Speaker 1: Welcome into Buccaneers inside Er Live, presented by Miller. Like
Speaker 1: Casey Phillips, here was senior writer and editor Scott Smith,
Speaker 1: and one week from today we will finally be knowing
Speaker 1: some things about the draft. After months of prognosticating and
Speaker 1: evaluating and talking about it, we're finally on the final
Speaker 1: countdown here, So of course it's going to be a
Speaker 1: very draft centered inside Er Live that we have here,
Speaker 1: and any questions you have about that or anything else
Speaker 1: with the Buccaneers you can put underneath our live video
Speaker 1: on Facebook and the comments section. We'll get to those
Speaker 1: in a few minutes, but for now, as we give
Speaker 1: people a chance to do that. Jason Light spoke to
Speaker 1: the media this week, the man of the hour, the
Speaker 1: man everybody wants to know a thousand things from, but
Speaker 1: the man who also will tell us very little about
Speaker 1: what they're going to do on purpose. So from what
Speaker 1: he get, what he was able to give you, guys,
Speaker 1: were there anythings that you felt like gave you some nuggets,
Speaker 1: some insights, something that you found interesting about what he said?
Speaker 1: You got it right on the head there, that this
Speaker 1: is an annual thing. Probably most teams do it. That
Speaker 1: your general manager speaks before or the draft, and it's
Speaker 1: an exercise in the media asking questions they hope he'll
Speaker 1: talk about and him strategy. But he does talk I think,
Speaker 1: pretty candidly about some of his processes when it comes
Speaker 1: to drafting. And you know, every He'll tell you every
Speaker 1: every draft pick, even in the first round, is a
Speaker 1: coin f lift there. There are a lot of them
Speaker 1: are just not gonna work out. But to try to
Speaker 1: increase your chances of success, there are a few things
Speaker 1: he does and tries not to do. And one of
Speaker 1: the big ones for Jason is never to push need
Speaker 1: too high, is the way he put it, So don't.
Speaker 1: He's got his board set up, I need and best player,
Speaker 1: and what he wants most of all is for those
Speaker 1: two to collide at the top. Whatever the players have
Speaker 1: to the top both lists, and that's the perfect outcome.
Speaker 1: And um, that's what he's gonna try to do. So
Speaker 1: let's just take, for an example, let's say the Buccaneers.
Speaker 1: He called him perceived needs, because he's clearly drawing a
Speaker 1: LINEB team what everybody says our needs and what they
Speaker 1: think our needs. Let's say a perceived need is edge
Speaker 1: rusher and the you have a here of top five
Speaker 1: of them there, and by the time it gets to you,
Speaker 1: there are none of those left, and there's a bit
Speaker 1: of a drop to the next here. But you've got
Speaker 1: players at other positions that are higher on the board.
Speaker 1: Where you make your mistake and where your gret it
Speaker 1: even a year from now, is when you just jumped
Speaker 1: down to this guy at the position of need, of
Speaker 1: greater need than anybody else, because if you think about it,
Speaker 1: at some point, with the way roster's turned over, you
Speaker 1: can make a pick at any position and you're probably
Speaker 1: gonna need it within a couple of years. Right, So
Speaker 1: you got to think about right now, but you also
Speaker 1: have him and I to the future. And it got
Speaker 1: me to thinking about um a question we took a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago about at twenty seven, are there
Speaker 1: any positions where the Bucks could reasonably get the first
Speaker 1: player off the board at that position? And I went
Speaker 1: back and looked at all of Jason Light's eight draft
Speaker 1: so far and who we took in the first round,
Speaker 1: and there have been a couple of times where we
Speaker 1: have gotten the first guy at the position, and and
Speaker 1: recently it's worked out quite well. You know, two eighteen
Speaker 1: Vitave was the first interior defensive lineman, got him at twelve.
Speaker 1: Devon White the next year at five, the first off
Speaker 1: ball linebacker. But it doesn't always work out that way.
Speaker 1: And I think the best example there as Tristan Worf's.
Speaker 1: There was two years ago there were four players that
Speaker 1: everybody gets their blue chip tackles, to the point where
Speaker 1: when there were three of them were gone and we
Speaker 1: were sitting in four team, we traded up. We gave
Speaker 1: up a fourth round pick just to move up in
Speaker 1: one spot to make sure we got the last one.
Speaker 1: He was the last one left. He wasn't necessarily lest one.
Speaker 1: We're born. As we know, Tristan Worse worked out really
Speaker 1: really well. Yeah, and that can be the difference in
Speaker 1: how deep a draft is at a certain position where
Speaker 1: you know, there were four that teams thought were worth drafting,
Speaker 1: no matter where it was in that first round. But
Speaker 1: they're gonna be years and positions where you really only
Speaker 1: want the first guy, or you know, maybe it's a
Speaker 1: bit huge difference between the first and the fourth. And
Speaker 1: so that's going to be interesting to see how that
Speaker 1: will work this year and in terms of looking at
Speaker 1: the first three rounds or so first four rounds of particularly,
Speaker 1: we know everybody likes to focus on Thursday, but I
Speaker 1: think that we can all definitely trust that process Jason
Speaker 1: light was talking about because in his tenure here they
Speaker 1: have done pretty well, especially those those first few rounds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was another bit of I think, concrete bit of
Speaker 1: information that Jason gave us yes or on Tuesday. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people feel this way
Speaker 1: about this draft. It's not a particularly top heavy draft.
Speaker 1: There aren't a whole lot of guys, you know, must
Speaker 1: go in the top five. There's a lot of disagreement
Speaker 1: about where some guys that like defensive end ed rusher
Speaker 1: in what order they're gonna go in. Uh. And Jason
Speaker 1: said there may not be thirty guys that they have
Speaker 1: a first round grade on this year, so you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of scraping a little bit there to
Speaker 1: to at the end of the first round. But he
Speaker 1: says he does think this is a good deep draft
Speaker 1: in terms of mid round picks, that when you're picking
Speaker 1: in the second, the third, and fourth round, there are
Speaker 1: gonna be quality guys there and those are very important picks.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at this, this is just the last
Speaker 1: since two thousand seventeen, players that the Bucks have picked
Speaker 1: in the second, third, or fourth round that became really
Speaker 1: core players for the Buccaneers and that Super Bowl team
Speaker 1: and the one that went thirteen and four last year.
Speaker 1: A couple of have taken that success, unfortunately for the
Speaker 1: Bucks and moved on, like Alex Kappa and Jordan Whitehead.
Speaker 1: But those guys, right, there were key players, key core guys.
Speaker 1: That's how what the team was built on. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know we brought in Tom Brady obviously, but that team,
Speaker 1: even with Tom Brady, probably doesn't win the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: if you weren't hitting on mid round picks. And those
Speaker 1: picks are probably gonna be especially important this year in
Speaker 1: the Bucks pick at sixty in the third round, and
Speaker 1: I don't remember the exact number the fourth round pick,
Speaker 1: but yes, we're all gonna be a focused on first
Speaker 1: round pick, but these middle round picks are gonna be key. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is going to be huge, and I think that's
Speaker 1: also why some people have wondered if maybe the Bucks
Speaker 1: will try to trade down. So this is going to
Speaker 1: be a little plug for our road to the draft
Speaker 1: that we're going to shoot right after this that will
Speaker 1: come out later so that everybody can hear a little
Speaker 1: bit more about our theories on trading up, trading back,
Speaker 1: how likely that could be. And so definitely tune into
Speaker 1: the next in our final road to the draft that
Speaker 1: will be shooting after this. So I know that we
Speaker 1: in the past have talked about one of the potential
Speaker 1: positions you saw the Bucks looking at was defensive line,
Speaker 1: and it just turned out that Jason Light got asked
Speaker 1: about that. So did that give you any information? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the reason he was asked is because I'm
Speaker 1: not the only one who's been mocked drafting defensive linemen
Speaker 1: like Davante Wyatt, for example, to the Buccaneers. It's a
Speaker 1: common thing you'll see in mock drafts because it is
Speaker 1: a position where it could be some value left at
Speaker 1: the end of the first round and uh and and
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers are potentially losing a couple of players there.
Speaker 1: Jason Lights answered that the question was he brought a
Speaker 1: Vita Veay and Will Gholston and Nacho Rakeine roaches and
Speaker 1: said they like some of the young guys too, like
Speaker 1: maybe he means Benning, Pat uh Kobe Smith, maybe Patrick
Speaker 1: O'Connor who just resigned. And those are all good points,
Speaker 1: but you still you look at this in Dominican Sue
Speaker 1: and Steve McClinton. If they don't return, that's about what
Speaker 1: that's about. Eleven snaps. That's a lot of snaps lot
Speaker 1: decluding the playoffs, that's a lot of snaps replaced. And
Speaker 1: if you don't think Benning pot Away or Patrick O'Connor
Speaker 1: is going to step up and take another five hundred snaps,
Speaker 1: which you know, I don't think you can predict that
Speaker 1: confidently right, then you probably do need some more. Now,
Speaker 1: Jason's point was the draft isn't the only way to
Speaker 1: get There's still more free agency. There's undrafted fre agency,
Speaker 1: there's trades. You specifically mentioned how the trade deadline didn't
Speaker 1: happen until you know, months and months from now, and
Speaker 1: and he did trade for Stephen Clinton a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago. So that's a very good point. And he's right,
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers are not gonna be painted into a corner
Speaker 1: at the end of the first round or in the
Speaker 1: second round or whatever to take an interior defensive alignment.
Speaker 1: That being said, you can still see the logic why
Speaker 1: if they need and the best player intersect that would
Speaker 1: be a great pick for Buccaneers. Well, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: get into the Facebook questions now, and you mentioned trades,
Speaker 1: So I think Chris Ell is how you say this name, Chrissell?
Speaker 1: So do you think the Bucks will try to trade
Speaker 1: for Deebo Samuel? I knew that. I knew that question
Speaker 1: was the people in the office. As soon as that
Speaker 1: came out, I'm like the first question and turned out
Speaker 1: to be the first question is going to be, well,
Speaker 1: the Bucks trade for Deeviel Samuel. You know, I can't
Speaker 1: help I have to bring up that since the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl year and uh and last year too, that things
Speaker 1: you would consider implausible. You know you can when Leonard
Speaker 1: Fournett was cut, the Buck is gonna get learned from that. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, you know, Gronk all the
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown that said, So, I won't dismiss it, right,
Speaker 1: And and Deebel Samuel is a great player and you
Speaker 1: could use a lot of different stuff in the offense
Speaker 1: with him. I'm sure Tom Brady would love Dad Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 1: But you've got to consider the Bucks cap spaces nearly
Speaker 1: minimal at this point. Um, they they probably aren't going
Speaker 1: to sign anybody else else until after the draft, and
Speaker 1: it would be very difficult financially, and I know you
Speaker 1: can make it happen there there's always a way to
Speaker 1: work with the cap, but you're it's not easy, and
Speaker 1: you're you're hurting yourself down the road a little bit.
Speaker 1: And so if there's any position in which the Bucks
Speaker 1: would take on another like eighteen to twenty million dollar player,
Speaker 1: it's hard to see it being a wide receiver when
Speaker 1: you already paying Mike Evans and Chris god when the time.
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's likely. I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot more likely landing spots if he has traded, But
Speaker 1: I guess never say never, Never say never, are right?
Speaker 1: And then our next one, Daniel asked, do you think
Speaker 1: that we're going to have more offensive or defensive picks
Speaker 1: in the draft? I think defensive. I think, um, the
Speaker 1: only way that well we have We only have six
Speaker 1: picks and two of them are in the seventh round,
Speaker 1: and I challenge anybody pretty quite positions they're gonna take
Speaker 1: with two of the last tin picks draft, right, Um,
Speaker 1: so of the first four, one in each four rounds. Actually,
Speaker 1: it could be pretty even because I could see us
Speaker 1: at some point taking an offensive guard or or an
Speaker 1: offensive tackle, and I could also see us taking a
Speaker 1: running back or a tight end. So this is a
Speaker 1: bit of a cop out answer, but I think it
Speaker 1: could be pretty even in those first four, like maybe
Speaker 1: a defensive lineman, maybe a quarterback, a tied in an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. I can see that happening. And I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna make any guesses as to what you're gonna pick
Speaker 1: with pick number two, right, Yeah, that's a very good point. Um.
Speaker 1: And then we had Christina asked any news on JPP No,
Speaker 1: and Um, again, I think the Buccaneers have gone through
Speaker 1: most of what they're gonna do in free agency. I
Speaker 1: think obviously the big question marks still out there are
Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski and Domincnsue, especially Rob Gronkowski as one we
Speaker 1: all think is the most likely to return. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no news on that, and I don't really think
Speaker 1: I'm expecting any. Okay, And then our final one, we
Speaker 1: kind of talked about this, but Chad wanted to know
Speaker 1: do you go after a Titan later in the raft
Speaker 1: and then anywhere on groun kits. So I think part
Speaker 1: of this is also if we were to draft to
Speaker 1: tight end, where do you think in the draft that
Speaker 1: might happen. It depends on how important of a need
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers think that is. Because we're and we're gonna,
Speaker 1: like you said, we're gonna talk about trade scenarios in
Speaker 1: the next in our next road to the draft here
Speaker 1: in a minute, um, But if you were, if you
Speaker 1: were to think that's like one of their top needs
Speaker 1: on their board, then I could see it like a
Speaker 1: trade down. You won't find a mock draft that has
Speaker 1: a tight end in the first round. Went through twenty
Speaker 1: of them in five minutes yesterday. Couldn't find a single
Speaker 1: tight end. But the consensus top tight end is Trade
Speaker 1: McBride of Colorado State. And one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: he is at the top is he's already a good
Speaker 1: pass catcher who's a big guy who they think can
Speaker 1: be a blocker. So he can be that kind of
Speaker 1: rare to way tight end like a Rob Gronkowski that
Speaker 1: you're trying to find, and that guy could get down
Speaker 1: the field right away and two tight ends instead's even
Speaker 1: if Rob Gronkowski is here, and he could be a
Speaker 1: very important player. If Rob Gronkowski is not here, So
Speaker 1: if the Buccaneers were to maybe trade back, it might
Speaker 1: need it could be a second round target, but there's
Speaker 1: enough depth in the middle rounds of that position, like
Speaker 1: a Kay Dot and or a Gelanni Walker, that the
Speaker 1: Bucaneers could get a guy in a third or fourth round.
Speaker 1: So if our if our guests and I would think
Speaker 1: they go somewhere else with their first pick, but a
Speaker 1: Titan could be possible in the second, third round. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: that is going to do it for us on this
Speaker 1: edition of Buccaneers Insider Live presented by Miller Lte. Thanks
Speaker 1: for all of those questions, and we hope you guys
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Speaker 1: gonna be doing next Thursday, right before the Draft. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be doing it from the Draft party that's here
Speaker 1: at Raymond James Stadium, and we're also gonna be streaming
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