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Speaker 3: Indeed, we do lots to get to.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we've got the results of that rate on Alshiva Hospital.

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Speaker 1: What the Israeli military is presenting somewhat underwhelming thus far,

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Speaker 1: into some serious news here. The very latest coming out

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Speaker 1: of Israel. So of course Al Shifa Hospital, you know,

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Speaker 4: And what we have found, I think is only the

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Speaker 4: Security cameras have been obstructed. All of the security cameras

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Speaker 5: Go in and we will see the MRI center.

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Speaker 4: And see the weapons that Hamas has hidden inside. Were

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Speaker 4: now as you can see, in an MRI room. I

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Speaker 4: And if you follow me behind the MRI machine, I'll

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Speaker 4: another go to bag, this bag here, and again we

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Speaker 5: You open it up and you placed it there.

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Speaker 4: This is the bag that we found, and this is

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Speaker 4: the stuff that was in. Now there's insignia military insignia,

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Speaker 4: a knife. For those of you who read Arabic, you'll

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Speaker 1: So in addition, they released a few photographs. Let's put

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Speaker 1: those up on the screen as well. These were shared

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Speaker 1: Says the IDEAF just released their first photos and videos

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Speaker 2: Hager, Well, bad dates, and keep making the Indiana Jones joke.

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Speaker 2: Eventually somebody will all right.

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Speaker 1: So this is so far what they've presented to us,

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Speaker 1: typically hospitals are totally off limits in war. It requires

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Speaker 3: So go and put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: This was the original computer animation that they presented weeks

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Speaker 1: It sort of looks like doctor Evil's layer or something

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Speaker 1: This is how our own John Kirby, National Security Council

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Speaker 1: Islamic Jihad used some hospitals in the Gaza's trip, including

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Speaker 1: that information related specifically to Al Shifa Sosagar. In advance,

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Speaker 1: we were told command and control node, we were told

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's ahead, put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Barakra Vide reporting from Israeli sources quote a senior Israeli

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Speaker 2: As you said, they previously had said that the entrance

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Speaker 2: we will now definitely locate and dismantle Hamas capabilities. The

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Speaker 2: So as of right now, they haven't released any footage

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Speaker 2: a difficult situation if Israel is not able to produce

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Speaker 2: more evidence, because their level of intelligence that they presented

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Speaker 2: the exact I mean, you all just saw it. We

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Speaker 2: One of the reasons why they may even have knowledge

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Speaker 2: one of those bunkers in the nineteen eighties, and they

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Speaker 2: One of the other reasons also is that much of

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Speaker 2: you can see they're almost exactly one to one. The

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Speaker 2: existence of the most you know, the command node, the

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Speaker 2: question almost every piece of intelligence that they have presented. Now,

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Speaker 2: since there also appears to not be a bit of

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Speaker 2: we'd have intelligence that says that there was a some

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Speaker 2: least he said a Hamas presence, I believe is what

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Speaker 2: okay for the Israeli operation in Al Shifa hospital. Kirby

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Speaker 2: You could at least believe though that Hamas clearly had

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Speaker 2: That is the exact reason Obama didn't drop a bomb

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Speaker 1: Absolutely as it should be, because for weeks now they've

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Speaker 3: It was like this, this is.

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Speaker 2: this shows you where the next phase of the fight

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Speaker 2: could come. Has had hundreds of targets that have actually

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Speaker 2: been hit by Israeli air strikes. And the problem is

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Speaker 2: that it's also below the demarcation zone of where they

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Speaker 2: had told people to flee, and if they're going to

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Speaker 2: tell people to flee from Conunis, it basically leaves around

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Speaker 2: two something million people to squeeze in that tiny area

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Speaker 2: between the Rafa crossing and between the overall southern area,

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Speaker 2: and that's obviously going to be incredibly difficult logistically, and

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Speaker 2: that really could open up a new phase. I think

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Speaker 2: of the overall operation is if they decide to go

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Speaker 2: into this, if they continue with the same level of bombing,

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Speaker 2: but also if they continue with the same ground operation,

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Speaker 2: I still have a lot of questions around what they

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Speaker 2: are actually doing. So the number of IDFKIA officially around

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Speaker 2: fifty two and the level of casualties is not genuinely

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Speaker 2: consistent with clearing tunnels, with firefights and with any of that,

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Speaker 2: and so it really does raise the question around, like,

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Speaker 2: what are the genuine military objectives that are being accomplished

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Speaker 2: by these guys who are like on the ground. What's

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Speaker 2: actually happening? And I actually think this Hospital Crystal could

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Speaker 2: be a big turning point because it could push the US,

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Speaker 2: I think over the edge or the international community if

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Speaker 2: the level if there is an intelligence failure. Again, if

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Speaker 2: this is a big if we still don't know what

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Speaker 2: the major evidence and all of that is, but if

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Speaker 2: it is a big intelligence failure, it could then lead

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Speaker 2: to a rug pull for the Western support at this point,

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Speaker 2: which is already shaky at best. Yeah, you know, in

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Speaker 2: terms of how the US and the overall rest of

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Speaker 2: the West is approaching this conflict.

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Speaker 1: Put a eight up on the screen, guys, because this

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Speaker 1: was a first there was the US actually allowed. They

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Speaker 1: didn't veto it they just abstained. They allowed the UN

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Speaker 1: Security Council to pass a resolution calling for pauses in

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Speaker 1: the fighting in Gaza. That's different than the ceasefire. But

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Speaker 1: as Barack Revied points out, here's the first time the

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Speaker 1: UN Security Council adopts any resolution on the war. And

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Speaker 1: I mean to me in terms of what their goals are. Here,

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Speaker 1: to me, it's not a mystery based on the statements

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Speaker 1: about of you know, Israeli officials, based on the one

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Speaker 1: I just told you about from the IDF spokesperson, based

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Speaker 1: on the plans that were leaked strategically from an official

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Speaker 1: Israeli government ministry that said, no, what our ideal situation

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Speaker 1: is we push everybody displaced, everyone from the north, then

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Speaker 1: we push everybody to the south, and we basically force

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Speaker 1: Egypt and other Arab nations to take in this Palestinian population.

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Speaker 1: This is something that members of the Netnyahu coalition have

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Speaker 1: wanted for quite some time and have been openly advocating

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Speaker 1: for really for years. So it shouldn't be any surprise

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Speaker 1: that this is the goal. That the goal is complete

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Speaker 1: ethnic cleansing of the Gaza strip. And there were reports

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Speaker 1: about how pressure is being put on Egypt to use

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Speaker 1: their considerable debt load to try to pressure them into this.

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Speaker 1: There were also reports that there's pressure being put on

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Speaker 1: the US to take in Palestinian refugees as well. But

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Speaker 1: you know, to me, it's very clear what the goal is.

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Speaker 1: The only question is whether they'll really be able to

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Speaker 1: accomplish this goal. But I just think it's important to

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Speaker 1: keep in mind where we already are in this conflict,

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Speaker 1: which is, for Gaza City was incredibly densely populated. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is where the majority of the population of Gaza

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Speaker 1: lived and it's gone. I mean, forty five percent of

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Speaker 1: all homes within all of the Gaza Strip, not just

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Speaker 1: in Gaza City, have already been damaged or destroyed. The

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Speaker 1: people who the millions who have been displaced from their homes,

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Speaker 1: like there's nothing for them to go back to in

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Speaker 1: Gaza City, that's already where we are. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: are they degrading hamas capabilities?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We haven't really seen much evidence of that. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I mean we haven't seen much evidence of like

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Speaker 1: really going directly and targeting the military infrastructure. And then

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Speaker 1: there's also the question that Elon Musk asked and that

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Speaker 1: the Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff asked as well,

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Speaker 1: which is how many new Hamas members are you creating

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Speaker 1: with these actions? Which is part of, you know, the

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Speaker 1: lesson we should have taken from our actions in responding

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Speaker 1: to nine to eleven. So for me, it's not really

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Speaker 1: a mystery what their goals are, what their approaches. You

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Speaker 1: can see it in what they're telling, you know, their

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Speaker 1: own population, what they're saying publicly, and the military actions

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Speaker 1: that are unfolding on the ground.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I look, is that the goal of

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Speaker 2: the Israeli far right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Is it the overall goal of the Israeli military? I

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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, well, I mean that's really military is

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Speaker 3: just doing what they are.

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Speaker 2: Well, we know that you read I actually think was

527
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Speaker 2: quite accurate, is that they're going for damage, not accuracy.

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Speaker 2: But that's kind of what I'm saying, is that they're

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Speaker 2: basically willing to pull the trigger on a fifteen to

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Speaker 2: twenty percent chance. That's just not something in the way

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Speaker 2: most Western militaries would act. That's a different thing though

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Speaker 2: than it targeted like we're going to blow as much

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Speaker 2: civilians up as possible. I don't really think that's what

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Speaker 2: they're doing. I think it's more in terms of their

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Speaker 2: I just don't care as much about collateral damage. But

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Speaker 2: there is good there's an important difference between those two.

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Speaker 1: But at what point do we go beyond quote unquote

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Speaker 1: collateral damage when somewhere around ninety percent of the deaths

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Speaker 1: are civilian, At what point do you know? Listen, people

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Speaker 1: can lie about their intent, but the numbers don't lie.

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Speaker 1: Forty percent of the deaths are children. So at what

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Speaker 1: point do you say, like, this isn't collateral damage. This

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Speaker 1: is part of the goal of the operation, as evidence

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Speaker 1: by what has unfolded us far.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm saying, though, is that they just

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Speaker 2: don't care about that number, and they would care and

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Speaker 2: point to the one fair I'm not justifying this. I'm

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Speaker 2: only saying that the intent matters and what it all

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Speaker 2: looks like it actually is.

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Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know that the intent does

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Speaker 1: matter at a certain point when you have this level

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Speaker 1: of civilian death and targeting of civilian.

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Speaker 2: Infrastructure, the intent matters in terms of whether they're going

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Speaker 2: to what the goal is, and how they're what they're

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Speaker 2: willing to. So let's say that their red line was

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Speaker 2: ethnic cleansing. They're like, this is our full blown goal.

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Speaker 2: That's not what you would do that, you would do

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Speaker 2: something different. Now, it can be a secondary goal. It

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Speaker 2: could be one of those things that it would be nice,

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Speaker 2: it would fulfill some political you know, objective, but that's

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Speaker 2: not the the way you would conduct That is what

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Speaker 2: they did in uh what between Azerbaijan and Armenia. That's

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Speaker 2: what actual full blown ethnic cleansing.

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Speaker 4: Some of it.

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Speaker 1: They laid down exactly what the goal was, and they

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Speaker 1: have un like the.

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Speaker 3: Phase by phase process.

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Speaker 1: First move people out of the north, then put pressure

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Speaker 1: on the south.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is exactly that's exactly what.

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Speaker 1: Is being what is unfolded thus far, and then you

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Speaker 1: put off the table any other solutions. So for example,

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Speaker 1: the US, which you know, there's a lot of problems

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Speaker 1: to this idea too, is like, hey, let's have the

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Speaker 1: Palestinian authority run the Gaza Strip afterwards. No, that's not

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Speaker 1: going to work for US, which is no surprise because

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Speaker 1: number one, I mean, I think Palestinian authority probably isn't

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Speaker 1: up to the task. But number two, they don't want

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Speaker 1: unity between the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. And

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Speaker 1: then when you couple what's already unfolding in Gaza with

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Speaker 1: what's being done in the West Bank, with settlers being

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Speaker 1: turned loose and basically running wild, massacring Palestinians there as well,

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Speaker 1: and pushing them off their land too. It's very hard

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Speaker 1: for me not to look at the facts as they're

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Speaker 1: unfolding and say, Yeah, this is the goal, this is

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Speaker 1: the plan that is unfolding, this is what they're pushing towards,

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Speaker 1: and the only question is whether anyone's going to stand

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Speaker 1: in their way.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you think that because you have a

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Speaker 2: very look. I think you're coming at it from a

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Speaker 2: place of zero trust from Israel. I wouldn't say I

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Speaker 2: have zero let's call it. I don't know. I have

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Speaker 2: a neutral trust of both Hamas and of Israel, not

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Speaker 2: willing to assume the worst of really anyone except for

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Speaker 2: the Hamas terrorists, but specifically not the PA. So ethnic

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Speaker 2: cleansing or genocide is one where you have an explicit

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Speaker 2: aim of wiping out this entire race or pushing them

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Speaker 2: out of the region. Now, is that existing in a

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Speaker 2: document which we covered here on the show. Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: is that the official plan? I don't know. There are

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Speaker 2: all kinds of secret plans inside the Pentagon. There are

602
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Speaker 2: plans inside the Pentagon to break a rack into three parts.

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Speaker 2: There was actually very serious considered at one point, pushed

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Speaker 2: by Vice President Joe Biden. Does that mean it was

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Speaker 2: the actual plan of the US government. Not really. I

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Speaker 2: actually don't think there is a plan. I think there

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Speaker 2: are disparate elements within the Israeli governments, some of them

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Speaker 2: wo want as ethnic cleansing, some of them who have

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Speaker 2: no problem with collateral damage, some of whom are probably

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Speaker 2: much more Westerner aligned and are ashamed of the way

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Speaker 2: that the entire operation goes. And this is like what

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Speaker 2: the consensus view is. So that seems to me like

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Speaker 2: it's much more like of a cluster rather than any

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Speaker 2: explicit aim. Now that doesn't justify what all of the

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Speaker 2: deaths are, but it comes to how are we going

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Speaker 2: to as the United States, international Community, Israel, all of us,

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Speaker 2: what does this all end up look like? I think

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Speaker 2: it probably ends whenever the international community just rug pulls

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Speaker 2: its support. There will be no final determination on Hamas.

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Speaker 2: There will just be a high death toll. There will

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Speaker 2: be now a huge squabble over internal security indefinite and

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Speaker 2: all of that, and I think it's more, in my opinion,

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Speaker 2: is more terrifying that there isn't a plan, that there

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Speaker 2: isn't a consensus plan. So I don't think that there

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Speaker 2: is a plan.

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Speaker 1: You're right, I don't trust Israel. But actually, at this

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Speaker 1: I'm taking them at their word. When you have Security minister,

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Speaker 1: a Security Cabinet member and Minister Avi Diktor of the

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Speaker 1: Coud party Na Yahu's party announcing the plan for residents

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Speaker 1: of Gaza is Gaza knock but twenty twenty three, that's

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Speaker 1: how it'll end. When you have Bezaliel Smotrich calling for

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Speaker 1: the quote voluntary migration of Gaza Arabs to the countries

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Speaker 1: of the world. When you have Nanyahu himself comparing Palestinians

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Speaker 1: to the biblical foe of the Jewish people Amlek, who

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Speaker 1: they are called to destroy, including women and children. I'm

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Speaker 1: taking them at their word of what they actually want

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Speaker 1: to do here and as evidence by their actions thus far,

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Speaker 1: which are entirely consistent with pushing the population out of

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Speaker 1: Gaza entirely. Now again, does that mean they will succeed?

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Speaker 1: Not necessarily. It depends on whether the US decides that

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Speaker 1: we are going to you know, accept this quote unquote

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Speaker 1: final solution. And I do use those words very intentionally

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Speaker 1: of the population in the Gaza strip or whether we

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Speaker 1: are going to step in and use the considerable leverage

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Speaker 1: that we have. But I'm just looking at their actual

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Speaker 1: statements and their actions on the ground.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Christel, but you know the person that

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Speaker 2: you read is a freaking agricultural That's like saying Tom

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Speaker 2: Vilsack's opinion on Israel matters, like.

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Speaker 3: Who is a member of the security cabinet.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but I mean technically Tom Vilsack is thet a

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Speaker 2: member of the US cabinet. Well, do you want to

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Speaker 2: take I.

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Speaker 1: Say, now the president of Israel saying there are no

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Speaker 1: innocent civilians?

656
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Speaker 2: Much more important?

657
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Speaker 1: You want to take that Yahoo himself again comparing them

658
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Speaker 1: to Amelek.

659
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Speaker 3: The historical foe of the Jewish people.

660
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Speaker 1: Uh, and you know, calling for them to be completely

661
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Speaker 1: wiped out, including women, children and infants.

662
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Speaker 2: So I agree. I think that the President of Israel,

663
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Speaker 2: who by the way, is the head of state, actually

664
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Speaker 2: has no power. But that's a second and everything. It's

665
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: still important for the head of state for what the

666
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: statements and all that his statements nets and Yao's statements

667
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: and the security ministers or the Defense minister statements are

668
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: the single most and what we would recognize that in

669
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Speaker 2: the US system. Now none of them have said anything

670
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: like that. That said, that doesn't mean it's not problematic

671
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: and that there isn't any real internal policing going on.

672
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Speaker 2: So I'm just saying I think we should all be

673
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: super reluctant to just throw these terms out there. You

674
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: can have terrible net effects, but actual intent matters a

675
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Speaker 2: lot in terms of how things are going to end up,

676
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: and I think people may are probably reading this as

677
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: like covering for these Raelies. I. Again, the effect matters

678
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: the most into the families and the people who are dead.

679
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: That's actually what matters the most. However, from an international

680
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: relations and geopolitics perspective, what their intent is and how

681
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: we can actually shape the situation to our benefit and

682
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: not what their real aims are that matters in terms

683
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Speaker 2: of how we lessen the security implications on us, and

684
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Speaker 2: also what they want. What their future is is Netta now,

685
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: who is not going to be there forever. So if

686
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Speaker 2: that was the explicit aim, is that the official aim

687
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: of the entire Israeli security cabinet is at the aim

688
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: of what the general consensus is of the Israeli population.

689
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: I genuinely would say no. And so I think part

690
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: of the issue is that you have a lot of

691
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Speaker 2: disparate coalitions inside Israel right now they had to have

692
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: no most of them don't even know what they want.

693
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Speaker 2: Even the hostage thing, I mean, hostages really remains like

694
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: the single uniting thing probably within Israeli society. Well, I

695
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: would say, then it's like, well, you know what actions

696
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: are actually being taken to release the hostages. I always

697
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 2: find that a bit odd and in terms of the

698
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: discourse because it's like some things are very incongruent with

699
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Speaker 2: releasing hostages or not cease fire deals, diplomacy, etc. When

700
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: that falls apart, now what so, I think we're in

701
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: the worst situation. I think it's very much like Iraq.

702
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: There were a lot of different people who wanted to

703
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: invade Iraq for various different reasons, democracy, promotion, security, you know,

704
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: all kinds of other non profits you know, on cases,

705
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: And what ended up happening is that because there was

706
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Speaker 2: no real overall security aim with that, the day after

707
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Speaker 2: it became a cluster and we ended up saying there

708
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: for twenty years. I think very likely that's the same

709
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: scenario that's going to happen for Israel. But that doesn't

710
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 2: necessarily mean that that's the overall intent. That doesn't also

711
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: mean that it's not horrible to be Palestinian to live

712
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 2: into Gaza right now.

713
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Speaker 1: So even if you want to say that it's unclear, yes,

714
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: what the intent is at this point, it's too late.

715
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Speaker 1: By the time it's already happened and you say like, oh,

716
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: I guess they really did want to do the ethnic

717
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: cleansing that they've been telling us all this time that

718
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: they wanted to do, then it's too late. That's why

719
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: it's important to look at the words and the actions

720
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Speaker 1: that are being taken now. And again, Sager, you already

721
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: have about two million people who are.

722
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 2: Displaced, Yes, God, but at least there really.

723
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Speaker 1: Displaced it and I'm ninety percent roughly civilian casualty toll.

724
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: You already have Palestinians being aggressively pushed off of their

725
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: land in the West Bank aiden embedded by the IDF.

726
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: So you know, I think part of this is thinking

727
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: clearly about what has this government said in the past

728
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: they want to do, what are the plans that they

729
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: have you know, strategically leaked to the public. What are

730
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: their comments now and what are the actions that we

731
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: see unless we want to you know, look back and say, whoops,

732
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: we aided and about at and ethic cleansing. Didn't really

733
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: mean to thought they intended something different. I guess it's

734
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: too late now.

735
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I mean I think that the dangers of

736
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 2: it behind ethnic cleansing are very real. I think it's

737
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: very possible also within the current security cabinet. But for now,

738
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 2: two million of them are alive. We have a chance,

739
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: I think, in order to try and draw the operation

740
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 2: to a close, have some of security thing, which is

741
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: which the Israelis can accept, and then move pat get

742
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: the hostages out and actually move to a situation where

743
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: these people can at the very least return, you know,

744
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: to where they were from, and with the international support

745
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: and hopefully Israel paying the bill, not America, they can

746
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: actually stay and then possibly we can all move forward.

747
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 2: Now that's what I would like to see. Whether the

748
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: Israelis want to see that, I don't think so. Whether

749
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: Hamas actually wants that either, It's not like this hasn't

750
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: been a very beneficial situation to them. I think that's

751
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 2: very very much true the Arab world and the international community.

752
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 2: I think that we're actually near, We're much nearer to

753
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: a deciding point away from the current situation than we

754
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: were before. And I actually I think that that could

755
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: be could be a beneficial direction that we would move in,

756
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: especially with whatever happens with this hospital. That's really what

757
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 2: I think.

758
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: One in two hundred at least residents of Gaza Palestinians

759
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: and Gaza have already been killed. And I don't know

760
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: if we're still doing like the nine to eleven math.

761
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: No, we need to put it complete shutdown.

762
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: I don't have any idea how many nine to elevens

763
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: that equates to, but I just want people to sit

764
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: and think what that would mean. One and two hundred

765
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: residents of the Gaza strip have already been killed. That's

766
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: where we're at in this operation right now.

767
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: So I think that would be my back of the

768
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: n African math is a couple hundred thousand Americans, But

769
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent sure. Again, though I am

770
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: calling for a shutdown.

771
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: Nine eleven math, I'm not calculated. I'll have it here.

772
00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: People will be super annoyed with me.

773
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 2: Ever, Shi Shingping, we had a big meeting, arguably, as

774
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: I said, the most important meeting in the world. We

775
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: didn't have any crazy developments, but they met for over

776
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 2: four hours face to face with his extraordinary always to

777
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: have any president and the premiere of China sit down

778
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: for that long period of time. Let's take a listen

779
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: to a little bit of what was said inside of

780
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: the meeting.

781
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Speaker 6: Ready ready for I value our conversation because I think

782
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 6: it's paramount that you and I understand each other clearly,

783
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 6: leader to leader, with no misconceptions or miscommunication. We have

784
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 6: to ensure that competition does not veer in the conflict,

785
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 6: and we also have to manage it responsibly. Competition, that's

786
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 6: what the United States want and what we intend to do.

787
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 7: This relationship has never been smooth sailing over the past

788
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 7: fifty years or more, and it always faces problems of

789
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 7: one kind or another. Yet it has kept moving forward

790
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 7: amid twists and turns.

791
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: So what you heard a little bit there was like

792
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: the pleasantries that are involved. Obviously, she doesn't like the

793
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 2: press or didn't answer any questions. There were no press

794
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 2: conferences or any of that. But the public statements from

795
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: him and the readouts are some things that we can

796
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: parse about what was said within the meeting. Let's go

797
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 2: and put this up there on the screen. The Chinese

798
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: are obsessed with the concept of mutual respect, and when

799
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 2: they say that word, what they mean is that whatever

800
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: we say goes, and then whatever you say, well, it

801
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: may go, it may not go. But the idea is

802
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: is that all things should be discussed on a footing

803
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: in which each person's viewpoint is considered valid, and by

804
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: that they mostly mean their own. What happened in this

805
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: meeting was very important. President Hichinpang of China told quote

806
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 2: that it was unrealistic for either of the two largest

807
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: economic and military superpowers to expect to quote red the other,

808
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 2: as both countries tried in their own way to halt

809
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 2: the downward spiral in their relationship. He also took pains

810
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 2: to emphasize quote that planet Earth is big enough for

811
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: two superpowers. I think the use of the word superpower

812
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: and Earth were also very intentional in terms of what

813
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: they said. The Chinese came in with this with a

814
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: single goal, crystal, and that was to ensure that continued

815
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: decoupling policy, which is effectively bipartisan now at this point

816
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: does not proceed. The Chinese economy is suffering dearly. Something

817
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 2: that you should take note of is that sitting right

818
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: next to President Biden with Secretary Janet Yellen, who is

819
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: as big of a China economic dove as exists within

820
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: the US cabinet, and in fact, there were explicit decisions

821
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: made in terms of the seating chart and all of

822
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: that to make sure that President Biden had his most

823
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 2: China friendly aids around him. That the Chinese also wanted

824
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: to dictate for who that they were talking to. The

825
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: important point that they were trying to do is that

826
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: they're trying to throw America a bone on something that

827
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 2: they really really wanted. We wanted to store our military

828
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 2: to military communications for deconfliction purposes in the South China.

829
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 2: See that's important. Actually, yeah, one hundred percent support that.

830
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: The reason why is that they were suspended after the balloon.

831
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: What they also wanted was to make sure that we

832
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: understood that they could turn up the economic the pain

833
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: on us if they wanted to in the middle of

834
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: an election year. But also they want us to stop

835
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: putting the economic pain on them. Almost all of it

836
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 2: comes back to Shishiping in his grasp on power. Apparently

837
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: there was a comment made probably who knows how far

838
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: you can take this to the bank. China said they

839
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 2: didn't address Taiwan exactly, but just said that they wouldn't

840
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 2: expect any military action quote in the coming years. Overall,

841
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: the meeting itself probably went well in that there were

842
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: no major falling apart episodes. There wasn't a repeat of

843
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty one meeting where Jake Sullivan met with

844
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: his counterpart in Alaska and basically got screamed out on

845
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 2: camera for four hours, which probably marked a real like

846
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: nader I guess for the relationship. So interestingly, I think

847
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 2: from America's point of view, what Biden wanted going into

848
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: the meeting is he basically wanted to telegraph to she.

849
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: He's like, don't make my life harder. I've got Ukraine

850
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 2: and I've got Israel. Just please you don't be a

851
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: problem for me. And she very much wants to use

852
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 2: that to his advantage, and he's like, okay, but then

853
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: I'm going to need to see you guys play ball

854
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: with me a little bit here. This is all in

855
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: the context of the overall APEC meeting with other Asian

856
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: leaders who are inside of San Francisco. We talked about

857
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: all the domestic stuff too on Tuesday, the.

858
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: Clean up, the clean up San Francis where he admitted it.

859
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: He admitted it on camera. That's a whole other thing.

860
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Speaker 3: I guess I appreciate it.

861
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: And yes, yeah, we appreciate honesty on this show.

862
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's a few things that are interesting

863
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: to me. First of all, it's important to remember that,

864
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: you know, basically there was such a massive fallout.

865
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 3: Over that whole balloon situation.

866
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: There was wasn't Blinkeln that was supposed to travel to

867
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 1: China and canceled his trip, and so since then things

868
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: have been on a bit of a downward spiral. So

869
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: that's part of why this meeting takes on extra importance.

870
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: The last time the tube pet was a year ago,

871
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: is on the sidelines of the G twenty in Bali.

872
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: There was the stated goal of that meeting was to

873
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: try to create a quote floor under the relationship. That

874
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: didn't go all that well. This one seems to have

875
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: gone much better. They also agreed China agreed to crack

876
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: down on the flow of chemicals used to make fentanel

877
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: to Mexican cartel, So that was the additional But Saber,

878
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: do you read into this that there's been kind of

879
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: a pivot on China's part because of the economic stress

880
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: that they're under right now?

881
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: Hard to say. China is probably in the best position

882
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: that's ever been in its relationship with the United States

883
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: in terms of power. And what a reason I mean

884
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: by that is that I just laid it out. I mean,

885
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 2: to me, this is the most important. The reason we

886
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 2: put the second I know it's boring and I apologize,

887
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 2: is this is the most important meeting in the world.

888
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: But the way that the Biden administration and most people

889
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: in Washington think, they think Ukraine is the frontline of democracy,

890
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: and they think that Israel is like the greate most

891
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: important the thing. They should dominate all of our politics,

892
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 2: they should dominate all of our militaryat and all that.

893
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 2: It's like, what if I told you that neither Israel

894
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 2: or Ukraine isn't even close to the top twenty in

895
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: our trading partners in the world. China is literally number two,

896
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: especially if you consider Canada and Mexico. When you really

897
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 2: think about how singularly important the relationship is there and

898
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: then the fate of the Asia Pacific. To me, it's

899
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: crazy that they want to look at China as a sideshow.

900
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: So China is in a very Here's the thing too,

901
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: if you're coming in to a meeting, if you know

902
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: President Biden and Jake Sullivan are obsessed with Ukraine, what

903
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 2: are you going to sit there and talk about all day? Oh,

904
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: maybe we'll give Russia weapons, maybe we won't. And it's like, yeah,

905
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: but as long as you're talking about that, you're not

906
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 2: talking about our three oh one tariffs on steel. We're

907
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: not talking about Taiwan, We're not talking about Japan, South Korea,

908
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: countries that actually produce things which are important for US.

909
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: This is the problem, My overall problem with the Biden

910
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: administration's foreign policy is they are it's like they are

911
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 2: living in the two thousand and three world in how

912
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 2: they conduct their overall foreign policy see or even think

913
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 2: about the economy, mostly because Biden is old and they

914
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: refuse to wake up to fifty percent of the world.

915
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: GDP is sitting in San Francisco right now with the

916
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 2: APEC conference. When you include China and yet there are

917
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: it's a sideshow to everything that else is happening. So

918
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: for China, they really want to use that in order

919
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: to make sure that they can drive down any of

920
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: the ex bipartisan movement on tariffs here in Washington, and

921
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,959
Speaker 2: I actually think they're going to be successful. I would

922
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 2: expect that there is going to be some teriff relief

923
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four because the Biden people are under

924
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: such pressure to deliver a better economy. And of course

925
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 2: what's the easiest thing you give up on the tariffs,

926
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: which is laughable when you really consider it, because that's

927
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 2: just short term bump, short term reduction in price at

928
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: the overall expense of American manufacturing. So anyway, that's my

929
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: overall read of the situation.

930
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that makes sense.

931
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the polling.

932
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 1: New poll from Reuters just came out and it shows

933
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: pretty rapidly collapsing support for Israel's war on Gozig. We've

934
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: got the comparison of where these are were previously and

935
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: where they are now. So previously you had forty one

936
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: percent who said that the US should back Israel in

937
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: that Reuters HIPSOS poll that was conducted October twelve through thirteenth.

938
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: In this latest poll, it drops to thirty two percent.

939
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: At the same time, the percent that says we should

940
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: just be a neutral mediator has increased from twenty seven

941
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: percent to thirty nine percent. And SAGAF you look at

942
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: this poll further. They also asked about the popularity of

943
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: a ceasefire. You have overwhelming support for a ceasfire. Sixty

944
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: eight percent of respondents said they agreed with the statement

945
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: that Israel should call a ceasefire and try to negotiate,

946
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: and that includes about three quarters of Democrats and even

947
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: half of Republicans support a ceasefire according to this poll.

948
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty interesting how much this cuts against

949
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: I would say the overall like bipartisan consensus at the

950
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 2: elite level. The most important one I actually thought was

951
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: about the neutral arbiter, about how there's been rising support

952
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 2: for wanting the US to play a more neutral role

953
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 2: in the conflict. And that actually is a point that

954
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 2: Glenn Greenwell has been consistently making. Here is we have

955
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: all whipped ourselves into a post nine to eleven type

956
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: hysteria about a conflict in a foreign country. Listen, I

957
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: like Israel. I like Israel as much as I like

958
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 2: any other foreign country. Which is nice to visit. It's

959
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: not particularly special for me. It is for some people.

960
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: But that's the problem is that they a lot of

961
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: people are not being honest in the way and the

962
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 2: emotional attachment that they're talking about the conflict. Tucker actually

963
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: made this point in his segment with Candas Owans will

964
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 2: definitely cover some of his comments on that. But the

965
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 2: dispassionate view that I think that many Americans want the

966
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 2: government to feel is an annoyance with the level of

967
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: discourse and obsession that we find ourselves as an American

968
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 2: political system kind of locked in to the conflict, as

969
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 2: if it's something that is it's just like Ukraine, Like

970
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, this doesn't matter. It

971
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: actually does not matter at all to the vast majority

972
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: of Americans to the way that we live our lives.

973
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: You can have a moral angle and that's fine, but

974
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: at a baseline level, it's not actually all that important

975
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 2: for us. And that's something that I think Americans is

976
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 2: starting to feel in the level of not only military

977
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: support the fourteen billion, but really the I mean you

978
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 2: saw it, you know at the Sea whatever. The rally

979
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: was called the no Ceasefire rally, where you had all

980
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 2: of the politicians or kind of join hands and link

981
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 2: up together. And it's very rare that you see that

982
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: level of byparsonship in Washington. I think that's what Americans

983
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: are responding to in the poll.

984
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: Well. I think also what they're responding to is obviously

985
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: there was overwhelming, understandable, justified sympathy and horror at what

986
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: happened on October seven, But all that we've seen since

987
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: then is horrific images of kids being pulled from rubble

988
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: and babies dying, and you know, just horrible scenes you

989
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: can't even imagine. So it makes a lot of sense

990
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: that as you see that unfolding, and you understand your

991
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: government's involvement and complicity in those images, that the very

992
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: basic normy reaction is just stop the carnage.

993
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 3: Just stop the carnage. So it is remarkable.

994
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: I mean, this is one of these areas where there

995
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: is such a distance between DC elected officials and what

996
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: the public actually wants and actually supports. As I said,

997
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: even a majority of Republicans are in favor of a ceasefire.

998
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: There isn't a single Republican member of Congress who is

999
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: in favor of a ceasefire, and among Democrats, the sentiment

1000
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: is overwhelming.

1001
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 3: This one says three quarters.

1002
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: Another pulsas eighty percent of Democrats in support of a ceasefire,

1003
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: and very precious few in the House and only one

1004
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: in the Senate who actually take that position. So it

1005
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: does show you, you know, a dramatic disconnect here, especially

1006
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: with the aggressive nature of the comments from Joe Biden

1007
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 1: against a cease fire, the comments from the White House

1008
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: podium that you know, those calling for a ceasefire are repugnant,

1009
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: et cetera, when this is actually the view of the

1010
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: American people. The other piece in this polsager that was

1011
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: interesting is only thirty one percent of Pole respondents say

1012
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: they support sending Israel weapons, less than a third, and

1013
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: that's actually lower numbers than when they asked about Ukraine

1014
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: where it was in the forties. So, you know, as

1015
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: much as public opinion in favor of sending Ukraine weapons

1016
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: has fallen off, support for sending Israel weapons right now

1017
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: is just thirty one percent. Again, dramatic departure from what

1018
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: elite consensus and opinion here is in Washington, DC, and

1019
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: you're starting to see some political fallout. This caught my

1020
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: eye from Rolling Stone, you know, the Biden campaign, they

1021
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: made a big show of like courting these influencers, and

1022
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: they haven't met these different Watch parties, and they try

1023
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: to include them because they're trying to win over the

1024
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: youths et cetera. Put this up on the screen from

1025
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone. A number of those influencers who were behind

1026
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: Biden in twenty twenty are turning on him.

1027
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: Now.

1028
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: There's a variety of issues they talk about here, but

1029
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: the most consistent one is over this war. They talked

1030
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: to the sky George Lee Junior, he's got two point

1031
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: four million followers as the conscious Lee on TikTok. He

1032
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: was invited to that State of the Union Watch party

1033
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: at the White House. But he is very critical of

1034
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: Biden on his Israel policy and enabling Israel's war on Gaza.

1035
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: So he said to the Rolling Stone quote, when we

1036
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: start talking about the lesser of two evils, a lot

1037
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: of my followers, all three million of them, are literally

1038
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: asking the question like damn, So the lesser of the

1039
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: two evils is the one that's supporting Jedocide noted noted,

1040
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: how I talk to my followers about it is like

1041
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: and excuse my language, I'm going to cuss God damn Biden,

1042
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: your weak ass is going to rally the entire of

1043
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: America to be against right wing governments. Meanwhile you are

1044
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: being unrelentless, unconditional and giving support to a right wing government.

1045
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 3: That's funny.

1046
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: They talk to another creator who is very focused on

1047
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 1: environmental issues, is really disappointed over the Willow Project. He

1048
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: is looking at supporting Mary Ann Williamson. It's just an

1049
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: emblem of what a massive issue Biden has with a

1050
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: variety of constituent groups, but with young people in particular,

1051
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: and over this issue in particular. You know, their theory

1052
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: is like they'll get over it when it comes down

1053
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: to it and it's me versus Trump. They hate Trump more.

1054
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: They're going to show back up. They did last time.

1055
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: Last time they were a little unsure and then in

1056
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: the end they came around and they supported I don't

1057
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: know it's going to work out that way this time.

1058
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 2: I think they'll all vote for him. I do well.

1059
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: The other question is, though, do they just stay home

1060
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 1: there are going to be other options on the ballot.

1061
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: Do they vote for Cornell West? Do they just you know,

1062
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: decide not to engage in this intellectual politics whatsoever.

1063
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: It's Cornell even on the ballot. That's the big question

1064
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: I will see. I think a lot of these people

1065
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: I've already I'm already beginning to see it. I just

1066
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: saw the other day at Washington Post had an article

1067
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 2: it was like Trump rhetoric reminds of Hitler, and I

1068
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, is it twenty fifteen again,

1069
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 2: Like that's how it's starting to feel for me. I

1070
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 2: think these people are pretty predictable. You can whip them up, sure,

1071
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: you know they'll say this about but at the end

1072
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 2: of the day, like if they think Trump, if you

1073
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 2: think Trump is literally Hitler, which a lot of them do,

1074
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 2: then they're probably going to vote for Biden.

1075
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: I think you're underestimating what a searing event this is

1076
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: for a lot of young people, in the same way

1077
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: that the Iraq War was a searing event for a generation.

1078
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: I think it is at that level of like absolute

1079
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: horror that our government could be involved in such a thing,

1080
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: horror that such a thing was even on the table.

1081
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 3: And whether or not you agree with that.

1082
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: Perspective, I think it goes a lot deeper than just

1083
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 1: like a flash in the pan concern of the moment,

1084
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: and you see that by you know, the widespread protests

1085
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: across the country. You see it by the energy on

1086
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: social media. You know, it's hard to quantify these things,

1087
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: but it is my sense that this this cuts a

1088
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: little deeper than some of the other things. It's not

1089
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: a flash in the pan. This is genuinely like this

1090
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: generation's a rock war moment.

1091
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, it just seems crazy to me.

1092
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 2: Once again, I mean, you're not Palestinian, and it's like,

1093
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: you know, in America we were involved in the Iraq War.

1094
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 2: Our soldiers are the one who are dying. Like the

1095
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 2: idea to me that you're going to get all that

1096
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 2: spun up about at the end of the day, which

1097
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 2: is the conflict, which says no effect on you, literally whatsoever.

1098
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 2: It seems kind of nuts to me. But the other

1099
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: thing is the general generation divide. We can put this

1100
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 2: up there on the screen. We have forty eight percent

1101
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 2: this is this was a poll taken on October eleventh.

1102
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: So take that for what forty eight percent millennial and

1103
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 2: gen Z support for Israel, forty percent saying do nothing

1104
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 2: or and are unsure, twelve percent at criticize Israel. We

1105
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 2: could probably surmise that that ca has moved a little bit,

1106
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 2: but that still did so a majority of millennial and

1107
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,959
Speaker 2: gen Z people were supporting Israel. If you dig into

1108
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 2: the cross tabs for most of the polls and you

1109
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: mostly see like a fifty to fifty split. Now, fifty

1110
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: to fifty is very different than gen X, baby boomer

1111
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 2: in Silent generation. Don't get me wrong. It's probably also

1112
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: even if you disaggregated gen Z from millennial. But I

1113
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: don't think it's the same level. I mean, I mean,

1114
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 2: it just seems a little bit silly for people who

1115
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: are supposed I don't know. For me, it's like, it

1116
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: can't be rock war when it's not your own citizens

1117
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 2: who are the ones who are the ones doing the

1118
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 2: fighting and the dying. But it is they are foreign content.

1119
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 1: But it is our taxpayer dollars that are sending the bombs. Sure,

1120
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: but kill Yemen to kill dollars to kill Palestinians. Yeah,

1121
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: And that's absolutely true. And that conflict was dramatically undercovered.

1122
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: I mean, something we covered here as well.

1123
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 3: But the horror of.

1124
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: These images that are coming out, the understanding that we are,

1125
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, not just enabling but directly complicit in it.

1126
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: The belligerent stance taken by the wide Biden White House.

1127
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you may not have those feelings, it may

1128
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: not resonate with you, but it's very clear that for

1129
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: a lot of people, the sense that we are participating

1130
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: in an ethnic cleansing and a genocide, it's a pretty

1131
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: searing political moment. And so I think that the you know,

1132
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: the Biden White House assumption that people are just going

1133
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 1: to move on and they're not going to care about

1134
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: this in a little while and it's no big deal, and.

1135
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 3: The poll numbers would bounced back up. I don't see it.

1136
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 2: Maybe again, I mean, it's not my job to convince

1137
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 2: them to vote for Biden or not. I you know,

1138
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 2: probably want the other wise. So my whole thing with

1139
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 2: it would be I just don't want to overstate whenever,

1140
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, we're not talking about

1141
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: something which is not directly impactful in the way that

1142
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: Iraq was.

1143
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 5: Now.

1144
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 2: Tensions may be hind now, but as you said, like

1145
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 2: are they really going to be there a year from now?

1146
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 2: It's possible that we could have a ceasefire, you know,

1147
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: some sort of hostage release in the interim. People say

1148
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: all kinds of things. So will they really forget that

1149
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 2: the most reliable thing that we've seen so far with

1150
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 2: Democratic voters is abortion and the Trump boogeyman. Both are

1151
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 2: going to be on the table. I find it very

1152
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 2: difficult to believe that they're not going to come out

1153
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 2: and vote against Trump, especially, I mean if you consider

1154
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 2: it too, like, if you're a person who cares so

1155
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 2: much about these IS's just not like Trump is going

1156
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 2: to be all that different. So then you're going to

1157
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 2: get what ten percent of what you want with Biden

1158
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 2: or as opposed to zero percent of what you want

1159
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 2: then And I'm not advocating for this, I'm just saying

1160
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 2: most people, at the end of the day, when they

1161
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: come to the ballot box, that's mostly how they vote.

1162
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 2: That said, I think you might be right in terms

1163
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 2: of not a national movement, but you only need one

1164
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 2: or two people to stay or one or two percent

1165
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 2: of people to stay home, and the entire election changes,

1166
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 2: especially in Michigan. So if I were the Biden campaign,

1167
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 2: to me, it's not a young people problem. I think

1168
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 2: you've got a Michigan problem more than anything else. Of Course,

1169
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: though young people could swing the ballot in Georgia, in

1170
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 2: Arizona or any of these other places too. I could

1171
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: see that.

1172
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it only as you said, it's very

1173
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: likely to be a really close election. It doesn't take

1174
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: that much, you know, of people just stay at home

1175
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: or deciding they're going to vote for one of the

1176
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: third party candidates or something else for it to totally

1177
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: change the direction of this election. Speaking of some of

1178
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: the energy and the you know, really mass protest movement

1179
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: that we've seen across the United States, you had protesters

1180
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: with Jewish Voices for Peace and a number of other

1181
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: activist groups who led a protest outside of the DNC

1182
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: headquarters here in DC while there was a d fundraiser

1183
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: going on.

1184
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 3: And let me show you how.

1185
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: This protest started, so you can see what they were

1186
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: up to, and then we'll show you what happened once

1187
00:56:54,239 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: the cops were it. Go ahead with the first one,

1188
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: so you can see they're in front of the entrances

1189
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: to the DNC. They're singing, there's candlelight vigil. That's what's

1190
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: going on. And then the police show up and this

1191
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: is the scene.

1192
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 8: Take a look.

1193
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 9: Sick got thrown down the stairs.

1194
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: So you can see police coming pretty hot, throwing people

1195
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: down the stairs. You can see someone kind of getting

1196
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: run over there with a bike. They pepper sprayed protesters later,

1197
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: and it's important to keep in mind this is all

1198
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: on video. This is what you know the videos reveal

1199
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: because our competing claims being made at this point, in

1200
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: particular from Democratic congressman and a PAC funding recipient, Brad Sherman,

1201
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. He said claimed that

1202
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: protesters were trying to break into the event. He says

1203
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: was just evacuated from the DNC after pro terrorist, anti

1204
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: Israel protesters grew violent, pepper sprang police officers and attempting

1205
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: to break into the building. Thankful to the police officers

1206
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: who stopped them and for helping me and my colleagues

1207
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: get out safely. He goes on to say, Sager that

1208
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: these protesters want must want Republicans to win. That's the

1209
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: real reason that they're there. Dave Weigel, who is a

1210
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: reporter for the Washington Post, happened to be at this

1211
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: protest and was recording a lot of video to document

1212
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: what actually unfolded there, and I think you have his analysis.

1213
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 2: Of what actually went that's right, So semaphore, Now, so

1214
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 2: remember Sarah moment I first ashtag LUSI a Samnez. That's

1215
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 2: a whole other news cycle arm what I wish we

1216
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 2: were covering anyway. So he says that what overall what

1217
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 2: he saw as a first hand account, that there are

1218
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 2: a lot of inaccurate tweets about protesters, quote storming the

1219
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 2: building or trying to break in based upon what he saw.

1220
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 2: He says that Sherman is wrong. I was outside the building.

1221
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 2: I saw US Capitol Police officer spray protesters with pepper spray,

1222
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 2: not vice versa. It's around one minute mark in a

1223
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 2: video that he has posted. There are quotes, lots of

1224
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 2: cameras there. I just took a few videos because people

1225
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 2: tend to lie about these things. That's kind of what

1226
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 2: is the big dispute right now this morning in Washington,

1227
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 2: where they're trying to storm in or not. And I

1228
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 2: actually do think it matters, because if you're trying to

1229
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 2: storm into a building, that actually justifies as a different

1230
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: level a force as opposed to block an entrance. And

1231
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 2: so what he claims is that the protest was illegal

1232
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 2: civil disobedience. That's true. It wasn't illegal demonstration. The protesters

1233
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 2: had legal observers on the site. Organizers were telling people

1234
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 2: where to move if they didn't want to be arrested.

1235
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 2: But people, including the congressmen who claimed that the protester

1236
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 2: tried to break in, were not being truthful. The false

1237
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: claim that he has seen so far is that cops

1238
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 2: showed up quote in riot gear. If that's actually not true.

1239
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 2: That showed up in those vests as you could see.

1240
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 2: And you and I were discussing this before, which I

1241
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 2: think is the most important context. These are a bunch

1242
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 2: of US Capitol Police officers, not the US sorry, the

1243
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 2: DC Metropolitan Police Department or the Secret Service, who have

1244
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: to deal with protests all the time. These, in fact,

1245
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 2: with how many Jewish protests we've had around this city

1246
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 2: in the last three months or sorry, in the last

1247
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 2: three weeks, dozens, You see any video coming out like

1248
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 2: this outside of the White House or outside anywhere else,

1249
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 2: you know why, because they don't do that. So I

1250
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 2: think what I think happened is that you had a

1251
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 2: lot of Capitol police officers who are getting real finger

1252
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 2: happy with the pepper spray and others post January sixth,

1253
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 2: and they don't want to have any accusation that they

1254
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 2: didn't do anything. They also have very little experience in

1255
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 2: how to actually de escalate a protest and all of that,

1256
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 2: and they decided to do so this is just another

1257
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 2: I also also find it ironic that is a lot

1258
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 2: of people who probably wanted more capital, police funding and

1259
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: all that. It's like, well, here's what you bought. Here's

1260
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 2: a bunch of incompetent cops, as we all found out

1261
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 2: on January sixth itself.

1262
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think you're right.

1263
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: I think they're probably freaked down after January six But yeah, this,

1264
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, the videos.

1265
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 3: Speak for themselves. You can see what the protesters were doing.

1266
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: You may disagree with their purpose, you may disagree with

1267
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: them being in front of the DNC headquarters, but they

1268
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: were not violent.

1269
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 3: There is zero evidence they were pepper Spring cops.

1270
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 2: So there you go, There you go. All right, let's

1271
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 2: get to the misinformation block.

1272
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 1: So we've been working all week to compile just some

1273
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: of the most egregious examples of misinformation that have been

1274
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: spread during this war. Let's go ahead and start where

1275
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: we should with CNN that went on one of these

1276
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: you know, pre approved IDF right alongs. This was in

1277
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: advance of building the case for a rating malchiefa hospital.

1278
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 3: This is at a different hospital, where.

1279
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: They were trying to show how this was being used

1280
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: by Hamas militants to hold hostages, et cetera.

1281
01:01:58,920 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 3: There was one part.

1282
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: Intain killer that caught people's attention. Let's take a look

1283
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: at what CNN had to say.

1284
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:04,479
Speaker 4: This is a golden list.

1285
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 5: Every tail list has his own shift.

1286
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 3: In this room, he says, a guardless that begins October

1287
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 3: seventh ends November three, not long before the hospital was evacuated,

1288
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 3: So a guard list.

1289
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: And you know, they alleged this was a list of

1290
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: the people who were there checking in to record that

1291
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: they were watching the hostages during this time. Except put

1292
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: this up on the screen. People who actually speak and

1293
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: read Arabic revealed that this quote unquote evidence that it

1294
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: says of Hamas using Rentizi Hospital for military purposes, including

1295
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: an alleged list of operative shift holding hostages, is actually

1296
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: just a calendar of days.

1297
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Speaker 3: In the week in Arabic. So sit of an obviously.

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Speaker 2: Pretty big mistake. This is I just don't understand how

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Speaker 2: they can just immediately post the stuff. And one of

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Speaker 2: the things is with the idea, I mean everybody always

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Speaker 2: many people may not realize this. Twenty percent of Israel

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Speaker 2: is Arab they speak Arabic. If you have ever been

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Speaker 2: to Jerusalem. When I was in Jerusalem, I don't speak

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Speaker 2: a damn word of Hebrew. I ordered my food in

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Speaker 2: Arabic because many than people there speak both languages. So presumably,

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Speaker 2: and one of the things the IDF says all the

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Speaker 2: time is they have people embedded with them who do

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Speaker 2: speak Arabic, including Arab Israeli soldiers who are in the IDF.

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Speaker 2: So this is one of those where how do you

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Speaker 2: put this out to the world. That's number one, But

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Speaker 2: two is CNN. You think people from CNN don't speak Arabic,

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Speaker 2: So nobody is CNN, Nobody.

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Speaker 1: In all of you couldn't just still quick check on

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Speaker 1: this one before you put it on air?

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Speaker 2: Come on, come on, right, I mean we have higher

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Speaker 2: editorial standards in that for really, really.

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Speaker 5: We really do.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we make sure, because there is so much of

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Speaker 1: this stuff floating around, we make sure we check it

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Speaker 1: as best we can't possibly can before we put anything

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Speaker 1: on air.

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Speaker 3: And so remember the context here of these.

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Speaker 1: Ride alongs too that we talked about before you know

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Speaker 1: this is the IDF brings you along. You have to

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Speaker 1: vet your footage with them of everything before you put

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Speaker 1: it out to the public, so it's very constrained. It's

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Speaker 1: a very cramped view. Only certain journalists quote unquote, get

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Speaker 1: to go along on these things. So you would think,

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Speaker 1: in that context of knowing that you're basically being used

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Speaker 1: for war propaganda, that you would be extra careful about

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Speaker 1: what you brought to air. But nope, not so much.

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Speaker 1: Got another one for you. This is a video that

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Speaker 1: was making the rounds that purportedly showed a nurse inside

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Speaker 1: of Al Shifa making some extraordinary claims.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a look at this one.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I can believe I'm doing this, but the world

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Speaker 7: has to know, has to know what Hamas is making here,

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Speaker 7: taking over.

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Speaker 10: The entire hospital. They're taking over the fuel, the medicine.

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Speaker 4: I have nothing to treat with you.

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Speaker 1: So she's saying, they're you know, Hamas, they're stealing the medicine.

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Speaker 3: She's very afraid.

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Speaker 1: Well, it comes down that people at the hospital say,

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Speaker 1: they've never seen this lady before, they have no idea

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Speaker 1: who she is, and she is their soccer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a bit of a little bit of a problem. Although,

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Speaker 2: as you pointed out, and this is a great example,

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Speaker 2: put this one up there on the screen, then people

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Speaker 2: who were trying to dox her were saying, look, this

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Speaker 2: is so and so the Israeli TV actress and digital

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Speaker 2: content creator, that's actually not her. And so there's like

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Speaker 2: these there are constant information wars that are online where

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Speaker 2: they're doxing someone who they claim to have been the actress.

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Speaker 2: It's actually not the actress, if it was even an actress.

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Speaker 2: And then you have the person there it says, oh, well, everybody,

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Speaker 2: nobody in the hospital has even seen this person before.

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Speaker 2: Same thing with the CNN report. You have multiple layers

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Speaker 2: of editorial screw ups where they broadcast something which is

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Speaker 2: obviously false to anybody who speaks Arabic. And I think

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Speaker 2: people just should appreciate how difficult it is. And you know,

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Speaker 2: it does vindicate a lot of what we do here

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Speaker 2: where you know, the amount of time that we spend

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Speaker 2: and be like, okay, this is one hundred percent, is

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Speaker 2: even eighty percent? Eighty percent is not high enough whenever

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Speaker 2: you're reporting something that is straight up false or not,

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Speaker 2: and you have you know, extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence.

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Speaker 2: And that's the biggest problem I think that we have

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Speaker 2: seen in so much of this that keeps happening. Here's

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Speaker 2: another example. Let's put this one up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: You can see here there is a photo which was

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Speaker 2: going viral which showed a woman in a bombed out

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Speaker 2: house that was on a staircase, and it says wading

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Speaker 2: through the rubble to get all that is left to

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Speaker 2: remind her of our child hashtag Gaza Holocaust. And as

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Speaker 2: a person who points out what a tragedy, except that

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Speaker 2: is a photo from homes in Syria that was bombed

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Speaker 2: by the Assad regime. And that is not even the

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Speaker 2: first time, Crystal that I have seen mistaken photos from

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Speaker 2: the Syrian tragedy, especially because people look so similar, that

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Speaker 2: have then been used in terms of Gazil. So people

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Speaker 2: have got to remember that everything that you're seeing is

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Speaker 2: meant to influence you in some way. That's one of

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Speaker 2: the things we highlighted from day one. If something's in English,

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Speaker 2: it's to target you. If it's an Arabic, it's to

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Speaker 2: speak to the people who speak Arabic. If it's in Hebrew,

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Speaker 2: it's to the people who speak Hebrew. And there are

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Speaker 2: overlapping sometimes interests in that, but they're also wildly diverging ones.

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Speaker 2: And we are all finding that out in real time.

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Speaker 2: I thought Ukraine was bad, but this may actually be.

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Speaker 2: This is I mean, it is probably.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's worse, any doubt that it's worse,

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Speaker 1: because in Ukraine you at least have some journalists.

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Speaker 3: Able to operate.

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Speaker 1: Point the only I mean the number of journal I

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Speaker 1: think it's forty eight journalists who've been killed in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: So the number of journalists you even have remaining in

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Speaker 1: the Gaza strip is very limited, and the only international

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Speaker 1: journalists who are allowed in are like on the IDF

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Speaker 1: ride along, you know, showing whatever it is that the

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Speaker 1: Israeli military from a propaganda perspective, wants to put out.

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Speaker 1: So that's why it's incredibly, incredibly difficult, and why there

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Speaker 1: is so so much lies in so much propaganda. To

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Speaker 1: your point about the English language thing, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: very noteworthy. Part of Israel's pr campaign around their storming

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Speaker 1: of Shifa Hospital was that they we brought medical supplies,

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Speaker 1: and we brought baby food, and they took this picture

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Speaker 1: of these boxes in giant English letters stamped medical supplies

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Speaker 1: as part of this effort. Now, doctors on the ground

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Speaker 1: told some people that they didn't actually get any of

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Speaker 1: those medical supplies.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's true or not, so.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say I don't know, but you can

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Speaker 1: see the way that these things are also staged to

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Speaker 1: try to impact in international audience.

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Speaker 3: I e us.

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Speaker 1: This is let me put this last one that we

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Speaker 1: have for you up on the screen. This is just

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Speaker 1: a sampling. There were many examples we should have shown you.

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Speaker 1: This is Netanyahu spokesperson, so this is not some rando

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. But he says, the Palestinians are fooling the

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Speaker 1: international media and public opinion.

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Speaker 3: Don't fall for it.

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Speaker 1: See for yourselves how they fake injuries and evacuate quote

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Speaker 1: unquote injured civilians all in front of the cameras. Pallywood

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Speaker 1: gets busted again. Pallywood refers to this ongoing conspiracy that

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Speaker 1: actually the horrific shots that you're seeing Palestinians are being

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Speaker 1: killed and maimed and pilled out of the rubble, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: are not actually real, That these are crisis actors, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: That video that he shows there that he purports to

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Speaker 1: reveal the truth about Pollywood, it's the backstage of a

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Speaker 1: short film called The Reality was shot in Lebanon, by

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Speaker 1: Lebanese actors in support of the population of Gaza back

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, and it's already in previous conflicts

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Speaker 1: been used for misinformation as well.

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Speaker 3: But this was, yes, this was actors.

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Speaker 1: Nobody has been using this to claim these are images

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Speaker 1: of Palestinians. And there's other examples of this so called

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Speaker 1: Pollywood theory, which is, you know, an attempt to minimize

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Speaker 1: the civilian death on the ground and pretend link it's

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Speaker 1: not really happening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this Pollywood thing is just totally ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: And there are many examples which we couldn't necessarily confirm

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent, but that one is the best example

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Speaker 2: because it's literally a film that was then repurposed and

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Speaker 2: that was put out there. And this is where I

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Speaker 2: just want to say, caution, caution, caution. We've seen video

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Speaker 2: game footage that's been passed off. We've seen now, you know,

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Speaker 2: the Seerian thing. I've even seen images from Afghanistan that

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Speaker 2: I somehow have and it's very clear when you look

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Speaker 2: at it, you're like, hey, you know that's Afghanistan, right,

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Speaker 2: That's not what Gaza looks like. So many falsehoods, things

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Speaker 2: that are put out there. We have to check. It's

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Speaker 2: a responsibility to put every single thing that they put

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Speaker 2: out there as to whether it's real or not. And

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Speaker 2: then also the caveat properly, because that was actually my

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Speaker 2: biggest problem with the CNN report is anytime you and

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Speaker 2: I put up something from the IDF, we're like, this

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Speaker 2: is from the IDF. Right, we don't know if it's true.

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Speaker 2: This is what they say. You have to caveat and

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Speaker 2: show things properly. It's completely fine to play government information

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Speaker 2: as long as you can textualize it properly. But you

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Speaker 2: can't say that we've independently verified something or imply that

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Speaker 2: and put it on your eric. That's where it I

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Speaker 2: think becomes most irresponsible. And this is also the danger

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Speaker 2: of a Twitter and citizen journalism and all that. I'm

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Speaker 2: pro citizen journalism, I am against censorship. I don't think

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Speaker 2: any of these people should be censored or any of that.

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Speaker 2: I just though, because I weighed in this ecosystem, and

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Speaker 2: I guess have for a while ever since the beginning

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Speaker 2: isis is I'm just used to the idea of like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it could be totally false and you got to wait

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Speaker 2: a little while. You never know whether something is real

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Speaker 2: or not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're in the midst of finding out if

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Speaker 1: the Al Shifa command no Doctor evil lair underneath was

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Speaker 1: also misinformation.

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Speaker 3: So we'll see. We'll see, and we'll vet that evidence

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Speaker 3: as best.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, it will be properly vetted. Okay, let's go

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Speaker 2: to Nicki Haley and speaking of what censorship and anonymity

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Speaker 2: and citizen journalism and so much more. Nikki Haley surprising

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Speaker 2: absolutely no one, but also having a very mask off

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Speaker 2: moment in which she advocates for no anonymity online and

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Speaker 2: to kill all Sudan nimous accounts. Let's take a lesson.

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Speaker 10: When I get into office. The first thing we have

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Speaker 10: to do social media accounts, social media companies. They have

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Speaker 10: to show America their algorithms. Let us see why they're

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Speaker 10: pushing what they're pushing. The second thing is every person

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Speaker 10: on social media should be verified by their name. That's

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Speaker 10: first of all, it's a national security threat. When you

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Speaker 10: do that, all of a sudden, people have to stand

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Speaker 10: by what they say, and it gets rid of the

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Speaker 10: Russian bots, the Iranian bots, and the Chinese bots, and

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Speaker 10: then you're going to get some civility when people know

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Speaker 10: their name is next to what they say accountabuilt, and

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Speaker 10: they know their pastor and their family members going to

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Speaker 10: see it. It's going to help our kids, and it's

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Speaker 10: going to help our country.

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Speaker 2: It's going to help our kids, and it's going to

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Speaker 2: help our country. To have no pseudonymity online online is

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Speaker 2: one of the most important values actually that the Internet

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Speaker 2: ever promised us. It is really what led to anonymous

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Speaker 2: It led to so many of it. Lets you so

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Speaker 2: many like whistleblowers and other revelations that have come out,

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Speaker 2: but at a baseline, like more important level, the ability

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Speaker 2: to ship post about the government is one of the

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Speaker 2: most important ones. That goes back to the founding fathers,

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Speaker 2: from the Federalist papers, from to Thomas Paine to so

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Speaker 2: much more. We demand and must have the right to

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01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 2: anonymously criticize anyone. And I'm very much in favor of that.

1511
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,679
Speaker 2: Are like, oh, it's cowardly and all of that. Yeah,

1512
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 2: sometimes sometimes it is that said. You know, the principle

1513
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 2: of it itself is so important that it is almost

1514
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,759
Speaker 2: directly inner timed with free speech. So they have somebody

1515
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 2: that who wants to be president of the United States

1516
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 2: say something which is dramatically really Orwellian when you think

1517
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 2: of oh yeah, and it goes against the way that

1518
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 2: the internet should work is outrageous. Now we're not the

1519
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 2: first people to say that now at this point, but

1520
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,600
Speaker 2: it fits within a pattern in a worldview that she

1521
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,879
Speaker 2: directly advocates for, which is the supremacy of the American

1522
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 2: government to the point where it triumphs individual liberty, but

1523
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 2: also where triumphs, you know, sovereignty of other nations. It

1524
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 2: fits neatly with the Neokon worldview.

1525
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I mean, it's an authoritarian instinct, that's really

1526
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 1: what it is. I think Orwellian is also well said.

1527
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 1: But it's like she argues that we need this in

1528
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: the interest of civility and decorum. We need to trample

1529
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 1: on like the basic rights of American citizens to dissent,

1530
01:13:56,840 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: just in the interest of like keeping things a little nicer.

1531
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 1: And that's the kind of rationalization that leads to just

1532
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 1: like overt police state type actions. So glad to see

1533
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: that even some of her Republican competitor SAGA were not

1534
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 1: having this.

1535
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 2: One, right. Yeah, it was nice. It was nice that said.

1536
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 2: It was really just Viveke Ramaswami, who came out calling

1537
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,640
Speaker 2: her out. Then Ron DeSantis and everybody decided to pilot.

1538
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 3: Once once they saw it was safe.

1539
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 2: Exactly, Yes, it became safe. And the thing is, though,

1540
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 2: is that Haley is now doubling down on this, you know,

1541
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 2: victimhood mindset and others. Probably why she's against anonymities because

1542
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,639
Speaker 2: she saw like one tweet this was shee Onhead's joke

1543
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 2: that actually criticized her. And here she is on the

1544
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 2: Ruthless podcast where she says that Vivek only attacked her

1545
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 2: because she's a woman. Let's take a listen.

1546
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:48,560
Speaker 10: He comes out of the gate, he hits the female

1547
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 10: chair of the party, he hits the female anchor on

1548
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 10: the platform, and then he hits me.

1549
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying anything saying.

1550
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 2: I'm just saying he might have a problem.

1551
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 3: I'm just saying he might have a girl.

1552
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 2: He might have a girl problem. So when she says

1553
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 2: the female wing of the party, she means the RNC chairwoman.

1554
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:12,440
Speaker 2: So are you not supposed to criticize the RNSY chairwoman

1555
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 2: because she's a woman. And then you're not also supposed

1556
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 2: to criticize two women in a row, even though you

1557
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 2: were running against one. And he didn't say anything sexist.

1558
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 2: I watched it all live. Yeah, if it's a criticism

1559
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 2: of her ability to do the job.

1560
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 1: And this is, by the way he clarified with us

1561
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: he was talking about her and ron de.

1562
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 2: Say heels, yeah, Heels doesn't even it was gender neutral

1563
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 2: in terms of its ability here, So what are we

1564
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 2: doing here? I mean, I look, the Nikky thing for

1565
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,879
Speaker 2: me is a real rar shocked test. It's like, you

1566
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 2: either find her more. And I'm talking more for people

1567
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 2: on the right because I it's all his pearl clutching

1568
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 2: over attacking Nikki Heley another and I'm like, you know what,

1569
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 2: For me, it's simple, it's like you either hate Nikki

1570
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,600
Speaker 2: or you hate someone like the vague now is a

1571
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 2: vegan little bit ambitious? Is he a little bit what

1572
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 2: try hard? I guess is right? Yeah? Sure that said,

1573
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:08,879
Speaker 2: I'm going to take it every goddamn day over somebody

1574
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 2: like Nicki Haley.

1575
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 3: For people who don't like both of them.

1576
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're not. You're not. You don't have to

1577
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 2: choose between. I'm saying as somebody who's like I guess

1578
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 2: someone involved in this, I'm just like Nikki to me,

1579
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 2: like she represents the enemy. In every possible like aspect

1580
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 2: of that word of everything that in the party, even

1581
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,679
Speaker 2: in America, really that needs to go and die a death.

1582
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 2: And so when I watched they give it to her,

1583
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:33,640
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it a lot. And it

1584
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 2: was just interesting though to me to see how much

1585
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 2: of the pearl clutching that occurred around like, oh, we

1586
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 2: can't attack her, oh her daughter, Oh as f her daughter.

1587
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,879
Speaker 2: It is not an important point when we're talking about TikTok.

1588
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 2: It's like they want to use all of the things

1589
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 2: that they criticize the left for to then defend themselves

1590
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 2: whenever they're in the in the actual critics chair. That's

1591
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 2: what bothers.

1592
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: Well, she can call him scum exactly, thank you. Yeah,

1593
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: but he can't raise an entire highly legitimate point about

1594
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 1: potential hypocrisy given that now she postures is all anti TikTok,

1595
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 1: but her own daughter is on TikTok.

1596
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 2: That's a good point.

1597
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 3: That's not going after your daughter. That's making a.

1598
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 1: Point about you and whether you actually mean anything that

1599
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 1: you're saying, So that is beyond the pale.

1600
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 3: But her calling you.

1601
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 1: Scum just complete ad homin an attack. I think that's

1602
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: very anti Indian of her. That's what I think. That's

1603
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: what I think. She's a self hating Indian. That's what

1604
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 1: I think Saga based in those comments.

1605
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 2: There's something I'm not gonna I'm not gonna bear, ye one,

1606
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 2: how us in the Indian community feel about her.

1607
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 1: The other thing, though, is they these people love their

1608
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:40,959
Speaker 1: identity politics when it suits them, no, when it's convenient,

1609
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,719
Speaker 1: and she's always been one. Remember in her opening speech,

1610
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: it was all bio. It was all about her being

1611
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 1: like a trailblazer. She may not have used that word,

1612
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: but it was, you know, very like gendered her opening speech.

1613
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 1: And then she'd thrown a line of like, of course

1614
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 1: we're against identity politics, but also I'm a woman and

1615
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:00,600
Speaker 1: look at my heels and I'm not kicking soays or

1616
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 1: forwards or whatever the hell she said. And I mean,

1617
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 1: you also see it very much in the debate over Israel,

1618
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: and suddenly you know the concern about anti Semitism, when

1619
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 1: of course there were a million like anti Semitic incidents

1620
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 1: that they didn't care about before, but now when it

1621
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 1: comes to Israel, suddenly it's all of the safety language

1622
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: and all of the like identity language that had been

1623
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 1: used by the most annoying college kids on the left

1624
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: suddenly is being used here as well, and Nikki is

1625
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: chief among those in that category.

1626
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 3: Two.

1627
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, when it suits them, they love to trot

1628
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 1: out identity politics just as much as the Democrats.

1629
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know, someone made a good point

1630
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 2: which is as objectionable as this all should be. You know,

1631
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 2: it's really only people who are online who should care.

1632
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,679
Speaker 2: This is why Nikki Hayley is a terrible actual nominee

1633
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 2: for the Republican Party. Because here's what she said just

1634
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 2: yesterday when she was asked about the retirement age. Let's

1635
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 2: take a listen.

1636
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 3: Are you on board with cutting entitlements in a big

1637
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 3: and mean for way.

1638
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 10: Social Security goes bankrupt in ten years, Medicare goes bankrupt

1639
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 10: in eight Anyone that says they're not going to take

1640
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 10: on entitlement reform, they're going to go in and be

1641
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:02,520
Speaker 10: president and leave the country bankrupt.

1642
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 3: You can't do that.

1643
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 10: Yes, we have to do entitlement reform, but that doesn't

1644
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 10: mean you touch anyone that's in the system. We should

1645
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 10: keep our promises. America should always keep her promises. But

1646
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 10: for everybody coming into the system, like my kids in

1647
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 10: their twenties.

1648
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 3: You change it.

1649
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 10: You say, we're going to raise the retirement age to

1650
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 10: reflect life expectancy. We're no longer going to do cost

1651
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 10: of living increases. We're going to do increases based on inflation.

1652
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 10: We're going to limit the benefits on the wealthy, and

1653
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 10: we're going to expand Medicare advantage plans so that we

1654
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 10: have more competition. We have to start looking at a

1655
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 10: common sense way to do it without hurting people. But

1656
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 10: our kids know they're not going to get it.

1657
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that is a better example of why she's

1658
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 2: so unelectable as opposed as to despite all of the

1659
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 2: comments and other from her team, it's just she's the

1660
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 2: worst as as far as it runs the gamut for

1661
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 2: Republican politicians. So anyway, I'm at very least glad to

1662
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 2: see that people are recognizing how awful it is with

1663
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 2: those anonymity comments. We could have told you that all though,

1664
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 2: long long before as she opened her mind.

1665
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,639
Speaker 1: I have an alternate theory about where the idea came from,

1666
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 1: because everything with Nikki Haley is calibrated for like, what

1667
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 1: is a room full of billionaire donors kind of think

1668
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 1: these CEOs, they're so fragile. Some they think it's disgraceful

1669
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: that some anonymous peon online can come on and criticize them.

1670
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 1: So I have no doubt when she workshopped that at

1671
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: some big dollar fundraiser, they all thought she was the

1672
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 1: greatest thing ever, is the most brilliant idea of all time,

1673
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: and then she trots it out to the American public

1674
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 1: to everyone's absolute horror at what she's Legitimately, I.

1675
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 2: Had not put that together, but you were absolutely right.

1676
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:35,680
Speaker 2: It's like, just suck it up, you know, and deal

1677
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:37,640
Speaker 2: with the annoying comments. You have a billion dollars, What

1678
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 2: do you care? Or don't work? Yeah, don't worr, don't

1679
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:42,599
Speaker 2: work to all right? Next part, Candace Owens, Oh man,

1680
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 2: I was licking my chops. I guess waiting for Candace's

1681
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,799
Speaker 2: response kind of points you a good job covering yesterday.

1682
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 2: Ben Shapiro on video calling Candace's position on Israel, quote disgraceful.

1683
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 2: Candace now appearing with Tucker Carlson in on his X show,

1684
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 2: I guess you should say yesterday, responding directly to Ben,

1685
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:02,799
Speaker 2: here's what she had to say.

1686
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 11: Quote absolutely disgraceful, particularly a coworker. Seems like a pretty

1687
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 11: big step. And I really don't know the background here.

1688
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:09,520
Speaker 11: What is that about?

1689
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 9: You know, there isn't much of a background. I saw

1690
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 9: the video when everybody else saw it. When I woke up.

1691
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 2: No one warned you about it.

1692
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 9: Nobody wondered me about it. It looks like maybe he

1693
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 9: didn't know he was being recorded. They'll say it was

1694
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:22,839
Speaker 9: some sort of a private event. I got no clarity

1695
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 9: on the issue that he was particularly speaking on and

1696
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 9: in what was said. I also, I can't respond to

1697
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,799
Speaker 9: it beyond what he's saying because it's just at homin attacks.

1698
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 11: I don't know, because it's not you know, we disagree

1699
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 11: or you know, I don't think she's correct or mabe,

1700
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 11: she just know what you're talking about.

1701
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 2: It's absolutely disgraceful.

1702
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

1703
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 9: And so I can't respond to it on a level

1704
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 9: of intellect because there's nothing that he has expressed in that,

1705
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:49,879
Speaker 9: at least in that short clip that he fundamentally disagrees

1706
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 9: with in terms of what I said. But I will

1707
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 9: say that I'm not going to respond with the same

1708
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 9: at holbmin attacks, and I don't think it helps further discussion.

1709
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 9: And if that was me that was caught on a

1710
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 9: video of saying that about colleagues that I work with,

1711
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 9: I would be embarrassed. So I think that the video

1712
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 9: speaks more to Ben's character that it speaks to mine.

1713
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:09,719
Speaker 2: Does he text you to apologize or explain or anything.

1714
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 9: No, What tends to happen is, of course we all

1715
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 9: have elements of selfishness within us, and so when it

1716
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:18,680
Speaker 9: particularly pertains to an issue that impacts you. I was

1717
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 9: strongly speaking out against Black Lives Matter as an organization

1718
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 9: very early on as a conservative, because I understood what

1719
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 9: the implications were going to be a defunding the police.

1720
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 2: It was issue that was important to me.

1721
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Speaker 9: I created an entire documentary to talk about this issue,

1722
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 9: and I held on for a long time, and people

1723
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 9: began to see that actually I was telling the truth.

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01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 9: And now we have more death in inner city communities

1725
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 9: than we had before these riots and these George Floyd

1726
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:41,679
Speaker 9: protests calling for defunding of the police, and I think

1727
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 9: in terms of this, that's what's also happened is that

1728
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 9: people that.

1729
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:47,520
Speaker 2: Are pro Israel are pro Israel.

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Speaker 9: A lot of them because they have family members and

1731
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 9: they have homes in Israel, and so they feel very

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01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:54,639
Speaker 9: attached to this issue, and you know, I was very

1733
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 9: happy to host somebody who was pro Israel. He's a

1734
01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 9: pro Israel comedian on my show the other day. I

1735
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 9: explained this to him. I said, you are demanding that

1736
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 9: we have this same response that you are having about

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01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 9: what people are saying on college campuses. The rhetoric on

1738
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 9: college campuses hasn't changed. Did you not remember what they

1739
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 9: were saying? But professors were saying the anti white explicit

1740
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 9: racism that was happening and not even just allowed in

1741
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 9: terms of student protests, but was written into the curriculum.

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Speaker 2: So I actually think that was very illuminating. She called

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01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,720
Speaker 2: out Ben also on Twitter. Actually, well, I guess it

1744
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 2: depends who do you think struck first. I'm going to

1745
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 2: say Ben struck first. Candice then responded where she put

1746
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 2: out I think it was a quote from scripture where

1747
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 2: she talked about like blessed be the peacekeepers. Because that's

1748
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 2: really she's had a different view of all this. Let's

1749
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 2: put that up there on the screen. That was her

1750
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 2: initial response that came after the video that came out.

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01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 2: She says, you cannot serve both God and money. No

1752
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:51,680
Speaker 2: one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the

1753
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 2: one and love the other. Way you will be devoted

1754
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 2: to one and despise the other. Now, let's put the

1755
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 2: response please up there on the screen. Ben Shapiro. Then

1756
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:03,879
Speaker 2: last night, shortly before the Tucker Carlson clip debut, says Candace,

1757
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 2: if you feel that taking money from the Daily Wire

1758
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:10,639
Speaker 2: somehow comes between you and God, by all means quit

1759
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 2: and then let's put this up there. She went ahead

1760
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 2: and responded, and she says, you are utterly out of

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01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 2: line for suggesting I cannot quote biblical scripture. The Bible

1762
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:26,480
Speaker 2: is not about you. She also Christal responded to Shapiro,

1763
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:30,600
Speaker 2: where she said that his behavior had been unhinged and

1764
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 2: unprofessional over the last few weeks and that the rest

1765
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 2: of the Daily Wire crew all had to grapple with that.

1766
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 2: So I'll just put my allegiances and make them very clear.

1767
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:44,719
Speaker 2: I'm team Candace here for a variety of reasons. Number

1768
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 2: one is Shapiro owns half a portion of the Daily Wire.

1769
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 2: You cannot trash your employee or somebody who works for

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01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 2: you publicly and then expect, like expect to have a

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01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 2: civil working relationship. That's an insan saying thing to do.

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01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 2: If you don't want her to say that, and you

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01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 2: think it's quote unquote disgraceful, then fire or shut up

1774
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 2: because you are the co owner of this company and

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01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 2: you know that you're on video. I think he knew

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01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 2: that he was being recorded when all of that happened.

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01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 2: And then second, why are we then dragging things out

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01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 2: onto Twitter? You know, pick up the phone man, have

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01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 2: a text with something, you know, between people. You cannot

1780
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 2: be hashing out this back and forth nonsense, all in public.

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01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 2: So there's a variety of things. This is all even

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01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 2: post the actual view of the conflict, where I'm far,

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01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 2: far more aligned. I'm probably the most aligned with Canvas

1784
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 2: of any of the Republican commentators out there than anybody else.

1785
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 2: And it's crazy that that's somehow like out of bounds

1786
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,600
Speaker 2: or anathema over at the Daily Wire. So there's a

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01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 2: lot free speech hypocrisy. There's a basic like managerial issue

1788
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 2: here that I, you know, really find troubling. You know,

1789
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 2: you and I we have people who work for us

1790
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 2: like you can't treat people like that who work for you.

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01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 2: It's crazy. So there's a variety of issues that are

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01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 2: happening here of unprofessionalism and on the content side that

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01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 2: I'm pretty annoyed by.

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01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 1: Well, and Candace has said all kinds of wild and

1795
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 1: controversial things in the past, and that's fine, that was fine.

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01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 1: That didn't cause this exactly, And it's only when she

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01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 1: criticizes Israel, which has been clearly like very personal for him. Look,

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01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 1: I understand that in terms of his identity, although you know,

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01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 1: he also claims he doesn't care about identity politics.

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Speaker 3: Put that one aside. But that's the line.

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01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 1: And I think in particular, one of the things that

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01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 1: I zeroed in on is there's all this safetyism language

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01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,720
Speaker 1: coming from the right around quote unquote anti Semitism.

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01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 3: Well, what they really are.

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01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 1: Objecting to is any sort of criticism of Israel which

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01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 1: is not anti Semitism. Now I'm not saying there's no

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01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 1: anti Semitic rhetoric out there associated with you know, critique

1808
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 1: of Israel, of course there is. But where they really

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01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 1: draw the line is any kind of critique of the

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01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,680
Speaker 1: state of Israel. And the reason why it comes out

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01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 1: really clearly here is your calls. Candice had this line

1812
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 1: about Hitler that was roundly condemned. Previously, she said, if

1813
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 1: Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things

1814
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:11,760
Speaker 1: run well, okay fine. When asked about the word nationalism,

1815
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 1: she went on to say, the problem is he had

1816
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 1: dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalize, he wanted

1817
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 1: everybody to be German. There was apparently no issue with

1818
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:26,440
Speaker 1: that comment and the potentially anti Semitic connotations of it.

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01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:27,719
Speaker 3: It's only when.

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01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 1: There's a criticism of Israel that is the line is

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01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:33,720
Speaker 1: really drawn. And we've seen that with a lot of

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01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 1: the you know, just staunchly pro Israel parts of the

1823
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:39,719
Speaker 1: Republican Party. Like it wasn't very long ago Donald Trump

1824
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 1: was having dinner with now a vowed Nazi, Kanye West.

1825
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 3: And everyone was like, well, you know, what are you

1826
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 3: going to do?

1827
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 1: There was some condemnation, there was some criticism, but it

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01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 1: wasn't this hard line as when you actually Trump got

1829
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 1: I would say, with the right in more trouble. For

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01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 1: Darren criticized Nen Yahoo at the beginning of this conflict.

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01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 1: That was more of a conflagration among the right. Then

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01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,719
Speaker 1: you know, actually getting together with Nick Fuentez and Kanye

1833
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 1: West at that period in time.

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Speaker 2: That's a great point.

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Speaker 1: So the critique here, the care isn't really about anti Semitism.

1836
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 1: It's trying to stop and block any sort of critique

1837
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 1: of the State of Israel, to tar anyone who has

1838
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 1: a critique of the State of Israel, of the net

1839
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:25,639
Speaker 1: Yahoo government, of their policies, of the way this war

1840
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 1: is being conducted as an anti Semite to try to

1841
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 1: push it off the table.

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01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 3: And that to me, like becomes very clear here.

1843
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. I mean the Charlie Kirk point that she

1844
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 2: made is amazing, and the amount of hatred that he

1845
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 2: received for being like, hey, was there a standown order?

1846
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 2: Like what's going on? And what's crazy to me is

1847
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 2: immediately afterwards I saw even more pro Israel fanatics being

1848
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 2: like Candice is promoting the stand down conspiracy. I'm like, well,

1849
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:51,240
Speaker 2: first of all, it's only in conspiracy if it isn't

1850
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:54,720
Speaker 2: very plausible. It's actually very plausible that something like that

1851
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:56,799
Speaker 2: could have occurred. Now, I don't know what the evidence

1852
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 2: in all that is. You know why, because there hasn't

1853
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 2: been an investigation or even an Eleventh Commission or any

1854
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 2: of the October seventh Commission, any of that. Because Nett

1855
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 2: Donyahu doesn't want to get into any of that. I

1856
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 2: would love to know about what the security failures that

1857
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 2: went into October seven. But even then, why is it

1858
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:14,600
Speaker 2: implausible and a conspiracy to suggest otherwise? Why is it

1859
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 2: crazy to ask an entirely legitimate question. And that's really

1860
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 2: what they're demanding. They're demanding complete fealty at the end

1861
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 2: of the day to a foreign government. And if you're Israeli,

1862
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 2: that's completely fine. But if you're American and you're trying

1863
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:31,639
Speaker 2: to get other Americans to have that same level of fealty,

1864
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 2: now we're in a whole other realm of discourse. Now

1865
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 2: we're fulfilling the tropes of dual loyalty of which they

1866
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 2: claimed were anti Semitics. So you can't have it both ways.

1867
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 2: We get to say and ask questions and do whatever

1868
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 2: we want here in this country, you do what you

1869
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 2: want in yours. And yet they're trying to have some

1870
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 2: sort of bridge between the two where they get to

1871
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:55,599
Speaker 2: both claim anti semitism and then at the same time

1872
01:29:55,920 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 2: basically demand like complete validation of the Israeli go government's

1873
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 2: narrative right about what's going on. So anyway, as I said,

1874
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 2: I stand with Candas one hundred percent on this. I

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01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 2: actually think she's been a pretty good voice for a

1876
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 2: lot of this, and it's probably mainstreaming ideas to the

1877
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 2: Daily Wire audience, so they never would have had before

1878
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 2: heard before. So to that extent, I actually think it's

1879
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 2: important that she stay at the day.

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01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:16,800
Speaker 3: I haven't heard everything she says.

1881
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm not going to co sign it, but I appreciate

1882
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:21,559
Speaker 1: that there are some dissenting voices. I saw her critical

1883
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 1: of genocide on Twitter. Appreciate that too, But I do

1884
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:28,639
Speaker 1: think it's worth pointing out. I believe the Tucker interview

1885
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,639
Speaker 1: was recorded before the latest back and forth on Twitter, right,

1886
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:35,719
Speaker 1: so you know she was responding just to Ben's leaked

1887
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 1: comments about her, you know, positions on Israel. So I

1888
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 1: think this saga has more chapters two unfold.

1889
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I'll enjoy it. I'll enjoy watching it.

1890
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:48,719
Speaker 1: All Right, guys, we've got a presidential candidate, Dean Phillip

1891
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 1: standing by.

1892
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:49,840
Speaker 3: Let's get to it.

1893
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 1: Honor to be joined this morning by Congressman Dean Phillipsy

1894
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:57,759
Speaker 1: is not only a member of the United States Congress,

1895
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 1: but also a candidate for president and also, event to

1896
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:04,080
Speaker 1: current News, ranking member of the Middle East Subcommittee on

1897
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 1: House Foreign Affairs.

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01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 3: Great to have you, Commerson, Great to be with your Crystal.

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01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:09,720
Speaker 1: All right, so you got a little bit of good

1900
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 1: news for your campaign recently. Let's put this poll up

1901
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:14,719
Speaker 1: on the screen in New Hampshire. Now there's a strange

1902
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 1: situation unfolding in New Hampshire. Biden won't actually be on

1903
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,640
Speaker 1: the ballot. So they for once asked a question that

1904
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:22,760
Speaker 1: is useful in the state of New Hampshire, which is, Okay,

1905
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 1: if Biden's not there and you got to write him in,

1906
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:26,559
Speaker 1: who are you going to vote for? And you got

1907
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:28,680
Speaker 1: Biden still leading a twenty seven percent, but you're in

1908
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 1: second there fifteen percent, Maryan Williamson at ten percent, and

1909
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:34,640
Speaker 1: then you've got someone else undefined at five percent and

1910
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 1: undecided at forty four percent. So just tell us, Congressman,

1911
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 1: a little bit about why you decided to run and

1912
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 1: what you think your past.

1913
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 3: To victory is.

1914
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 12: Well, Chrystal, Yeah, that's Those are the numbers that don't

1915
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 12: like politicians and spinsters and politicos love to mislead and misdirect.

1916
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 12: And the fact is seventy three percent of New Hampshire

1917
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:57,559
Speaker 12: Democratic voters wants somebody different than the president. And I'm

1918
01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 12: not here to condemn him. I respect him. He was

1919
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 12: the only one I think that could have beaten Donald

1920
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 12: Trump in twenty twenty and sadly, he's probably the only

1921
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,680
Speaker 12: moderate Democrat in the entire country who is probably going

1922
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 12: to lose to him in twenty twenty four unless we

1923
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 12: course correct. So my campaign and I were hoping to

1924
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 12: be at fifteen percent in about six weeks.

1925
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:16,760
Speaker 5: It took two.

1926
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 12: And I think this is just a microcosm of how

1927
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:21,679
Speaker 12: the entire country is feeling. And the best thing about

1928
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 12: this campaign is getting out and listening to people. Having

1929
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:27,559
Speaker 12: been in Congress for five years now, I understand how

1930
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:31,680
Speaker 12: quickly people in Washington completely loose touch with reality, keep

1931
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 12: fighting one another instead of fighting for Americans all over

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01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 12: the place, and we have a crisis at home abroad.

1933
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Speaker 12: It's time for change, and I think those numbers reflect

1934
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Speaker 12: exactly where people are at.

1935
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Speaker 1: Connerson, I wonder if you can help solve a mystery

1936
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Speaker 1: for me, because we've all seen the polls of overwhelming

1937
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:50,759
Speaker 1: majority Democrats who say they want other choices than Biden,

1938
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 1: many people, oftentimes the majority, saying that actually wish Biden

1939
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 1: would step aside. These are Democratic voters, and yet when

1940
01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 1: you offer them actual choices, they mostly are still with

1941
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:00,840
Speaker 1: Joe Biden.

1942
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Speaker 3: So why do you think that that is well?

1943
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Speaker 12: Right now, there aren't many choices, and I think part

1944
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Speaker 12: of the beautiful part of campaigning, the greatest part of democracy,

1945
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 12: is that when you afford voters choices, introduce yourself, answer

1946
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 12: their question, stand in front of them, take the heat,

1947
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Speaker 12: take the criticism, listen to their ideas.

1948
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Speaker 5: It's amazing what can happen.

1949
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Speaker 12: Some of the greatest successes in political history started exactly,

1950
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 12: in fact, lower than where I am right now, far lower,

1951
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 12: and that's true of our recent political history. So when

1952
01:33:29,320 --> 01:33:31,799
Speaker 12: people are introduced to options, and by the way, Cristil,

1953
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:35,480
Speaker 12: I've been calling on other Democrats to enter the primary

1954
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 12: because that's how we do things in America. There are

1955
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 12: only four people right now, in my estimation, that will

1956
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:42,519
Speaker 12: make it easier for Donald Trump to return to the

1957
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 12: White House. That's Cornell West, That's Jill Stein, That's Joe

1958
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 12: Manchin if he runs as an independent, and that's President Biden.

1959
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 12: Those are the only ones that literally are making it

1960
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:54,599
Speaker 12: easier for Donald Trump. I wish moret it would enter.

1961
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:57,639
Speaker 12: If American voters have choices, they will choose the best

1962
01:33:57,680 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 12: candidate position to win. And I tend that to be me.

1963
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 12: Someone had to do it, and now I'm in it

1964
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Speaker 12: to win it, and I'll make that case by listening.

1965
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Speaker 5: And I can't wait to get on the road.

1966
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Speaker 1: Connorson, you recently apologized to Bernie Sanders for doubting what

1967
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 1: he had said about the DNC ringing the primary process.

1968
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 3: What have you seen?

1969
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:19,599
Speaker 12: Well, first of all, Crystal, I've been on the campaign

1970
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 12: trail now for just under three weeks, and I'm fifty

1971
01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:25,600
Speaker 12: four years old, and i can tell everybody listening that

1972
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:28,759
Speaker 12: it's never too late to learn and to understand something

1973
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:31,559
Speaker 12: you may not have seen, or use a new lens

1974
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 12: to view the world. And one of them is I

1975
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:36,559
Speaker 12: used to think Bernie Sanders was a sore loser when

1976
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:38,760
Speaker 12: he was saying the system was rigged, that the Democratic

1977
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:42,800
Speaker 12: National Committee used coren nations and not competitions. And I'll

1978
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 12: tell you after three weeks, Crystal, I can say that

1979
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 12: he's right. And my apology was literal to him and

1980
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:50,920
Speaker 12: to all the people that supported Bernie, all the people

1981
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:53,880
Speaker 12: that have known for some time that this duopoly, this

1982
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:58,920
Speaker 12: political industrial complex is actually making democracy harder to execute.

1983
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 12: Their suppressing voters, they're suppressing candidates, and they're suppressing debate

1984
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 12: the three legs of the democratic stool.

1985
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Speaker 5: With a small D.

1986
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:09,679
Speaker 12: And I mean it when I say that I'm sorry, Bernie.

1987
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 12: I mean it because he was right. And I'm on

1988
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 12: a mission to expose the truth, to shine light on

1989
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:17,160
Speaker 12: the corruption and the fact that I think both major

1990
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:20,639
Speaker 12: parties right now are a significant part of the problem

1991
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:22,839
Speaker 12: and why we're in this terrible crisis.

1992
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:25,560
Speaker 1: All right, So let's talk a little bit about majority

1993
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 1: opinion and consensus and democracy when it comes to Israel.

1994
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Speaker 1: Let's put this new pull up on the screen from

1995
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:34,479
Speaker 1: Reuters just came out yesterday, I believe found that sixty

1996
01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 1: eight percent of all respondents support a ceasefire. That includes

1997
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:41,760
Speaker 1: three quarters of Democrats. Congressman, as I'm sure you know,

1998
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:44,040
Speaker 1: at this point, you've had one in every two hundred

1999
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 1: Palestinians in Gaza who have been killed. You've had more

2000
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 1: than four thousand children killed in this conflict. I'm wondering

2001
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 1: if you will join thirty one of your colleagues in

2002
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 1: Congress and the overwhelming majority of Americans, especially Democrats, today

2003
01:35:57,200 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 1: and call for a ceasefire.

2004
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:00,879
Speaker 5: So Christal, let me start.

2005
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:02,639
Speaker 12: I'll build a very fast art for you and get

2006
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 12: to the question you're asking first, which is the generational

2007
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:08,240
Speaker 12: change that we need. This is an example of what

2008
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:10,679
Speaker 12: happens when people doing the same things in the same

2009
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:13,479
Speaker 12: way for fifty years, and I include President Biden in this,

2010
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 12: have generated the results that we see right now, war

2011
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 12: in Eastern Europe, horrifying bloodshed in the Middle East.

2012
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 5: I'm fifty four.

2013
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:26,759
Speaker 12: I've been witnessing this my entire life, the cycle of violence,

2014
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:29,120
Speaker 12: the cycle of misery, the loss of life.

2015
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:29,880
Speaker 5: And it's enough.

2016
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 12: And I believe in Israel's right to exist, and I

2017
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:36,960
Speaker 12: also believe in Palestinian self determination and their need of

2018
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 12: a country. And I tend to be the first Jewish

2019
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:41,799
Speaker 12: president in American history and be the one that signs

2020
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 12: documents that finally, finally establishes a Palestinian state, because I've

2021
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:50,879
Speaker 12: had enough. Hamas is not Palestinians, and Benjamin net Nyiahu

2022
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 12: is not Israeli's. And I believe if you surveyed both

2023
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:56,160
Speaker 12: populations right now, they would say the same thing.

2024
01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:57,719
Speaker 5: So what do I want to see?

2025
01:36:57,760 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 12: I want to see every single one of those hostages, really,

2026
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 12: including apparently nine Americans, which I believe should be the

2027
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 12: foremost priority of both the American President and anybody an

2028
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:10,040
Speaker 12: elected office here in the United States. Release the prisoners,

2029
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:13,040
Speaker 12: release the hostages. Then yes, there should be a ceasefire.

2030
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:16,840
Speaker 12: And then, most importantly, Israel should not be taking on

2031
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:19,479
Speaker 12: Hamas alone. I think this is a time for life

2032
01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 12: minded nations of the world, including the Arab States and

2033
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:26,840
Speaker 12: Gulf nations, to unify in eliminating Hamas, ensuring that there

2034
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 12: are free and fair elections in both the West Bank

2035
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:33,320
Speaker 12: and Gaza, so that Palestinians can choose, and I pray

2036
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:36,760
Speaker 12: that they do choose peace, a new generation of leadership.

2037
01:37:37,479 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 12: Abu Mazen is in his eighties. The Palestinian authority is corrupt.

2038
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:44,639
Speaker 12: Hamas is the enemy of both Israel and Palestinians. It's

2039
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 12: time for change, It's time for new leadership. Same is

2040
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:50,599
Speaker 12: true in Israel. I think Benjamin Natanya, who's right wing government,

2041
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:54,640
Speaker 12: is culpable. I think the settlement policy is abhorrent and

2042
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:57,280
Speaker 12: the only way, the only way that Israel will be

2043
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:00,160
Speaker 12: safe and secure, the only way that Palestinians will have

2044
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:03,080
Speaker 12: a homeland of their own with security and opportunity, and

2045
01:38:03,120 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 12: the only way that America can come back together is

2046
01:38:06,240 --> 01:38:08,439
Speaker 12: if we solve this issue. So my call to action

2047
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:12,880
Speaker 12: is just that release the hostages and the hostilities have

2048
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:16,880
Speaker 12: a multinational peacekeeping force that creates peace in Gaza, so

2049
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:19,240
Speaker 12: that there can be an election and we can create

2050
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:20,160
Speaker 12: change immediately.

2051
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:21,560
Speaker 5: Hamas has to be eliminated.

2052
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:25,200
Speaker 12: And I believe it's time for Benjamin Yahoo to be

2053
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:27,880
Speaker 12: taken out of office by Israelis in a democratic nation

2054
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:31,559
Speaker 12: and end this nonsense. It is time, it is long overdue,

2055
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:33,639
Speaker 12: and the same people in the same roles are not

2056
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:35,800
Speaker 12: going to get it done. I cannot stand to watch

2057
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:38,080
Speaker 12: this bloodshed any longer.

2058
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:38,559
Speaker 5: Period.

2059
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 1: So Congressman, just to clarify your position, let's put this

2060
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:44,840
Speaker 1: next element up on the screen. There's a new letter

2061
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 1: from some of your colleagues in the House again reiterating

2062
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:51,640
Speaker 1: the call for a cease fire, precisely because of the

2063
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:54,400
Speaker 1: numbers that you see up here on the screen, which

2064
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:58,080
Speaker 1: is the monthly average of child casualties and conflicts you

2065
01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:00,960
Speaker 1: can see in Gaza, and these numbers a little bit outdated.

2066
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:04,080
Speaker 1: At frankly, at this point, over four thousand children killed

2067
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:05,640
Speaker 1: in this conflict is dwarfs.

2068
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:06,799
Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't even come.

2069
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:11,439
Speaker 1: Close to any other modern conflict that we see see.

2070
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 1: Will you sign on to that letter calling for a

2071
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:16,759
Speaker 1: ceasefire because of the violation of rights of children.

2072
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:19,639
Speaker 5: Cristal, I just made my point really clear.

2073
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:21,760
Speaker 12: I will call for a ceasefire the minute every one

2074
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:23,799
Speaker 12: of those hostages is released, period.

2075
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:26,880
Speaker 3: And are you aware, Congressman, let me just let me

2076
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:27,519
Speaker 3: just let me just.

2077
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:29,439
Speaker 12: Let me just finish though, Cristal, you asked me the question,

2078
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 12: and I will totally answer it. There should not be

2079
01:39:32,240 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 12: a ceasefire until the hostages are released at that very moment, absolutely,

2080
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:37,960
Speaker 12: and then there should be a multinational peacekeeping force that

2081
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:42,080
Speaker 12: ensures that this ends immediately. You know, there was a

2082
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:45,599
Speaker 12: ceasefire until October seven. This cycle has got to stop.

2083
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:46,959
Speaker 3: If you ask.

2084
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 1: Them, if you ask Palestinians in the West Bank, they

2085
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:53,480
Speaker 1: may have a different story about who exactly broke the ceasefire.

2086
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:55,719
Speaker 1: But I do want to press you on the piece

2087
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:58,800
Speaker 1: with the hostages, because obviously hostages are very much put

2088
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:02,040
Speaker 1: at risk by the indiscriminate bombing campaign that is being

2089
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 1: waged by Israel. And I'm sure you're aware of the

2090
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:07,519
Speaker 1: reporting that said there was a hostage deal that was

2091
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:11,880
Speaker 1: very close to coming to Fruition, which was undercut and

2092
01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:15,040
Speaker 1: ultimately killed. And now they're trying to renegotiate it by

2093
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:16,000
Speaker 1: the ground.

2094
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:17,440
Speaker 3: Invasion by the IDF.

2095
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:21,599
Speaker 1: So it seems to me that there have been actions

2096
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:25,280
Speaker 1: taken on the Israeli side that have prevented the release

2097
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:27,880
Speaker 1: of the hostages. And also it's worth mentioning as well,

2098
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:30,760
Speaker 1: they're holding hundreds of women and children on the Israeli side,

2099
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:34,639
Speaker 1: Palestinian women and children on the Israeli side as well.

2100
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 12: Any hostages should be released, Any civilians have got to

2101
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:40,160
Speaker 12: be let go. I don't care who's holding them. I

2102
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:43,679
Speaker 12: believe the American president has a clear and distinct mandate

2103
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:47,600
Speaker 12: to ensure particularly the Americans, are released. And Crystal, I

2104
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 12: think we're saying the same thing. These hostilities have to end,

2105
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 12: and they should end the minute Hamas releases the prisoners.

2106
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:57,120
Speaker 12: This is not that difficult. So I don't understand why

2107
01:40:57,120 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 12: this is so complicated for people to understand. And I believe,

2108
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:02,680
Speaker 12: by the way, I want to see pro Palestinian and

2109
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:07,559
Speaker 12: pro Israeli protesters here in America unite behind humanity. That's

2110
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:11,160
Speaker 12: who side I'm on. I love Israel and I love Palestinians,

2111
01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 12: and I believe this is sickening and disgusting and I

2112
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:16,800
Speaker 12: cannot wait until this occurs, because I can't watch the

2113
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:20,320
Speaker 12: videos that I've been seeing of babies being slaughtered. You know,

2114
01:41:20,439 --> 01:41:23,800
Speaker 12: I cannot stand blood is read, no matter whose it is,

2115
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:26,800
Speaker 12: and I'm sickened, I'm disgusted, and most of all, I'm

2116
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:31,080
Speaker 12: disappointed beyond belief of the generation of leaders, old generation,

2117
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 12: many of them in their eighties now, who have not

2118
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:37,640
Speaker 12: solved this problem in decades. I'm a Jewish man, I

2119
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:40,600
Speaker 12: love Israel, I love my Palestinian brothers and sisters. I

2120
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:43,759
Speaker 12: care about humanity, I care about children, and the only

2121
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:46,479
Speaker 12: way we can end this nonsense is to release the

2122
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:50,000
Speaker 12: hostages and have the world unite to ensure that Gaza

2123
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:52,760
Speaker 12: is safe for everybody inside of it. And by the way,

2124
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:56,040
Speaker 12: Hamas wanted the overreaction that they got. That's why I'm

2125
01:41:56,080 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 12: so disappointed right now. Terrorists want an overreaction to change

2126
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 12: the game, and they changed it, but not in the

2127
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:04,679
Speaker 12: way that the world needs. The only good thing now

2128
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 12: is that we have a chance, maybe the final chance,

2129
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:10,439
Speaker 12: to prevent more tragedy in the Middle East. But also,

2130
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:13,080
Speaker 12: crystal to speak on behalf of both the Jewish and

2131
01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:15,800
Speaker 12: Muslim community in the United States right now that are

2132
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:19,240
Speaker 12: also at great great and grave risk. I'm representing them

2133
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:21,519
Speaker 12: because we're Americans here right now, and the only way

2134
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:24,479
Speaker 12: we overcome this is exactly what you just said. I

2135
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:27,600
Speaker 12: would just say, release the hostages, have a ceasefire, have

2136
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:30,719
Speaker 12: a peacekeeping force, have an election, and then the entire

2137
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:34,080
Speaker 12: world must unite. By the way, the Chinese, the Russians,

2138
01:42:34,280 --> 01:42:37,360
Speaker 12: the Gulf States, the Arab nations have got to participate

2139
01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:39,720
Speaker 12: in this, and then when it happens. I believe we

2140
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:43,280
Speaker 12: all have an obligation to ensure two things. That Israel

2141
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:48,360
Speaker 12: is perpetually safe and secure, and that Palestinians have the infrastructure,

2142
01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:52,120
Speaker 12: the education system, and the resources necessary to build in

2143
01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:56,080
Speaker 12: an economy and provide safety and security themselves. There will

2144
01:42:56,120 --> 01:42:59,720
Speaker 12: be Jews living in Palestine, and there will be Palestinians

2145
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:01,920
Speaker 12: living in Israel, as they do right now. By the way,

2146
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:05,200
Speaker 12: the Palestinians living in Israel have more rights than any

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Speaker 12: single Muslim in the entire Middle East has in most cases,

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Speaker 12: so that.

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Speaker 1: They still have fewer rights, but they still have fewer

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Speaker 1: rights than they still have fewer rights than Jewish is.

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Speaker 5: Really, I just said two things to Trystal. Let me

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Speaker 5: just repeat this.

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Speaker 12: Two things can be true at once The fact of

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Speaker 12: the matter is Israel affords more rights to its Muslim

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Speaker 12: population Muslim Israelis than any nation in the Middle East

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Speaker 12: affords to their own. That is true. People need to

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Speaker 12: know that, you know Israel is as aggressive nation.

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Speaker 3: Cowersan.

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Speaker 1: Israel is keeping millions before this war, millions of Palestinians

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Speaker 1: in Gaza.

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Speaker 3: Under a brutal blockade.

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Speaker 1: They are keeping the Palestinians in the West Bank under

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Speaker 1: a brutal occupation. They have assigned second class citizenship to

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Speaker 1: the Arab Israelis, who you know are Israeli citizens. So

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Speaker 1: to call that a progressive state, I have to depart

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Speaker 1: from your analysis there. But I want to ask you

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Speaker 1: a separate question, which is you described Putin's war in

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Speaker 1: Ukraine as but con let me let me Let me

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Speaker 1: ask you this question. Do you believe that Israel right

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Speaker 1: now is committing war crimes?

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Speaker 12: I don't have any First of all, I don't have

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Speaker 12: any evidence because I'm not a war crime a specialist.

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Speaker 12: I'm not going to attorney in that respect. What I

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Speaker 12: see is horrifying. There's no question that people are dying

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Speaker 12: in an indiscriminate way. There is no by the way,

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Speaker 12: and let me let me ask you a question because

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Speaker 12: it's a really important one. Every nation of the world

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Speaker 12: should abide by the laws of the world as it

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Speaker 12: relates to committing war and the atrocities being committed in

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Speaker 12: the Middle East. The atrocity is being committed by Russia,

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Speaker 12: by nations in Africa, by so many in the world.

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Speaker 5: This is this is a bigger issue of Crystal. It's

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Speaker 5: not just there.

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Speaker 1: Well, I actually want to ask you about that. I

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Speaker 1: actually want to I actually want to ask you about

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Speaker 1: that because you, if you did describe Putin's war on

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Speaker 1: Ukraine as genocide, you accused him of committing war crimes,

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Speaker 1: and that came specifically after hearing testimony that involved his

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Speaker 1: indiscriminate attacks on civilian infrastructure. And so far we have

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Speaker 1: graphic to this regard. Israel has damaged or destroyed roughly

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Speaker 1: forty five percent of all housing in Gaza, one hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventeen press headquarters, sixty eight mosques, three churches, two

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Speaker 1: hundred twenty one schools, and one hundred and fifteen health facilities.

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Speaker 1: So you were able to identify that as war crimes

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Speaker 1: when it pertained to Russia.

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Speaker 3: Why the reluctance here, It's not reluctance.

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Speaker 12: I'm telling you right now, I'm saying it once again.

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Speaker 12: What I'm seeing happen in Gaza, I believe is both

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Speaker 12: destructive to Palestinians and I think is going to be

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01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:46,719
Speaker 12: equally destructive to Israel and Israelis if this doesn't end

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Speaker 12: expeditiously and immediately, and that should happen the minute all

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Speaker 12: the hostages are released. If you're Amas and you won't

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Speaker 12: release the two hundred hostages in return for creating a

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01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:58,760
Speaker 12: safe environment for every citizen you ostensibly represent, we've got

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Speaker 12: bigger problems. Agree with what you just said, Crystal. It's abhorrent.

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Speaker 12: It is worse for Israel's future by conducting the war

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Speaker 12: in this fashion. There's no question eliminating hamas is distinct

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Speaker 12: from eliminating eliminating human beings in an indiscretionary manner.

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Speaker 5: I agree.

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Speaker 12: I'm trying to express my heartfelt truth that I am appalled,

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Speaker 12: and I'm deeply appalled because I think this is going

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01:46:20,439 --> 01:46:23,160
Speaker 12: to hurt Israel more in the long term if this continues.

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Speaker 12: That's why I want the hostages released. My job, Crystal,

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Speaker 12: as a United States Congressman is to first and foremost

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01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:33,280
Speaker 12: look out for Americans. We have Americans being held hostage

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01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:37,080
Speaker 12: by a terrorist organization in Gaza that must release them,

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01:46:37,560 --> 01:46:40,479
Speaker 12: must release them at that very moment. I will be

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Speaker 12: the first to call for a ceasefire in international peacekeeping force,

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Speaker 12: including Arab nations to protect Gaza, to ensure we have

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01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:50,800
Speaker 12: free and fair elections as expeditiously as possible in both

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01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:54,000
Speaker 12: the West Bank and in Gaza. The Palestinian authority is corrupt.

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01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:57,200
Speaker 12: Hamas is a terrorist organization. And it's also time for

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01:46:57,280 --> 01:46:59,920
Speaker 12: Benjamin Nettnya whose government to go and let.

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Speaker 5: Is Ale's choose peace.

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Speaker 12: I demand that, period and paragraph, and I think that's

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Speaker 12: going further than many of my colleagues right now. And

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Speaker 12: believe me, having traveled to Jerusalem twice this year, being

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01:47:11,200 --> 01:47:14,559
Speaker 12: in riod and Turkey, trying so hard to push peace

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01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 12: in the Middle East, I will not rest now. And

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01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:19,120
Speaker 12: by the way, the reason I'm running for president is

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01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:21,320
Speaker 12: it is time for a new generation to end this

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01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:25,320
Speaker 12: nonsense and the wars, invest in peace, invest in diplomacy,

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01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:27,840
Speaker 12: and it's not going to happen with a bunch of

2234
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:29,800
Speaker 12: eighty year olds who've been doing this for fifty years,

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Speaker 12: whether that is in the West Bank or in the

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Speaker 12: West Wing period.

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Speaker 1: And again Congress, and I'll just reiterate that there was

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Speaker 1: a hostage deal on the table to free many of

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01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:41,759
Speaker 1: the hostages, which was undercut on the Israeli side.

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Speaker 12: Many of them, Crystal, I'm saying all of them, all

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Speaker 12: of the hostages.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, if there's.

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01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:49,679
Speaker 1: Many, how many children would need to be slaughtered before

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01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:51,480
Speaker 1: it's time to call for a ceasefire?

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Speaker 5: Crystal? What is Come on? Now?

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01:47:55,160 --> 01:47:58,759
Speaker 12: I'm saying that women and children held hostage by either

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01:47:58,920 --> 01:47:59,599
Speaker 12: side right now?

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Speaker 3: How does it help hostilities? Must and which I agree with,

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01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:06,040
Speaker 3: But how does it help hostages when you're bombing the

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Speaker 3: very area that they're being held in?

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Speaker 5: Then I think, Crystal, then releasing.

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01:48:09,680 --> 01:48:12,839
Speaker 1: Hostages at risk, which is which is what the family

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01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:17,640
Speaker 1: members of the hostages themselves are saying in Israel, Crystal.

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Speaker 12: Nine Americans apparently are being held by Hamas in tunnels

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Speaker 12: in Gaza. Release all the hostages and then there must

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Speaker 12: be a ceasefire. This is I'm amazed that anybody sees

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Speaker 12: it differently. We have nine Americans being held by a

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01:48:30,280 --> 01:48:33,680
Speaker 12: terrorist organization in Gaza. I'm an elected member of Congress.

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01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:37,360
Speaker 12: They must be released, along with every single every single hostage,

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Speaker 12: and if Israel is keeping hostages that are civilians as well,

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01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:43,880
Speaker 12: they must be released, period. And then there must be

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Speaker 12: a ceasefire, and then there must be a peacekeeping force,

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01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 12: and there must then be an election. And that is

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01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:51,080
Speaker 12: exactly how we should all be looking at this. I

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01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:53,120
Speaker 12: do not want to see one more baby slaughtered in

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01:48:53,240 --> 01:48:55,920
Speaker 12: Israel and one more baby slaughtered in Gaza.

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Speaker 5: Period.

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Speaker 12: And by the way, I don't understand how you can

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01:48:58,720 --> 01:49:01,599
Speaker 12: take one side of humanity if you are just pro

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01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:04,200
Speaker 12: Palestinian right now, and you know, have no empathy for Israelis,

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01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:06,000
Speaker 12: and if you're only pro Israeli and you have no

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01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:09,120
Speaker 12: empathy for Palestinians, you are the problem.

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Speaker 1: Which I agree with you completely, Which is exactly why,

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Speaker 1: which is exactly why eighty percent of Democrats are calling

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01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:19,160
Speaker 1: for a ceasefire, because they want to see Palestinian lives

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Speaker 1: valued as much as their Israeli brothers and sisters, which

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Speaker 1: is the consensus position not only among Democrats but among

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01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:27,880
Speaker 1: the American public. I want to move I do want

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Speaker 1: to move on to some other issues here quickly, because

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Speaker 1: I know you don't have a lot of time, so

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Speaker 1: very quickly, let's let me have you lay out what

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01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:37,880
Speaker 1: do you see as the most significant policy differences that

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01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:39,200
Speaker 1: you have with Joe Biden.

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Speaker 12: Well, let's start with this one right here at peace Now.

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Speaker 12: I'm sick and tired of a nation. I lost my

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01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:47,840
Speaker 12: father in the Vietnam War, Crystal. I was six months

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01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:51,200
Speaker 12: old and he died a couple days after Americans landed

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01:49:51,240 --> 01:49:53,479
Speaker 12: on the moon. And I literally think about him looking

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01:49:53,560 --> 01:49:57,599
Speaker 12: up seeing America at its very very best, and then

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01:49:57,640 --> 01:49:59,479
Speaker 12: looking down and seeing America at.

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Speaker 5: Its very very worst.

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01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:04,080
Speaker 12: I've lived a life of some tragedy, and I've lived

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01:50:04,120 --> 01:50:06,720
Speaker 12: a life of great opportunity, and I've lived on both

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01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:09,759
Speaker 12: sides of advantage. And when I think about the America

2295
01:50:09,800 --> 01:50:11,160
Speaker 12: that I know and love and that I think we

2296
01:50:11,200 --> 01:50:13,240
Speaker 12: can still become, it starts with peace. We have been

2297
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:16,599
Speaker 12: a nation that I think have pursued the wrong paths.

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01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:19,320
Speaker 12: I think we have a military industrial complex that Eisenhower

2299
01:50:19,400 --> 01:50:23,000
Speaker 12: warned us against that is destroying us from the inside.

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01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:25,479
Speaker 12: I believe that we should now be a nation that

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01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:28,080
Speaker 12: invests much more heavily in diplomacy than we do in

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01:50:28,120 --> 01:50:30,840
Speaker 12: our military. By the way, we spend only ten percent

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01:50:30,840 --> 01:50:34,559
Speaker 12: of our total military budget on diplomacy. And I'll tell

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01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:37,759
Speaker 12: you this is not the nineteen thirties. This is twenty

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01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:40,479
Speaker 12: twenty three. We are at a point now where nuclear

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01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:43,559
Speaker 12: weapons will soon be able to placed in backpacks and

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01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:45,320
Speaker 12: brought into any city in the world, whether it be

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01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:49,000
Speaker 12: New York, Tel Aviv, Moscow, or Beijing. And if we

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01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:52,280
Speaker 12: don't stop this nonsense and generate new leadership both here

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01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:55,120
Speaker 12: and all around the world, we are going to end

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01:50:55,240 --> 01:50:57,400
Speaker 12: human life around the globe. So I will be a

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01:50:57,439 --> 01:51:00,600
Speaker 12: president of peace and I will be a president of prosperity.

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01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:04,400
Speaker 12: Too many Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. Sixty four

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01:51:04,479 --> 01:51:07,839
Speaker 12: percent live paycheck to paycheck. This is a huge difference

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01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:11,040
Speaker 12: between me and the president. Forty percent can't afford a

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01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:15,080
Speaker 12: four hundred dollars emergency repair. Thirty almost one third of

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01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:18,559
Speaker 12: total American wealth is held by the top one percent.

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01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:22,560
Speaker 12: We are not going to survive this. From the inside,

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01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:25,479
Speaker 12: we have to ensure prosperity, and to the outside, we

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01:51:25,560 --> 01:51:28,040
Speaker 12: must pursue peace. That is who I am, that is

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Speaker 12: what I intend to do. And believe me, that is

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01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:34,360
Speaker 12: the biggest difference between this administration and mind. I will

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01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:39,040
Speaker 12: populate mine with conservatives, with liberals, with independence, with thinkers

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01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:41,480
Speaker 12: on both sides, because if you're going to solve problems,

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01:51:41,720 --> 01:51:44,160
Speaker 12: you cannot surround yourself only with people who see things

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01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:46,800
Speaker 12: the same way. I'm afraid President Biden has been bought

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01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:49,800
Speaker 12: into this style of leadership for fifty years. He had

2328
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:51,759
Speaker 12: eight years in the White House as a vice president,

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01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:54,720
Speaker 12: and look at these circumstances both in the Ukraine and

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01:51:54,760 --> 01:51:57,040
Speaker 12: the Middle East. That's a huge point of difference. I

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01:51:57,040 --> 01:51:59,960
Speaker 12: can go through some less important things, but equally equally different.

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01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:03,280
Speaker 12: And cannabis legalization, eighty percent of the country wants it.

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01:52:03,320 --> 01:52:05,639
Speaker 12: Ohio voters just asked to do it the other day

2334
01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:08,120
Speaker 12: and they did so. The president does not favor it.

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01:52:08,120 --> 01:52:12,320
Speaker 12: It's absurd. Psilocybin research. Thirty thousand veterans have committed suicide

2336
01:52:12,360 --> 01:52:15,000
Speaker 12: since Iraq and Afghanistan. Another thing we should talk about.

2337
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:18,880
Speaker 12: While we lost three thousand lives there, thirty thousand from suicide.

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01:52:18,920 --> 01:52:22,040
Speaker 12: Psilocybin could be a perfect example of a naturally occurring

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01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:23,360
Speaker 12: substance that helps people.

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01:52:23,479 --> 01:52:25,200
Speaker 5: But you know what, the pharma.

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01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:28,280
Speaker 12: Industry spends three hundred million dollars a year lobbying Congress

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01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:31,040
Speaker 12: to protect the status quote because they can't make money

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01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:33,160
Speaker 12: on cannabis or psilocybin. And you know what, I'm the

2344
01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:36,000
Speaker 12: only member of Congress, Cristel who takes no pack money,

2345
01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:38,800
Speaker 12: no lobbyist money, no member money, and doesn't have a

2346
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:41,920
Speaker 12: leadership pack. It's absurd. The corruption that we are allowing

2347
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:44,439
Speaker 12: in Washington, that is a huge difference. I will not

2348
01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:47,360
Speaker 12: tolerate it any longer. I'm going to tell the difficult truths.

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01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:49,639
Speaker 12: And by the way, I'm just saying the quiet part

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01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:52,160
Speaker 12: out loud. The corruption is real.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just going to say, I would I

2352
01:52:55,160 --> 01:52:57,160
Speaker 1: hope you'll come back and we can talk more about

2353
01:52:57,160 --> 01:52:59,160
Speaker 1: your economic plan because I know that's a focus of

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01:52:59,200 --> 01:52:59,799
Speaker 1: your campaign.

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01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:01,960
Speaker 5: You don't mind, I'd love to do a lot of propositions.

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01:53:02,200 --> 01:53:04,120
Speaker 1: I'd love to do just a quick lightning round so

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01:53:04,160 --> 01:53:05,760
Speaker 1: people can get a sense of where you stand on

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01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:09,280
Speaker 1: a variety of issues. So, in terms of the minimum wage,

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Speaker 1: what do you think it should be said at.

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Speaker 12: It's seven twenty five right now, it has to be

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Speaker 12: at least fifteen. It's abhorrent that the United States will America,

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Speaker 12: and it's abhorrent that this president hasn't ensured that has

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Speaker 12: gotten done in the last fifty years.

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Speaker 1: And in terms of social security, would you keep it

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Speaker 1: where it is. Would you cut benefits or would you

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Speaker 1: increase them?

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Speaker 12: If I got two propositions on that another example, for

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Speaker 12: fifty years leaders have had a chance to do something.

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Speaker 12: They haven't done a thing. It's going to go bankrupt

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Speaker 12: and twenty thirty three benefits will be cut by twenty

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Speaker 12: five percent. Two ways to fix it. Raise the cap

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Speaker 12: from one sixty to two hundred and fifty thousand dollars,

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Speaker 12: because right now it's regressive. Someone making one hundred and

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Speaker 12: sixty thousand dollars a year a family is paying more

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Speaker 12: of their income as a percentage than someone making five

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Speaker 12: hundred thousand dollars a year.

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Speaker 5: It's wrong.

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Speaker 12: It should be increased to two fifty. It'll extend the

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Speaker 12: life of the program until about twenty forty six. Secondly,

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Speaker 12: no one's ever pose the most simple solution for the

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Speaker 12: millions of Americans who have done well, who do not

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Speaker 12: need their Social Security. I will create a pool that

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Speaker 12: will then redistribute those who contribute to it to the

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Speaker 12: lowest ten percent of the socioeconomic recipients of social security,

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Speaker 12: because inflation is killing people who rely on it entirely,

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Speaker 12: and there are millions of Americans who would like to

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Speaker 12: be philanthropic and share their success with those who need it,

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Speaker 12: not return it to the treasury or to the government,

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Speaker 12: but actually to the people, and that will boost depending

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Speaker 12: on how generous people are, it could boost the income

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Speaker 12: of Social Security recipients magnificently.

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Speaker 5: Those are two solutions that I will accomplish.

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Speaker 1: The Proact, which would establish for their labor rights and

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Speaker 1: hopefully expand the landscape for collective bargaining. Is that something

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Speaker 1: you're in favor of and that you'll fight for as president.

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Speaker 12: Indeed, collective bargaining unionization I think have made the distinction

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Speaker 12: in the United States.

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Speaker 5: I have voted for the Proact twice.

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Speaker 12: The only part of it I don't like is secondary

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Speaker 12: strikes because that allows essentially to occur against companies who

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Speaker 12: are actually doing well by their employees. And as a

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Speaker 12: family business that I ran for many, many years that

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Speaker 12: shared a disproportionate amount of success, one of the first

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Speaker 12: profit sharing programs in documented American history in the nineteen forties.

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Speaker 12: Believe me, nothing is more important than sharing with workers.

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Speaker 12: And I am a pro business and pro worker democrat.

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Speaker 12: They're not mutually exclusive, they're mutually mandatory, and that is

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Speaker 12: entirely my agenda to ensure the working class. We raise

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Speaker 12: the foundation with income, with benefits, with healthcare, with childcare,

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Speaker 12: with prec education for children, and not just in cities

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Speaker 12: and suburbs, but in rural America.

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Speaker 1: And lastly, Congressman, where can people find out more about

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Speaker 1: your campaign?

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Speaker 12: Thanks for asking, because my team always says you don't

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Speaker 12: say it too not enough deem twenty four dot com.

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Speaker 12: We are an insurgent campaign. We are in a mission

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Speaker 12: to do better for this country. We are up against

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Speaker 12: not just a system of corruption, but two political parties

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Speaker 12: that are stifling debate, stifling participation. And my message to everybody,

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Speaker 12: let's do better. It's time for change, It's time for

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Speaker 12: a new generation. I am staffed by the most extraordinary

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Speaker 12: team I think in American political history. Got Jeff Weaver,

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Speaker 12: formerly Bernie Sanders campaign manager on our team. Got Zach Browman,

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Speaker 12: who ran Andrew Yang's campaign in twenty twenty, and of

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Speaker 12: course Steve Schmidt, who volunteered to help set this thing

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Speaker 12: up because nobody was going to do it. He's now

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Speaker 12: off on his own supporting the effort, I think in

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Speaker 12: his own way, and I'll tell you what he told me.

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Speaker 12: This is a great way to wrap it up. I

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Speaker 12: did his podcast about on October eleventh. I was so

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Speaker 12: furious that our Democratic Party in Washington was not saying

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Speaker 12: the quiet part out loud. I was on his podcast.

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Speaker 12: He called me the next day and said, Dean, in

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Speaker 12: twenty twenty Joe Biden was the only person who could

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Speaker 12: defeat Donald Trump. So we set up the Lincoln Project.

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Speaker 12: The President called me right after the election and said

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Speaker 12: thank you. He only won by forty thousand votes in

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Speaker 12: a handful of states. He called me, he said, in

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Speaker 12: twenty twenty four, you are the only one that can

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Speaker 12: defeat Donald Trump, and if you want to jump in,

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Speaker 12: I'm going to help you get there. And that's where

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Speaker 12: we're at. Are a team of rivals. We have progressives, moderates.

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Speaker 12: I want to invite everybody. My slogan is everyone's invited,

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Speaker 12: So I would invite you to visit Dan twenty four

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Speaker 12: dot com. Join the Dean team, help us organize, help

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Speaker 12: us mobilize, because the Democratic Party is doing everything it

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Speaker 12: can to prevent you from voting for me, to prevent

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Speaker 12: other candidates from entering, and to prevent debate at a

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Speaker 12: time we need it more than ever.

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Speaker 5: The future is Bright.

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Speaker 12: We're going to get there, but we need people to help,

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Speaker 12: and I would love nothing more.

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Speaker 1: Well, Conressan, I want to thank you both for the

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Speaker 1: spirit and debate today, but most importantly, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think the answer to a sort of ailing democracy is

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Speaker 1: more democracy. I think it takes courage to throw your

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Speaker 1: hat in the ring. I'm sure you know the probably

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Speaker 1: luncheons with your colleagues are little frosty, maybe at this point,

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Speaker 1: or maybe privately they're celebrating what you're up to.

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Speaker 2: I guess you can.

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Speaker 5: Tell you.

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Speaker 12: Can imagine when you say the quiet part out loud,

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Speaker 12: it's discomforting.

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Speaker 5: And let me just extend a final limitation.

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Speaker 12: Whether you are passionately pro Israel or whether you're passionately

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Speaker 12: pro Palestine, please join us.

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Speaker 5: I want to be that bridge.

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Speaker 12: I want to demonstrate to the world how Americans do this,

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Speaker 12: even if we disagree. Sometimes we've got to place humanity first.

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Speaker 12: That means here, that means in Palestine, it means in Israel. Please,

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Speaker 12: this is our one chance to change the course of

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Speaker 12: world history. If we do it together, it will not

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Speaker 12: happen with Donald Trump or Joe Biden.

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Speaker 5: Mark my words.

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Speaker 3: Corson, thank you so much for your time today. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much, have a great day. Keep the

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Speaker 5: faith