WEBVTT - Should You Be Cooking Your Food Underground?

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Part Time Genius, the production of Kaleidoscope

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<v Speaker 1>and iHeartRadio. Guess what Will? What's that mango? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>know what a food mummy is?

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<v Speaker 2>You mean, like yummy mummy, the character who hangs out

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<v Speaker 2>with Count Chocolate.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's a pretty good guess. But food mummies

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<v Speaker 1>or victual mummies are ancient meals that have been found

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<v Speaker 1>preserved in tombs alongside Egyptian pharaohs and their families. Like

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<v Speaker 1>ancient meals, so like mummified wheat and figs.

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<v Speaker 3>What are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>So for plant based foods like grains, fruits, and honey,

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<v Speaker 1>the Egyptians packed them into baskets or ceramic jars, and

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<v Speaker 1>while remnants of those foods have been found in tombs,

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<v Speaker 1>most of the perishable food decomposed a long long time ago.

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<v Speaker 1>But this was completely different for meat and poultry preserved

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<v Speaker 1>for the afterlife. Every cut of beef for gamebird was

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<v Speaker 1>given the same mummification process that was used on human

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<v Speaker 1>royals and their animal pets. So first the foods were

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<v Speaker 1>slowly dry with salt, and then they were wrapped in

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<v Speaker 1>strips of linens and coated with the mixture of resins

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<v Speaker 1>to keep out moisture and prevent decomposition. And lastly, the

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<v Speaker 1>mummified meats were packed into little wooden sarcopha guys, some

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<v Speaker 1>of which were even carved into the shape of their contents,

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<v Speaker 1>so you might find a leg of veal or a

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<v Speaker 1>shoulder of antelope in something shaped like that. I have

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<v Speaker 1>to ask, like, what was the goal with all of this? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>as I'm sure you know, the whole point of human

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<v Speaker 1>mummification was to prepare the body for the afterlife, So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's so that a person's soul could recognize

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<v Speaker 1>the body and continue using it forever. But the Egyptians

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<v Speaker 1>also applied the same principle to whatever else a person

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<v Speaker 1>was late to rest with. So if you buried someone

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<v Speaker 1>with a bunch of treasure, then they would have an

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<v Speaker 1>endless supply of wealth to spend in the afterlife. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you bury them with their favorite foods, they would

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<v Speaker 1>have something delicious to nibble on for all of eternity.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess in their minds they were kind of

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<v Speaker 1>stalking the pharaoh's eternal pantry with all his favorite goodies exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And because of that practice, archaeologists are now digging up

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<v Speaker 1>four thousand years old cuts of beef, many of which

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<v Speaker 1>look surprisingly good for their age.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, could somebody actually still eat one of those meat mummies?

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<v Speaker 2>Mummified beef should technically still be edible, but so far,

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<v Speaker 2>no one's had the chance or maybe the courage, to

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<v Speaker 2>try it. Right, those kinds of food artifacts are kept

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<v Speaker 2>almost exclusively in climate control display cases at museums and

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<v Speaker 2>research centers, where guests are pretty strongly encouraged to look

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<v Speaker 2>but not taste. The other thing is that, like if

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<v Speaker 2>the Egyptians were right, eating that old beef could make

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<v Speaker 2>the pharaoh's ghost meat disappear from his table mid dinner party,

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<v Speaker 2>and who would want to do that? But the good

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<v Speaker 2>news is that the ancient Egyptians weren't the only ones

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<v Speaker 2>to discover the wonders of underground food storage. Cultures around

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<v Speaker 2>the world have been preserving, curing, and even cooking foods

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<v Speaker 2>beneath the soil, and many of those techniques are still

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<v Speaker 2>in use today, from bog butter to Peruvian barbecue, and

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<v Speaker 2>today's episode is all about shining a light on those

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<v Speaker 2>buried food traditions. So grab your shovels and four and

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<v Speaker 2>get ready to chow down on the best underground cuisines. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>their podcast listeners, Welcome to part time Genius. I'm Will

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<v Speaker 2>Pearson and as always I'm joined by my good friend

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<v Speaker 2>mangesh Hot Ticketer. And on the other side of that

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<v Speaker 2>soundproof glass, just chomping his way through a smorgash board

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<v Speaker 2>of freshly dug root vegetables. That's our friend and producer

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<v Speaker 2>Dylan fag And now, as always, he goes above and

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<v Speaker 2>beyond with these things, because he's not only got the

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<v Speaker 2>spread with carrots and beets and sweet potatoes. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I see a few radishes in there.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty proud of him.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and is that a turnip for a rootabaga?

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<v Speaker 2>That's an onion mango, So brush up on your veggies.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think you just wanted to say the word Rudebagah.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty sure that's what's got it in twice.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's talk a little bit about the practice of

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<v Speaker 2>burying food, which of course started as a way to

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<v Speaker 2>keep it from spoiling. According to the National Center for

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<v Speaker 2>Home Food Preservation, the earliest technique for preserving food was

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<v Speaker 2>most likely drying it in the sun. That's a process

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<v Speaker 2>that's thought to have been developed by accident during the

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<v Speaker 2>stone age.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I can definitely see that. Like some guy forgets

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<v Speaker 1>about the mammet steaks he left out on his rock yep,

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<v Speaker 1>he comes back the next day, he finds him dried

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<v Speaker 1>out and decides to eat him anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that is kind of exactly what would have happened,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's easy to imagine that our ancestors and colder

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<v Speaker 2>climates may have stumbled upon the freezing.

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<v Speaker 3>Method in much the same way.

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<v Speaker 2>So somebody forgets about a stash of food, finds it

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<v Speaker 2>in the debt of winter, thaws it out, and finds

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<v Speaker 2>that it still tastes just as good as it was

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<v Speaker 2>when it was fresh. And so basically there were discoveries

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<v Speaker 2>of culinary carelessness. So some random Neanderthals were bad at

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<v Speaker 2>resource management and desperate enough to eat something that might

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<v Speaker 2>have killed them. But without those mistakes, there's a strong

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<v Speaker 2>chance that human civilization wouldn't exist today.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the ability to preserve food through winter allowed humans

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<v Speaker 1>to plant roots and form communities instead of just endlessly

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<v Speaker 1>roaming from place to place in search of food.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, and the reason why things like drying food

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<v Speaker 2>in the sun or burying them in the ground and

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<v Speaker 2>freezing temperatures is so effective is that they both slow

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<v Speaker 2>down microbial growth. Thanks to microbes in the air, food

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<v Speaker 2>begins to spoil as soon as it's harvested, but those

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<v Speaker 2>microorganisms require moisture to carry out their cellular functions, and

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<v Speaker 2>so without that they'll either die or go dormant. So

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<v Speaker 2>whether you evaporate the moisture by drying the food in

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<v Speaker 2>the sun or turn it into ice by freezing food underground,

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<v Speaker 2>the process wipes out the microbes and slows down that

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<v Speaker 2>process of decay.

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<v Speaker 1>So I am curious though, what about food that's buried

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<v Speaker 1>in non freezing temperatures like it still contains moisture, So

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't it spoil just as fast as food above ground.

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<v Speaker 3>Well it's not just about temperature control.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a big part of it, but there are other

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<v Speaker 2>environmental factors that are at play too, namely.

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<v Speaker 3>Light and oxygen.

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<v Speaker 2>Those can trigger natural reactions between air and food molecules

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<v Speaker 2>that hasten decomposition. But when food is buried underground, the

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<v Speaker 2>exposure to air and light is much less of an issue. Additionally,

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<v Speaker 2>if the soil is dry and salty, that can also

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<v Speaker 2>help reduce the food's moisture level. Even if the ground

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<v Speaker 2>isn't cold enough to freeze.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really interesting. I do want to mention, though, that

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<v Speaker 1>under certain conditions, it is possible to preserve food underground

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<v Speaker 1>in a cool, moist environment, and the best example for

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<v Speaker 1>that that I can think of is something called bog butter.

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<v Speaker 1>Bog butter, I'm just.

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<v Speaker 3>Like saying it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so curious about this because I've definitely heard of

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<v Speaker 2>bog bodies, which are those super old preserved corpses that

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<v Speaker 2>people keep finding in European peat bogs, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how much about this bog butter.

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<v Speaker 1>Weirdly, bog bodies and bog butter are both created for

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<v Speaker 1>the same natural process, so for anyone I'm familiar at,

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<v Speaker 1>bog is a shallow kind of wetland where the ground

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<v Speaker 1>is composed of all this soft, spongy material called peat. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>peat is formed by the partial decomposition of moss and

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<v Speaker 1>other plant matter, and it's that abundance of rotting vegetation

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<v Speaker 1>that gives bogs their preservative power. They become so clogged

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<v Speaker 1>with peate that water can't flow in and out easily,

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<v Speaker 1>and that results in extremely low oxygen levels. On top

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<v Speaker 1>of that, the decomposition process makes the bogs highly acidic,

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<v Speaker 1>and because most bogs form in cold temperate climates, peat

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<v Speaker 1>bogs also have the preserving power of cool temperatures, and

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<v Speaker 1>these factors combined to create a unique environment that's good

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<v Speaker 1>for preserving things, which is how we wound up with

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<v Speaker 1>those perfectly preserved human bodies that you mentioned, most of

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<v Speaker 1>which were laid to rest way back in the Iron Age.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually it's like nearly three thousand years ago, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>also wide. People in Scotland and Ireland keep finding giant

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<v Speaker 1>wads of butter from around the same era.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, I am curious about this, Like, so is bog

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<v Speaker 2>butter actual butter?

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<v Speaker 1>It is actual ancient butter.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Some specimens are from as recent as the sixteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>but most are much older, from as far back as

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred BCE. Now, over the last decade or so,

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<v Speaker 1>bog workers in the UK have stumbled across hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>examples of bog butter. These slimy chunks of yellowish dairy

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<v Speaker 1>that are typically found wrapped in animal skins or inside

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<v Speaker 1>wooden crates even and they range and weight from about

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen pounds to well over one hundred pounds of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>So why were people dumping so much butter in their bogs?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, if they were, I just want to say that, But.

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<v Speaker 2>If they were wrapping it up, they must have wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to come back for it, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So historian instinct that locals were using the bog as

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<v Speaker 1>a natural refrigerator, and the custom clearly persisted for thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of years. And along the way, it seems that more

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<v Speaker 1>than a few people just kind of lost track of

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<v Speaker 1>their butter stash. I never found it again, So tryptocurrency

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<v Speaker 1>event happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes you just lose your butter, you know, and their

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<v Speaker 2>losses are gain I guess, but I can't imagine a

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<v Speaker 2>chunk of old, rancid butter is worth that much to

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<v Speaker 2>anyone at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So what's interesting is that, according to nat Gio,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is what I was kind of hinting at,

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<v Speaker 1>people in the area actually treated butter as a substitute

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<v Speaker 1>for cash, using it to barter or even pay their taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>So not only was the bog this big like communal refrigerator,

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<v Speaker 1>it was also people's savings accounts, which means that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>misplacing your butter was every bit as much a financial

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<v Speaker 1>loss as it was a culinary one.

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<v Speaker 3>I do love butter. I sort of get it at

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<v Speaker 3>the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, a question for you, do you leave your butter

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<v Speaker 2>out on the counter or do you keep your butter

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<v Speaker 2>on the refrigerator. I leave it on the counter, man,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so good, just the way to do it. I

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<v Speaker 2>have no idea whether it's the right thing to do,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's definitely taste here. All right, We've got much

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<v Speaker 2>more buried food to uncover. But before we do that,

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<v Speaker 2>let's take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Part Time Genius and we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the many hidden benefits of burying your food. Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>so we've looked at food burial as this really just

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<v Speaker 1>right and as a preservation method and kind of a bank.

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<v Speaker 1>But where do you want to go next.

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<v Speaker 2>With all this talk about microorganisms and temperature control. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't help but think about fermentation, which is a very

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<v Speaker 2>different approach to buried food preservation than what we've talked

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<v Speaker 2>about so far.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, so tell me a little bit about this.

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<v Speaker 3>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, instead of trying to eliminate the microbes in a food,

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<v Speaker 2>fermentation does the opposite. It spurs the growth of certain

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<v Speaker 2>bacteria and yeast and causes them to produce lactic acid,

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<v Speaker 2>which in turn alters the flavors and textures of the food.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's also what helps preserve.

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<v Speaker 2>These foods, right, that's exactly right. So all the lactic

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<v Speaker 2>acid from fermentation prevents the growth of harmful bacteria, effectively

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<v Speaker 2>preserving the food for longer. And because it's the acidic

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<v Speaker 2>environment that makes this kind of preservation possible, you can

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<v Speaker 2>ferment foods in hot or cold weather. In fact, Korea

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<v Speaker 2>and kimchi was traditionally made in the colder months so

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<v Speaker 2>families would have access to vegetables throughout the winter. Large

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<v Speaker 2>batches were prepared in ceramic pots and then buried in

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<v Speaker 2>the ground to slowly ferment had a more steady temperature.

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<v Speaker 1>So in a way, fermentation was kind of the next

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<v Speaker 1>step in the evolution of varied cuisine because not only

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<v Speaker 1>are you preserving food underground, now you're preparing it too.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing you put in the ground isn't the

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<v Speaker 1>same as what you dig up, right, Like, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>real change there. The look, the taste, the texture, it's

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<v Speaker 1>all completely different.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and traditional kimchi isn't the only example of a

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<v Speaker 2>food that's forever changed by its time underground. For instance,

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<v Speaker 2>in Greenland, the native people's prepare a dish called kiviak

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<v Speaker 2>and that involves stuffing a seal skin with hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>tiny seabirds and placing it in a hole covered with

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<v Speaker 2>rocks to ferment for eighteen months.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you ever made this before.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's just a seal skin and then hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>of tiny birds and eighteen months later.

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<v Speaker 1>I've tried it with like twenty or thirty birds, but

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<v Speaker 1>has a lot of birds no, I mean, I've heard

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<v Speaker 1>of it, but it's not appeeling to me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's basically like a seal turducan, right kind of, but

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<v Speaker 2>unlike the tur ducan, you don't consume the outer layer,

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<v Speaker 2>only what's inside of it. And another important differences that

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<v Speaker 2>the dead birds in kivak actually get stuffed into the

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<v Speaker 2>cavity with all their feathers and their beaks still attach.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you have to coat the whole thing with oils

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<v Speaker 2>to ward off maggots and bury it seam side up

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<v Speaker 2>so that any gases can vent through the rocks there.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like a sort of a growth process.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so the starting evolved and you said they buried

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<v Speaker 1>this thing for like over a year.

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<v Speaker 2>Technically you can dig it up after just three months.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you want those beaks to get good and gelatinous,

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<v Speaker 2>you definitely don't want an aldentate beak like you gotta

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<v Speaker 2>wait a little bit longer, so be patient. But the

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<v Speaker 2>goal in any case is to have it ready for

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas time, when kivak is eaten as part of a

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<v Speaker 2>traditional holiday feast. Now, understandably, many families choose to enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>this winter delicacy outdoors to keep its powerful smell from

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<v Speaker 2>lingering in the house. And this can linger for weeks afterward.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're wondering what the dish tastes like but

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<v Speaker 2>would rather not try for yourself, a BBC producer named

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<v Speaker 2>Bethan Evans once described it as a cross between licorice

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<v Speaker 2>and the strongest cheese I've ever had.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are not things I think of pairing together for

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<v Speaker 1>together well, so thinking of like other combinations that are

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit odd. I feel the same way about gravlocks,

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<v Speaker 1>which is another strong smelling Nordic dish that involved buried fermentation.

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<v Speaker 2>And actually that's the salmon dish that Julia Child made

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<v Speaker 2>famous isn't it. Yeah, I've seen it on minis before,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've never actually realized it was fermented.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's the thing. The modern take on gradlocks

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't involve fermentation or even much of a burial. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>the salmon is just buried in a dry rub of salt,

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<v Speaker 1>sugar and dill, and then it's cured in a refrigerator

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<v Speaker 1>for a few days. But that is very different from

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<v Speaker 1>how Swedish fishermen first prepared the dish, and this goes

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<v Speaker 1>way back to the Middle Ages. They'd been looking for

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<v Speaker 1>a way to preserve their summer catch without the use

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<v Speaker 1>of salt, which at the time was very expensive, and

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<v Speaker 1>this led to the development of a technique called gravlocks,

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<v Speaker 1>which literally means buried salmon.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's actually just occurring to me right now.

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<v Speaker 2>That grave is right there in.

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<v Speaker 1>The word, yeah, and true to the name. Peasants and

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<v Speaker 1>fishermen would wrap the fish in birch bark and then

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<v Speaker 1>bury it in a wet, sandy grave, and the cold moisture,

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<v Speaker 1>the lack of oxygen, and the acidity from the birch bark,

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<v Speaker 1>all of that would cause the salmon to ferment instead

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<v Speaker 1>of robbing.

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<v Speaker 2>It does feel like such a risky way to ferment,

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<v Speaker 2>something like there's no air tight container and your only

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<v Speaker 2>defense against spoilage are a few strips of birch bark,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm surprised people didn't get sick from eating it.

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<v Speaker 1>People absolutely did, and if you even died from it.

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<v Speaker 1>The dish is considered a delicacy today, but in its

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<v Speaker 1>original form, eating gravlocks was an act of true desperation,

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<v Speaker 1>and no matter how horribly it smelled or how iffy

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<v Speaker 1>it tasted, the chance to not starve was It was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of worth the gamble.

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<v Speaker 3>That makes sense, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, now that we've covered the aromatic delights of animal fermentation,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got another resourceful buried food tradition for you, and

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<v Speaker 2>this one's actually vegetarian. So, according to an old piece

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<v Speaker 2>of Appalachian wisdom, if you bury heads of cabbage upside

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<v Speaker 2>down in the dirt, they'll stay crisp and crunchy all

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<v Speaker 2>winter long. The mountaineers discovered the trick over a century ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and many families in the regions still swear by it today.

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<v Speaker 2>They claim that buried cabbage is more flavorful than its

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<v Speaker 2>top side cousin. Wait, so these cabbages aren't fermented or

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<v Speaker 2>seasoned or anything. They're just like pulled from the garden

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<v Speaker 2>and then plopped back into the ground, just upside down,

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<v Speaker 2>pretty straightforward. And that's not to say that there was

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<v Speaker 2>nothing clever about the process. I mean, the leafy greenheads

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<v Speaker 2>have been a staple crop for mountaineers since the Blue

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<v Speaker 2>Ridge area was first settled, and in the days before refrigeration,

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<v Speaker 2>a homesteader's best bet for storing their cabbages through the

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<v Speaker 2>winter was by digging and framing out a root cellar

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere along the way, though enterprising families realized they could

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<v Speaker 2>skip that step by simply sticking their cabbages in the dirt. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the preferred method, known locally as holing it up, was

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<v Speaker 2>to dig out a shallow trench just below the frost

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<v Speaker 2>line and then place the cabbages in it upside down,

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<v Speaker 2>so that the dirt wouldn't get in the leaves once

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<v Speaker 2>the hole was filled in if you think about the

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<v Speaker 2>direction of the leaves, and so those underground stores of

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<v Speaker 2>cabbage could be tapped into as needed throughout the season,

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<v Speaker 2>adding a welcome crunch of texture to the families. Otherwise

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<v Speaker 2>mushy meals of you think about things like canned beans

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<v Speaker 2>and corn pudding and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I know you can do a lot of things

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<v Speaker 1>with cabbage, like you can saute, fry it up, chop

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<v Speaker 1>it into a slab. But did mountaineers try burying anything

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<v Speaker 1>besides cabbage, because that seems like it's a technique that

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<v Speaker 1>would work for other foods pretty well as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So they did experiment with bearing other kinds of vegetables,

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<v Speaker 2>but without added preservatives, most of them just rotted after

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<v Speaker 2>a few days. Underground cabbage proved the exception. Because of

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<v Speaker 2>the plant's tough outer leaves, that protective layer would gradually

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<v Speaker 2>dry out, but the plant's inner core could remain crisp

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<v Speaker 2>and fresh. In fact, proponents of buried cabbage claim the

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<v Speaker 2>process concentrates all the flavor in those inner leaves that

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<v Speaker 2>makes the plant taste much sweeter.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds delicious actually, And you said this is something

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<v Speaker 1>people still do in the Appellations, Yeah, I mean most residents.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't see the point now, and it's just about everyone

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<v Speaker 2>has a refrigerator. But that said, there are still some

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<v Speaker 2>old timers and diehard cabbage fans out there who.

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<v Speaker 3>Are still holding it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the good old that's fascinating. Okay, well, we've got

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot more to cover, but before that, let's

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<v Speaker 1>take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 4>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so no offense to our listeners in the blue ridge,

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<v Speaker 1>but raw cabbage is just about the most low effort

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<v Speaker 1>buried food I can think of, right, Like, it is

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<v Speaker 1>so simple to do, and I thought we could head

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<v Speaker 1>north and talk about one that requires just a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more elbow grease. It's an old New England specialty

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<v Speaker 1>called a bean hole supper. Have you actually heard of this?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>I have not.

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<v Speaker 1>This is something that our friend Mary turned me on too.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a Native maner and she says it's one of

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<v Speaker 1>her favorite summer traditions. Let's get into it. Tell me

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<v Speaker 1>about it. So the cooking itself is not too complicated,

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<v Speaker 1>but it does take a fair amount of prep. First,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to get your beans ready by soaking and

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<v Speaker 1>par boiling them. Then you add all your fixens like pork, onions,

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<v Speaker 1>dry mustard, molasses as well. The next step is where

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<v Speaker 1>things start to get interesting. You go outside and you

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<v Speaker 1>dig a hole a few feet deep, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>start a fire at the bottom and you keep it

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<v Speaker 1>burning till you have a nice bed of coals. You

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<v Speaker 1>need something that's about eight inches thick. Next, you lower

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<v Speaker 1>your sealed pot of beans into the hole and line

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<v Speaker 1>the walls with rocks to keep the heat in. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you fill in the hole with soil and let

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<v Speaker 1>the beans cook for a good long while, generally overnight.

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<v Speaker 1>And at that point there's really nothing to do but

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<v Speaker 1>wait till morning. Then you dig up the pot hoist

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<v Speaker 1>it out of the hole, which is usually a two

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<v Speaker 1>person job, and then you help yourself to some warm

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<v Speaker 1>beanie goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, so are these breakfast beans? I thought this was

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<v Speaker 2>a bean hole supper.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's really up to the people with the shovels.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people cook the beans all day, eat them at night,

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<v Speaker 1>and then reheat the leftovers for breakfast. Others tuck in

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<v Speaker 1>first thing in the morning and then go back for

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<v Speaker 1>seconds at dinner time. We're talking mass quantities of beans here,

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<v Speaker 1>like they're actually like about nine or ten pounds of

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<v Speaker 1>beans per pot, So most people will make a few

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<v Speaker 1>meals out of it regardless of when they start eating.

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<v Speaker 1>And not to mention, the bean whole supper is really

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<v Speaker 1>a communal event. You might wind up burying a dozen

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<v Speaker 1>pots or more depending on the size of your guest list.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot of beans. And it does make me

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<v Speaker 2>wonder though, like why beans this is main?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? So it feels like you should have a.

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<v Speaker 2>Clam bake or cook a bunch of lobsters underground instead.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of it just comes down to price, right, Like

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty pounds of beans versus one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty pounds of lobster. Beans are called a different price,

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<v Speaker 1>two different prices. Beans are called the poor men's meat

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<v Speaker 1>for a reason. Plus they have a much longer shelf

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<v Speaker 1>life than clams or lobsters. But there are still other

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<v Speaker 1>cheap foods that you can bury besides beans, Like they

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<v Speaker 1>must have picked them for a reason. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>beans really are ubiquitous in New England. Boston's nickname is

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<v Speaker 1>the bean Town for a reason. But probably the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>reason why maners still do this is that it's like

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<v Speaker 1>this long, rich history of the custom right. According to

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<v Speaker 1>the Main Folk Life Center, the bean hole method of

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<v Speaker 1>cooking was first developed by Native American tribes living along

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<v Speaker 1>the East coast. They would fill clay pots with beans,

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<v Speaker 1>bear grease, and maple syrup, and then they'd cover it

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<v Speaker 1>with deer skins and bury them in coals underground. Now

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<v Speaker 1>European settlers in Maine adopted the bean hole from the

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<v Speaker 1>Abenaki tribe, and the long, slow cooking style proved especially

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<v Speaker 1>useful in the regions many lumber camps. Beans were cheap

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<v Speaker 1>and plentiful and obviously a good source of protein, and

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<v Speaker 1>they could be easily prepared in large batches. And while

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<v Speaker 1>the equipment and camp kitchens was pretty bare bones at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, the cooks had everything they needed to make

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<v Speaker 1>a bean hole supper, which is really just cast iron pots,

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of rocks and wood, and lots of open land

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<v Speaker 1>for digging. I'm curious, though, do we know what kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of beans these guys were eating. I guess there's a

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<v Speaker 1>certain kind that's traditionally used in these bean holes. From

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<v Speaker 1>what I read, most maners stick to heirloom beans, which

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<v Speaker 1>are the types that were common during the colonial era.

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<v Speaker 1>But whichever beans you use, you'll want to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>you've got plenty of brown bread and onions on hand

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<v Speaker 1>to go with the leftovers. And that's because the traditional

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<v Speaker 1>next day meal after a bean hole supper is a

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<v Speaker 1>sandwich of cold beans and raw onions on brown bread.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, cold beans?

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<v Speaker 2>Why why wouldn't you just reheat them?

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<v Speaker 1>Because then you have to dig another hole. I guys,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not practical. You know. That actually reminds me.

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe came across a nineteenth century folk song this week

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<v Speaker 1>about life at the lumber camps, and one of the

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<v Speaker 1>stanzas made me think that the cooks may have relied

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<v Speaker 1>on bean hole suppers just a little too much in

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<v Speaker 1>some cases. This song is called the Good Old State

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<v Speaker 1>of Maine, and the outlines how much worse the conditions

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<v Speaker 1>were at New Hampshire's lumber camps compared to those of Maine,

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<v Speaker 1>including the lack of variety on the menu. Now we

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<v Speaker 1>found this recording sung by James Brown, not the James Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>We all know a different Games Brown, and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to play a clip of it, so let's late it.

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<v Speaker 4>Now. Twas bread and beans and beans, and bread and

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<v Speaker 4>bread and beans again for a grub. We sometimes had

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<v Speaker 4>it change in the good all day domain.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that is great, and leave it up to Gabe

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<v Speaker 2>for find a gem like this. It kind of reminds

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<v Speaker 2>me that Monty Python sketch, where every dish on the

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<v Speaker 2>menu consists partially or entirely of spam, Like there's just

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<v Speaker 2>no escaping.

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<v Speaker 1>It exactly, beans all around all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I read about this other pit cooking tradition from

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<v Speaker 2>Peru and it's called pacha manca.

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<v Speaker 3>The name means earthpot.

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<v Speaker 2>In the indigenous Ketchua language, and it refers to a

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<v Speaker 2>style of cooking that's thought to be more than eight

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<v Speaker 2>thousand years old. It's basically Peru's answer to barbecue, but

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<v Speaker 2>instead of using a grill, you bury the food and

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<v Speaker 2>you cook it between rows of hot volcanic rocks.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really cool. And I'm guessing the food in this

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<v Speaker 1>case is some kind of meat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's it's certainly the star of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>A traditional spread can include up to four different marinated meats,

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<v Speaker 2>with the most common options being chicken, pork, lamb, alpaca,

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<v Speaker 2>or guinea pig, the last two of which are local

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<v Speaker 2>delicacies that rarely get served to tourists.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lot more to pacha manka than meat, though.

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<v Speaker 2>Other crucial components of the dish include Tomlli's lima beans,

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<v Speaker 2>corn potatoes, sweet potatoes, all of which are carefully stacked

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<v Speaker 2>in layers according to how long each one needs to cook,

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<v Speaker 2>and so how does that work exactly? The first step

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<v Speaker 2>is to dig a pit and then start a fire.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you add layers of stones, making sure to only

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<v Speaker 2>use volcanic ones so that they don't burst from the

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<v Speaker 2>high heat. Now, once the rocks are red hot, you

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<v Speaker 2>add your first layer of food. This is typically the

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<v Speaker 2>potato layer because those take the most time to cook. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Their placement also has the added benefit of absorbing all

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<v Speaker 2>the fat drippings from the layer above them, which is

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<v Speaker 2>your meat of choice. On top of the meat, you

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<v Speaker 2>add another layer of rocks, followed by faster cooking vegetables

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<v Speaker 2>and tomali's on the very top. Now, the last step

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<v Speaker 2>is to cover it all up, but once again there

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<v Speaker 2>is a layering process. So first you pile on some

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<v Speaker 2>banana and plantain leaves for flavor, Then you add some

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<v Speaker 2>craft paper or fabric to act as a barrier, and

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<v Speaker 2>lastly you top it with soil. Now, it can take

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<v Speaker 2>as little as fifteen minutes to cook everything, depending on

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<v Speaker 2>the heat of your stones, but most pachamanca has cooked

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<v Speaker 2>for forty minutes or longer to get everything nice and tender.

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<v Speaker 3>It actually sounds pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds delicious, but this obviously, isn't a dinner for

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<v Speaker 1>one kind of thing. Is this more communal as well?

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<v Speaker 1>Very much so.

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<v Speaker 2>Like historically it's a very social experience. So people living

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<v Speaker 2>in the Andes Mountains were incredibly isolated from other communities,

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<v Speaker 2>so making pachamanca was a reason to get everybody together.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the same today too, where you might have pachamanka

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<v Speaker 2>to celebrate a special occasion or as part of a

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<v Speaker 2>big community event, but you're definitely not going to do

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<v Speaker 2>this alone.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting because when I think of proving cuisine, I

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<v Speaker 1>mostly think about savich, which is so firmly rude in

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<v Speaker 1>the culture that it's considered the national dish there. But

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<v Speaker 1>what you're describing is exact opposite of a cold cooked

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<v Speaker 1>seafood salad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like a Maine is better known for lobster

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<v Speaker 2>than it is for beanhole suppers. For whatever reason, the

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<v Speaker 2>coastal food traditions have just garnered more attention than the

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<v Speaker 2>inland ones.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm glad we could do this episode to share

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<v Speaker 1>the good news of underground cooking. I know a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people got into canning during the pandemic, so who knows,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe food burial will be next, you know, like the

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<v Speaker 1>next hot food trend. But before we sign off, why

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<v Speaker 1>don't we do a quick fact off?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, let's dig in. All right, So we've been

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<v Speaker 3>covered some unusual.

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<v Speaker 2>Approaches to food preservation today, but I think the strangest

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<v Speaker 2>might be the old Russian folk belief that putting a

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<v Speaker 2>frog and milk will prevent it from spoiling.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that's the milk, not the frog.

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<v Speaker 2>The idea may have stemmed from the fact that frogs

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<v Speaker 2>are cold and damped to the touch, which may have

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<v Speaker 2>led folks to assume that those qualities could be passed

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<v Speaker 2>along to whatever liquid the frog was submerged in. Another

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<v Speaker 2>theory is that the belief rose from the practice of

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<v Speaker 2>storing milk cans in a stream to keep them cool. Occasionally,

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<v Speaker 2>frogs would find their way into these containers, and farmers

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<v Speaker 2>would have to assure customers that the milk was still drinkable.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of them may have even pretended that the frogs

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<v Speaker 2>had been purposefully added due to their supposed preservation power,

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<v Speaker 2>which is pretty clever there. In any case, the folklore

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<v Speaker 2>about frogs has persisted for centuries, and while few people

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<v Speaker 2>in Russia actually believe it, today, just about everyone has

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<v Speaker 2>at least heard of it, so you can imagine their

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<v Speaker 2>surprise when back in twenty twelve, scientists in Moscow announced

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<v Speaker 2>that the belief.

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<v Speaker 3>Might not be that far fetched.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, according to the report, many of the peptides found

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<v Speaker 2>in the secretions of common frogs contain antibacterial properties. So

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<v Speaker 2>while dropping a frog in your milk carton is still

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<v Speaker 2>super gross, it turns out the peasants of Old Russia

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<v Speaker 2>may have actually been onto something.

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<v Speaker 1>That is incredible. I'd heard about that, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know there was any truth to it. Well, heading back underground,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to tell you about the world's oldest noodles.

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<v Speaker 1>They were unearthed in China back in two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 1>and according to radiocarbon dating, the ancient millet pasta is

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<v Speaker 1>about four thousand years old. Now, the discovery suggests that

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<v Speaker 1>China was like the birthplace of the noodle, as none

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<v Speaker 1>of the specimens found in other countries come anywhere close

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<v Speaker 1>to matching that date. And the really crazy thing is

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<v Speaker 1>that this act of preservation happened completely by accident. According

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<v Speaker 1>to archaeologists, the ancient settlement where the noodles were found

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<v Speaker 1>had been wiped out by a sudden catastrophe, and amidst

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<v Speaker 1>the wreckage and human remains, the team found an upturned

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<v Speaker 1>bowl and when they lifted it, they found a pile

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<v Speaker 1>of neolithic noodles waiting for them. So the archaeologist Kambu

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<v Speaker 1>Lee explained it this way. It was this unique combination

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<v Speaker 1>of factors that created a vacuum or an empty space

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<v Speaker 1>between the top of the sentiment cone and the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>of this bowl that allowed the noodles to be perfectly preserved.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting, actually, I think I have the perfect thing

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<v Speaker 2>to pair with the world's oldest noodles, and that's the

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<v Speaker 2>world's oldest wine. It was poured into a funeral urn

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<v Speaker 2>in Spain more than two thousand years ago and was

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<v Speaker 2>rediscovered inside an underground Roman tomb back in twenty nineteen. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The archaeologist who opened the urn found a glass flask

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<v Speaker 2>inside containing about five liters of a reddish brown liquid.

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<v Speaker 2>Chemical analysis revealed it to be a white sherry type

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<v Speaker 2>wine that's still made in the region today, and it

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<v Speaker 2>has since been authenticated as the oldest known example of

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<v Speaker 2>a wine that still exists in a liquid form. But

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<v Speaker 2>for any connoisseurs out there, attempted to give it a taste.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep in mind that cremated remains were also found in

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<v Speaker 2>the urrns, so you'll just want to maybe, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe strain it first.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I like my wine chunky style. One

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<v Speaker 1>thing I'd have a harder time saying no to is

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<v Speaker 1>a freshly pickled pickle from a Fijian pickle pit. Nice. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the pickling process is thought to have version it in

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<v Speaker 1>Mesopotamia as far back as twenty four hundred BCE, but

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<v Speaker 1>it holds a special importance in the Pacific Islands, where

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<v Speaker 1>the warm, humid climate causes food to spoil much faster.

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<v Speaker 1>So to get around that problem, native communities began digging

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<v Speaker 1>these fermentation pits, which they would line with banana leaves

0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 1>to keep out the soil. And the pits were especially

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<v Speaker 1>helpful in building up food stores to use celebrations or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in case of storms, and over time the

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<v Speaker 1>pits became so vital that they even started to play

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<v Speaker 1>a role in the courting process. So in Fiji, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>building up a well stocked picklepit shows that a man

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<v Speaker 1>is a good provider, which is why it's customary for

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<v Speaker 1>men to let a woman's parents inspect their picklepit before

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<v Speaker 1>they popped the question. It has some good.

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<v Speaker 2>Tongue twisters this episode, and it just sounds sturdy mango.

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<v Speaker 2>To be honest with you, My last one doesn't involve

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<v Speaker 2>a buried food, but it's such a bizarre case.

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<v Speaker 3>Of food preservation that I can't not mention it.

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<v Speaker 4>So.

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<v Speaker 1>According to our friends at Alice Obscura, the world's oldest.

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<v Speaker 2>Ham was carried one hundred and twenty three years ago

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<v Speaker 2>by Gwaltney Foods Meat Company, this in Smithfield, Virginia. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>somehow the ham fell by the wayside for two decades

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<v Speaker 2>and remained hanging from the rafters of a packing house

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<v Speaker 2>until the early nineteen twenties. The head of the company,

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<v Speaker 2>a guy named Pembroke Gwaltney Junior, was so thrilled by

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<v Speaker 2>the hams rediscovering that he put a brass collar on

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<v Speaker 2>it and started calling it his pet.

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<v Speaker 3>You know how you'd normally.

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<v Speaker 2>React to something like this so weird, And that wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>all either. So Gwaltny was so proud of the ham

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<v Speaker 2>that he took it to public expositions and showed it

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<v Speaker 2>off as proof of the preservative powers of his smoking method.

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<v Speaker 2>He claimed the company's process was so effective that its

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<v Speaker 2>meats could be stored in definitely without refrigeration. Seems he

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<v Speaker 2>was right too, because the century old Ham is still

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<v Speaker 2>going strong today. It's on permanent display at the Isle

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<v Speaker 2>of White County Museum in Virginia, which, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>is also home to the World's Oldest Peanuts.

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<v Speaker 3>These guys have a lot to brag about in that area.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so old.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you can't make the trip in person, don't worry.

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<v Speaker 2>You can still keep up with the Ham's Twitter account

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:42.280
<v Speaker 2>at World's Oldest Ham, or you can keep an eye

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<v Speaker 2>on it directly through the museum's twenty four to seven

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<v Speaker 2>live streamed ham Camp, of course. And in case you're wondering,

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<v Speaker 2>according to microbologist, the ham is still technically edible, although

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<v Speaker 2>you know it looks like a petrified football.

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<v Speaker 3>At this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, even though I love the idea of around the

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<v Speaker 1>clock Hamcam, the fact that it is in does give

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<v Speaker 1>you a little pause here.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's fair.

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<v Speaker 2>I still wanted to mention it, but I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to give you this week's trophy anyway for the pickle pits,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, mainly for the tongue twister there because it's

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<v Speaker 2>just so much fun to say.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. Well, that's going to do it for

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