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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: Hey, how the heck are you?

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Speaker 3: It's an abbreviated version of One Bill's Live. Here on

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Speaker 3: a Thursday, Chris Brown Steve Tasker with you as we

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Speaker 3: sit here in the wake. Get your life preserver out.

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Speaker 3: We're in the wake of the Sabers Draft day trade. Yes,

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Speaker 3: they move back from pick eleven to fourteen and pick

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Speaker 3: up a second round pick in the process at forty

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Speaker 3: two overall.

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Speaker 2: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: Oh, there's your your Sabers news, and we're on to

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Speaker 3: our Bills.

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Speaker 1: Did that too?

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Speaker 2: Regular doings here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Traded out, We traded out, traded back twice in round one.

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Speaker 1: That was a little different because we traded back because

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Speaker 1: we're all for weeks we were talking about the Bills

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Speaker 1: draft and we're like, oh, it's gonna be great, and

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Speaker 1: we get trade out. Here we go, they trade out

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Speaker 1: for one of those top hevers, go and we got

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Speaker 1: to sit through all the gym. Well, I say, Jimoke's

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Speaker 1: the top picks of the draft. Sit through all of

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Speaker 1: those picks.

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Speaker 3: Guys that are gonna be losers because we got the

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Speaker 3: best guy.

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Speaker 1: We sit there. They get to the end of the

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Speaker 1: night and it's like, oh my gosh, it's like mid

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Speaker 1: It's like eleven thirty, right, it was like late. And

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Speaker 1: then we trade back and then we get there's like okay,

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Speaker 1: who are we gonna pick?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 2: Traded back again?

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Speaker 1: We trade back again, like one first round on the

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Speaker 1: We'll see you tomorrow. I could have gone to bed. No,

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Speaker 1: not so much. Yeah, all right though, and I one

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Speaker 3: NFL draft was made as late as possible for all parties.

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Speaker 1: In both they got us, they got us.

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Speaker 3: But since we don't have a lot of time with

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Speaker 3: you today, we're going to jump right in to Around

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Speaker 3: the NFL, which was brought to you by Kalida Healthy,

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Speaker 3: official healthcare system of the Buffalo Bills, and we begin

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Speaker 3: with some interesting numbers concerning one Josh Allen. As we know,

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen is much maligned by national media for his

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Speaker 3: interceptions and turnovers, and we see the year over year

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Speaker 3: statistics getting used in the graphics all the time on

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Speaker 3: the television broadcasts about how he is among the league

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Speaker 3: leaders in turnovers. But there was a table put together

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Speaker 3: recently by a social media analytics writer, Robbie Green, and

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Speaker 3: he put together a list of the top ten quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: who had the largest positive difference between expected points added

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Speaker 3: that are lost on interceptions versus the league average against

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Speaker 3: what is expected from their interception rate. So basically, it

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Speaker 3: measures how their interceptions were less costly than the overall

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Speaker 3: turnover number might suggest. At the top of the list

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Speaker 3: with the least amount of residual impact on turnovers was

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Speaker 3: Joshua Patrick Allen. So although Allen had a career high

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Speaker 3: eighteen interceptions last season, his turnovers on average were the

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Speaker 3: least costly in the league based on this analytics study.

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Speaker 1: I let me just say I told you so. But

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Speaker 1: I told you so because I always say people say,

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Speaker 1: the critics always say, hey, turns it over too much,

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Speaker 1: And I tell you Bill's fans say, no, he doesn't.

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Speaker 1: You know why. And it's more simple than all the

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Speaker 1: analytic stuff. It's because the touchdowns, because they score, he scores.

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Speaker 3: It's got one hundred and seventy was he got one

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty something touchdowns? Dude, He's passed Cam Newton

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Speaker 3: for the most in the first six seasons of an

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Speaker 1: So you and yeah, you intercepted on your own twenty

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Speaker 1: yard line, all right, you got him he's he stinks

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Speaker 1: as a quarterback, and all of a sudden he's standing

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Speaker 1: in the end zone three more times that day. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's just the way it is.

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Speaker 1: He does not turn it over too much. He puts

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Speaker 1: the ball at risk, no doubt about it. But man, man,

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Speaker 1: they score, they score a ton of points. They're the

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Speaker 2: But I'm gonna give any down.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you another example of the impact because

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Speaker 3: there were a healthy number of interceptions that Josh Allen

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Speaker 2: Not a Now, those could be.

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Speaker 3: To giveaways that lead to points for the opposition, but

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Speaker 3: in many cases that that did not happen, and you

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Speaker 3: those usually turn into points for the opposition. I would say,

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Speaker 3: and I'm just going off the top of my head,

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Speaker 3: on the opponents of the field. Case in point week eighteen,

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Speaker 3: two interceptions in the end zone. Now, don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 3: because your defense held it down for you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the thing too. The bottom line is this.

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Speaker 1: If you think Josh turned it over much cost Hi

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Speaker 1: a lot of games, Yeah, whatever, maybe that the game

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Speaker 1: you really think about it. And what happened last year

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Speaker 1: Jet game. He threw three interceptions, one of which was

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Speaker 1: a punt on a third and long, and he lost

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Speaker 1: a fumble. Yes, in that game. Yeah, you can make

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Speaker 1: that case, but man, oh man, look at the other

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Speaker 1: games if he think about it, If a kid doesn't

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Speaker 1: the Bills beat Philadelphia if they have eleven guys instead

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Speaker 1: of twelve guys on the field, they beat Denver. All

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, they're thirteen and four, and you're right

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Speaker 1: there with Baltimore at the one seed, and you're the

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Speaker 1: I mean you almost can't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, to maybe illustrate the point further in terms of

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Speaker 3: what this metric found next after Allen in terms of

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Speaker 3: Tyrod Taylor. Two of those quarterbacks are known by nature

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Speaker 3: as conservative throwers. Everybody remembers how conservative and careful Tyrod

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Speaker 2: When he was here.

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Speaker 3: That hasn't changed, so maybe that illustrates it a little

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Speaker 3: bit further. Josh is a guy who does put the

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Speaker 3: less costly than those guys on average. Another Bill's note

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Speaker 3: to pass along. NFL dot Com put together a list

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Speaker 3: projecting the top ten offenses for twenty twenty four. Bills

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Speaker 3: ranked eighth on that list. They finished sixth in the

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Speaker 3: league in offense last year. Officially, this is obviously a

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Speaker 3: projection for this year. Over the past four years, this

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Speaker 3: is what they said about the projection for Buffalo's offense

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Speaker 3: over the past four years, including that breakout twenty twenty campaign.

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Speaker 3: Allen comfortably leads the league with one hundred and seventy

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Speaker 3: four total touchdowns throwing, running, receiving, twenty three more than

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Speaker 3: the next most prolific scorer. Patrick Mahomes, A rocket, arm

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Speaker 3: fleet footed freak. At six five and two thirty seven,

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Speaker 3: Allen has been Pro Football Focus's highest graded quarterback in

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Speaker 3: each of the past two regular seasons. Then they ask

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Speaker 3: the following questions about Buffalo's offense. Can third year pro

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Speaker 3: Khalil Shakir, free agent signe Curtis Samuel in second round

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Speaker 3: pick keyon Coleman field devoid in the receiver room. Buffalo

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Speaker 3: ran the ball more effectively down the stretch last season

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Speaker 3: after Joe Brady took over the offensive reins, and you

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Speaker 3: have to believe Brady will continue to feature James Cook. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: Dalton Kinka showed play of promise in a solid rookie season,

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Speaker 3: so it'd be hoove Brady to keep watering that plant.

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Speaker 3: Allan's such a rare physical talent that he can be

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Speaker 3: fuddle defenses as a one man army, but that's just

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Speaker 3: not a winning formula in an increasingly loaded AFC. I

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Speaker 3: will give you the list, Steve of the teams that

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Speaker 3: were ranked ahead of Buffalo in this projection, in order,

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Speaker 3: San Francisco, Kansas City, Detroit, the Rams, Cincinnati, Miami, and

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Speaker 1: I'm okay with that, Yeah, I'm not bent out of

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Speaker 1: shape of that. I'm not all right, Yeah, you're Here's

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Speaker 1: the thing about Josh, and I keep saying it, and

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Speaker 1: I'll keep saying it because it's true. He's still tough

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Speaker 1: to beat. But for any of these teams, even the

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Speaker 1: San Francisco's and Kansas Cities and the Detroits of the world,

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Speaker 1: he beat two of those three last year in the

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Speaker 1: regular season. They're just too difficult to beat when Josh

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Speaker 1: has got it, because every time they get into a

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Speaker 1: tough spot, Josh just gets that first down either by

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Speaker 1: thirty think a picture of him falling out of bounds

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Speaker 1: with his heels on the sidelines, close to the sideline,

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Speaker 1: and then fumbles it away, you know, fumbles it. Then

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Speaker 1: they get the first down. Anyway. I mean, he plays

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Speaker 1: like that. We've seen countless, I mean, just every single

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Speaker 1: defense that they play against. The coordinators over there checking

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Speaker 1: for Ring, He's like, what do I have to do?

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Speaker 1: He's the only He's one of what a handful, not

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Speaker 1: It's him and a couple of guys who can take

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Speaker 1: it into a touchdown and the defensive coordinators is what

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Speaker 1: I gotta do. I got two guys coming in on

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Speaker 1: turned into a touchdown against me. What's one on here?

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Speaker 1: It happens. So wherever this offense is playing, Josh is

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Speaker 1: that safety net, no question about it. And you can say, well,

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Speaker 1: you're depending too much on him. You know, they score

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Speaker 1: and line up alone. The offensive line is very solid.

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Speaker 1: His running back room maybe faster than it was a

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Speaker 1: year ago without Latavius Murray back there. They got some

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Speaker 1: dudes their offense, and I'll say to their offense, despite

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Speaker 1: what you say, they got it.

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Speaker 2: He does.

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Speaker 1: He's got this chemistry with reason. Yeah, come on, their

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Speaker 1: offense is gonna score points. They're gonna score points, and

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be a handful to keep up with. So

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Speaker 1: at risk to keep up with them. And no question,

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Speaker 1: it's always been a thing with Josh because it's the

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Speaker 1: only thing That's the only thing you can point to

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Speaker 1: is the turnovers. That's it. Nothing else is a some

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Speaker 1: odd a flaw in his game. But he turns it

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Speaker 1: me tell you that they got one of the toughest

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Speaker 1: guys to ever beat was Dan Marino. And he holds it,

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Speaker 1: and he held the interception record forever forever. He didn't care.

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Speaker 1: Just give me the ball back. I'll get a touchdown

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Speaker 1: this time. That's the way Josh is. That's way this

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Speaker 1: score points. And any of these teams that's ahead of

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Speaker 1: Green Bay, any of these teams, Bill will go head

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Speaker 1: They ain't nobody doing that. They know that's a okay.

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Speaker 1: Even if even like a team like Cincinnati, they're looking like, okay,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm you know this, fine, rank them where

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Speaker 3: NFL dot COM's Chad Reider had Ray Davis on his

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Speaker 2: So make of it what you will, but some of

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Speaker 3: Maybe not right away, but yeah, the problem was come

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing you go to. What you want to say,

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Speaker 1: But Daikwon Hardy, I mean, he's a corner out of

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Speaker 3: I would anticipate he's primarily a punt returner, since that's

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Speaker 3: He's only on the field five times, he's six.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna go down, and you're gonna go down hard

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Speaker 1: There ain't there ain't no give at the bottom.

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Speaker 3: Elsewhere in the AFC East, we know that the Dolphins

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Speaker 2: Of a an impasse.

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Speaker 3: I guess that might be a strong word, but they're

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Speaker 3: Tyreek still makes more average annual value, but he's no

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Speaker 2: That belongs to Justin Jefferson. So here's the issue.

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Speaker 3: got three years left on this four year, one hundred

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Speaker 3: this is not a good precedent to set three years

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Speaker 3: that the Dolphins have their own precedent for this because

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Speaker 3: on a second, what the hell. I've been the guy

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Speaker 2: What gives?

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Speaker 3: Right? And so the Dolphins buckled back. Then in twenty

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Speaker 2: And let's not.

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Speaker 3: Forget this too, Steve, He'll said, ten years in the

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get out at twenty five years. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: play until he can't run. But the Dolphins have got

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of money forms are coming home to

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Speaker 1: And let's think about it. You picked the wrong guy

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Speaker 1: Now you don't want him, and you got to pay him.

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Speaker 1: And there's probably people in that building don't think they

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Speaker 1: not good enough. Tua doesn't make a perfect defensive call

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Speaker 1: And they couldn't beat a team with a winning record

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they had one win against a team with a

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's they've they've got some I mean, they're

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Speaker 1: That's a drought right there. That is because you're gonna

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Speaker 3: Well, you have one hundred and twenty million dollars going

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now the quarterback's sitting there like and he wants

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Speaker 3: And he gave one hundred and sixteen million to Bradley Chubb,

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Speaker 1: Of this last year. It's starting to tumble, right, The

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Speaker 1: I told you last year their off season plan was

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Speaker 1: to teach Tua how to get kicked, how to fall,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but Steve, not that we're soothsayers by any means.

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Speaker 3: You saw this coming. Yes, you knew they had to

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Speaker 3: not happy with some element of his contract that he

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Speaker 3: I guess remains to be seen.

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Speaker 2: And then we have our opinions on Tua.

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Speaker 3: I know the opinion of Tua in the Dolphins locker

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Speaker 2: Of the Miami area.

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Speaker 3: So you don't sign that guy to an extension. Your

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Speaker 1: If you can't move on for too late, it's too late.

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Speaker 1: They should have moved on from Tua. If they're going

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Speaker 1: It's too late. You you're done, so you can't change course.

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Speaker 1: Now Now you got to pay. You gotta pay for

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Speaker 2: Out, which I would do if I was.

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Speaker 1: To, if you're yes, right, you hold out, if you're Tua,

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna pay him the going rate? What are

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Speaker 3: Miami has seventeen million in cap space right now.

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Speaker 1: Oh that ain't even in the ballpark. That's not even

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Speaker 2: So you'd have to be right out of the shoot.

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Speaker 3: You already have to be creative and how you're structuring

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Speaker 3: they do have long lasting ramifications, and you can make

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Speaker 3: one of those decisions poorly and recover from it. But

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Speaker 3: we're looking at the Wattle deal, the Chubb deal, and

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Speaker 3: it's it's impacting the Hill contract in a negative way

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Speaker 3: that it's going to have to be amended, especially if

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Speaker 3: Hill keeps making a stink about it. And then TUA

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Speaker 3: they're in a bad spot because they don't want to

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Speaker 3: play pay top of the market money. But they waited

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Speaker 3: and waited and waited until the market got out of control.

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Speaker 3: If you signed them to an extension in March, you

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Speaker 3: know what, you probably could have got away with forty

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Speaker 3: seven million. Now the top of the market's fifty five.

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Speaker 2: Have fun with.

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Speaker 1: That's what the bills did, and now they got that's

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Speaker 1: eight million per the bills in four year. Think about

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Speaker 1: the Bills and the chiefs. They got it two. They

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Speaker 1: got the guys, right, Josh and Pat pat Is Josh

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Speaker 1: is like number ten or eleven now top played guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Patrick is what they can't remember.

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Speaker 2: But his number balloons here soon so they can redo it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, But man, right now they're just you gotta do

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Speaker 1: it when you as the moment, and I get it too.

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Speaker 1: Look at Kyler Murray. He started throwing a fit the

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Speaker 1: day he was eligible to get a new deal, and

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Speaker 1: they ponied up forty six a year. That's right, they

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Speaker 1: ponied up forty six year his uh yeah, and he's

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Speaker 1: gotten three agents. He's got thirty eight million cash total

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Speaker 1: this year. His dead cap hit would be one hundred

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Speaker 1: and eleven though he's not going anywhere, but it's ninth

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Speaker 1: nineteen point two percent of their cap. Right.

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Speaker 3: My educated guess on why Hill wants some kind of

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Speaker 3: modification to his contract is because he's got a bunch

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Speaker 3: of children he is expecting in the next calendar year.

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Speaker 3: With his various off the field endeavors, shall we say so,

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Speaker 3: my guess would be he needs more upfront money for

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Speaker 3: some of those costs. Whatever the case might be, it's

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Speaker 3: it threatens to put the Dolphins in an even more

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Speaker 3: precarious position than they already are with all of this

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Speaker 3: stuff hanging out there in the breeze on a tuay extension,

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Speaker 3: and the tuay extension is really the key to this

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Speaker 3: whole thing, for as far as the Dolphins are concerned.

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Speaker 3: Going forward, and I just don't see how the Dolphins

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Speaker 3: have any leverage here because they don't have a viable alternative.

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Speaker 3: And so it's Tua or they're gonna suck this, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's where they are.

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Speaker 2: Pay him, or you're gonna have.

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Speaker 3: A horrible year and you're gonna have to hope that

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Speaker 3: the quarterback class next spring can bail you out. And

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm I mean, you got Carson back

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Speaker 3: in next year.

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Speaker 1: It's either remember they tank for Tua and now it's like,

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Speaker 1: we don't want to pay it tank because of Tua,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, your right's gonna hold out and

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Speaker 1: now it's over and we got to you gotta go

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Speaker 1: back into the pool and see if we can draft

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Speaker 1: a better guy, a guy that we do want to

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Speaker 1: pay top of the top dollar two.

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Speaker 3: It's it's pretty interesting how the whole thing has played

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Speaker 3: out in Miami, and we haven't seen the conclusion yet,

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Speaker 3: but I am fascinated to know what it's going to be.

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Speaker 3: And I might even be more fascinated to know what

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Speaker 3: the approach from Tua and his camp is going to

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Speaker 3: be if they get to training camp and there's still

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Speaker 3: no extension yeah, because if I'm to his agent, I'm like,

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Speaker 3: we're playing hardball because they don't have a viable alternative

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Speaker 3: and they know it.

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Speaker 2: Got to take a break here.

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Speaker 3: When we come back, the NFL calendar is out, we'll

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Speaker 3: give you the dates for when rosters have to go

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Speaker 3: from ninety to fifty three and the trade deadline moved back. Now,

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Speaker 3: we'll let you know where it lands on the calendar

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Speaker 3: when we return here on One Bill's Live, presented by

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Speaker 3: Kilida Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right back here on One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 3: An abbreviated version here on Thursday, and just as a reminder,

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Speaker 3: we will be a one hour show again tomorrow barring

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Speaker 3: some unforeseen circumstances at the draft for the NHL SO

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Speaker 3: two to three tomorrow, as well as we're giving extended

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Speaker 3: coverage to Sabers Live in the NHL Draft tomorrow as

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Speaker 3: well as Marty and Duffer are out there in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: It's more, it's a Friday fan mail bag and.

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Speaker 3: The Obel Friday Fan mail Bag ready to roll for you.

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Speaker 3: to this to us. Add One Bills Live on Twitter

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Speaker 3: or during the show from two to three tomorrow, you

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Speaker 3: can give us a call a aighto three oh five

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Speaker 3: to fifty. The NFL calendar is out and the roster

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Speaker 3: cutdown from ninety to fifty three is a date that

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Speaker 3: a lot of fans want to know about. For all

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Speaker 3: NFL clubs, that magic date is August twenty seventh. For

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Speaker 3: those that don't remember, there used to be an initial

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Speaker 3: cut down from ninety to seventy five, and then actually

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Speaker 3: it went from seventy five to sixty, and then sixty

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Speaker 3: to fifty three.

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Speaker 2: They wipe the other ones in the middle.

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Speaker 3: Out, so now it is just ninety and then take

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Speaker 3: take a chainsaw to it and go all the way

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Speaker 3: down to fifty three and one fell swoop Yep.

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Speaker 1: That's a tough day.

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Speaker 2: August twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: Tough day is the day that is a tough day

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Speaker 1: day of the Turk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They cause you go out there and you think about

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Speaker 1: all these guys are here all through these OTAs. They're

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Speaker 1: in the team building process, they're in the position meetings,

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Speaker 1: they're getting to know the star players, the great players,

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Speaker 1: the role players. They all get together and then you

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Speaker 1: you chunk off half of them and they're gone.

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Speaker 3: Now conceivably most of the sixteen player practice squad will

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Speaker 3: be made up of some of those guys that are

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Speaker 3: released and don't make the fifty three. And that'll happen

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Speaker 3: twenty four hours after that, on August twenty eighth.

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Speaker 1: The weird part about it is handfuls of them disappear

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Speaker 1: forever and they go there. Now, this guy's into Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that guy's in Seattle, this guy's in Houston, this guy's

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Speaker 1: and you never. That's it, and it's the weirdest thing.

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Speaker 3: Trade deadline moved back to November fifth. NFL owners agrieve

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Speaker 3: to move the trade deadline back a week. Used to

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Speaker 3: be right around Halloween. It's November fifth this fall. That's

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Speaker 3: it for us today. We'll catch you tomorrow at two pm.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you that