1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Welcome. It is Verdict with Ted Cruz in our week 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: in Review. 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: Ben Ferguson with you, And these are the major stories 4 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 2: that we talked about this week, and well it was 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 2: a big week in news. First up, Democrats still out 6 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: to lunch, not understanding exactly why the policies they have 7 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: on illegal immigration lost them the election. How do we 8 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: know this because of new polling data that proves they 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: were out of touch with reality on securing the southern border. 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: We'll break that down for you. Also, the big. 11 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 2: Lie you may remember, the left and the media said 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 2: that there were not gangs from other countries that were 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: taking over apartment complexes in Colorado. Well, we now have 14 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 2: even more proof of just how extreme those gang members 15 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: have become in those apartment complexes now kidnapping and torturing people. 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: The details on that as well. And finally, we have 17 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,959 Speaker 2: a big fight over the debt ceiling taking place as 18 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 2: we speak in Washington. So why is the dead ceiling 19 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: so important? We'll break down the logistics of that as well. 20 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 2: It's the weekend review and it starts right now. Finally, Senator, 21 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: this is another story and the media is trying to 22 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 2: figure this out. The Democratic Party is trying to figure 23 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: it out, how do we lose this last selection? What 24 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: caused it was it really our policy on migrants and 25 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 2: illegal immigrants. And there was a very interesting conversation that 26 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: took place, and people even on the left like, is 27 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: this aha moment? And I laughed because it's something that 28 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: you actually said on this show a couple of years ago. 29 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 2: Jessica Tarlove and Katie Curic, we're talking about JP governors 30 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: sending ilegal immigrants to other parts of the country from 31 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 2: border states, and I want to play this clip for people, 32 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: and they specifically we're talking about Rod DeSantis in Florida, 33 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: Greg Abbott in Texas and this is what they said. 34 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: In reaction on. 35 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 3: The immigration front, there was a tendon see amongst democrats, 36 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 3: and especially Democrats were discussing the issues of people who 37 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 3: do interviews or are part of the media to minimize it. 38 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 3: Over the first two and a half years, when there 39 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 3: were a lot of people coming in here, and I 40 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 3: thought that it was a stunt. You know, when they 41 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 3: started bussing migrants they go to markets, vineyards. Yeah, it 42 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 3: was the smartest thing they ever did. 43 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 4: Well. It's interesting because I have a friend who lives 44 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 4: in Florida, and I said, what did you think of 45 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 4: of Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott taking some of these 46 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 4: immigrants and moving them to northern States? And she said, 47 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 4: I thought it was great because nobody really was paying 48 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 4: attention before that. And I do think that this untold 49 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 4: story was the strain on social services and communities, particularly 50 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 4: along the border, this influx, huge influx of immigrants was 51 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 4: having and I think the mainstream media, however, you find 52 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 4: out these days, kind of ignored that story to its peril. 53 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,839 Speaker 2: I mean, wow, right, like, at least they're figuring it out. 54 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 2: I don't want to say that all the media is 55 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: figuring out, but it is pretty funny they figured out. 56 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: The only problem is they were just a couple of 57 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 2: years too late. 58 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, look at striking to hear Kitty Kurk admitting that now, 59 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 5: as you know, this was an idea that I suggested 60 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 5: three years ago. In October of twenty twenty one, I 61 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 5: introduced a bill called the Surge Act. And the Surge 62 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 5: Act was designed to create thirteen new ports of entry 63 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 5: to send illegal immigrants. And here's here's what my press 64 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 5: really said at the time. If Washington Democrats had to 65 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 5: endure even a fraction of the suffering South Texas families, farmers, ranchers, 66 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 5: and small businesses have had to face. Our nation's immigration 67 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 5: laws would be in force, the wall would be built 68 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 5: and remain in Mexico. Policy would be implemented. And so 69 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 5: I introduced legislation to change the points of entry and 70 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 5: add thirteen new places. Block Island, Rhode Island, Greenwich, Connecticut, 71 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 5: Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, Cambridge, Massachusetts, Governor's Island, New York, Rehobeth Beach, Delaware, Nantucket, Massachusetts, Newport, 72 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 5: Rhode Island, Scarsdale, New York, Palo Alto, California, Yuntville, California, 73 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 5: Saint Helena, California, and North Hero Vermont, which is where 74 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 5: Bernie Sanders vacations. And the idea was all the places 75 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 5: where rich liberals sit and sip chardonnay and look down 76 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 5: on people concerned about the open borders. And it was 77 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 5: really striking. At the time I introduced this legislation, the 78 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 5: leftist media went crazy, and in fact, the county executive 79 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 5: at Martha's Vineyard attacked me, attacked me by name, and 80 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 5: he said Cruise doesn't understand immigration. And he said we 81 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 5: and Martha's Vineyard would welcome illegal immigran Well, several months later, 82 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 5: Ron De Santis and Greg Abbott took me up on 83 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 5: what I had suggested, and they did exactly that. They 84 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,559 Speaker 5: sent fifty illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard, and of course 85 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 5: that same county executive within twenty four hours declared an 86 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 5: emergency and ended up deporting the fifty who had been sent. 87 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 5: And I'll tell you we actually covered this on Verdict 88 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 5: several years ago, so I want you to play an 89 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 5: old segment from Verdict. This is actually pre pre the 90 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 5: great Ben Ferguson. This is back when when Michael Noles 91 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 5: and I were doing it. 92 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: Oh good Ford, Yeah, yes, the voice is about to 93 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 2: change a little bit, right. 94 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 5: But this is us talking about it three years ago, 95 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 5: and it had a bit of foreshadowing. So give a listen. 96 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 6: They've just sent airplanes full of illegal aliens to Martha's Vineyard. 97 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 6: And I cheered when I saw the headline, and then 98 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 6: I had to think, you know, there's a certain podcast 99 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 6: hosted by a certain senator from Texas that has been 100 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 6: calling exactly for that for many weeks now, and I 101 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 6: just can't help but wonder if that may have had 102 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 6: some effect on this policy going into effect. 103 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,799 Speaker 5: I was thrilled when the governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, 104 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 5: took me up on the idea and began sending illegal immigrants, 105 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 5: first to d C, then to New York, then to Chicago. 106 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 5: It's had a fantastic event as these Democratic mayors have 107 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 5: lost their minds and declared national emergencies. The mayor of 108 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 5: d C declared a national emergency or a city emergency 109 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 5: because six thousand illegal immigrants were sent to d C. 110 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 5: Of course, we've had since Joe Biden became president. We 111 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 5: have had four point two million illegal immigrants cross illegally 112 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 5: with Biden as president. It is horrific. 113 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 6: That's a crazy number. Four point two million. That is 114 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 6: a crazy number. It is larger than many of the 115 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 6: states of our union. I mean, four point two million 116 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 6: since Joe Biden put his hand on the Bible and 117 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 6: took the oath of office. That's what's come and it 118 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:06,559 Speaker 6: continues to get worse. 119 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 5: And what is amazing about when red state governors, first 120 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 5: Texas now Florida are shipping to blue strongholds is the 121 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 5: Democrats who talk a good game immediately flipped tail. So 122 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 5: I want to give you a quote on the from 123 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 5: Martha's Vineyard. When I introduced the legislation, you had Democrats, 124 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 5: Democrats and the House of Representatives slamm me. But I 125 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 5: want to read from the county commissioner of Martha's Vineyard, 126 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 5: Keith Chattenover, and here's the quote he said about my legislation. 127 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 5: I would love to see Martha's Vineyard become a haven 128 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 5: for new immigrants in the country. But Senator Cruz has 129 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 5: no idea what he's talking about regarding a border crisis. 130 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 5: He went on to say, immigrants make our country stronger, 131 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 5: as evidence by immigration from zill in other countries to 132 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 5: the vineyard. And he is trying to whip up racial 133 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 5: anxieties for political gain, which is essentially the entire GOP platform. Anyhow, 134 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 5: that's before they arrived. I want to see if after two, three, four, five, 135 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 5: six ' ten, one hundred planeloads or bus loads, if 136 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 5: the county commissioner has the same view. 137 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 2: Three years ago you said that, Senator, and now we're 138 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: seeing that Democrats are actually saying, man, this is really effective, 139 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: Like this was really really effective. You did this as 140 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: stopped the Surge Act in October twenty twenty one. 141 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 5: And by the way, three years ago, notice that number 142 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 5: four point two million illegal immigrants were now over twelve million. 143 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 5: What has happened at our southern border is an experiment 144 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 5: in radicalism that has never been tried in the United 145 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 5: States of America. Our country is struggling the suffering that 146 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 5: has occurred, and I will say the actual sending of 147 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 5: planeloads and bus loads of illegal immigrants to Blue strongholds. 148 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 5: It showed the complete and utter hypocrisy as every Democrat mayor, 149 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 5: every Democrat governor, every Democrat county executive completely demonstrated everything 150 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 5: they'd been saying was a lie, and it broke through 151 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 5: the media freeze out in a way nothing else did. 152 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 5: I think Katie Kirk's right that that single action of 153 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 5: demonstrating Democrat hypocrisy on this issue could well have decided 154 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 5: the presidential election last month. 155 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,599 Speaker 2: Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation, 156 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 2: you can go back and listen to the full podcast 157 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 2: from earlier this week. 158 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: Now onto story number two. 159 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: Speaking of conspiracy theories, at six months ago they said 160 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 2: we're not real, or five months or four months or 161 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: three months, even two months ago, and then it becomes 162 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: real That brings me to the second big topic that 163 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: we mentioned earlier, and let's go back to Colorado. Let's 164 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: go back to what the White House and the media said. 165 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 2: They said that it was not happening, that there were 166 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: not gangs that had been taking over apartment complexes and 167 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: running these criminal gangs out of them in Aurura, Colorado. 168 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: They said this was a lie, that it wasn't true. 169 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: Then they said, well, it's only happening in a couple 170 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 2: of them, not that many, so it's not a big deal. 171 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: They changed their story again, and. 172 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 2: Now we were right all along, a legal alien invasion 173 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 2: in Colorado. Number one is real, and number two, you 174 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 2: have fourteen detained in Aurora, Colorado in a horrific home 175 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 2: invasion that are likely illegal gang members. Police are now 176 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 2: staying saying when individuals were not only taken, but they 177 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: were tortured. 178 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 5: Well, Martha Raddits at ABC dismissed this, said, oh, it's 179 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 5: only a handful of apartment complexes, which with the classic 180 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 5: contempt of the elite left looking down on little people 181 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 5: that live in apartment buildings who are being terrorized. But 182 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 5: this story broke this week. The headline from Fox News 183 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 5: fourteen detained in armed Aurora, Colorado home invasion are likely 184 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 5: illegal gang members. Home invasion occurred at the Edge at 185 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 5: Lowry Apartments, where viral videos showed gang members earlier this year. 186 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 5: So the media tell told us, don't believe your lying eyes. 187 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 5: Oddly enough, the same thing they're saying about the drone 188 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 5: sightings of the sky. But here's what Fox reported. Quote 189 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 5: Police at Aurora, Colorado say the overnight armed home invasion 190 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 5: at a local apartment complex that resulted in fourteen suspects 191 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 5: being detained was quote without question, a gang incident. Just 192 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 5: before two thirty am on Tuesday, police were called to 193 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 5: the Edge at Lowry Apartments for a reported armed home 194 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 5: invasion in which the victims were kidnapped and assaulted, the 195 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 5: Aurora Police said. Aurora Police Department Chief Todd Chamberlain said 196 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 5: during the Tuesday news conference that thirteen to fifteen people, 197 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 5: mostly males with some females, entered an apartment where two 198 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 5: people were inside. Police say the suspects took the migrant 199 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 5: victims to another apartment at the same location, where the 200 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 5: victims were threatened and bound. One of the victims, a man, 201 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 5: sustained a stab wound, but is expected to survive. Police 202 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 5: said both of the victims are still at the hospital 203 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 5: for treatment for their injuries. At some point, authority said, 204 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 5: the suspects released the victims, who then called nine one one. 205 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 5: Quote they were pistol whipped, they were beat they were mistreated. 206 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 5: Chamberlain said, so does that fall in the category of 207 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 5: torture for me? Yeah, it does. That's the chief of 208 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 5: police in Aurora, Colorado. And he went on to say, quote, 209 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 5: this is without question a gang incident. I don't know 210 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 5: which gang they're affiliated with. Yes, Chamberlain said that quote 211 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 5: there is a high assumption that they may be affiliated 212 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 5: with the TDA, the trender Aragua gang, but he stopped 213 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 5: short of declaring which gang in particular was involved because 214 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 5: he could not be certain. At this time, we were 215 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 5: told this wasn't true, and yet it is true. 216 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: Well, and let's go back to Martha Raddick, because this 217 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 2: was when she was getting into it with JD. Vance 218 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 2: on this issue, and I want you to hear what 219 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: she had to say. And again, this goes back to 220 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 2: the lies. When people don't trust the media or the 221 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: government when they lie to. 222 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 7: Us, stop you. The incidents were limited to a handful 223 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 7: of apartment conflicts apartment complexes, and the mayor said, our 224 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 7: dedicated police officers have acted on those concerns. A handful 225 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 7: of problems. 226 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 6: Only, Martha, do you hear yourself? 227 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 8: Only a handful of apartment complexes in America were taken 228 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 8: over by Venezuelan gangs. And Donald Trump is the problem 229 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 8: and not Kamala Harris's open border. Americans are so fed 230 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 8: up with what's going on, and they have every right 231 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 8: to be. 232 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: By the way, if it's your apartment complex, I think 233 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 2: it is a big deal when you have it being 234 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: taken over by the. 235 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 5: Government and stop lives an opulent She's a multi millionaire. 236 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 5: It's not her problem. Her home wasn't taken over by 237 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 5: Venezuelan gang, So why should she possibly be concerned? And listen, 238 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 5: that liberal contempt for ordinary Americans is a big part 239 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 5: of the reason we saw the overwhelming election results we 240 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 5: did in November. 241 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: Finally, Senator, I want to get to this other issue, 242 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 2: and that is Uh, there's a study that has come out. 243 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: It's really shocking and it is one where I guess 244 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 2: you call it a poll that young people in this 245 00:14:54,840 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: country actually are understanding of this assassin in New York 246 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: City who killed the Healthcare CEO, saying it's almost justifiable 247 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: that this is happening to people that work in industries 248 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: they don't like. 249 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is really stunning. So Emerson College put out 250 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 5: a poll, and they polled people's attitudes towards the healthcare 251 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 5: ceo assassination. Here's what they concluded. Quote, a majority of voters, 252 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 5: sixty eight percent think the actions of the killer of 253 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 5: the United Healthcare CEO, Brian Thompson are unacceptable. So I 254 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 5: want you to pause and think about that. Only sixty 255 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 5: eight percent of Americans think it is unacceptable to murder 256 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 5: someone in cold blood. Seventeen percent find the actions acceptable 257 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 5: murdering someone in cold blood, mind you, while sixteen percent 258 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 5: are unsure. Now, if you break it down a little more, 259 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 5: here's what Emerson College continues. Quote, well, sixty eight percent 260 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 5: voters overall reject the killer's actions. Younger voters and Democrats 261 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 5: are more split. Forty one percent of voters aged eighteen 262 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 5: to twenty nine find the killer's actions acceptable, while forty 263 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 5: percent find them unacceptable. So, according to Emerson College polls, 264 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 5: more young people age eighteen to twenty nine find the 265 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 5: cold blooded murder of this ceo acceptable, then find it unacceptable, 266 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 5: And it's forty one percent to forty If you break 267 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 5: down that forty one percent, twenty four percent say it 268 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 5: is somewhat acceptable, and seventeen percent say it is completely acceptable. Yes, 269 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 5: murder of CEO. We've been trained like good little Marxists. 270 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 5: Shoot them now. By the way, if you break it 271 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 5: down on party lines, twenty two percent of Democrats find 272 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 5: them acceptable, while fifty nine percent find them unacceptable. So 273 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 5: over a fifth of Democrats think it's perfectly fine to 274 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 5: murder a CEO, to murder a man in cold blood, 275 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 5: to shoot him in the back, and the comparison among Republicans, 276 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 5: twelve percent of Republicans find the actions acceptable and sixteen 277 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 5: percent of independence find the actions acceptable. I got to say, look, 278 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 5: of all of those polls, the one that is the 279 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 5: most horrifying is forty one percent of young people find 280 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 5: the killer's actions acceptable and only forty percent find them unacceptable. 281 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 5: So a plurality of young people say, hey, no problem, 282 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 5: murder someone who's a CEO. That is as stunning an 283 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 5: indictment of the brainwashing that young people are receiving in 284 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 5: school in K through twelve education in colleges and universities 285 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 5: and through the media as anything I've ever seen. 286 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:00,719 Speaker 1: It is the doctrination. 287 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 2: And it's also I think the radical left taking over 288 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 2: education where and they're normalizing it. It's what you and 289 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 2: I talked about on this podcast a couple of days ago. 290 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: The left has normalized the idea of assassinating people you 291 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 2: disagree with who are in positions of power and giving 292 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 2: you reason to believe that it is justifiable. 293 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 5: And remember Joy Bihar on the view said it was 294 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 5: terrible that I said it was leftists who are saying this. Well, 295 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 5: look that polling data shows it's Democrats and it's young. 296 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 5: It doesn't break it down by liberal or conservative. But 297 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 5: I am very confident a significant percentage of those young 298 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 5: people that think it's acceptable would also identify as leftists. 299 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 5: And we know that young people skew further left anyway. 300 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 5: This is Look, let me repeat what ought to be 301 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 5: a simple proposition. Murder is always, always, always wrong, whether 302 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 5: you like the person or not. And by the way, 303 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 5: all the people who think the murder of this CEO 304 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 5: is is so horrible, they don't know anything about him. 305 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 5: They don't know about any health care climate claims. He denied. 306 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 5: He was CEO of a major healthcare insurance company. Now, 307 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 5: I get a lot of people don't like insurance companies. 308 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 5: I've got issues with insurance companies. But this guy may 309 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 5: be a wonderful human being. We don't know. He was 310 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 5: a father, he of two teenage kids. He was murdered 311 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 5: in cold blood, and yet according to this poll, forty 312 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 5: one percent of young people think perfectly okay to murder him. 313 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 5: That is, we need to see people speaking out and 314 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 5: saying this is wrong, period the end. Not like in 315 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 5: when we covered this in Monday's podcast, Not like Elizabeth 316 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 5: Warren and Bernie Sanders and AOC murder is wrong, but 317 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 5: it's okayar I understand it here. People can only be 318 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 5: pushed so far. No murder is wrong, period the end. 319 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 5: That would actually be a good and sensible and moral 320 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 5: and reasonable position and what was understood throughout American history, 321 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 5: at least in modern times. But for the cultural Marxist 322 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 5: murder of the enemy, no problem. 323 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:08,959 Speaker 1: As before. 324 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: If you want to hear the rest of this conversation 325 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 2: on this topic, you can go back and dow the 326 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 2: podcast from earlier this week to hear the entire thing. 327 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 2: I want to get back to the Big story number 328 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 2: three of the week you may have missed. 329 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 5: Here's the third principle. I want to say. There are 330 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 5: some people arguing for eliminating the debt ceiling permanently, altogether, 331 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 5: just getting rid of the death ceiling, never again having 332 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 5: to worry about it. And by the way, one of 333 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 5: the plans that's discussed is, well, the Democrats have always 334 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 5: wanted to eliminate the death ceiling, so let's just do that, 335 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 5: and that's how we get out of this. I pray 336 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 5: that is not the end game here. Eliminating the debt 337 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 5: ceiling would be the single worst step we could possibly 338 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 5: take if you care about spending or deficits or debt. Now, 339 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 5: why is that? Okay, let's do a little history. Historically, 340 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 5: the debts has been the single greatest leverage Republicans have 341 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 5: had to force spending restraint. Now, this has only happened, 342 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 5: and it's only worked against the opposing party. So one 343 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 5: of the challenges with the debt ceiling is when your 344 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 5: own party is in power. Trump wants the dead ceiling raised. 345 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 5: Every president wants the dead ceiling raised. Republicans, as a 346 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 5: general matter, are not willing to exert massive leverage on 347 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 5: their own parties president and force spending restraints. So when 348 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 5: Trump was president the first time, the debt ceiling was 349 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 5: not leverage against Trump because Republicans didn't want to do that. 350 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 5: I understand that. But when Democrats are in the White House, Republicans, 351 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 5: the debt ceiling is the single most effective lever point 352 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 5: that has been used against Democrats to force spending restraints. 353 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 5: And I want to point to a couple of examples. 354 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 5: Number one, Graham Rudman Hollings. Graham Rudman Hollings, passed decades ago, 355 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 5: remains the single most effective spending restraint that has ever 356 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 5: been passed into law. Phil Graham, former Senator from Texas, 357 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 5: was the lead author. How did that get passed? It 358 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 5: got passed because of the debt ceiling. Got passed because 359 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 5: Republicans forced it and said, we won't raise the debt 360 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 5: ceiling unless you pass meaningful structural reform to reign in spending. 361 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 5: And Graham Hollings was in effect for many years and 362 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 5: had a very positive effect reigning in the growth of spending. 363 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 5: I'll point to a second example twenty ten, the Budget 364 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 5: Control Act. Twenty ten, Barack Obama was president and Republicans 365 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 5: used the debt ceiling to force Barack Obama to agree 366 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 5: to something called the Budget Control Act. The Budget Control 367 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 5: Act again significantly constrained the growth of federal spending. It 368 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 5: was only through the debt ceiling we got that. Now 369 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 5: the argument. And by the way, today we the Republicans senators, 370 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 5: we all had lunch. JD. Vance came to express his views. 371 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 5: To the lunch, there were a number of Republicans saying, well, 372 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 5: we should just get rid of the debt ceiling now. 373 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 5: And I'll tell you I expressed my views. If we 374 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 5: get rid of the debt ceiling, it would be utterly disastrous. 375 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 5: If you care remotely about government spending, eliminate the debt 376 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 5: ceiling would be a massive mistake. And I just put 377 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 5: it up. If we get rid of the dead ceiling, 378 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 5: there will come another Democrat president. I get the urge 379 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 5: to live in the moment of we're in charge. Wuoha. 380 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 5: But unfortunately, there will come another time when the American 381 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 5: people elect a Democrat. And for anyone who has an 382 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 5: attention span beyond twelve seconds, you recognize throughout history that 383 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 5: politics has been a pendulum, and it goes from one 384 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 5: party to the other so we will get another Democrat president. 385 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 5: And I told my colleagues today at lunch, I said, 386 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 5: all right, you get rid of the debt ceiling. Get 387 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 5: ready for president Elizabeth Warren. And if you don't like 388 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 5: a thirty six trillion dollar debt, get ready for fifty 389 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 5: trillion dollar debt. Because the Democrats, Elizabeth Warren wants to 390 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 5: eliminate the death ceiling. AOC wants to eliminate the death ceiling. 391 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,479 Speaker 5: Chuck Schumer wants to eliminate the dead ceiling because they 392 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 5: want to spend us into oblivion. So I will say, 393 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 5: one potential way out of this is to cut an 394 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 5: absolute deal with the Democrats that gets rid of the 395 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 5: debt ceiling forever. We will have given away what history 396 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 5: has proven. And by the way, I'll go back. I'll 397 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 5: go back to about a decade. I don't have the 398 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 5: most recent stats, but about a decade ago, it was 399 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 5: the case that of the previous fifty one times Congress 400 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 5: had raised the debt ceiling, twenty eight of those times 401 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 5: that had attached meaningful conditions to the death ceiling. So 402 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 5: it's leverage. Remember my principal number two. As you was 403 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 5: spending for leverage, this is related on principal number three. 404 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 5: The death ceiling is about getting leverage for concessions. Now 405 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 5: here's the problem I mentioned to you. There are a 406 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 5: bunch of Republicans in the House who say they'll never 407 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 5: vote for continue resolution. There are also a bunch of 408 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 5: Republicans in the House who say they will never, ever 409 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 5: ever vote to raise the debt ceiling. I got to 410 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 5: tell you, I don't think that makes any sense. I've 411 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 5: never said it, and I consider myself very much a 412 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 5: fiscal conservative. But forty percent of every dollar the federal 413 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 5: government spends is borrowed unless you're prepared to slash the 414 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 5: federal government budget by forty percent tomorrow. And by the way, 415 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 5: there is literally no serious person on planet Earth who 416 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 5: is prepared to do that and is able to do that. 417 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 5: Even if you would with a magic wand do that, 418 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 5: there's no way to make that happen. Unless you're prepared 419 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 5: to do that, the debt ceiling will have to be raised. 420 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 5: My position has always been I'm willing to vote to 421 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 5: raise the debt ceiling if we are getting concessions that 422 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 5: are raining in the out of control spending that's bankrupting 423 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 5: our country. However, in the House. There are a bunch 424 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 5: of Republicans who simply say, I will never ever ever 425 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 5: vote to raise the dead ceiling, no matter what. It 426 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 5: doesn't matter what we get. My answer is no, that 427 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 5: is a real problem. Let me make one final principle. 428 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 5: Mike Johnson, who's the Speaker of the House. There are 429 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 5: a bunch of voices on TV, a bunch of voices 430 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 5: on talk radio, a bunch of voices on Twitter saying 431 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,239 Speaker 5: get rid of Mike Johnson, throw them overboard. I'm going 432 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 5: to tell you something that I believe is an absolute fact. 433 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 5: Mike Johnson is the single most conservative Speaker of the 434 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 5: House that will ever be Speaker of the House in 435 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 5: our lifetime. He is undoubtedly the most conservative Speaker of 436 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 5: the House we have ever had in our lifetime. It's 437 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 5: not even close, It's not even arguable. And I'm here 438 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 5: to tell you listen, Mike Johnson may lose his job 439 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 5: over this. He has a very perilous It's a tiny 440 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 5: majority in the House. You've got a bunch of House 441 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 5: members saying I'm going to vote against him. I will 442 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 5: tell you this, if Mike Johnson is toppled a Speaker 443 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 5: of the House, and he might be Kevin McCarthy was. 444 00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 5: Mike Johnson is orders of magnitude more conservative than Van McCarthy. 445 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,959 Speaker 5: It's not even close. If Mike Johnson is toppled as 446 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 5: Speaker of the House, we will end up with a 447 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 5: Speaker of the House who is much much more liberal 448 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 5: than Mike Johnson. I think that is indisputable. I know 449 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 5: Mike Well, he's a good man. He's a decent man. 450 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 5: He's a strong Christian, he is a man of humility. 451 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 5: And everyone on Twitter is saying, but he gave the 452 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 5: Democrats concessions. I want to go back to the first principle. 453 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 5: I said, count to two eighteen. If Mike Johnson could 454 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 5: draft a bill that makes it out of the House 455 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 5: with two hundred and eighteen Republicans, he would I don't 456 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 5: believe that is possible. There's certainly nothing to indicate its 457 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 5: possible right now. If you cannot get to two eighteen 458 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 5: with Republicans because a bunch of Republicans say I will 459 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 5: not vote for anything you propose, no matter what, then 460 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 5: Mike Johnson is forced to get Democrat votes. To get 461 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 5: Democrat votes, he must give Democrats things they want. And 462 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 5: so I don't know what will happen. I think there's 463 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 5: a reasonable chance somehow out of this we get some 464 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 5: very short term cr a week or two or three, 465 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 5: and then in mid January we're back in the middle 466 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 5: of this mess again. That's possible. I'll tell you. In 467 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 5: the state, we're all sitting there. We have no idea 468 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 5: what's going to happen. I gotta tell you. I feel 469 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 5: for Mike Johnson. I think he is trying with all 470 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 5: his might, and I would just encourage you to focus 471 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 5: on listen. I think we need people to be serious 472 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 5: about changing the direction of the battleship of government, and 473 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 5: to do so, you actually need a strategy that can 474 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 5: get the votes to prevail. If you can't get the votes, 475 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 5: it's easy to tweet about it. I mean that's from 476 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 5: the cheap seats. Thirty eight Republicans voted No. One hundred 477 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 5: and seventy four is not to eighteen, and so I 478 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 5: don't know what the result is here. I think it 479 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 5: is chaotic. We will get through this one way or another. 480 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 5: But the fundamental structural dynamics, and it's one of the 481 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 5: things look going forward into the next year. I'm really 482 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 5: optimistic about the Trump presidency. I'm really optimistic about a 483 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 5: Republican Senate in the House. But I'll tell you the 484 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 5: Senate's going to be a lot easier. We've got fifty 485 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 5: three Republicans coming in next year. By the way, we 486 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 5: still have a Democrat Senate today, so I haven't even 487 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 5: this whole discussion has ignored the fact that you've got 488 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 5: to get Chuck Schumer and the Democrats to agree with 489 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 5: whatever you do, which is even harder. But next year 490 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 5: we'll have fifty three Republicans in the Senate. Fifty three 491 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 5: is a big enough majority that we can lose three 492 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 5: votes and still get things done. So I think the 493 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 5: Senate will be able to pass pretty good legislation, not fantastic, 494 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 5: not wonderful, but surprisingly good. The House worries me enormously 495 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 5: next year because the majority is so excruciatingly small that 496 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 5: if you lose a handful of votes, you cannot get 497 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 5: to to eighteen. And so I think Mike Johnson is 498 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 5: trying to work miracles right now. But the single hardest 499 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 5: challenge of the next two years in terms of passing 500 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 5: good legislation is going to be getting to too eighteen 501 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 5: in the House. And I don't know what the answer is. 502 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 2: To that as always, thank you for listening to Verdict 503 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 2: with Center Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you don't forget 504 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 2: to deal with my podcast and you can listen to 505 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,479 Speaker 2: my podcast every other day you're not listening to Verdict 506 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 2: or each day when you listen to Verdict afterwards, I'd 507 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 2: love to have you as a listener to again Ben 508 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,239 Speaker 2: Ferguson Podcasts, and we will see you back here on 509 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 2: Monday morning.