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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Callida Health.

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Speaker 2: All right, here we are on a beautiful Tuesday in

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Speaker 2: Western New York. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you. I

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Speaker 2: should be for the last pre camp edition.

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Speaker 1: I should be on a golf course day before training camp.

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Speaker 3: Start of One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 1: And here we sit.

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Speaker 3: It is lovely beautiful out.

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Speaker 2: It's prime time here in Western New York, which makes

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Speaker 2: attending training camp all the more enjoyable. You know, we'll

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Speaker 2: get into our topic of discussion here, which is training

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Speaker 2: camp related, in just a little bit. But Steve and

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Speaker 2: I were talking about this before we came on the show.

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Speaker 2: Best part about training camp for us get.

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Speaker 3: To wear shorts to work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's pretty good, addressed like normal human beings.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Perk, great perk. And you know that it's fun too

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Speaker 1: because there's something going on besides us. You know, we've

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Speaker 1: been the only act. We've been the only light on

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Speaker 1: in this building for like a month, and now finally

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Speaker 1: this yesterday and today and now tomorrow. Of course you know,

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Speaker 1: the lights come back on, people start showing up. It's awesome.

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Speaker 1: You know, we got we got a sneak peek Brownie,

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Speaker 1: I got a sneak peak of the embedded episode that's

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Speaker 1: coming out tonight. We got to watch that today. Really,

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Speaker 1: it's good. I gotta say it's good. Those guys do

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Speaker 1: a great job putting that together. It's fun. You get

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Speaker 1: a chance to see Dalton Kincaid and Austin Knox hanging out.

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Speaker 1: Josh and all his off season antics a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: So it's a lot. Finally, it's not just you and

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Speaker 1: me here, you know, keeping the you know, keeping the

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Speaker 1: pipes from freezing and all of that stuff in the

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Speaker 1: off season. Everybody shows up and now there's a lot

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Speaker 1: going on. It's gonna be fun tomorrow. I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the first practice is scheduled for nine to forty five.

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Speaker 2: Coach McDermott will address the media about an hour prior

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Speaker 2: to that to kick off training camp. And you know,

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Speaker 2: if you've been cruising around social media, you could see

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Speaker 2: our fine folks on the social media end of things

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Speaker 2: with the Buffalo Bills. They're there already filming the walk

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Speaker 2: ups and check ins of all the players reporting to

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Speaker 2: camp today. You know, they'll have their physicals, they'll presumably

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Speaker 2: be a conditioning.

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Speaker 3: Test, which which brings me to this other subject. Steve.

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Speaker 2: You know, as a former professional athlete, what was what

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Speaker 2: was the worst conditioning test that you can remember that

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Speaker 3: Dreaded even though you knew you were in shape, you

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Speaker 3: didn't look forward to it.

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Speaker 2: Well, like there was I shouldn't say that there was

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Speaker 2: a little anxiety about nothing.

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Speaker 1: In the pros. Nothing in the pros. I was no,

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Speaker 1: because we I was always one of those guys in

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Speaker 1: Hunt and you know, we moved about. I've been on

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Speaker 1: in November of eighty six. I never I haven't left yet, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm still here. So we lived here in

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Speaker 1: the off season. So I would do all that testing

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Speaker 3: You could do it here before you report it to camp.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'd do it like on Like we would do

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Speaker 1: it yesterday and today or maybe last Thursday or Friday, okay,

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Speaker 2: Was there ever a test that you had to get

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Speaker 2: ready for that You're like, oh, man, I like, I

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Speaker 3: And I can you know, do this?

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Speaker 1: It was different, But is there a Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: different because they didn't say okay, like in college. Like

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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about is in college. In college they

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Speaker 1: say okay, you got to run this this time or

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Speaker 1: you're gonna, you know, suffer the consequence whatever those might do.

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Speaker 1: Those things might be here. You show up and say, okay,

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Speaker 1: and then they just you. They measure you against yourself.

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Speaker 1: Here at the pro level, they don't have this. All

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Speaker 1: the wide receivers must run this time and this just

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Speaker 1: It's none of that going on. It's like, okay, what's

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Speaker 3: Did you ever have to do the Cooper Run?

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that is, so I guess not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the one that I dreaded.

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Speaker 2: I either do it all through high school and then

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Speaker 3: This is for soccer.

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Speaker 2: After I finished high school, I go to college, I'm like, oh, man,

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Speaker 2: I wonder what the training is going to be.

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Speaker 3: You know, what does my college coach Havis do?

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Speaker 3: So it's a it's a run.

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Speaker 2: It's a distance run that determines your level of fitness,

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Speaker 2: particularly for soccer. It's two miles and under twelve minutes.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, no, so if you could I used

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Speaker 1: to have done that. I couldn't have done that asn't.

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Speaker 2: I used to have a lot of anxiety anxiety about that.

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Speaker 2: Now I always hit the time, right, but you got

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Speaker 2: to push yourself to hit the time. Now, if you're

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Speaker 2: not a big deal. But for other athletes you know

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Speaker 2: that will have cardiovascular demands put on them. You know,

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Speaker 2: football is obviously different from some of the other sports

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Speaker 2: because it's high intensity.

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Speaker 3: For short periods of time.

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Speaker 2: You know, there are rarely NFL plays that go more

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Speaker 2: miles per hour every single time. That's yeah, that's where

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Speaker 2: the tests for like sixty five times.

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Speaker 1: You know, you bring that up the one test I

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Speaker 1: do remember was like that. It was on a treadmill, okay,

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Speaker 3: Flat to stain it for as long as you could

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Speaker 1: That's it go into failure. Yeah, you know finger quotes failure.

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Speaker 1: So you know you hop on and go and dude,

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Speaker 1: yeah that was a crusher.

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Speaker 1: I mean and he and liability wise, Rusty Jones, who's

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Speaker 1: he goes. This is day. He was dangerous because you could.

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Speaker 3: You face plan on the treadmill.

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Speaker 1: it's dangerous, but this is what we want you to try.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, okay, and what we.

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Speaker 3: Know that's the trainer disclaimer.

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Speaker 1: In our mentality was like yeah, watch me, right, bulletproof

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Speaker 1: so I did. I think I did ninety ninety five

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Speaker 1: I wasn't right for hours after I finished it. For

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Speaker 3: Yeah, catch, I ran for like five.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't right for a long time after that test.

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Speaker 1: I was, And I don't mean just like not feeling it.

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Speaker 1: I mean I see I was lightheaded, Like yeah, like

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Speaker 1: I recovered, goodly recovered. We were going to trade places.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, chows you out. I hate you. But that's

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Speaker 1: the only one I ever remember. In college, we had

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Speaker 3: And that was the thing.

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Speaker 2: You had to develop a strategy for that too, because

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Speaker 2: even if you were in shape, you have to time

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Speaker 2: the laps out properly to leave yourself enough cushion, knowing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta you are on lap.

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Speaker 3: One or two.

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Speaker 1: You got to run that first quarter in like.

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Speaker 2: Five and a half, right, you gotta run that first

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Speaker 3: It's just not I don't care what kind of sperience.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 3: I used to waste I'd be awake at night.

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Speaker 1: You're young. I'm of the generation before there was no

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Speaker 1: sports science was you know, like you got an awe,

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Speaker 1: like tape, an aspirin to it, you know that kind

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Speaker 2: The whole lower half is cramping, right, stretch it out

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Speaker 2: and get back out there, right, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: So if you can't fix it with taping band aids,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're not tough enough to play. So that

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Speaker 1: and you know now it's yeah, they're they're way smarter.

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Speaker 3: Some Bills news to pass along.

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Speaker 2: These are just reports, nothing confirmed by the team, but

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Speaker 2: the players that reportedly worked out yesterday are expected to

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Speaker 2: be signed by the Bills. Again, nothing official from the team,

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Speaker 2: but there are multiple reports out there that former Titans

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Speaker 2: this presumably in the wake of the Nihim Heinz injury,

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Speaker 2: a non football injury. And former NFL tight end and

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Speaker 2: current USFL tight end Jay Sternberger also expected to sign

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Speaker 3: And we would presume if these in fact are accurate,

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Speaker 2: In short order, knowing training camp opens tomorrow, so we

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Speaker 2: stand by and wait to see if and when those

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Speaker 2: two reported signings become official to add to the roster,

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Speaker 2: and we'll have to see some Naturally, a roster spot

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Speaker 2: can be created by the injury suffered by Hines, how

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Speaker 2: has the other spot opened up? If in fact both

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Speaker 2: of these players signed with the club here in the

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Speaker 2: coming hours today, and we would think it's so hard.

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Speaker 1: To keep up with who's in who's out, because at

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Speaker 1: this time a training camp, a lot of coaches, well

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Speaker 1: what they're looking at. When they see these rosters, they

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Speaker 1: get their guys out, they start running them through drills,

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Speaker 1: and they have us and every night the coaching staff

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Speaker 2: Right, which then begs the question where where what other

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Speaker 1: I think I'm with you when the moment I heard this,

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Speaker 1: So I'm really interested to see these practice reps.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and how they're divided and the pecking order, et cetera,

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Speaker 2: Let's go around the NFL presented by Kalida Health, the

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Speaker 2: with good news for the Giants as they have reached

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Speaker 2: So that's a bullet dodged by the Giants on a

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Speaker 1: Let's be honest, I mean, let's fit the only guy back.

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Speaker 1: that is not where the Giants want to be. I

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Speaker 2: So unless they tag him again, I don't think they

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Speaker 3: Damage the relationship beyond repair.

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Speaker 1: Well I don't know if it's damaged or not, but

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Speaker 3: Some calab He'll be twenty seven next year. I want

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Speaker 1: It's got three years before he hits the cliff.

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Speaker 3: Well, the cliff is twenty eight according to advanced analytics, but.

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Speaker 2: He has said he wants to be a Giant for life.

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Speaker 3: That's good for them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they could use all the help they can get.

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Speaker 1: He's he was as impressive an athlete as you're ever

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Speaker 2: The other interesting development we've seen has happened again. We'll

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Speaker 2: you think, is that even a card to play anymore

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Speaker 2: in the NFL? Well, if you're a quarterback, I think

439
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Speaker 2: you can play that card. But because there's always demand

440
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Speaker 2: for and you're worth your salt, sure, you know there's

441
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Speaker 2: always demand for quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: But man, I don't know if some of these.

443
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Speaker 2: Other guys are not finding their way out of a

444
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Speaker 2: situation they don't want to be a part of, and

445
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Speaker 2: they end up having to stay where they.

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Speaker 1: Are right And I think some of it is in

447
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Speaker 1: the past. You see guys ask for trades. There's some

448
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Speaker 1: in the past there have been guys who have evolved

449
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Speaker 1: into a place in the franchise where they can make

450
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Speaker 1: a big stink during the season and cause problems for

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Speaker 1: the whole front. And now teams are their cultures and

452
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Speaker 1: things like you know, like the Bills here, they're set

453
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Speaker 1: up up to handle guys like that, So you can't

454
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 1: like leverage your way out just because you want to go.

455
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: They say, well, we only want guys that want don't

456
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Speaker 1: really want to play here. We only want guys who

457
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Speaker 1: want to play in Buffalo. We only want guys who

458
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Speaker 1: want to play in Houston. We don't want guys who

459
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Speaker 1: want to be here with the Bears, you know in

460
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Speaker 1: Chicago and the you know, name your team. We only

461
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Speaker 1: want guys like that. Now, it's falling more and more

462
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Speaker 1: on these coaching staffs say, listen, you got a guy

463
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Speaker 1: here is unhappy, but you know, you get your arms

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Speaker 1: around him and see if you can't get him to

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Speaker 1: buy in. That's your job. And coaches are taking upon

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Speaker 1: themselves to do that and to make these guys work

467
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Speaker 1: and be a productive part of it. Doesn't mean a

468
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Speaker 1: guy can't be a big enough donkey that they really

469
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Speaker 1: finally do have to get rid of him. But it's

470
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Speaker 1: harder now, it's harder, and you know, like and the

471
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Speaker 1: bills are perfect example is you know this Steph Diggs

472
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Speaker 1: thing that every we would all the meat, not us,

473
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Speaker 1: but the media at arms would love to blow that

474
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Speaker 1: up and have this one guy blow the entire thing up.

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna happen this is not gonna happen. I mean,

476
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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott and and Steph Diggs and Josh Allen Brandon,

477
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Speaker 1: those guys are in lockstep. And the culture just allows

478
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Speaker 1: you to absorb that and and handle it when it

479
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: comes up, not bail on it, you know. So that's

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Speaker 1: it's hard for these guys to squeak loud enough or

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Speaker 1: be so discontented that they force their way out, because

482
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Speaker 1: when push comes to shove, they're still making good money,

483
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Speaker 1: most of.

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Speaker 3: Them, and there's worse situations you can, that's right.

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Speaker 1: And they're saying, listen, nobody and plus what we're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: We can't cut you, We're not cutting you. And who

487
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Speaker 1: you pick where you want to go? You think they're

488
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Speaker 1: gonna say, yes, now you know, nobody's nobody's got cap space,

489
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Speaker 1: and nobody's gonna give us a We're not gonna take

490
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Speaker 1: a sixth for you, you know what I mean. So

491
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Speaker 1: they gonna find a trade partner, so they'll they'll, you know,

492
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Speaker 1: if they try and work with them, and then the

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Speaker 1: player sees that the interest just isn't there. I say,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm maybe I'm not that unhappy here

495
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Speaker 1: kind of thing so I and it runs the it

496
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Speaker 1: runs the spectrum from all of that from the guy

497
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Speaker 1: is a complete donkey, and they do get rid of

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Speaker 1: him too. No, no, no, we're gonna make it work

499
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Speaker 1: here and you're gonna like it here and let's go

500
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Speaker 1: and it goes. There's everything in between that, and every

501
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Speaker 1: guy's different. But for the most part, these coaching staffs

502
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Speaker 1: and organizations are learning how to deal with this stuff

503
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Speaker 1: in a way through the agent, through that, through conversation

504
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Speaker 1: and just sitting down talking the guy through it to

505
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Speaker 1: get him back on your side. And it works really well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is kicker news in the league as well.

507
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: The Washington Commanders signed veteran kicker Michael Badely after he

508
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Speaker 2: was a surprise cut by the Detroit Lions, where he

509
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Speaker 2: was twenty twenty four on field goal attempts last season.

510
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Speaker 2: He worked out for Washington and is expected to become

511
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Speaker 2: competition for veteran Joey Sly, who's been the kicker for

512
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Speaker 2: the Commanders in the last few years. So, even though

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Speaker 2: badly as a team again, he's got a competition on

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Speaker 2: his hands. And so I tried to remember, I said,

515
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Speaker 2: who the heck does Detroit have kick?

516
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Speaker 3: Him.

517
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Speaker 2: For them, it's Riley Patterson, who was on their roster

518
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one and then kicked for Jacksonville last

519
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: year and killed it. He was thirty to thirty five

520
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 2: last season, including let me see here, he was twelve

521
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Speaker 2: for sixteen from forty yards plus, which is pretty good.

522
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Speaker 2: So they're going with a young kid at the position.

523
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Speaker 2: And okay, like I know it's not giant news, but

524
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Speaker 2: you know, I've we've heard of Michael Badgeley. He's like

525
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: a veteran kicker in the league. He's been pretty consistent player.

526
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Speaker 2: And clearly Detroit's going upside with the young kid.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you can't. You don't do that on a whim.

528
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: So certainly the kid's been kicking well so far. Right,

529
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Speaker 1: they're not going to make this move right.

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Speaker 3: Before bigger leg.

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Speaker 1: He's bigger leg. Yeah, all that stuff. Kickoffs probably have

532
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: a little workout for it. And he's probably got the

533
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Speaker 1: special teams coordinator of Detroit in his pocket too, probably saying,

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Speaker 1: you know what, the kid's pretty good, let's give him

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Speaker 1: a shot at it. I feel good about it. He's

536
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Speaker 1: got the right to you know, everything checks all the

537
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: boxes so far, there's no reason to think when he

538
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: gets in a real game, a live game, that he's

539
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: not going to do it. So let's go cheaper and

540
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: bigger upside.

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Speaker 3: That's right, That's it.

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00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: That's the other thing to think about the rookie contract.

543
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 2: You're one hundred percent right on that. Finally, last bit

544
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 2: of news, Cowboys six time All Pro Guarden Team captain

545
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: Zach Martin, who has been unhappy about the team's lack

546
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Speaker 2: of interest in restructuring his contract, has not reported for

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Speaker 2: training camp.

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Speaker 3: That being reported by Adam Schefter, So we'll see where

549
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Speaker 3: that goes.

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Speaker 2: It's tough, man, if you're an interior offensive lineman, I

551
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 2: don't know that you got a lot of leverage.

552
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Speaker 3: I hate to say it.

553
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Speaker 1: The guy is a six time All Pro. He is,

554
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Speaker 1: He's been All Pro every year he's been. He is

555
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: almost I mean, the guy's the guy's a monster. And

556
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: let's face he played on the other side of Connor

557
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: McGovern down there in Dallas. I mean, that's you gotta

558
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: do it when you got leverage, and he's the best.

559
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: He's probably their best offensive lineman without question. I don't know.

560
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: He's already making good money. He's not making elete money

561
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: at that position. So he's making like fourteen million dollars

562
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: something like that. He's he's making thirteen million and the

563
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: and the top end is twenty So he's down a bit,

564
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: but he wants and he just wants to restructure. He

565
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: doesn't even want like an extent. Clearly he wants more

566
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: upfront money to get put in his pocket. Maybe he's

567
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: worried that he's gonna get clipped. A friend of mine

568
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: used to say, well, hey, I want a pony. You

569
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Speaker 1: don't get which that's right.

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Speaker 3: Topic of discussion today.

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Speaker 2: Deals with training camp As a Bills fan, what's your

572
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Speaker 2: favorite part about attending training camp or do you have

573
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: a training camp memory for us that still sticks in

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Speaker 2: your head and makes you crack a smile. You know,

575
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: maybe it's something that made you laugh, maybe it was

576
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: an unusual circumstance that you witnessed a training camp, or

577
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: maybe it was, you know, something you never thought would

578
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: happen and then it did at training camp.

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Speaker 3: Because this is really.

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Speaker 2: The most extensive period of time where fans can be

581
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: up close and personal with players because obviously they don't

582
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: attend practice during the season, and even if you get

583
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: in the stadium early on a game, day to try

584
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: to get down by the rail and an effort to

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00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: get a player's attention and maybe get an autograph or

586
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Speaker 2: something even that is somewhat.

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Speaker 3: Unlikely to you know, materialize for you.

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Speaker 2: So you let us know at aight o three oh

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Speaker 2: five fifty one eight eight eight five fifty two five

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Speaker 2: point fifty. As a Bills fan, what is your favorite

591
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Speaker 2: part about attending training camp? We will take a break here,

592
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Speaker 2: but we've got your phone calls coming up next here

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Speaker 2: on one Bill's Live, presented by co Loid of Health.

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Speaker 3: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, everybody, let us know your favorite part about

596
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Speaker 2: attending Bill's training camp.

597
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 3: Maybe you got a cool memory you want to share.

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00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: Fire it off at us eight O three oh five

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Speaker 2: fifty one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty

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Speaker 2: something if crazy I saw a training camp would also

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00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: apply here. I got a couple of things I'm gonna

602
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: mention when we get a chance to do so. But

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00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: we do want to get to the phones. At eight

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Speaker 2: oh three oh five point fifty one eight eight eight

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Speaker 2: five point fifty two, five fifty the number to call,

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00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: got open lines for you. But we lead off with

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Speaker 2: Jack in cheek Dowaga. What do you got for us, Jack,

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Speaker 2: You're on one Bill's Live.

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I'm an old timer. I'm seventy

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Speaker 4: seven now and I've been connected with season tickets since

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00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 4: that very first season, and I know it predates both

612
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 4: of you guys and probably anybody on your staff. But

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00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 4: the camelot In in Hamburg was, I believe, the site

614
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 4: of the first Bill's training camp, and I remember being

615
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 4: fourteen fifteen years old and riding out there with friends

616
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Speaker 4: to see, Wow, what's this new pro team going to

617
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 4: be like, and being kind of underwhelmed with the facility.

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Speaker 4: I know we've been on college campuses Predonia, Saint John

619
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Speaker 4: Fisher since then, but they are much more organized and

620
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 4: better now. But back in that we're talking pre nineteen sixty,

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Speaker 4: before the first season. I mean, the Bills look like

622
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 4: the Detroit Lions light They had the Carolina blue type

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Speaker 4: jerseys and silver helmets, and the camelot In was not

624
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 4: the most impressive facility, and I just think we all

625
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Speaker 4: left with the impression of, boy, what are we going

626
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Speaker 4: to get in this first season? Given the rather humble

627
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Speaker 4: beginnings in that first training camp, I'm wondering if there's

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Speaker 4: any archival film out there that you guys might have

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Speaker 4: access to that would show any of the preseason training

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Speaker 4: at the Camelot in. I'm going to hang out.

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Speaker 1: With the Camelot in I think. I don't know if

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00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: it's in Hamburg or whether it's Blaisdell technically, but yeah,

633
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: it's right over there off the ninety now and it was, uh,

634
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: it's all been redeveloped now, but it was that was

635
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: still standing when I actually got in town thirty five

636
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: plus years ago. They also trained at the Roycroft Inn

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Speaker 1: and the Polo Fields in East Aurora for a season

638
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: or two and that might have been. Yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: that was in the sixties with Jack Kemp and those

640
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: guys too University. Yeah, so then they've bere in Fredoni

641
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: for a long time. So yeah, there's a lot of

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00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: people who remember that. I know there's locals over inn

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Speaker 1: Ea that still talk about going down and they're like you,

644
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: they're in their mid to late seventies talking about going

645
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: down and you know, like Jack Kemp and Cookie Gilchrist

646
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: and those guys hopping onto a bus and getting shuttled

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00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: out to the edge of town for practice. So yeah,

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00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: it was it was very different Uh, it was rough.

649
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: It was you know, wooden plank benches and buckets of

650
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: water instead of coolers of water. It was pretty primitive

651
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: by today's standards. But certainly it was a chance to

652
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: be way more up close and personal with those guys

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Speaker 1: than anything you'll find today, even if you can manage

654
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Speaker 1: to get tickets to a bill's practice and as highly

655
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Speaker 1: in demand as they are.

656
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: So.

657
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Speaker 1: Yeah, back in the day, I mean you had we

658
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: were standing there practicing ten or fifteen feet from a

659
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: snow fence, a temporary snow fence.

660
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 3: A fan line snow fence.

661
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was a lot of fans there, a

662
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: lot of them, not a lot of them in the

663
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: late eighty eighty six, eight eighty seven was my first

664
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: one eighty seven, eighty eight. Then in eighty nine it

665
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: started to pick up, and of course then in ninety

666
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: you couldn't get near the place, you know, So, and

667
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: that's kind of the way there the Bills are experiencing

668
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 1: it now. It's it's that is probably as much as anything,

669
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: given the fact that some of those teams played in

670
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: the in this state in high Mark. Now it's a

671
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: different name, obviously that's the same, but all the training

672
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: camp stuff that has really changed over the years. You

673
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,959
Speaker 1: want to talk about a way to track the growth

674
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: of the league, the way they run training camps is

675
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: a good way to measure it.

676
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: I unfortunately doubt that there is any footage out there

677
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: of the first Bill's training camp. Might be some photos

678
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: floating around out there, but.

679
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody video footage, no iPhones out there, And then.

680
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: I'd be pretty surprised if there was that. Let's go

681
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 2: to Tom in Cheek de Woggan X.

682
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 3: What do you got for us? Tom?

683
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Speaker 6: Hey, guys, good afternoon. I have a couple of quick

684
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 6: stories for you. You talk about the snow fence Steve.

685
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 6: I was out of Fredonia, I don't know the year,

686
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 6: early eighties, and the guys were lining up for you

687
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 6: under one of the praxes, and they started doing kind

688
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 6: of like sprints, you know, not crazy, but sprints. And

689
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 6: there's all these guys lined up against the snow fence,

690
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 6: flying watching and Will Grant looks over and says, hey,

691
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 6: and he is to feel like join in and help yourselves,

692
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 6: because in fact, it looks like it might help some

693
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 6: of you guys. I thought that was kind of funny,

694
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 6: you know, And then it's stupid but funny. And then

695
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 6: down at Saint John Fisher, I went with the high

696
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 6: school coaches and we could be like closer to the action.

697
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 6: And you know, I took a football with me the

698
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 6: kid and made to maybe get a couple of autographs.

699
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 6: And I'm not going to bother people during practice. But

700
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 6: mister Wilson came out. He was standing kind of next

701
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 6: to me, and Dick Boyer was a high school football coach.

702
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 6: He was also like a wrestler from the old days,

703
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 6: the Magic Destroyer. He's going up and down the sidelines

704
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 6: and he's introducing himself to everybody. God Rest his soul.

705
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 6: Kind of annoying, you know, and he's telling everybody this.

706
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 6: And then he comes to me and he said, you

707
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 6: know who I am? And I said, I wouldn't recognize

708
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 6: you without your mask or something stupid, and Ralph got

709
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 6: a big charge out of that, and he actually say,

710
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 6: you want me to sign that footbox. I think he

711
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 6: was annoying Ralph as much as he was annoying me.

712
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 6: That's a stupid story. But you know, Dick to the

713
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 6: story and God Rest his soul. Yeah, those are my

714
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 6: two stories from the day.

715
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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I've got at this. When I retired.

716
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: You know that there's the Iliodpollo's Ringside restaurant lounge over there.

717
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: They threw a retirement party of the little private retirement

718
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: party for me, and a couple of guys roasted me.

719
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: Dick the Destroyer was there and gave you know, I

720
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: got a I got a Bison's jersey, got a Sabers jersey.

721
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: All that stuff was cool. Dick the Destroyer gave me

722
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: a mask, no way, yeah, and signed it for me.

723
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: I've got in my office. I've got a Dick the

724
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: Destroyer mask in my office. So yeah, that was from

725
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: and from way back in the day.

726
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, look at that a story bringing out

727
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 2: another story. You Let's go to Jeff in Buffalo next week.

728
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: At first, Jeff, thank you.

729
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 7: How are you doing today?

730
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 3: Good?

731
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 7: I just wanted to run this a little bit about

732
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 7: a time where I was actually working in Rochester, had

733
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 7: a chance to take the afternoon off and lighted my

734
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 7: girlfriend or son in the town, so we got a

735
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 7: training camp. Went there. Was able to see a lot

736
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 7: of the great old timers enjoy the the atmosphere, seeing

737
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 7: some of the linebackers lying around the day is t

738
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 7: Guio Spikes, London Fletcher, the great defensive backs of Terence

739
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 7: McGhee and and I'm not sure if this was the

740
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 7: same season or not, but there was a time where

741
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 7: when du Putzo was in town and obviously at the

742
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 7: time one of the best quarterbacks at the wee in

743
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 7: the league, maybe in the older seasons, but everyone was

744
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 7: coming off field, we were able to sneak in get

745
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 7: some autographs. I happened to notice the quarterbacks, especially through

746
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 7: being interviewed by the media, and so I looked, and

747
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 7: I said, they stepped over here for a second only,

748
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 7: and most of the guys had already gotten on the

749
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 7: buses to go back. So I think I think that

750
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 7: day they were at a different field do to something

751
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 7: that was going on. But as you came off, he

752
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 7: was gonna hurry, but he saw us and he was

753
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 7: really kind and nice enough to sit there and talk

754
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 7: to us, and he signed, uh find her son this sweatshirt,

755
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 7: which I thought was a really classic thing for a

756
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 7: professional athlete to do. So that's that's really why my

757
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 7: take out things that I was an athlete myself, as

758
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 7: you guys were, obviously not to the abilities or level

759
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 7: that you achieved. But you know, you always want to

760
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 7: be that guy, you know when you get there. So

761
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 7: it made me made me really happy to see that.

762
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, thanks Jeff, nice call, Drew, Uh, Drew got it.

763
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 2: He understood, you know, the role of being a quarterback,

764
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: not only in terms of being a leader for his teammates,

765
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: but what it meant to the fans. And you know,

766
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: people forget when when he got here via trade, that

767
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: was big stuff. I mean they had a they had

768
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: like a campaign stage out here in front of the

769
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Speaker 2: Administration building.

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Speaker 3: You know, fans were here with pom poms and stuff.

771
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 3: I mean it was a big deal. And out of.

772
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Speaker 2: Training camp, I think what Jeff's referring to is those

773
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: first few years when they were redesigning the Fisher campus

774
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: to better accommodate Bill's training camp, there was still some

775
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: work being done on one of the fields, so in

776
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: an effort to not overtax the one field they had

777
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: at their disposal, they actually went over to East Rochester

778
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 2: High School, which is just down East Ave, and practiced

779
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: on the turf field a couple of times. So I

780
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: think that's that's the field that Jeff is referencing from

781
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 2: training camp. But yeah, Drew, and Drew's a hard guy

782
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 2: to miss. I mean, six foot five, you know, he's

783
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: easy to spot in the crowd. Yeah, they aren't that

784
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 2: many media.

785
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: That's kind of those are the kind of stories that

786
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: you can get at training camp that you don't get

787
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: other places. You know, here one bill drive during the week,

788
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta go to the guard shack and

789
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: you know acts on lockdown. It's on lockdown in the

790
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: day and age in which we live is kind of common,

791
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: so you know, you can't These guys are sequestered unless

792
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: you bump into them randomly. You just don't see them.

793
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: But a training camp, I would say too, that atmosphere

794
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: is part of the total pack. The players understand. Two

795
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: fans are gonna be there. They're gonna, you know, gonna

796
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: interact with them. They're gonna, you know, be yelling at them.

797
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: You can hear.

798
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 6: You know.

799
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: It's not like an eighty thousand seat stadium. It's like

800
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: five thousand, not even. And you can have conversations with fans,

801
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: and some guys do and that doesn't happen a lot.

802
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 3: We have to take a break here, but we're gonna

803
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: take more of your phone calls.

804
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: When we come back, Brandon and Buffalo is gonna lead

805
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: us off along with others holding at eight oh three

806
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 2: oh five fifty.

807
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 3: So stay right where you are.

808
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 2: We'll get to as many of you as we can

809
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: when we return here on one Bill's Live presented.

810
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 3: By Colida Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

811
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 5: I'm going to go right back to the.

812
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 2: Phones here as we are checking in with you asking

813
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: what's your favorite part about attending Bill's training camp. We've

814
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: had some good memories shared thus far. Let's go to

815
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 2: Brandon and Buffalo for another. What do you got for

816
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 2: his Brandon?

817
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 8: Hey, how we doing guys at camp day?

818
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 3: Yeah to you as well.

819
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 8: So this this story is hitting me extra special today

820
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 8: because it was about my dad, but it was also

821
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 8: about camp and I recently lost my dad a couple

822
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 8: months ago, so I was thinking about this today, actually,

823
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 8: you know, all day today. But I remember, I believe

824
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 8: it was Doug Flutie's second year and they had a

825
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 8: workout at the stadium, or maybe they had a couple

826
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 8: of camp days at the stadium. I don't remember, but

827
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 8: I remember, you know, we had tickets or something to

828
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 8: go to the workout at the stadium and Doug was

829
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 8: off by himself, and I was really excited to see Doug.

830
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 8: I was like, oh, man, you know Doug Flutie and

831
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 8: he was he was walking by me, and I was like,

832
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 8: mister Flutie, can you come sign my jersey? And he

833
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 8: like looks and he hit and he was just putting

834
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 8: his hat on and he walks over and he goes,

835
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 8: you want me to sign your jersey? I said yes, please,

836
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 8: and he goes all right, and he was trying to

837
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 8: get over the wall, but he couldn't. He couldn't get

838
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 8: it because he was short, so security had to boost

839
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 8: him up and he hopped over and he got into

840
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 8: the seats and he goes, all right, man, let me

841
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 8: let me sign this jersey. And I like, I had

842
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 8: a look of horror because I forgot my sharpie somewhere.

843
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 8: And I was like eight years old at the time,

844
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 8: so I was like freaking out, panicking, like I don't

845
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 8: know where my sharpie is. So I look up and

846
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 8: I hear my dad whistling, and he's about ten rows

847
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 8: up and he's waving the sharpie and he kind of

848
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 8: just flicks his wrist and Doug catches it and he goes,

849
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 8: thanks Dad, and my dad just smiles and waves, and

850
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 8: I like, in that brief second, like crowd started forming.

851
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 8: So I was like freaking out, like, oh my god,

852
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 8: I'm not going to get this autograph. And Doug would

853
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 8: not sign an autograph until I got mine first, and

854
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 8: he signed my jersey and he looks at me and

855
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 8: he goes, hey, man, I said what's up, and he goes,

856
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 8: will you hold my helmet for me? And I was like, yeah,

857
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 8: could I put it on? And he started laughing and

858
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 8: he goes, yeah, man, sure, go ahead, and I put

859
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 8: it on, and Doug was just really he was a

860
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 8: really good guy. And that's like, that was one of

861
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 8: the coolest memories I had, was just sitting there next

862
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 8: to Doug Flutie wearing his helmet while he was signing

863
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 8: autographs for everybody, hold.

864
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: My helmet and hold that's good? Yeah nice, And yeah,

865
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: a lot of story I lost, And I'm sorry, yeah

866
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: about your father because I know that kind of stuff.

867
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 8: You know.

868
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: So many people, particularly in Buffalo, where you grow up

869
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Speaker 1: and you become a Bills fan because your mom and

870
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Speaker 1: dad are a Bill's fan, and your aunts and uncles

871
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: and your cousins and your teachers and the cops and

872
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: the clerks in the store. Everybody's a Bills fan, and

873
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: you kind of it kind of becomes part of your heritage.

874
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: And so many a huge percentage of Bills fans, more so,

875
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Speaker 1: I think than most other fan bases track their fanship

876
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: to their mom's dads and aunts, uncles and grandparents all

877
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: that stuff. So and when these these milestones in the calendar,

878
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: like training camp rolled around, and you remember, you know,

879
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: or the opening day rolls around, you remember, you know

880
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: your dad who took you to the first Bill, your

881
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: first Bills game, and you remember your dad who took

882
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Speaker 1: you to training camp. And it's hard for some people.

883
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: I want to be sensitive that, but you know, Brandon,

884
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,959
Speaker 1: thanks for calling. I'm sorry about your dad. I'm glad

885
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: you have those memories, and I'm glad the Bills are

886
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: a part of it, like they are for so many

887
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: other Bills fans.

888
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 3: Let's go to Joe in Amherst next. What do you

889
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 3: got first? Joe?

890
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 5: Hey, guys, I want to share something with you. I

891
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 5: heard Chris talking about all the places that those have

892
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 5: practiced throughout the years, but I want to see it.

893
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 5: I'm sixty eight, so it's a little fuzzy, but you

894
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 5: never forgot what happened to me. I think it was

895
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Speaker 5: sixty four or five if they were actually practicing, and

896
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Speaker 5: Nichols Field on Colvin and Amherst. There were no security guards.

897
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Speaker 5: It was mainly just the kids in the block because

898
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Speaker 5: that's where we hung out. And I saw you at

899
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Speaker 5: camp and I became a fly in his ointment and

900
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 5: I said, mister, mister Kemp, throw me a pass. Please

901
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 5: throw me a pass. Slowly finally rifled one from about

902
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 5: thirty five yards hit me in the solar plex, knocked

903
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 5: me on my butt. I caught it, and I said,

904
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 5: thank you, mister Kemp. I just ran away. Then about

905
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 5: a half hour later, I'm standing thereund bugging Ernie Warlick

906
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 5: and he comes over and he picks me up like

907
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 5: a football because I'm not a big guy now, so

908
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 5: it's a real small back then and he ran me

909
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 5: around the perimeter of the Nichols field. It's things you

910
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 5: like that you'll never forget.

911
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 3: So hold on a second, Joe, you catch the pass,

912
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 3: it knocks you on your butt. Did you run off

913
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Speaker 3: with the all?

914
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 5: No, I just dropped it. I was just trying to

915
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 5: catch my breath. I wanted to him know that I

916
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Speaker 5: wasn't hurt.

917
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Speaker 1: All right, good, that's pretty good, and that you know

918
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: some of the old guys too, Yeah, Jack Camp and

919
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: early Ernie Warlick. Are you know Bills have a lot

920
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: of lore about them.

921
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. AFL champions, So yeah, that's a cool story like

922
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 3: that one a lot.

923
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 4: Uh.

924
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Speaker 2: We have to step aside here though, because when we

925
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Speaker 2: come back, we're going to be joined by ESPN NFL

926
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Speaker 2: reporter Jeremy Fowler.

927
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Speaker 3: He's been busy this month.

928
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Speaker 2: He was doing his top ten lists by position after

929
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Speaker 2: consulting with a host of NFL executives and personnel people

930
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: around the league.

931
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Speaker 3: Some Bills made some of those lists.

932
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: We'll go over those lists with Jeremy, along with any

933
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: news of the day that he's got his ear to

934
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Speaker 2: the ground on.

935
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Speaker 3: Next here on One Bill's Love.

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Speaker 1: The One Bills Live presented by Callalida Health.

937
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 3: A nright hour.

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Speaker 2: Number two Here on a Tuesday training camp eve for

939
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills and a bunch of other teams around

940
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: the league, and a guy who will have his ear

941
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Speaker 2: to the ground on just about all of it joined

942
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Speaker 2: us now. ESPN Senior National NFL reporter Jeremy Fowler joining us.

943
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 3: Jeremy, good to have you back on the show.

944
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 2: Thanks for giving us some time before your your job

945
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 2: really gets going into overdrive here for the better part.

946
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Speaker 3: Of the next six or seven months. What what is uh?

947
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 2: I know you're gonna be making a training camp tour

948
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: here through the Southeast and the Midwest over the next

949
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 2: few weeks. Is there one particular camp that jumps out

950
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 2: to you that you're really intrigued to check in on

951
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: for something that's like a burning question in your head

952
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: right now that you're looking to get answered to some degree.

953
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 9: That's a great question.

954
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 10: So I would say, you know, I'm starting in Florida,

955
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 10: So I would say Miami and Tampa are both high

956
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 10: interest to me because of Miami, like they kind of

957
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Speaker 10: have sneaky, big expectations and can two have put it

958
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 10: all together? You know, Tampa, who's the quarterback going to be?

959
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 10: I actually think that that's still a pretty good roster.

960
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 10: I know people are down on Tampa, but I'd start there,

961
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 10: and then you know, any of the rookies. The rookie

962
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 10: quarterbacks always deepens the intrigue a little bit. So I'll

963
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 10: get to stop in Carolina check out Bryce Young, So

964
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 10: should be fun. I was in Buffalo last year. I'm

965
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 10: gonna try to make it this year. But you know,

966
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 10: you got to kind of pick a region and roll

967
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 10: with it, gotcha.

968
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: One of the things you've been doing this offseason, you

970
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: went out and asked executives, coaches, scouts about the best

971
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: players in the league. And I think when you talk

972
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Speaker 1: about that, those guys, those people in that end of

973
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: it really seem to the guys they respect are and

974
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Speaker 1: of the teams are the ones that worry them the most. Right.

975
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Speaker 1: I mean, despite whatever stats or whatever else they put

976
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Speaker 1: up that in a given year, when you line up

977
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Speaker 1: against that team, they're still the only guy they really

978
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: talk about in the coaching scouting meetings. So what guys

979
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: stand out to you when you look at this list

980
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: that you put together.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Steve, that's a great point.

982
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 10: That's really the underlying theme when you talk to a

983
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 10: lot of these teams is you know, if you're game

984
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Speaker 10: planning against somebody who scares you the most. R And

985
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 10: So that was a really interesting conversation with wide receiver

986
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Speaker 10: because based on production, Justin Jefferson's the best wide receiver

987
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 10: and he ended up being the best in my rankings,

988
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 10: but it was really close with Devonte Adams, who we

989
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 10: know as a high producer. But then Jamar Chase is

990
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 10: a good example because he's a lot of people, look,

991
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 10: I think he's the best receiver even though he doesn't

992
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 10: have that production yet they say he's that classic X

993
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 10: receiver that can get You can put him in any

994
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 10: scheme and he's.

995
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 9: Going to be the scariest guy out there.

996
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 10: That's sort of like, so it's it's how do you

997
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 10: gain who scares you the most and who is the

998
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 10: most I guess would call it scheme transcendent, Like they're

999
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 10: not reliant on a scheme or a system or players

1000
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 10: around them. You can PLoP them in any offense or

1001
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 10: any defense and they're going to dominate.

1002
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: Right And look, Josh Allen is probably the best athlete

1003
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 2: on this entire roster. I mean, he's that talented, so

1004
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: I would expect him to naturally have universal respect around

1005
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 2: the league. But of the four other Bill's players who

1006
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 2: major top ten lists, that Stefan Diggs, Matt Milano, Von Miller,

1007
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: and Dawson Knox, which one of those four do you

1008
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 2: think was got the most universal respect from the people

1009
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: you were talking to, so.

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00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 10: Well, first all I would probably say Miller is the

1011
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 10: best athlete on the team. Well maybe not based on

1012
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 10: age and injury, but if we're talking yeah, their production

1013
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 10: as a pro he is one of the best athletes

1014
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 10: the entire.

1015
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 9: League has seen in a long time. So, but Josh

1016
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 9: Allen's very close.

1017
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 10: I would probably say Alan garnered the most respect because

1018
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 10: he was a clear number three in my quarterback rankings.

1019
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 10: There was a big fall off after number three, so

1020
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 10: it was Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, big gap between Mahomes and

1021
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 10: the two and three guys and a little bit of

1022
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 10: a gap between Burrow and Allen. I think if with

1023
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 10: some of the inconsistency from last year, Allan would have

1024
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 10: made a stronger case for number two.

1025
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 9: But he's clearly number three. There really was no question

1026
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 9: about that.

1027
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 10: And so you know, he's really almost got some untapped potential,

1028
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 10: which is crazy to say based on host production, but

1029
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 10: he can do even more and climb even higher based

1030
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 10: on the massive upside there. And then you know, it

1031
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 10: was a weird year for the Bills on my rankings

1032
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 10: because I'm used to seeing Tradavius White there. I think

1033
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 10: just with the injury the last year and a half

1034
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 10: has been tough. You know, Kenning, rerickgain old form, both

1035
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 10: safeties have always made a pretty strong case Poyer Micah High.

1036
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 9: They never quite made it.

1037
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 10: Then, Yeah, you essentially had two Bills linebackers in the

1038
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 10: top ten with Matt Milano and Tremaine Edmonds, which is

1039
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 10: a really interesting conversation because it shows that teams just

1040
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 10: simply won't allocate. This doesn't go just for the Bills,

1041
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 10: but for anybody. They won't allocate two linebackers making more

1042
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 10: than ten million dollars a year. It just doesn't really happen,

1043
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 10: or it's hard to do. So the Bills, I think

1044
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 10: that was letting Edmunds go was tougher than they let

1045
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 10: on because this is the guy they drafted and developed,

1046
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 10: and he became a Pro Bowl player and a big

1047
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 10: money player, then you have to let him go.

1048
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 9: That's tough.

1049
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about Matt Malone for a minute. It

1050
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 1: was no question last year he took a step forward.

1051
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 1: He's been a really good player for the Bills since

1052
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: day one. I mean he started early on in his

1053
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: career and you can't get him out of the lineup.

1054
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: And then last year, you know, he really took a

1055
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: giant leap forward. What were some of the comments or

1056
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: what was some of the vibe about him being on

1057
00:53:59,680 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: that list.

1058
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, he's interesting because he's so savvy and highly productive.

1059
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 10: He's always been great against the past, but now he's

1060
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 10: doing a little bit of everything. Like you know, talked

1061
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 10: to more than one scout who said, like, you'd go

1062
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 10: into a game and you know he's going to be good,

1063
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 10: but then you come out of it and he's done everything.

1064
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 9: You know, he's just stuffed the staff sheet in every area.

1065
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 10: And you know, I think with that conversation about who

1066
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 10: fears you, I don't necessarily think he's a guy that

1067
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 10: figures teams a whole lot. He's not that huge athlete,

1068
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 10: but he's now just a guy who's so well rounded,

1069
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 10: a little bit like Fred Warner in that just how

1070
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 10: smart he is and can really dissect what a defense

1071
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 10: is doing and anticipate really well.

1072
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 2: We Steve and I were talking about this on the

1073
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: show yesterday, Jeremy, and you know, we know you're kind

1074
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: of plugged in on this kind of stuff.

1075
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Speaker 3: The Chris Jones holdout now.

1076
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, fifty thousand a day, and we're also thinking about

1077
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 2: it from this perspective, he wants thirty million a year,

1078
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 2: according to reports like your own and others, wants to

1079
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 2: be like the second highest paid behind Aaron Donald Hill.

1080
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 2: Accept that, but that's about it, it seems. And just

1081
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 2: last year the Chiefs balked at paying Tyreek Hill thirty

1082
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: million dollars a year granted on the other side of

1083
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 2: the ball where the quarterback resides. So I don't know

1084
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Speaker 2: if that changes anything, but do you see this as

1085
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 2: a Chief's philosophical approach where hey, we're not breaking the

1086
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 2: bank on anybody but the quarterback to this degree or

1087
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 2: is because.

1088
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 3: He's on the defensive side of the ball.

1089
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 2: Might the Chiefs feel differently about paying somebody like Chris

1090
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 2: Jones thirty million a year as opposed to Tyreek.

1091
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 10: Yeah, we're gonna see how far they're willing to go,

1092
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 10: because I don't know they're ever willing to go to

1093
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 10: thirty million. But I will say that they've prioritized re

1094
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 10: signing him. They've planned to do this, they were hopeful

1095
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 10: to get it done around training Camper a few days

1096
00:55:55,840 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 10: after so when the money in the gap and the

1097
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 10: money became pretty obvious, now they have some work to

1098
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 10: do and I don't know that he needs to match

1099
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 10: Aaron Donald's number, whatever it is, but I know that

1100
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 10: he wants to be much closer to to the Aaron

1101
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 10: Donald stratosphere of defensive tackles than the rest of the class,

1102
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 10: which is not kind of low to mid twenty millions

1103
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 10: per year. And can they bridge the gap. I mean

1104
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 10: they're going to work at it, and I think that

1105
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 10: they will. Talking to people around the league, they expect

1106
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 10: him to be a chief and.

1107
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 9: To get something done.

1108
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 10: He's not really a hot name on the trade market

1109
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 10: where Tyreek, like they just figured, hey, we're going to

1110
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 10: cut our losses here. We have Patrick Mahomes who can

1111
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 10: really make it work with a lot of different receivers,

1112
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 10: and Travis Kelcey's our main guy. This I think is

1113
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 10: a little different because the Chiefs defense is pretty young

1114
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 10: and this guy came into a class of his own

1115
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 10: this last year with fifteen and a half sacks. And

1116
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 10: I mean you could argue he's as productive or maybe

1117
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 10: more productive than Aaron Donald just in the last year

1118
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 10: or two. I mean, Donald's been the premier player at

1119
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 10: that position, no doubt. But Jones is you know, he's

1120
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 10: brings that gap a little bit. We got a lot

1121
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 10: of number one votes in the process that I did

1122
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,280
Speaker 10: for defensive tackle. So considering the importance of that position,

1123
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 10: it's just a it's a guy you pay, so I

1124
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 10: think they'll work it out.

1125
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because Brownie has my partner here has

1126
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: been We've been clamoring about the defensive tackles that have

1127
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: all gotten paid this year, and certainly Chris Jones is

1128
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: one of the guys that deserves it. He's played extremely well.

1129
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: And now you see this movement and it's starting for

1130
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: the first time I think around, not for the first time,

1131
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: but more markedly now that we see the running back

1132
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: position be devalued. The defensive tackle has become a money position.

1133
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: Defensive end and edge rusher. Pass rusher has been a

1134
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: money position. You have like three or four positions that

1135
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: are really premium spots, and then you have a spot

1136
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: like running back. Maybe who's the first position in the

1137
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: league to be like, wow, we don't need that guy, right?

1138
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 10: And the problem is, I think a lot of cases

1139
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 10: they feel like they do need that guy. Tell Cleveland

1140
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 10: to take Nick Chubb off the roster right now, see

1141
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 10: how they feel. Other chances, you know, he was carrying

1142
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 10: that team last year when they were winning games. And

1143
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 10: so it's just the you're as good as the market

1144
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 10: tells you you are, regardless of how good you are,

1145
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 10: Like some of the running backs are some of the

1146
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 10: best players in the entire league.

1147
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 9: But it's just the nature of the position.

1148
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 10: It's I mean, it's a combination of things in a

1149
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 10: long discussion, but teams feel like, well, we had to

1150
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,919
Speaker 10: be productive with a fifth round pick or a third

1151
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 10: round pick or an undrafted guy at running back, we

1152
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 10: probably could aside from the few special guys. That's why

1153
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 10: I was really surprised that Saquon Barkley and Josh Jacobs

1154
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 10: didn't get deals done, because these were top five guys

1155
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 10: of their position. And you know, it was tricky because

1156
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 10: Barkley got offered a contract that had he taken it,

1157
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 10: it probably would have looked good on paper in the

1158
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 10: splash reports, and you know, I mean it probably would

1159
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 10: have been leaked as probably thirteen million dollars a year

1160
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 10: or so, but the details of the contract and you know,

1161
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 10: the ask of like having to pay out per year

1162
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 10: roster bonuses instead of guaranteed money, you know, things he

1163
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 10: would have to earn. So it was a flimsy deal

1164
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 10: on paper in his eyes, it just makes it tough

1165
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 10: to take. So it was a combination of.

1166
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 9: A lot of factors.

1167
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 10: I think maybe if it was a different team, they

1168
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 10: would have tried to pay one of these guys a

1169
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 10: fair deal, you know, like like the Colts and Jonathan

1170
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 10: Taylor is going to be fascinating because you know, he's

1171
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 10: a really productive back, He's been a top guy. He

1172
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 10: didn't have a great year last year, but the offensive

1173
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 10: line was bad. And the Colts have a precedent for

1174
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 10: paying their players in house, like they if they draft

1175
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 10: a guy and you do will, they're gonna pay you.

1176
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 10: So that's a really good liftmus test. I just I

1177
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 10: don't think it's completely broken. I think the Jacobs and

1178
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 10: Barkley got deals that would have looked okay on paper.

1179
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 10: They just wouldn't have been great, So they wouldn't have

1180
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 10: moved the ball forward, and they chose to be selective,

1181
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 10: and that's the credit to them. But it's like, on

1182
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 10: the other side, what do you do now? You know,

1183
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 10: there's just not a lot of options for those guys.

1184
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: Well, the question is too between the difference between a

1185
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey Saquon Barkley, a Jonathan Taylor, and that maybe

1186
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: those top four and maybe Derrick Henry. Let's say, is

1187
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: there that much of a drop off between them and

1188
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: this fifth round guy you're hypothetically talking about. Is the

1189
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: drop off that much because there's so you know, when

1190
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: they're young and coming up, these guys are the guy

1191
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: that they become running backs because they're the best guy

1192
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: with the ball in their hands in the lower levels,

1193
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: and so they get up there, and the difference between

1194
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: the best guys and the elite guys and the just

1195
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: above average guys isn't big enough to justify the bigness

1196
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: big difference in the money.

1197
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's part of it.

1198
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 10: I still think there's that small crop of players that

1199
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 10: are a little different, you know, and say Quan I'd

1200
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 10: put in that class, and a Pete Derrick Henry, maybe

1201
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 10: not as much now at this age, but certainly in

1202
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 10: his prime. You know, Nick Chubb right now, Christian McCaffrey.

1203
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 10: So I mean, look at what the forty nine ers

1204
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 10: gave up for McCaffrey. Give up a lot of draft

1205
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 10: capital to get him in for the right to pay

1206
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 10: him his salary, which is you know, sixteen million per

1207
01:00:58,440 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 10: year on his deal.

1208
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 9: So it's just teams saw that as an outlier.

1209
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 10: They saw that, you know, winning championships behind a mediocre quarterback,

1210
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 10: but a top five picket running back just doesn't happen

1211
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 10: very often.

1212
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: You know.

1213
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 10: It's usually the reverse or it's just a position you

1214
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 10: can do by committee and it might not be as good,

1215
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 10: but you might be eighty five percent as good, which

1216
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 10: can get it done. You know, the CBA says you

1217
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 10: got to pay it, you got to spend a certain

1218
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 10: amount of money per year. It doesn't say how you

1219
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 10: have to allocate that money, right, you know. So that's

1220
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 10: the problem. And there's no salary cap for those guys.

1221
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 10: So I just I don't know what recourse there is

1222
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 10: right now, unless they can just put some new deals

1223
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 10: on the table that look decent.

1224
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Because you know, we had heard about the meeting

1225
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 2: of the minds between these disgruntled running backs along with

1226
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 2: their players Association representatives to try to make heads or

1227
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 2: tails of what's unfolding here, and you know, the general

1228
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 2: consensus we're hearing back from those players. I think Nick

1229
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,439
Speaker 2: Chubb sat in on it and addressed the Cleveland media

1230
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 2: the other day and basically said, there's nothing we can do.

1231
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 3: Do you ever envision and I'm not talking about.

1232
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 2: In a year or two, but maybe way down the line,

1233
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 2: maybe even in the next CBA where there can be

1234
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 2: enough players at a given position, you know, running back

1235
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 2: for example, where they push the Players Association to enact

1236
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 2: kind of like a positionless wage scale and go more

1237
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 2: on production. We always hear about positionless football. We're getting

1238
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 2: to positionless football. Look at these guys, they play different

1239
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 2: positions and everything, more so on the defensive side of

1240
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,479
Speaker 2: the ball, granted, But I don't know how you find

1241
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 2: to fix for these running backs unless the game dramatically

1242
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 2: swings back in their favor.

1243
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 3: And I don't think any of us foresee that. Is,

1244
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 3: is there any leg to stand on for the Players

1245
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 3: Association to help their own players, you know, their own

1246
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 3: members to do better.

1247
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 10: Well, certainly they're gonna have to exhaust those out. And

1248
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 10: is we can't do anything until twenty thirty. I mean,

1249
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 10: CVA is locked in. It's the problem with doing a

1250
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 10: ten year deal, you know, you're sort of stuck in

1251
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 10: it now. I know the NFL has strong interest in

1252
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 10: doing a separate salary cap for like a top player,

1253
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 10: a top earner or in most cases the quarterback, you know,

1254
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 10: because that money is getting so obscene. If you could

1255
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 10: separate from your normal salary cap, it help you build

1256
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 10: the roster around them. Where that's the challenge for teams

1257
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,919
Speaker 10: right now. That to me is probably more pressing issue,

1258
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 10: at least from the league level than helping the running backs.

1259
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 10: But certainly they're going to have to come up with

1260
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 10: a formula of the Players' Union that is to try

1261
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 10: to help those guys. You know, there's money reserved in

1262
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 10: that performance pool, and in my colleague Dominique Foxworth mentioned that,

1263
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 10: you know, there's millions of dollars that guys get based

1264
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 10: on playtime on the rookie deals. Maybe you could allocate

1265
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 10: some of that to incentivize running backs. But it just

1266
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 10: it shouldn't have to be that way. You shouldn't have

1267
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 10: a market go backwards when the cap is going up

1268
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 10: the way it is. You know, tight end's been that

1269
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 10: way for a while. You know, George Kittle still has

1270
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 10: the highest contract the tight ends, I believe, and he

1271
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 10: did his deal what three years ago, So that's another position,

1272
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 10: and they catch more passes and are probably more valuable

1273
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 10: than ever. So you know, for whatever reason, those positions

1274
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 10: get put in a tough spot, and you know, they

1275
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 10: can't really unionize.

1276
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 9: On their own. I don't know how they do that.

1277
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 10: Maybe they can, but they're gonna have to brainstorm and

1278
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 10: have more zoom calls probably to figure this out.

1279
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: Well, the problem is, I mean, you can get a

1280
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: bunch of running backs, elite running backs to band together

1281
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: and say hey, we're not going to do it, but

1282
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: you're going to have a lot of guys on the

1283
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: street who have played in the NFL who want to

1284
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:27,959
Speaker 1: get back in or get a job, and he'll say, listen,

1285
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: I'll do it for that kind of money. And if

1286
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: you're going to give the running backs a bigger piece

1287
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: of the pie, which group are you going to take

1288
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: it from to get them to say, yeah, okay, you

1289
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: can have our money. I mean, it's just not going

1290
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 1: to happen.

1291
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's right, and it's look at the bills right now.

1292
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 10: You got James Cook, right, what was he a third

1293
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 10: round pick? I believe mid round.

1294
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 3: Pick, second round pick.

1295
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 9: Yeah he is a second round that's right, but a

1296
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 9: day two pick.

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Speaker 10: Talented guy like he might have a huge year, he

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Speaker 10: might break out and be a superstar and then you're

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Speaker 10: paying them eight hundred thousand a year whatever do and

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Speaker 10: million dollars. It's just that calculation for teams is really enticing,

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Speaker 10: where it's just harder to get that kind of production

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Speaker 10: at edge.

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Speaker 9: Rusher, you know, with like a third or fourth round pick.

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Speaker 9: So it's unfortunately the numbers game that occurs.

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Speaker 2: Before we let you go, Jeremy just wanted to get

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Speaker 2: your take on, you know, the Bill's roster as a whole.

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Speaker 2: We know you kind of pour over these as we

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Speaker 2: get close to training camp around the league, and you know,

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Speaker 2: to no one's surprise, the Bills have been kind of

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Speaker 2: under the radar this offseason, and after all of the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl favorite touting last year, they probably have no

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Speaker 2: problem with that. And we understand, you know, the Rogers

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Speaker 2: deal is going to grab all the headlines and people

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Speaker 2: want to anoint them the new favorite in the AFC East,

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Speaker 2: and people are high on the Dolphins, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: which is a camp you'll be hitting. But there are

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Speaker 2: a lot of people in Western New York that actually

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Speaker 2: think the Bill's roster is better this year, deeper, more

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Speaker 2: talented than it was last year.

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Speaker 3: Where do you come down on that?

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Speaker 10: I could see that argument in some spots, if daldon

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Speaker 10: Kin kid is as good as I think he's going

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Speaker 10: to be, which you know, he very well might be

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Speaker 10: a top ten tight end in the league by the

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Speaker 10: end of the year. I mean, he's really talented. So

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Speaker 10: if he comes out and does what I think he could,

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Speaker 10: then yes, I think on offense they have a chance

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Speaker 10: to say that the defense it's getting a little old

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Speaker 10: in spots. I mean, like they you know, I'm not

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Speaker 10: ready to say that about the defense, even though.

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Speaker 9: They've always been really good.

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Speaker 10: They've been solid, you know, like with with hide Employer

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Speaker 10: in the back end, they're always going to be discipline, tough,

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Speaker 10: physical making plays. A lot of those guys are getting

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Speaker 10: older and von Miller coming off the ACL like it's

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Speaker 10: it's probably gonna take some time.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 10: Leonard Floyd's a good ad. So I just, you know,

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01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 10: think you're gonna have to probably play a rookie or

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Speaker 10: somebody young at the linebacker spot. So I need to

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Speaker 10: see a little more offensive line, probably need to see

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Speaker 10: a little bit more, you know. I know they have

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Speaker 10: big plans for Spencer Brown.

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Speaker 3: You know what is he is?

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Speaker 10: He going to be a guy who can hit his

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01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 10: ceiling or not this year, you know so, And based

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01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 10: on what they've added Damian Harris, two tight end sets

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Speaker 10: they can do. Now are they going to keep teams

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Speaker 10: honest at least with some twelve personnel and some running

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Speaker 10: game and mix it up so Josh Allen doesn't have

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Speaker 10: to run it a gazillion times?

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Speaker 1: What do you think is next? That we've seen this

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Speaker 1: trend and we've talked about it. Certainly the Bills are

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Speaker 1: have made it clear in their off season rhetoric and

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Speaker 1: some of that that you're always trying to look forward

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Speaker 1: and see where the trends are heading. You. Certainly we

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Speaker 1: could make a case of the running back like we've

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Speaker 1: been talking about, have been trending down. The premier positions

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Speaker 1: are getting paid that. But what about on the field.

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Speaker 1: The Bills look like they're going, you know, two tight

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Speaker 1: ends maybe more than they have. They were the least

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Speaker 1: running two tight end running offense in the league. Now

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Speaker 1: they may not. That may change. Where do you see

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Speaker 1: those trends headed with personnel groupings and that kind of

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Speaker 1: you know, tactical decisions.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well it's trendy, right, I mean the Rams did

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Speaker 10: it a lot when they were win big you know,

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Speaker 10: one back, two tight ends is just kind of what's

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Speaker 10: been trending the last few years. So I think you'll

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Speaker 10: continue to see that until defense is adjust. I mean,

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Speaker 10: last year, teams are forced to run the ball more

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Speaker 10: because teams are staying deep on the pass with two safeties.

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Speaker 10: So it's like, so they had to run to sort

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Speaker 10: of loose some defenses up. Now will that continue or

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Speaker 10: will that adjust and the passing numbers will go back up?

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 10: It's just that chess game calls for a lot of

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Speaker 10: different offenses and styles of play, and the Bills have

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Speaker 10: the personnel to do creative things and do that a

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Speaker 10: little differently, you know. So it's just I think there's

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Speaker 10: a feeling league wide though, that a lot's been placed

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Speaker 10: on Josh Allen mentally and physically, and he probably wore

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Speaker 10: down a little bit last year, you know, So is

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Speaker 10: he going to get enough help and are they going

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Speaker 10: to design the offense to help him and maximize that?

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Speaker 2: Jeremy, thanks for the time, is always good luck on

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Speaker 2: your training camp tour. Will be keeping an eye out

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Speaker 2: on ESPN dot com and ESPN to see some of

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Speaker 2: our reports through the course of the summer.

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Speaker 3: Here take care.

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Speaker 9: Awesome, Thanks guys, appreciate it all right.

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Speaker 2: That's Jeremy failure, Jeremy foul Or ESPN senior NFL reporter

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Speaker 2: joining us here. And that's why I always ask Steve

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01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 2: the national guys, you know, we were so close to it.

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01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 2: You know, we suffer from Bill's myopia. So I always

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01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 2: want to get like a fresher ten thousand feet above

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Speaker 2: the fray kind of take.

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Speaker 3: And I understand. You know why he said what he

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01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 3: said about the Bills roster. It is older in some spots. Yeah,

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01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 3: that's that's valid. There's no denying that.

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01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, von Miller's entering his age thirty

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01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 2: three season, I think, and Poyer and Hyder thirty one

1403
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 2: and thirty two respectively, and there's a middle linebacker spot

1404
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 2: that has to be addressed and it's probably not going

1405
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 2: to be addressed with a proven player.

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Speaker 3: So I get what he's saying.

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Speaker 2: And look, I think the additions on the offensive line

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01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:52,560
Speaker 2: are very encouraging for the Bills. But a reporter like

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01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 2: Jeremy Fowler is gonna say, well, they got to show

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01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,759
Speaker 2: me in the game's account comes September, October, November December.

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01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 2: Stand why there's question marks out there for people looking

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01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 2: at this from ten thousand feet up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll say this too. I mean he did,

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01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 1: he said, you want to see something from the offensive line.

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01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm I don't know that anybody. The most under the

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01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: radar signing of the entire offseason been Connor McGovern. It's

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Speaker 1: the biggest contract the Bills handed out, and I have

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01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: yet to hear one national guy say, oh, yeah, you

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01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: know what they with o Cyrus Torrance as well. That

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01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,679
Speaker 1: has yet to even be a blip on the radar

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01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: of the media at large is the investment they did

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Speaker 1: put into the offensive line, along with you know, David

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Speaker 1: Edwards and Brandon shell.

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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of effort up front that I never

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01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 1: even hear mentioned. When people are looking at the Bills roster.

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Speaker 1: I get it too. It's not like, you know, they're

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01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: signing von Miller like they did last year. It's a

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01:10:56,280 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 1: different animal than that. But still I think sometimes those

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01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: early signings and free agencies sometimes going to the radar.

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Speaker 1: It took months for me to realize Von Miller was

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01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 1: number forty. I saw people running around with Miller number forty.

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01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: I thought it was their own name on the back

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01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 1: I forgot, you know, you forget that the guy who's

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Speaker 1: all that guy's name must be Mark Miller or something whatever.

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Speaker 1: I go, oh, no, that's we got Von Miller on

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Speaker 1: our team. So I think I think, certainly when you're

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01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: talking about a guard instead of an edge rusher, that

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Speaker 1: can happen to people by I'm that is the one

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Speaker 1: area around about the Bills offseason and I think has

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01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:35,759
Speaker 1: gotten at zero attention from the media at large.

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Speaker 2: I would tend to agree with that, and yeah, there

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01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 2: are some things that have to come together. But at

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01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 2: the same time, I think you can say that about

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01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 2: a lot of the other teams.

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Speaker 3: Not just in the division, but in the conference.

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Speaker 2: That's you know, like people are like, oh, Cincinnati's gonna

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01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 2: be awesome again, and it's like you realize they lost

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01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 2: Jesse Bates and Von Bell, Like both of their starting

1450
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 2: safeties are not there anymore. I mean, that defense is

1451
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 2: not gonna look the same on the back yend.

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Speaker 3: How are they going to adjust to that? You know?

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01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 2: So, you know, is lou Ana Roumo calling the same

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01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 2: kind of defenses without Jesse Bates back there, who is

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01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 2: a supremely versatile chess piece and a perennial All Pro.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna look different. I mean it is.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you could say the same thing about Miami.

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01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 2: How quickly is that group gonna morphine change in a

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01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 2: new system, you know, under Vic Fangio.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, Vic Fangio comes in with He's got

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01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,520
Speaker 3: some chock, really really good credentials.

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01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 2: Like half the league is playing his defensive system now.

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01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 2: But is that talent all gonna fit? That we'll see,

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01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 2: But that's a big question mark. There's talent on that roster.

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01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:49,679
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anybody debating that. But new systems,

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01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 2: as we have seen, take time sometimes to implement in

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01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 2: a way that leads to consistent down in, down out,

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01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 2: series in, series out, weekend week out play. How long

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Speaker 2: does that take to materialize in Miami?

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Speaker 3: You know that's a big question for them.

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Speaker 2: How long does it take Aaron Rodgers to develop chemistry

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01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 2: with his receiving court? Is his offensive line going to

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01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 2: be worth a damn and keep him healthy and upright right?

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01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 2: Like you can run down the list for every team

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01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 2: in the league, and I think what the Bills have

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01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 2: that these other contenders in the division don't, is that

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01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 2: measure of continuity you know, in terms of the roster

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01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 2: up and down, because it is largely the same.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, at this point, right before training camp starts, every

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01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: team is full of optimism and equally full of question

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01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 1: marks stuff you don't know. Bills do have a lot

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01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 1: of new faces now, certainly their new faces with some

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01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 1: credibility and some and some chops behind them, just like

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01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins and their new coordinator, and the new

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01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 1: England Patriots and their new offensive coordinator. The Bills and

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01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 1: having a different offensive a defensive coordinator. Around the league.

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Speaker 1: There's stuff like that on every team, and it none

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01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,839
Speaker 1: of it stops each fan base from being as optimistic

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Speaker 1: as possible. I'm looking at our friend Armando Salgaro. He's

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01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 1: reporting the Bears fans. I think this is it, man,

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Speaker 1: this is our We're going the Bears, who were the

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01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 1: worst team in the league last year. There's optimism in Chicago. Okay,

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01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 1: it's that time of year. We'll see, we'll see. I'm

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01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sticking with these this group here in this

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01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: building now. They they are on a mission and they

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01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 1: look good and they are flying under the radar with

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Speaker 1: a very big engine.

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Speaker 3: I like the sound of that. We have to step

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Speaker 3: aside here take a break.

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Speaker 2: Frist Brown Steve Tasker talking about the best part of

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Speaker 2: crazy circumstances that you may have witnessed out there a

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01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 2: training camp.

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01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 3: Let's go back to the phones and to Josh and

1513
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 3: East Aurora. What do you got for us?

1514
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 1: Josh, Hey, guys, how are you good?

1515
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 4: So?

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01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 11: Yeah, I actually I played football for Saint I'm Fitsier

1517
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 11: College and I was a starting left tackle. And so

1518
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,600
Speaker 11: the one story that stands out to me is we

1519
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 11: were I was in the weight room, like there was

1520
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 11: a little bit of overlap when the Bills and US

1521
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 11: were working out at the same time, and so there

1522
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 11: was a little bit of overlap, and so I was

1523
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 11: in the weight room testing my max bench squat and

1524
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 11: everything like that, and I hear this super loud pounding

1525
01:15:56,040 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 11: from the fire eggeditor and so it keeps going on

1526
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 11: five minutes, five minutes, and like I eventually someone, like

1527
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 11: someone is supposed to enter the door. So I eventually

1528
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 11: do and it's it's Richy incognito at the door. And granted,

1529
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 11: I'm I'm six four, I'm an offensive lineman or I

1530
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 11: played offensive lineman college, so I'm a big dude. And

1531
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:21,640
Speaker 11: he comes storming through and I'm awestruck and he's just

1532
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 11: you know, a lot. He's flipping dog glad you took

1533
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,600
Speaker 11: your guys start in time, and you know, just with

1534
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 11: a little more choice words than that. And uh, I

1535
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:30,560
Speaker 11: don't know, I just stood out to me. It was

1536
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 11: my first interaction with the Bills player, and I was

1537
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 11: so like starstruck. It was just it was just a

1538
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:36,879
Speaker 11: really cool experience. Honestly.

1539
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's always fun. I when young football

1540
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 1: players get a chance to interact with pro players for

1541
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 1: the first time, there's always this little bit of sizing

1542
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: them up. You know, Am I that big? Am I

1543
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: that strong? To say? How good can he be? You know?

1544
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 1: That kind of thing and how you kind of assess

1545
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:01,759
Speaker 1: and everybody can do this, you ever, it's human nature.

1546
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 1: You assess the gap between where you are in your

1547
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:08,600
Speaker 1: life and your careers where that guy is. Particularly if

1548
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 1: you're a college left tackle looking at Richie Incognito, who's

1549
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 1: an All Pro guard for the Bills, You're looking at

1550
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 1: him kind of like going, Okay, he's little man. Yeah

1551
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: what about this little taller maybe you know that kind

1552
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 1: of thing. And then to see the and you know,

1553
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 1: Richie was was a character, so just you know, to

1554
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 1: put it mildly. So he come, yeah, he's a wild guard,

1555
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: so he but you know, you can imagine him busting

1556
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: in like a saloon with swinging doors, like you know

1557
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: what's going. He's ready to go and clear the bar.

1558
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 3: He was ready for the shootout at New Why didn't.

1559
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: You answer the door when I knocked? Right? Kind of thing? Right, So, uh,

1560
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:49,759
Speaker 1: kind of a cool story. Everybody, all pro players probably

1561
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,560
Speaker 1: have a story like that when they, you know, the

1562
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 1: first you know, bust into the league or get a

1563
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: chance to rub up against closely with some pro players

1564
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 1: of how it goes, it's something you kind of never forget.

1565
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 3: Let's check out the tweets Sheet haven't done that yet.

1566
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 3: Tweets Sheet brought to you by.

1567
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 2: Corrigan Moving Systems, the official equipment moving company of the

1568
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills and Bill's News Consolidated.

1569
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 3: When posed this question.

1570
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 2: Your favorite part about attending training camp, he said Marshawn

1571
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 2: Lynch interview with that kid when he said his favorite

1572
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 2: part of practice was afterwards.

1573
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 3: When they would stretch his groins.

1574
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I yeah, I imagine if you're a little

1575
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 2: stiff any good stretches a good stretch from Kronkster chatting

1576
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 2: with yours truly Steve in Fredonia and watching Ted Washington

1577
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 2: sign a glove toss it to a kid who missed

1578
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 2: the catch and.

1579
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 3: Ted's glove covered the entire kid's face. Huge.

1580
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ted was the dude.

1581
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 3: I remember shaking Ted Washington's hand and watching mind disappear up.

1582
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 1: Till we've had Ted on the show here and when

1583
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 1: he's in, when we have we have we have these

1584
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 1: you know, these raised platforms where we sit on regular

1585
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: desk chairs because it's more comfortable, but when we have

1586
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 1: guests in, we move the platforms out and bringing barstools

1587
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 1: right the high chairs. It looks the same for people

1588
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 1: watching us on TV. But we move the furniture around.

1589
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 1: So Ted comes in and sets on said barstool. And

1590
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you want to talk about like Doctor Seuss

1591
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 1: sitting on a little thing, you know, a big elephant

1592
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,919
Speaker 1: sitting on a little thing that I thought that barstool

1593
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 1: had no shot at holding up when he got down

1594
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 1: when he sat down on it. And plus it's got

1595
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 1: wheels on it too. So he starts to sit down,

1596
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 1: it starts to roll. And I'm thinking, man, if he

1597
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 1: if he goes if Ted goes down, we ain't getting

1598
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 1: him up, you know. But yeah, he never the guy

1599
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: comes on the Ted's just a big dude. And I've

1600
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 1: said it a million times. We see big guys all

1601
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 1: the time. We're in the building. We see Spencer Brown

1602
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:01,719
Speaker 1: who's six ' eight, you know, we see Greg Russeau

1603
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:05,639
Speaker 1: sixty seven, and we see guys like, you know, Jordan Phillips,

1604
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 1: and we see Daikwan Jones. They're big. They're all big dudes.

1605
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: You know, they're big guys. You know, Connor McGovern, big dude.

1606
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:15,759
Speaker 1: They're all. In all the years I played Ted, Washington

1607
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 1: was the only guy I never got used to how

1608
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: big he was.

1609
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 3: I think it's because it wasn't because he was tall.

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01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 3: He was sonix, I know, but he was just so massive.

1611
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,799
Speaker 1: He was massive side to side, and he was massive

1612
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 1: front to back.

1613
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 3: But he but he was but his four arm his

1614
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 3: hands were great.

1615
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 1: He was blocked big. He wasn't like around. He wasn't

1616
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 1: like an apple sitting on a toothpick. He was big

1617
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 1: from he was a refrigerator big. He was like Volkswagen beetle.

1618
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 1: Big like big all the way from the top to

1619
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 1: the bottom. He was like Volkswagen bus.

1620
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 3: Even like his ears were big, like everything.

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01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 1: The soles of his feet were big. I mean that

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01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 1: he was.

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01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 9: And he.

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01:20:56,680 --> 01:21:00,640
Speaker 1: He moves with an e He does not struggle to

1625
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 1: walk around. He does not struggle to sit down, stand up,

1626
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 1: move around. He moves with an ease.

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01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 2: And if there's a fluidity to him, it is not

1628
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 2: befitting of a person his size.

1629
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 1: The weight was not a thing for him.

1630
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 8: He was fine.

1631
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 1: And I remember Rusty Jones, he said, we were talking

1632
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 1: about guys doing bench press, and Ted's in there doing

1633
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 1: four to fifty bench I literally and Rusty just goes, well,

1634
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 1: I just I just had him do four fifty And

1635
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 1: because if he really wanted to. There's just there's like

1636
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 1: it was limitless. Whatever he wants to do he could

1637
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 1: probably do if he worked at it. He's just there's

1638
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: just no end, there's no top end to how strong

1639
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: he is and he was. He's a monster. He is

1640
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:46,560
Speaker 1: absolutely he'll and I've heard I've talked to Bruce and

1641
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 1: Andre and Thurman and other and James lofton other Hall

1642
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 1: of Fame type guys who are guys who are in

1643
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame about Ted Because he played for

1644
01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 1: like seventeen or nineteen, he played forever for almost twenty years.

1645
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 1: He played almost twenty years at that position. Yes, at

1646
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 1: the most brutal position in all of pro sports. He

1647
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 1: played for twenty years and never, not a single time

1648
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 1: in his career was the defense He played nose tackle

1649
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 1: for outside the top five and run defense. He was

1650
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 1: just an impossible guy to move. And you think, why

1651
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 1: doesn't a guy like that get more Hall of Fame

1652
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 1: consideration because he was absolutely dominant. He won a world time.

1653
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 1: He won a world championship in New England. He went

1654
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 1: up there late in his career, won a World championship there.

1655
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: He was here and absolutely dominated here. He was a

1656
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 1: first round draft pick for the forty nine ers. He

1657
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 1: was a great player, and it comes down to this.

1658
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 1: The reason he doesn't get the consideration that we're you know,

1659
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:49,639
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame consideration that we're talking about, which

1660
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 1: he really does should is because he didn't rush the passer.

1661
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 1: That's it. It's that statistic for a defensive lineman, no

1662
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 1: matter what they do, that's the only statistic that will

1663
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 1: get them noticed by Hall of Fame voters. And I

1664
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 1: think that's wrong. Ted was an absolutely great and dominant

1665
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 1: player for his entire nineteen year career. It was something else,

1666
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 1: and you know, I just I feel bad for him,

1667
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, not all that bad, because the guy, you know,

1668
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 1: you could not run on. You couldn't move it.

1669
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:26,599
Speaker 3: You could not run on the bills when he was there,

1670
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 3: you could not.

1671
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:30,639
Speaker 1: You had to run around him. You had to run

1672
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 1: around him. If the ball was snapped, the line of

1673
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 1: scrimmage never went backwards.

1674
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 3: And he's two gaping every snap.

1675
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 4: He he.

1676
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,799
Speaker 1: You could not move him off the line of scrimmage.

1677
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 1: It was like, he's the guy that is the quintessential

1678
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 1: guy that if you're going to try and move him,

1679
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 1: you you can't do it with a bulldozer. He he

1680
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:56,560
Speaker 1: won't move, He's like a tree stump and so and

1681
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 1: to hear the guy say that, you know, taking his

1682
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 1: glove off, signing it, throw it in the kid's face

1683
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 1: and it covers the old kids face. I'm telling you,

1684
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 1: there ain't no lie. There's some there's a there's a handful,

1685
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 1: you know. And I gotta start thinking about this because

1686
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 1: I get asked a lot, and there's a short list

1687
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:15,640
Speaker 1: of players that are unique in my entire career and

1688
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 1: my experience. Bruce is obviously one of those guys. Deon

1689
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 1: Sanders was one of those guys. Bo Jackson was one

1690
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 1: of those guys. Eric Dickerson was one of those guys.

1691
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: Barry Sanders, I think I think Ted Washington might have

1692
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 1: to go on that list.

1693
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:34,560
Speaker 3: Wow, you know what I mean, that's select company, It

1694
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 3: really is.

1695
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 1: There are guys who when people talk about him, You've

1696
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 1: heard me say it, they whisper about that guy. They

1697
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 1: don't want to talk out loud because it's it's fun

1698
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:43,679
Speaker 1: to watch.

1699
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 3: I'll say that.

1700
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a he was a dynamite player. I

1701
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 1: you know, here we are going off on him just

1702
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,680
Speaker 1: because of one of the callers. Yeah, that's my I

1703
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 1: got lots to say about Ted Washington Man. He's a

1704
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 1: he's a dude.

1705
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 3: Let's get back to the tweet sheet.

1706
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 2: Connor says, my favorite was when the Pagoula family purchased

1707
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 2: the Buffalo of Bills and Saint John Fisher was littered

1708
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 2: with these signs.

1709
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,759
Speaker 3: Great day for all Bills fans and it's what started

1710
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 3: the current era of Bill's football. We all get to enjoy.

1711
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:09,599
Speaker 3: Now Go Bills.

1712
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. It's a good point, Connor,

1713
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 2: well taken. And there's the sign that was out there

1714
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 2: at camp and Terry we trust.

1715
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:19,759
Speaker 3: Hashtag and Terry we Trust.

1716
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1717
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was, Yeah, it was. It was a

1718
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 2: feel good time for the organization because its future had

1719
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:29,640
Speaker 2: been secured when it had been up for debate for

1720
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 2: so long.

1721
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 1: There was Yeah, there was only one group that was

1722
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,680
Speaker 1: in the bidding that you knew we're never going to

1723
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 1: take the team out of Buffalo, and that was the

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Speaker 1: ones who actually bought in that, Terry and Kim, and

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Speaker 1: that's good, good for us.

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Speaker 2: Here's probably my favorite one, Steve from Spidey. He says

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01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 2: when they when they were in fre Donia during the

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01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 2: Super Bowl years, drinking with the players at local pubs.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Uh, I'll just be quiet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I figured you'd plead the fifth on that one,

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01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 2: so I'm not surprised. We are going to take a

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Speaker 2: break here, but we've got a couple more thoughts from

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Speaker 2: the tweetsheet coming up when we return to close things

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Speaker 2: up for our final show here at One Bill's Drive

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Speaker 2: for the Foreseeable Future. We'll be back in a second

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Speaker 2: here on One Bill's Live, presented by Collide of Health.

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Speaker 3: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. All right, One last segment for

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Speaker 3: us here on One Bill's Lives and final thoughts on.

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Speaker 2: Training Camp and a favorite thing that you remember or

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01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,680
Speaker 2: enjoyed about Training Camp and your time visiting it over

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01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 2: the years. And Mike says, just interacting with the players

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01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 2: and the too hype was fun too. I need my

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01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 2: kids to get older, so I looked less like the

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01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 2: weird adult trying to say what's up.

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01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 3: I remember the to O hype that was was real.

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01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 2: I had a key to the city before he played

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01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:10,640
Speaker 2: a game, and then while we were at camp they

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01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 2: unveiled the Tarrell Owen cereal to Os.

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Speaker 3: I remember we had to go to him.

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Speaker 2: There was like a big old press conference at a

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01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 2: local grocery store there to advertise the release of the

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01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 2: cereal to os, you know, and Terrell's there, he's hawking

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01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 2: the boxes of cereals.

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Speaker 8: It was.

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01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:32,719
Speaker 3: There was like fifty media members there for a cereal unveiling.

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Speaker 1: Let me just say that, right, there is quintessential drought management.

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01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 1: You are one hundred right, that is quintessential drought management.

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01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 1: That they were It was all about hope and marketing,

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01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 1: open selling, hype man. They open ye oh my goodness.

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Speaker 1: Remember the the the me is a meme now where

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01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 1: it's a it's one of the made for television movies

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Speaker 1: where Hitler's in his bunker and he kind of goes

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Speaker 1: off and they use oh yeah from the movie yes yes,

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01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 1: and Terrell oh, and they said, hey, you know, the

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01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 1: Bills just signed Torello and Hitler loses his mind because

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01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 1: he's a Bills. It's a meme now.

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01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 3: But they spoofed it.

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01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 1: They spoofed it. That's what it was like. It was

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01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 1: just that is that is so in the dark pits

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01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 1: of the drought.

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Speaker 3: It's right smack in the middle of Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 1: It is irretrievably irretrievably selling hope and hype. That's what

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01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:38,560
Speaker 1: they did. Yeah, that's what the team was relegated to

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01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 1: doing for a lot a lot of years.

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Speaker 2: Last one here from Jack meeting Sam Gash at Fredonia

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01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 2: training camp in ninety eight. I was in high school

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01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:46,640
Speaker 2: and lines were too long for an autograph. After the

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01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 2: first practice, went to lunch in the village in between

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01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 2: sessions with my dad, and he came into the joint

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01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 2: we were in.

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Speaker 3: He was very nice, sat and talked with us for

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01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 3: more than ten minutes.

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Speaker 1: Made a fan that day, Sam Gash, Great dude, good,

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01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 1: good dude. Yeah, it was gonna be great. You're gonna

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01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 1: be great. What's having him on there? And he came

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01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 1: in the year after I retired, so he and Thurman

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01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 1: became close and it was fun, fun to watch.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for all the submissions today kind of taking us

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01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 2: down memory lane of training camp. We're gonna make some

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Speaker 2: new memories this summer. Our show will be out there tomorrow,

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01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 2: so be sure to wave high if you're out.

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Speaker 3: Of training camp.

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01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 2: We'll be on the air from one to three giving

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01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 2: you full coverage of the first day at camp, including

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01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:27,719
Speaker 2: the first practice on the field.

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Speaker 3: We'll see tomorrow