Speaker 1: Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Sealers Podcast with your host. Now fuck that with your
Speaker 1: loaw glasses alone.
Speaker 2: So how was your birthday weekend? Next?
Speaker 3: Tell me I had a birthday season. I had a
Speaker 3: good time. I really had a good time. I relaxed.
Speaker 4: What's some birthday?
Speaker 3: I celebrated the whole season.
Speaker 4: Women is cra.
Speaker 1: It is standard in all of them, like they just
Speaker 1: like this month is about me.
Speaker 3: It is. I did, and I think my prayers is
Speaker 3: being answered. I'm officially a real jeweler now, like really
Speaker 3: about to be hands on with it downtown. I traveled,
Speaker 3: I got some rest, I got some money. You had
Speaker 3: a good time.
Speaker 4: Get some money. Um hm.
Speaker 3: So you know, anybody who trying to make a custom piece,
Speaker 3: go diamonds, all of that, let him know I got them.
Speaker 4: I might need that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so your bamboos is now real gold?
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, yeah, well I would still have those
Speaker 3: options for the people who want, you know, played it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we're moving.
Speaker 2: Up, Joey, y'all was your weekend?
Speaker 4: I went to church. I chilled with the church church. Okay, okay,
Speaker 4: I was it eight too damn much?
Speaker 2: Yeah, stop you stopping I'm gonna go walk arount as
Speaker 2: soon as we finished with this.
Speaker 4: Much, man, I just went and bought a gang of
Speaker 4: fruit and ship.
Speaker 5: I'm about to too much, man, and I.
Speaker 1: The best thing I ever started doing was looking for
Speaker 1: myself because I under it was weird is how much
Speaker 1: I know about nutrition? Shout out to how to by
Speaker 1: the honorable lives of Mohammed, but just simple science. Outside
Speaker 1: of everything I learned from that bucking shout out to
Speaker 1: Cam brother Cam and uhh yb Young Bro just really
Speaker 1: institute in a different level of discipline that I didn't
Speaker 1: even know was possible.
Speaker 2: But they really helped my health a lot. And man,
Speaker 2: it's everything I was just.
Speaker 4: I was just starting because I wanted to get them
Speaker 4: down measurement. They gave you that vitamin whole routine and.
Speaker 2: One thing about the nation.
Speaker 1: One thing about the nation, Bro, they going, I didn't
Speaker 1: know I said this on shout out to s O
Speaker 1: and Heineken from bag Fuel Podcasts. I just did their podcast.
Speaker 1: It just dropped like today.
Speaker 3: Watching it a little bit when I was working.
Speaker 1: Out, everybody said it was a really good podcast. Outside
Speaker 1: of they were just pressing me about gangs, which was awkward,
Speaker 1: but I get it.
Speaker 2: That's everybody's interest. You know what I'm saying. I can't
Speaker 2: help it.
Speaker 1: But the point I was saying, I said that to
Speaker 1: say that.
Speaker 2: I said that to say that.
Speaker 1: I noticed when they was talking to me about it,
Speaker 1: everybody keeps talking about a sound. When they think of
Speaker 1: West Coast hip hop, it's always a sound. And again,
Speaker 1: I think that's the the the entry level idea when
Speaker 1: it comes to hip hop is to think something has
Speaker 1: a sound right. And obviously I've been falling down this
Speaker 1: cultural I fell down at the bottom of this cultural
Speaker 1: rabbit hole and I had to climb my way back up,
Speaker 1: and it's been a long climb.
Speaker 2: Here here we are now I'm barely getting back up
Speaker 2: out of this hole, just climbing and looking around as
Speaker 2: I'm climbing up out of this rabbit hole that we
Speaker 2: call street urban culture on the West and one of
Speaker 2: the things that I've came to realize is there is
Speaker 2: no sound right. And it sounds crazy because we grew.
Speaker 1: Up our whole saying the West Coast sound, and this
Speaker 1: is the West Coast sound. And obviously some of the
Speaker 1: ideas are inspired by funk, and we did kind of
Speaker 1: take to funk a little bit more, but even that
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a sound, that would be more of a
Speaker 1: genre and a styling. So I decided to take this
Speaker 1: time on No Selings podcast to kind of because Joey
Speaker 1: we working hand in hand, you know, I mean on
Speaker 1: making records, and while you induce are phenomenal mcs and
Speaker 1: really great songwriters, being a record maker right is a
Speaker 1: different journey. It's not as like simple as making a
Speaker 1: dope rap or you know, even making a good song.
Speaker 1: It's more about translating culture through sonics, attitude through sonics,
Speaker 1: and that's what I wanted to really dedicate this podcast episode.
Speaker 1: Pete's not here, so it's just again this is No
Speaker 1: Selings Podcast. Last is Locan the house, my brother Pete
Speaker 1: and I here, but I got my niece DJ and
Speaker 1: a if y'all sometimes come to the live stream. Y'all
Speaker 1: see name on the live she's there again. She has
Speaker 1: a jewel a jewelry company. Make sure y'all follow her.
Speaker 1: Piece of Nate check her out. And I got my
Speaker 1: brother Joey Westside one High for the La Giants, one
Speaker 1: third of the one ten and Gray rap group that
Speaker 1: we're finishing up. And I just was gonna kind of teach,
Speaker 1: and if y'all allow me to. You know, I know
Speaker 1: y'all been in the business. You've been learning a lot now,
Speaker 1: probably since a baby to some degree. Joey, you was
Speaker 1: raising it because your dad and I got my man
Speaker 1: Jean like the voice of God. He ain't got no mic,
Speaker 1: but he could chime in just when he want to.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So niggas encyclopedia and you remember everything exactly.
Speaker 1: Do So I wanted to make sure that I taught
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking, so you know, even the listeners can hear.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna risk some stuff cause I'm gonna play
Speaker 1: some music I'm not We ain't live streaming, so we
Speaker 1: could put it on the stream.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, And I just want to teach so people hear
Speaker 2: this song right here. It is.
Speaker 5: One two bringing to the folk Snoop Doggie Dogg and
Speaker 5: Doctor Drake is a dope to make the difference, So
Speaker 5: back go up.
Speaker 4: Because you know what grip give like a buffle hopping
Speaker 4: and lone beasts.
Speaker 1: Together right, and they immediately be like, that's the West
Speaker 1: Coast Sam right, and I get wide because culturally they
Speaker 1: did such a great job of covering. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, what how we live as street urban people
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, even the attitude of the music. But
Speaker 1: to disprove the concept of it being West Coast culture,
Speaker 1: I mean, excuse me, a West Coast sound. Leon Heywood
Speaker 1: is from Texas initially, right, Leon Haywood is from Texas.
Speaker 2: Initially he's not from Los Angeles. There you go right here.
Speaker 4: You maybe he didn't overdo it when he did it too.
Speaker 1: So when people say something is a West Coast sound,
Speaker 1: that never makes sense, especially the further I get right.
Speaker 1: And it don't matter which classic song right that you
Speaker 1: decide that you're gonna go to to figure this idea out,
Speaker 1: You're going to keep running into the same concept.
Speaker 6: Right, if it's this.
Speaker 7: Song, Regulators regulate any stealing up his property.
Speaker 4: We're damn good too, But you can't be any geek
Speaker 4: off the street. You gotta be handy with the steal
Speaker 4: if you know what I mean, you keep.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: It was a clear black night, a clear white man woman.
Speaker 2: He was on the streets, trying to consume, search for
Speaker 2: to eat, so I could get some phones rolling in
Speaker 2: a wide.
Speaker 4: Get the east side of the LVC, A corpull of girls, they.
Speaker 1: Don't need a tweak or something right classic West Coast,
Speaker 1: we'll hear that. They'd be like, that's that West Coast sound.
Speaker 1: It sounded like the West Coast right, But upon research
Speaker 1: and understanding hip hop.
Speaker 2: Is that that I can't from missour I.
Speaker 4: Did he get that from somebody?
Speaker 2: To No, this is Mike's I think he bro.
Speaker 5: I think somebody else had this, or maybe I can't
Speaker 5: forget you got that from somebody.
Speaker 1: So again, it's one of those things where people think
Speaker 1: something is the West Coast sound because somebody took the
Speaker 1: cultural somebody took some some level of hip hop, you know,
Speaker 1: cultures or producer like a record producer took the turn
Speaker 1: to give this sonic an addam, and then they actually
Speaker 1: took the music right and decided, hey, I'm going to
Speaker 1: convey the street urban culture of the West Coast. But
Speaker 1: yet those two songs, particularly especially g Thang and Regulate,
Speaker 1: would be considered West Coast sounds. But when you listen
Speaker 1: to them, one is from the South, the other is
Speaker 1: from the Midwest.
Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with sound. And I can't
Speaker 2: stress this enough.
Speaker 1: In this time period where I keep hearing people use
Speaker 1: the term sound now there is some concepts of sounds right, like,
Speaker 1: and this is kind of what's wrong with hip hop
Speaker 1: right now, where you have people here a lead right,
Speaker 1: the Funky Worm, h.
Speaker 2: Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do.
Speaker 1: That's an Ohio thing, right, that's from the Funky Worm,
Speaker 1: the Ohio players. So again, things that culture popularizes kind
Speaker 1: of gives the creators to what you think is a sound,
Speaker 1: but it's also.
Speaker 2: Whacking hip hop, right. So it's like.
Speaker 1: It's whacking hip hop because now you have a bunch
Speaker 1: of guys making beats emulating what they think West Coast
Speaker 1: hip hop is or sounds like I shout out to
Speaker 1: my homeboy Saga, me and Saga was working on some ideas.
Speaker 1: He did some dope stuff. I sent it to you,
Speaker 1: Joey two beats. They was from both from Saga and
Speaker 1: Kiki Loko. Send him to you inducing the group chat
Speaker 1: and we was working on some ideas and I sent
Speaker 1: him this daft punk idea that I chopped up, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, let's flip this.
Speaker 2: We're gonna replay this and this. So when he.
Speaker 1: Did the record, right, the record itself, bro was like
Speaker 1: he added a baseline in the league and that was
Speaker 1: the first time in my life that I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I get what people mean when they say the West
Speaker 1: Coast Sam, but I also get why it comes across
Speaker 1: so regional. I also get why it comes across so regional.
Speaker 3: But do you think a sound on it? They just
Speaker 3: being kind of lazy.
Speaker 2: Being lazy. I don't think they supposed to know.
Speaker 1: I think they're so lazy is when I think you
Speaker 1: can do the work and you just don't take the time.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's probably closer to ignorant. They don't know.
Speaker 1: So they're taking what they feel about or things that
Speaker 1: they could recognize, like a lead right, or like a
Speaker 1: baseline being the centerpiece of a song, and the okay,
Speaker 1: that's West Coast versus that's funk m And if you
Speaker 1: identify and separate them and say, oh that's Funk, you
Speaker 1: could do more with the music.
Speaker 2: But if you start.
Speaker 1: Saying, oh, that's that West Coast SUND, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: limited to what you could do with the music. And
Speaker 1: the more I study this, right, I learned it the
Speaker 1: hard way. Every time there's a great idea right here,
Speaker 1: right all right, this idea is fantastic. Most people gonna
Speaker 1: feel like this sounded like the West Coast. It's one
Speaker 1: of their favorite songs that say, sound like the West Coast.
Speaker 2: But now again jebe here's a guy from socking All, Michigan.
Speaker 3: Now that's crazy.
Speaker 2: I never knew that was.
Speaker 6: I never knew that was a simple.
Speaker 4: All think it's a hit.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, the song, I knew the song. Yes, the
Speaker 6: Past Time Paradise, that's album.
Speaker 5: That time.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: So again, it's one of those things where laziness is
Speaker 1: what makes us say what we think. We don't even
Speaker 1: be tripping off what actually is happening. We're not tripping
Speaker 1: off what's happening. We just thinking, Okay, this sounds like
Speaker 1: the West Coast. This sounds like the West Coast, and
Speaker 1: it's way deeper. So there is no proverbial West Coast Sam.
Speaker 1: There's a pace of life, but there is no sund
Speaker 1: And I think this is the message that's important for
Speaker 1: me to disseminate amongst the new hip.
Speaker 2: Hop space.
Speaker 1: Because a lot of people are saying, hey, man, Kendrick
Speaker 1: opened the door for the West Coast.
Speaker 2: Oh man, he gave a West coast. That's not what happened.
Speaker 1: What he did was he made a cultural reset for
Speaker 1: hip hop period he removed kind of somebody whose presence
Speaker 1: was looming and very much compromising. He took the influence
Speaker 1: from that person. So now there is nobody to emulate,
Speaker 1: because obviously most of the rest of the country can't
Speaker 1: emulate what gn X sounds like. So now you're backstuff
Speaker 1: to doing what you think people around you want to hear.
Speaker 1: You don't have the luxury of emulating a bunch of
Speaker 1: guys from another country. You know what I'm saying, a
Speaker 1: bunch of guys from another country to make a record
Speaker 1: that your record label is gonna support, and while it
Speaker 1: does it, shout out to like I said to Berg
Speaker 1: aka hit Maker, because he was saying that, he was like,
Speaker 1: hey man, you know that dude set a target for us.
Speaker 1: But that never was the premise of hip hop in
Speaker 1: the first place. There was no targets. Matter of fact,
Speaker 1: people who hit the target, they were frowned upon. Shout
Speaker 1: out to somebody like Jermaine Dupre who really took a
Speaker 1: lot of shit because he understood how people were being
Speaker 1: successful in marketing, and he took a lot of marketing
Speaker 1: ideas even though his music was different, and he made
Speaker 1: sure but that just because the marketing part of it
Speaker 1: seemed familiar. People wanted to call him a biker, like
Speaker 1: I heard that at the highest level, highest level. So
Speaker 1: that's just been on my mind a lot. Every song
Speaker 1: that we think of as West Coast or it sounds
Speaker 1: like West Coast most likely is going to be from
Speaker 1: some other region.
Speaker 2: These were called Black classics.
Speaker 1: Leon Heywood, I want to Do Something Freaky to you
Speaker 1: is a Black classic.
Speaker 2: That's not.
Speaker 1: That's not a West Coast song. That's a black that
Speaker 1: was in Black households. So when Dre and Warren and
Speaker 1: everybody come together to make G Thanging Dog, right, they.
Speaker 2: Took a Black classic.
Speaker 1: So that's why when the song was coming out, it
Speaker 1: was no problem for it to be played around Black
Speaker 1: America hip hop spaces because it's a song that most
Speaker 1: everybody's mother and father played. So again, we'll start trying
Speaker 1: to be distinctive about drums, We'll start trying to be
Speaker 1: distinctive about claps. None of this shit belongs to a region,
Speaker 1: none of it.
Speaker 3: Do you think any region has a sound?
Speaker 2: No, No, you have.
Speaker 1: Hip hop inspired by genres, right, So the West Coast.
Speaker 1: A lot of West Coast hip hop is inspired by funk.
Speaker 1: That's what took a life right, but early in WA
Speaker 1: wasn't funky. That was more like mally yeah, quick quick,
Speaker 1: you know clear right, shout out to clear quick, shout
Speaker 1: out to too Short, too short. It's probably the true
Speaker 1: father of how we use funk music. He is the
Speaker 1: foundation in proof that he's the working model that it
Speaker 1: would work because he was the he would stay a
Speaker 1: funky a lot of the times, but even earlier songs
Speaker 1: like blow Joh, Betty, he you reggae. So again, him
Speaker 1: defining funk right is kind of how quick Like your
Speaker 1: dad talked to me about the stuff that they were
Speaker 1: playing when they was trying to get quick and he
Speaker 1: was starting to produce, and they wasn't listening to NWA.
Speaker 1: They were listening right, They were listening to they were
Speaker 1: listening to Too Short right around the same time, Don't fight.
Speaker 2: The feeling came out right around that same time. So
Speaker 2: this narrative that a region got a sound is not true.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: This is notsting point. There's another.
Speaker 3: So now you're just breaking down the beer, the wall
Speaker 3: between actually studying music for for real. Now, people who really.
Speaker 1: I'm merging what I would like to believe. Is I
Speaker 1: merging what I would like to believe is emerging. What
Speaker 1: makes hip hop hip hop?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, not so much.
Speaker 2: What makes hip hop? Actually what makes this.
Speaker 4: Is classic.
Speaker 6: Screw.
Speaker 2: But check this out.
Speaker 1: This group is from the West Coast, her Albert and
Speaker 1: the Tijuana Brass. So a lot of the stuff that
Speaker 1: we are we've been lazily shout out to the to
Speaker 1: the to the ancestors and the creators of this thing
Speaker 1: we call hip hop. And I'm not just talking about
Speaker 1: the the guys from the seventies and the eighties, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm not just talking about Her,
Speaker 1: I'm not just talking about Bam, I'm not talking about
Speaker 1: Egyptian Lover. I'm not even talking about them. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about all the way until you get to.
Speaker 2: Dre, Puff Tone and Polk, Warren Maull and all of them.
Speaker 1: Because what they understood about hip hop was it was
Speaker 1: built off black music.
Speaker 2: So and now we see that, right, that foundation.
Speaker 4: From the first.
Speaker 1: Records right now, moving on from the first record seventy
Speaker 1: nine to ninety six.
Speaker 2: We see that right, And that's how we.
Speaker 1: Define hip hop from okay, from seventy nine to ninety six,
Speaker 1: that's how we define hip hop. Were like this is
Speaker 1: what gives us our sounds. But the guys who created
Speaker 1: it that really broke all the barriers down, that's not
Speaker 1: how they saw it. They didn't have hip hop to
Speaker 1: look at. They were too busy making hip hop to
Speaker 1: stare at just hip hop.
Speaker 2: Imagine if Pup.
Speaker 1: He doesn't look at Herb Albert and the Tijuana Brass,
Speaker 1: which is a jazz band that's a number.
Speaker 2: One song in the country.
Speaker 1: Herb Albert Rise, the sample that they used to make Hypnotized,
Speaker 1: is an instrumental number one record in the country. It's
Speaker 1: an instrumental record, a jazz record. So again, what I
Speaker 1: like about that generation is they didn't have hip hop
Speaker 1: to look at.
Speaker 2: They were too busy making it.
Speaker 1: And that's where I think for hip hop to have
Speaker 1: a chance because shout out to the Hummy, shout out
Speaker 1: to Doc because he gave it a chance to go further.
Speaker 1: Because ever since Kanye got the rock right, Kanye set
Speaker 1: it off into a spirals. Kanye became a model that
Speaker 1: everybody could emulate. You can go as wild as a
Speaker 1: kid cutting, you can go Jack Harlowe, you can go Drake,
Speaker 1: you can go a million other things that were outside
Speaker 1: of possibly street, urban culture, and people thought that that
Speaker 1: felt the void of hip hop, even though that voice
Speaker 1: means a lot. That voice supposed to really represent a
Speaker 1: group of people.
Speaker 2: That can't speak.
Speaker 1: But all of these people that's been following that mold
Speaker 1: they have a voice already in mainstream media.
Speaker 2: Drake was actually a part of a show. Like his
Speaker 2: voice was in mainstream media.
Speaker 1: His existence was already there, not just him as a person,
Speaker 1: but the character that he grew up being was already there,
Speaker 1: to the point to where he decided, like, I need
Speaker 1: to be like them niggas.
Speaker 4: That's the cool shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is why I think he came in the
Speaker 1: game in the first place. I think he was pursuing cool.
Speaker 1: I think money mattered, but I think he was pursuing
Speaker 1: he was tired of being the not cool person and
Speaker 1: hip hop has always been the cool thing, so that
Speaker 1: became people's door. So I think it's important because of
Speaker 1: what Dot did over these last eight.
Speaker 2: Or nine months.
Speaker 1: He made such a cultural reset and hip hop that it's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be hard for them to pass another Drake.
Speaker 3: And you want to know something too. Even when you
Speaker 3: played that song forgetting so, I remember listening to what's
Speaker 3: that channel? Is that the wave and being able to
Speaker 3: and being able to spot the sample or whatever beat
Speaker 3: was used in the hip hop song. So I was
Speaker 3: like obsessed with finding simples at one point in my life,
Speaker 3: like what song is getting down to, like the root
Speaker 3: of the song. So basically, what you're trying to say
Speaker 3: is that hip hop is just an extension of just
Speaker 3: black music period. It's not about this region, average in
Speaker 3: that region, and it's not about chasing a sound to
Speaker 3: get the next hit, but just keep extending black music
Speaker 3: as a whole.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you play it.
Speaker 2: It's street, urban coachure built on black music. That's what
Speaker 2: hip hop records are about.
Speaker 7: Street about the West Coast sound didn't start till g
Speaker 7: thing that it was all breakbeat.
Speaker 2: It was. It was just hip hop, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 7: It was a West Coast look. So they had to
Speaker 7: finally match the look with the sund laid back niggas,
Speaker 7: Jamie curl Low Riders. That's the West Coast seal. It's
Speaker 7: really a West Coast look when you think about it, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: So again it's like, yes, now, there there are some
Speaker 1: things that are obvious, right, the West Coast built, you know,
Speaker 1: West Coast hip hop built you know, when it became
Speaker 1: its own thing, it's built its premise off funk a
Speaker 1: lot harder than everybody else. Right, you got Warren g
Speaker 1: who used Michael McDonald, which is kind of like a
Speaker 1: jazzy funk. Right, Quick built his stuff off to me
Speaker 1: like a disco funk, clear real disco.
Speaker 2: We feel dre Obviously everybody can see the p.
Speaker 1: Funk passed down to him from a hutch and everything
Speaker 1: that they was doing.
Speaker 4: Battle Cat took that.
Speaker 1: Battle Cat did an R and B funk right here
Speaker 1: like battle Cat for example, right.
Speaker 4: There you go, who's your boy too?
Speaker 5: From the band man I was doing that, was doing
Speaker 5: a lot of beats for Foldy and all that.
Speaker 4: That always normally the talk box to.
Speaker 2: Talk about about Bosco.
Speaker 6: Yeah, my music.
Speaker 2: A free class. You get.
Speaker 5: Black classes, definitely a black class.
Speaker 6: My favorite song ever.
Speaker 4: I'm mother fucker artist like that could have been an
Speaker 4: instrumental hate.
Speaker 3: Huh Man, You thought who I wanted to ask you
Speaker 3: about speaking of this conversation because you have a song
Speaker 3: with him, Raphael, because you don't think people give him
Speaker 3: his just my favorite singer, because I think he understands
Speaker 3: exactly what you're talking about everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is like a master. He's a different type
Speaker 1: of master. But even as an R and B producer,
Speaker 1: it's about knowing what's happening right here, you go right,
Speaker 1: slow down and play this week in freaking Ray Parker's
Speaker 1: from Detroit. So the attitude of something is more related
Speaker 1: to culture than sound. So the first tier understanding of
Speaker 1: what's happening is sound. But I think because a lot
Speaker 1: of us are professionals now, we don't have the luxury
Speaker 1: of trying to emulate sound, especially at a time.
Speaker 2: Where hip hop.
Speaker 1: Everybody is spoiled with the presence of hip hop, like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the cultural movement. They've had
Speaker 1: it now on records for forty plus years, roughly forty
Speaker 1: six years this year. The first record is is if
Speaker 1: the first record that gets credited is is, or at
Speaker 1: least the first hit record is in seventy nine, which
Speaker 1: is you know, rappers Delight. Right now, it's twenty five,
Speaker 1: I mean, so that's forty five years of having hip hop.
Speaker 5: Which is why they start sampling the hip hop records
Speaker 5: versus going deeper and deeper into fining because it's so
Speaker 5: much you even from that beat right there though you
Speaker 5: it's so much even from that music way, you take
Speaker 5: and do other shit with it that ain't we can
Speaker 5: freak it. It's like whether the top, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. The guitar is so much you could do,
Speaker 5: so that's dope. So yeah, most people ain't doing that.
Speaker 5: They just going to what they're familiar with and then
Speaker 5: trying to emulate that, and then it become diet and
Speaker 5: now you got diet, diet diet.
Speaker 3: Wasn't it Lotto? When she was on that song with
Speaker 3: Mariah Carey or something like that, she didn't even I
Speaker 3: don't think she even knew that was a Mariah Carey song.
Speaker 3: What song was that that she had? Did she did
Speaker 3: some song it was like one of her biggest records.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, she didn't even know that was Mariah Carey.
Speaker 1: But if you notice, like I said that, the conversation
Speaker 1: about sound like the West Coast, the West Coast, the
Speaker 1: West Coast built it's hip hop.
Speaker 2: You know, it's hip hop music off of funk.
Speaker 1: But there was always people that did a little something different,
Speaker 1: but that's it. The South built it off of blues
Speaker 1: for the most part, mid West built it off R
Speaker 1: and B. In the East Coast tend to favorite jazz, right,
Speaker 1: which is crazy when you think of hypnotized by Biggie
Speaker 1: knowing that's a Herb Albert Tijuana brass jazz song.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: Even songs like like Juicy, people consider that more jazz
Speaker 1: than funk.
Speaker 2: The original song.
Speaker 5: Yeah, even so, a lot of these people is introduced
Speaker 5: to funk from West Coast.
Speaker 2: So they automatically, so they don't ain't like they don't know.
Speaker 1: Not just no, they don't. They don't know that that's
Speaker 1: they think that's West Coast.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, versus competent. So we put our culture with it.
Speaker 5: Low riders, the way we dance like you said, niggas
Speaker 5: with the j curls.
Speaker 6: The music.
Speaker 7: Niggas a gang gang bang too. What happened, we said,
Speaker 7: But all the music niggas funny, gripping blood too and
Speaker 7: low riding too, right, and made that ship popular.
Speaker 3: Yes, a question what makes because I remember Beyonce said
Speaker 3: something in her post Grammy interview about the main instrument
Speaker 3: in country music and the history of it. So what
Speaker 3: is the instrument or what makes funk funk? What is that?
Speaker 3: Is it a baseline?
Speaker 6: Yes, when it starts the one.
Speaker 1: The one thing is when the mid frequency is driving
Speaker 1: the song. So it's the baseline the brass when those
Speaker 1: are the main melodies. Shout out to Warren g. He
Speaker 1: says something really dope about G funk that really applies
Speaker 1: to funk music as well. Right, I'm gonna read it
Speaker 1: versus me trying to rap it and make sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: any whenever the bassline is the main star of the
Speaker 1: melody of a song, that song is for the most
Speaker 1: part funk.
Speaker 3: Okay, because I asked that because the last song that
Speaker 3: Cardi dropped when Meghan was at Bongo's, she said that
Speaker 3: was funk. But I had never heard funk like that before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I probably would be careful listening to them,
Speaker 1: crazy people. I'm tweaking into a whole new era. G
Speaker 1: funk stepped to this idea.
Speaker 2: You funk on a.
Speaker 1: Whole new level. The rhythm is the bass and the
Speaker 1: bass is the treble.
Speaker 7: I never thought about that that way. That's it. That's
Speaker 7: the recipe, so.
Speaker 4: You basically given it to you.
Speaker 1: It's when the med is driving the song. So like
Speaker 1: a James Brown song, doom Doom, Doom, Doom, Doom, don't
Speaker 1: don't don't win a mid normally songs or an R
Speaker 1: and B. It's a it's a combination of chords and
Speaker 1: bass and blues. It's different, it's different feels. But I
Speaker 1: am a specialist.
Speaker 2: At what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Things built off of that West Coast hip hop built
Speaker 1: off of. But the point I'm saying is there is
Speaker 1: no sound. See the sound is whatever, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. However, you can culturally bring together and present
Speaker 1: the attitude of West Coast over music. Now, if you're
Speaker 1: emulating trap, you're going to be challenged because trap is
Speaker 1: going to be spoken for. The attitude is spoken for.
Speaker 1: If you're going to drill music, the attitude is spoken for.
Speaker 1: You're gonna use boom back, the attitude is poken for.
Speaker 1: That's the trick, you.
Speaker 6: Know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Culture, street, urban culture. It's a lot of attitude in it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. However you want to do it.
Speaker 1: It could be extra laid back, it could be extra aggressive,
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be unique to this place for the
Speaker 1: most part.
Speaker 2: So I've just been thinking about that more and more.
Speaker 1: The confusion, and that's every song we could think of.
Speaker 1: Hell really the only song that's a smash hit record
Speaker 1: from the West Coast that sampled like a West Coast
Speaker 1: band was YG's toutedn't booted. They sampled the association, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, from Orange County, a band you
Speaker 1: never heard of, which is pretty much the only genre
Speaker 1: of music that comes from the West Coast. That's real musicianship,
Speaker 1: which is the sunshine pop.
Speaker 4: And that's what Beach Boys did too.
Speaker 2: Right, Sunshine pop.
Speaker 1: That's the West Coast, that's the West Coast. If there
Speaker 1: was a sound, no sound. But again I always say this,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna sound raggedy. Hip hop is not necessarily
Speaker 1: about the best music. Now, don't kill me. Whoever listened
Speaker 1: to this podcast, I'm not dissing us. I'm if you
Speaker 1: heard a Marvin Gaye album or Luther Vandross album and
Speaker 1: you listen to a Snoop Dog album, it's just different.
Speaker 2: It's just way different. Like shout out the dog Dog
Speaker 2: know what I think of it. But Luther Van.
Speaker 1: Draws never too much album Dog's Doggie style. It's not
Speaker 1: even close. Doggie style is way better when it comes
Speaker 1: to just music. But what makes hip hop special is
Speaker 1: the cultural things happening in your ear. It's the it's
Speaker 1: the it's the attitude.
Speaker 4: It's just the thing. Though, it's the.
Speaker 1: Conveyance of how we live our lives that makes it,
Speaker 1: that gives it a chance to even compete or surpass
Speaker 1: of Luther Van Dross Never too Much.
Speaker 2: Luther Vandross sings so fucking.
Speaker 1: Good it should be no way possible a Snoop dog
Speaker 1: Doggie style. It's better than Luther Van Draws Never too
Speaker 1: much the music and close Luther is a way better
Speaker 1: producer than Drake as far as musicianship. But when you
Speaker 1: add in that street urban culture element, that thing that
Speaker 1: makes it cool, you add in this new lingo, you
Speaker 1: adding this never saw before attitude, this this this very
Speaker 1: underrepresented way of life and living and shit, you can
Speaker 1: get a doggie style that is going to perform and
Speaker 1: be a greater artistic piece and a more celebrated and
Speaker 1: financially viable piece than Luther fucking Van Draws.
Speaker 7: Snoop, Them niggas moved the culture. Them niggas changed the
Speaker 7: weed scope in the city. Couldn't even smoke fucking stress
Speaker 7: no more. Got be the chronic that chronic niggas A
Speaker 7: laugh at your ass boy. After the album, Drop.
Speaker 1: Draws, who's probably the best, the best male vocalist of
Speaker 1: all time? Right, who is one of the best producers
Speaker 1: of all time, could play every instrument in that motherfucker right,
Speaker 1: write his ass off against Doctor Dre and Snoop, who
Speaker 1: can't play no instruments. Neither one of them could out
Speaker 1: sing Rick James. They couldn't even out seen Rick James.
Speaker 1: They couldn't now seen Keith Sweat nigga, you.
Speaker 6: Know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And none of them could play no fucking instrument. Could
Speaker 1: make a greater artistic piece and a more financially valuable
Speaker 1: piece than fucking Luther Van.
Speaker 4: Draws that.
Speaker 6: Year.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's ass.
Speaker 1: That's the value of street urban culture personify through these
Speaker 1: art to elements, this thing we call hip hop. Your
Speaker 1: culture is everything levels, it changes the levels of it's
Speaker 1: Luther Vandraws.
Speaker 3: I never thought sat.
Speaker 1: In front of seven eleven in rap lyrics, he might
Speaker 1: make thirty dollars very Snoop freestyling, he might make thirty dollars.
Speaker 1: And that's good because it's hard to make some money
Speaker 1: as a rapper in front of the store. If Luther
Speaker 1: Vandras sang out in front of the fucking seven eleven,
Speaker 1: that nigga could probably afford a fucking house in a
Speaker 1: suburb still right, that's how many motherfuckers to be dropping money.
Speaker 1: Imagine you walking seven eleven joint, dude like, man, you
Speaker 1: got a dollar? I sing a song and you're like
Speaker 1: what you got? And that nigga starts singing never too much.
Speaker 5: It sounded like Luke I walked out of and it
Speaker 5: was a white dude playing a guitar, singing send Indian style,
Speaker 5: and I was so moved.
Speaker 4: I was like this nigga.
Speaker 2: Fire, Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 5: Years you nigga, you too, fire bath man, and.
Speaker 1: That's the And so when people were like, a dude
Speaker 1: was just asking me, he was like, well, glets you
Speaker 1: think too much of culture see money, I'm like, money
Speaker 1: don't mean nothing like I get that money mean the
Speaker 1: world to you because you don't got nothing else. But
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this and I'm like, Luther Van draws,
Speaker 1: album is not as successful as fucking Doggie Style. Luther
Speaker 1: Van Draws.
Speaker 3: If these niggas have money, we wouldn't even we wouldn't
Speaker 3: have all this good music.
Speaker 7: Year before it whipped. Prince asked, I'm saying that album
Speaker 7: is amazing. It's just a culture like you said, that.
Speaker 2: Is, and That's what I'm trying to tell them when
Speaker 2: they want.
Speaker 1: When everybody hear me say culture over and over again
Speaker 1: and shout out to my knees cause pumping and shout
Speaker 1: out to DoD you know, because I'm preaching too. They
Speaker 1: preaching it, and I'm like, it can make doggy style
Speaker 1: better than fucking never too much. Nick, It's Luther fucking
Speaker 1: Van Draws.
Speaker 3: It's the influence too. It's the cool that comes with it.
Speaker 1: Street urban culture, every part about it, like Luther Vandross.
Speaker 1: You feel me like Luther Vandross, one of the best
Speaker 1: male vocalists in history who can produce and play his
Speaker 1: ass off and the fucking doggy style.
Speaker 3: At the same time. I think of it as too.
Speaker 3: A hip hop is like the combination of all the
Speaker 3: black music stough, it's the disruptor. Is the combination is
Speaker 3: to we could take all everything jazz, blues, funk, and
Speaker 3: we're gonna do it this way, but the same you
Speaker 3: know recipes, we just gonna do it this way. So
Speaker 3: it's like the combination of it.
Speaker 1: And it's it's crazy because it's starts off as street
Speaker 1: urban culture.
Speaker 6: Black.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it starts as street urban culture built on black music,
Speaker 1: on black as far as the as far as the
Speaker 1: rapping side, the record side, but.
Speaker 2: Now like it's like it's like how we cook tacos.
Speaker 2: It's even crazy enough. You could do it to some
Speaker 2: fucking Spanish ship.
Speaker 1: You could take some Spanish ship right like like.
Speaker 2: Like Big pun I don't want to be a player
Speaker 2: no more.
Speaker 1: You could take some Spanish ship and put street urban
Speaker 1: culture on top of that ship.
Speaker 2: It makes some ship everybody wants. It's like nigga tacos.
Speaker 1: You know, like we all had nigga tacos growing up,
Speaker 1: Like the taco is a.
Speaker 4: He only eight nigga tacos.
Speaker 5: We need to get tacos from taco spots growing up,
Speaker 5: strip bro after or.
Speaker 1: Fire, but tacos are fire from the start bro. Regular
Speaker 1: tacos are fire.
Speaker 3: Streetco street tacos are I have some real.
Speaker 1: Do to make something right, You to do something, to
Speaker 1: make something that was actually you would eat. That's an
Speaker 1: emulation of that. That's what hip hop is. A nigga taco,
Speaker 1: like you could take something like a street taco, street
Speaker 1: taco fire rod of no no, no, no, no, you
Speaker 1: know what, I ain't finna make that fresh, So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take this.
Speaker 2: I'ma fry this shell in grease, and you know what.
Speaker 1: This meat, this is cheap meat, but it's too expensive.
Speaker 1: Let me get the ground version of that meat that's
Speaker 1: even cheaper. Let me get the ground version of cheap
Speaker 1: meat that y'all using to make street top. I'm a
Speaker 1: ground that ship up. I'm gonna fry that with some seasoning.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm man cheese, letters and tomatoes and some
Speaker 1: hot sauce.
Speaker 2: That's hip hop.
Speaker 1: Hip hop can improve on like fire shit, like street tacos.
Speaker 1: It can improve on street tacos. So to keep reducing
Speaker 1: it down into a sund it's just fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 1: None of this ship is the West Coast sound except
Speaker 1: to didn't it. As far as hip hop goes, everything
Speaker 1: is built off of ship invented.
Speaker 2: Remember the West didn't invent nothing but sunshine.
Speaker 6: Pop.
Speaker 2: Niggas didn't come.
Speaker 1: To this motherfucker to the last couple of days California.
Speaker 1: Far Ain't nobody been in No motherfucking California. That was nobody.
Speaker 2: But have we like natives?
Speaker 4: This?
Speaker 2: It is far like you start, you start in Virginia
Speaker 2: and people start in New York because it's a long.
Speaker 5: Well as far as the motherfucker take a lot of
Speaker 5: genres before they got here, and nobody else is gonna
Speaker 5: play Sunshine Populf.
Speaker 4: It's like, we just got us. But that's what.
Speaker 3: What do you think it is about our side that
Speaker 3: made it that makes it so? And what is it
Speaker 3: about the West coast? And we all the way over here?
Speaker 3: But we just made this big impact?
Speaker 1: What it is we like the niggas that gamble? Who
Speaker 1: the fuck comes way over here? How far this motherfucker
Speaker 1: is from where niggas started at in Virginia, nice and
Speaker 1: in Louisiana.
Speaker 2: That's far.
Speaker 1: You had to be a gambling ass nigga to come
Speaker 1: way over here this far. Think about it. Niggas wasn't
Speaker 1: catching planes and ship Niggas wasn't catching no planes. That
Speaker 1: was a ride in a wagon.
Speaker 6: What you mean to move here? Back back then?
Speaker 2: Think about it.
Speaker 6: My grandparents all four worked for.
Speaker 7: McDonald douglas and they all had jobs there prior to
Speaker 7: moving here. That was the force that actually had them
Speaker 7: drive here. You know, a job that that was waiting
Speaker 7: for him.
Speaker 2: Think about that job there, Think about the jobs there.
Speaker 2: You would have left that job. It was like I'm
Speaker 2: going over here. These niggas.
Speaker 1: They want me to go two thousand miles to the
Speaker 1: what the fuck is in California? So it's the wildest
Speaker 1: motherfuckers in the world. This is the wild West. It's
Speaker 1: a different everything. It's just a different sentiment. But I
Speaker 1: don't think our culture is no better than anybody else's.
Speaker 1: I think we all got, you know, like like we.
Speaker 6: All got, We're much better. No, don't do that, we
Speaker 6: are much better.
Speaker 1: What I am gonna say is the fact that we
Speaker 1: have Hollywood helps.
Speaker 3: We take a lot of pride, though I don't say
Speaker 3: that we are very like, but.
Speaker 1: But everybody used to have that same pride in poverty
Speaker 1: because it's.
Speaker 2: Think about the cash money niggas.
Speaker 1: Them niggas used to be wearing band Danner's T shirts
Speaker 1: and bowls, And first off, they weren't Readboy classics. That's
Speaker 1: kind of you're right, I take that back. That's kind
Speaker 1: of expensive compared to All Star mm hmmm. I think
Speaker 1: the cheapest Rebout Classics I can remember is like thirty
Speaker 1: four to ninety nine.
Speaker 6: But I even think with Persuade, with the funny material.
Speaker 2: With the gum bottom.
Speaker 6: With the with the all all white soul.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the leather with the two straps. Always was like
Speaker 3: top of the top.
Speaker 2: That's yeah.
Speaker 1: Say what I'm saying is even take the shoe to shoot.
Speaker 1: We still got the cheapest ship. That make you think
Speaker 1: of the West coast. And culture is all about pride
Speaker 1: and poverty. Like people hate when I said.
Speaker 2: That, ain't just being poor and culture nigga.
Speaker 1: Culture is all about necessity when you need to do something,
Speaker 1: if you could ship.
Speaker 4: If you already got the ship, Yeah, why would you Why.
Speaker 1: Would you eat a taco if you got money? Like
Speaker 1: people think, oh it's good. Nobody would have came up
Speaker 1: with that. A taco or some ship you get when
Speaker 1: you don't got a lot of money. You need to
Speaker 1: make some ship go a long way. The bread that's
Speaker 1: not near one pot meal, Joe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's like chili.
Speaker 3: Always say chili is a po man's.
Speaker 1: Spaghetti pasta sauce. It is called gravy in Italy. That's gravy.
Speaker 1: That's all the old tomatoes and old She's gonna put
Speaker 1: all this ship in the pot, mix this up, the seasoning,
Speaker 1: cook it a little bit, bring it back, and put
Speaker 1: this ship on some cheap ass starch pasta.
Speaker 2: That's what it's all about.
Speaker 7: Same, the same things made it made it boozy with
Speaker 7: the big strimp. We used to have the sausage and
Speaker 7: chi and a few legs every now and then.
Speaker 6: It was fine. Her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so again, so our pride.
Speaker 6: In our grandmother French Nigga.
Speaker 1: So so our pride and our poverty is a lot
Speaker 1: different because we do got dickies m hm.
Speaker 2: And that's cheap. Chucks is cheap and too.
Speaker 3: It wasn't. I mean, okay, I'm not gonna I don't
Speaker 3: know the numbers, but there was a lot of rich
Speaker 3: black families in the South too though, like I'm not slaves.
Speaker 3: It was a lot of rich black family versus we
Speaker 3: was just.
Speaker 2: We were just talking about that that they call it.
Speaker 2: The bulet m h.
Speaker 6: Still exist.
Speaker 3: Because I met the I'm at the one of the granddaughters,
Speaker 3: our great granddaughters who family owned Harold and Bells. And
Speaker 3: when I used to work at the whack center, I
Speaker 3: met her and she said her family wasn't slaves.
Speaker 6: They wasn't.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. It's still open. But she take me was
Speaker 3: is that it's still in a family. But the reason
Speaker 3: why the food might taste different because it might be
Speaker 3: a different part of the family that's owning that.
Speaker 4: Of all the food.
Speaker 3: Different Now they rotate families who yeah, people who own
Speaker 3: it in the family. So that's what it is.
Speaker 6: It's not soulful. It's creole food.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. It used to be sould for creole fool.
Speaker 2: It used to be both.
Speaker 6: If I went there for one of my family creo food,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 3: But she told me, she said he they weren't slaves.
Speaker 3: They weren't in her family. They had money down south.
Speaker 3: A lot of people in LA didn't have money. Black people,
Speaker 3: they didn't have money.
Speaker 2: No, it really wasn't a bunch of black rich families
Speaker 2: out here.
Speaker 1: There's a long way to come. But New Orleans, New
Speaker 1: Orleans is not. While New Orleans is probably the best
Speaker 1: food to get in America, is not the best place
Speaker 1: to get sold for for sure. Again, it is a
Speaker 1: little bit more remember the French, It is a little
Speaker 1: bit more ritzy. That's crazy as you think about, it's
Speaker 1: a little bit more ritzy than the rest of the
Speaker 1: country because it is that that rich French history that
Speaker 1: mixed on that food, and it's a ton.
Speaker 4: Of season who known for the soul food.
Speaker 1: The poorest places Alabama, Mississippi.
Speaker 2: Places where you can get a house.
Speaker 4: The houses on sticks and ship.
Speaker 1: Detroit is an underrated good soul food place. You're gonna
Speaker 1: get some really good food in Detroit. They gonna have
Speaker 1: really creating some ship.
Speaker 3: Still, I say Mississippi too, Mississippi.
Speaker 2: The Mississippi, Alabama, Oklahoma. You're gonna get some.
Speaker 3: Flowers and not just the fact that they know how
Speaker 3: to season. They really put love in that food.
Speaker 4: Like it's really.
Speaker 1: Remember the love went there because that ship what you
Speaker 1: want supposed to even be cooking that ship? What kind
Speaker 1: of green vegetable do you gotta cook for four hours
Speaker 1: to make it tender?
Speaker 4: Listen, think about imagine if.
Speaker 1: You cook cabbage for four hours, No fuck cabbage. Imagine
Speaker 1: if you could spendence for four hours, that's.
Speaker 4: Juice, that's you're juice.
Speaker 2: It feel me four hours.
Speaker 1: So you had to put love in that ship because
Speaker 1: you was trying to make some ship that you was
Speaker 1: not supposed to eat a.
Speaker 3: Bit to make it spread too.
Speaker 1: For about people talk about ship about chillings, to about
Speaker 1: how long it takes or how it smell.
Speaker 2: Look at what the fuck it is? How you whipped
Speaker 2: that into something that tastes good?
Speaker 1: Ship goes through those fucking things and then they do
Speaker 1: so much ship and make it delicious.
Speaker 4: I never had it.
Speaker 2: Oh, they fired me and Jean had them, and I
Speaker 2: know the fire.
Speaker 6: I can't eat.
Speaker 2: To fuck them up. People that crave chip they were,
Speaker 2: They're fucking delicious. Think about House crazy.
Speaker 4: Now though I grew up on him.
Speaker 1: Remember remember the Tale of a Cow. Nobody wanted that ship.
Speaker 3: Yo, the ox Oh, I can't wait to go to Jamaica.
Speaker 3: I'm a missive ox tails.
Speaker 4: Expensive and ship. They see what I'm saying. So this
Speaker 4: is the power of coaching for them on fries.
Speaker 6: With them all kinds of ship with him.
Speaker 1: Man shout out to the homeboy many man, he say,
Speaker 1: a boy, man, he say that ship ain't no motherfucking
Speaker 1: fucking oxtail.
Speaker 2: He said, that's cheek, that's beef cheek. He said, they
Speaker 2: fooling us.
Speaker 4: I think I heard somebody else.
Speaker 5: It might have been Douce who told me that, like Nigga,
Speaker 5: these ain't oxtail like they they full of ship, because
Speaker 5: how you put an oxtail on When you think about it,
Speaker 5: that's a different type of shop.
Speaker 4: Ass man. You don't.
Speaker 5: They don't even it's a different thing. So yeah, it's
Speaker 5: like Yeah, that's some bullshit, I believe.
Speaker 4: So again, it's like up in the price for that shit.
Speaker 2: Though hip hop is in a really.
Speaker 1: Hip hop is in a really great position. We got
Speaker 1: an extra life that jazz didn't get. We got the
Speaker 1: extra life that rock and roll didn't get. We got
Speaker 1: the extra life that country music didn't get.
Speaker 4: Because we could take all they shit and make it
Speaker 4: hip hop.
Speaker 1: Not just that I'm saying we got an extra life
Speaker 1: because of what the homie did. Because the homie bumped
Speaker 1: that boy off, and now it's like, okay, we can't
Speaker 1: we can't stick another one in his place right now.
Speaker 4: They too had to turn up and do it right.
Speaker 1: So now if you want to do business and hip hop,
Speaker 1: you gotta come through the source right now. Every whether
Speaker 1: nobody admitting it, everybody's worried.
Speaker 2: Because they like, hold up. I think these niggas is
Speaker 2: up on it. He like every time Drake says somethings,
Speaker 2: be like, nah.
Speaker 4: Nigga, you ain't there, you ain't the real.
Speaker 1: Like like I heard the nigga say today, shout out
Speaker 1: to the to the nigga that said today, he was like,
Speaker 1: he was like, that's like when he said the ship
Speaker 1: about the strippers with dictionary, Like nigga was wrong with
Speaker 1: a dictionary.
Speaker 2: I was like, niggas is up on it, so that.
Speaker 3: He chasing chasing him hits, chasing the sound, chasing that
Speaker 3: number one hit.
Speaker 5: He do say a lot of uncool ship to try
Speaker 5: to make it. It's like, how are you? Like, yeah,
Speaker 5: like what are you talking about? First of all, you
Speaker 5: know how many college bitches stripped? Shut up nigga.
Speaker 1: But it's like and then he said that, He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he said this about strippers and dictionary.
Speaker 2: And I was thinking to.
Speaker 1: Myself like, oh you caught that because when I heard
Speaker 1: that line, I was like, man, I'll be like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: people think this line is dope, like it's something wrong
Speaker 1: with if a strippers start to read.
Speaker 2: And then he said that, I was like, oh.
Speaker 3: He never saw best man.
Speaker 4: In school. Like I'm just I go to school in
Speaker 4: San Diego.
Speaker 3: That's why I said he never saw the best man.
Speaker 3: Remember Regina.
Speaker 5: Regina was like, no black man, No nigga gonna say that,
Speaker 5: bro Like but yeah, and only Kencher was able to
Speaker 5: do it and highlight like look how uncool is man?
Speaker 3: But I remembering the best man. Regina Hall was a stripper.
Speaker 3: Candy was a stripper, but she was in school.
Speaker 1: But the fact that he tried to make it like
Speaker 1: reading or knowing words was bad. Like when it came
Speaker 1: to strippers and then for that guy for that, and
Speaker 1: then for that guy to catch it.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, the jig is up, niggas is
Speaker 2: catching up because I started.
Speaker 3: I was just watching Ebro in the in the deska
Speaker 3: today I was working out, And that's what Ebro said
Speaker 3: when he was talking about the halftime show where he
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, you know it did people did want that,
Speaker 3: you know, Okay, we're just supposed to party now whatever.
Speaker 3: But he was like, Hendrick kat made it to where
Speaker 3: now you gotta think, like, you know, you gotta it's
Speaker 3: not just about oh I just want a nostalgia of
Speaker 3: your hits. It's like, well, you making me think now,
Speaker 3: like I don't want to do that. And he was like,
Speaker 3: that's why a lot of people was upset. But I
Speaker 3: think a lot of people just have been, for lack
Speaker 3: of a better term, they just been on snooze, like
Speaker 3: they've been in the loop, like they just been you know,
Speaker 3: and the matrix kind of stuck like the same music
Speaker 3: has been being put out and the same everything. It's
Speaker 3: another guy that I watched. His name is doctor Sirius.
Speaker 3: I think he used to work with DJ Quick back
Speaker 3: in the day, and he talked about how they make
Speaker 3: music nowadays versus back in the day when Earth went
Speaker 3: and fired, I was real music being made and it
Speaker 3: wasn't just these little machines on there. You're pressing the
Speaker 3: button and it was real instruments and how you stuck
Speaker 3: it up. They just stuck.
Speaker 4: So now you got somebody your song you just came
Speaker 4: out with yesterday.
Speaker 3: And that's what he's saying. Now people have to you know,
Speaker 3: because when I listened to uh Euphoria that first part
Speaker 3: one night, I was I was up late watching the Wood,
Speaker 3: and you know that scene on the Wood, the last
Speaker 3: scene when they getting married, that's where they play uh
Speaker 3: my latest inspiration. I looked up and I was like,
Speaker 3: is that Euphoria? So I actually want to go listen
Speaker 3: to the full song? And I was like, and I
Speaker 3: love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: And then for you, when you got to that level,
Speaker 1: it would take you back into black music.
Speaker 5: I didn't know, like like I didn't know Summer Breeze
Speaker 5: by Quick was uh was Jamaine Jae.
Speaker 4: I didn't know.
Speaker 5: I didn't know Jamaine jack I ain't gonna lie. I
Speaker 5: didn't know he was as hard as he that don't
Speaker 5: you uh something? You know that I love you or
Speaker 5: something whatever? That ship is Summer Breeze sample. I love
Speaker 5: that Jamaine Jackson song.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's being able to catch that sample. Because
Speaker 3: I was getting my hair done and I was she
Speaker 3: was playing a song that Kerick was doing push ups
Speaker 3: in the park too, and I was like, wait, yes.
Speaker 7: For this song.
Speaker 3: I said, what's the song called? I looked it up
Speaker 3: and I was like, it's crazy. If you really listened
Speaker 3: to when people make a complete song and re listen
Speaker 3: to it, it's like you can catch those and then
Speaker 3: you go back and get that's my ship.
Speaker 6: Y'all want a real l A fact that will fuck
Speaker 6: you up? You know?
Speaker 7: The very first Ferrari just Bosa was ordered by Jamaine Jackson.
Speaker 7: He couldn't pay for it, so Young Street nigga out
Speaker 7: of l A. Who was that body he paid for it? Wow,
Speaker 7: jam Ye because he couldn't.
Speaker 3: Give that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Shout out to that nigga. Hey, that's the only nigga
Speaker 1: we need to be talking to. That's a nigga. We're
Speaker 1: talking to nigga. You had the first test of rosa nigga.
Speaker 1: That's some hove ship. So again, hip hop hip hop
Speaker 1: started as street urban culture built on top of black music, right,
Speaker 1: and then we show that we can make any music
Speaker 1: into street urban culture.
Speaker 2: And and so the way we hear sound is not true.
Speaker 1: Right again, it is if it's not us as professionals.
Speaker 1: That's one thing for the fans, but us in the business. Right,
Speaker 1: we have to remember that, Leon Haywood, that's not about
Speaker 1: West Coast, you know, don't fight the feeling one stop,
Speaker 1: you know, one way like it's about building on black music.
Speaker 1: It's about building on music. So again, to keep regurgitating
Speaker 1: hip hop or what you think the West Coast sound like,
Speaker 1: that's not West Coast hip hop. That's an emulation of
Speaker 1: West Coast hip hop or what you think it is.
Speaker 1: If you're making the West Coast sound, you are not
Speaker 1: making West Coast hip hop. You're emulating something that niggas
Speaker 1: did before you. That's called biting. West Coast hip hop
Speaker 1: is built off of Black music. It's taking the cultural,
Speaker 1: the street urban cultural elements of West Coast lifestyle and
Speaker 1: displaying it sonically, that's your job. Doesn't mean you have
Speaker 1: to make things that sound like doctor fucking Dre. Because
Speaker 1: Battlecat don't sound like Doctor Dre. Quick didn't sound like
Speaker 1: doctor Dre. Warren didn't sound like like Doctor Dre. Slip
Speaker 1: didn't sound like Doctor Dre. Rick Rock didn't sound like
Speaker 1: Doctor Dre. DJ Pooh didn't sound like Doctor Dre. You
Speaker 1: have to care about black music, not hip hop. Black music. Now,
Speaker 1: there is some hip hop that is black music, but
Speaker 1: all hip hop is not that. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: other shit in hip hop, but focus on what this
Speaker 1: thing is built off of. And we could extend a
Speaker 1: run that was getted to us by somebody sacrificing, sacrificing
Speaker 1: to me. Kendrick's sacrifice a lot for everything Kendrick got
Speaker 1: for preserving hip hop. He's going to go down in
Speaker 1: history and the biggest moment is going to be slaughtering
Speaker 1: this nigga like a pig.
Speaker 3: Do you remember a long time ago, maybe like it
Speaker 3: had to be like five to seven years ago, you
Speaker 3: would talk about how Adele was seeing so music basically,
Speaker 3: and she was selling so many records, But why couldn't
Speaker 3: like a jazz and Sullivan do the same thing. I
Speaker 3: remember you was studying that. It was like Adele's basically
Speaker 3: singing soul music. What do you think that was that
Speaker 3: you ever figured that out?
Speaker 1: White people that can half ast got sold. It's like
Speaker 1: an anomaly. They're like unicorns.
Speaker 5: Like that white girl I showed on my Instant story
Speaker 5: of the day she walking, that's the whole had the
Speaker 5: whole energy like like a niggive.
Speaker 1: You feel me because whause white women with black attributes
Speaker 1: are like unicorns, like, oh my god, So they don't
Speaker 1: necess like like I always say, Jill Scott could sing
Speaker 1: Adele ass under the table. Everybody that listened to this
Speaker 1: podcast who knows both would try to argue Jill Scott,
Speaker 1: she got to dance. They want her to move around,
Speaker 1: she got to make it festive. If you put a
Speaker 1: microphone across from Jill Scott and Adele, Jill Scott will
Speaker 1: sing adell ass under the table.
Speaker 2: But you don't know that because.
Speaker 1: For black singers, for black singers like Beyonce, this motherfucker
Speaker 1: got to do woutine in high heels where close that's
Speaker 1: entirely too tight. She can't just come up there like
Speaker 1: a deal with a dress on, or like Susan Boyle
Speaker 1: and just sing and that's enough.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be like you black, you could sing wooty dude,
Speaker 2: look at lu.
Speaker 1: If it's about talent, Luther Vandross would have outsold everybody
Speaker 1: in the business man.
Speaker 4: He was struggling to go.
Speaker 5: Maybe when I watched that ship, he was like, man,
Speaker 5: I can't hit the pop charts like they not.
Speaker 4: He wasn't feeling it.
Speaker 3: And that's crazy because Luther van like what he like.
Speaker 4: Man, they just they I don't really like being like,
Speaker 4: I don't mind. He's like, I'm gonna feed my people.
Speaker 5: They I'm grateful for me, Like Luther Vandros, they're not
Speaker 5: putting this into me. They're not doing that. They the budget.
Speaker 5: He's like, man, that's Luther Man.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we can tell you the white people,
Speaker 2: you know, your.
Speaker 3: Big guy.
Speaker 4: Nigga want to grab me in the nineties, I think,
Speaker 4: how do you think thou was?
Speaker 3: It?
Speaker 6: Was it?
Speaker 3: How I pushed through? Was that it?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 2: I was a What's the most underrated thing is how yeah?
Speaker 1: So so Turner has been parry over the last twenty years,
Speaker 1: like he was just some abusive drug addict, drunk musician.
Speaker 1: This nigga actually played the first sound that became rock guitar.
Speaker 1: He's credited with making the first rock song. People don't
Speaker 1: know this. I Turner was a genius with music. So
Speaker 1: that's why Tina's dealt with him all of these years.
Speaker 2: He was a fucking animal, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So she left and became a rock star because Ike
Speaker 1: is originally a rock star.
Speaker 2: So again it's it's it's I get it.
Speaker 1: Him and his old lady fuck cool. I ain't getting
Speaker 1: into that. I'm just saying.
Speaker 3: We have to like had to be something. He was
Speaker 3: instrumental like it was. Besides that, I knew.
Speaker 2: They have reduced his life into that like Joe Jackson. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he just whooped ass.
Speaker 4: You look mean. One thing about the niggas, they didn't
Speaker 4: look like they was mean.
Speaker 2: Not not not not not not. He's the original LeVar Ball.
Speaker 4: Exact.
Speaker 3: That's guys. They had their hair pressed and jack and
Speaker 3: heels and they was talking great.
Speaker 4: Seventies.
Speaker 3: That's seventies.
Speaker 1: Look, So there is no that's my point is coast.
Speaker 1: There is no West Coast sum right, It's it's just
Speaker 1: not and we have to let go of that turn.
Speaker 1: You gotta let go emulating other people music. You got
Speaker 1: to get back to the culture.
Speaker 3: And you know, I would love for Beyonce to do
Speaker 3: a rock album because I kind of felt like Damn
Speaker 3: by Kendrick was kind of rocky. But I would love
Speaker 3: I want to hear more rock. I want to hear
Speaker 3: more because that's a that's a story that we don't
Speaker 3: really get to hear our see. And people don't know
Speaker 3: about Tina Turner or Rick James or you know, those
Speaker 3: only two I really know for real, I don't even know.
Speaker 6: I never heard he was a rock artist. I'm Clinton.
Speaker 2: Delli started off as a rock group.
Speaker 6: As a rock band, rock, psychedelic rock.
Speaker 3: Because I think that's I think that's something that I
Speaker 3: hate that that was wiped away and people think rock
Speaker 3: is just not ours because I like that style in
Speaker 3: fashion too, that rock style, like that when.
Speaker 7: They start throwing like Barry Barry Hendricks.
Speaker 2: Little Richard at the beginning.
Speaker 3: Do you really think that they would have succeeded with
Speaker 3: trying to whitewash hip hop? Do you really think if
Speaker 3: this didn't happen, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Jack Harlow shout out to shout out to Drama Lake
Speaker 1: the homies, Bro, I'm not talking about Jack.
Speaker 2: I hate that I have to say this. I don't
Speaker 2: want you.
Speaker 3: Say that because because they it's like post malone, Jack Carlo.
Speaker 3: They come over here to get their hit, but then
Speaker 3: they leave, so they they is the only one who stayed.
Speaker 2: No, Jack stayed too.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: So again, it's not white people that's the problem whitewashing it.
Speaker 1: It's culture. It's washing the flavor out of it. Didn't
Speaker 1: it just starting.
Speaker 2: Hard like how they did rock, were rock, heavy metal,
Speaker 2: like it just started being everything without no soul ball.
Speaker 4: I never understood how people get I was like, I
Speaker 4: can't get into that.
Speaker 1: Angry ass white people. I don't know why they quite
Speaker 1: angry and ship, but they was angry.
Speaker 3: So Travis is really talented though he could play them drums.
Speaker 1: Hell, whoa they got something? That's really a lot of
Speaker 1: them dudes is dope. They're not bad or nothing. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying how it can't be not one nigga.
Speaker 2: And some ship that niggas started.
Speaker 1: It ain't a nigga. I don't even remember the last
Speaker 1: black rock star. The last black rock star, I think.
Speaker 2: He was white.
Speaker 1: The tall dude, No, the dude with the not leny,
Speaker 1: but the dude with the hat.
Speaker 6: You're talking about over work that he was in the
Speaker 6: group slash slash.
Speaker 2: M hmmm, I think slashing YouTube or slash in one.
Speaker 7: Of those girls members Guns and Roses.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, actually Rose right exactly. My chemistry teacher is
Speaker 4: just like that nigga.
Speaker 1: So it's like we look at country. We look at country.
Speaker 1: It ain't a brother in the space, like they trying
Speaker 1: to make you boozy. But I'm not even by shout
Speaker 1: out to your boozy, I'm not. I'm looking at it
Speaker 1: crazy because he's sang tipsy cool. I'm looking at rock
Speaker 1: and roll. There's not a brother in the space. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at jazz. None of the brothers got big budgets.
Speaker 1: The fucking fucking terrorst probably budget is one hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: Don't lie the holy parbaty. They probably like, we got
Speaker 1: one hundred dollars for you to make this album. Taid,
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, that ain't what y'all giving Kenny about.
Speaker 3: I was just about to say, people think jazz and
Speaker 3: they automatically think Kenny.
Speaker 2: G a nigga playing the saxophone over pop music.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna tell you if it wasn't for Papa
Speaker 3: Uncle Tony and Deshaun. I probably would Kenny G.
Speaker 6: Two.
Speaker 5: Sure, Now, you used to see that nigga every time
Speaker 5: it was a war coming up, it was that nigga
Speaker 5: video popping up.
Speaker 2: So and then he made this ship cool. Kenny G.
Speaker 2: Ain't no never met out to Kenny G. But I
Speaker 2: ain't never met no white man. They called himself.
Speaker 1: Nigga says weird like you did that ship, So we
Speaker 1: thought you was a nigga, Kenny G.
Speaker 4: And they know how to mark that player.
Speaker 2: You do not look like a Kenny G. KG. Do
Speaker 2: not look like a nigga named Kenny G.
Speaker 3: But he had to add the g.
Speaker 4: He had to make a hell of jazz g.
Speaker 6: Man, you have to make your hell a gangster nigga.
Speaker 2: That farm flowing got that perm like, yeah, Kenny G.
Speaker 2: Like a player like Michael Ny ain't no player that nigga.
Speaker 6: Got the name like a player as cool as Miles.
Speaker 2: Miles Dame. That nigga names so hard.
Speaker 6: For sure.
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