1 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: You know what makes me sad. That's always gonna be 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: in the back of his head. 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 2: He'll never forget today. 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: He'll be like, damn, I did ship. 5 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 3: Myself April twelfth, twenty twenty five. 6 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: He caught a bad one. 7 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: People are gonna like ask him, like, what's the worst 8 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: thing you've ever done? And he's gonna know the answer 9 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: is shipped himself that way. But then he's gonna have 10 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 1: to be like, oh, I stopped talking to my mom 11 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: before she passed. 12 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was old son. I was like, that 13 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 3: might be like what it gets him to stop driving? 14 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 3: Like the kids are like, you know you can't have Carter, 15 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 3: you shoot yourself up the bread tax you know, you 16 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 3: know you can't drive it. 17 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: Remember what I had to come get you. 18 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 4: Something? 19 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: Recond We can't happen. I had to call work. How 20 00:00:54,320 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: at work? I'm a doctor? The home that was the home. 21 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 2: You can't look after yourself. 22 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 3: You're shitty, you're someone yourself. 23 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 2: And he didn't even Dad, I miss mom too. 24 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 5: Look, it's too much house for you. 25 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 2: You can't get to the bathroom safely anymore. It's too 26 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: much dog. You're gonna have to live. We'll figure it out. 27 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: You gotta live somewhere else. You gotta live somewhere else. 28 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: So you gotta let Rick move in. That's it, that's it. 29 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: We cannot have this again. He's out. Fine, I'm look 30 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: at the accords. The corn. 31 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 6: You like shit, shit everyway, isn't. 32 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 3: In your face? 33 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: A Kuala Bears are racist. 34 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: The Layer Fos money our shipmanic turkey stuff. 35 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 2: I can't tell me. You've got to lick it before 36 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: you stick it. You got to grab it before you 37 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: stab it. 38 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 3: Welcome little mamas and gymiles alike to another phenomenal episode 39 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 3: of My Mama Told Me. 40 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: The podcast where we dive deep, deep into the pockets 41 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: of black inspiracy theory and. 42 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 3: We finally work to prove whatever the fuck we want. 43 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 3: We have autonomy. 44 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: Oh we can do it. We can do it. We 45 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 2: can do whatever we want. We can do it. Put 46 00:02:58,960 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: your bag into it. 47 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: This us and Will Ferry, who is a constant and 48 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: close collaborator. 49 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: Of truly a great friend. I called him to if. 50 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: You think these episodes happen without Old Willy knowing about it, 51 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: he edits. 52 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: He's our editor. 53 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: He's our editor, and he's our confidante. 54 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: Him and Justin shout out to justin. You know what 55 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 2: I've been thinking. 56 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 3: I think the amount of black people on television peaked 57 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 3: in the nineties. 58 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 2: I don't think we're ever going to get it back. 59 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 3: I think I think that the amount of black content, 60 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 3: of quality black content that they were looking for then, 61 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 3: I don't I don't think it'll ever be up to 62 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 3: those numbers. 63 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: You don't think we're ever getting a upn. 64 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: Again. 65 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 3: I don't think the way television works, I don't even 66 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 3: think we're getting a night again. Whoa, Yeah, we had 67 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 3: a night every every channel had a night. 68 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: Everybody had a WB Sundays or whatever. 69 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you could like look forward to like, oh, it's 70 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: gonna be Winans Bros. 71 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: And it's gonna be that. 72 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: It's gonna be that one white guy, white Mike who 73 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: got his own show or whatever on UPM. But that's 74 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: neither diverse DEI. Yeah, there were some DEI hires in 75 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: there for Yea. 76 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 3: Broona Kamars or whatever. But overall, I don't think we 77 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 3: ever get back to that. 78 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: Man. 79 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 3: I think it's interesting because I think people from our 80 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: generation hyper fixate on that because that really helped us out. 81 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 2: That really helped us out a lot. 82 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 3: It really there was no lack like I think about 83 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 3: it as a kid, there was not really a major 84 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 3: lack of positive representation. 85 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: This is the first time I've ever really thought about 86 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: it the way that you're framing it. But I think 87 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: that's so true because I've I've there's a part of 88 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: me that's always taken issue with this argument of like. 89 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: We need more representation. I've never seen myself and it's like, 90 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: but I have you grew up in a wealth of it. 91 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: I grew up it was so wealthy with like representation 92 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: in fact that I didn't I never thought of not 93 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: having it at all. And I suppose if you are 94 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: a black woman, maybe you don't feel like you've had 95 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: as much of the wealth. It was primarily men that 96 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: were sort of flushed with the ship, but we were 97 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: flushed with the ship. 98 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean even for women, the idea of 99 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 3: like girlfriends, the Parkers, moesh like all the like. He 100 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 3: was just like, Yeah, we grew up with such a 101 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 3: wealth of it that now we're like it's not that important. 102 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 3: But it's like not because the generation before. That's why, 103 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: regardless of what you did, what the man did. That's 104 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: why the Cosby Show was so crazy. It's such a 105 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 3: leap forward, right, you know what I mean, And that 106 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 3: kind of like kicked the door in for all a 107 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 3: different world and all the shit, but like. 108 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: We grew up. 109 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 3: I think maybe the biggest representation of like the idea 110 00:05:55,360 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 3: of like prosperous black people on television, Yeah, and also 111 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 3: their sisters or whatever, where it's just like some people 112 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 3: in a house having some having a life. 113 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 2: Yeah. 114 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: I think even you know, the previous iterations of what 115 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: the black experience were before the Cosby Show were in 116 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: the framework of like Norman Lear, where it's like, yeah, 117 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: where it's like the extremes of blackness. It is either 118 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: ultimate poverty or in the case of the Jeffersons, it's 119 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: like supreme wealth. But it is still a commentary on 120 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: like the black experience as a poor person. There was 121 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: no just to your point, a regular ass group of people. 122 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, damn yeah, it's tough. 123 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: Even the Fresh Prince, like the Fresh Prince came from 124 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: the hood, but he was like framed as like a 125 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: regular ass dude who didn't want to He didn't want 126 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: to sell drugs. He wasn't even trying to wrap in this. No, no, no, no, 127 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: he was not rap adjacent. No, he wasn't trying to 128 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: be an entertainer. No, I mean he was down to 129 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: be the fucking he worked on Ashley's, on Hillary's show. 130 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: He wanted yeah, yeah, he wanted to be Ashley's manager. Yeah. 131 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: He was just trying to be in production. Yeah, he 132 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: trying to He was really just trying to get on. 133 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: He was trying to not go back to Philly. Yeah, 134 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: but what he means that was the whole point of this. 135 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:22,679 Speaker 1: He was like, Bro, they beat the fuck out of you. Yeah, 136 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: I managed my little cousin. I don't care. I let 137 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: her talk down to me. I don't care. 138 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: I just can't go back to Philly. Bro, Ashley Banks, 139 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: make up your mind. He's going platinum. Remember she had 140 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 2: a real song too, Yeah, Daydreaming. 141 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: You remember the name? 142 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: Oh yeah? Do you do you remember? Did you ever 143 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 2: think Tazzy on Ali was mom and Ali's daughter. 144 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: I had heard that said, but I think my mom 145 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: had corrected it early. Okay, I think I. I don't 146 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: think that I genuinely believe that ever. 147 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 3: All right, moving on, we none of us thought that, 148 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 3: none of us believe she was a NEPO baby. 149 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 2: Until two years ago. 150 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: The nepotism being getting punched in the head and then. 151 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: No, no, no, he didn't. I didn't think her. 152 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the act of getting punched in the 153 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: head somehow leading to acting opportunity. 154 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I think you're really reducing Muhammad Ali. I 155 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 2: don't think I am. I think you you know, think 156 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: are you not? Are you not? An all? 157 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: I'm a huge Ali guy, But I don't think his 158 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: job becomes more elevated because of Oh yeah, it was 159 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,679 Speaker 1: what he did with I think he's a human being 160 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: is the elevation he was. He was so far more 161 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: exceptional than the work that he did, which is why 162 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: even when he I mean we lost him in his career, 163 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: in his prime years, yea, and we still were like, 164 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: now we're rooting for this person because he represents something 165 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: much greater than. 166 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: All of this, right right, all right? I mean he 167 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: was exceptional, though, I mean the work that he you're 168 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: saying he was more exceptional than the work that he 169 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,119 Speaker 2: did in The ringer in general. 170 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: Saying the work that he does in the Ring is 171 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: of no consequence to me compared to what he ultimately 172 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: did as a human being. 173 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 3: I get that, but you can't deny he was also 174 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 3: I guess that to me is what makes him so 175 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 3: exceptional is that he was also this incredible athlete. 176 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: No, I'm not saying that he's not a great athlete. 177 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: I'm saying that the work itself is still just punching somebody. 178 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not. 179 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: I'm not going to pretend like it's not that. 180 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: Because money is the craziest thing. Yeah, it's it's. 181 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: Still every single one of them has suffered like life 182 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: changing brain damage because of their experience, and that can't 183 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: go away simply because he was an exceptional person. 184 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 2: Right right, right. 185 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I think you got to be kind of 186 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 3: a wild person to even think that that's the way. 187 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 3: But you get in a fight and you're like, I 188 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 3: could get money for this. 189 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 7: Yeah, You're like, well you find. 190 00:09:55,640 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: You watching across the street, give me a dollar. But 191 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: if I did that on TV? 192 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, man, thank god. Do you ever have like 193 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 3: a boxing phase? Did you ever think you could like 194 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 3: get into it? 195 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: I tried in college to join up with like the 196 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: boxing club, and when I showed up the first like 197 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: three weeks, they just wanted you to run where They're like, no, 198 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: we're for real, for real training to like build something here, okay, 199 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: And so we're gonna get in shape before we even 200 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: start touching bags and like hitting each other and shit. 201 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, bro, this isn't what I 202 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: signed up for. No, you just want to be able 203 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: to look good shadow boxing? 204 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 4: Oh yeah. 205 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: I just wanted to like get get a different way 206 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: of like being active and healthy. And y'all are for 207 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: real trying to like build build fighters. And I'm gonna 208 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: be mad at you, and you're gonna be mad at me. 209 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: I'm walking away here. It is like a lot of way. 210 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like a casual hobby. 211 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: No at all. 212 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not convinced I was good at it. 213 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: That's fair, do you know what I mean? Like, you're 214 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: not even giving me a chance to find out if 215 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,479 Speaker 1: I got like some sort of like innate ability. 216 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe there's an aptitude there, but they tried to 217 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 3: run it out of you. 218 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna make me. You're gonna make me train 219 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: five miles a day to find out. I'm I'm about 220 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: to get my ass whooped. 221 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 3: Yo. 222 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 2: That is honestly, maybe you saved yourself, because that would 223 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 2: be hard, that would be crazy. 224 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: I couldn't take that I was trying to get hold Yeah, yeah, 225 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: because it does seem like the best thing to take 226 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: up to get holdsy because you can't. 227 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: You don't have to prove it. 228 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 3: Really, it's awesome. You just tell her, like I box 229 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 3: a little bit, yeah, box, Yeah, that it is a 230 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: good that's a good hole getting sport. I think it's 231 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 3: like probably top tier. 232 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: You seem like a strong guy, Yeah, just off grip. 233 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: I go, all right, I'm gonna be respectful around this person. 234 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 3: Right, And it's like it's like difficult enough that it 235 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 3: weeds out a lot of people, Like I don't think 236 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 3: saying that you hoop is nearly as attractive as it 237 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 3: used to. 238 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: You know, like there's a lot of people who play 239 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: basketball regularly. 240 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: Because hoopers also are so far removed from the human 241 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 1: form that like, if I tell you I'm good at basketball, 242 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 1: you go, okay, you're good at basketball for a thirty 243 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: seven year old man who's six feet who at best 244 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 1: is five eleven, Like you're you are, you are what 245 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: you are, Yeah, I know what your peak is. 246 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 2: No matter how good you. 247 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: Are at versus with boxing, if I tell you I 248 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: can fight. 249 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: You could be sneaky. You could be bro till you 250 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 2: put Floyd in front of me. 251 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, you might be low key nice yeah yeah, because 252 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 3: you can't like I don't think if you saw a 253 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 3: tank you would think you know what I mean? 254 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, damn yeah. 255 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 3: Because boxing, And it does seem like I can't prove this, 256 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 3: but it does seem like, dude. 257 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: Who box get the best pussy? Mmm. I think it's 258 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 2: top to you. 259 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: I think for for a period it is, and then 260 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: it gets complicated. 261 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah. 262 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: On the back end, I think the way their brains 263 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: work it healthy relationships through. 264 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 2: It's you want to anger? 265 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: No, no, no, I think history tells its own story 266 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: with that. Anyways, we got voicemail, Yeah, we got voicemails. 267 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: You guys keeps leasing voicemails. We keep listening to voicemails. 268 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: It's coolest ship. We got a lot this time, we 269 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: got a lot. This one piqued my interest. And I 270 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: don't know what it we We don't listen to them 271 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: ahead of time. 272 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,119 Speaker 3: I have not heard it. Is that a great strategy 273 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 3: for creating content? Who knows? 274 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: It's all a surprise for us and and we'll find 275 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: out if that's worth the surprise. 276 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 2: But here we go. 277 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: This one seems exciting, So let's find out what's. 278 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 4: Up, love freaks. I'm calling because I realize that that 279 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 4: you all forming a parasocial relationship with me. 280 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 2: Pause, hold up on, God, damn in it listening? Relax? 281 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: All right, who is this to say that we are 282 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: have a parasocial relationship with this persion? I don't who 283 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: are you? I think it's the first guy who called 284 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: it a little freaky. I don't like that at all. Oh, 285 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: I give you, this isn't a real relationship. 286 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: You you abused us, Yeah, and we took it, but 287 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: not anymore. 288 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: You did a nasty thing. You don't get to like 289 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: take ownership of this. 290 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 3: We're gonna cut our hair and move to a new 291 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 3: city and take a spin class. 292 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 2: J low enough. Yeah, maybe finally get back into painting. 293 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 4: It's solving the male loneliness epidemic, and you're trying to 294 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 4: do that for other people. And you're trying to do 295 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 4: that for other men. 296 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 2: Thank you. 297 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to look directly at the camera and say, 298 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 3: we do not do this for men at all. 299 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 2: What I'm thinking about you one day. 300 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 3: We are men who were raised by single mothers, and 301 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 3: we have those tendencies. Quite frankly, when we're alone, we 302 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 3: often talk about how men make us uncomfortable in large groups. 303 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: If you thought for a second that I wake up 304 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: in the day and I want to go, how can 305 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: I please the fellas your own the dogs man. That's 306 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: when I started to hate Drake, was when he was like, 307 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: I'm making music for men. I was like this, nigga, no, 308 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: I want to hear nice for what YE lie to 309 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: me about how you treat women? Is my position on everything. 310 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 3: I mean, even joking aside, I don't, I don't. I 311 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 3: don't really think about I don't think about sex when 312 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 3: we do this, though, really you don't think about sex 313 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 3: in what sense. 314 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: I don't think about it being directly for women or men. 315 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: I kind of just like, oh, you mean like gender. Yeah, 316 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: I feel like you're just shooting shots. 317 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 3: But it does. Olivia told me recently it does. We're 318 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 3: pretty even. I think she said it's like fifty six 319 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 3: percent women, forty four percent men or someone. 320 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 2: That's right. 321 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: She just texted me fifty six percent female, forty three 322 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: percent male. I don't know what that missing percentage is 323 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: meant to be, but. 324 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, you do, and you guys have a right to 325 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 3: exist as well, and I will fight for you politically 326 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 3: and physically. 327 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 2: That's fair. 328 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: Shame on me, Shame on me. 329 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 7: I'm right, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I really didn't 330 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 7: think about it. I just responded to the information I 331 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 7: was given, and I'm so sorry. 332 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 2: Oh man, Yeah. 333 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: I don't think that I think about this in a 334 00:16:55,760 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: gender sense, but I am interested, I guess in in 335 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: hearing maybe this continues for a little bit, in hearing 336 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: more about what we're doing for this loneliness epidemic. 337 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 2: I am. 338 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 3: I do think we do, if I were to really 339 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 3: think about it, I do think we scratch maybe an 340 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 3: itch for the non hyper masculine black men that you 341 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 3: don't hear. 342 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: About as much social sory, right. 343 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 3: I think a lot of podcasts, specifically, it's a lot 344 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 3: of dudes, tell you, because we don't even. 345 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 2: Talk about like sex that much. I don't know. 346 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe we do because we're a little freakys or whatever, 347 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 3: but like, but like we don't talk about I don't 348 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 3: think we talk negatively about women or sexual but I 349 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 3: just don't think I think that there's like so much 350 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: of the podcast space, and the black podcast space is 351 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 3: like that, and I feel like we don't. 352 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not teaching men to be men, yea, or. 353 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 2: Or how to hack women or whatever that going. 354 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: And I think in that way we're jetting a little 355 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: bit of the standard. But I am curious to hear 356 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: a little bit more from this person as to what 357 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 1: they think we're doing, because because it's interesting. 358 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 4: Thank you for for for forming a parasocial relationship with 359 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 4: me and other dudes so that we're not so lonely anymore. 360 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 4: I love you, David, I love you length so much. 361 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 3: Okay, that was It sounds like the voicemail you played 362 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 3: at the beginning of a rap. 363 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 2: Song like that. I love so much much. I'm glad. 364 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 2: I'm glad, bro, I'm glad, I am I'm glad that 365 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 2: you like it. 366 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't, We certainly didn't step out of our 367 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: houses with that plan, but but we're glad that you 368 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: feel that way. 369 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 3: And honestly, to hear your voice, you don't even sound 370 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 3: like the kind of guy I thought was involved in 371 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 3: that loneliness epidemic. 372 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and frankly, let's let's talk a little bit about 373 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: the loneliness epidemic. I think I think in some ways 374 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: and this is just my feeling. I think some of 375 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: that loneliness epidemic is man made. It is a lot 376 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 1: of things that while you may feel alone, you may 377 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: feel like you're disconnected from community, there is always community 378 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: to build, to have to find that doesn't have to 379 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: just be tethered to a podcast that you enjoy listening. 380 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 2: I also sometimes feel like a lot of what the 381 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 2: idea of the masculine man was tethered to the idea 382 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 2: of women being subservient or less then, so it's just 383 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 2: people dealing with women being equal and okay, and all 384 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 2: of a sudden they're like, I don't know how to 385 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 2: be a man anymore. And it's like, no, she could. 386 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: She could do whatever she wants. 387 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 3: You can still be a man, bro, You can still 388 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 3: carry all that masculine energy and all that. 389 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 2: You just don't also have to fucking have women seem 390 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: below you. 391 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna cook for you, and that's okay. 392 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, but you could still be a man within that. 393 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 3: You can still lift weights or whatever. 394 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can. 395 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: You can be whatever you want to be, and you 396 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: can find a community of people who also feel exactly 397 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: the way that you feel. You just have to step 398 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: outside of yourself and frankly, this podcast enough to be 399 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: able to find those individuals. 400 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, come. 401 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: To a live show. 402 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 2: No, yeah, but give us your money? Yeah please, yeah, 403 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 2: we want your money. Keep listening. 404 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to say I love you, but I 405 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 3: appreciate your support. 406 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 2: I'm begging for it. Yeah. 407 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: I want you to find your special community and not 408 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: not only need us, I guess. 409 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 410 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. 411 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 3: That was weird though, because when I think about male loneliness, 412 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 3: this epidemic, guys, I never think it's somebody who. 413 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:55,479 Speaker 2: Will be listening to this pocket. 414 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 3: Maybe it's bigger than Maybe it's bigger than I imagine it. 415 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: You know what it is? I think. 416 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: I think that as we grow, we we stretch our 417 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: arms further and further, and then you start to just 418 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 1: touch people that weren't originally aiming for you. 419 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? If you reach your 420 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 2: arms out far enough and I'm sorry that this is 421 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 2: making you. I don't love the way that you were 422 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 2: doing your fingers. I did not like. 423 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: Okay, well I apologize it is okay, keep going, No 424 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: is it really makes it hard to keep going when 425 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: you hate it that much. 426 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 2: But I. 427 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: Watched you look at my hands with an active disgust 428 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: that made me self aware even as I attempted to 429 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: land what I thought was a pretty thoughtful idea, what 430 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: I thought was a well a well shaped perspective. And 431 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: then I watched you contu. 432 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 2: Too. That was bro, that was my job. Masculinity is 433 00:21:54,280 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 2: not I thought we were. That's really what I said. 434 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: That ship flares up to me. 435 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 3: That's how you know toxic masculinity is inherent, because that's 436 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 3: not like a learned behavior, that's just I just felt 437 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 3: that way about that for some reason. 438 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: Right, you haven't seen enough people wiggle their fingers to 439 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: even know if that like is something that bothers you. 440 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 2: But then you found out today. 441 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry to be the person. 442 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 2: No, it's okay, man, it's about growth. We got to 443 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 2: learn ourselves. 444 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: I do think that maybe we are just expanding in 445 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: a way that we are touching people who did not 446 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: originally plan to be touched, and I think that that's 447 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: that's kind of nice. 448 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 2: I'm gonna move on. I want to be good. They 449 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 2: didn't want to. 450 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 3: Think about when I said, pause, what I texted you 451 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 3: the other day. 452 00:22:51,800 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 2: Like, I'm trying should we do another one, Oh, can 453 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 2: we talk about this doodoo? Weeah, we didn't. We just 454 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 2: have to get it out. That's their. 455 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: David and I went driving to the studio today witnessed 456 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: something you don't witness often. 457 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: It was incredible. 458 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 3: It was incredible because we were riding a high because 459 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 3: you had gotten in that altercation of that with that lady. 460 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 2: And I laughed in her face. Thanks. 461 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 3: It was very funny. A woman yelled at him on 462 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 3: the street for driving into the intersection. 463 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: To make a right turn when when she was very 464 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: far from from the actual. 465 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 2: Too far to have any opinion on what he was. 466 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: Doing, would not have made it in time to cross 467 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: the street either way, but was just angry at the 468 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: concept of me having crossed the crosswalk before the green light. 469 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: And she said what she said, you asshole, You're not 470 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:56,719 Speaker 1: supposed to do that. 471 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 2: You how did you say? You have to just recreate 472 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 2: what you said? She said? 473 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: She said, she said, hey, asshole, you're not supposed to 474 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 1: do that. And I rolled down the window. I poked 475 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: my head out and I said, you talk nice, Yeah, 476 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: you talk nice to me. 477 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 2: You'd be nice. You're talking nasty. You're being mean. 478 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 1: You're a nasty lady. And then she kept cursing. She said, 479 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 1: fuck you, fuck you. You're not supposed to do that. 480 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: You're a piece of shit. And then she got so 481 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: afraid of I think the interaction, even as I just 482 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: kept screaming, you'd be nice, you'd be nice, you. 483 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 3: Didn't raise his tone either, which was that was the 484 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 3: coldest part about it, the best part. 485 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: And then she got so afraid of just me, I guess, 486 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: sort of doing whatever I was doing that she decided 487 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: to move in a different direction. But but then as 488 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: you also yelled out, though she yelled out as I 489 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: pulled off, I said, you'd be nice, you work on yourself. 490 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: As I pulled off, she said, I hate you. 491 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 2: I hate you. So we were riding that high. We 492 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: were doing great. 493 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 3: We were in the car. We were so funny. We 494 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 3: were riding that Hi, it's hilarious, what a funny confrontation. 495 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 2: And we. 496 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 3: Dropped fast, I believe, a white hando cord with the 497 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 3: door open, a man leaning over, and it's like, you know, 498 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 3: when something awesome, it is so awesome. 499 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 2: You can't cute immediately. 500 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 3: It took me like two seconds past and we both 501 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 3: kind of were like, I think I just should. 502 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 2: Have said he was covered to he was covered. 503 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 5: He had dookie so far up his back like an infant, 504 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 5: like like an infant child. 505 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 2: He had ship through. 506 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 5: And we have to be clear because some of you 507 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 5: are gonna be thinking to yourself, well, maybe this was 508 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 5: ann house person. 509 00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 2: Maybe this was a person in needing. 510 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: You guys are laughing at a person at their own 511 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: at their own expense. 512 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 2: That is not the case. That's why he was so good. 513 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 2: This was just a god. This was a regular man 514 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 2: who's a guy who has a car, who. 515 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 5: Was driving down the street, lost control of insanis. 516 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 2: Ship everywhere. This ship looks like a new continent. And 517 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 2: he was wearing white underwear. 518 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, white underwear, and you could just see it up 519 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: his fucking back. It was It was a nightmare. It 520 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: was the worst ship. I've ever seen a person. Yeah 521 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: I have, and I've seen somebody ship on the street. 522 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: I have two children, Yeah, oh, I have two children. 523 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything. I've seen things like that on children. 524 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: I've never seen that much dookie per coage. 525 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 2: So bro mid back, dukie mid back. 526 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 5: Your fro was covered in it. I wouldn't be surprised 527 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 5: we pulled up here at what noon? I wouldn't be 528 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 5: surpris as if he's still there cleaning. 529 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: No, they had to call the fire department. He couldn't 530 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 2: save himself. 531 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 3: He was and I think the best part was we 532 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 3: had seen the beginning of it, so he was he was. 533 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 2: What he was discovery like this, what have I done? 534 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 2: Oh man? Oh me, oh my, the worst is happened. 535 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 8: What do you do? 536 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 2: You want to call you one? 537 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 5: That's the thing he's thinking about who he has to 538 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 5: call because this can't He's like, can I keep this private? 539 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 2: And it's so much that he can't. He needs would 540 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 2: you call your would you call your wife? If you 541 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 2: you're that man? 542 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: Bro, I don't know what I would do me either, 543 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: think Okay, if I'm being honest, I think what I 544 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: would do is I would. 545 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 2: Fuck man. I think if I were that man, I 546 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 2: would get back in my car. 547 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 3: Yes, because we could see everybody could see. 548 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: I would not be cleaning myself outside my car. I 549 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: would get back in my car, and I think I 550 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: would just sacrifice my car to my cleanliness, meaning I 551 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: would like figure out a way to remove as much 552 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: duchie from myself inside of my car and then go 553 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: to whatever close place where I can maybe you know, shower, 554 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: wash myself. 555 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 2: Anything, right, but you saw it. It was so much. 556 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: It was so much that like, here's his car is ruined. 557 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,479 Speaker 3: Here would be the worry for me is that, like 558 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 3: I almost feel like you gotta go home. You got 559 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 3: I don't know where he lives, but you gotta like 560 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 3: just drive home because if you're trying to you can't. 561 00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 3: What do you what are you gonna put? You can't 562 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 3: peel it? It was everywhere, y'all. 563 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 2: No, he's not. 564 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: Let me be clear, I don't believe him to be 565 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: going to wherever he thought he was going. 566 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 2: Now right, you know what I mean? 567 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: Like, I don't think he's still gonna be able to 568 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: like hit the spot and play cool. I think that's 569 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: a that's a day's work. He's got ahead of him 570 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: one way or the other. But I'm saying that, like, 571 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: ultimately I would feel the need to clean myself before 572 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: I even stepped foot. 573 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 2: In my own home. That's fair. I could not arrive 574 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 2: to my family with that much doochie on me. You 575 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 2: wouldn't call Nikki get the hoss. 576 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: We gotta still love each other man again, I still 577 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: need this. I've committed to life with this person. 578 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 2: I can't. 579 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: I can't risk that. 580 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, that's I like that. You put the steaks 581 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 3: his life. It is life steaks. 582 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 2: This is life stakes for him. 583 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: And we drove pass giggling like bitches. 584 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I haven't laughed that hard in a minute. 585 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 3: That was because it's so funny, because we both realized 586 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 3: that exactly so much shit. 587 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 5: But we also realized that we weren't even laughing at 588 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 5: the first peats. 589 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 2: We weren't just like, oh, he shipped himself. 590 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 5: And then it wasn't until like a block later that 591 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 5: we were like, yo. 592 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 2: So funny. That was crazy, That was insane. 593 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 3: Oh man, all right, We probably gave too much time 594 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 3: to that, but I just had to get it out. 595 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: Well, you you were right to bring it up. We 596 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: need to take a break. We're gonna come back. We're 597 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: gonna do another voicemail more David Moore Langston more. 598 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 2: Ma Mama told me. 599 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 9: But we're gonna do this respectfully, otherwise we'll end in 600 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 9: a duel, and I mean a duel, real life duel. 601 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 2: We're only one person walks away. 602 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 9: We can meet with guns, bottles, knives, or books and equations, 603 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 9: but we're gonna do this like man, so get ready. 604 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 3: We are back that with a clip that is in 605 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 3: no way foreshadowing. 606 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 2: Here to listen to another voicemail. 607 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 3: After a long, long talk about Dookie. 608 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: We talked about Dookie for longer than we probably should. 609 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: But but that's not our problem. We're enjoying ourselves. 610 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 2: It's just what we were going through at the time. 611 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I tell you to sell Dookie. All right, here 612 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: we go. We got another voicemail. Let's listen to this one. 613 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 8: Hi, David, Hi lind. I want to say I appreciate 614 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 8: the podcast, very enlightening, and I do want to say 615 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 8: I know that. 616 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 2: You do. 617 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 8: Read and also research a lot. I know that you 618 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 8: also read, and I've been fans of you and not 619 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 8: really know it until i've actually like started to watch. 620 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 2: Pause turn it down. This is too much. 621 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't know what we read and don't read. 622 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 2: I trust you. It's not as much as you think. 623 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 2: I'll tell you this. I read a lot at a point. Yeah, 624 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 2: I haven't done that in a while. It was going 625 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 2: to eighth grade. I wanted free pizza. Yeah, I got smart. 626 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: I got smart for a time and then I really 627 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: checked out after that. 628 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 3: I think you could kind of just front load it though, 629 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 3: like smart shit, you just I think if you go 630 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 3: real hard on the smart ship till twenty seven, probably 631 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 3: I think you. 632 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: I think you can be just sort of smart enough 633 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: for the rest of your life and not have to 634 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: really worry about too many things. 635 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 3: I've gone very far on a high school education. I'm 636 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 3: on college, but I ain't do the work. Yeah, I 637 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 3: was like, I worked hard in high school. 638 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 2: I got it. 639 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: I was at the innermural gym a lot. 640 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 8: All right, well, excuse me watch and listening to the 641 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 8: podcast anyway. My mom has told me a few organ 642 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 8: music that typically people that are late bloomers in high school, 643 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 8: specifically as a loner black ones who are just not 644 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 8: very social and unattractive during that awful time typically tend 645 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 8: to be uh the social butterflies flash pretty attractive when 646 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 8: they get older. I mean that, I personally, for myself, 647 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 8: very awkward, didn't talk to. 648 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 2: A lot of people. 649 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 8: But as I've gotten older, I feel though I've become 650 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 8: much really attractive. 651 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,239 Speaker 1: I like that she's like speaking for myself. Yeah, had 652 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: a hard time, but now I'm fine, and shit, yeah 653 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: I grew up. 654 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 3: I don't believe this. I think this is a big 655 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 3: This is a lie, big ugly is pushing out. I 656 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 3: I want you to think that there's some secret virtue 657 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 3: to be. 658 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 2: I can't even get it out. I understand wanting to 659 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 2: think this, but I think it might just be some 660 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 2: people are just sour and don't like people, and some 661 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 2: people are not social, and some people never grow into that. 662 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 3: I don't think we got to stop caring about what 663 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 3: happened in high school, bro. 664 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: I do think I think sometimes we put a lot 665 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: of stock into what people were in high school in 666 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 1: a way that probably isn't true, even for the people 667 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: that lived the experience, even the people who we. 668 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 2: Were like, man, he fucking he was the best in 669 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 2: high school. He was so cool? 670 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 1: Like how much of that was that person also experiencing 671 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: as like the championship were framing it as and how 672 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: much of it was like I don't know. They had 673 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: their insecurities and their shit they were working through and 674 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: not really like celebrating the way we think they were. 675 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 3: They were fourteen to eighteen. Yeah, and if you were 676 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 3: the greatest that you were from fourteen to eighteen, you 677 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 3: blew it. 678 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I was pretty cool in high school, but 679 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 1: I wasn't. No, But I just mean like I wasn't 680 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: like I wasn't the king of the school by any means, right, 681 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: But I was cool enough that everybody fucked with me. 682 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: I didn't have any of like that weird shit of 683 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: being bullied or like outcasted in any way. I got 684 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: along with everybody. Everybody was like, no, Liston's a cool dude. 685 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 1: But also, you know what I mean, Like, it's not 686 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: like I looked at the people who were being bullied 687 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: down like now those are the sexy ones now, yeah, 688 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: like the niggas that were sexy in high school still 689 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 1: kind of. 690 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 2: Are Yeah yeah, I mean are you are you gonna 691 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 2: go to your twentieth I'm tempted. 692 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: It's it feels also like a complete waste now that 693 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:00,720 Speaker 1: I like have a family. 694 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 3: Oh, interesting, you're not gonna but you're trying to go 695 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 3: clean up unfinished business. 696 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 1: No, it's not that, although that would be nice, I'm saying, 697 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 1: like I'm thinking more just like the idea that I 698 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: would have to like bring my whole family to Chicago 699 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 1: so that I could go to my high school reunion 700 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,399 Speaker 1: feels like excess. It feels like what am I doing 701 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: that for? But on the flip side, maybe I'm doing 702 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: it because those people did make a meaningful imprint on 703 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,439 Speaker 1: a major part of my life for a long time. 704 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Are you gonna go? I 705 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 2: don't think so. Stop pushing it right now. I don't. 706 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: I don't really Did you go to your ten I 707 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:45,399 Speaker 1: just don't. 708 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 3: I think that I went to So I went to 709 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 3: high schools, but the one I went to mostly was 710 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 3: a smaller school. So they all went to school with 711 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 3: each other because it was in a small area. They 712 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,760 Speaker 3: all went to school with each other like their whole life. Yeah, 713 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 3: I got there halfway through ninth grade and I left 714 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 3: home halfway through twelfth grade. So it's like I think 715 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 3: sometimes they kind of group you in as having grown 716 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 3: up with them forever, and it's like, oh, I wasn't 717 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 3: really around as much as you thought, Because sometimes I'll 718 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 3: talk to you a buddy from high school, be like, 719 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,320 Speaker 3: remember in seventh grade, I'm no I was. 720 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: Oh, They're like, oh I thought you were more a 721 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: part of our community than you actually are. 722 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 3: Or not that or maybe and maybe that's me too, 723 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,760 Speaker 3: just having a very transient, transient life. Maybe it doesn't 724 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,439 Speaker 3: have as big an impact on me either. 725 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 1: M that like the things that could have meant something 726 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: would would maybe you know, not as important to you 727 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: as you thought. Yeah, don't damn I yeah, huh. Let's 728 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,760 Speaker 1: keep listening because I feel like, you know, maybe she 729 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,720 Speaker 1: she has she's saying she. 730 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 2: Had her glow up. 731 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: Let's see if there's other examples. 732 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 8: What I've been told also, and you know, pretty popular, 733 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 8: but that comes with strange stereotypes and things like that and. 734 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 4: Some that are made. 735 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,399 Speaker 2: Here's my issue. I don't she sounds fine as hell. 736 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 2: She does sound fine. I can tell she fine, But 737 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 2: I don't like grown ups being popular, you know what 738 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 2: I mean? Like, what is that? You don't like it? 739 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 2: But that's real? Is it? Do you think they're a 740 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 2: popular grown up? Yeah? Nigga, what are we trying to do? 741 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 9: Yeah? 742 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm saying there's there's there's popular people in 743 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 2: every single social situation. 744 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: You're saying, regardless of celebrity. Celebrity to me is a 745 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: different thing. 746 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 747 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 3: I think I think that there's popular people at work. 748 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,800 Speaker 3: You never had a job where there's just like everybody 749 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 3: loves Rick. Yes, I think I don't. 750 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,359 Speaker 2: Think it ever changed. 751 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 10: You think that continues to yah and I think whereas 752 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 10: a lot of people don't maybe get more successful in 753 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 10: their life, I think a lot of people who there's 754 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 10: a lot of people who are naturally popular who stay 755 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,280 Speaker 10: not naturally popular. 756 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that. I think, Yeah, I don't 757 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 2: think that ever changes. I don't think that. 758 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 3: I think you can change your trajectory and how you 759 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 3: fit in it, like this fine ass lady, right. I 760 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 3: think I think that that's and I think I think 761 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 3: that's why high school is such a bad barometer, because 762 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 3: you're literally a kid, right, you're fourteen to eighteen. So yeah, 763 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 3: of course you could flip how you what your dynamic is. 764 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 3: But yeah, I think there's I don't think I've ever 765 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 3: been in a situation there's popular people in prison, there's 766 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 3: there's true there's you know. 767 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: What I mean, You're right, I'm I'm maybe being a 768 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: little shortsighted when I question the use of popularity. I 769 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: think it to me rings of a childishness. I guess 770 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: is maybe the most pejorative way to say it. But 771 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: like that that I don't love. But I also recognize 772 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: to your point that regardless of whether or not it 773 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: is child brain, it is the way that we live 774 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: as people. 775 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that. And I think one reason maybe 776 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 3: that people I'm just I'm just thinking this now. I 777 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 3: think one reason maybe that people to put so much 778 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 3: emphasis on who they were in high school is high 779 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:03,359 Speaker 3: school is like the roles that are defined. There are 780 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 3: kind of the roles that that you will see throughout life. 781 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 3: What your role is Like you could move around because 782 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 3: you're fourteen eighteen and you're figuring yourself out, but. 783 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:13,959 Speaker 2: The role still. 784 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 3: But the actual that there's always going to be a 785 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 3: class clown, there's always going to be a popular kid. 786 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 3: There's always going to be a classrooms. Look, there's also 787 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, like all that all that 788 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,280 Speaker 3: are the jocks, the all the things exist. Whether you 789 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 3: buy into it for yourself is the question in who 790 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 3: you ultimately end up being. Maybe you are a popular kid, 791 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 3: but then you didn't have the confidants or whatever. But 792 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 3: those basic like kind of social archetypes. I don't know 793 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 3: why I said classroom slut. That wasn't nice, But those architects. 794 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 2: Think slut has to be just girls. That's true. 795 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: I think there were boy sluts, yeah a lot. Yeah, 796 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 1: I think it can be everybody. 797 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 3: But the point is, like I think that that's when 798 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 3: those kind of stick around forever. And I think because 799 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,839 Speaker 3: people constantly see those, that's why they tie so much 800 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 3: of their high school identity to themselves, where it's just 801 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 3: like now it's just who you were, then you could 802 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 3: be whoever, but it's like that is kind of who 803 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 3: people are. 804 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:06,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 805 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: I get that. Let's let's keep listening. 806 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:15,839 Speaker 8: But yeah, uh, the weird pro black girls, well not 807 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 8: socially pro black girl that time became super radicalized without 808 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 8: needing to go to college. Specifically for me, based on 809 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,800 Speaker 8: the depth of Treyvon Martin and with that social awareness, 810 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 8: I was not older have become extremely radicalized, super pro black, 811 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:40,879 Speaker 8: and super social. But because I live in Atlanta sometimes 812 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 8: so niggas don't hear this. So see Organdy and yeah, 813 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 8: I'd like to hear y'all about it. 814 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:58,879 Speaker 3: Hey, how yo, okay, audios, it's crazy that Trayvon got 815 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 3: you fine, not gonna riff on it. 816 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 9: No. 817 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 2: As soon as it came out of my mouth, I 818 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,719 Speaker 2: was like, this is a missake. Yeah you did. 819 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,319 Speaker 1: You did the best joke that could come out of that. 820 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 3: It was the best joke that could come out of it. 821 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 3: It's not because it's the thing. There's no there's no 822 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,240 Speaker 3: morality in humor. Sometimes we're just gonna say bad stuff. 823 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I cut myself off. I was like, no, 824 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,479 Speaker 1: everything I'm thinking is is not good. 825 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 3: And you were smart because I think we could get 826 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,879 Speaker 3: away with just that part. Had it expanded, that's when 827 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:31,840 Speaker 3: it would have been real. 828 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,879 Speaker 1: That we've been doing this art the same amount of time. 829 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,399 Speaker 1: I felt it, You felt it. Yeah, we all walked 830 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: away clean. 831 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting good. We're getting good at podcasting. Boy. 832 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:50,480 Speaker 2: Uh no, man, uh yeah, I don't know. I feel 833 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,319 Speaker 2: like she seems like maybe there's a lot going on. 834 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 1: I will say that the addition of the Trayvon Martin 835 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,799 Speaker 1: sort of like information inside of this feels like you 836 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: became more activated in a community that learned to love 837 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 1: you as you. Oh that's a good point, you you 838 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,879 Speaker 1: know what I mean that Like previously maybe you were 839 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: sort of like not fully activating your voice or not 840 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 1: fully inside of your skin the way that you wanted 841 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 1: to be. And then as you became more in your skin, 842 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,600 Speaker 1: you became more beautiful because of that, right right, Like 843 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 1: this isn't but you yeah, like and more people who 844 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,839 Speaker 1: look like you, or at least like connect to you, 845 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,759 Speaker 1: are able to now see you as beautiful, whereas previously 846 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,799 Speaker 1: maybe you felt like, well, I'm I'm I don't know 847 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: who I am, and I'm so I'm surrounding myself with 848 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 1: a bunch of people who don't see me the way 849 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: I want to be seen, and boom here I am. 850 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 3: I get that because that's how I felt like in 851 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 3: high school, right, because I went to a regular school 852 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,919 Speaker 3: and then I transferred to a super rural, mostly white 853 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,839 Speaker 3: people's school, and it was like I was, like, am 854 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 3: I like the last half of high school? I had 855 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 3: my friends from my old school still, but like I 856 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,480 Speaker 3: was the only person who like listen to the music 857 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,280 Speaker 3: that I did, like really like cultural touchdowns that I kept, 858 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,720 Speaker 3: And I think that caused me to be very confused 859 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 3: on my place within blackness. So I get that. But 860 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,759 Speaker 3: also I understand being radicalized. I never thought about the 861 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 3: idea of what if all that stuff happened when you were. 862 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:20,800 Speaker 2: In high school? 863 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy, Like there were kids who went were 864 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,359 Speaker 3: in high school like during the Floyd protests, and. 865 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,120 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, we didn't have any. 866 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 1: We didn't have any crazy black stuff in our high 867 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,080 Speaker 1: school years, we had national shit. 868 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 2: We had not a national shit, yeah. 869 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,280 Speaker 1: Which was jarring in a multitude of ways. 870 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 2: But it did not feel personal though. No. 871 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 1: And it was the first time I would say, as 872 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: a kid where I truly did feel like that patriotism worked, 873 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,439 Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like every other time 874 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,480 Speaker 1: that patriotism got presented as like we're all coming together 875 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 1: as a country, it was like big swaths of the 876 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 1: country they'd be like, no, not us, We're not a 877 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,520 Speaker 1: part of that. But like nine to eleven was like 878 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,359 Speaker 1: everybody was into America for a little bit. 879 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,760 Speaker 3: Did that make you nervous though, because I always felt 880 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,840 Speaker 3: othered on that. I remember that nine to eleven happened. 881 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 3: And then this kid, Mohammed this is my first high 882 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 3: school he got hit. He got hit by a car 883 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 3: in the school parking lot like a week later. I 884 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,319 Speaker 3: remember he didn't even think it was anything. I was like, oh, no, man, 885 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:27,879 Speaker 3: you know what I mean? 886 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, because because that was the white people timing just 887 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 1: were so crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I never thought it 888 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,880 Speaker 1: would move to in my favor, but I'd be lying 889 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 1: if I said that. 890 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,640 Speaker 2: It immediately scared me the day, you know what I mean? 891 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: The first, like we got a flock run I know something. 892 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,160 Speaker 1: There was a part of me that was like, maybe 893 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 1: we do. I was fourteen, Yeah, see what's crazy. I 894 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 1: didn't rally around. I just I just was able to 895 00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: see the shift, and I was like, this is great. 896 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,919 Speaker 1: It was like because I remember I never really heard 897 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,719 Speaker 1: the word patriot before that shit happened, and then all 898 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 1: of a sudden everybody was saying it. 899 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 3: You could tell people were scared. That shit made me 900 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,480 Speaker 3: feel that was the fear of nine to eleven for me. 901 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,440 Speaker 1: No that that, I think I felt far more fear 902 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,800 Speaker 1: than I felt activism is my point. But I'm saying 903 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,240 Speaker 1: that I believed the unit, the unity for a moment. 904 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 1: There was a moment where it did feel unified. And 905 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:31,960 Speaker 1: then you spend you know, a few weeks, frankly sort 906 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,400 Speaker 1: of like watching the new interpretations of whose responsibility this 907 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 1: is and how we should treat the people who we 908 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,799 Speaker 1: claim to be responsible, and you go, oh, no, no, 909 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 1: this isn't this isn't that, this is not unity. This 910 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: was just a reaction to, to frankly, one of the 911 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,439 Speaker 1: more horrifying things that could happen to a country. 912 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 2: I mean, ultimately, we're glad you got fine as hell. Yeah, congratulates, 913 00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:57,439 Speaker 2: that's really good. 914 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. 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