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Speaker 1: house honors, and then Jim Hanifon was there. We brought

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Speaker 1: there's four guys off that offense that are in this

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Speaker 1: next absolutely, and I'm sure all these guys, many of

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Speaker 1: And to my count I was trying to I was

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Speaker 1: two movies that you have been You were not in,

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Speaker 1: but somebody played you, I know, Invincible, which was like

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Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, and then more recently The American Underdog

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Speaker 1: Greg Kenear I believe played you in the other one.

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Speaker 1: How weird is that? Is it? Is it cool? Or

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Speaker 1: is it awkwards? It weird? Is uncomfortable to watch someone

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Speaker 1: play you in a movie. It wasn't as factual as

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Speaker 1: it could be. But like they told me, you know,

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Speaker 1: They did a good job of telling the story. Vince

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. I saw it three times because I

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. I think they did a real good,

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Speaker 1: they really told a deeper story than just Kurt Warner

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Speaker 1: and football. Absolutely, and you you started out in high school,

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Speaker 1: you worked away up to u c l A. You're

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Speaker 1: a coach of the Bruins before you went to the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And I gotta ask you now, I'm based in l

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Speaker 1: A here, Dick and U c l A. One of

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Speaker 1: in the rose Ball. I believe it wasn't the mid seventies.

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Speaker 1: U c l A is going to the big pen

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Speaker 1: with USC as an old Bruin back in the day.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts on the new look college football landscape, Well,

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Speaker 1: I think in some ways it will be very good.

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Speaker 1: You will present U c l A to a better

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Speaker 1: cities and all that. I think it will disappoint a

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Speaker 1: lot of the old fashioned lunge in southern California. You

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Speaker 1: know that they may not want to go to Coumbus, Ohio.

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Speaker 1: They may not want to come into Wisconsin on a weekend,

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Speaker 1: you know where that before they get go to Oregon,

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Speaker 1: So in the long run, it's all about business. You know,

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Speaker 1: it costs a lot of money and running athlete program now,

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Speaker 1: and I think U c l A. I was also

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Speaker 1: programs are. And uh yeah, I think it'll eventually would

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Speaker 1: when I first heard it. Yeah, it's the Big ten

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Speaker 1: Rutgers all the way to l A. It's it's really

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Speaker 1: a whole new it's a whole new world here in

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Speaker 1: uh in college football and but just in general though, Dick,

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Speaker 1: when you started, you know, it was you've really seen

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Speaker 1: big the business of football is. What goes through your head,

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Speaker 1: just like coaches sours. You know, I went to the Eagles.

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Speaker 1: I went to the Eagles is head football coach in

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six from making thirty thousand dollars a year

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Speaker 1: coaching the Bruins, the fifty thousand dollars a year coaching

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Speaker 1: pro football team. So you compare that with it is today.

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Speaker 1: It's payments. But yeah, I'm happy for everybody in that situation.

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Speaker 1: I'll let you go listen. Congratulations and all of fam.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to watching your speech this weekend, and

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Speaker 1: thank you, Carey buddy, Bye bye