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Speaker 2: Pain, Are you in Burbank? Why do you know that

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Speaker 2: it's behind you? Oh my, that's exactly where you are. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm training to be a mentalist.

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Speaker 1: You know. Have you seen that one guy, the Oz

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Speaker 1: His shit is insane, though, I mean it's it's super impressive.

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Speaker 2: I assume he's like some kind of magician that has

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Speaker 1: Magic is real that I don't think. What do you mean,

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Speaker 2: Have you heard about the UFO that when you go

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Speaker 1: I have heard about that. I saw on Reddit. What's

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Speaker 3: tic Tac is one of them, right, Yeah, Tiktak would

433
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 3: be an anomalous because it was able to move without

434
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 3: inertial effect, which means no slowing down when it's making

435
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 3: ninety degree turns or shooting off faster than your eyes

436
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,719
Speaker 3: can see. There's no sonic booms, so it has no

437
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 3: inertial effect, meaning like no sonic booms. It can go

438
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 3: between space to air and down to right to the

439
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 3: surface of the sea in faster than a second from

440
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 3: ninety thousand feet or eighty thousand feet, but without these

441
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,640
Speaker 3: common signatures that you'd get, so that the tic TAC

442
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,880
Speaker 3: would be an anomalous aerial vehicle that would be classified

443
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 3: as a UFO UAP. And we have a pilot, Commander Favor,

444
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 3: who not only saw it, but a pilot named Commander

445
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 3: Chad Underwood, a weapons systems operator who filmed it. And

446
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 3: there's an extensive reporting on it internally in the DIA

447
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 3: and Defense Intelligence Agency, and George Nap and I actually

448
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 3: try to submit to Congress one hundred and plus page

449
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 3: document by the DIA on the tic TAC. Now, believe

450
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 3: me or not, we did try, and there's a reason

451
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 3: we couldn't submit it. But it does exist. So yeah,

452
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 3: the TIKTAC would be one. So now you've got these

453
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 3: craft that do it. Okay, cool, we're all there. UFOs are.

454
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 3: Real question is who's operating them, who built them, where

455
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 3: are the factories, where do they come from, what's the

456
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 3: intent these are questions everybody wants answered. I'm saying, let's

457
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 3: not even try to answer that yet. Just let's find

458
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 3: out who's operating them very simply. Is it another nation?

459
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 3: Is it US? And we're hiding it because it's a

460
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 3: black project, and like you said, national security, you don't

461
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 3: want to let your enemies know what you have. Why

462
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 3: spell that instantaneously? It is not our technology, not the

463
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 3: United States of America.

464
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: How do you know that?

465
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 3: So there's a bunch of ways to know that that

466
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 3: are very logical and simple. Okay, the most important thing

467
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 3: if we go into who's this might be Russia, China,

468
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 3: US a technological nation. How long have UFOs of this sort,

469
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 3: like the tic tac it was shaped like a like

470
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 3: a tic tack or a pro Paine teck. How long

471
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 3: have we been documenting and seeing those in our skies?

472
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: Far too long? Yeah? Right, so that's the fucking is

473
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: I mean since Roswell or before really or they call.

474
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 3: Them flying pro Paine tanks and you'll see military pilots

475
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: tell you what they saw. Now we have video though,

476
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 3: so it's different. Yeah, it's different. Right, So, first thing

477
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 3: to know, UFOs have been around for a long time.

478
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 3: I would argue, prior to us even having an air

479
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,719
Speaker 3: force or a Pentagon, they've been part of the historic record,

480
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 3: and they're explained exactly the same way the stories.

481
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: That go back, you know, thousands of years. Really if

482
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: you go back that for.

483
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 3: And you get better and better evidence as you go,

484
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 3: because now we have some video footage, right, but you

485
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 3: also have different sensor footage radar. So it's not just

486
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 3: Uncle Joe saying he saw now the.

487
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: Data can actually you know, compare to something.

488
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 3: Data rich now yeah, yeah, so and it will get better,

489
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: that's the thing. It's just you get better if stuff

490
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 3: keeps coming out, you know. So so here you are.

491
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 3: You already know the UFOs just like we're seeing now,

492
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 3: have been seen for hundreds, if not of thousands of years.

493
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: Cool man.

494
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 3: So it's not us, it's not any other technological nation

495
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 3: that we're aware of on planet Earth at this time.

496
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 3: But why it's not our black projects. Well, there's a

497
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 3: few really simple ways to look at that. I'm sure

498
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 3: some are. I'm sure some unidentified people are like yeah,

499
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 3: it's sure, yeah, we're hiding it.

500
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: Some also might be a balloon that one time or

501
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: totally are yeah, But there's some that don't fit all

502
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 1: those descriptors.

503
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 3: And there's five things to know whether or not they

504
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 3: do or not. It's the five observables and these are

505
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 3: what those. Okay, so you know I'm not BookSmart, but

506
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 3: like you know, I'll give you one. So instantaneous movement

507
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 3: the idea of being able to take a ninety degree

508
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 3: turn at let's say thirty thousand miles an hour, which

509
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 3: we have tons of radar tapes in the public round.

510
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 3: People can understand that that has happened. So that instantaneous

511
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 3: l shape ninety degree turn without inertial effect, without explosion

512
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 3: or crushing. Right, if you put a human in there,

513
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 3: or even the craft itself would basically be combustible. It

514
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 3: would become a big fireball because you can't make those

515
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 3: turns without inertia, the basic physical proper of inertia. So

516
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 3: it's like if you I don't know the best way

517
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 3: to describe it, but.

518
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: Is it like it's jumping almost? That's one way maybe

519
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: it could.

520
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, But so basically you get something going let's say

521
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 3: thirty thousand miles an hour as an average, and then

522
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 3: we have radar of this and it goes whoomp woop

523
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 3: and makes an al shape. How does it do that

524
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 3: without losing speed and without blowing up right? So we

525
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 3: don't have that tech. So back to black projects. Every

526
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 3: person I've talked with that has accidentally come across a

527
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 3: black project in the air, and there's there's many, by

528
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: the way that I'm in direct contact with. I think

529
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 3: publicly people have talked to me about it on my podcast.

530
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 3: Is like Commander Underwood is a good example. There is

531
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 3: a strict protocol, so they don't want it to be public. So,

532
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 3: first of all, black projects, you're not going to be

533
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 3: flying right off the coast of California where you're literally

534
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: tasking fighter pilots to go check that out. You're trying

535
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 3: to keep them secret, you know. So this is not

536
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: a thing they do for safety, and it's not a

537
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 3: thing they do for privacy. It's a ridiculous idea. So

538
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 3: the idea of black projects, you do not fly those

539
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 3: and get all this attention on them. There's no reason

540
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 3: to do that. Additionally, there's protocols. If somebody sees a

541
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 3: black project US tech and they go through those protocols,

542
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 3: and all these fighter pilots who've ever had that experience,

543
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: they go through them. They tell you you'd never seen this.

544
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 3: I designed NDAs. None of that happened with a ticktac

545
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 3: none of that. There's way more to the tictac UFO

546
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: than people understand. I've said it before, but people ain't listening.

547
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 3: It wasn't one craft. This was over weeks. There were

548
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: multiple craft descend from above eighty thousand feet down to

549
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 3: sea level and docking is the best terminology. About fifty

550
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 3: feet above the water with an object, a US unidentified

551
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 3: submerged object, and it was under the water, and these

552
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 3: things were coming down, dropping faster than one second to

553
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 3: drop that ninety eighty thousand plus feet. Now, the reason

554
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 3: we say eighty thousand is because the scan volume of

555
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 3: the spy one radar, which is on the ships, it

556
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 3: stops at eight thousand, which is basically getting near outer space.

557
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: It's pretty high. It's pretty high.

558
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 3: So basically, what you've got are these machines that are

559
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: going for over two weeks, that are doing something, some

560
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 3: job we don't know, and then they're dropping down instantaneously,

561
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 3: hovering and docking with this thing under the water. That's

562
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: what really happened, and that's well documented, and I hope

563
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 3: a lot of that comes out.

564
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: But you just listen to the pilots.

565
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 3: They talk about it and some of the people involved,

566
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 3: so not black projects. I'm sure some people say that's

567
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 3: a UFO and it's some cool plane that we have,

568
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 3: But we wish we had those capabilities, the trans medium

569
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 3: where you can go between space and err and see

570
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 3: without inertial effect, without slowing down. We wish we had

571
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 3: these types of craft. From what I know, we don't.

572
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: And if we did, Delta should be using that all

573
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 3: my flight back to Atlanta today.

574
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: Oh man, it'd be so amazed. I'd need that commercialize that.

575
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 3: And the thing is that kind of stuff typically is

576
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 3: so you see a spillover and a fingerprint of technology

577
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 3: that we then learn about like thirty years later that

578
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: have started to be integrated into our daily lives. You

579
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 3: do not see that leap, that transitional leap between this

580
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 3: tech that is being observed again for hundreds, if not

581
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 3: thousands of years, and what we have today. You don't

582
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: see that bleed over properly. So somebody has this tech

583
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 3: and the question is have we been able to exploit it?

584
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 3: Have we been able to reverse engineer any part of it?

585
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 3: They call it derivative exploitation programs. So you might not

586
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 3: be able to make the craft if let's say the

587
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 3: government has some UFOs of unknown origin, which they do

588
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 3: they do, Yeah, they do.

589
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: Why do you think that I know they do? This?

590
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 1: Not a question?

591
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 3: So from where I'm sitting, I know for a fact

592
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 3: that we have various i'll say, not only craft, but

593
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 3: components of craft that have been fastidiously reverse engineered. You know,

594
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: if that's the right word word, I'm trying to use

595
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 3: it more.

596
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: It's a cool word. It's a very cool word.

597
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 3: So you know, very thoroughly trying to reverse engineer this technology.

598
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 3: And it doesn't matter. Don't take my word for it.

599
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 3: I'm telling you as it is, and I'm sitting here

600
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 3: believing you. But tell me why someone should believe what

601
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 3: you're saying right now? Okay, so we can do that,

602
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 3: we can play that little game of just just.

603
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: Just on as simple. Just give me one. How do

604
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: you know that? Right?

605
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm going to get back to that. Okay,

606
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 3: but let me so these craft, right, let's say we're

607
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 3: exploiting them or reverse engineering, there are programs. What they're

608
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: trying to do is not just like make a whole

609
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 3: craft because maybe we can't, maybe we don't have the

610
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 3: material science. But what they can do is get derivative technologies.

611
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: So let's say you learn that the medical sory, the metallurgy,

612
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: the composition of the alloys on the surfaces of these craft,

613
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: that they were fabricated, and that they were fabricated in

614
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 3: a way that create a metamterial something that doesn't, you know,

615
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 3: happen in nature, and that there's some result of that

616
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 3: that helps it do certain things. And then we can

617
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: bring that into our society. And to give you one example,

618
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: like graphene is a great example. It's like a hexagonal

619
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 3: pattern of atoms, and it's basically like I think, like

620
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 3: pencil lad graphite, graphine, and they use Scotch tape and

621
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 3: they pulled it up a layer and they realized, holy shit,

622
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 3: that's a superconductor.

623
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: I think that's what you call it.

624
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 3: And they were fabricating these little cubes and I have

625
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: two of them, one from China and one from the US,

626
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 3: and they have different atomic orientations. Some are like eight

627
00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 3: degrees off of perfect symmetry, these little layers of graphinge,

628
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: and then other ones are like four degrees off of symmetry. Now, physically,

629
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 3: when you take these what the difference is. I can

630
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: show you this at my house, Like you just take

631
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: one of these cubes and you push it into a

632
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: block of ice. It immediately transfers the heat from your

633
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 3: fingers into the ice and it'll go into the depth

634
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 3: of the ice depending on the orientation of these atoms,

635
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 3: and it gets cold and it stops. But it's like

636
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: a hot knife through butter initially. Now the reason is

637
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 3: that is I believe they call it a superconductor. It's

638
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: where it takes the heat and distributes it quickly. The

639
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: only way it can do that is because the atomic

640
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 3: layering of the graphene. So we have created a metal

641
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: material that is atomically oriented to do something different in

642
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 3: our physical realm. It's a very clear indication of what

643
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 3: can be derived from learning about different alloys and what

644
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 3: they do. So our reverse engineering programs are looking for

645
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 3: derivative technologies. So let's say Lockheed Martin, let's say North Grummin,

646
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 3: let's say BAE or any of these big aerospace defense contractors.

647
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: If they had I'm telling you they do. But if

648
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: they had some of these technologies, then that's what you'd

649
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: be looking for is derivative technologies to get a technological

650
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 3: advantage and a competitive advantage in business, and then America's

651
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: like the strongest. We have great defense capabilities, we've had

652
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 3: economic power. That's what the secrecy is about. The secrecy

653
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 3: is not about the UFOs, not about whatever's piloting them.

654
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: It's about we don't know the exactly who's piloting these.

655
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 3: Is it one group, is it two groups? We don't

656
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 3: know how they make it, but damned we're gonna find

657
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: out first. Yeah, we're gonna find out first because we

658
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: got technological advantage. Then we'll be a step ahead because

659
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: whoever gets this tech if it does exist the way

660
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: we understand it too in our common realm here, then

661
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 3: it's fucking game over. You fucking won pretty powerful stuff.

662
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 3: It's like the atomic bomb. What was that whole race about.

663
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it's about stacy and power and really

664
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 3: trying to stop a war is what they said. But

665
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: it's like when you can demonstrate that and you can

666
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 3: use that, then the idea is you can be like, hey,

667
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 3: I don't like that policy, we should probably change it.

668
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 3: And that's what governments do. The national security it is

669
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 3: now why should you trust me?

670
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,479
Speaker 1: Right? Sure, that's what you said. Well, I said, why

671
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: do you know that? Why do I know? Why do

672
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: you know that the government is in possession?

673
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 3: I have direct knowledge of these programs. And so if

674
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 3: you were standing where I'm standing, right, sure, there's certain

675
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 3: things that you have the luxury to disbelieve or you know,

676
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 3: be like maybe on sure the fact that we are

677
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 3: reverse engineering craft of unknown origin. I do not have

678
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 3: the luxury of disbelief. Personally, I'm not asking you to

679
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: believe anything I say. I'm asking you to be curious.

680
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 3: I'm definitely here, so not you your audience, Sure you know,

681
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: just be smart, be curious, you keep your mind open,

682
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 3: but keep your marbles in your head. So I've never

683
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 3: asked somebody to believe me. What I do ask is

684
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 3: that you don't discount what I say, and you look

685
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 3: at my past history and record of being correct. And

686
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 3: if you do that, then you take a logical approach

687
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 3: to the information, which I say, I could give a

688
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 3: fuck if you believe me. It's not about believe it's

689
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 3: either true or not true. But how do I know?

690
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 3: I have direct personal knowledge that And I'm not going

691
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 3: to specifically say what, but direct. I am telling you

692
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 3: I have direct personology that these programs exist. Now, I

693
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 3: don't know to what depth, and I don't know how

694
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: far they got. I don't know all of them, and

695
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 3: I don't know for sure what's going on.

696
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: Do you know that that basic fact.

697
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 3: I have, beyond a shadow of a shadow of doubt,

698
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 3: I am personally confident that these programs are not only operational,

699
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 3: but they have been operational for a long time. And

700
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 3: what brings you there? I'll give a little more because

701
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 3: I know it's weird. But so one of the ways

702
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 3: that you could be really confident with that is you

703
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 3: could have people come and provide you evidence and proof

704
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: to their own disadvantage, and that you could get a

705
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 3: lot of accounts and understanding from direct first and witnesses.

706
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: And then how you'd up that confidence is you'd pass

707
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: those people or information on to agencies that are policing

708
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 3: this within our government, and you get an affirmation that

709
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 3: that information is correct, that it's not lies and it's

710
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 3: not fictitious. Oh, I don't work for the governments, so

711
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 3: they won't tell me everything, you know what I mean.

712
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 3: But I mean, if I provide somebody in i'd like

713
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 3: you know heads up, were they a good witness? So

714
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: that's one way I can get higher confidence, and there's

715
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 3: other ways that you can have confidence in that statement.

716
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 3: Does that satisfy your questions?

717
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 4: Great?

718
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's what somebody would ask if because they're

719
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: big claims and it's I think it's.

720
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: It's an assertion or I'm more than a claim. Yeah,

721
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 3: it is a big it's a big concept on my

722
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 3: faulty pill to swallow, and it's not your faulty. I'm

723
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: not taking pills right exactly. I'm just looking at where

724
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 3: the evidence leaves me. And I know that might be frustrating.

725
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 3: We'll get your boots on the ground and go fucking work.

726
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 3: If you want to be as satisfied as me with

727
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 3: that reality. And you got big questions, right, don't read online,

728
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 3: get your fucking phone in your hand, get your boots

729
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: on the ground, and go find out for yourself. But

730
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 3: I will provide as much information as I can and

731
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 3: people can take it for whatever they value it at.

732
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: So so much has changed in the last I would say,

733
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: let's just call it ten years in the conversation surrounding

734
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: UAPs UFOs extraterrestrials changed a lot you know where we

735
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: are today in twenty twenty four. How so I just

736
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: think that the stigma has been loosened up a little bit.

737
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: It seems like that, and it seems like the younger

738
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: generation could give two shits. They're like, oh yeah, we

739
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: always kind of thought it was real anyways. It's just

740
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 1: it's your grandparents who are holding on to some idea

741
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: that it's a taboo thing or something. So I think

742
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: that just as a society, from my viewpoint, my perspective,

743
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: that's loosening up and people are more open to the

744
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: idea that there's a lot more going on out there

745
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: than we know, which I like that. But I'm just curious,

746
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: in your opinion, where does it go from here and

747
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: when does it come to some sort of head. And

748
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: I don't mean a disclosure moment, because I think wriddling

749
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: down to one moment is unrealistic. But at what point

750
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: does it come to ahead and we find something that's

751
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: just definitive enough to to shut up a debunker and

752
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: for us to use and apply new technology here today

753
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: and for it to be just common knowledge, Well, why

754
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: do you want that? I don't necessarily want that. It's

755
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: more that if all these things are true, then why

756
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: aren't they universally true?

757
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 3: A meaning like who else would agree with us?

758
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: Or yeah? Why because it?

759
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 3: What is true also is that there are a large

760
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: number of people who, even when presented with strong evidence,

761
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: we'll just say that's not real.

762
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: Why do you think they do that?

763
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 3: Well, I mean there's a lot of reasons people do that,

764
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 3: not only with UFOs.

765
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: They do that, and they did with COVID too, remember that,

766
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: I remember most everything they do it with whatever they

767
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 1: want to write.

768
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, well, look, so I'm just curious

769
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: where that comes from, because that's how I feel too.

770
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: So I feel the world has changed, and I feel like,

771
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 3: like you, I want a moment where we consensus reality

772
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 3: can be the same for everybody. That's what That's what

773
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 3: I said. It would be so neat right. It might

774
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: be less fondness ad the UFOs if we already agreed.

775
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 3: And I'm like, you know, I'm.

776
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: Just saying like we already know that, but I get.

777
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 3: That feeling, right, So at some point they're gonna be like, oh,

778
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: we knew it was true the whole way along, and

779
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, motherfucker. It's it's like your idea enough

780
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 3: the tweets no you didn't, ye, so, but you know,

781
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 3: we'll look at it this way. Like skepticism and rational

782
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 3: thought is highly valuable in a world where there's a

783
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: lot of gray area, like the UFO thing, because we

784
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 3: just don't know a lot about UFOs. Sure debunking is different.

785
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: That is the intentional obfuscation or denial of information to

786
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 3: fit towards a predetermined agenda that you want to be true.

787
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: That's or worse than that, they're just douchebags that like

788
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 3: want to create you know, haze where it should be clear.

789
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: On the subject.

790
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 3: So you got intentional disinformation, which is prolific in this

791
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: field and for good reason. We just talked about national security,

792
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 3: Like if any of that's true, there's good reason whether

793
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 3: it be directed disinformation, and there is. But you've got

794
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 3: like people that are skeptical and I love that. I

795
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 3: appreciate that. It's like, hell, yeah, needs that, and keep

796
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 3: keep me in a fact check me.

797
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: Let's do this. We should be checking.

798
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 3: Ourselves right, right, Totally different than debonkers.

799
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: Right.

800
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: So that is a corrosive element that is trying to

801
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 3: deceive through slid of hand, and that should be fought

802
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 3: against if we're going to spend our time and we're

803
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 3: going to try to learn more and get somewhere, it

804
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 3: does no value to give audience to people that are

805
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 3: blatantly just trying to make you spin your wheels. I

806
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 3: got no love and no hate for people like that.

807
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: They're not on my fucking radar. Their names don't even

808
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 3: leave my mouth. I don't care. They're who who I

809
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 3: think is important. They don't have an important voice. The

810
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 3: people that have an important voice, the people that really

811
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 3: want to know the truth. It might be highly skeptical,

812
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 3: and people that need to be reeled in because they're

813
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 3: too believery right, and why bring them in. So there's

814
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 3: just like there's a path forward, that's the path that

815
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: we're taking. People can talk, they can say bullshit. They

816
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 3: can attack people, like we saw with David Grush, where

817
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 3: people attacked his mental health because he came out said

818
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 3: something about UFOs, go fuck your shot.

819
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: Under the microscope of anything that's ever happened, ever, it's nonsense.

820
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: All this nonsense, the little gossip, the circles, Oh we're

821
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: working for this person, working for them, All of that

822
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 3: is nonsense. What we need to do is bring this

823
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 3: into public light. We need to have a rational discussion

824
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 3: about it. We need to destigmatize, popularize, bring it into

825
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 3: pop culture that it is okay for smart people to

826
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: have this conversation. And the noise and the dogs be barking.

827
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 3: All those names you were just putting through your head,

828
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 3: none of them matter.

829
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: Who matter?

830
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 3: Are the people that really are looking for the truth genuinely,

831
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 3: Those are the people that matter. And I would consider

832
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: looking for physically judging and applying. It's like I come

833
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 3: from true crime. Most of the sots I've investigated great shows.

834
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 3: I love your show. I've been vanished.

835
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

836
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 3: Man. It would be like if there was a suspect

837
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 3: and I said I wanted to fit this person, yeah,

838
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 3: and so that's a preconceived thought and so I'm making

839
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 3: it fit.

840
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: It be like if I saw UFO and I say

841
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 1: that's a balloon.

842
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 3: Now I'm gonna make it be a balloon, yeah, Or

843
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make it be this or that.

844
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: So it's it's gonna be more objective. Sometimes I think

845
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: when you're looking at stuff like UFO, that shit is

846
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,959
Speaker 1: on most sides, even on the side of like, okay,

847
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: it's aliens. Well, we don't know that either.

848
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,959
Speaker 3: Right, right, So, but I think that's just mental gymnastics

849
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 3: that people love doing that stuff and people get all

850
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 3: wrapped up and he said this, and they said this.

851
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 3: I've heard some most ridiculous Well it's it's round, it

852
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 3: must be it's round, and it's yellow, it must be

853
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:43,959
Speaker 3: the sun.

854
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: Like the logic.

855
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 3: I don't want to even get into some of the

856
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: debunking bullshit. It's not even worth it. So so basically,

857
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 3: if you see throughout someone's history that they are trying

858
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 3: to fit a mold and they're being disingenuous and doing so,

859
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 3: they are not honest brokers of inform. You should turn

860
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: them off. Debate them, you shouldn't what you should just

861
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 3: turn them off. They shouldn't even be worth your time.

862
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: But if you see somebody who's fighting for the truth

863
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 3: and has brought consistently the correct information, you should have

864
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 3: a little more faith and if they tell you something new.

865
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 1: Right.

866
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 3: So, that's the way that we have to navigate this

867
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 3: world of strange saucerland UFO stuff is just have this

868
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 3: idea that it's going to be complex. It's a briar patches.

869
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 3: Good actors, there's bad actors. Some people are really loud.

870
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean you need to listen to them more.

871
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 3: And everybody should decide for themselves reality, that's the way

872
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 3: you should go about it. Remember that Star Trek conference

873
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 3: in Vegas a couple of years ago. Yeah, brother, that

874
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: is when we first met. Yeah, that was awesome. I

875
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 3: my appreciated there. So I also I learned that is

876
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 3: that what you were doing that time? And you're always

877
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 3: talking at the well, you're.

878
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: Always doing some secret shit.

879
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 3: I feel like I mean to do that.

880
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the time was he in the room where

881
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: you when you guys, when you kept when you came

882
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: up to by the elevator, I introduced you to him.

883
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: That was his day, Big Dave. Yeah, David Gres Oh my,

884
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: you're fucking kidding me.

885
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 3: I know, because we're still being protective because look not because.

886
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: When we got off stage we went to the elevator,

887
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: that was Dave was there.

888
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 3: There's Dave, my buddy next to me, a big guy,

889
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 3: big yeah, I know, and they're great.

890
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: So it's like you look back at this stuff. So

891
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: for your audience, let me just break something out, please do.

892
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 3: I've been childhood friends with a guy named Eugene Roddenberry,

893
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: son of Geen Ronenberry, creator of Star Trek. So Eugene

894
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 3: Roddenberry has been my friend. We did jiu jitsu together

895
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 3: since we were children. He was like, you know, my

896
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: big brother and my other brother, my actual big brother.

897
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: They were good friends. So he was it.

898
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: He was he's a black belt, you know, from the

899
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 3: same group of SeNSS.

900
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:45,439
Speaker 1: So we hung out all the times.

901
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 3: So he says to me, Oh, this UFO thing, come

902
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 3: to the Star Trek thing and do a talk about

903
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 3: the real world UFOs. I'm like, for many years they

904
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 3: didn't do it. I'm like, fuck, yeah, I want to

905
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 3: see it, you know. So I was like, sure, I

906
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: don't know anything about Star Trek unfortunately, so but whatever

907
00:45:59,719 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: I want.

908
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: And it was cool.

909
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: And so that's when we invited David Grush because we

910
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: wanted to at that time, we were aware because he

911
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 3: came to me and George first outside of the intelligence communities,

912
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 3: and he wanted protection, and so we're like, cool, we

913
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 3: got to get to know you. This is a good chance.

914
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 3: It's in Vegas, George will be there, so we had

915
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 3: him come, uh and then we spent time kind of

916
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 3: getting to know what you're there, and I mean, he's

917
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: kind of my house and stuff. But that's when we

918
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 3: saw you. But I wasn't saying because this guy was

919
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 3: always lived in the shadows. He's an intelligence agent. He's

920
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: not used to being public, so I wasn't going to

921
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 3: be like, hey, buddy, who you I just mentioned the

922
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 3: UFO guy. I'm talking You're about to hear a lot

923
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 3: from him, you know what I mean? It was too early,

924
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 3: so but you know, that was part of that process.

925
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: And my other buddy, you know, UFO Joe, so he's

926
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 3: there too, And I felt bad like I didn't like

927
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 3: overtly say hey, you should pay attention, but he knew

928
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 3: that when we're hanging out that, you know, maybe there's

929
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: a reason he's a good documentary person in his mind

930
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 3: and the work he does on line.

931
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: The weird part was we're still figuring it out.

932
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 3: And when Dave got back to his agency at work

933
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 3: the next day, you know, he got pulled out of

934
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 3: his agency and basically given a plant and put on probation,

935
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 3: and it was like, we're like, oh shit is the

936
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 3: next day? Yeah, the next morning after he met with

937
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 3: you guys on Sunday. It wasn't us just for any

938
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 3: whistleblowers or sources that are there. It wasn't because of us,

939
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 3: but it was, like, I was really really disturbed me.

940
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: So we're trying to figure out it was.

941
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were already applying pressure because of his ICIG complaint,

942
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 3: so it wasn't directly because of me and Georgia, and

943
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 3: that got totally resolved. They were looking at like his

944
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 3: parking and stuff. They were doing anything they could fuck

945
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 3: with him. Gotcha, here's a guy that's just clean as

946
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 3: a whistle, Like you know, sure he has had PTSD

947
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 3: issues and all that stuff, but he survived it.

948
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: Man.

949
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so this is a guy they couldn't pin

950
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 3: on anything from and they were trying so hard to

951
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 3: fuck with him. And even after that meeting, it really

952
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 3: disturbed me and George. We looked into it and those

953
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 3: mechanisms of really, to be honest with you, absolutely fucking

954
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 3: with him. That's what the mechanisms were there for because

955
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 3: of his ICIG complaint, which.

956
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: Is illegal by the way.

957
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but not that anybody cares about law in this

958
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 3: field or in these realms that we're talking about a.

959
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: Lot, it seems. No, it's pretty crazy.

960
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 3: So anyway, that was a disturbing thing, and so that's

961
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 3: why even more so after that happened, I was like,

962
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 3: I want to make sure that there's no risk to him,

963
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 3: just knowing me and George.

964
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exactly, because that optically doesn't look good.

965
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: If this is already it's not even optics, it's like

966
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 3: real concern. Sure people that are putting themselves out there

967
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 3: are about to and are going through a legal process

968
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 3: to do so where it doesn't harm the United States

969
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 3: of America. So I'm happy to report to you that

970
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 3: that event was not because of the meeting with me

971
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 3: and George, that that had been something that they were

972
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 3: trying to do to minimize his complaints to the ICIG prior.

973
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 3: And I think all of this is accurate. Dave will

974
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 3: talk for himself, but I believe all of this is

975
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 3: accurate the way I'm saying it. So we were satisfied

976
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 3: at that point, me and George that okay, so they're

977
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 3: turning the heat up on Dave. We knew they were

978
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 3: going to do that. We didn't know they'd be so

979
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 3: despicable in the way that they did it. But that's okay.

980
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 3: He's resilient and and you know that's what happened. So, yeah,

981
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:16,959
Speaker 3: he was there.

982
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: That's that's amazing. God, it hurts me. No, that's actually

983
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: that was cool now that that's who that was. And

984
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: now I'm like putting his face to it, and I'm like,

985
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: holy shit, you're totally right, that's who that was.

986
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you see him in Congress and you see yeah,

987
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 3: also was there at Congress from lib so that data.

988
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: I saw you in Vegas when I didn't know. David

989
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: Russell was next to you and I shook his hand.

990
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: We had just gotten back from Area fifty one, not

991
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: inside obviously, just went to go see to the gate,

992
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: you know, and we went there in the podcast, and

993
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: I saw that you had gone there too. It's just

994
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: cool seeing it in person. Just growing up with the

995
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: lore around this place. What do you do you think

996
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: anything still goes on there and in in that realm

997
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: of things? Totally.

998
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 3: It's a perfect logistical location for secret Black Project work,

999
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 3: and there are current contracts and there is work that's

1000
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 3: done out there. Do I think the nine flying saucers

1001
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 3: at site for off of Papoose Lake, like Bob Lazarre said,

1002
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 3: is still there.

1003
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: I have no idea.

1004
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 3: I have talked to individuals and have recorded with them,

1005
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 3: and one day, I'll release that where they have gone

1006
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 3: out to papoos and they have been stopped by armed

1007
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 3: guard in military or non military. So corporate interest, black

1008
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 3: fatigue on the Dry Lake bed two people, one one

1009
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 3: on record with me. I might have the second one

1010
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 3: on record. So are they still doing work there?

1011
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:38,439
Speaker 1: Yes?

1012
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 3: Is it still the same work with the UFOs? Don't know.

1013
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: But Area fifty one itself is part of a huge

1014
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 3: Knellis complex where tons of work, like Area fifty two,

1015
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 3: tons of stealth work was done there. So it's a

1016
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 3: perfect strategic and logistical location for black project work. However,

1017
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 3: there are other locations that are more desirable in a

1018
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 3: lot of ways that our government currently has that people

1019
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 3: don't know about yet. Yeah, new Area fifty ones that

1020
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 3: people don't know about yet.

1021
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: New ones. Well yeah, I mean obviously you assume that there's.

1022
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 3: Facilities that the things have been moved to.

1023
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: We know, we know where where Aftyon one is, but

1024
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: we still can't see shit. Yeah, it's in a great spot.

1025
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: It's great, it's great. What are your thoughts on the

1026
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: Jellyfish UFO?

1027
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 3: So you know I released that, I do, Okay, so

1028
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 3: what do Yeah, what are your thoughts on that? My

1029
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 3: thoughts are so big after three and a half years

1030
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 3: of getting that to the point of releasing it. So

1031
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 3: I don't know that you have enough podcasts to talk

1032
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 3: about it. But overall, if you're asking me, do I

1033
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 3: feel confident with what I released to the public that

1034
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 3: it's worthy of public discourse?

1035
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: One hundred percent? And beyond if there was anything about

1036
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: one hundred percent? How big do you think that is

1037
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: the physical size of the object.

1038
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 3: It's really hard to answer that, but it was substantial

1039
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 3: in size, you know, I would you want to give

1040
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 3: you a guess? Yeah, yeah, yeah, not twenty feet, not

1041
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 3: three feet.

1042
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 1: But in between that, what do you think it really?

1043
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it does kind of look like a jellyfish.

1044
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: And if you if you look at the jellyfish emoji

1045
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: in your iPhone, have you seen that blue It kind.

1046
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 3: Of looks like the UFO. What do you think the hell?

1047
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 3: What is going on? Is it like a jetpack thing?

1048
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: Is it a yeah? I've seen some people of what

1049
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: is it? I mean, like, obviously we don't know, but

1050
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 1: have you tried to fill in the blanks in your mind?

1051
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: Is to imagine what that would really look like if

1052
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 1: you saw it up close?

1053
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 3: So I've talked with people who have seen much more

1054
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 3: high fidelity on that object than it actually had. Scales

1055
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 3: like armor like armored they called dragon armor like scales. Okay, metallic,

1056
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 3: you know. So my visual of it, in my mind

1057
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 3: is built not just on what is public and video,

1058
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 3: but also all the people that I've talked with. But

1059
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 3: what fascinates me more about it is the response and

1060
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 3: what occurred when that did an incursion on a military base,

1061
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 3: and then how that footage was handled. That is what

1062
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 3: I'm trying to heal that divide. I know who and

1063
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 3: where it is in official capacity, and I am, as

1064
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 3: I said publicly, willing to speak with I don't know

1065
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 3: about Arrow, but Senate Intelligence Committee for sure, and bring

1066
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 3: them in direct witnesses and bring them into the loop

1067
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 3: of exactly who confiscated it that night. What you're seeing

1068
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 3: is a recording on a screen where people live captured

1069
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 3: it during the then, and then over the years people

1070
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 3: will pass or whatever and somehow it leaked out, you know,

1071
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 3: to me, So the deal is for your audience. The

1072
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 3: Jellyfish UAP is the last most recent major release that

1073
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 3: George Knap and I obtained and put out, and it's

1074
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 3: a whole story behind it, and it is worthy of

1075
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Speaker 3: public debate and knowledge, and I think it's going to

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Speaker 3: prove to be a very important case long term when

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Speaker 3: it comes to UAP.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's extraterrestrial? I would have no idea.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means. I mean, just

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Speaker 1: it is it one of ours? Or do you think

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Speaker 1: it's not ours? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Oh, is it like Lockeed Martin's thing or yeah? Is

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Speaker 3: it our own craft? Or is it otherworldly? You know,

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Speaker 3: it's actually a great question. I don't have any way

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Speaker 3: of answering that. Yeah, it doesn't even look like a craft, like.

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Speaker 3: I can't assign it to anything but what it did

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Speaker 3: and what I'm aware of and the response to the base.

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00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 3: But I would say that whatever it is, the most

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00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 3: important thing is that it's being hidden from you. And

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Speaker 3: that's the thing about it. It was being hidden even

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Speaker 3: from the agencies that we're dealing with that time period

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00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 3: at that base, and that is a problem. So whatever

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00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 3: it is, it is identical to what I am aware

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00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 3: of filmed through pantext, which is a military installation or

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Speaker 3: nuclear weapons installation in Texas. So that's what really piqued

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Speaker 3: my interest. Is that I've it's not the first time

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Speaker 3: I heard of this John Keel and his book back

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Speaker 3: Operation Trojan.

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Speaker 1: Course.

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Speaker 3: One of the most common UFOs is jellyfish shaped translucent

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Speaker 3: jellyfish shape.

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Speaker 1: Here it goes one of those things, bro, I had

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Speaker 1: what we were talking about. Yeah, we're wrapped, man, this

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Speaker 1: has been an absolute blast. Anything you want to leave

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Speaker 1: the audience with is in terms of what to expect

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Speaker 1: from you next as a uh documentarian journalist and being

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Speaker 1: on at the forefront of finding the truth here. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm head right in the GIA team here, so

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Speaker 3: well check it out. I think that one of the

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Speaker 3: reasons we were talking was so there's this to be

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Speaker 3: special which is called UFO Revolution, and I actually really

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Speaker 3: love it because it really takes people from A to

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Speaker 3: Z with kind of how we got to where we

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Speaker 3: are and where we are now. With the UFO thing,

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Speaker 3: you got a lot of people that are involved in

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Speaker 3: the production of it, so you get to hear them talk.

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Speaker 3: For me, it was very uncomfortable because it was very

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Speaker 3: personal to me. They really like allowed I allowed a

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Speaker 3: personal experience with the cameras for your life, yeah, and

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Speaker 3: just telling people what what's going on on so that's

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00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 3: a neat thing. I think people should get up to

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00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 3: date and watch that. It's like totally free, just click

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Speaker 3: a Tubu link and then what's coming next?

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Speaker 1: I never know.

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Speaker 3: I never know, Like all cannons are loaded, and we'll

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Speaker 3: see what has to happen. I think we will see

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00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 3: more hearings, hopefully hear from first hand witnesses. That's what

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Speaker 3: we're all aiming for, So we'll see. But I think

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00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 3: it's going to take everybody kind of fighting to want

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Speaker 3: to know more about this and from whatever their advantage is.

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Speaker 3: And I think if people kind of pay less attention

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Speaker 3: to the distractions and really try to focus in on

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Speaker 3: getting to the core consensus reality of this, removing stigma.

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Speaker 3: Removing stigma. We can all disagree about stuff. You can

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Speaker 3: disagree about Bob Bazar, you can disagree about the jellyfish ufo,

1136
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 3: you can disagree about the Tic tac ufo. You can

1137
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 3: disagree about the twenty nineteen events. We could disagree about

1138
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 3: everything which beer we like. But we can all agree

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Speaker 3: that there is something that is up and and and

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Speaker 3: it behooves us to try to figure out together what

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Speaker 3: that might be. And that's the only way we're going

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Speaker 3: to advance this topic. And we're all in the same boat,

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00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 3: even if we're fighting amongst you, all in the same

1144
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 3: boat on it. So I'd highly encourage everybody throw down

1145
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Speaker 3: their best bucking shot this year to get to the

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Speaker 3: truth about the UFO thing.

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Speaker 1: If if there was nothing up, then we should know

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Speaker 1: that by now. It's a tired story, right, It's like,

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00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: come on, man, we figured out so many other things

1150
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Speaker 1: in these hundred years. Why is this one still nagging

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00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: at us? So because there's something.

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Speaker 3: Going on persistent, right, So poky UFO problem so persistent

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Speaker 3: right there, it's right there.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I'm a huge fan of your workman, and

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Speaker 1: I'm just excited that you know, you're out there and

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Speaker 1: you know, doing the doing the work man, and I'm

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Speaker 1: just you know, looking forward to everything next thing you do. Man.

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Speaker 1: So I appreciate it. Be on the show, not.

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Speaker 3: Going quietly into the night, that's for sure. This year's

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Speaker 3: gonna be fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, Yeah, I like that too too. You got

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Speaker 1: to you gotta just push past the reluctance and just

1164
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Speaker 1: say fuck this, I'm gonna go find out. Yeah, thank you, Hey, man,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, he shares.

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Speaker 4: Noah is a hub for fifteen surrounding villages over an

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Speaker 4: area sid Said, Ohio. People escaping come to Nome because

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Speaker 4: it's so far removed. People running away from stuff, often

1184
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 4: bad people, people with bad intentions. They can come up

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Speaker 4: into Nome and they can get away with stuff. I

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Speaker 4: was the radiologist at the hospital in Nome. Florence worked

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Speaker 4: at the hospital. She was always showing up to work

1188
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Speaker 4: with bruises and stuff, bruises. Somebody was abusing her. She

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Speaker 4: would always show up with bruises. I shared all this

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Speaker 4: with the DEA. There's a lot of good people up there,

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Speaker 4: but there's a dark side. You get into power up there,

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Speaker 4: and you just can get away with so much. The

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Speaker 4: people that you can control, people that grew up there,

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Speaker 4: They lived there and know them. Their families are there,

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Speaker 4: their job is there, their kids are there. They can't

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Speaker 4: go anywhere. They can't speak up against these power structures.

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Speaker 4: Too many people are aware of this stuff. If you

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Speaker 4: hear that something's happening, somebody's being heard or taken advantage

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Speaker 4: of reviews or stolen from you, don't just look the

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Speaker 4: other way. There's feak categories that put these people in.

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Speaker 4: There's people that commit a crime. The next category is

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Speaker 4: people that actively help. They didn't actually do the crime,

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Speaker 4: but they actually participate in a cover up. The third

1204
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Speaker 4: category they're aware that this person's covering this up. And

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Speaker 4: they're aware that this person did this, and they don't

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Speaker 4: say anything.

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