WEBVTT - Player's Lounge: When Does The Deal Get Done? 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:06.600 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:16.799 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Players Lounge, 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:21.760 broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star. 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:32.080 No Your hosts Barry Church, Danny McCray, and Newey Scrugs. Hey, everybody, 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:36.559 Friday Friday. Friday Friday, The Players Lounge. I am longtime 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:40.520 Cowboys reporting new He Scrugs, joined by two Cowboys, former 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:43.320 Cowboys players, and this is their show. They give us 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:45.640 the insights that they had as guys who wore the Star. 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:50.240 Danny McCray and Barry Church. Gentlemen, how we doing McCraw, 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:53.800 I'll start with you, man, I'm good man. Just another 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:56.240 week of quarantine for me. Man, just in the house, 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.400 you know, looking at these same windows, searching for new 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:02.560 TV show to watch. All right, what's the last good 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:07.440 TV show you watched? McCrae. Uh Man. I started Animal 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:11.000 Kingdom probably a week ago, and I'm all all the 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.880 way through season four now, so I'm enjoying it. It's 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.680 very similar to Sons of Anarchy if you liked that show. 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:19.760 I haven't seen Sons of Anarchy, but I did watch 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:23.640 that Jeffrey Epstein show. You told me to watch watch that. 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:29.560 I didn't see that. Yes, the Justice System, huh so 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.120 I was very very revealing. So if anybody has not 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:34.880 watched that, when brother brother McCrae here is about to 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:38.720 become a good television critic here, so he's been getting 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:43.000 several shows that I must say are very good. So okay, 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:45.600 um in church, my man, you're not in the woods, 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.720 are you. No, I'm back in the d man, I'm 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.560 back in the d all right. It's hot, it's hot outside. 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:53.760 Logged a couple of miles on the bike this morning. 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:55.800 But I'm good. I'm good. I'm ready to be back 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.760 on the show. Man. Let's get a cracking Okay, if 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.160 you've been watching anything on television, lady, that we need 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.040 to be checking out. Man. So I did watch that 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.600 epstein Joy, which was crazy. Other than that, man, i've 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:09.520 been I've been struggling to find something to watch. I've 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:11.960 been watching a lot of old reruns of Rickett Morton 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.799 if anybody ever watched that. But other than that, I've 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:18.040 been struggling to find something to watch. All Right, I'll 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.520 give you a podcast. It's really good, especially when you're 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:22.720 out there on your bike called sixteen nineteen, it won 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:26.760 a Pulitzer Prize. Nicole Hannah Jones hosted It's about five 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.639 parts here and sixteen nineteen goes back to the first 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.440 slaves and were brought to America. But just a fantastic 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:38.000 look at black history and just some fantastic things that 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:42.480 you just didn't know. 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For me, I 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:12.799 think it's it's gonna have to be the defense that's 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:14.320 gonna have to play a lot of catching up. And 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.200 I say that because on the offensive side of the ball, 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.000 they didn't really lose a lot of their main tight talent. Yes, 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:22.040 they lost Randall Cobb, but they were able to fill 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.480 that with Cde Lamb and hopefully he's able to fill 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:26.520 in those shoes greatly. But you know, they still have 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:28.840 the same offensive coordinator and Kellen Moore. They still have 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.760 the same pieces of dynamic pieces that can make them 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:33.960 a super offense out there. So I'd like the offense 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.440 with a couple maybe terminology might be different a little bit, 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:38.680 but I think they'll have an easier job transitioning with 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:40.839 this new coaching staff. And then started the season being 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.640 so the late as it is. And on the defensi 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:45.480 side of all, I mean they lost Byron Jones. I 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:47.200 mean they lost some guys on the key guys on 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.760 the defensive line. You know, we've seen, you know, the 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.360 linebackers took a step back as far as their players concerned. 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:53.920 So they got a step it up, and so I 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:55.800 think they they'll have And they also have a whole 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.080 new defensive playbook, so they'll have a lot to catching 0:03:58.160 --> 0:03:59.640 up to do. They weren't able to be around each 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.360 other this spring and really get after kind of play 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.800 off the strengths and weaknesses of other players. So I 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:06.120 think we'll have a lot of catching up to do. 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.400 The terminology will be different, but they do have those 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.240 leaders leaders on the defence side of the ball to 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:11.640 get it done. I just think we'll have to do 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:13.800 a lot of catching up to the officer side of 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:19.000 the ball once the season begins. Yeah, for me, I 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.920 go with both reasons that this would be unpopular amongst 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.240 US three. But I think the offense will be okay 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.080 because they have so many playmakers on that offense and 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.800 I think that they can cater cater that offense to 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:32.280 them with a less amount of time, right because you've 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:34.120 got so many big, big time playmakers out there. And 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:36.320 on defense, I think it'll be the same. I think 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:40.159 that we'll be able to get a real rush going 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:43.159 and help out our secondary. So for me, it's gonna 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.200 be special teams. I think we got a lot of 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:48.960 guys that we saw last year the effect that special 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:51.040 teams can have on the game when you don't have 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:55.279 that experience from players and coaches on there. And I 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.320 think that you'll have a lot of new guys coming 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:00.320 in playing positions that they hadn't played before on hunt 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:02.640 and on kickoff and on punt return, and I think 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:06.559 you'll see some some crucial mistakes if we aren't able 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:08.880 to get out there and get that stuff taken care 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:11.120 of before the season starts. So I think if you 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:14.440 look at special teams, could it could be a problem 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.280 for us if we don't if we don't have enough 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.520 time to get that stuff taught and corrected. Let me 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:22.920 ask you a question, mcrag. Let me ask you real 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.839 quick question. Do you feel like we the Cowboys have 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.400 done enough addressing the special teams as far as bringing 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:31.160 in players that are strictly special team pieces that can 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.600 that can basically promote the special teams unit to being 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.120 better than last year? Do you think we made enough 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.040 moves in the off season for that, I mean, compared 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.320 to what we've done in the past. I do. I 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:42.960 believe that we kind of focus a little bit more 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:46.280 on bringing some guys the end that are just specifically 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:48.800 special teams players, and that is more than we had 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:50.200 done in the past. Most of the time it was 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.599 our own undrafted free agents that we ended up keeping 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.279 and turning into special teams guys. So I think that 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.119 there's been more of a focus on the special teams 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.000 and I think that that will show a little bit more. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.520 My worry is just you know, when you got guys 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.719 who don't know how to kick, step in and block 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:09.000 for guys who are rushing on punt, those guys can 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:13.880 those things can become big issues, all right. So mccraig, 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.960 here's something that's very interesting, just based off what you 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:20.920 said about special teams, is what is Mike McCarthy's philosophy 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.880 on using starters on special teams? And I bring this 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:27.159 up because when Bill Parcells was here, he had guys 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.880 like like Brady James, who was a starting linebacker. Jason 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.240 went the tight start in Titan. He put these guys 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:35.200 out there those special teams. And Lawrence Taylor played special 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:37.760 teams for for Bill Parcels when he was up with 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.680 the New York Giants, and and UH and Carl Bank. 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:44.080 So what's what do you think Mike McCarthy's philosophy is 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.720 going to be in terms of using guys who are startings. 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:48.960 I think I think times have changed and I don't 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:52.279 think uh, those starting guys are as open to being 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.000 on special teams as they used to be. So I 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.279 think it'll be a lot more pushback and I don't 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:58.920 think that he will will will push very hard to 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:01.039 get some of those start plays out there. So I 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:05.120 don't think we'll see very many starting guys on special 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:09.760 teams this season besides being a punt returner. Okay, so 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:13.600 that's crazy, ok go ahead. No no, no, no, no, no no, no, 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.280 Church ahead, because I'll follow it up. I'll follow. So 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:16.920 go ahead, Erica. Oh no, I was just I was 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:18.680 just pigging back and off of you, just saying that's 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:20.440 a that's a great statement, because I mean, back in 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:21.840 the day, you had if you think about like the 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.400 Ravens of two thousand, you had Ed Reid and all 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:26.720 those guys coming off the edges and blocking punts, and 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:28.600 you had like guys like Dante Haul back in the 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.280 day returning kickoffs and starting receivers. So I just think 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:33.480 it's tough that times have changed like that to where 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.240 you know, starters are kind of like, I'm strictly at 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.200 running back. I'm not messing with those special teams. But 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:38.600 I remember back in the day that used to be 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:40.120 a huge part of the game. But I think it's 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:44.080 just kind of change a little bit, all right. So 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.679 so my next question here, Danny going back into special teams. 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:48.640 Goad thing. This is a really good critical question that 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:52.880 you've raised here. If you're John Fossil, the new special 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:57.040 teams coach, how do you use training camp with your 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:00.800 special teams guys not really truly knowing Okay, who's gonna 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.280 make the team? What guys do? I use me? How 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:05.640 do you go about taking a roster of ninety that 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:09.080 you're gonna cut down and deciding and who you spend 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.400 your time and putting on special teams to see who 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:13.280 can do the job, Because I mean, really, do you 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.120 want to have guys out here running down here that 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.160 you're gonna get cut that eventually it's gonna be wasting 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:20.760 reps on, right? I mean, and I think that's what 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.000 a collective comes in with the coaching staff, right. So, 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.360 knowing now that you don't have OTAs and many camp, 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.240 when you get into training camp, you have to have 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.000 some type of idea of who's going to be on 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:35.079 the team, right, So you have to get together as 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.920 those coaches and meet and say, hey, look, we know 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:39.920 that this guy has a ninety percent chance of making 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:41.920 a team, so make sure that you kind of cater 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.080 to this guy, ain't hav him on the teams, and 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:45.640 get them some reps because this is one of the 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:47.120 guys that you may have to depend on when you 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:49.360 get into the season. Now, the other guys will get 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:52.080 some reps, but since they're more of long shots, they 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.920 will get probably less reps than than than those guys 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:57.680 that were already eyed as people who would make the roster. 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:00.480 So they just got to come together and and point 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:05.200 out guys who they believe will be on the roster. Okay, 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:07.240 got you. And for fans out there that are thinking, oh, 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.960 all right, they're tallas special teams, it's boring. No. Look, 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.559 this is a very big part of why the Cowboys 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.600 were not a team that made the playoffs last year. 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.600 Their special teams was troacous. And the fact is, when 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.680 you talk about all three phases offensivens too special teams 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.160 and the Cowboys basically win in every game last year, 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.400 losing that battle. So you're trying to try to find 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:30.600 a way to win two two phases instead of trying 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:32.760 to win three phases. That New England game, the special 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.680 teams lost the game. So we're talking about a topic 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.280 and a subject that needs to be addressed. Barry, you 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.400 made this team as a free agent rookie, and so 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.560 did you, Danny. But Barry go back to how you 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:44.520 made the team was through special teams. And I look 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:46.840 at a kid like Darius Anderson running back out of TCU, 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.560 free agent running back, he's got to make an impact 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:52.000 on special teams if he's going to make this football team. 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:54.560 Because they've got Ezekiela, They've got twenty power. So for 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:56.800 some guys, this truly is going to be the way 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:00.520 they make the Dallas Cowboys in twenty twenty. It's gonna 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:01.640 be the way I mean, if I take it back 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:03.280 to when I was a rookie, um, I had, you know, 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:07.000 Gerald Sinson balls in front of me, Alan Ball, Patrick Watkins. 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:08.920 I had a lot of betterness that were proven up there. 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:10.480 So I knew for me to get on this team, 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.280 especially being undrafted, I had to had to bust my 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.240 butt on special teams. I had to become best friends 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:18.000 with Joe Decommis on the special teams and basically saying 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:19.560 I'll run through a wall for you if you just 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:21.720 give me a chance. And I was able to do that. 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:23.800 And then later on the defensive play came along and 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:25.640 I was able to get reps on defense. But for 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:27.960 those undrafted guys knowing that they got a steep climb 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.080 ahead of him to even crack the lineup. I mean 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:31.959 they got up become, you know, best friends with a 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:33.880 special teams guy and just want to run through the 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:35.880 wall for him. I mean, it doesn't it doesn't sound popular, 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:42.000 but that's the easiest way to get onto a team. 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:45.199 All right. There's another topic we spoke about here, and 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.200 this is gonna be very interesting because I love this um. 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:53.280 Which starting defensive rookie? Do we think, as she said, 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:56.000 which rookie will be a start? Which cat was defensive rookie? 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.400 Do you think that end up being a starting football player. 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:03.080 I'll start with you, Danny, Oh, easily, Diggs. He's coming in. 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:06.800 Byron Jones. Byron Jones is out of there. They need 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:10.520 to fill that spot. And we talked previously about some 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:12.920 guys that are already on the roster and will be 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.079 up for some serious competition to keep their starting jobs. 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.040 And I think dis being picked up in the second 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:21.520 round as a clear indicator that's he's vying for that 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:25.480 starting position. I think he'll be able to get it. Yeah, 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:27.920 I'm gonna stick in the secondary on this one, but 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:30.160 it's gonna be a tough one for me because you 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.560 know Barron Jones. He was a long rangy corner, very 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:34.640 great physical when it came to pressing at the line 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:36.600 of scrimmage, and he was a great man in man corner. 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:38.320 And they see a lot of that in the Trayvon 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:41.000 Digs guy or Yea Treylon's Digs who's out there at 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.160 cornerback They got from Alabama, but they also had that, 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.120 and I think I believe his name is Reggie Robinson 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.439 if I'm not mistaken. At corners that they got in 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:49.960 the fourth round. He's a long ranging guy, can run 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.160 with anybody, and he's great pressed the man press, the 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.680 pressing man, and man cover. So I think it's gonna 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.760 be a competition between those two to crack the lineup. 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:59.760 I don't feel as though Cheetah going into the season 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:01.560 and to be the starter. I think he'll start out 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:03.440 of camp as it starter, just because he knows you 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:05.760 know that they know him as a player. But I 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.000 think overall one of these rookies might supplant him. And 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:10.520 I think I'm born with a surprise kid in the 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:13.160 fourth round. I mean before we've seen fourth rounds before. 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.960 They're scrappy, they kind of get the game and they're 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:17.320 kind of hungry for us, So I'm gonna go with 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:19.719 him over Treyvon Diggs. But it's gonna be a tough 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:23.240 competition at corner, all right. I want to take you 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:25.400 guys way back in the Cowboys, way back, but she 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:31.400 ll wave Phillips era. They used a first round pick 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:34.120 on Mike Jenkins out of South Florida, in a fifth 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.599 round pick out of Boise State, and you guys know 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:42.760 very well Orlando Scandrid, and at first, you know, Jenkins 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.000 was given the opportunities and he was the guy that 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.439 got pushed and he was a starter. But over time 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.920 we saw Skandro just took over and both guys ended 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.720 up being, you know, productive players for the Cowboys, but 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.480 Scandrid kind of longer tenure with them. And when you 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:59.320 bring up Reggie Robinson the way he did Church, that 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:01.320 just made me think about that that, you know, those 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:04.119 two quarters and the careers they had with the Cowboys. 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:06.920 But I'll say I believe in what Danny is saying. 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.080 Diggs is going to be the guy, because look, if 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:12.960 Diggs is not a starter at some point in this year, 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.079 either Cheeto's gonna be playing really, really well or Diggs 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.360 let us down. Because this is a guy we allays 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.920 considered to be a first round to pick for the 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.559 Cowboys at seventeen and he ends up getting to the 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.839 Cowboys in the second round. So I'm expecting big things 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:30.600 from from treyvon dis I really am. I think Trey 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.120 Diggs has got to be an impact player and a 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:35.920 guy who starts. And if Reggie Robinson can also, you know, 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:37.600 come along the way and be a starter too, then 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:39.840 you're talking about one heck of a class. If you 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.280 get two quarters that are starting out of a draft 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:45.160 class in a second in fourth round, that means you 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:48.559 really does some bit work. Yeah, I mean that devil 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:50.559 go hats off to Will McClay right there, And that 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:52.520 was a great comparison you made with the Mike Jenkis 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:56.079 and Orlando's Gander, both similar type guys, and Jenks got 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.480 all the first early opportunities and he was able to 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:00.480 He was able to capitalize a lot of those opportunities, 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:02.360 but as we saw over time, Scandal was just able 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.559 to take it and have a longer and more productive career. 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:09.200 And I see a lot of similarities between Digs and Robinson, 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:11.640 So hopefully they'll have a great competition and We'll see 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:13.280 you when the best player comes out. But I think 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:16.920 I'm gonna slide towards Robinson on this one with that comparison, 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:19.600 Who's who Which one of those guys fit better in 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:24.000 the slot, because you know, Orlando's career was a little 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.080 bit longer because he was almost able to master covering 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:29.600 in the slot and playing that playing that nickel position. 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.840 So this is true. So would you say the fourth 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:34.760 round guys gonna be the guy who's going to be 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:36.640 in the slot because you know George Lewis is in there, 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:38.920 he makes some plays. Yeah, I don't think any of 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.760 them are gonna supplant George Lewis in there as a slot. 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:43.680 I mean, he reminds me a lot of Orlando as 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.840 far as just being feisty and just being that prototypical Nickel. 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.120 So I see him staying in there for the long ride. 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:52.120 But on the outside, I mean, I can see both 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.920 of them kind of supplanting Brown and the Lousian Nickel. 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:57.640 But like I said, that that could be, that would 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:00.480 be a heck of a draft players, and we I 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:02.280 had to go with New York now and the hell 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.880 of a draft class. But we'll see. So you said, 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.160 that you send the two stars are supposed to teams. Okay, 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.480 all right, and then they could be gunners you know, 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:16.840 Handti Okay rivers. He got two two starters losing their 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.760 jobs this season. I'm telling you go back and you 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:23.000 heard it here first. What we talked about with Jordan 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:25.920 Lewis just right there. You know his ability to cover 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.640 the slide and you must have you know, you must 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:30.520 have a guy who can cover slot, which you really 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:32.800 need too when you start thinking about injuries. But how 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.960 much do we think that Jordan Lewis can excel under 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:39.480 Al Harris, the new Cowboys secondary coach, Because we all 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:43.080 knew that Chris Richard, the previous secondary coach, really like 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:47.080 bigger guys, and the thought process was that Jordan Lewis 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.520 wasn't getting as much run because he didn't fit the 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:54.080 prototypical height that Chris wanted. Maybe this is a better 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:57.280 opportunity for George Lewis to excel with Al Harris. Here. 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.560 I can see that happening. I'm mean, especially at the 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.040 slot corner. You know, I know they like their big corners, 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.040 big physical corners out there on the outside because there's 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:07.960 not really a lot of wiggle room that the receivers 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:09.520 have out there, But on the slot, I mean, you 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:11.960 got all those quick Beasley type receivers, you gotta have 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:13.920 somebody that can match up with them. So I feel 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.480 like George Lewis fits pots typically, you know perfectly. You 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:18.520 got the right size, he got great quicks. He's not 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:20.160 the fastest in the world, but either are all the 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:23.720 slot receivers, So I think he fits that perfectly. But 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:24.960 you know, as far as the outside, I think you 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:26.360 definitely have to have some size to you, and I 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.560 don't think he fits that outside corner round, so that's 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:30.640 where I put you know, Digs and Robinson in there. 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:34.800 But overall, I think he fits perfectly in that slot. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:38.880 same here. I think the reason why those slot corners 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.080 are are the way they are is because they're quick, 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:44.360 they have a good field for the game, their instincts 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.200 are above because some of the outside corners, and I 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.880 think him being able to disguise and blitz and play 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.680 those zones and then also make plays on the ball 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:55.360 like we've seen him do when he got into the game, 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.280 I think that will help him make sell at that 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:00.120 slot position. So I think we'll see big things from 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:04.160 Jordan Lewis this season, all right, So we both feel 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.240 that all three of us as they feel that the 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:11.960 defense is going to have to catch up to where 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:16.240 the offense is based on not having offseason workouts. Now, 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.880 since we're going and saying the offense under Kellen Moore 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:21.800 is going to have an edge because they aren't going 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.720 to change too much of it here, how good of 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:28.960 a play caller do we think Kellen Moore can develop 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:32.040 into in the National Football League? Start with you, Dan, 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:36.600 I think it can be a good play caller. I 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.400 think the biggest knock on him last season was those 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.119 slow starts and him being able to get that offense 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:44.119 going at the beginning of the game. We saw that 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:45.960 he was able to draw some things coming out of 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:49.520 halftime and later into the second quarter. But he has 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:51.639 to be able to get those guys going out of 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:55.560 the gate, that first fifteen play script that coaches usually 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:57.920 have to get their offense rolling. I think he needs 0:17:57.960 --> 0:17:59.439 to just work on that, and if he's able to 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:01.640 get that done, I think he'll be excellent play caller. 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.439 Same year. I think um as this. I think, as 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:10.040 you know, he's getting into a second year as full 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:11.920 time play caller and I think he'll he'll develop into 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.160 a better play caller. Um. I just think, like you said, 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.040 Danny and a spur fifteen, I think he has to 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:19.040 just develop a little bit more creativity. UM. I feel like, 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:20.560 you know, during last season, there was a lot of 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:22.800 let's run Zeke on first down. Let's run Zeke on 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:24.879 first down. He's kind of like running into a brick wall. 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:26.680 And the running plays, you know, it was kind of 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:28.840 Runzick up the middle, all right, let's run Zick to 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:31.160 the edge. There was no kind of counters or creativity 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:32.639