WEBVTT - Conversations About The West Coast Sound 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:04.320 Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.440 Sealers Podcast with your host. Now fuck that with your 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:08.640 loaw glasses alone. 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:15.400 So how was your birthday weekend? Next? 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:17.880 Tell me I had a birthday season. I had a 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.919 good time. I really had a good time. I relaxed. 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:23.119 What's some birthday? 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:26.200 I celebrated the whole season. 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:30.560 Women is cra. 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:36.080 It is standard in all of them, like they just 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:38.919 like this month is about me. 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:45.159 It is. I did, and I think my prayers is 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.840 being answered. I'm officially a real jeweler now, like really 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:52.880 about to be hands on with it downtown. I traveled, 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:56.760 I got some rest, I got some money. You had 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:57.240 a good time. 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:00.840 Get some money. Um hm. 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.000 So you know, anybody who trying to make a custom piece, 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.959 go diamonds, all of that, let him know I got them. 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:09.400 I might need that. 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:14.240 Yeah, so your bamboos is now real gold? 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:17.399 Okay, all right, yeah, well I would still have those 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.080 options for the people who want, you know, played it. 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:21.400 But yeah, we're moving. 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:25.240 Up, Joey, y'all was your weekend? 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:34.240 I went to church. I chilled with the church church. Okay, okay, 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:37.520 I was it eight too damn much? 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:40.600 Yeah, stop you stopping I'm gonna go walk arount as 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:41.480 soon as we finished with this. 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:44.320 Much, man, I just went and bought a gang of 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:45.000 fruit and ship. 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:52.040 I'm about to too much, man, and I. 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:54.560 The best thing I ever started doing was looking for 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:56.440 myself because I under it was weird is how much 0:01:56.480 --> 0:02:00.520 I know about nutrition? Shout out to how to by 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:04.200 the honorable lives of Mohammed, but just simple science. Outside 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:07.120 of everything I learned from that bucking shout out to 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:12.160 Cam brother Cam and uhh yb Young Bro just really 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:15.560 institute in a different level of discipline that I didn't 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:16.639 even know was possible. 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.919 But they really helped my health a lot. And man, 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:22.600 it's everything I was just. 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:24.359 I was just starting because I wanted to get them 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:30.280 down measurement. They gave you that vitamin whole routine and. 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:31.600 One thing about the nation. 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:36.080 One thing about the nation, Bro, they going, I didn't 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.840 know I said this on shout out to s O 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:43.480 and Heineken from bag Fuel Podcasts. I just did their podcast. 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:48.160 It just dropped like today. 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:48.399 Watching it a little bit when I was working. 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:52.600 Out, everybody said it was a really good podcast. Outside 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.079 of they were just pressing me about gangs, which was awkward, 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:55.640 but I get it. 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.240 That's everybody's interest. You know what I'm saying. I can't 0:02:58.240 --> 0:02:58.520 help it. 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:01.720 But the point I was saying, I said that to 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:02.080 say that. 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:06.720 I said that to say that. 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:11.120 I noticed when they was talking to me about it, 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:14.959 everybody keeps talking about a sound. When they think of 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:20.600 West Coast hip hop, it's always a sound. And again, 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:26.679 I think that's the the the entry level idea when 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:29.160 it comes to hip hop is to think something has 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:33.520 a sound right. And obviously I've been falling down this 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:36.840 cultural I fell down at the bottom of this cultural 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.120 rabbit hole and I had to climb my way back up, 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:40.880 and it's been a long climb. 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:42.920 Here here we are now I'm barely getting back up 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.800 out of this hole, just climbing and looking around as 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:47.640 I'm climbing up out of this rabbit hole that we 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:51.400 call street urban culture on the West and one of 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.000 the things that I've came to realize is there is 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:59.480 no sound right. And it sounds crazy because we grew. 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.280 Up our whole saying the West Coast sound, and this 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:05.760 is the West Coast sound. And obviously some of the 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:08.760 ideas are inspired by funk, and we did kind of 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.840 take to funk a little bit more, but even that 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:13.600 wouldn't be a sound, that would be more of a 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:18.000 genre and a styling. So I decided to take this 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:21.640 time on No Selings podcast to kind of because Joey 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:23.839 we working hand in hand, you know, I mean on 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:28.760 making records, and while you induce are phenomenal mcs and 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:32.760 really great songwriters, being a record maker right is a 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:37.760 different journey. It's not as like simple as making a 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:41.000 dope rap or you know, even making a good song. 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:47.560 It's more about translating culture through sonics, attitude through sonics, 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:52.960 and that's what I wanted to really dedicate this podcast episode. 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.640 Pete's not here, so it's just again this is No 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:59.760 Selings Podcast. Last is Locan the house, my brother Pete 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:01.960 and I here, but I got my niece DJ and 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.479 a if y'all sometimes come to the live stream. Y'all 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.800 see name on the live she's there again. She has 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.039 a jewel a jewelry company. Make sure y'all follow her. 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:11.960 Piece of Nate check her out. And I got my 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.560 brother Joey Westside one High for the La Giants, one 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:17.240 third of the one ten and Gray rap group that 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:21.520 we're finishing up. And I just was gonna kind of teach, 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:23.720 and if y'all allow me to. You know, I know 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:26.400 y'all been in the business. You've been learning a lot now, 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.480 probably since a baby to some degree. Joey, you was 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:31.920 raising it because your dad and I got my man 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.000 Jean like the voice of God. He ain't got no mic, 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:35.760 but he could chime in just when he want to. 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:37.320 You know what I'm saying. 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:43.039 So niggas encyclopedia and you remember everything exactly. 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:48.440 Do So I wanted to make sure that I taught 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:52.120 what I'm thinking, so you know, even the listeners can hear. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.000 And I'm gonna risk some stuff cause I'm gonna play 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.320 some music I'm not We ain't live streaming, so we 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:57.640 could put it on the stream. 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:02.640 Gotcha, And I just want to teach so people hear 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:04.919 this song right here. It is. 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:21.120 One two bringing to the folk Snoop Doggie Dogg and 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.920 Doctor Drake is a dope to make the difference, So 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:24.920 back go up. 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:30.040 Because you know what grip give like a buffle hopping 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:31.080 and lone beasts. 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:34.040 Together right, and they immediately be like, that's the West 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:42.680 Coast Sam right, and I get wide because culturally they 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:47.160 did such a great job of covering. You know what 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:51.200 I mean, what how we live as street urban people 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.680 in Los Angeles, even the attitude of the music. But 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:59.239 to disprove the concept of it being West Coast culture, 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.719 I mean, excuse me, a West Coast sound. Leon Heywood 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:07.359 is from Texas initially, right, Leon Haywood is from Texas. 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:13.720 Initially he's not from Los Angeles. There you go right here. 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:30.720 You maybe he didn't overdo it when he did it too. 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.840 So when people say something is a West Coast sound, 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:03.120 that never makes sense, especially the further I get right. 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:07.960 And it don't matter which classic song right that you 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:11.680 decide that you're gonna go to to figure this idea out, 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:15.440 You're going to keep running into the same concept. 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.360 Right, if it's this. 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:22.960 Song, Regulators regulate any stealing up his property. 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:26.160 We're damn good too, But you can't be any geek 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:29.040 off the street. You gotta be handy with the steal 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:30.520 if you know what I mean, you keep. 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:34.959 No. 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:38.280 It was a clear black night, a clear white man woman. 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:41.240 He was on the streets, trying to consume, search for 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.800 to eat, so I could get some phones rolling in 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:44.640 a wide. 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:52.360 Get the east side of the LVC, A corpull of girls, they. 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:58.319 Don't need a tweak or something right classic West Coast, 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:01.520 we'll hear that. They'd be like, that's that West Coast sound. 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:08.480 It sounded like the West Coast right, But upon research 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:09.960 and understanding hip hop. 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:16.680 Is that that I can't from missour I. 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.080 Did he get that from somebody? 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:24.600 To No, this is Mike's I think he bro. 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:30.720 I think somebody else had this, or maybe I can't 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:39.719 forget you got that from somebody. 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:42.920 So again, it's one of those things where people think 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:47.400 something is the West Coast sound because somebody took the 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:52.720 cultural somebody took some some level of hip hop, you know, 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:56.839 cultures or producer like a record producer took the turn 0:09:56.960 --> 0:10:03.280 to give this sonic an addam, and then they actually 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:08.120 took the music right and decided, hey, I'm going to 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:12.320 convey the street urban culture of the West Coast. But 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:17.160 yet those two songs, particularly especially g Thang and Regulate, 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.439 would be considered West Coast sounds. But when you listen 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.760 to them, one is from the South, the other is 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:23.880 from the Midwest. 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:28.280 It has nothing to do with sound. And I can't 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:29.360 stress this enough. 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.640 In this time period where I keep hearing people use 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:36.440 the term sound now there is some concepts of sounds right, like, 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:39.600 and this is kind of what's wrong with hip hop 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.120 right now, where you have people here a lead right, 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:43.680 the Funky Worm, h. 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:47.640 Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do. 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.360 That's an Ohio thing, right, that's from the Funky Worm, 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:58.240 the Ohio players. So again, things that culture popularizes kind 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.840 of gives the creators to what you think is a sound, 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:02.679 but it's also. 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:05.880 Whacking hip hop, right. So it's like. 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:14.200 It's whacking hip hop because now you have a bunch 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:19.080 of guys making beats emulating what they think West Coast 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:24.440 hip hop is or sounds like I shout out to 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:27.760 my homeboy Saga, me and Saga was working on some ideas. 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:29.199 He did some dope stuff. I sent it to you, 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:31.400 Joey two beats. They was from both from Saga and 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.960 Kiki Loko. Send him to you inducing the group chat 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:38.480 and we was working on some ideas and I sent 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:40.760 him this daft punk idea that I chopped up, and 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:42.000 I'm like, hey, let's flip this. 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.680 We're gonna replay this and this. So when he. 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:51.320 Did the record, right, the record itself, bro was like 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:56.840 he added a baseline in the league and that was 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.200 the first time in my life that I was like, Oh, 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:03.200 I get what people mean when they say the West 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:08.200 Coast Sam, but I also get why it comes across 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:16.240 so regional. I also get why it comes across so regional. 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:19.720 But do you think a sound on it? They just 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:20.960 being kind of lazy. 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.079 Being lazy. I don't think they supposed to know. 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.000 I think they're so lazy is when I think you 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.199 can do the work and you just don't take the time. 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:35.959 I mean, it's probably closer to ignorant. They don't know. 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.120 So they're taking what they feel about or things that 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.720 they could recognize, like a lead right, or like a 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:46.000 baseline being the centerpiece of a song, and the okay, 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:51.800 that's West Coast versus that's funk m And if you 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.839 identify and separate them and say, oh that's Funk, you 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:56.120 could do more with the music. 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:57.560 But if you start. 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.960 Saying, oh, that's that West Coast SUND, you're gonna be 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:04.720 limited to what you could do with the music. And 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:08.080 the more I study this, right, I learned it the 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:11.760 hard way. Every time there's a great idea right here, 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:18.480 right all right, this idea is fantastic. Most people gonna 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.000 feel like this sounded like the West Coast. It's one 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.320 of their favorite songs that say, sound like the West Coast. 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:37.760 But now again jebe here's a guy from socking All, Michigan. 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:42.559 Now that's crazy. 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:43.480 I never knew that was. 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:45.840 I never knew that was a simple. 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:50.760 All think it's a hit. 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:55.959 Oh yeah, the song, I knew the song. Yes, the 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:59.920 Past Time Paradise, that's album. 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:02.840 That time. 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:05.600 Right. 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:13.000 So again, it's one of those things where laziness is 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:15.680 what makes us say what we think. We don't even 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:19.920 be tripping off what actually is happening. We're not tripping 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.920 off what's happening. We just thinking, Okay, this sounds like 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.480 the West Coast. This sounds like the West Coast, and 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:31.120 it's way deeper. So there is no proverbial West Coast Sam. 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.480 There's a pace of life, but there is no sund 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.720 And I think this is the message that's important for 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:40.400 me to disseminate amongst the new hip. 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:41.240 Hop space. 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.280 Because a lot of people are saying, hey, man, Kendrick 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:48.920 opened the door for the West Coast. 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.800 Oh man, he gave a West coast. That's not what happened. 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.920 What he did was he made a cultural reset for 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.760 hip hop period he removed kind of somebody whose presence 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:05.320 was looming and very much compromising. He took the influence 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:09.000 from that person. So now there is nobody to emulate, 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.360 because obviously most of the rest of the country can't 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:21.000 emulate what gn X sounds like. So now you're backstuff 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:24.800 to doing what you think people around you want to hear. 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:31.080 You don't have the luxury of emulating a bunch of 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:35.760 guys from another country. You know what I'm saying, a 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.440 bunch of guys from another country to make a record 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:41.880 that your record label is gonna support, and while it 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:44.400 does it, shout out to like I said to Berg 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:48.000 aka hit Maker, because he was saying that, he was like, 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.239 hey man, you know that dude set a target for us. 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.640 But that never was the premise of hip hop in 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.360 the first place. There was no targets. Matter of fact, 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:03.320 people who hit the target, they were frowned upon. Shout 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:05.880 out to somebody like Jermaine Dupre who really took a 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.840 lot of shit because he understood how people were being 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:12.080 successful in marketing, and he took a lot of marketing 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.000 ideas even though his music was different, and he made 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:17.840 sure but that just because the marketing part of it 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:22.240 seemed familiar. People wanted to call him a biker, like 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:30.240 I heard that at the highest level, highest level. So 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:34.880 that's just been on my mind a lot. Every song 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:39.720 that we think of as West Coast or it sounds 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.720 like West Coast most likely is going to be from 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:43.560 some other region. 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.720 These were called Black classics. 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:50.480 Leon Heywood, I want to Do Something Freaky to you 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:52.040 is a Black classic. 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:53.560 That's not. 0:16:55.800 --> 0:17:00.520 That's not a West Coast song. That's a black that 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:04.919 was in Black households. So when Dre and Warren and 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:09.120 everybody come together to make G Thanging Dog, right, they. 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:10.080 Took a Black classic. 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:13.080 So that's why when the song was coming out, it 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:15.520 was no problem for it to be played around Black 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:19.560 America hip hop spaces because it's a song that most 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:28.080 everybody's mother and father played. So again, we'll start trying 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.879 to be distinctive about drums, We'll start trying to be 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:35.399 distinctive about claps. None of this shit belongs to a region, 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:36.959 none of it. 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:39.480 Do you think any region has a sound? 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:44.520 No, No, you have. 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:50.040 Hip hop inspired by genres, right, So the West Coast. 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:52.960 A lot of West Coast hip hop is inspired by funk. 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.240 That's what took a life right, but early in WA 0:17:56.440 --> 0:18:03.720 wasn't funky. That was more like mally yeah, quick quick, 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:07.879 you know clear right, shout out to clear quick, shout 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:10.160 out to too Short, too short. It's probably the true 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.679 father of how we use funk music. He is the 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:17.280 foundation in proof that he's the working model that it 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:20.280 would work because he was the he would stay a 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.439 funky a lot of the times, but even earlier songs 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:27.080 like blow Joh, Betty, he you reggae. So again, him 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:30.680 defining funk right is kind of how quick Like your 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.000 dad talked to me about the stuff that they were 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:34.720 playing when they was trying to get quick and he 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:38.800 was starting to produce, and they wasn't listening to NWA. 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:45.800 They were listening right, They were listening to they were 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.880 listening to Too Short right around the same time, Don't fight. 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:54.560 The feeling came out right around that same time. So 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:59.960 this narrative that a region got a sound is not true. 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:01.400 Mm hmm. 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.200 This is notsting point. There's another. 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:09.760 So now you're just breaking down the beer, the wall 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:15.040 between actually studying music for for real. Now, people who really. 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:19.920 I'm merging what I would like to believe. Is I 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:24.399 merging what I would like to believe is emerging. What 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:25.800 makes hip hop hip hop? 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:30.400 Mm hmm, not so much. 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:38.520 What makes hip hop? Actually what makes this. 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:47.240 Is classic. 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:55.399 Screw. 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:58.320 But check this out. 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.680 This group is from the West Coast, her Albert and 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:15.640 the Tijuana Brass. So a lot of the stuff that 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:18.719 we are we've been lazily shout out to the to 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:21.760 the to the ancestors and the creators of this thing 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:24.280 we call hip hop. And I'm not just talking about 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:28.800 the the guys from the seventies and the eighties, you 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:30.959 know what I mean. I'm not just talking about Her, 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:34.080 I'm not just talking about Bam, I'm not talking about 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:37.639 Egyptian Lover. I'm not even talking about them. I'm talking 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:40.320 about all the way until you get to. 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:51.960 Dre, Puff Tone and Polk, Warren Maull and all of them. 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:56.240 Because what they understood about hip hop was it was 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:57.760 built off black music. 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:05.280 So and now we see that, right, that foundation. 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:06.880 From the first. 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:09.760 Records right now, moving on from the first record seventy 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:11.440 nine to ninety six. 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:16.280 We see that right, And that's how we. 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:21.320 Define hip hop from okay, from seventy nine to ninety six, 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:23.800 that's how we define hip hop. Were like this is 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:27.360 what gives us our sounds. But the guys who created 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:31.199 it that really broke all the barriers down, that's not 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:35.240 how they saw it. They didn't have hip hop to 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:37.960 look at. They were too busy making hip hop to 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:39.280 stare at just hip hop. 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:40.880 Imagine if Pup. 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:45.520 He doesn't look at Herb Albert and the Tijuana Brass, 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:47.760 which is a jazz band that's a number. 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:48.399 One song in the country. 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:53.000 Herb Albert Rise, the sample that they used to make Hypnotized, 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:57.959 is an instrumental number one record in the country. It's 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:05.760 an instrumental record, a jazz record. So again, what I 0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:08.600 like about that generation is they didn't have hip hop 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:09.240 to look at. 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:11.360 They were too busy making it. 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:15.800 And that's where I think for hip hop to have 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:18.120 a chance because shout out to the Hummy, shout out 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:21.399 to Doc because he gave it a chance to go further. 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:26.680 Because ever since Kanye got the rock right, Kanye set 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:31.760 it off into a spirals. Kanye became a model that 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:35.520 everybody could emulate. You can go as wild as a 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:39.760 kid cutting, you can go Jack Harlowe, you can go Drake, 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:45.040 you can go a million other things that were outside 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:49.720 of possibly street, urban culture, and people thought that that 0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:53.600 felt the void of hip hop, even though that voice 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:55.919 means a lot. That voice supposed to really represent a 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:56.800 group of people. 0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:57.240 That can't speak. 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:01.960 But all of these people that's been following that mold 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:04.560 they have a voice already in mainstream media. 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:06.720 Drake was actually a part of a show. Like his 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:08.120 voice was in mainstream media. 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:10.840 His existence was already there, not just him as a person, 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:14.120 but the character that he grew up being was already there, 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:18.920 to the point to where he decided, like, I need 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:21.520 to be like them niggas. 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:23.640 That's the cool shit. 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:26.560 Yeah, which is why I think he came in the 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:29.840 game in the first place. I think he was pursuing cool. 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:33.520 I think money mattered, but I think he was pursuing 0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:37.000 he was tired of being the not cool person and 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:40.560 hip hop has always been the cool thing, so that 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:46.479 became people's door. So I think it's important because of 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:48.879 what Dot did over these last eight. 0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:49.920 Or nine months. 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:53.880 He made such a cultural reset and hip hop that it's. 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:55.600 Gonna be hard for them to pass another Drake. 0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:58.560 And you want to know something too. Even when you 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:03.720 played that song forgetting so, I remember listening to what's 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:08.159 that channel? Is that the wave and being able to 0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:13.399 and being able to spot the sample or whatever beat 0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:15.840 was used in the hip hop song. So I was 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:18.480 like obsessed with finding simples at one point in my life, 0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:20.920 like what song is getting down to, like the root 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:23.680 of the song. So basically, what you're trying to say 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:26.239 is that hip hop is just an extension of just 0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:30.359 black music period. It's not about this region, average in 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:32.679 that region, and it's not about chasing a sound to 0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:35.800 get the next hit, but just keep extending black music 0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:36.640 as a whole. 0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:39.840 Yeah, you play it. 0:24:39.840 --> 0:24:44.080 It's street, urban coachure built on black music. That's what 0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:45.560 hip hop records are about. 0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:49.879 Street about the West Coast sound didn't start till g 0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:53.560 thing that it was all breakbeat. 0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:58.400 It was. It was just hip hop, Yeah, it was. 0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:02.080 It was a West Coast look. So they had to 0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:06.240 finally match the look with the sund laid back niggas, 0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:10.000 Jamie curl Low Riders. That's the West Coast seal. It's 0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:16.840