I want to say thank you to him, and thank 1:34:31.760 --> 1:34:36.000 you to my brother Shakra for saying, you gotta you 1:34:36.120 --> 1:34:38.439 need to meet this guy, and you guys need to 1:34:38.479 --> 1:34:40.800 talk to him. So shout out to both of them 1:34:41.479 --> 1:34:50.120 that reached me to my I don't get it, you know, 1:34:50.160 --> 1:34:52.280 it was It's been a little time, but I didn't 1:34:52.280 --> 1:34:56.400 really hear anybody talk much about this whole Skip Bayless 1:34:56.880 --> 1:35:03.120 and Demorrow Hamling situation. I don't get how it was 1:35:03.160 --> 1:35:06.439 pretty much just glossed over, you know. And I you 1:35:06.439 --> 1:35:08.000 know a lot of people say, oh, you always want 1:35:08.000 --> 1:35:10.240 to race Bason. I just it's not so much race 1:35:10.280 --> 1:35:13.400 baiting for me, it's just understanding the dynamics that black 1:35:13.439 --> 1:35:17.320 people have to do. I watched Kyrie get hammered about 1:35:17.320 --> 1:35:20.400 the situation that something that he didn't even say, you know, 1:35:21.040 --> 1:35:26.800 something reposed. I watched black athletes, I watched black you know, entertainers. 1:35:26.840 --> 1:35:33.280 I watched black people period who have platforms be hammered 1:35:33.880 --> 1:35:36.599 about things that they say or things that they're even 1:35:36.680 --> 1:35:41.240 attached to. And to watch Skip Baylor's make that tweet 1:35:41.360 --> 1:35:45.000 which was so insensitive while a man was on the 1:35:45.040 --> 1:35:49.360 field being resuscitated, being brought back to life, who's heart 1:35:49.439 --> 1:35:51.719 damn and stopped on the field and him talk about 1:35:51.960 --> 1:35:56.599 just play the game, you know, and knowing that if 1:35:56.680 --> 1:35:58.760 a black man had said that same thing, there would 1:35:58.760 --> 1:36:02.320 have been consequences, every percussions. I just don't get how 1:36:02.920 --> 1:36:05.800 we continue to allow things like that. I don't understand 1:36:05.800 --> 1:36:11.240 how the world wasn't way way more critical. You know. 1:36:11.320 --> 1:36:16.439 I didn't hear any direct apology come from just you know, 1:36:16.640 --> 1:36:20.120 the network people that he worked with. I didn't see 1:36:20.120 --> 1:36:24.760 any consequences. There wasn't no suspension, There wasn't no maybe 1:36:24.800 --> 1:36:27.160 a couple of days off, you know, based on what 1:36:27.240 --> 1:36:30.960 he said. We understand how it affected the family, the 1:36:31.000 --> 1:36:34.880 community that the fans of football, you know, and and 1:36:34.880 --> 1:36:36.600 and it did. It hurt a lot of people, a 1:36:36.640 --> 1:36:38.479 lot of people, like you know what I said, The 1:36:38.600 --> 1:36:43.040 people were harmed, you know. And I didn't see any 1:36:43.320 --> 1:36:45.600 any consequences for And I just don't get that. I 1:36:45.600 --> 1:36:50.960 don't I don't get why it's so clear that there 1:36:51.240 --> 1:36:56.320 is bias in America and everything that has to do 1:36:56.360 --> 1:36:59.320 with you know, black and white and and people of 1:36:59.360 --> 1:37:02.720 color and white people who are in the same positions, 1:37:03.000 --> 1:37:05.680 But yet we act like it's not, you know, and 1:37:05.760 --> 1:37:09.640 we we even as black people, we normalize, right we 1:37:09.720 --> 1:37:13.519 we we've normalize the fact that white people can say 1:37:13.560 --> 1:37:15.519 things and get away with things that we can't, and 1:37:15.560 --> 1:37:19.280 we just call it, you know, business as usual, you know. 1:37:19.520 --> 1:37:22.920 And I think just just looking at that situation and 1:37:22.960 --> 1:37:26.960 then his response, you know, as sharing the shop, you know, 1:37:27.960 --> 1:37:30.200 with the hope that he would take the tweet down 1:37:30.960 --> 1:37:34.639 and the insensitivity of him saying he's not gonna take 1:37:34.640 --> 1:37:36.559 it to run down because he met what he said, 1:37:37.160 --> 1:37:41.360 you know, just standing firm, wrong and strong, and to 1:37:41.439 --> 1:37:43.880 know that you can still go see that tweet and 1:37:43.960 --> 1:37:46.679 you can see that a man was way more interested 1:37:47.439 --> 1:37:52.080 and the game continuing than the actual person who was 1:37:52.120 --> 1:37:54.880 fighting for his life, you know, and and him to 1:37:55.000 --> 1:37:58.559 stand by that and people that he worked for, you know, 1:37:59.120 --> 1:38:03.360 in a in a in the organization speaking about the organization, 1:38:03.360 --> 1:38:07.240 why the NFL didn't see that the call on him 1:38:07.320 --> 1:38:09.479 to do something, you know, it's just so many different 1:38:09.840 --> 1:38:12.960 aspects you know that I really just don't get. But 1:38:13.800 --> 1:38:15.600 you know, I do get it, but I don't get it, 1:38:16.080 --> 1:38:18.720 you know, and I just it was it bothers me. 1:38:19.200 --> 1:38:23.200 It bothers me that our lives, you know, are not 1:38:23.360 --> 1:38:28.000 taking serious. It's not value as much as everybody else's. 1:38:28.040 --> 1:38:30.800 So I'm always gonna say something about it, and people going, oh, 1:38:30.840 --> 1:38:33.320 you wanna right, No, I want to tell the truth. 1:38:33.800 --> 1:38:35.519 I don't have a problem telling the truth, and I 1:38:35.520 --> 1:38:38.439 don't care what comes with the truth. But you know 1:38:38.560 --> 1:38:42.600 that that tweet was insensitive, you know, and his response 1:38:42.920 --> 1:38:46.160 to Shannon for hoping that he would take the tweet 1:38:46.160 --> 1:38:50.040 down was even more insensitive, you know. And I think 1:38:50.040 --> 1:38:52.400 there should have been some level consequence. I'm not saying 1:38:52.560 --> 1:38:54.559 he firing man, but there should have been some level 1:38:54.560 --> 1:38:58.960 of suspension and some you know, some level of making 1:38:59.080 --> 1:39:03.600 him be held accountable for seeing something with the platform 1:39:03.640 --> 1:39:07.040 as big as his that was detrimental and it was 1:39:07.120 --> 1:39:11.200 harmful to people. I mean, one thing I will say 1:39:11.280 --> 1:39:13.639 is that I don't know much about this topic because 1:39:13.680 --> 1:39:17.519 obviously the only reason why I, um, you don't even 1:39:17.600 --> 1:39:19.920 knew what was happening was because because of all the 1:39:20.000 --> 1:39:23.800 social media, and it wasn't even um and which I 1:39:23.800 --> 1:39:26.839 think is part of your point. It wasn't even the incident. 1:39:26.920 --> 1:39:32.519 I learned of the incident second to the Skip Bayless tweet, 1:39:32.680 --> 1:39:36.320 like it was more out there in terms of Dio hugely, 1:39:36.600 --> 1:39:40.000 and Matt Barnes and you know, the list goes on 1:39:40.439 --> 1:39:44.680 of individual saying Skip was disgusting for what he tweeted. 1:39:45.040 --> 1:39:48.599 And then after that I actually saw what it was about, 1:39:48.720 --> 1:39:51.160 right because I'm obviously sort of not in the sports 1:39:51.200 --> 1:39:54.680 roof and um and you know, I wasn't as consuming 1:39:54.720 --> 1:39:58.280 as much social media during this time, but I did 1:39:58.439 --> 1:40:04.040 see a lot of people, especially black men, saying that 1:40:04.640 --> 1:40:08.400 his tweet was insensitive, wrong time. In all of that, 1:40:08.920 --> 1:40:11.320 um And I think you're right. I think a lot 1:40:11.400 --> 1:40:17.599 more people who jump to call for black folks to uh, 1:40:17.640 --> 1:40:25.800 you know, apologize, correct atone, repent, bow down. There's so 1:40:25.840 --> 1:40:29.080 many things that you know, we are are are called 1:40:29.120 --> 1:40:36.480 to do whenever I would keep whenever someone is accused 1:40:36.640 --> 1:40:41.439 of harming any other community. Um And I think that 1:40:41.520 --> 1:40:44.479 it's a testament which we talk about all the time, 1:40:45.200 --> 1:40:50.519 to the unity of that community, right and black folks 1:40:50.560 --> 1:40:54.360 have to have the same that we will all or 1:40:54.439 --> 1:40:57.200 not all of us in terms of every single person, 1:40:57.520 --> 1:40:59.920 but that there will be a majority of the major 1:41:00.000 --> 1:41:05.040 are who will say no, and we'll push back together 1:41:05.479 --> 1:41:08.800 because once we do that, we force people to have 1:41:08.920 --> 1:41:12.120 to respect us the same way that other communities, um 1:41:12.200 --> 1:41:16.759 have have really been able to accomplish, which is something 1:41:16.880 --> 1:41:20.439 it's not something for us to uh be upset about. 1:41:20.520 --> 1:41:24.120 We should actually use it as inspiration for what we 1:41:24.160 --> 1:41:27.320 should be doing as a community as well. UM. And 1:41:27.360 --> 1:41:30.720 so you know, hopefully that's that is the message that 1:41:30.840 --> 1:41:33.120 sort of comes out of all of this is how 1:41:33.120 --> 1:41:36.320 do we get to the point as a people where 1:41:36.600 --> 1:41:40.040 he can't even be on TV without not just a 1:41:40.040 --> 1:41:44.040 full apology, but certainly removing the tweet, right, because if 1:41:44.080 --> 1:41:47.200 you're there, then we as a people will hurt your 1:41:47.280 --> 1:41:51.679 numbers by not watching your network, and that particular show 1:41:51.760 --> 1:41:55.960 will lose ratings and also any responses they have will 1:41:56.000 --> 1:42:01.240 be will receive uh letters of demand, calls and everything. 1:42:01.240 --> 1:42:06.080 Because there is a way to force people, unfortunately into 1:42:06.920 --> 1:42:09.240 doing what is right. I don't want to say submission, 1:42:09.240 --> 1:42:11.479 because we certainly don't like when it feels like that 1:42:11.640 --> 1:42:14.760 for us, but certainly force them into doing what's right 1:42:15.080 --> 1:42:18.840 or force them to have to exist stage left. And 1:42:18.880 --> 1:42:22.759 so hopefully that's what we learned from this whole ordeal. 1:42:22.920 --> 1:42:27.120 And thank god, uh the young man is doing better. Uh, 1:42:27.160 --> 1:42:31.400 you know, smiling has his faculties, he's alive, he's talking. 1:42:31.800 --> 1:42:35.760 That's really really like whoa, because I just I mean, 1:42:35.800 --> 1:42:39.000 after what I saw, I just didn't know that he 1:42:39.080 --> 1:42:42.120 was gonna make it. Yeah it was. It was rough 1:42:42.200 --> 1:42:44.320 Man and it was. And I think that's even more 1:42:44.800 --> 1:42:47.000 the reason why I just think, you know, we as 1:42:47.000 --> 1:42:52.200 a community, we as people just good moral fiber and 1:42:52.200 --> 1:42:54.840 and people of integrity, should just you know, say hey, 1:42:54.920 --> 1:42:58.040 Skip that that tweet needs to come down, so you 1:42:58.080 --> 1:43:00.479 know that that's something that I would like to see. 1:43:00.479 --> 1:43:03.880 I would like to see us being together as a community. 1:43:04.240 --> 1:43:07.519 And that's just people just a good, good, good heart 1:43:08.360 --> 1:43:12.280 saying that the treets should come down. And with that said, 1:43:13.000 --> 1:43:16.519 we come to the end of another episode of the 1:43:16.600 --> 1:43:20.160 number one podcast in the world. Street Politicians Probably make 1:43:20.200 --> 1:43:23.559 sure that you tune in. We appreciate you guys. 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It's not the first yet, but 1:45:10.680 --> 1:45:13.760 it is becoming that and so so many more of 1:45:13.880 --> 1:45:17.360 us need to turn podcasts on and listen to great 1:45:17.400 --> 1:45:21.839 content of all sorts on Black Effect Network. Podcast network 1:45:21.880 --> 1:45:24.920 has so many different types of podcasts. They've got the 1:45:24.920 --> 1:45:30.040 gossip girls, they've got the people talk about sex, hip hop, sports, um, 1:45:30.120 --> 1:45:35.080 the culture, politics, um, you know, all kinds of issues. 1:45:35.479 --> 1:45:39.720 And you could just literally pop on a podcast and 1:45:39.840 --> 1:45:43.200 listen while you're cleaning up, while you're you know, in 1:45:43.240 --> 1:45:46.479 your car. And so please look at podcasts as a 1:45:46.560 --> 1:45:50.240 form of information because there's so much and there's so 1:45:50.280 --> 1:45:52.479 many good ones. 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