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Speaker 1: Okay, we've got the results of that rate on Alshiva Hospital.
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Speaker 1: into some serious news here. The very latest coming out
Speaker 1: of Israel. So of course Al Shifa Hospital, you know,
Speaker 1: which has been sheltering thousands of people, has been under
Speaker 1: siege for quite a while, either running low on medical supplies, food, water,
Speaker 1: et cetera. You had, you know, a ran out of electricity.
Speaker 1: All of those horrifying images of premature babies have had
Speaker 1: to be taken out of incubators because the incubators could
Speaker 1: no longer function. So Israel was saying, this is where
Speaker 1: there is a huge command center for Hamas. Yesterday they
Speaker 1: released what they said was the evidence that they have
Speaker 1: found so far in what they described as the undeniable
Speaker 1: truth in this initial video.
Speaker 3: Let's take a look at what they presented.
Speaker 4: And what we have found, I think is only the
Speaker 4: tip of the iceberg. Let me show you a few examples.
Speaker 4: Security cameras have been obstructed. All of the security cameras
Speaker 4: are covered and this isn't the only one.
Speaker 5: You'll see the rest of them here.
Speaker 4: Follow me as we.
Speaker 5: Go in and we will see the MRI center.
Speaker 4: And see the weapons that Hamas has hidden inside. Were
Speaker 4: now as you can see, in an MRI room. I
Speaker 4: don't know when this was used the last time. I
Speaker 4: don't know when it was used the last time, but
Speaker 4: it is definitely.
Speaker 5: An MRI machine.
Speaker 4: And if you follow me behind the MRI machine, I'll
Speaker 4: show you what our troops exposed just minutes ago. In
Speaker 4: military terms, this is a grab bag, grab and go
Speaker 4: of a Hamas combatant. And if you zoom in and
Speaker 4: we get some light over here, what you will be
Speaker 4: able to see are military equipment. And when our troops
Speaker 4: open this closet here, which is in the main part
Speaker 4: of the clinic, this is what they found. These weapons
Speaker 4: have absolutely no business being inside a hospital. Before we
Speaker 4: go on, let's have a look at what we found
Speaker 4: inside the very same cabinet that houses medical equipment. You
Speaker 4: can see all kinds of standard medical stuff. We found
Speaker 4: another go to bag, this bag here, and again we
Speaker 4: opened it up in order to make sure that it's
Speaker 4: safe to touch and show, so please don't give me
Speaker 4: any of that.
Speaker 5: You open it up and you placed it there.
Speaker 4: This is the bag that we found, and this is
Speaker 4: the stuff that was in. Now there's insignia military insignia,
Speaker 4: a knife. For those of you who read Arabic, you'll
Speaker 4: be able to understand what it says here. But it's
Speaker 4: Hamas the military Wing Kataibl Cassam. Of course, a vest
Speaker 4: with equipment and as always an AK forty seven.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So in addition, they released a few photographs. Let's put
Speaker 1: those up on the screen as well. These were shared
Speaker 1: by Eric Toler. He's the one who does the visual
Speaker 1: investigations at the New York Times.
Speaker 3: His commentary is noteworthy.
Speaker 1: Says the IDEAF just released their first photos and videos
Speaker 1: from the Sifa hospital after last night's raid. I count
Speaker 1: ten guns. The IDF has claimed that the beating heart
Speaker 1: of hamasa's operations is beneath Shifa. Presumably they will release
Speaker 1: more photos in videos. Can go ahead and put the
Speaker 1: next one up on the screen. You see some firearms
Speaker 1: arranged on a table alongside what appears to be a
Speaker 1: large box of dates. Very important that no one have
Speaker 1: access to those dates, those could be very dangerous.
Speaker 2: Hager, Well, bad dates, and keep making the Indiana Jones joke.
Speaker 2: Eventually somebody will all right.
Speaker 1: So this is so far what they've presented to us,
Speaker 1: and I think it's important that we remember the way
Speaker 1: that they pitched why this operation was so necessary, because remember,
Speaker 1: typically hospitals are totally off limits in war. It requires
Speaker 1: extraordinary circums dances to justify even this raid, let alone
Speaker 1: you know, the sniper fire inside of the hospital, etc.
Speaker 3: So go and put this up on the screen.
Speaker 1: This was the original computer animation that they presented weeks
Speaker 1: ago to start to build the case for why they
Speaker 1: had to go in. And you see this elaborate tunnel network.
Speaker 1: It sort of looks like doctor Evil's layer or something
Speaker 1: like that. They were really selling this as this is
Speaker 1: the beating heart of Hamas HQ. Put this next piece
Speaker 1: up on the screen.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 1: This is how our own John Kirby, National Security Council
Speaker 1: spokesperson said the day before this raid. In order to
Speaker 1: effectively justify the raid on the hospital, he said, now
Speaker 1: in the hospitals, I can confirm for you that we
Speaker 1: have information me in the US that Hamas and Palestinian
Speaker 1: Islamic Jihad used some hospitals in the Gaza's trip, including
Speaker 1: Al Shifa, had tounns underneath them to conceal and to
Speaker 1: support their military operations and to hold hostages. Hamas and
Speaker 1: Palestinian Islamic Jihad members operate a and control node from
Speaker 1: Al Shifa in Gaza City. They have stored weapons there
Speaker 1: and they are prepared to respond to an Israeli military
Speaker 1: operation against that facility. And he went on to clarify
Speaker 1: that information related specifically to Al Shifa Sosagar. In advance,
Speaker 1: we were told command and control node, we were told
Speaker 1: elaborate underground tunnel network and bunkers. We were told Hamas
Speaker 1: would be there ready to respond, expectations of some big
Speaker 1: firefight with in the hospital that did not unfold, and
Speaker 1: even expectations that there would be potentially some hostages being
Speaker 1: held there. So far, all we've got is a few
Speaker 1: guns that they claim they found while investigating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's ahead, put this up there on the screen.
Speaker 2: Barakra Vide reporting from Israeli sources quote a senior Israeli
Speaker 2: official now says that the purpose of the IDF operation
Speaker 2: wasn't to rescue hostages, but to locate and expose a
Speaker 2: Hamas tunnels hub that connects the hospital with other parts
Speaker 2: of the Gaza strip. And so this is where they
Speaker 2: are starting to get into dicey territory for Israel, because
Speaker 2: let's go and put this up there on the screen.
Speaker 2: As you said, they previously had said that the entrance
Speaker 2: is a symbol that there's no place where we will
Speaker 2: not reach. And now they have to walk back and say,
Speaker 2: we did not think that we would find hostages, but
Speaker 2: we will now definitely locate and dismantle Hamas capabilities. The
Speaker 2: target and Alshifa is the tunnels that are underneath the hospital.
Speaker 2: So as of right now, they haven't released any footage
Speaker 2: yet of the hospitals, and this is going to be
Speaker 2: a difficult situation if Israel is not able to produce
Speaker 2: more evidence, because their level of intelligence that they presented
Speaker 2: to the world with the animation was that they knew
Speaker 2: the exact I mean, you all just saw it. We
Speaker 2: just showed it to you about where each bunker was.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons why they may even have knowledge
Speaker 2: of the bunker system is because Israel has actually built
Speaker 2: one of those bunkers in the nineteen eighties, and they
Speaker 2: alleged it had been expanded on by Hamas you know,
Speaker 2: post nineteen eighty three onward into expanding their tunnel network.
Speaker 2: One of the other reasons also is that much of
Speaker 2: the bombing campaign has been If you overlay where the
Speaker 2: majority of the air strikes are with past maps that
Speaker 2: the Israelis ever revealed about where the tunnel network is,
Speaker 2: you can see they're almost exactly one to one. The
Speaker 2: problem is that if they're not able to prove the
Speaker 2: existence of the most you know, the command node, the
Speaker 2: center of this tunnel network, it's going to call into
Speaker 2: question almost every piece of intelligence that they have presented. Now,
Speaker 2: since there also appears to not be a bit of
Speaker 2: a walk back from the White House, let's put this
Speaker 2: up there. After John Kirby had said that, you know,
Speaker 2: we'd have intelligence that says that there was a some
Speaker 2: sort of command center inside of the hospital, or at
Speaker 2: least he said a Hamas presence, I believe is what
Speaker 2: he said. Now he says, quote, we didn't give in
Speaker 2: command there you go, command node. We didn't give an
Speaker 2: okay for the Israeli operation in Al Shifa hospital. Kirby
Speaker 2: out of the US does not expect Israel to update
Speaker 2: it in advance about military operations in Gaza, so kind
Speaker 2: of a bizarre bit of a walk back. I think
Speaker 2: that was happening. So the context for all of this
Speaker 2: right now is that Israel's on a clock. And I
Speaker 2: would say, if in the next seventy two hours, if
Speaker 2: they don't release a video of like a pretty massive
Speaker 2: tunnel with a massive tunnel with a ton of video
Speaker 2: conferencing equipment and bomb stockpiles and all the other things
Speaker 2: you would expect in some sort of so called terrace headquarters,
Speaker 2: then it's not a good look. I guess we could
Speaker 2: just put it that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, even if you accept that they
Speaker 1: found these guns in their search, which given what we
Speaker 1: know about previous Israeli propaganda, is a real open question.
Speaker 1: Let's just say, even if you accept that this was
Speaker 1: not what was sold in terms of what this hospital
Speaker 1: represented to Hamas and Ryan Griham pointing out online that
Speaker 1: there are many American householders that have a larger arsenal
Speaker 1: than what was presented in these photographs. Of the top
Speaker 1: fifteen percent of American gun owners have more than the
Speaker 1: ten guns that were presented in these pictures. So again, listen,
Speaker 1: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and you know, a few
Speaker 1: weapons caches that you claim you found when you were
Speaker 1: going through the MRI room, etc. Does not even come
Speaker 1: close to justifying this assault on this hospital. So I'll
Speaker 1: give you I'll give you their side of the story.
Speaker 1: This is from the New York Times this morning. We
Speaker 1: don't have an element for this because this just came up.
Speaker 3: They're right up, they say.
Speaker 1: A day after the Israeli military took control of Gaz's
Speaker 1: largest hospital, soldiers on Thursday afternoon were still combing the
Speaker 1: site that Israel had said concealed a secret Hamas base,
Speaker 1: but had yet to present much evidence supporting that claim
Speaker 1: to the public, and Israeli military spokesman said that the
Speaker 1: search of the hospital grounds would take time because quote
Speaker 1: Hamas knew we were coming and had made off with
Speaker 1: or hidden traces of their presence there. Now again, Saber,
Speaker 1: As you're pointing out, that is also at odds with
Speaker 1: the presentation of how deep their intelligence knowledge of Alshifa
Speaker 1: Hospital was. They had sent photographs to news outlets claiming
Speaker 1: they pinpointed exactly the entrances to the Hamas tunnels, they
Speaker 1: knew exactly where to go. That doesn't exactly square up
Speaker 1: with Now we're, you know, two days in and still saying, well,
Speaker 1: we haven't really found it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're still looking. Now. Listen, they very well.
Speaker 2: Probably did know. Yeah, I mean, obviously.
Speaker 1: They very well may present additional evidence, and we will
Speaker 1: evaluate that as it comes in, but so far, pretty
Speaker 1: lackluster display of what they allegedly found when they.
Speaker 3: Rated the sun.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons I actually believe the arms and
Speaker 2: all that is that there would be no reason to
Speaker 2: prevent such a paltry amount that you say something, well,
Speaker 2: that's right, mean though, is you at least just scrounge up.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's also not unbelievable to have that those
Speaker 2: types of arms and all that, because obviously there was battles,
Speaker 2: you know, inside of the hospital. At the very least
Speaker 2: we know there was at least firefight, you know, coming in.
Speaker 2: It's not difficult.
Speaker 1: It wasn't firefighting inside the hospital outside the outside.
Speaker 2: You could at least believe though that Hamas clearly had
Speaker 2: a presence, you know, inside the hospital. I don't think
Speaker 2: that's outside the realm of possibility at all, the claim
Speaker 2: they made as a command center. And so that's why
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, Okay, I will. I actually want to
Speaker 2: say one thing though. We should all note this. The
Speaker 2: death toll from when they actually stormed the hospital was
Speaker 2: very low, and this highlights something that I have been
Speaker 2: trying to say here now for a long time. One
Speaker 2: of the problems with the Israeli tactics on all of
Speaker 2: this is that when you have boots on the ground,
Speaker 2: you can discern whether one person is a civilian and
Speaker 2: one person is not. You can't do that whenever you're
Speaker 2: dropping a bomb in one of the most crowded areas
Speaker 2: in the world. And so this I actually think vindicates
Speaker 2: ground operations specifically in this scenario where you have a
Speaker 2: huge civilian population, you have to be able to separate
Speaker 2: them from the militants. Again, I've been doing a lot
Speaker 2: of reading about the way that the US operated all
Speaker 2: throughout Afghanistan and Iraq, and around twenty twelve, in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 2: American special operations became so good that again you could
Speaker 2: actually she saw it in the bin Laden rate. You
Speaker 2: can go into a house which is full of what
Speaker 2: fifty or sixty women and children, You're only going to
Speaker 2: three kill the four people who are military aged with
Speaker 2: guns in their hand. And then the people who tried
Speaker 2: to shoot back at you and keep everybodybody else safe.
Speaker 2: That is the exact reason Obama didn't drop a bomb
Speaker 2: on the compound, exactly to avoid any of the scenario
Speaker 2: where we're like, well, well I never know and then
Speaker 2: you know, you blow up the evidence. This is one
Speaker 2: of those where they went in and they killed him,
Speaker 2: and this, I actually think again validates why, yes, you're
Speaker 2: going to take probably more casualties and more, but we
Speaker 2: didn't see a great massacre at the hospital. And that is,
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of their raid, at the very least,
Speaker 2: that's what you would want if you are Israel. Now,
Speaker 2: the bigger problem is that if they can't come up
Speaker 2: with the goods is if you are going to go
Speaker 2: to the extraordinary links now not only taking the hospital,
Speaker 2: but sending all these guys in the bombing campaign that preceded,
Speaker 2: the encircling of all of that and the tanks and
Speaker 2: the death that surrounds that, and then you can't come
Speaker 2: up with evidence, that's going to be very, very very
Speaker 2: problematic for them in the eyes of the world.
Speaker 1: Absolutely as it should be, because for weeks now they've
Speaker 1: been building this case as like this is the center
Speaker 1: of what we're aiming towards, I mean, all of the
Speaker 1: ground operations surrounding Gaza City.
Speaker 3: It was like this, this is.
Speaker 1: The granddaddy of the operation. We're trying to get to
Speaker 1: Alshifa Hospital. And so, you know, first of all, it
Speaker 1: seems like it may have been unnecessary to completely bomb
Speaker 1: and destroy all of Gaza City. How routes out with
Speaker 1: an op ed this morning talking about how Gaza City
Speaker 1: is basically completely uninhabitable right now already because of the
Speaker 1: widespread nature of the bombing campaign and the extent of
Speaker 1: the destruction just you know, indiscriminate across the entire city.
Speaker 1: But we know why, Well, there's a few reasons why
Speaker 1: they took this approach. One of them is that they
Speaker 1: don't want any casualties on their side.
Speaker 3: They really want to completely minimize.
Speaker 1: Any risk and if that means killing more Palestinians and
Speaker 1: destroying more of Gaza City, then that's what they're going
Speaker 1: to do. But I also think very telling that piece
Speaker 1: we put up earlier, which we can actually put back
Speaker 1: up on the screen A six, where you have this
Speaker 1: Hebrew language news outlet that spoke with the seniors really
Speaker 1: official who admitted like no, the reason we're going to
Speaker 1: Al Shifa is because it's a symbol that there is
Speaker 1: no place we will not reach. I think that is
Speaker 1: so telling as to the real goals of this operation,
Speaker 1: based on the military tactics from the beginning. I saw
Speaker 1: another report Sager saying like again, it was kind of
Speaker 1: like cope after not really actually finding any Hamas militants
Speaker 1: there after there not being a firefight inside the hospital,
Speaker 1: which was something that even John Kirby had previewed, like, oh,
Speaker 1: we think that they're ready to respond militarily from inside
Speaker 1: the hospital. That didn't happen, finding no hostages there, et cetera.
Speaker 1: It was, well, we expected that Hamas had already moved
Speaker 1: to the south. We expected that they were already gone
Speaker 1: from here. It's like, well, why didn't you say that beforehand?
Speaker 1: Number one and number two? You've been telling everybody to
Speaker 1: go to the south, and now you're saying, okay, well,
Speaker 1: I guess if you're really your goal is really to
Speaker 1: eradicate Hamas, which I would argue that is not their goal.
Speaker 1: Their goal is, you know, to just have indiscriminate destruction
Speaker 1: as a as the idea of spokesperson himself said then
Speaker 1: you know, why have you sent everybody to the south
Speaker 1: and claim that they're going to be safe if this
Speaker 1: is the next phase of the.
Speaker 2: Operation, I don't know. I mean, listen, we can't put
Speaker 2: ourselves in the head. We can only read like what
Speaker 2: they're doing. I would say, actually, I'm not really sure Crystal,
Speaker 2: that the goal is just necessarily indiscriminate. I would say
Speaker 2: that they were basically just willing to pull the trigger
Speaker 2: in a scenario where the vast majority of Western militaries
Speaker 2: would not do so, as in you know, the bar
Speaker 2: for action with the United States. I mean, you can
Speaker 2: even actually compare the US. I remember I covered this
Speaker 2: at the time. The Kundu's Hospital, this was a big deal,
Speaker 2: I feel. Recall it was twenty fifteen. There was a
Speaker 2: big the city of Kundu's just retaken by the Taliban.
Speaker 2: The US Special Operations and Afghans got into a crazy
Speaker 2: firefight with the Taliban and a Doctor's Without Borders hospital
Speaker 2: actually in Kundu's was bombed and there was a massive outcry.
Speaker 2: The US did a full investigation. Initially there were claims
Speaker 2: that there were Taliban fighters inside of the hospital. That
Speaker 2: was the justification and Barack Obama had to publicly issue
Speaker 2: an apology to doctors without Borders. Now, I'm just again
Speaker 2: just comparing, like, look at the way that the US
Speaker 2: fought war versus now the Israelis, and I think they're
Speaker 2: very much, you know, learning this exact same problematic lessons
Speaker 2: I talked about with this Ryan. They're in there two
Speaker 2: thousand and three shock and off phase where basically it's
Speaker 2: like free fire, you can do what you want, and
Speaker 2: overwhelming firepower and all of that. But they're going to
Speaker 2: learn real quick. This possible could be a lesson for them,
Speaker 2: and they'll probably eventually get to the point where we were,
Speaker 2: although the irony is that we already did that. You know,
Speaker 2: you could already read and see all of the lessons
Speaker 2: for that if you want. But you mentioned the new
Speaker 2: southern campaign that could be opening up, So why don't
Speaker 2: we move.
Speaker 5: On to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would just say that you can judge by
Speaker 1: the actions, you can also judge by their words. IDF
Speaker 1: spokesperson Daniel Hagari said the emphasis is on damage, not accuracy,
Speaker 1: and I think that is very clear in the campaign that.
Speaker 3: They have been waging.
Speaker 1: Here, let's go ahead and move on to the next piece.
Speaker 1: Let's put this up on the screen of what is
Speaker 1: set to unfold. You are having people receive flyers now
Speaker 1: in the south of Gaza, Israeli Army dropping flyers instructing
Speaker 1: con Unice residents now to evacuate two known shelters, citing
Speaker 1: Hamas presence in the area. Thousands of displaced Palestinians of course,
Speaker 1: sought shelter in Conunice in southern Gaza after Israel told
Speaker 1: them to evacuate the north. So they have already basically
Speaker 1: completely destroyed Gaza City. They blew up the parliament building
Speaker 1: there as well. There's some pretty dramatic footage of that
Speaker 1: as well. And now they're dropping flyers in the south. Now,
Speaker 1: the south has never been immune from this bombing campaign,
Speaker 1: by the way. It has been more intense and more
Speaker 1: aggressive and more widespread in the north, but the South
Speaker 1: has not been spared whatsoever. So what this seems to indicate, Sager,
Speaker 1: is that they're moving on to southern Gaza, and that
Speaker 1: the scale of attacks and scale of the bombing campaign
Speaker 1: in southern Gaza is likely to ramp up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well, is that
Speaker 2: they are Remember the Conunis area is one that they've
Speaker 2: also claimed has also been one with a massive tunnel network.
Speaker 2: We have some maps, actually, we can put this up
Speaker 2: there on the screen, which is quite useful. From the
Speaker 2: Financial Times they always do an excellent job for those
Speaker 2: who are watching. You can see that the blue areas
Speaker 2: show an Israeli ground operation and the overall is incursion.
Speaker 2: So you can see that the city of Gaza City
Speaker 2: is entirely surrounded the Conunis area. Let's go and put
Speaker 2: the next one up there, please on the screen, because
Speaker 2: this shows you where the next phase of the fight
Speaker 2: could come. Has had hundreds of targets that have actually
Speaker 2: been hit by Israeli air strikes. And the problem is
Speaker 2: that it's also below the demarcation zone of where they
Speaker 2: had told people to flee, and if they're going to
Speaker 2: tell people to flee from Conunis, it basically leaves around
Speaker 2: two something million people to squeeze in that tiny area
Speaker 2: between the Rafa crossing and between the overall southern area,
Speaker 2: and that's obviously going to be incredibly difficult logistically, and
Speaker 2: that really could open up a new phase. I think
Speaker 2: of the overall operation is if they decide to go
Speaker 2: into this, if they continue with the same level of bombing,
Speaker 2: but also if they continue with the same ground operation,
Speaker 2: I still have a lot of questions around what they
Speaker 2: are actually doing. So the number of IDFKIA officially around
Speaker 2: fifty two and the level of casualties is not genuinely
Speaker 2: consistent with clearing tunnels, with firefights and with any of that,
Speaker 2: and so it really does raise the question around, like,
Speaker 2: what are the genuine military objectives that are being accomplished
Speaker 2: by these guys who are like on the ground. What's
Speaker 2: actually happening? And I actually think this Hospital Crystal could
Speaker 2: be a big turning point because it could push the US,
Speaker 2: I think over the edge or the international community if
Speaker 2: the level if there is an intelligence failure. Again, if
Speaker 2: this is a big if we still don't know what
Speaker 2: the major evidence and all of that is, but if
Speaker 2: it is a big intelligence failure, it could then lead
Speaker 2: to a rug pull for the Western support at this point,
Speaker 2: which is already shaky at best. Yeah, you know, in
Speaker 2: terms of how the US and the overall rest of
Speaker 2: the West is approaching this conflict.
Speaker 1: Put a eight up on the screen, guys, because this
Speaker 1: was a first there was the US actually allowed. They
Speaker 1: didn't veto it they just abstained. They allowed the UN
Speaker 1: Security Council to pass a resolution calling for pauses in
Speaker 1: the fighting in Gaza. That's different than the ceasefire. But
Speaker 1: as Barack Revied points out, here's the first time the
Speaker 1: UN Security Council adopts any resolution on the war. And
Speaker 1: I mean to me in terms of what their goals are. Here,
Speaker 1: to me, it's not a mystery based on the statements
Speaker 1: about of you know, Israeli officials, based on the one
Speaker 1: I just told you about from the IDF spokesperson, based
Speaker 1: on the plans that were leaked strategically from an official
Speaker 1: Israeli government ministry that said, no, what our ideal situation
Speaker 1: is we push everybody displaced, everyone from the north, then
Speaker 1: we push everybody to the south, and we basically force
Speaker 1: Egypt and other Arab nations to take in this Palestinian population.
Speaker 1: This is something that members of the Netnyahu coalition have
Speaker 1: wanted for quite some time and have been openly advocating
Speaker 1: for really for years. So it shouldn't be any surprise
Speaker 1: that this is the goal. That the goal is complete
Speaker 1: ethnic cleansing of the Gaza strip. And there were reports
Speaker 1: about how pressure is being put on Egypt to use
Speaker 1: their considerable debt load to try to pressure them into this.
Speaker 1: There were also reports that there's pressure being put on
Speaker 1: the US to take in Palestinian refugees as well. But
Speaker 1: you know, to me, it's very clear what the goal is.
Speaker 1: The only question is whether they'll really be able to
Speaker 1: accomplish this goal. But I just think it's important to
Speaker 1: keep in mind where we already are in this conflict,
Speaker 1: which is, for Gaza City was incredibly densely populated. You know,
Speaker 1: this is where the majority of the population of Gaza
Speaker 1: lived and it's gone. I mean, forty five percent of
Speaker 1: all homes within all of the Gaza Strip, not just
Speaker 1: in Gaza City, have already been damaged or destroyed. The
Speaker 1: people who the millions who have been displaced from their homes,
Speaker 1: like there's nothing for them to go back to in
Speaker 1: Gaza City, that's already where we are. So, you know,
Speaker 1: are they degrading hamas capabilities?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: We haven't really seen much evidence of that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean we haven't seen much evidence of like
Speaker 1: really going directly and targeting the military infrastructure. And then
Speaker 1: there's also the question that Elon Musk asked and that
Speaker 1: the Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff asked as well,
Speaker 1: which is how many new Hamas members are you creating
Speaker 1: with these actions? Which is part of, you know, the
Speaker 1: lesson we should have taken from our actions in responding
Speaker 1: to nine to eleven. So for me, it's not really
Speaker 1: a mystery what their goals are, what their approaches. You
Speaker 1: can see it in what they're telling, you know, their
Speaker 1: own population, what they're saying publicly, and the military actions
Speaker 1: that are unfolding on the ground.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I look, is that the goal of
Speaker 2: the Israeli far right?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is it the overall goal of the Israeli military? I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: Like I said, well, I mean that's really military is
Speaker 3: just doing what they are.
Speaker 2: Well, we know that you read I actually think was
Speaker 2: quite accurate, is that they're going for damage, not accuracy.
Speaker 2: But that's kind of what I'm saying, is that they're
Speaker 2: basically willing to pull the trigger on a fifteen to
Speaker 2: twenty percent chance. That's just not something in the way
Speaker 2: most Western militaries would act. That's a different thing though
Speaker 2: than it targeted like we're going to blow as much
Speaker 2: civilians up as possible. I don't really think that's what
Speaker 2: they're doing. I think it's more in terms of their
Speaker 2: I just don't care as much about collateral damage. But
Speaker 2: there is good there's an important difference between those two.
Speaker 1: But at what point do we go beyond quote unquote
Speaker 1: collateral damage when somewhere around ninety percent of the deaths
Speaker 1: are civilian, At what point do you know? Listen, people
Speaker 1: can lie about their intent, but the numbers don't lie.
Speaker 1: Forty percent of the deaths are children. So at what
Speaker 1: point do you say, like, this isn't collateral damage. This
Speaker 1: is part of the goal of the operation, as evidence
Speaker 1: by what has unfolded us far.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm saying, though, is that they just
Speaker 2: don't care about that number, and they would care and
Speaker 2: point to the one fair I'm not justifying this. I'm
Speaker 2: only saying that the intent matters and what it all
Speaker 2: looks like it actually is.
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know that the intent does
Speaker 1: matter at a certain point when you have this level
Speaker 1: of civilian death and targeting of civilian.
Speaker 2: Infrastructure, the intent matters in terms of whether they're going
Speaker 2: to what the goal is, and how they're what they're
Speaker 2: willing to. So let's say that their red line was
Speaker 2: ethnic cleansing. They're like, this is our full blown goal.
Speaker 2: That's not what you would do that, you would do
Speaker 2: something different. Now, it can be a secondary goal. It
Speaker 2: could be one of those things that it would be nice,
Speaker 2: it would fulfill some political you know, objective, but that's
Speaker 2: not the the way you would conduct That is what
Speaker 2: they did in uh what between Azerbaijan and Armenia. That's
Speaker 2: what actual full blown ethnic cleansing.
Speaker 4: Some of it.
Speaker 1: They laid down exactly what the goal was, and they
Speaker 1: have un like the.
Speaker 3: Phase by phase process.
Speaker 1: First move people out of the north, then put pressure
Speaker 1: on the south.
Speaker 2: Well, this is exactly that's exactly what.
Speaker 1: Is being what is unfolded thus far, and then you
Speaker 1: put off the table any other solutions. So for example,
Speaker 1: the US, which you know, there's a lot of problems
Speaker 1: to this idea too, is like, hey, let's have the
Speaker 1: Palestinian authority run the Gaza Strip afterwards. No, that's not
Speaker 1: going to work for US, which is no surprise because
Speaker 1: number one, I mean, I think Palestinian authority probably isn't
Speaker 1: up to the task. But number two, they don't want
Speaker 1: unity between the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. And
Speaker 1: then when you couple what's already unfolding in Gaza with
Speaker 1: what's being done in the West Bank, with settlers being
Speaker 1: turned loose and basically running wild, massacring Palestinians there as well,
Speaker 1: and pushing them off their land too. It's very hard
Speaker 1: for me not to look at the facts as they're
Speaker 1: unfolding and say, Yeah, this is the goal, this is
Speaker 1: the plan that is unfolding, this is what they're pushing towards,
Speaker 1: and the only question is whether anyone's going to stand
Speaker 1: in their way.
Speaker 2: Well, I think you think that because you have a
Speaker 2: very look. I think you're coming at it from a
Speaker 2: place of zero trust from Israel. I wouldn't say I
Speaker 2: have zero let's call it. I don't know. I have
Speaker 2: a neutral trust of both Hamas and of Israel, not
Speaker 2: willing to assume the worst of really anyone except for
Speaker 2: the Hamas terrorists, but specifically not the PA. So ethnic
Speaker 2: cleansing or genocide is one where you have an explicit
Speaker 2: aim of wiping out this entire race or pushing them
Speaker 2: out of the region. Now, is that existing in a
Speaker 2: document which we covered here on the show. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 2: is that the official plan? I don't know. There are
Speaker 2: all kinds of secret plans inside the Pentagon. There are
Speaker 2: plans inside the Pentagon to break a rack into three parts.
Speaker 2: There was actually very serious considered at one point, pushed
Speaker 2: by Vice President Joe Biden. Does that mean it was
Speaker 2: the actual plan of the US government. Not really. I
Speaker 2: actually don't think there is a plan. I think there
Speaker 2: are disparate elements within the Israeli governments, some of them
Speaker 2: wo want as ethnic cleansing, some of them who have
Speaker 2: no problem with collateral damage, some of whom are probably
Speaker 2: much more Westerner aligned and are ashamed of the way
Speaker 2: that the entire operation goes. And this is like what
Speaker 2: the consensus view is. So that seems to me like
Speaker 2: it's much more like of a cluster rather than any
Speaker 2: explicit aim. Now that doesn't justify what all of the
Speaker 2: deaths are, but it comes to how are we going
Speaker 2: to as the United States, international Community, Israel, all of us,
Speaker 2: what does this all end up look like? I think
Speaker 2: it probably ends whenever the international community just rug pulls
Speaker 2: its support. There will be no final determination on Hamas.
Speaker 2: There will just be a high death toll. There will
Speaker 2: be now a huge squabble over internal security indefinite and
Speaker 2: all of that, and I think it's more, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: is more terrifying that there isn't a plan, that there
Speaker 2: isn't a consensus plan. So I don't think that there
Speaker 2: is a plan.
Speaker 1: You're right, I don't trust Israel. But actually, at this
Speaker 1: I'm taking them at their word. When you have Security minister,
Speaker 1: a Security Cabinet member and Minister Avi Diktor of the
Speaker 1: Coud party Na Yahu's party announcing the plan for residents
Speaker 1: of Gaza is Gaza knock but twenty twenty three, that's
Speaker 1: how it'll end. When you have Bezaliel Smotrich calling for
Speaker 1: the quote voluntary migration of Gaza Arabs to the countries
Speaker 1: of the world. When you have Nanyahu himself comparing Palestinians
Speaker 1: to the biblical foe of the Jewish people Amlek, who
Speaker 1: they are called to destroy, including women and children. I'm
Speaker 1: taking them at their word of what they actually want
Speaker 1: to do here and as evidence by their actions thus far,
Speaker 1: which are entirely consistent with pushing the population out of
Speaker 1: Gaza entirely. Now again, does that mean they will succeed?
Speaker 1: Not necessarily. It depends on whether the US decides that
Speaker 1: we are going to you know, accept this quote unquote
Speaker 1: final solution. And I do use those words very intentionally
Speaker 1: of the population in the Gaza strip or whether we
Speaker 1: are going to step in and use the considerable leverage
Speaker 1: that we have. But I'm just looking at their actual
Speaker 1: statements and their actions on the ground.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Christel, but you know the person that
Speaker 2: you read is a freaking agricultural That's like saying Tom
Speaker 2: Vilsack's opinion on Israel matters, like.
Speaker 3: Who is a member of the security cabinet.
Speaker 2: Yes, but I mean technically Tom Vilsack is thet a
Speaker 2: member of the US cabinet. Well, do you want to
Speaker 2: take I.
Speaker 1: Say, now the president of Israel saying there are no
Speaker 1: innocent civilians?
Speaker 2: Much more important?
Speaker 1: You want to take that Yahoo himself again comparing them
Speaker 1: to Amelek.
Speaker 3: The historical foe of the Jewish people.
Speaker 1: Uh, and you know, calling for them to be completely
Speaker 1: wiped out, including women, children and infants.
Speaker 2: So I agree. I think that the President of Israel,
Speaker 2: who by the way, is the head of state, actually
Speaker 2: has no power. But that's a second and everything. It's
Speaker 2: still important for the head of state for what the
Speaker 2: statements and all that his statements nets and Yao's statements
Speaker 2: and the security ministers or the Defense minister statements are
Speaker 2: the single most and what we would recognize that in
Speaker 2: the US system. Now none of them have said anything
Speaker 2: like that. That said, that doesn't mean it's not problematic
Speaker 2: and that there isn't any real internal policing going on.
Speaker 2: So I'm just saying I think we should all be
Speaker 2: super reluctant to just throw these terms out there. You
Speaker 2: can have terrible net effects, but actual intent matters a
Speaker 2: lot in terms of how things are going to end up,
Speaker 2: and I think people may are probably reading this as
Speaker 2: like covering for these Raelies. I. Again, the effect matters
Speaker 2: the most into the families and the people who are dead.
Speaker 2: That's actually what matters the most. However, from an international
Speaker 2: relations and geopolitics perspective, what their intent is and how
Speaker 2: we can actually shape the situation to our benefit and
Speaker 2: not what their real aims are that matters in terms
Speaker 2: of how we lessen the security implications on us, and
Speaker 2: also what they want. What their future is is Netta now,
Speaker 2: who is not going to be there forever. So if
Speaker 2: that was the explicit aim, is that the official aim
Speaker 2: of the entire Israeli security cabinet is at the aim
Speaker 2: of what the general consensus is of the Israeli population.
Speaker 2: I genuinely would say no. And so I think part
Speaker 2: of the issue is that you have a lot of
Speaker 2: disparate coalitions inside Israel right now they had to have
Speaker 2: no most of them don't even know what they want.
Speaker 2: Even the hostage thing, I mean, hostages really remains like
Speaker 2: the single uniting thing probably within Israeli society. Well, I
Speaker 2: would say, then it's like, well, you know what actions
Speaker 2: are actually being taken to release the hostages. I always
Speaker 2: find that a bit odd and in terms of the
Speaker 2: discourse because it's like some things are very incongruent with
Speaker 2: releasing hostages or not cease fire deals, diplomacy, etc. When
Speaker 2: that falls apart, now what so, I think we're in
Speaker 2: the worst situation. I think it's very much like Iraq.
Speaker 2: There were a lot of different people who wanted to
Speaker 2: invade Iraq for various different reasons, democracy, promotion, security, you know,
Speaker 2: all kinds of other non profits you know, on cases,
Speaker 2: And what ended up happening is that because there was
Speaker 2: no real overall security aim with that, the day after
Speaker 2: it became a cluster and we ended up saying there
Speaker 2: for twenty years. I think very likely that's the same
Speaker 2: scenario that's going to happen for Israel. But that doesn't
Speaker 2: necessarily mean that that's the overall intent. That doesn't also
Speaker 2: mean that it's not horrible to be Palestinian to live
Speaker 2: into Gaza right now.
Speaker 1: So even if you want to say that it's unclear, yes,
Speaker 1: what the intent is at this point, it's too late.
Speaker 1: By the time it's already happened and you say like, oh,
Speaker 1: I guess they really did want to do the ethnic
Speaker 1: cleansing that they've been telling us all this time that
Speaker 1: they wanted to do, then it's too late. That's why
Speaker 1: it's important to look at the words and the actions
Speaker 1: that are being taken now. And again, Sager, you already
Speaker 1: have about two million people who are.
Speaker 2: Displaced, Yes, God, but at least there really.
Speaker 1: Displaced it and I'm ninety percent roughly civilian casualty toll.
Speaker 1: You already have Palestinians being aggressively pushed off of their
Speaker 1: land in the West Bank aiden embedded by the IDF.
Speaker 1: So you know, I think part of this is thinking
Speaker 1: clearly about what has this government said in the past
Speaker 1: they want to do, what are the plans that they
Speaker 1: have you know, strategically leaked to the public. What are
Speaker 1: their comments now and what are the actions that we
Speaker 1: see unless we want to you know, look back and say, whoops,
Speaker 1: we aided and about at and ethic cleansing. Didn't really
Speaker 1: mean to thought they intended something different. I guess it's
Speaker 1: too late now.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I mean I think that the dangers of
Speaker 2: it behind ethnic cleansing are very real. I think it's
Speaker 2: very possible also within the current security cabinet. But for now,
Speaker 2: two million of them are alive. We have a chance,
Speaker 2: I think, in order to try and draw the operation
Speaker 2: to a close, have some of security thing, which is
Speaker 2: which the Israelis can accept, and then move pat get
Speaker 2: the hostages out and actually move to a situation where
Speaker 2: these people can at the very least return, you know,
Speaker 2: to where they were from, and with the international support
Speaker 2: and hopefully Israel paying the bill, not America, they can
Speaker 2: actually stay and then possibly we can all move forward.
Speaker 2: Now that's what I would like to see. Whether the
Speaker 2: Israelis want to see that, I don't think so. Whether
Speaker 2: Hamas actually wants that either, It's not like this hasn't
Speaker 2: been a very beneficial situation to them. I think that's
Speaker 2: very very much true the Arab world and the international community.
Speaker 2: I think that we're actually near, We're much nearer to
Speaker 2: a deciding point away from the current situation than we
Speaker 2: were before. And I actually I think that that could
Speaker 2: be could be a beneficial direction that we would move in,
Speaker 2: especially with whatever happens with this hospital. That's really what
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: One in two hundred at least residents of Gaza Palestinians
Speaker 1: and Gaza have already been killed. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if we're still doing like the nine to eleven math.
Speaker 2: No, we need to put it complete shutdown.
Speaker 1: I don't have any idea how many nine to elevens
Speaker 1: that equates to, but I just want people to sit
Speaker 1: and think what that would mean. One and two hundred
Speaker 1: residents of the Gaza strip have already been killed. That's
Speaker 1: where we're at in this operation right now.
Speaker 2: So I think that would be my back of the
Speaker 2: n African math is a couple hundred thousand Americans, But
Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent sure. Again, though I am
Speaker 2: calling for a shutdown.
Speaker 3: Nine eleven math, I'm not calculated. I'll have it here.
Speaker 3: People will be super annoyed with me.
Speaker 2: Ever, Shi Shingping, we had a big meeting, arguably, as
Speaker 2: I said, the most important meeting in the world. We
Speaker 2: didn't have any crazy developments, but they met for over
Speaker 2: four hours face to face with his extraordinary always to
Speaker 2: have any president and the premiere of China sit down
Speaker 2: for that long period of time. Let's take a listen
Speaker 2: to a little bit of what was said inside of
Speaker 2: the meeting.
Speaker 6: Ready ready for I value our conversation because I think
Speaker 6: it's paramount that you and I understand each other clearly,
Speaker 6: leader to leader, with no misconceptions or miscommunication. We have
Speaker 6: to ensure that competition does not veer in the conflict,
Speaker 6: and we also have to manage it responsibly. Competition, that's
Speaker 6: what the United States want and what we intend to do.
Speaker 7: This relationship has never been smooth sailing over the past
Speaker 7: fifty years or more, and it always faces problems of
Speaker 7: one kind or another. Yet it has kept moving forward
Speaker 7: amid twists and turns.
Speaker 2: So what you heard a little bit there was like
Speaker 2: the pleasantries that are involved. Obviously, she doesn't like the
Speaker 2: press or didn't answer any questions. There were no press
Speaker 2: conferences or any of that. But the public statements from
Speaker 2: him and the readouts are some things that we can
Speaker 2: parse about what was said within the meeting. Let's go
Speaker 2: and put this up there on the screen. The Chinese
Speaker 2: are obsessed with the concept of mutual respect, and when
Speaker 2: they say that word, what they mean is that whatever
Speaker 2: we say goes, and then whatever you say, well, it
Speaker 2: may go, it may not go. But the idea is
Speaker 2: is that all things should be discussed on a footing
Speaker 2: in which each person's viewpoint is considered valid, and by
Speaker 2: that they mostly mean their own. What happened in this
Speaker 2: meeting was very important. President Hichinpang of China told quote
Speaker 2: that it was unrealistic for either of the two largest
Speaker 2: economic and military superpowers to expect to quote red the other,
Speaker 2: as both countries tried in their own way to halt
Speaker 2: the downward spiral in their relationship. He also took pains
Speaker 2: to emphasize quote that planet Earth is big enough for
Speaker 2: two superpowers. I think the use of the word superpower
Speaker 2: and Earth were also very intentional in terms of what
Speaker 2: they said. The Chinese came in with this with a
Speaker 2: single goal, crystal, and that was to ensure that continued
Speaker 2: decoupling policy, which is effectively bipartisan now at this point
Speaker 2: does not proceed. The Chinese economy is suffering dearly. Something
Speaker 2: that you should take note of is that sitting right
Speaker 2: next to President Biden with Secretary Janet Yellen, who is
Speaker 2: as big of a China economic dove as exists within
Speaker 2: the US cabinet, and in fact, there were explicit decisions
Speaker 2: made in terms of the seating chart and all of
Speaker 2: that to make sure that President Biden had his most
Speaker 2: China friendly aids around him. That the Chinese also wanted
Speaker 2: to dictate for who that they were talking to. The
Speaker 2: important point that they were trying to do is that
Speaker 2: they're trying to throw America a bone on something that
Speaker 2: they really really wanted. We wanted to store our military
Speaker 2: to military communications for deconfliction purposes in the South China.
Speaker 2: See that's important. Actually, yeah, one hundred percent support that.
Speaker 2: The reason why is that they were suspended after the balloon.
Speaker 2: What they also wanted was to make sure that we
Speaker 2: understood that they could turn up the economic the pain
Speaker 2: on us if they wanted to in the middle of
Speaker 2: an election year. But also they want us to stop
Speaker 2: putting the economic pain on them. Almost all of it
Speaker 2: comes back to Shishiping in his grasp on power. Apparently
Speaker 2: there was a comment made probably who knows how far
Speaker 2: you can take this to the bank. China said they
Speaker 2: didn't address Taiwan exactly, but just said that they wouldn't
Speaker 2: expect any military action quote in the coming years. Overall,
Speaker 2: the meeting itself probably went well in that there were
Speaker 2: no major falling apart episodes. There wasn't a repeat of
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty one meeting where Jake Sullivan met with
Speaker 2: his counterpart in Alaska and basically got screamed out on
Speaker 2: camera for four hours, which probably marked a real like
Speaker 2: nader I guess for the relationship. So interestingly, I think
Speaker 2: from America's point of view, what Biden wanted going into
Speaker 2: the meeting is he basically wanted to telegraph to she.
Speaker 2: He's like, don't make my life harder. I've got Ukraine
Speaker 2: and I've got Israel. Just please you don't be a
Speaker 2: problem for me. And she very much wants to use
Speaker 2: that to his advantage, and he's like, okay, but then
Speaker 2: I'm going to need to see you guys play ball
Speaker 2: with me a little bit here. This is all in
Speaker 2: the context of the overall APEC meeting with other Asian
Speaker 2: leaders who are inside of San Francisco. We talked about
Speaker 2: all the domestic stuff too on Tuesday, the.
Speaker 3: Clean up, the clean up San Francis where he admitted it.
Speaker 2: He admitted it on camera. That's a whole other thing.
Speaker 3: I guess I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: And yes, yeah, we appreciate honesty on this show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's a few things that are interesting
Speaker 1: to me. First of all, it's important to remember that,
Speaker 1: you know, basically there was such a massive fallout.
Speaker 3: Over that whole balloon situation.
Speaker 1: There was wasn't Blinkeln that was supposed to travel to
Speaker 1: China and canceled his trip, and so since then things
Speaker 1: have been on a bit of a downward spiral. So
Speaker 1: that's part of why this meeting takes on extra importance.
Speaker 1: The last time the tube pet was a year ago,
Speaker 1: is on the sidelines of the G twenty in Bali.
Speaker 1: There was the stated goal of that meeting was to
Speaker 1: try to create a quote floor under the relationship. That
Speaker 1: didn't go all that well. This one seems to have
Speaker 1: gone much better. They also agreed China agreed to crack
Speaker 1: down on the flow of chemicals used to make fentanel
Speaker 1: to Mexican cartel, So that was the additional But Saber,
Speaker 1: do you read into this that there's been kind of
Speaker 1: a pivot on China's part because of the economic stress
Speaker 1: that they're under right now?
Speaker 2: Hard to say. China is probably in the best position
Speaker 2: that's ever been in its relationship with the United States
Speaker 2: in terms of power. And what a reason I mean
Speaker 2: by that is that I just laid it out. I mean,
Speaker 2: to me, this is the most important. The reason we
Speaker 2: put the second I know it's boring and I apologize,
Speaker 2: is this is the most important meeting in the world.
Speaker 2: But the way that the Biden administration and most people
Speaker 2: in Washington think, they think Ukraine is the frontline of democracy,
Speaker 2: and they think that Israel is like the greate most
Speaker 2: important the thing. They should dominate all of our politics,
Speaker 2: they should dominate all of our militaryat and all that.
Speaker 2: It's like, what if I told you that neither Israel
Speaker 2: or Ukraine isn't even close to the top twenty in
Speaker 2: our trading partners in the world. China is literally number two,
Speaker 2: especially if you consider Canada and Mexico. When you really
Speaker 2: think about how singularly important the relationship is there and
Speaker 2: then the fate of the Asia Pacific. To me, it's
Speaker 2: crazy that they want to look at China as a sideshow.
Speaker 2: So China is in a very Here's the thing too,
Speaker 2: if you're coming in to a meeting, if you know
Speaker 2: President Biden and Jake Sullivan are obsessed with Ukraine, what
Speaker 2: are you going to sit there and talk about all day? Oh,
Speaker 2: maybe we'll give Russia weapons, maybe we won't. And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but as long as you're talking about that, you're not
Speaker 2: talking about our three oh one tariffs on steel. We're
Speaker 2: not talking about Taiwan, We're not talking about Japan, South Korea,
Speaker 2: countries that actually produce things which are important for US.
Speaker 2: This is the problem, My overall problem with the Biden
Speaker 2: administration's foreign policy is they are it's like they are
Speaker 2: living in the two thousand and three world in how
Speaker 2: they conduct their overall foreign policy see or even think
Speaker 2: about the economy, mostly because Biden is old and they
Speaker 2: refuse to wake up to fifty percent of the world.
Speaker 2: GDP is sitting in San Francisco right now with the
Speaker 2: APEC conference. When you include China and yet there are
Speaker 2: it's a sideshow to everything that else is happening. So
Speaker 2: for China, they really want to use that in order
Speaker 2: to make sure that they can drive down any of
Speaker 2: the ex bipartisan movement on tariffs here in Washington, and
Speaker 2: I actually think they're going to be successful. I would
Speaker 2: expect that there is going to be some teriff relief
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four because the Biden people are under
Speaker 2: such pressure to deliver a better economy. And of course
Speaker 2: what's the easiest thing you give up on the tariffs,
Speaker 2: which is laughable when you really consider it, because that's
Speaker 2: just short term bump, short term reduction in price at
Speaker 2: the overall expense of American manufacturing. So anyway, that's my
Speaker 2: overall read of the situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that makes sense.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the polling.
Speaker 1: New poll from Reuters just came out and it shows
Speaker 1: pretty rapidly collapsing support for Israel's war on Gozig. We've
Speaker 1: got the comparison of where these are were previously and
Speaker 1: where they are now. So previously you had forty one
Speaker 1: percent who said that the US should back Israel in
Speaker 1: that Reuters HIPSOS poll that was conducted October twelve through thirteenth.
Speaker 1: In this latest poll, it drops to thirty two percent.
Speaker 1: At the same time, the percent that says we should
Speaker 1: just be a neutral mediator has increased from twenty seven
Speaker 1: percent to thirty nine percent. And SAGAF you look at
Speaker 1: this poll further. They also asked about the popularity of
Speaker 1: a ceasefire. You have overwhelming support for a ceasfire. Sixty
Speaker 1: eight percent of respondents said they agreed with the statement
Speaker 1: that Israel should call a ceasefire and try to negotiate,
Speaker 1: and that includes about three quarters of Democrats and even
Speaker 1: half of Republicans support a ceasefire according to this poll.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty interesting how much this cuts against
Speaker 2: I would say the overall like bipartisan consensus at the
Speaker 2: elite level. The most important one I actually thought was
Speaker 2: about the neutral arbiter, about how there's been rising support
Speaker 2: for wanting the US to play a more neutral role
Speaker 2: in the conflict. And that actually is a point that
Speaker 2: Glenn Greenwell has been consistently making. Here is we have
Speaker 2: all whipped ourselves into a post nine to eleven type
Speaker 2: hysteria about a conflict in a foreign country. Listen, I
Speaker 2: like Israel. I like Israel as much as I like
Speaker 2: any other foreign country. Which is nice to visit. It's
Speaker 2: not particularly special for me. It is for some people.
Speaker 2: But that's the problem is that they a lot of
Speaker 2: people are not being honest in the way and the
Speaker 2: emotional attachment that they're talking about the conflict. Tucker actually
Speaker 2: made this point in his segment with Candas Owans will
Speaker 2: definitely cover some of his comments on that. But the
Speaker 2: dispassionate view that I think that many Americans want the
Speaker 2: government to feel is an annoyance with the level of
Speaker 2: discourse and obsession that we find ourselves as an American
Speaker 2: political system kind of locked in to the conflict, as
Speaker 2: if it's something that is it's just like Ukraine, Like
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, this doesn't matter. It
Speaker 2: actually does not matter at all to the vast majority
Speaker 2: of Americans to the way that we live our lives.
Speaker 2: You can have a moral angle and that's fine, but
Speaker 2: at a baseline level, it's not actually all that important
Speaker 2: for us. And that's something that I think Americans is
Speaker 2: starting to feel in the level of not only military
Speaker 2: support the fourteen billion, but really the I mean you
Speaker 2: saw it, you know at the Sea whatever. The rally
Speaker 2: was called the no Ceasefire rally, where you had all
Speaker 2: of the politicians or kind of join hands and link
Speaker 2: up together. And it's very rare that you see that
Speaker 2: level of byparsonship in Washington. I think that's what Americans
Speaker 2: are responding to in the poll.
Speaker 1: Well. I think also what they're responding to is obviously
Speaker 1: there was overwhelming, understandable, justified sympathy and horror at what
Speaker 1: happened on October seven, But all that we've seen since
Speaker 1: then is horrific images of kids being pulled from rubble
Speaker 1: and babies dying, and you know, just horrible scenes you
Speaker 1: can't even imagine. So it makes a lot of sense
Speaker 1: that as you see that unfolding, and you understand your
Speaker 1: government's involvement and complicity in those images, that the very
Speaker 1: basic normy reaction is just stop the carnage.
Speaker 3: Just stop the carnage. So it is remarkable.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is one of these areas where there
Speaker 1: is such a distance between DC elected officials and what
Speaker 1: the public actually wants and actually supports. As I said,
Speaker 1: even a majority of Republicans are in favor of a ceasefire.
Speaker 1: There isn't a single Republican member of Congress who is
Speaker 1: in favor of a ceasefire, and among Democrats, the sentiment
Speaker 1: is overwhelming.
Speaker 3: This one says three quarters.
Speaker 1: Another pulsas eighty percent of Democrats in support of a ceasefire,
Speaker 1: and very precious few in the House and only one
Speaker 1: in the Senate who actually take that position. So it
Speaker 1: does show you, you know, a dramatic disconnect here, especially
Speaker 1: with the aggressive nature of the comments from Joe Biden
Speaker 1: against a cease fire, the comments from the White House
Speaker 1: podium that you know, those calling for a ceasefire are repugnant,
Speaker 1: et cetera, when this is actually the view of the
Speaker 1: American people. The other piece in this polsager that was
Speaker 1: interesting is only thirty one percent of Pole respondents say
Speaker 1: they support sending Israel weapons, less than a third, and
Speaker 1: that's actually lower numbers than when they asked about Ukraine
Speaker 1: where it was in the forties. So, you know, as
Speaker 1: much as public opinion in favor of sending Ukraine weapons
Speaker 1: has fallen off, support for sending Israel weapons right now
Speaker 1: is just thirty one percent. Again, dramatic departure from what
Speaker 1: elite consensus and opinion here is in Washington, DC, and
Speaker 1: you're starting to see some political fallout. This caught my
Speaker 1: eye from Rolling Stone, you know, the Biden campaign, they
Speaker 1: made a big show of like courting these influencers, and
Speaker 1: they haven't met these different Watch parties, and they try
Speaker 1: to include them because they're trying to win over the
Speaker 1: youths et cetera. Put this up on the screen from
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone. A number of those influencers who were behind
Speaker 1: Biden in twenty twenty are turning on him.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: There's a variety of issues they talk about here, but
Speaker 1: the most consistent one is over this war. They talked
Speaker 1: to the sky George Lee Junior, he's got two point
Speaker 1: four million followers as the conscious Lee on TikTok. He
Speaker 1: was invited to that State of the Union Watch party
Speaker 1: at the White House. But he is very critical of
Speaker 1: Biden on his Israel policy and enabling Israel's war on Gaza.
Speaker 1: So he said to the Rolling Stone quote, when we
Speaker 1: start talking about the lesser of two evils, a lot
Speaker 1: of my followers, all three million of them, are literally
Speaker 1: asking the question like damn, So the lesser of the
Speaker 1: two evils is the one that's supporting Jedocide noted noted,
Speaker 1: how I talk to my followers about it is like
Speaker 1: and excuse my language, I'm going to cuss God damn Biden,
Speaker 1: your weak ass is going to rally the entire of
Speaker 1: America to be against right wing governments. Meanwhile you are
Speaker 1: being unrelentless, unconditional and giving support to a right wing government.
Speaker 3: That's funny.
Speaker 1: They talk to another creator who is very focused on
Speaker 1: environmental issues, is really disappointed over the Willow Project. He
Speaker 1: is looking at supporting Mary Ann Williamson. It's just an
Speaker 1: emblem of what a massive issue Biden has with a
Speaker 1: variety of constituent groups, but with young people in particular,
Speaker 1: and over this issue in particular. You know, their theory
Speaker 1: is like they'll get over it when it comes down
Speaker 1: to it and it's me versus Trump. They hate Trump more.
Speaker 1: They're going to show back up. They did last time.
Speaker 1: Last time they were a little unsure and then in
Speaker 1: the end they came around and they supported I don't
Speaker 1: know it's going to work out that way this time.
Speaker 2: I think they'll all vote for him. I do well.
Speaker 1: The other question is, though, do they just stay home
Speaker 1: there are going to be other options on the ballot.
Speaker 1: Do they vote for Cornell West? Do they just you know,
Speaker 1: decide not to engage in this intellectual politics whatsoever.
Speaker 2: It's Cornell even on the ballot. That's the big question
Speaker 2: I will see. I think a lot of these people
Speaker 2: I've already I'm already beginning to see it. I just
Speaker 2: saw the other day at Washington Post had an article
Speaker 2: it was like Trump rhetoric reminds of Hitler, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, is it twenty fifteen again,
Speaker 2: Like that's how it's starting to feel for me. I
Speaker 2: think these people are pretty predictable. You can whip them up, sure,
Speaker 2: you know they'll say this about but at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, like if they think Trump, if you
Speaker 2: think Trump is literally Hitler, which a lot of them do,
Speaker 2: then they're probably going to vote for Biden.
Speaker 1: I think you're underestimating what a searing event this is
Speaker 1: for a lot of young people, in the same way
Speaker 1: that the Iraq War was a searing event for a generation.
Speaker 1: I think it is at that level of like absolute
Speaker 1: horror that our government could be involved in such a thing,
Speaker 1: horror that such a thing was even on the table.
Speaker 3: And whether or not you agree with that.
Speaker 1: Perspective, I think it goes a lot deeper than just
Speaker 1: like a flash in the pan concern of the moment,
Speaker 1: and you see that by you know, the widespread protests
Speaker 1: across the country. You see it by the energy on
Speaker 1: social media. You know, it's hard to quantify these things,
Speaker 1: but it is my sense that this this cuts a
Speaker 1: little deeper than some of the other things. It's not
Speaker 1: a flash in the pan. This is genuinely like this
Speaker 1: generation's a rock war moment.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, it just seems crazy to me.
Speaker 2: Once again, I mean, you're not Palestinian, and it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, in America we were involved in the Iraq War.
Speaker 2: Our soldiers are the one who are dying. Like the
Speaker 2: idea to me that you're going to get all that
Speaker 2: spun up about at the end of the day, which
Speaker 2: is the conflict, which says no effect on you, literally whatsoever.
Speaker 2: It seems kind of nuts to me. But the other
Speaker 2: thing is the general generation divide. We can put this
Speaker 2: up there on the screen. We have forty eight percent
Speaker 2: this is this was a poll taken on October eleventh.
Speaker 2: So take that for what forty eight percent millennial and
Speaker 2: gen Z support for Israel, forty percent saying do nothing
Speaker 2: or and are unsure, twelve percent at criticize Israel. We
Speaker 2: could probably surmise that that ca has moved a little bit,
Speaker 2: but that still did so a majority of millennial and
Speaker 2: gen Z people were supporting Israel. If you dig into
Speaker 2: the cross tabs for most of the polls and you
Speaker 2: mostly see like a fifty to fifty split. Now, fifty
Speaker 2: to fifty is very different than gen X, baby boomer
Speaker 2: in Silent generation. Don't get me wrong. It's probably also
Speaker 2: even if you disaggregated gen Z from millennial. But I
Speaker 2: don't think it's the same level. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 2: it just seems a little bit silly for people who
Speaker 2: are supposed I don't know. For me, it's like, it
Speaker 2: can't be rock war when it's not your own citizens
Speaker 2: who are the ones who are the ones doing the
Speaker 2: fighting and the dying. But it is they are foreign content.
Speaker 1: But it is our taxpayer dollars that are sending the bombs. Sure,
Speaker 1: but kill Yemen to kill dollars to kill Palestinians. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's absolutely true. And that conflict was dramatically undercovered.
Speaker 1: I mean, something we covered here as well.
Speaker 3: But the horror of.
Speaker 1: These images that are coming out, the understanding that we are,
Speaker 1: you know, not just enabling but directly complicit in it.
Speaker 1: The belligerent stance taken by the wide Biden White House.
Speaker 1: I mean, you may not have those feelings, it may
Speaker 1: not resonate with you, but it's very clear that for
Speaker 1: a lot of people, the sense that we are participating
Speaker 1: in an ethnic cleansing and a genocide, it's a pretty
Speaker 1: searing political moment. And so I think that the you know,
Speaker 1: the Biden White House assumption that people are just going
Speaker 1: to move on and they're not going to care about
Speaker 1: this in a little while and it's no big deal, and.
Speaker 3: The poll numbers would bounced back up. I don't see it.
Speaker 2: Maybe again, I mean, it's not my job to convince
Speaker 2: them to vote for Biden or not. I you know,
Speaker 2: probably want the other wise. So my whole thing with
Speaker 2: it would be I just don't want to overstate whenever,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, we're not talking about
Speaker 2: something which is not directly impactful in the way that
Speaker 2: Iraq was.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: Tensions may be hind now, but as you said, like
Speaker 2: are they really going to be there a year from now?
Speaker 2: It's possible that we could have a ceasefire, you know,
Speaker 2: some sort of hostage release in the interim. People say
Speaker 2: all kinds of things. So will they really forget that
Speaker 2: the most reliable thing that we've seen so far with
Speaker 2: Democratic voters is abortion and the Trump boogeyman. Both are
Speaker 2: going to be on the table. I find it very
Speaker 2: difficult to believe that they're not going to come out
Speaker 2: and vote against Trump, especially, I mean if you consider
Speaker 2: it too, like, if you're a person who cares so
Speaker 2: much about these IS's just not like Trump is going
Speaker 2: to be all that different. So then you're going to
Speaker 2: get what ten percent of what you want with Biden
Speaker 2: or as opposed to zero percent of what you want
Speaker 2: then And I'm not advocating for this, I'm just saying
Speaker 2: most people, at the end of the day, when they
Speaker 2: come to the ballot box, that's mostly how they vote.
Speaker 2: That said, I think you might be right in terms
Speaker 2: of not a national movement, but you only need one
Speaker 2: or two people to stay or one or two percent
Speaker 2: of people to stay home, and the entire election changes,
Speaker 2: especially in Michigan. So if I were the Biden campaign,
Speaker 2: to me, it's not a young people problem. I think
Speaker 2: you've got a Michigan problem more than anything else. Of Course,
Speaker 2: though young people could swing the ballot in Georgia, in
Speaker 2: Arizona or any of these other places too. I could
Speaker 2: see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it only as you said, it's very
Speaker 1: likely to be a really close election. It doesn't take
Speaker 1: that much, you know, of people just stay at home
Speaker 1: or deciding they're going to vote for one of the
Speaker 1: third party candidates or something else for it to totally
Speaker 1: change the direction of this election. Speaking of some of
Speaker 1: the energy and the you know, really mass protest movement
Speaker 1: that we've seen across the United States, you had protesters
Speaker 1: with Jewish Voices for Peace and a number of other
Speaker 1: activist groups who led a protest outside of the DNC
Speaker 1: headquarters here in DC while there was a d fundraiser
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 3: And let me show you how.
Speaker 1: This protest started, so you can see what they were
Speaker 1: up to, and then we'll show you what happened once
Speaker 1: the cops were it. Go ahead with the first one,
Speaker 1: so you can see they're in front of the entrances
Speaker 1: to the DNC. They're singing, there's candlelight vigil. That's what's
Speaker 1: going on. And then the police show up and this
Speaker 1: is the scene.
Speaker 8: Take a look.
Speaker 9: Sick got thrown down the stairs.
Speaker 1: So you can see police coming pretty hot, throwing people
Speaker 1: down the stairs. You can see someone kind of getting
Speaker 1: run over there with a bike. They pepper sprayed protesters later,
Speaker 1: and it's important to keep in mind this is all
Speaker 1: on video. This is what you know the videos reveal
Speaker 1: because our competing claims being made at this point, in
Speaker 1: particular from Democratic congressman and a PAC funding recipient, Brad Sherman,
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. He said claimed that
Speaker 1: protesters were trying to break into the event. He says
Speaker 1: was just evacuated from the DNC after pro terrorist, anti
Speaker 1: Israel protesters grew violent, pepper sprang police officers and attempting
Speaker 1: to break into the building. Thankful to the police officers
Speaker 1: who stopped them and for helping me and my colleagues
Speaker 1: get out safely. He goes on to say, Sager that
Speaker 1: these protesters want must want Republicans to win. That's the
Speaker 1: real reason that they're there. Dave Weigel, who is a
Speaker 1: reporter for the Washington Post, happened to be at this
Speaker 1: protest and was recording a lot of video to document
Speaker 1: what actually unfolded there, and I think you have his analysis.
Speaker 2: Of what actually went that's right, So semaphore, Now, so
Speaker 2: remember Sarah moment I first ashtag LUSI a Samnez. That's
Speaker 2: a whole other news cycle arm what I wish we
Speaker 2: were covering anyway. So he says that what overall what
Speaker 2: he saw as a first hand account, that there are
Speaker 2: a lot of inaccurate tweets about protesters, quote storming the
Speaker 2: building or trying to break in based upon what he saw.
Speaker 2: He says that Sherman is wrong. I was outside the building.
Speaker 2: I saw US Capitol Police officer spray protesters with pepper spray,
Speaker 2: not vice versa. It's around one minute mark in a
Speaker 2: video that he has posted. There are quotes, lots of
Speaker 2: cameras there. I just took a few videos because people
Speaker 2: tend to lie about these things. That's kind of what
Speaker 2: is the big dispute right now this morning in Washington,
Speaker 2: where they're trying to storm in or not. And I
Speaker 2: actually do think it matters, because if you're trying to
Speaker 2: storm into a building, that actually justifies as a different
Speaker 2: level a force as opposed to block an entrance. And
Speaker 2: so what he claims is that the protest was illegal
Speaker 2: civil disobedience. That's true. It wasn't illegal demonstration. The protesters
Speaker 2: had legal observers on the site. Organizers were telling people
Speaker 2: where to move if they didn't want to be arrested.
Speaker 2: But people, including the congressmen who claimed that the protester
Speaker 2: tried to break in, were not being truthful. The false
Speaker 2: claim that he has seen so far is that cops
Speaker 2: showed up quote in riot gear. If that's actually not true.
Speaker 2: That showed up in those vests as you could see.
Speaker 2: And you and I were discussing this before, which I
Speaker 2: think is the most important context. These are a bunch
Speaker 2: of US Capitol Police officers, not the US sorry, the
Speaker 2: DC Metropolitan Police Department or the Secret Service, who have
Speaker 2: to deal with protests all the time. These, in fact,
Speaker 2: with how many Jewish protests we've had around this city
Speaker 2: in the last three months or sorry, in the last
Speaker 2: three weeks, dozens, You see any video coming out like
Speaker 2: this outside of the White House or outside anywhere else,
Speaker 2: you know why, because they don't do that. So I
Speaker 2: think what I think happened is that you had a
Speaker 2: lot of Capitol police officers who are getting real finger
Speaker 2: happy with the pepper spray and others post January sixth,
Speaker 2: and they don't want to have any accusation that they
Speaker 2: didn't do anything. They also have very little experience in
Speaker 2: how to actually de escalate a protest and all of that,
Speaker 2: and they decided to do so this is just another
Speaker 2: I also also find it ironic that is a lot
Speaker 2: of people who probably wanted more capital, police funding and
Speaker 2: all that. It's like, well, here's what you bought. Here's
Speaker 2: a bunch of incompetent cops, as we all found out
Speaker 2: on January sixth itself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think they're probably freaked down after January six But yeah, this,
Speaker 1: you know, the videos.
Speaker 3: Speak for themselves. You can see what the protesters were doing.
Speaker 1: You may disagree with their purpose, you may disagree with
Speaker 1: them being in front of the DNC headquarters, but they
Speaker 1: were not violent.
Speaker 3: There is zero evidence they were pepper Spring cops.
Speaker 2: So there you go, There you go. All right, let's
Speaker 2: get to the misinformation block.
Speaker 1: So we've been working all week to compile just some
Speaker 1: of the most egregious examples of misinformation that have been
Speaker 1: spread during this war. Let's go ahead and start where
Speaker 1: we should with CNN that went on one of these
Speaker 1: you know, pre approved IDF right alongs. This was in
Speaker 1: advance of building the case for a rating malchiefa hospital.
Speaker 3: This is at a different hospital, where.
Speaker 1: They were trying to show how this was being used
Speaker 1: by Hamas militants to hold hostages, et cetera.
Speaker 3: There was one part.
Speaker 1: Intain killer that caught people's attention. Let's take a look
Speaker 1: at what CNN had to say.
Speaker 4: This is a golden list.
Speaker 5: Every tail list has his own shift.
Speaker 3: In this room, he says, a guardless that begins October
Speaker 3: seventh ends November three, not long before the hospital was evacuated,
Speaker 3: So a guard list.
Speaker 1: And you know, they alleged this was a list of
Speaker 1: the people who were there checking in to record that
Speaker 1: they were watching the hostages during this time. Except put
Speaker 1: this up on the screen. People who actually speak and
Speaker 1: read Arabic revealed that this quote unquote evidence that it
Speaker 1: says of Hamas using Rentizi Hospital for military purposes, including
Speaker 1: an alleged list of operative shift holding hostages, is actually
Speaker 1: just a calendar of days.
Speaker 3: In the week in Arabic. So sit of an obviously.
Speaker 2: Pretty big mistake. This is I just don't understand how
Speaker 2: they can just immediately post the stuff. And one of
Speaker 2: the things is with the idea, I mean everybody always
Speaker 2: many people may not realize this. Twenty percent of Israel
Speaker 2: is Arab they speak Arabic. If you have ever been
Speaker 2: to Jerusalem. When I was in Jerusalem, I don't speak
Speaker 2: a damn word of Hebrew. I ordered my food in
Speaker 2: Arabic because many than people there speak both languages. So presumably,
Speaker 2: and one of the things the IDF says all the
Speaker 2: time is they have people embedded with them who do
Speaker 2: speak Arabic, including Arab Israeli soldiers who are in the IDF.
Speaker 2: So this is one of those where how do you
Speaker 2: put this out to the world. That's number one, But
Speaker 2: two is CNN. You think people from CNN don't speak Arabic,
Speaker 2: So nobody is CNN, Nobody.
Speaker 1: In all of you couldn't just still quick check on
Speaker 1: this one before you put it on air?
Speaker 2: Come on, come on, right, I mean we have higher
Speaker 2: editorial standards in that for really, really.
Speaker 5: We really do.
Speaker 1: Yes, we make sure, because there is so much of
Speaker 1: this stuff floating around, we make sure we check it
Speaker 1: as best we can't possibly can before we put anything
Speaker 1: on air.
Speaker 3: And so remember the context here of these.
Speaker 1: Ride alongs too that we talked about before you know
Speaker 1: this is the IDF brings you along. You have to
Speaker 1: vet your footage with them of everything before you put
Speaker 1: it out to the public, so it's very constrained. It's
Speaker 1: a very cramped view. Only certain journalists quote unquote, get
Speaker 1: to go along on these things. So you would think,
Speaker 1: in that context of knowing that you're basically being used
Speaker 1: for war propaganda, that you would be extra careful about
Speaker 1: what you brought to air. But nope, not so much.
Speaker 1: Got another one for you. This is a video that
Speaker 1: was making the rounds that purportedly showed a nurse inside
Speaker 1: of Al Shifa making some extraordinary claims.
Speaker 3: Let's take a look at this one.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I can believe I'm doing this, but the world
Speaker 7: has to know, has to know what Hamas is making here,
Speaker 7: taking over.
Speaker 10: The entire hospital. They're taking over the fuel, the medicine.
Speaker 4: I have nothing to treat with you.
Speaker 1: So she's saying, they're you know, Hamas, they're stealing the medicine.
Speaker 3: She's very afraid.
Speaker 1: Well, it comes down that people at the hospital say,
Speaker 1: they've never seen this lady before, they have no idea
Speaker 1: who she is, and she is their soccer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a bit of a little bit of a problem. Although,
Speaker 2: as you pointed out, and this is a great example,
Speaker 2: put this one up there on the screen, then people
Speaker 2: who were trying to dox her were saying, look, this
Speaker 2: is so and so the Israeli TV actress and digital
Speaker 2: content creator, that's actually not her. And so there's like
Speaker 2: these there are constant information wars that are online where
Speaker 2: they're doxing someone who they claim to have been the actress.
Speaker 2: It's actually not the actress, if it was even an actress.
Speaker 2: And then you have the person there it says, oh, well, everybody,
Speaker 2: nobody in the hospital has even seen this person before.
Speaker 2: Same thing with the CNN report. You have multiple layers
Speaker 2: of editorial screw ups where they broadcast something which is
Speaker 2: obviously false to anybody who speaks Arabic. And I think
Speaker 2: people just should appreciate how difficult it is. And you know,
Speaker 2: it does vindicate a lot of what we do here
Speaker 2: where you know, the amount of time that we spend
Speaker 2: and be like, okay, this is one hundred percent, is
Speaker 2: even eighty percent? Eighty percent is not high enough whenever
Speaker 2: you're reporting something that is straight up false or not,
Speaker 2: and you have you know, extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence.
Speaker 2: And that's the biggest problem I think that we have
Speaker 2: seen in so much of this that keeps happening. Here's
Speaker 2: another example. Let's put this one up there on the screen.
Speaker 2: You can see here there is a photo which was
Speaker 2: going viral which showed a woman in a bombed out
Speaker 2: house that was on a staircase, and it says wading
Speaker 2: through the rubble to get all that is left to
Speaker 2: remind her of our child hashtag Gaza Holocaust. And as
Speaker 2: a person who points out what a tragedy, except that
Speaker 2: is a photo from homes in Syria that was bombed
Speaker 2: by the Assad regime. And that is not even the
Speaker 2: first time, Crystal that I have seen mistaken photos from
Speaker 2: the Syrian tragedy, especially because people look so similar, that
Speaker 2: have then been used in terms of Gazil. So people
Speaker 2: have got to remember that everything that you're seeing is
Speaker 2: meant to influence you in some way. That's one of
Speaker 2: the things we highlighted from day one. If something's in English,
Speaker 2: it's to target you. If it's an Arabic, it's to
Speaker 2: speak to the people who speak Arabic. If it's in Hebrew,
Speaker 2: it's to the people who speak Hebrew. And there are
Speaker 2: overlapping sometimes interests in that, but they're also wildly diverging ones.
Speaker 2: And we are all finding that out in real time.
Speaker 2: I thought Ukraine was bad, but this may actually be.
Speaker 2: This is I mean, it is probably.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's worse, any doubt that it's worse,
Speaker 1: because in Ukraine you at least have some journalists.
Speaker 3: Able to operate.
Speaker 1: Point the only I mean the number of journal I
Speaker 1: think it's forty eight journalists who've been killed in Gaza.
Speaker 1: So the number of journalists you even have remaining in
Speaker 1: the Gaza strip is very limited, and the only international
Speaker 1: journalists who are allowed in are like on the IDF
Speaker 1: ride along, you know, showing whatever it is that the
Speaker 1: Israeli military from a propaganda perspective, wants to put out.
Speaker 1: So that's why it's incredibly, incredibly difficult, and why there
Speaker 1: is so so much lies in so much propaganda. To
Speaker 1: your point about the English language thing, you know, it's
Speaker 1: very noteworthy. Part of Israel's pr campaign around their storming
Speaker 1: of Shifa Hospital was that they we brought medical supplies,
Speaker 1: and we brought baby food, and they took this picture
Speaker 1: of these boxes in giant English letters stamped medical supplies
Speaker 1: as part of this effort. Now, doctors on the ground
Speaker 1: told some people that they didn't actually get any of
Speaker 1: those medical supplies.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's true or not, so.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say I don't know, but you can
Speaker 1: see the way that these things are also staged to
Speaker 1: try to impact in international audience.
Speaker 3: I e us.
Speaker 1: This is let me put this last one that we
Speaker 1: have for you up on the screen. This is just
Speaker 1: a sampling. There were many examples we should have shown you.
Speaker 1: This is Netanyahu spokesperson, so this is not some rando
Speaker 1: on Twitter. But he says, the Palestinians are fooling the
Speaker 1: international media and public opinion.
Speaker 3: Don't fall for it.
Speaker 1: See for yourselves how they fake injuries and evacuate quote
Speaker 1: unquote injured civilians all in front of the cameras. Pallywood
Speaker 1: gets busted again. Pallywood refers to this ongoing conspiracy that
Speaker 1: actually the horrific shots that you're seeing Palestinians are being
Speaker 1: killed and maimed and pilled out of the rubble, et cetera,
Speaker 1: are not actually real, That these are crisis actors, et cetera.
Speaker 1: That video that he shows there that he purports to
Speaker 1: reveal the truth about Pollywood, it's the backstage of a
Speaker 1: short film called The Reality was shot in Lebanon, by
Speaker 1: Lebanese actors in support of the population of Gaza back
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, and it's already in previous conflicts
Speaker 1: been used for misinformation as well.
Speaker 3: But this was, yes, this was actors.
Speaker 1: Nobody has been using this to claim these are images
Speaker 1: of Palestinians. And there's other examples of this so called
Speaker 1: Pollywood theory, which is, you know, an attempt to minimize
Speaker 1: the civilian death on the ground and pretend link it's
Speaker 1: not really happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this Pollywood thing is just totally ridiculous.
Speaker 2: And there are many examples which we couldn't necessarily confirm
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, but that one is the best example
Speaker 2: because it's literally a film that was then repurposed and
Speaker 2: that was put out there. And this is where I
Speaker 2: just want to say, caution, caution, caution. We've seen video
Speaker 2: game footage that's been passed off. We've seen now, you know,
Speaker 2: the Seerian thing. I've even seen images from Afghanistan that
Speaker 2: I somehow have and it's very clear when you look
Speaker 2: at it, you're like, hey, you know that's Afghanistan, right,
Speaker 2: That's not what Gaza looks like. So many falsehoods, things
Speaker 2: that are put out there. We have to check. It's
Speaker 2: a responsibility to put every single thing that they put
Speaker 2: out there as to whether it's real or not. And
Speaker 2: then also the caveat properly, because that was actually my
Speaker 2: biggest problem with the CNN report is anytime you and
Speaker 2: I put up something from the IDF, we're like, this
Speaker 2: is from the IDF. Right, we don't know if it's true.
Speaker 2: This is what they say. You have to caveat and
Speaker 2: show things properly. It's completely fine to play government information
Speaker 2: as long as you can textualize it properly. But you
Speaker 2: can't say that we've independently verified something or imply that
Speaker 2: and put it on your eric. That's where it I
Speaker 2: think becomes most irresponsible. And this is also the danger
Speaker 2: of a Twitter and citizen journalism and all that. I'm
Speaker 2: pro citizen journalism, I am against censorship. I don't think
Speaker 2: any of these people should be censored or any of that.
Speaker 2: I just though, because I weighed in this ecosystem, and
Speaker 2: I guess have for a while ever since the beginning
Speaker 2: isis is I'm just used to the idea of like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it could be totally false and you got to wait
Speaker 2: a little while. You never know whether something is real
Speaker 2: or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're in the midst of finding out if
Speaker 1: the Al Shifa command no Doctor evil lair underneath was
Speaker 1: also misinformation.
Speaker 3: So we'll see. We'll see, and we'll vet that evidence
Speaker 3: as best.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, it will be properly vetted. Okay, let's go
Speaker 2: to Nicki Haley and speaking of what censorship and anonymity
Speaker 2: and citizen journalism and so much more. Nikki Haley surprising
Speaker 2: absolutely no one, but also having a very mask off
Speaker 2: moment in which she advocates for no anonymity online and
Speaker 2: to kill all Sudan nimous accounts. Let's take a lesson.
Speaker 10: When I get into office. The first thing we have
Speaker 10: to do social media accounts, social media companies. They have
Speaker 10: to show America their algorithms. Let us see why they're
Speaker 10: pushing what they're pushing. The second thing is every person
Speaker 10: on social media should be verified by their name. That's
Speaker 10: first of all, it's a national security threat. When you
Speaker 10: do that, all of a sudden, people have to stand
Speaker 10: by what they say, and it gets rid of the
Speaker 10: Russian bots, the Iranian bots, and the Chinese bots, and
Speaker 10: then you're going to get some civility when people know
Speaker 10: their name is next to what they say accountabuilt, and
Speaker 10: they know their pastor and their family members going to
Speaker 10: see it. It's going to help our kids, and it's
Speaker 10: going to help our country.
Speaker 2: It's going to help our kids, and it's going to
Speaker 2: help our country. To have no pseudonymity online online is
Speaker 2: one of the most important values actually that the Internet
Speaker 2: ever promised us. It is really what led to anonymous
Speaker 2: It led to so many of it. Lets you so
Speaker 2: many like whistleblowers and other revelations that have come out,
Speaker 2: but at a baseline, like more important level, the ability
Speaker 2: to ship post about the government is one of the
Speaker 2: most important ones. That goes back to the founding fathers,
Speaker 2: from the Federalist papers, from to Thomas Paine to so
Speaker 2: much more. We demand and must have the right to
Speaker 2: anonymously criticize anyone. And I'm very much in favor of that.
Speaker 2: Are like, oh, it's cowardly and all of that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: sometimes sometimes it is that said. You know, the principle
Speaker 2: of it itself is so important that it is almost
Speaker 2: directly inner timed with free speech. So they have somebody
Speaker 2: that who wants to be president of the United States
Speaker 2: say something which is dramatically really Orwellian when you think
Speaker 2: of oh yeah, and it goes against the way that
Speaker 2: the internet should work is outrageous. Now we're not the
Speaker 2: first people to say that now at this point, but
Speaker 2: it fits within a pattern in a worldview that she
Speaker 2: directly advocates for, which is the supremacy of the American
Speaker 2: government to the point where it triumphs individual liberty, but
Speaker 2: also where triumphs, you know, sovereignty of other nations. It
Speaker 2: fits neatly with the Neokon worldview.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I mean, it's an authoritarian instinct, that's really
Speaker 1: what it is. I think Orwellian is also well said.
Speaker 1: But it's like she argues that we need this in
Speaker 1: the interest of civility and decorum. We need to trample
Speaker 1: on like the basic rights of American citizens to dissent,
Speaker 1: just in the interest of like keeping things a little nicer.
Speaker 1: And that's the kind of rationalization that leads to just
Speaker 1: like overt police state type actions. So glad to see
Speaker 1: that even some of her Republican competitor SAGA were not
Speaker 1: having this.
Speaker 2: One, right. Yeah, it was nice. It was nice that said.
Speaker 2: It was really just Viveke Ramaswami, who came out calling
Speaker 2: her out. Then Ron DeSantis and everybody decided to pilot.
Speaker 3: Once once they saw it was safe.
Speaker 2: Exactly, Yes, it became safe. And the thing is, though,
Speaker 2: is that Haley is now doubling down on this, you know,
Speaker 2: victimhood mindset and others. Probably why she's against anonymities because
Speaker 2: she saw like one tweet this was shee Onhead's joke
Speaker 2: that actually criticized her. And here she is on the
Speaker 2: Ruthless podcast where she says that Vivek only attacked her
Speaker 2: because she's a woman. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 10: He comes out of the gate, he hits the female
Speaker 10: chair of the party, he hits the female anchor on
Speaker 10: the platform, and then he hits me.
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying anything saying.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying he might have a problem.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying he might have a girl.
Speaker 2: He might have a girl problem. So when she says
Speaker 2: the female wing of the party, she means the RNC chairwoman.
Speaker 2: So are you not supposed to criticize the RNSY chairwoman
Speaker 2: because she's a woman. And then you're not also supposed
Speaker 2: to criticize two women in a row, even though you
Speaker 2: were running against one. And he didn't say anything sexist.
Speaker 2: I watched it all live. Yeah, if it's a criticism
Speaker 2: of her ability to do the job.
Speaker 1: And this is, by the way he clarified with us
Speaker 1: he was talking about her and ron de.
Speaker 2: Say heels, yeah, Heels doesn't even it was gender neutral
Speaker 2: in terms of its ability here, So what are we
Speaker 2: doing here? I mean, I look, the Nikky thing for
Speaker 2: me is a real rar shocked test. It's like, you
Speaker 2: either find her more. And I'm talking more for people
Speaker 2: on the right because I it's all his pearl clutching
Speaker 2: over attacking Nikki Heley another and I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 2: For me, it's simple, it's like you either hate Nikki
Speaker 2: or you hate someone like the vague now is a
Speaker 2: vegan little bit ambitious? Is he a little bit what
Speaker 2: try hard? I guess is right? Yeah? Sure that said,
Speaker 2: I'm going to take it every goddamn day over somebody
Speaker 2: like Nicki Haley.
Speaker 3: For people who don't like both of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're not. You're not. You don't have to
Speaker 2: choose between. I'm saying as somebody who's like I guess
Speaker 2: someone involved in this, I'm just like Nikki to me,
Speaker 2: like she represents the enemy. In every possible like aspect
Speaker 2: of that word of everything that in the party, even
Speaker 2: in America, really that needs to go and die a death.
Speaker 2: And so when I watched they give it to her,
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it a lot. And it
Speaker 2: was just interesting though to me to see how much
Speaker 2: of the pearl clutching that occurred around like, oh, we
Speaker 2: can't attack her, oh her daughter, Oh as f her daughter.
Speaker 2: It is not an important point when we're talking about TikTok.
Speaker 2: It's like they want to use all of the things
Speaker 2: that they criticize the left for to then defend themselves
Speaker 2: whenever they're in the in the actual critics chair. That's
Speaker 2: what bothers.
Speaker 1: Well, she can call him scum exactly, thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he can't raise an entire highly legitimate point about
Speaker 1: potential hypocrisy given that now she postures is all anti TikTok,
Speaker 1: but her own daughter is on TikTok.
Speaker 2: That's a good point.
Speaker 3: That's not going after your daughter. That's making a.
Speaker 1: Point about you and whether you actually mean anything that
Speaker 1: you're saying, So that is beyond the pale.
Speaker 3: But her calling you.
Speaker 1: Scum just complete ad homin an attack. I think that's
Speaker 1: very anti Indian of her. That's what I think. That's
Speaker 1: what I think. She's a self hating Indian. That's what
Speaker 1: I think Saga based in those comments.
Speaker 2: There's something I'm not gonna I'm not gonna bear, ye one,
Speaker 2: how us in the Indian community feel about her.
Speaker 1: The other thing, though, is they these people love their
Speaker 1: identity politics when it suits them, no, when it's convenient,
Speaker 1: and she's always been one. Remember in her opening speech,
Speaker 1: it was all bio. It was all about her being
Speaker 1: like a trailblazer. She may not have used that word,
Speaker 1: but it was, you know, very like gendered her opening speech.
Speaker 1: And then she'd thrown a line of like, of course
Speaker 1: we're against identity politics, but also I'm a woman and
Speaker 1: look at my heels and I'm not kicking soays or
Speaker 1: forwards or whatever the hell she said. And I mean,
Speaker 1: you also see it very much in the debate over Israel,
Speaker 1: and suddenly you know the concern about anti Semitism, when
Speaker 1: of course there were a million like anti Semitic incidents
Speaker 1: that they didn't care about before, but now when it
Speaker 1: comes to Israel, suddenly it's all of the safety language
Speaker 1: and all of the like identity language that had been
Speaker 1: used by the most annoying college kids on the left
Speaker 1: suddenly is being used here as well, and Nikki is
Speaker 1: chief among those in that category.
Speaker 3: Two.
Speaker 1: So yeah, when it suits them, they love to trot
Speaker 1: out identity politics just as much as the Democrats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know, someone made a good point
Speaker 2: which is as objectionable as this all should be. You know,
Speaker 2: it's really only people who are online who should care.
Speaker 2: This is why Nikki Hayley is a terrible actual nominee
Speaker 2: for the Republican Party. Because here's what she said just
Speaker 2: yesterday when she was asked about the retirement age. Let's
Speaker 2: take a listen.
Speaker 3: Are you on board with cutting entitlements in a big
Speaker 3: and mean for way.
Speaker 10: Social Security goes bankrupt in ten years, Medicare goes bankrupt
Speaker 10: in eight Anyone that says they're not going to take
Speaker 10: on entitlement reform, they're going to go in and be
Speaker 10: president and leave the country bankrupt.
Speaker 3: You can't do that.
Speaker 10: Yes, we have to do entitlement reform, but that doesn't
Speaker 10: mean you touch anyone that's in the system. We should
Speaker 10: keep our promises. America should always keep her promises. But
Speaker 10: for everybody coming into the system, like my kids in
Speaker 10: their twenties.
Speaker 3: You change it.
Speaker 10: You say, we're going to raise the retirement age to
Speaker 10: reflect life expectancy. We're no longer going to do cost
Speaker 10: of living increases. We're going to do increases based on inflation.
Speaker 10: We're going to limit the benefits on the wealthy, and
Speaker 10: we're going to expand Medicare advantage plans so that we
Speaker 10: have more competition. We have to start looking at a
Speaker 10: common sense way to do it without hurting people. But
Speaker 10: our kids know they're not going to get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that is a better example of why she's
Speaker 2: so unelectable as opposed as to despite all of the
Speaker 2: comments and other from her team, it's just she's the
Speaker 2: worst as as far as it runs the gamut for
Speaker 2: Republican politicians. So anyway, I'm at very least glad to
Speaker 2: see that people are recognizing how awful it is with
Speaker 2: those anonymity comments. We could have told you that all though,
Speaker 2: long long before as she opened her mind.
Speaker 1: I have an alternate theory about where the idea came from,
Speaker 1: because everything with Nikki Haley is calibrated for like, what
Speaker 1: is a room full of billionaire donors kind of think
Speaker 1: these CEOs, they're so fragile. Some they think it's disgraceful
Speaker 1: that some anonymous peon online can come on and criticize them.
Speaker 1: So I have no doubt when she workshopped that at
Speaker 1: some big dollar fundraiser, they all thought she was the
Speaker 1: greatest thing ever, is the most brilliant idea of all time,
Speaker 1: and then she trots it out to the American public
Speaker 1: to everyone's absolute horror at what she's Legitimately, I.
Speaker 2: Had not put that together, but you were absolutely right.
Speaker 2: It's like, just suck it up, you know, and deal
Speaker 2: with the annoying comments. You have a billion dollars, What
Speaker 2: do you care? Or don't work? Yeah, don't worr, don't
Speaker 2: work to all right? Next part, Candace Owens, Oh man,
Speaker 2: I was licking my chops. I guess waiting for Candace's
Speaker 2: response kind of points you a good job covering yesterday.
Speaker 2: Ben Shapiro on video calling Candace's position on Israel, quote disgraceful.
Speaker 2: Candace now appearing with Tucker Carlson in on his X show,
Speaker 2: I guess you should say yesterday, responding directly to Ben,
Speaker 2: here's what she had to say.
Speaker 11: Quote absolutely disgraceful, particularly a coworker. Seems like a pretty
Speaker 11: big step. And I really don't know the background here.
Speaker 11: What is that about?
Speaker 9: You know, there isn't much of a background. I saw
Speaker 9: the video when everybody else saw it. When I woke up.
Speaker 2: No one warned you about it.
Speaker 9: Nobody wondered me about it. It looks like maybe he
Speaker 9: didn't know he was being recorded. They'll say it was
Speaker 9: some sort of a private event. I got no clarity
Speaker 9: on the issue that he was particularly speaking on and
Speaker 9: in what was said. I also, I can't respond to
Speaker 9: it beyond what he's saying because it's just at homin attacks.
Speaker 11: I don't know, because it's not you know, we disagree
Speaker 11: or you know, I don't think she's correct or mabe,
Speaker 11: she just know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely disgraceful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 9: And so I can't respond to it on a level
Speaker 9: of intellect because there's nothing that he has expressed in that,
Speaker 9: at least in that short clip that he fundamentally disagrees
Speaker 9: with in terms of what I said. But I will
Speaker 9: say that I'm not going to respond with the same
Speaker 9: at holbmin attacks, and I don't think it helps further discussion.
Speaker 9: And if that was me that was caught on a
Speaker 9: video of saying that about colleagues that I work with,
Speaker 9: I would be embarrassed. So I think that the video
Speaker 9: speaks more to Ben's character that it speaks to mine.
Speaker 2: Does he text you to apologize or explain or anything.
Speaker 9: No, What tends to happen is, of course we all
Speaker 9: have elements of selfishness within us, and so when it
Speaker 9: particularly pertains to an issue that impacts you. I was
Speaker 9: strongly speaking out against Black Lives Matter as an organization
Speaker 9: very early on as a conservative, because I understood what
Speaker 9: the implications were going to be a defunding the police.
Speaker 2: It was issue that was important to me.
Speaker 9: I created an entire documentary to talk about this issue,
Speaker 9: and I held on for a long time, and people
Speaker 9: began to see that actually I was telling the truth.
Speaker 9: And now we have more death in inner city communities
Speaker 9: than we had before these riots and these George Floyd
Speaker 9: protests calling for defunding of the police, and I think
Speaker 9: in terms of this, that's what's also happened is that
Speaker 9: people that.
Speaker 2: Are pro Israel are pro Israel.
Speaker 9: A lot of them because they have family members and
Speaker 9: they have homes in Israel, and so they feel very
Speaker 9: attached to this issue, and you know, I was very
Speaker 9: happy to host somebody who was pro Israel. He's a
Speaker 9: pro Israel comedian on my show the other day. I
Speaker 9: explained this to him. I said, you are demanding that
Speaker 9: we have this same response that you are having about
Speaker 9: what people are saying on college campuses. The rhetoric on
Speaker 9: college campuses hasn't changed. Did you not remember what they
Speaker 9: were saying? But professors were saying the anti white explicit
Speaker 9: racism that was happening and not even just allowed in
Speaker 9: terms of student protests, but was written into the curriculum.
Speaker 2: So I actually think that was very illuminating. She called
Speaker 2: out Ben also on Twitter. Actually, well, I guess it
Speaker 2: depends who do you think struck first. I'm going to
Speaker 2: say Ben struck first. Candice then responded where she put
Speaker 2: out I think it was a quote from scripture where
Speaker 2: she talked about like blessed be the peacekeepers. Because that's
Speaker 2: really she's had a different view of all this. Let's
Speaker 2: put that up there on the screen. That was her
Speaker 2: initial response that came after the video that came out.
Speaker 2: She says, you cannot serve both God and money. No
Speaker 2: one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the
Speaker 2: one and love the other. Way you will be devoted
Speaker 2: to one and despise the other. Now, let's put the
Speaker 2: response please up there on the screen. Ben Shapiro. Then
Speaker 2: last night, shortly before the Tucker Carlson clip debut, says Candace,
Speaker 2: if you feel that taking money from the Daily Wire
Speaker 2: somehow comes between you and God, by all means quit
Speaker 2: and then let's put this up there. She went ahead
Speaker 2: and responded, and she says, you are utterly out of
Speaker 2: line for suggesting I cannot quote biblical scripture. The Bible
Speaker 2: is not about you. She also Christal responded to Shapiro,
Speaker 2: where she said that his behavior had been unhinged and
Speaker 2: unprofessional over the last few weeks and that the rest
Speaker 2: of the Daily Wire crew all had to grapple with that.
Speaker 2: So I'll just put my allegiances and make them very clear.
Speaker 2: I'm team Candace here for a variety of reasons. Number
Speaker 2: one is Shapiro owns half a portion of the Daily Wire.
Speaker 2: You cannot trash your employee or somebody who works for
Speaker 2: you publicly and then expect, like expect to have a
Speaker 2: civil working relationship. That's an insan saying thing to do.
Speaker 2: If you don't want her to say that, and you
Speaker 2: think it's quote unquote disgraceful, then fire or shut up
Speaker 2: because you are the co owner of this company and
Speaker 2: you know that you're on video. I think he knew
Speaker 2: that he was being recorded when all of that happened.
Speaker 2: And then second, why are we then dragging things out
Speaker 2: onto Twitter? You know, pick up the phone man, have
Speaker 2: a text with something, you know, between people. You cannot
Speaker 2: be hashing out this back and forth nonsense, all in public.
Speaker 2: So there's a variety of things. This is all even
Speaker 2: post the actual view of the conflict, where I'm far,
Speaker 2: far more aligned. I'm probably the most aligned with Canvas
Speaker 2: of any of the Republican commentators out there than anybody else.
Speaker 2: And it's crazy that that's somehow like out of bounds
Speaker 2: or anathema over at the Daily Wire. So there's a
Speaker 2: lot free speech hypocrisy. There's a basic like managerial issue
Speaker 2: here that I, you know, really find troubling. You know,
Speaker 2: you and I we have people who work for us
Speaker 2: like you can't treat people like that who work for you.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. So there's a variety of issues that are
Speaker 2: happening here of unprofessionalism and on the content side that
Speaker 2: I'm pretty annoyed by.
Speaker 1: Well, and Candace has said all kinds of wild and
Speaker 1: controversial things in the past, and that's fine, that was fine.
Speaker 1: That didn't cause this exactly, And it's only when she
Speaker 1: criticizes Israel, which has been clearly like very personal for him. Look,
Speaker 1: I understand that in terms of his identity, although you know,
Speaker 1: he also claims he doesn't care about identity politics.
Speaker 3: Put that one aside. But that's the line.
Speaker 1: And I think in particular, one of the things that
Speaker 1: I zeroed in on is there's all this safetyism language
Speaker 1: coming from the right around quote unquote anti Semitism.
Speaker 3: Well, what they really are.
Speaker 1: Objecting to is any sort of criticism of Israel which
Speaker 1: is not anti Semitism. Now I'm not saying there's no
Speaker 1: anti Semitic rhetoric out there associated with you know, critique
Speaker 1: of Israel, of course there is. But where they really
Speaker 1: draw the line is any kind of critique of the
Speaker 1: state of Israel. And the reason why it comes out
Speaker 1: really clearly here is your calls. Candice had this line
Speaker 1: about Hitler that was roundly condemned. Previously, she said, if
Speaker 1: Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things
Speaker 1: run well, okay fine. When asked about the word nationalism,
Speaker 1: she went on to say, the problem is he had
Speaker 1: dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalize, he wanted
Speaker 1: everybody to be German. There was apparently no issue with
Speaker 1: that comment and the potentially anti Semitic connotations of it.
Speaker 3: It's only when.
Speaker 1: There's a criticism of Israel that is the line is
Speaker 1: really drawn. And we've seen that with a lot of
Speaker 1: the you know, just staunchly pro Israel parts of the
Speaker 1: Republican Party. Like it wasn't very long ago Donald Trump
Speaker 1: was having dinner with now a vowed Nazi, Kanye West.
Speaker 3: And everyone was like, well, you know, what are you
Speaker 3: going to do?
Speaker 1: There was some condemnation, there was some criticism, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't this hard line as when you actually Trump got
Speaker 1: I would say, with the right in more trouble. For
Speaker 1: Darren criticized Nen Yahoo at the beginning of this conflict.
Speaker 1: That was more of a conflagration among the right. Then
Speaker 1: you know, actually getting together with Nick Fuentez and Kanye
Speaker 1: West at that period in time.
Speaker 2: That's a great point.
Speaker 1: So the critique here, the care isn't really about anti Semitism.
Speaker 1: It's trying to stop and block any sort of critique
Speaker 1: of the State of Israel, to tar anyone who has
Speaker 1: a critique of the State of Israel, of the net
Speaker 1: Yahoo government, of their policies, of the way this war
Speaker 1: is being conducted as an anti Semite to try to
Speaker 1: push it off the table.
Speaker 3: And that to me, like becomes very clear here.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. I mean the Charlie Kirk point that she
Speaker 2: made is amazing, and the amount of hatred that he
Speaker 2: received for being like, hey, was there a standown order?
Speaker 2: Like what's going on? And what's crazy to me is
Speaker 2: immediately afterwards I saw even more pro Israel fanatics being
Speaker 2: like Candice is promoting the stand down conspiracy. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: first of all, it's only in conspiracy if it isn't
Speaker 2: very plausible. It's actually very plausible that something like that
Speaker 2: could have occurred. Now, I don't know what the evidence
Speaker 2: in all that is. You know why, because there hasn't
Speaker 2: been an investigation or even an Eleventh Commission or any
Speaker 2: of the October seventh Commission, any of that. Because Nett
Speaker 2: Donyahu doesn't want to get into any of that. I
Speaker 2: would love to know about what the security failures that
Speaker 2: went into October seven. But even then, why is it
Speaker 2: implausible and a conspiracy to suggest otherwise? Why is it
Speaker 2: crazy to ask an entirely legitimate question. And that's really
Speaker 2: what they're demanding. They're demanding complete fealty at the end
Speaker 2: of the day to a foreign government. And if you're Israeli,
Speaker 2: that's completely fine. But if you're American and you're trying
Speaker 2: to get other Americans to have that same level of fealty,
Speaker 2: now we're in a whole other realm of discourse. Now
Speaker 2: we're fulfilling the tropes of dual loyalty of which they
Speaker 2: claimed were anti Semitics. So you can't have it both ways.
Speaker 2: We get to say and ask questions and do whatever
Speaker 2: we want here in this country, you do what you
Speaker 2: want in yours. And yet they're trying to have some
Speaker 2: sort of bridge between the two where they get to
Speaker 2: both claim anti semitism and then at the same time
Speaker 2: basically demand like complete validation of the Israeli go government's
Speaker 2: narrative right about what's going on. So anyway, as I said,
Speaker 2: I stand with Candas one hundred percent on this. I
Speaker 2: actually think she's been a pretty good voice for a
Speaker 2: lot of this, and it's probably mainstreaming ideas to the
Speaker 2: Daily Wire audience, so they never would have had before
Speaker 2: heard before. So to that extent, I actually think it's
Speaker 2: important that she stay at the day.
Speaker 3: I haven't heard everything she says.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to co sign it, but I appreciate
Speaker 1: that there are some dissenting voices. I saw her critical
Speaker 1: of genocide on Twitter. Appreciate that too, But I do
Speaker 1: think it's worth pointing out. I believe the Tucker interview
Speaker 1: was recorded before the latest back and forth on Twitter, right,
Speaker 1: so you know she was responding just to Ben's leaked
Speaker 1: comments about her, you know, positions on Israel. So I
Speaker 1: think this saga has more chapters two unfold.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I'll enjoy it. I'll enjoy watching it.
Speaker 1: All Right, guys, we've got a presidential candidate, Dean Phillip
Speaker 1: standing by.
Speaker 3: Let's get to it.
Speaker 1: Honor to be joined this morning by Congressman Dean Phillipsy
Speaker 1: is not only a member of the United States Congress,
Speaker 1: but also a candidate for president and also, event to
Speaker 1: current News, ranking member of the Middle East Subcommittee on
Speaker 1: House Foreign Affairs.
Speaker 3: Great to have you, Commerson, Great to be with your Crystal.
Speaker 1: All right, so you got a little bit of good
Speaker 1: news for your campaign recently. Let's put this poll up
Speaker 1: on the screen in New Hampshire. Now there's a strange
Speaker 1: situation unfolding in New Hampshire. Biden won't actually be on
Speaker 1: the ballot. So they for once asked a question that
Speaker 1: is useful in the state of New Hampshire, which is, Okay,
Speaker 1: if Biden's not there and you got to write him in,
Speaker 1: who are you going to vote for? And you got
Speaker 1: Biden still leading a twenty seven percent, but you're in
Speaker 1: second there fifteen percent, Maryan Williamson at ten percent, and
Speaker 1: then you've got someone else undefined at five percent and
Speaker 1: undecided at forty four percent. So just tell us, Congressman,
Speaker 1: a little bit about why you decided to run and
Speaker 1: what you think your past.
Speaker 3: To victory is.
Speaker 12: Well, Chrystal, Yeah, that's Those are the numbers that don't
Speaker 12: like politicians and spinsters and politicos love to mislead and misdirect.
Speaker 12: And the fact is seventy three percent of New Hampshire
Speaker 12: Democratic voters wants somebody different than the president. And I'm
Speaker 12: not here to condemn him. I respect him. He was
Speaker 12: the only one I think that could have beaten Donald
Speaker 12: Trump in twenty twenty and sadly, he's probably the only
Speaker 12: moderate Democrat in the entire country who is probably going
Speaker 12: to lose to him in twenty twenty four unless we
Speaker 12: course correct. So my campaign and I were hoping to
Speaker 12: be at fifteen percent in about six weeks.
Speaker 5: It took two.
Speaker 12: And I think this is just a microcosm of how
Speaker 12: the entire country is feeling. And the best thing about
Speaker 12: this campaign is getting out and listening to people. Having
Speaker 12: been in Congress for five years now, I understand how
Speaker 12: quickly people in Washington completely loose touch with reality, keep
Speaker 12: fighting one another instead of fighting for Americans all over
Speaker 12: the place, and we have a crisis at home abroad.
Speaker 12: It's time for change, and I think those numbers reflect
Speaker 12: exactly where people are at.
Speaker 1: Connerson, I wonder if you can help solve a mystery
Speaker 1: for me, because we've all seen the polls of overwhelming
Speaker 1: majority Democrats who say they want other choices than Biden,
Speaker 1: many people, oftentimes the majority, saying that actually wish Biden
Speaker 1: would step aside. These are Democratic voters, and yet when
Speaker 1: you offer them actual choices, they mostly are still with
Speaker 1: Joe Biden.
Speaker 3: So why do you think that that is well?
Speaker 12: Right now, there aren't many choices, and I think part
Speaker 12: of the beautiful part of campaigning, the greatest part of democracy,
Speaker 12: is that when you afford voters choices, introduce yourself, answer
Speaker 12: their question, stand in front of them, take the heat,
Speaker 12: take the criticism, listen to their ideas.
Speaker 5: It's amazing what can happen.
Speaker 12: Some of the greatest successes in political history started exactly,
Speaker 12: in fact, lower than where I am right now, far lower,
Speaker 12: and that's true of our recent political history. So when
Speaker 12: people are introduced to options, and by the way, Cristil,
Speaker 12: I've been calling on other Democrats to enter the primary
Speaker 12: because that's how we do things in America. There are
Speaker 12: only four people right now, in my estimation, that will
Speaker 12: make it easier for Donald Trump to return to the
Speaker 12: White House. That's Cornell West, That's Jill Stein, That's Joe
Speaker 12: Manchin if he runs as an independent, and that's President Biden.
Speaker 12: Those are the only ones that literally are making it
Speaker 12: easier for Donald Trump. I wish moret it would enter.
Speaker 12: If American voters have choices, they will choose the best
Speaker 12: candidate position to win. And I tend that to be me.
Speaker 12: Someone had to do it, and now I'm in it
Speaker 12: to win it, and I'll make that case by listening.
Speaker 5: And I can't wait to get on the road.
Speaker 1: Connorson, you recently apologized to Bernie Sanders for doubting what
Speaker 1: he had said about the DNC ringing the primary process.
Speaker 3: What have you seen?
Speaker 12: Well, first of all, Crystal, I've been on the campaign
Speaker 12: trail now for just under three weeks, and I'm fifty
Speaker 12: four years old, and i can tell everybody listening that
Speaker 12: it's never too late to learn and to understand something
Speaker 12: you may not have seen, or use a new lens
Speaker 12: to view the world. And one of them is I
Speaker 12: used to think Bernie Sanders was a sore loser when
Speaker 12: he was saying the system was rigged, that the Democratic
Speaker 12: National Committee used coren nations and not competitions. And I'll
Speaker 12: tell you after three weeks, Crystal, I can say that
Speaker 12: he's right. And my apology was literal to him and
Speaker 12: to all the people that supported Bernie, all the people
Speaker 12: that have known for some time that this duopoly, this
Speaker 12: political industrial complex is actually making democracy harder to execute.
Speaker 12: Their suppressing voters, they're suppressing candidates, and they're suppressing debate
Speaker 12: the three legs of the democratic stool.
Speaker 5: With a small D.
Speaker 12: And I mean it when I say that I'm sorry, Bernie.
Speaker 12: I mean it because he was right. And I'm on
Speaker 12: a mission to expose the truth, to shine light on
Speaker 12: the corruption and the fact that I think both major
Speaker 12: parties right now are a significant part of the problem
Speaker 12: and why we're in this terrible crisis.
Speaker 1: All right, So let's talk a little bit about majority
Speaker 1: opinion and consensus and democracy when it comes to Israel.
Speaker 1: Let's put this new pull up on the screen from
Speaker 1: Reuters just came out yesterday, I believe found that sixty
Speaker 1: eight percent of all respondents support a ceasefire. That includes
Speaker 1: three quarters of Democrats. Congressman, as I'm sure you know,
Speaker 1: at this point, you've had one in every two hundred
Speaker 1: Palestinians in Gaza who have been killed. You've had more
Speaker 1: than four thousand children killed in this conflict. I'm wondering
Speaker 1: if you will join thirty one of your colleagues in
Speaker 1: Congress and the overwhelming majority of Americans, especially Democrats, today
Speaker 1: and call for a ceasefire.
Speaker 5: So Christal, let me start.
Speaker 12: I'll build a very fast art for you and get
Speaker 12: to the question you're asking first, which is the generational
Speaker 12: change that we need. This is an example of what
Speaker 12: happens when people doing the same things in the same
Speaker 12: way for fifty years, and I include President Biden in this,
Speaker 12: have generated the results that we see right now, war
Speaker 12: in Eastern Europe, horrifying bloodshed in the Middle East.
Speaker 5: I'm fifty four.
Speaker 12: I've been witnessing this my entire life, the cycle of violence,
Speaker 12: the cycle of misery, the loss of life.
Speaker 5: And it's enough.
Speaker 12: And I believe in Israel's right to exist, and I
Speaker 12: also believe in Palestinian self determination and their need of
Speaker 12: a country. And I tend to be the first Jewish
Speaker 12: president in American history and be the one that signs
Speaker 12: documents that finally, finally establishes a Palestinian state, because I've
Speaker 12: had enough. Hamas is not Palestinians, and Benjamin net Nyiahu
Speaker 12: is not Israeli's. And I believe if you surveyed both
Speaker 12: populations right now, they would say the same thing.
Speaker 5: So what do I want to see?
Speaker 12: I want to see every single one of those hostages, really,
Speaker 12: including apparently nine Americans, which I believe should be the
Speaker 12: foremost priority of both the American President and anybody an
Speaker 12: elected office here in the United States. Release the prisoners,
Speaker 12: release the hostages. Then yes, there should be a ceasefire.
Speaker 12: And then, most importantly, Israel should not be taking on
Speaker 12: Hamas alone. I think this is a time for life
Speaker 12: minded nations of the world, including the Arab States and
Speaker 12: Gulf nations, to unify in eliminating Hamas, ensuring that there
Speaker 12: are free and fair elections in both the West Bank
Speaker 12: and Gaza, so that Palestinians can choose, and I pray
Speaker 12: that they do choose peace, a new generation of leadership.
Speaker 12: Abu Mazen is in his eighties. The Palestinian authority is corrupt.
Speaker 12: Hamas is the enemy of both Israel and Palestinians. It's
Speaker 12: time for change, It's time for new leadership. Same is
Speaker 12: true in Israel. I think Benjamin Natanya, who's right wing government,
Speaker 12: is culpable. I think the settlement policy is abhorrent and
Speaker 12: the only way, the only way that Israel will be
Speaker 12: safe and secure, the only way that Palestinians will have
Speaker 12: a homeland of their own with security and opportunity, and
Speaker 12: the only way that America can come back together is
Speaker 12: if we solve this issue. So my call to action
Speaker 12: is just that release the hostages and the hostilities have
Speaker 12: a multinational peacekeeping force that creates peace in Gaza, so
Speaker 12: that there can be an election and we can create
Speaker 12: change immediately.
Speaker 5: Hamas has to be eliminated.
Speaker 12: And I believe it's time for Benjamin Yahoo to be
Speaker 12: taken out of office by Israelis in a democratic nation
Speaker 12: and end this nonsense. It is time, it is long overdue,
Speaker 12: and the same people in the same roles are not
Speaker 12: going to get it done. I cannot stand to watch
Speaker 12: this bloodshed any longer.
Speaker 5: Period.
Speaker 1: So Congressman, just to clarify your position, let's put this
Speaker 1: next element up on the screen. There's a new letter
Speaker 1: from some of your colleagues in the House again reiterating
Speaker 1: the call for a cease fire, precisely because of the
Speaker 1: numbers that you see up here on the screen, which
Speaker 1: is the monthly average of child casualties and conflicts you
Speaker 1: can see in Gaza, and these numbers a little bit outdated.
Speaker 1: At frankly, at this point, over four thousand children killed
Speaker 1: in this conflict is dwarfs.
Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't even come.
Speaker 1: Close to any other modern conflict that we see see.
Speaker 1: Will you sign on to that letter calling for a
Speaker 1: ceasefire because of the violation of rights of children.
Speaker 5: Cristal, I just made my point really clear.
Speaker 12: I will call for a ceasefire the minute every one
Speaker 12: of those hostages is released, period.
Speaker 3: And are you aware, Congressman, let me just let me
Speaker 3: just let me just.
Speaker 12: Let me just finish though, Cristal, you asked me the question,
Speaker 12: and I will totally answer it. There should not be
Speaker 12: a ceasefire until the hostages are released at that very moment, absolutely,
Speaker 12: and then there should be a multinational peacekeeping force that
Speaker 12: ensures that this ends immediately. You know, there was a
Speaker 12: ceasefire until October seven. This cycle has got to stop.
Speaker 3: If you ask.
Speaker 1: Them, if you ask Palestinians in the West Bank, they
Speaker 1: may have a different story about who exactly broke the ceasefire.
Speaker 1: But I do want to press you on the piece
Speaker 1: with the hostages, because obviously hostages are very much put
Speaker 1: at risk by the indiscriminate bombing campaign that is being
Speaker 1: waged by Israel. And I'm sure you're aware of the
Speaker 1: reporting that said there was a hostage deal that was
Speaker 1: very close to coming to Fruition, which was undercut and
Speaker 1: ultimately killed. And now they're trying to renegotiate it by
Speaker 1: the ground.
Speaker 3: Invasion by the IDF.
Speaker 1: So it seems to me that there have been actions
Speaker 1: taken on the Israeli side that have prevented the release
Speaker 1: of the hostages. And also it's worth mentioning as well,
Speaker 1: they're holding hundreds of women and children on the Israeli side,
Speaker 1: Palestinian women and children on the Israeli side as well.
Speaker 12: Any hostages should be released, Any civilians have got to
Speaker 12: be let go. I don't care who's holding them. I
Speaker 12: believe the American president has a clear and distinct mandate
Speaker 12: to ensure particularly the Americans, are released. And Crystal, I
Speaker 12: think we're saying the same thing. These hostilities have to end,
Speaker 12: and they should end the minute Hamas releases the prisoners.
Speaker 12: This is not that difficult. So I don't understand why
Speaker 12: this is so complicated for people to understand. And I believe,
Speaker 12: by the way, I want to see pro Palestinian and
Speaker 12: pro Israeli protesters here in America unite behind humanity. That's
Speaker 12: who side I'm on. I love Israel and I love Palestinians,
Speaker 12: and I believe this is sickening and disgusting and I
Speaker 12: cannot wait until this occurs, because I can't watch the
Speaker 12: videos that I've been seeing of babies being slaughtered. You know,
Speaker 12: I cannot stand blood is read, no matter whose it is,
Speaker 12: and I'm sickened, I'm disgusted, and most of all, I'm
Speaker 12: disappointed beyond belief of the generation of leaders, old generation,
Speaker 12: many of them in their eighties now, who have not
Speaker 12: solved this problem in decades. I'm a Jewish man, I
Speaker 12: love Israel, I love my Palestinian brothers and sisters. I
Speaker 12: care about humanity, I care about children, and the only
Speaker 12: way we can end this nonsense is to release the
Speaker 12: hostages and have the world unite to ensure that Gaza
Speaker 12: is safe for everybody inside of it. And by the way,
Speaker 12: Hamas wanted the overreaction that they got. That's why I'm
Speaker 12: so disappointed right now. Terrorists want an overreaction to change
Speaker 12: the game, and they changed it, but not in the
Speaker 12: way that the world needs. The only good thing now
Speaker 12: is that we have a chance, maybe the final chance,
Speaker 12: to prevent more tragedy in the Middle East. But also,
Speaker 12: crystal to speak on behalf of both the Jewish and
Speaker 12: Muslim community in the United States right now that are
Speaker 12: also at great great and grave risk. I'm representing them
Speaker 12: because we're Americans here right now, and the only way
Speaker 12: we overcome this is exactly what you just said. I
Speaker 12: would just say, release the hostages, have a ceasefire, have
Speaker 12: a peacekeeping force, have an election, and then the entire
Speaker 12: world must unite. By the way, the Chinese, the Russians,
Speaker 12: the Gulf States, the Arab nations have got to participate
Speaker 12: in this, and then when it happens. I believe we
Speaker 12: all have an obligation to ensure two things. That Israel
Speaker 12: is perpetually safe and secure, and that Palestinians have the infrastructure,
Speaker 12: the education system, and the resources necessary to build in
Speaker 12: an economy and provide safety and security themselves. There will
Speaker 12: be Jews living in Palestine, and there will be Palestinians
Speaker 12: living in Israel, as they do right now. By the way,
Speaker 12: the Palestinians living in Israel have more rights than any
Speaker 12: single Muslim in the entire Middle East has in most cases,
Speaker 12: so that.
Speaker 1: They still have fewer rights, but they still have fewer
Speaker 1: rights than they still have fewer rights than Jewish is.
Speaker 5: Really, I just said two things to Trystal. Let me
Speaker 5: just repeat this.
Speaker 12: Two things can be true at once The fact of
Speaker 12: the matter is Israel affords more rights to its Muslim
Speaker 12: population Muslim Israelis than any nation in the Middle East
Speaker 12: affords to their own. That is true. People need to
Speaker 12: know that, you know Israel is as aggressive nation.
Speaker 3: Cowersan.
Speaker 1: Israel is keeping millions before this war, millions of Palestinians
Speaker 1: in Gaza.
Speaker 3: Under a brutal blockade.
Speaker 1: They are keeping the Palestinians in the West Bank under
Speaker 1: a brutal occupation. They have assigned second class citizenship to
Speaker 1: the Arab Israelis, who you know are Israeli citizens. So
Speaker 1: to call that a progressive state, I have to depart
Speaker 1: from your analysis there. But I want to ask you
Speaker 1: a separate question, which is you described Putin's war in
Speaker 1: Ukraine as but con let me let me Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this question. Do you believe that Israel right
Speaker 1: now is committing war crimes?
Speaker 12: I don't have any First of all, I don't have
Speaker 12: any evidence because I'm not a war crime a specialist.
Speaker 12: I'm not going to attorney in that respect. What I
Speaker 12: see is horrifying. There's no question that people are dying
Speaker 12: in an indiscriminate way. There is no by the way,
Speaker 12: and let me let me ask you a question because
Speaker 12: it's a really important one. Every nation of the world
Speaker 12: should abide by the laws of the world as it
Speaker 12: relates to committing war and the atrocities being committed in
Speaker 12: the Middle East. The atrocity is being committed by Russia,
Speaker 12: by nations in Africa, by so many in the world.
Speaker 5: This is this is a bigger issue of Crystal. It's
Speaker 5: not just there.
Speaker 1: Well, I actually want to ask you about that. I
Speaker 1: actually want to I actually want to ask you about
Speaker 1: that because you, if you did describe Putin's war on
Speaker 1: Ukraine as genocide, you accused him of committing war crimes,
Speaker 1: and that came specifically after hearing testimony that involved his
Speaker 1: indiscriminate attacks on civilian infrastructure. And so far we have
Speaker 1: graphic to this regard. Israel has damaged or destroyed roughly
Speaker 1: forty five percent of all housing in Gaza, one hundred
Speaker 1: and seventeen press headquarters, sixty eight mosques, three churches, two
Speaker 1: hundred twenty one schools, and one hundred and fifteen health facilities.
Speaker 1: So you were able to identify that as war crimes
Speaker 1: when it pertained to Russia.
Speaker 3: Why the reluctance here, It's not reluctance.
Speaker 12: I'm telling you right now, I'm saying it once again.
Speaker 12: What I'm seeing happen in Gaza, I believe is both
Speaker 12: destructive to Palestinians and I think is going to be
Speaker 12: equally destructive to Israel and Israelis if this doesn't end
Speaker 12: expeditiously and immediately, and that should happen the minute all
Speaker 12: the hostages are released. If you're Amas and you won't
Speaker 12: release the two hundred hostages in return for creating a
Speaker 12: safe environment for every citizen you ostensibly represent, we've got
Speaker 12: bigger problems. Agree with what you just said, Crystal. It's abhorrent.
Speaker 12: It is worse for Israel's future by conducting the war
Speaker 12: in this fashion. There's no question eliminating hamas is distinct
Speaker 12: from eliminating eliminating human beings in an indiscretionary manner.
Speaker 5: I agree.
Speaker 12: I'm trying to express my heartfelt truth that I am appalled,
Speaker 12: and I'm deeply appalled because I think this is going
Speaker 12: to hurt Israel more in the long term if this continues.
Speaker 12: That's why I want the hostages released. My job, Crystal,
Speaker 12: as a United States Congressman is to first and foremost
Speaker 12: look out for Americans. We have Americans being held hostage
Speaker 12: by a terrorist organization in Gaza that must release them,
Speaker 12: must release them at that very moment. I will be
Speaker 12: the first to call for a ceasefire in international peacekeeping force,
Speaker 12: including Arab nations to protect Gaza, to ensure we have
Speaker 12: free and fair elections as expeditiously as possible in both
Speaker 12: the West Bank and in Gaza. The Palestinian authority is corrupt.
Speaker 12: Hamas is a terrorist organization. And it's also time for
Speaker 12: Benjamin Nettnya whose government to go and let.
Speaker 5: Is Ale's choose peace.
Speaker 12: I demand that, period and paragraph, and I think that's
Speaker 12: going further than many of my colleagues right now. And
Speaker 12: believe me, having traveled to Jerusalem twice this year, being
Speaker 12: in riod and Turkey, trying so hard to push peace
Speaker 12: in the Middle East, I will not rest now. And
Speaker 12: by the way, the reason I'm running for president is
Speaker 12: it is time for a new generation to end this
Speaker 12: nonsense and the wars, invest in peace, invest in diplomacy,
Speaker 12: and it's not going to happen with a bunch of
Speaker 12: eighty year olds who've been doing this for fifty years,
Speaker 12: whether that is in the West Bank or in the
Speaker 12: West Wing period.
Speaker 1: And again Congress, and I'll just reiterate that there was
Speaker 1: a hostage deal on the table to free many of
Speaker 1: the hostages, which was undercut on the Israeli side.
Speaker 12: Many of them, Crystal, I'm saying all of them, all
Speaker 12: of the hostages.
Speaker 5: And by the way, if there's.
Speaker 1: Many, how many children would need to be slaughtered before
Speaker 1: it's time to call for a ceasefire?
Speaker 5: Crystal? What is Come on? Now?
Speaker 12: I'm saying that women and children held hostage by either
Speaker 12: side right now?
Speaker 3: How does it help hostilities? Must and which I agree with,
Speaker 3: But how does it help hostages when you're bombing the
Speaker 3: very area that they're being held in?
Speaker 5: Then I think, Crystal, then releasing.
Speaker 1: Hostages at risk, which is which is what the family
Speaker 1: members of the hostages themselves are saying in Israel, Crystal.
Speaker 12: Nine Americans apparently are being held by Hamas in tunnels
Speaker 12: in Gaza. Release all the hostages and then there must
Speaker 12: be a ceasefire. This is I'm amazed that anybody sees
Speaker 12: it differently. We have nine Americans being held by a
Speaker 12: terrorist organization in Gaza. I'm an elected member of Congress.
Speaker 12: They must be released, along with every single every single hostage,
Speaker 12: and if Israel is keeping hostages that are civilians as well,
Speaker 12: they must be released, period. And then there must be
Speaker 12: a ceasefire, and then there must be a peacekeeping force,
Speaker 12: and there must then be an election. And that is
Speaker 12: exactly how we should all be looking at this. I
Speaker 12: do not want to see one more baby slaughtered in
Speaker 12: Israel and one more baby slaughtered in Gaza.
Speaker 5: Period.
Speaker 12: And by the way, I don't understand how you can
Speaker 12: take one side of humanity if you are just pro
Speaker 12: Palestinian right now, and you know, have no empathy for Israelis,
Speaker 12: and if you're only pro Israeli and you have no
Speaker 12: empathy for Palestinians, you are the problem.
Speaker 1: Which I agree with you completely, Which is exactly why,
Speaker 1: which is exactly why eighty percent of Democrats are calling
Speaker 1: for a ceasefire, because they want to see Palestinian lives
Speaker 1: valued as much as their Israeli brothers and sisters, which
Speaker 1: is the consensus position not only among Democrats but among
Speaker 1: the American public. I want to move I do want
Speaker 1: to move on to some other issues here quickly, because
Speaker 1: I know you don't have a lot of time, so
Speaker 1: very quickly, let's let me have you lay out what
Speaker 1: do you see as the most significant policy differences that
Speaker 1: you have with Joe Biden.
Speaker 12: Well, let's start with this one right here at peace Now.
Speaker 12: I'm sick and tired of a nation. I lost my
Speaker 12: father in the Vietnam War, Crystal. I was six months
Speaker 12: old and he died a couple days after Americans landed
Speaker 12: on the moon. And I literally think about him looking
Speaker 12: up seeing America at its very very best, and then
Speaker 12: looking down and seeing America at.
Speaker 5: Its very very worst.
Speaker 12: I've lived a life of some tragedy, and I've lived
Speaker 12: a life of great opportunity, and I've lived on both
Speaker 12: sides of advantage. And when I think about the America
Speaker 12: that I know and love and that I think we
Speaker 12: can still become, it starts with peace. We have been
Speaker 12: a nation that I think have pursued the wrong paths.
Speaker 12: I think we have a military industrial complex that Eisenhower
Speaker 12: warned us against that is destroying us from the inside.
Speaker 12: I believe that we should now be a nation that
Speaker 12: invests much more heavily in diplomacy than we do in
Speaker 12: our military. By the way, we spend only ten percent
Speaker 12: of our total military budget on diplomacy. And I'll tell
Speaker 12: you this is not the nineteen thirties. This is twenty
Speaker 12: twenty three. We are at a point now where nuclear
Speaker 12: weapons will soon be able to placed in backpacks and
Speaker 12: brought into any city in the world, whether it be
Speaker 12: New York, Tel Aviv, Moscow, or Beijing. And if we
Speaker 12: don't stop this nonsense and generate new leadership both here
Speaker 12: and all around the world, we are going to end
Speaker 12: human life around the globe. So I will be a
Speaker 12: president of peace and I will be a president of prosperity.
Speaker 12: Too many Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. Sixty four
Speaker 12: percent live paycheck to paycheck. This is a huge difference
Speaker 12: between me and the president. Forty percent can't afford a
Speaker 12: four hundred dollars emergency repair. Thirty almost one third of
Speaker 12: total American wealth is held by the top one percent.
Speaker 12: We are not going to survive this. From the inside,
Speaker 12: we have to ensure prosperity, and to the outside, we
Speaker 12: must pursue peace. That is who I am, that is
Speaker 12: what I intend to do. And believe me, that is
Speaker 12: the biggest difference between this administration and mind. I will
Speaker 12: populate mine with conservatives, with liberals, with independence, with thinkers
Speaker 12: on both sides, because if you're going to solve problems,
Speaker 12: you cannot surround yourself only with people who see things
Speaker 12: the same way. I'm afraid President Biden has been bought
Speaker 12: into this style of leadership for fifty years. He had
Speaker 12: eight years in the White House as a vice president,
Speaker 12: and look at these circumstances both in the Ukraine and
Speaker 12: the Middle East. That's a huge point of difference. I
Speaker 12: can go through some less important things, but equally equally different.
Speaker 12: And cannabis legalization, eighty percent of the country wants it.
Speaker 12: Ohio voters just asked to do it the other day
Speaker 12: and they did so. The president does not favor it.
Speaker 12: It's absurd. Psilocybin research. Thirty thousand veterans have committed suicide
Speaker 12: since Iraq and Afghanistan. Another thing we should talk about.
Speaker 12: While we lost three thousand lives there, thirty thousand from suicide.
Speaker 12: Psilocybin could be a perfect example of a naturally occurring
Speaker 12: substance that helps people.
Speaker 5: But you know what, the pharma.
Speaker 12: Industry spends three hundred million dollars a year lobbying Congress
Speaker 12: to protect the status quote because they can't make money
Speaker 12: on cannabis or psilocybin. And you know what, I'm the
Speaker 12: only member of Congress, Cristel who takes no pack money,
Speaker 12: no lobbyist money, no member money, and doesn't have a
Speaker 12: leadership pack. It's absurd. The corruption that we are allowing
Speaker 12: in Washington, that is a huge difference. I will not
Speaker 12: tolerate it any longer. I'm going to tell the difficult truths.
Speaker 12: And by the way, I'm just saying the quiet part
Speaker 12: out loud. The corruption is real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just going to say, I would I
Speaker 1: hope you'll come back and we can talk more about
Speaker 1: your economic plan because I know that's a focus of
Speaker 1: your campaign.
Speaker 5: You don't mind, I'd love to do a lot of propositions.
Speaker 1: I'd love to do just a quick lightning round so
Speaker 1: people can get a sense of where you stand on
Speaker 1: a variety of issues. So, in terms of the minimum wage,
Speaker 1: what do you think it should be said at.
Speaker 12: It's seven twenty five right now, it has to be
Speaker 12: at least fifteen. It's abhorrent that the United States will America,
Speaker 12: and it's abhorrent that this president hasn't ensured that has
Speaker 12: gotten done in the last fifty years.
Speaker 1: And in terms of social security, would you keep it
Speaker 1: where it is. Would you cut benefits or would you
Speaker 1: increase them?
Speaker 12: If I got two propositions on that another example, for
Speaker 12: fifty years leaders have had a chance to do something.
Speaker 12: They haven't done a thing. It's going to go bankrupt
Speaker 12: and twenty thirty three benefits will be cut by twenty
Speaker 12: five percent. Two ways to fix it. Raise the cap
Speaker 12: from one sixty to two hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
Speaker 12: because right now it's regressive. Someone making one hundred and
Speaker 12: sixty thousand dollars a year a family is paying more
Speaker 12: of their income as a percentage than someone making five
Speaker 12: hundred thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 5: It's wrong.
Speaker 12: It should be increased to two fifty. It'll extend the
Speaker 12: life of the program until about twenty forty six. Secondly,
Speaker 12: no one's ever pose the most simple solution for the
Speaker 12: millions of Americans who have done well, who do not
Speaker 12: need their Social Security. I will create a pool that
Speaker 12: will then redistribute those who contribute to it to the
Speaker 12: lowest ten percent of the socioeconomic recipients of social security,
Speaker 12: because inflation is killing people who rely on it entirely,
Speaker 12: and there are millions of Americans who would like to
Speaker 12: be philanthropic and share their success with those who need it,
Speaker 12: not return it to the treasury or to the government,
Speaker 12: but actually to the people, and that will boost depending
Speaker 12: on how generous people are, it could boost the income
Speaker 12: of Social Security recipients magnificently.
Speaker 5: Those are two solutions that I will accomplish.
Speaker 1: The Proact, which would establish for their labor rights and
Speaker 1: hopefully expand the landscape for collective bargaining. Is that something
Speaker 1: you're in favor of and that you'll fight for as president.
Speaker 12: Indeed, collective bargaining unionization I think have made the distinction
Speaker 12: in the United States.
Speaker 5: I have voted for the Proact twice.
Speaker 12: The only part of it I don't like is secondary
Speaker 12: strikes because that allows essentially to occur against companies who
Speaker 12: are actually doing well by their employees. And as a
Speaker 12: family business that I ran for many, many years that
Speaker 12: shared a disproportionate amount of success, one of the first
Speaker 12: profit sharing programs in documented American history in the nineteen forties.
Speaker 12: Believe me, nothing is more important than sharing with workers.
Speaker 12: And I am a pro business and pro worker democrat.
Speaker 12: They're not mutually exclusive, they're mutually mandatory, and that is
Speaker 12: entirely my agenda to ensure the working class. We raise
Speaker 12: the foundation with income, with benefits, with healthcare, with childcare,
Speaker 12: with prec education for children, and not just in cities
Speaker 12: and suburbs, but in rural America.
Speaker 1: And lastly, Congressman, where can people find out more about
Speaker 1: your campaign?
Speaker 12: Thanks for asking, because my team always says you don't
Speaker 12: say it too not enough deem twenty four dot com.
Speaker 12: We are an insurgent campaign. We are in a mission
Speaker 12: to do better for this country. We are up against
Speaker 12: not just a system of corruption, but two political parties
Speaker 12: that are stifling debate, stifling participation. And my message to everybody,
Speaker 12: let's do better. It's time for change, It's time for
Speaker 12: a new generation. I am staffed by the most extraordinary
Speaker 12: team I think in American political history. Got Jeff Weaver,
Speaker 12: formerly Bernie Sanders campaign manager on our team. Got Zach Browman,
Speaker 12: who ran Andrew Yang's campaign in twenty twenty, and of
Speaker 12: course Steve Schmidt, who volunteered to help set this thing
Speaker 12: up because nobody was going to do it. He's now
Speaker 12: off on his own supporting the effort, I think in
Speaker 12: his own way, and I'll tell you what he told me.
Speaker 12: This is a great way to wrap it up. I
Speaker 12: did his podcast about on October eleventh. I was so
Speaker 12: furious that our Democratic Party in Washington was not saying
Speaker 12: the quiet part out loud. I was on his podcast.
Speaker 12: He called me the next day and said, Dean, in
Speaker 12: twenty twenty Joe Biden was the only person who could
Speaker 12: defeat Donald Trump. So we set up the Lincoln Project.
Speaker 12: The President called me right after the election and said
Speaker 12: thank you. He only won by forty thousand votes in
Speaker 12: a handful of states. He called me, he said, in
Speaker 12: twenty twenty four, you are the only one that can
Speaker 12: defeat Donald Trump, and if you want to jump in,
Speaker 12: I'm going to help you get there. And that's where
Speaker 12: we're at. Are a team of rivals. We have progressives, moderates.
Speaker 12: I want to invite everybody. My slogan is everyone's invited,
Speaker 12: So I would invite you to visit Dan twenty four
Speaker 12: dot com. Join the Dean team, help us organize, help
Speaker 12: us mobilize, because the Democratic Party is doing everything it
Speaker 12: can to prevent you from voting for me, to prevent
Speaker 12: other candidates from entering, and to prevent debate at a
Speaker 12: time we need it more than ever.
Speaker 5: The future is Bright.
Speaker 12: We're going to get there, but we need people to help,
Speaker 12: and I would love nothing more.
Speaker 1: Well, Conressan, I want to thank you both for the
Speaker 1: spirit and debate today, but most importantly, you know, I
Speaker 1: think the answer to a sort of ailing democracy is
Speaker 1: more democracy. I think it takes courage to throw your
Speaker 1: hat in the ring. I'm sure you know the probably
Speaker 1: luncheons with your colleagues are little frosty, maybe at this point,
Speaker 1: or maybe privately they're celebrating what you're up to.
Speaker 2: I guess you can.
Speaker 5: Tell you.
Speaker 12: Can imagine when you say the quiet part out loud,
Speaker 12: it's discomforting.
Speaker 5: And let me just extend a final limitation.
Speaker 12: Whether you are passionately pro Israel or whether you're passionately
Speaker 12: pro Palestine, please join us.
Speaker 5: I want to be that bridge.
Speaker 12: I want to demonstrate to the world how Americans do this,
Speaker 12: even if we disagree. Sometimes we've got to place humanity first.
Speaker 12: That means here, that means in Palestine, it means in Israel. Please,
Speaker 12: this is our one chance to change the course of
Speaker 12: world history. If we do it together, it will not
Speaker 12: happen with Donald Trump or Joe Biden.
Speaker 5: Mark my words.
Speaker 3: Corson, thank you so much for your time today. Appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, have a great day. Keep the
Speaker 5: faith