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Speaker 1: On today's episode of Reality with King, honey is an emergency,
Speaker 1: It's a bird, it's a plane. No, it's the end
Speaker 1: of an era. We have to talk about the breaking
Speaker 1: news of what's been happening today in the sense of
Speaker 1: that the Pump Rules as we all know it is
Speaker 1: coming to an end. But with a twist, I could
Speaker 1: not do this episode. Hello, please help me In breaking back,
Speaker 1: fan favorite gip said John Well I'm happy to have
Speaker 1: you on board and thank you for being available. So listen.
Speaker 1: I think we all knew where we were when we
Speaker 1: first heard that Arianna was being cheated on by Tom
Speaker 1: with Raquel. I think we all knew where we were
Speaker 1: when major events happened in the world. And today we
Speaker 1: all knew where we were when we got the news
Speaker 1: that have Ban the Poem Rules original cast is out
Speaker 1: the door. So Gibson, the news has broken that the
Speaker 1: current cast, the legacy cast of Band the Poem Rules,
Speaker 1: is gone, but that the show will be rebooted with
Speaker 1: a brand new cast of young kull Falls. Break it
Speaker 1: down to me, Gibson, what's going on here? I'm like
Speaker 1: freaking out.
Speaker 2: This this sort of brings Lisa back into the set
Speaker 2: the spotlight like she because her her star has been
Speaker 2: kind of fading in the Bravo worlds. She's taking her
Speaker 2: show to Hulu. So I kind of think this is partially,
Speaker 2: you know, a play to get Lisa sort of back
Speaker 2: in the fold in a big way. I think it's
Speaker 2: I think their budgets were all ballooning. I think that
Speaker 2: you know, there was the highest rate show on Bravo.
Speaker 2: It was going to be expensive, and yeah, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be a whole new crop of hopefully messy, hopefully not
Speaker 2: too hopefully not too you know, fame hungry, hopefully not
Speaker 2: too like aware, like I hope they just to kind
Speaker 2: of find a great group that works there.
Speaker 3: But you know, I don't know. It threw me for
Speaker 3: a loop today, it did.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about it? Do you think it's
Speaker 1: a step in the right direction or are you afraid
Speaker 1: that is going to go down the route of the
Speaker 1: horrible season that we have a Roney reboot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that I'm sad about it. My initial
Speaker 2: emotion was sad because it's the end of an era
Speaker 2: and it was such a good run for this show,
Speaker 2: and it's it's weird because the show two seasons ago,
Speaker 2: the Scandabal season, was such a high, not just for
Speaker 2: the show but for Bravo. It was like the most
Speaker 2: all encompassing moment that brab was maybe ever had in
Speaker 2: its entire run. Just kind of like like kind of
Speaker 2: the size of pop the portion of pop culture that
Speaker 2: I was taking up, Like it's gone from such a
Speaker 2: high to now, oh my god, we're saying goodbye to
Speaker 2: all these people. Two years later, less than two years later,
Speaker 2: and I'm sad about it, but I think realistically they
Speaker 2: maybe would have gotten one more season out of these people.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't have been a very good season. You know,
Speaker 2: none of them talk to each other anymore. They don't
Speaker 2: like each other, they don't want to film with each other,
Speaker 2: And so in my mind I've kind of gotten to
Speaker 2: a point already today where I'm like, why not try
Speaker 2: this out? Why not see if you can go back
Speaker 2: to the basics and get some cheap talent, get some
Speaker 2: people who are really desperate to make a name for themselves.
Speaker 2: And because the thing is the thing that I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people have compared it to the Rony
Speaker 2: reboot in a you know, it makes sense because these
Speaker 2: are the only two times we've seen them kind of
Speaker 2: wipe the whole slate clean. But the difference for me
Speaker 2: is that there's two. One is that desperation and wanting
Speaker 2: to be famous is sort of intrinsic to the vander
Speaker 2: pumb Rules DNA that first season, Sheena Jack Stace Sandival.
Speaker 2: They all wanted to be actors, they all wanted to
Speaker 2: be celebrities, and that was sort of that's what LA
Speaker 2: is all about. It's about climbing that ladder, and if
Speaker 2: reality TV is that avenue for these people, then beeit.
Speaker 3: And then the other thing is.
Speaker 2: That, like on Roney, one of the biggest things I
Speaker 2: think that has has hurt has heard its chances of
Speaker 2: really connecting is that this isn't a real that is
Speaker 2: not a real group of friends. They weren't friends before
Speaker 2: the show, and maybe these aren't. This isn't a group
Speaker 2: of friends. But these people work together whoever they find,
Speaker 2: they're all working in the same place, and so there's
Speaker 2: a natural meeting point, there's a natural connection, there's a
Speaker 2: natural point of like something they have in common, and
Speaker 2: so I think that it has a better chance. A
Speaker 2: show like this has a better chance that a reboot
Speaker 2: than I think a Housewives does in terms of wiping
Speaker 2: this saying clean.
Speaker 3: At least from my point of view.
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree with that. So this this is my
Speaker 1: My initial reaction upon hearing the news was like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, because I still have Ptsdeah from the Roney
Speaker 1: reboot that that's that's not serving me. So that was
Speaker 1: my initial, you know, knee jerk reaction, like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I don't need another show ruined like shade if you
Speaker 1: want it. I'm not being shady, I'm being honest. Ronnie
Speaker 1: reboot is not good, and I don't care who says
Speaker 1: it is. It's not good. It's not good. The cast
Speaker 1: are great, talented, successful women. They're accomplished, they're they're everything
Speaker 1: you want in an accomplish New York City women. They're
Speaker 1: not reality stars. And it's and it's okay to say that.
Speaker 1: I Carlos King have a great personality. I'm whimsical. I'm
Speaker 1: not that bad to look at. Okay, I would be
Speaker 1: a horrible reality star. I'm private. I have never shared
Speaker 1: my relationship. I don't want you guys knowing anything I
Speaker 1: do between the hours of nine am and nine pm.
Speaker 1: And granted i'm working, so I'm kind of boring, you know,
Speaker 1: like I don't. I'm kind of boring. I would be
Speaker 1: a horrible reality star. So it's not a disc it's is.
Speaker 1: It is what it is. So that was my kneej reaction.
Speaker 1: And then I calmed down, and then I was driving
Speaker 1: to get my haircut and I had a moment of
Speaker 1: reflection and I said, you know what, kudos, so bravo,
Speaker 1: And here's why I'm sick and tired of talent on
Speaker 1: ensemble shows thinking they're the star of it and that
Speaker 1: the show will not continue without them. Yes, like guys
Speaker 1: like it needs them, Yeah, it needs them. Like I'm
Speaker 1: sick and tired of talent on ensemble shows thinking like
Speaker 1: I can do what I want and they'll fire everybody
Speaker 1: else but me.
Speaker 2: You should.
Speaker 1: No one's safe. It's an ensemble show. It's a group. Okay,
Speaker 1: no one makes it as a solo star in reality television. Okay,
Speaker 1: we fell in love with you, the star of the show,
Speaker 1: because yes, you can be the star of the ensemble show.
Speaker 1: But make no mistake, it doesn't mean that the show
Speaker 1: cannot go on without you. And one thing I'll always
Speaker 1: tell people is when it comes to the ensemble world,
Speaker 1: it's like the starting five lineup of a sports game.
Speaker 1: Lebron James is arguably the greatest athlete of all time
Speaker 1: in the NBA, Right, Michael Jordan, Lebron James, Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: is nothing without his team, of the of the of
Speaker 1: the players. Lebron James is not anything without his team.
Speaker 1: Lebron James cannot win a championship ring if he's on
Speaker 1: the court by himself. Right, Yeah, I wish reality stars
Speaker 1: would understand that. And the problem with these VANDAM Pump
Speaker 1: Rules cast members. They drank the kool A, they drank
Speaker 1: them OA, they drank the Asus Spades, and they got
Speaker 1: drunk with fame. They got drunk with power, and they
Speaker 1: got drunk with delusion. And this is what the fuck
Speaker 1: you get. This is what the get when you think
Speaker 1: your shit doesn't think. This is what you get when
Speaker 1: you lost the plot. We loved you, guys when you
Speaker 1: were broke in an apartment with doodoo brown carpet that
Speaker 1: needed cleaning. We loved you when you had the blinthe
Speaker 1: in your apartment that you have to twist in order
Speaker 1: to pull it down. We loved it. Yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 1: love to come up.
Speaker 2: And that's what vander Hump Rules ultimately has always been
Speaker 2: a like that, that sort of it was sort of
Speaker 2: this like Cinderella story, that's sort of like you wanted
Speaker 2: to root for these people, but ultimately they've gotten to
Speaker 2: the point that we are rooting for them to get
Speaker 2: to and now it's sort of like, well, let's let's
Speaker 2: pull it back here a little bit, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. And the other thing is that now Bravo
Speaker 2: has other avenue to keep these people in the full
Speaker 2: which is via the Valley. So and that really is
Speaker 2: what that that makes sense for maybe some of these
Speaker 2: people to graduate into that eventually. I you know, we're
Speaker 2: gonna see Sheena, La La Schwartz and brock On there
Speaker 2: in some capacity next season, not as full time people, but.
Speaker 3: Separate the two.
Speaker 2: I think I think that these two shows were sort
Speaker 2: of verging into the same lane. It's sort of like
Speaker 2: there's only so much space on that road. And I
Speaker 2: think that the Valley has been such has been such
Speaker 2: a hit and such a that's just getting started. So
Speaker 2: it's sort of like reset the Vanda pump rules thing,
Speaker 2: you know, reined in. And I think it's really smart,
Speaker 2: I really do. And I'm again I'm sad that it's
Speaker 2: the end of the era, but you know, the show
Speaker 2: was reaching its end, its natural endpoint. It really was,
Speaker 2: and and I think that like it had that one
Speaker 2: last burst where it reached heights that had never reached
Speaker 2: before was scandabal and I will always have that moment
Speaker 2: as Bravo fans and people. I mean, it was it
Speaker 2: was such a moment, but it was only going to
Speaker 2: come down from that. You can't you can't sustain that,
Speaker 2: And and I was thinking about it because I'm like
Speaker 2: Southern Charm and Vanda Pump Rules sort of started around
Speaker 2: the same time, and they had a similar trajectory at first,
Speaker 2: but then Vanda Pump Rules obviously took it much like
Speaker 2: you know, it went to New Heights and Van think
Speaker 2: Southern Charm is more a steady, a steady burn. And
Speaker 2: it's interesting because I'm sort of like it's almost a testament. Obviously,
Speaker 2: Scandabal was so huge, I mean, you got it. It
Speaker 2: nominated for an Emmy Highest Rate of John Bravo. But
Speaker 2: it may be also as a testament to not have
Speaker 2: a big moment like that, because slow and steady might
Speaker 2: keep you going for longer, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Because I don't know, I just think it's so hard
Speaker 2: to come back from that, and sometimes you can get
Speaker 2: too big to sustain, you know.
Speaker 1: No, it's true, it's true. No, that's a really good point.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's felt like when you jump the shark, right, Like,
Speaker 1: when something is so big, it's sort of like, how
Speaker 1: can you top this? And hard it milked?
Speaker 3: It's so hard to you know, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's hard to do that. In reality, like in the
Speaker 1: scripted world, you have the imagination to come up with
Speaker 1: anything you know on the top of your head, but
Speaker 1: in reality you have to work with real people to
Speaker 1: get real stories. That makes sense. Let's let's let's go
Speaker 1: back to the original plot of Vanda Pump rule. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, the genius idea following Let's let's call it
Speaker 1: what it is. Lisa Vanda Pump was the breakout star
Speaker 1: of Belly Hills, right, I mean, fan favorite the whole night.
Speaker 1: I personally, after episode one, I was standing for a
Speaker 1: chimio grammar minority, you know.
Speaker 2: Like, but Lisa Vanner Pump was like the the shiny
Speaker 2: new thing that we've never seen before, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, and she represented Beverly Hill feel Yes, yes
Speaker 1: it was. It was. It was over the tiles, oh,
Speaker 1: all of those things and the doggies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like it was many ponies.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. So I mean her daughter's name is Pandora.
Speaker 1: I mean, what more do we have to say. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the wealth of that. Okay, So it
Speaker 1: was genius give said to take this breakout star and say, oh,
Speaker 1: you have a restaurant. You have these kids who work there,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. And Brandy Glanville husband slept with a waitress there, like,
Speaker 1: what what's happening at your restaurant, pup. So it was
Speaker 1: genius to sort of like do a pilot to see
Speaker 1: what was going on there, what was cooking and and
Speaker 1: and this is why you have to give Bravo props
Speaker 1: because listen up. Bravo is known as a network to
Speaker 1: show the opulent world of the elite. And when it
Speaker 1: came to Vandapart rules, it was it was it was
Speaker 1: risky to say, okay, we have this opulent woman named
Speaker 1: Lisa Amandam pomp who has a famous last name. But
Speaker 1: will people be invested in these kids living like being
Speaker 1: roommates like like kind of on this sort of like
Speaker 1: this is no shade but kind of like a mama
Speaker 1: June asked, you know, back, if you will, just very
Speaker 1: like normal and the class isn't.
Speaker 4: Isn't attainable attainable, thank you Gibson, much more political correctionable,
Speaker 4: if you will.
Speaker 1: Right. So it was risky because the the number one
Speaker 1: demographic for Bravo is high affluent white women, right, That's
Speaker 1: that's the number one demo for that network. So it
Speaker 1: was risky to show these kids not have it all,
Speaker 1: but it goes to show you that story will always
Speaker 1: rule any TV show. Total. It was the personal stories
Speaker 1: of this cast. And they're gorgeous and they're messy and
Speaker 1: they sleep with each other, but they also are like
Speaker 1: best friends and it's okay to grow. We saw Kim
Speaker 1: Kardashian girl from being like, oh that's that girl that
Speaker 1: David ray j to like this bona fide star. But
Speaker 1: let's have a real conversation. You and I are fans
Speaker 1: of the kardash A lot of people are like famous, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you'reself famous. Is like, are you really gonna give us
Speaker 1: the real deal? Like you did when you called it?
Speaker 1: Reggie Bush and had said, who are these floors you're talking? Said, yeah,
Speaker 1: one day you and I would do a podcast episode
Speaker 1: dedicated to every nash. But you do put your point,
Speaker 1: Gibson to where you lost the plot. And I think
Speaker 1: the problem was these want to be actors and musicians
Speaker 1: became famous and then they became rich. And what was
Speaker 1: the problem. Do you do you think the problem was
Speaker 1: some of the cast members and and and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: call their names and you don't have to at all. Gibbs.
Speaker 1: Do you think some of the cast members I E.
Speaker 1: La La Kent, Tom Sandoval, Tom Schwortz, those three to
Speaker 1: me drink the kool aid? If I'm being completely honest, Arianna,
Speaker 1: I think just started sipping the kool aid out of
Speaker 1: her sippy cup, and that was evident in this last
Speaker 1: season where she did not want to even give Tom
Speaker 1: aa conversation on camera. Do you think that's what caused
Speaker 1: this show to lose his luster? Or do you think
Speaker 1: it's the fact that they became so famous and successful
Speaker 1: that the audience didn't care. Child, We are just getting started.
Speaker 1: This is Reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show. Arianna, I think just
Speaker 1: started sipping the kool aid out of her sippy cup,
Speaker 1: and that was evident in this last season where she
Speaker 1: did not want to even give Tom a conversation on camera.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's what caused this show to lose
Speaker 1: his luster? Or do you think is the fact that
Speaker 1: they became so famous and successful that the audience didn't care.
Speaker 3: It's a really good question.
Speaker 2: I think that I think it was almost this convergence
Speaker 2: of like what's expected of reality stars and what is
Speaker 2: right is good for you as a human.
Speaker 3: I think that Arianna put up.
Speaker 2: Some human, very human and very necessary for her own sake,
Speaker 2: boundaries for herself, and that was all I was a
Speaker 2: result of scandaval and being portrayed in real life, but
Speaker 2: that was intension with what you're supposed to do as
Speaker 2: a reality star.
Speaker 3: And so and I.
Speaker 2: You know, when Vanderhubtruls was getting to this point and
Speaker 2: sort of post and especially post scandival, something that I
Speaker 2: was saying and thinking about was like, I actually think
Speaker 2: that the way that they could have maybe sustained the
Speaker 2: show for slightly longer is to have leaned into slightly
Speaker 2: breaking the fourth wall and acknowledging their fame in a
Speaker 2: really overt way and really making it like a show
Speaker 2: about reality stars. You know, like if you bring it
Speaker 2: back to the Kardashians. The moments that they can still
Speaker 2: really pique my interest in a big way on the
Speaker 2: show is when they really show me the moment behind
Speaker 2: the moment, Like when there's a big public moment for
Speaker 2: them that we have seen in the headlines already, but
Speaker 2: we don't know what really happened behind the scenes, and
Speaker 2: they show us on the show months later. That gets
Speaker 2: my attention because it shows me how it all worked.
Speaker 2: You know, what was the messaging, How who was texting who?
Speaker 2: All that kind of shit. I wanted that on ban
Speaker 2: rules in some capacity, like show me them like with
Speaker 2: their competing celebrity brands and podcasts and whatever, because that's
Speaker 2: the real tension here. The real tension is I want
Speaker 2: this cash cow. I still want this job that my
Speaker 2: entire business is based around, and it wouldn't have to
Speaker 2: be too business, ye, I think, because I think that
Speaker 2: if they were allowed to really again overtly talk about
Speaker 2: this stuff, it would have freed them up to like
Speaker 2: because I feel like they were also kind of talking
Speaker 2: around it a lot of the time, you know what
Speaker 2: an I mean. It was sort of like they could
Speaker 2: acknowledge the show, but not really And that was really
Speaker 2: the ultimate crux of the issue, was like the fact
Speaker 2: that they're on TV and they're expected to show things.
Speaker 2: But so I don't know exactly what that would have
Speaker 2: looked like, but I kind of wish they had pivoted
Speaker 2: a little bit to it being more about the show
Speaker 2: it being a show, if that makes sense, because I
Speaker 2: think that would have given them a little more breathing
Speaker 2: room and it would have like it just felt like
Speaker 2: people were walking on eggshells last season until the very
Speaker 2: end when they had that big blow up, which maybe
Speaker 2: was too little, too late.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, no, I agree with you. Listen,
Speaker 1: the jig is up right. The audience understands that. Guys,
Speaker 1: we understand you. Guys call the location, you pay them
Speaker 1: a fee them, you tell the cast where to go,
Speaker 1: you tell them where to be at, you give them
Speaker 1: a call sheet, you give them a schedule. Like the
Speaker 1: audience other stands that. So to your point, breaking the
Speaker 1: fourth wall is fantastic in this day and age because
Speaker 1: the audience wants to feel like, Okay, we know this
Speaker 1: isn't scripted, we know that it's situational, and we're okay
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah. So I love a show when you
Speaker 1: talk about like, well, no bitch, you said this about
Speaker 1: me on Twitter, or like I watched a fucking episode
Speaker 1: you said about me last year. I got mad at ya,
Speaker 1: Like that's real life stuff. And again, it's what we
Speaker 1: want to see, and we just wasn't getting the real
Speaker 1: anymore because the reality is like again, it's like I
Speaker 1: love a boy band too. It's like in sync. It's
Speaker 1: sort of like how Lance Band spilt the tea, Lance Bass,
Speaker 1: excuse me spilt the tea? That look justin temper Lake
Speaker 1: felt like I don't need you guys anymore, like I'm
Speaker 1: just in Temperlake. And how Lance Bass admits it that
Speaker 1: every male in that group felt like, well, can this
Speaker 1: group move on without justin Timberlake. You know, That's what
Speaker 1: happens in these ensemble shows. So what people don't know
Speaker 1: is this, and I've worked on many ensembles in my lifetime,
Speaker 1: there is a breakout star, right what happens Sometimes the
Speaker 1: breakout star gets an ego and they start to say
Speaker 1: to and you don't, you don't. You probably don't know
Speaker 1: this Gibson the breakout star. Some of them starts to
Speaker 1: say this while filming, Well, it's my show, so you
Speaker 1: know I'm the star of the show. It's my show.
Speaker 1: I'm the star of the show. And not only do
Speaker 1: they say that to the producers, they say that in
Speaker 1: front of their cast and Gibson it happens more times
Speaker 1: and you think, and what that does for a cast
Speaker 1: member is they feel like, well, why am I here?
Speaker 1: And that's when you start seeing moments uppear on camera
Speaker 1: when you hear reality starts saying, I'm not giving her
Speaker 1: a moment. She wants a moment. She wants a moment
Speaker 1: because and this is something you may not also know,
Speaker 1: GiB say, you may know this. The star will not
Speaker 1: film with the person they have an issue with because
Speaker 1: they feel like if I don't film with them, they'll
Speaker 1: get fired. Let me ice them out. I want them
Speaker 1: out the show. I want them gone. And when you
Speaker 1: have producers say to them, like, guys, it's an ensemble show,
Speaker 1: like this show is big because all of you guys
Speaker 1: make sense. It's it's hard to deal with the ego.
Speaker 1: And I feel like with the vand the Pump Rules,
Speaker 1: the real lot of egos. There were lots of egos
Speaker 1: on that show. And I think the only person who
Speaker 1: may not suffered with an ego to me is Katie.
Speaker 3: I think that's probably accurate.
Speaker 2: I think that what's also interesting about that dynamic and
Speaker 2: Vander Pump Rules is that Arianna and I've always loved
Speaker 2: her on the show because I always just felt, I
Speaker 2: don't know, she always is like cool and like kind
Speaker 2: of unbothered the whole time, but she was kind of
Speaker 2: a reluctant star of the show because this happened to her,
Speaker 2: and then she became this woman scored, and she kind
Speaker 2: of took advantage of every opportunity as she should have done.
Speaker 3: And she she.
Speaker 2: You know, she built her this thing and she capitalized
Speaker 2: on it to an extent where she kind of outgrew
Speaker 2: the show. She's really the only one that I think
Speaker 2: can sustain something completely unrelated to Vander Rules for the
Speaker 2: next five or ten years.
Speaker 1: But gives I'd never cut you off. Baby. You think
Speaker 1: Arianna has thing Papa five years?
Speaker 2: She could host Love Island for the next five years.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I give her two years. Max.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I think that she could. I think that
Speaker 2: she could at least host Love Island for a while,
Speaker 2: and that's enough to sustain a career in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you see her doing anything else with I
Speaker 1: was hosting Love Island.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna be like another Dancing with
Speaker 2: the Stars big moment or like whatever. But I think
Speaker 2: that she's made I think that she's built herself enough
Speaker 2: into a recognizable name, more so than her castmates at
Speaker 2: this point, to like a broader swath of people that
Speaker 2: she could be called to do random you know, guests,
Speaker 2: like she's about to do a get like a guest
Speaker 2: and on some show that I've ever heard of. But like,
Speaker 2: I think she can continue to do that kind of
Speaker 2: stuff for a while. Personally, I really do. I will
Speaker 2: say this, though she has a good agent.
Speaker 1: I will say this. I will say this. I will
Speaker 1: give Arianna her props when it comes to this. The
Speaker 1: woman studied, she did hosting.
Speaker 3: She's good.
Speaker 1: I'm impressed. I got a chance to see some of
Speaker 1: Love Island. I got a chance to see her do
Speaker 1: the Emmy's after party with like nine leaks and Justin Sylvester.
Speaker 1: I will say this, Gibson, the woman has what it takes.
Speaker 1: And the only reason why I'm pushing back is this.
Speaker 1: She was springboarded because of the scandal, and you're she's
Speaker 1: like this reluctant star. I'm gonna say it, And guys,
Speaker 1: it's because I know a lot about how this how
Speaker 1: this shit works. You got those gigs because of the scandal,
Speaker 1: because you were on the tip of everyone's time. You're
Speaker 1: only as good as your last episode. You're only as
Speaker 1: good as your last season. When you when you're agent
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, sends you offer gigs and they say, Hi,
Speaker 1: I have Arianno Mattos. What shows y'all currently? Well, you
Speaker 1: know she's hosting Love Island. Is the number one thing
Speaker 1: that showed Peacock okay, is she's so in that show
Speaker 1: Man the Pump Rules that gets two million views a week. No,
Speaker 1: that show is done. Oh can we get Bronway from
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City?
Speaker 4: Because we hear she was talk of the town.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's going to be it. And that's the
Speaker 1: reason why. Because a lot of people are like, why
Speaker 1: are you so hard on Arianna? I'm not hard on
Speaker 1: any of the of my of my reality cast. I
Speaker 1: try to give them advice. My problem with Ariana was
Speaker 1: I wish her agent, her lawyer, her best friend, and
Speaker 1: I saw the producers do it, so shout out to
Speaker 1: the producers. I wish somebody what I said to her,
Speaker 1: love girl. We don't have that much time to milk
Speaker 1: this ship. I understand it's a problem. Give give us
Speaker 1: a scene with you and Tom give us because I'm
Speaker 1: able to at least give you two years of more gigs.
Speaker 1: And La La, in my opinion, became jealous of Arianna,
Speaker 1: and because La La felt like I give my bluff
Speaker 1: went in tears and she did.
Speaker 3: She did, Yeah, she did, La La.
Speaker 1: To me, to me, to me. Before the scandal, La
Speaker 1: La was the face of Man the Pump Rules.
Speaker 2: To me, I think she was the most natural reality
Speaker 2: star on that show and probably still is. Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I star power.
Speaker 1: I low key feel sorry for her because she did
Speaker 1: give so much of the show. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: giving yourself to any job and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you get laid off, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So yeah, literally, I think I think, and who knows
Speaker 2: what Season two of The Valley really is going to be,
Speaker 2: but I really do think that like that show will
Speaker 2: ingest one or two of.
Speaker 3: These people at some point, I really do.
Speaker 2: I think you let the dust settle, you kind of
Speaker 2: let the association or whatever kind of reputation they have
Speaker 2: from the past year or two kind of fade away,
Speaker 2: and then you bring them back to the If if
Speaker 2: Lala basically fades from from TV for the next two
Speaker 2: years and then they Bravo teases a big return to
Speaker 2: her on The Valley, I think it would be heralded
Speaker 2: as kind.
Speaker 3: Of a moment, you know what I mean. Like, I
Speaker 3: think that like, you.
Speaker 2: Know, everyone loves a return, and we have we have
Speaker 2: short memories and we're fickle as viewers, and people would
Speaker 2: like to see her back.
Speaker 3: I think in two years. I really do.
Speaker 2: I really think that. So maybe that's the key to you.
Speaker 2: Maybe just wait it out a little bit and keep
Speaker 2: doing your podcast and raising your two daughters, and then
Speaker 2: pitch yourself to Bravo in two years for the Valley
Speaker 2: season four.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I actually agree with that. I think listen,
Speaker 1: I think a Lotla is meant to be in reality television.
Speaker 2: She went too far, she took it to she got,
Speaker 2: she got ahead of her herself.
Speaker 1: You know, Oh she did, she did, she did, and
Speaker 1: that's the listen. Listen, listen, listen. If you are a
Speaker 1: reality star, will want to become one. Listen up. You
Speaker 1: have to have people on your team who tells you
Speaker 1: things you do not want to hear totally, who challenges you. Okay,
Speaker 1: the moment you push back and you feel like you
Speaker 1: know everything, some things you are going to know and
Speaker 1: have an instinct about, and you should ride with that.
Speaker 1: A lot of things you're not going to know because
Speaker 1: you have an emotional reaction to things, and that's going
Speaker 1: to be the problem. So this is what La La says.
Speaker 1: I want to start reading the reactions of the capah.
Speaker 1: So Lala said, where to begin. I was a young
Speaker 1: girl from Salt Lake City. I mean, I wouldn't mind
Speaker 1: seeing La La take Heather down on Salt Lake City.
Speaker 2: But that's put Lala on secret Lizer woman wives.
Speaker 1: Right exactly. Okay, So she talks about La La being
Speaker 1: her nickname. Sir was a place that became home. She
Speaker 1: was sipping vodka. Blah blah, blah, blah blah. A short
Speaker 1: time later, Ben the Porrules called whatever she said. I
Speaker 1: want to say thank you for rocking with us for
Speaker 1: so many years. This show changed my whole life. I'm
Speaker 1: unbelievably grateful for every moment. I'm unbelievably grateful for Bravo,
Speaker 1: for NBA Universal, for our crew, the entire cast, and
Speaker 1: most importantly all of you. We rock this bitch out.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a great me too. Now juxtapposed
Speaker 1: that against Arianna. Okay, this is what she had to say.
Speaker 1: I was up till four o'clock in the morning looking
Speaker 1: for all the right pictures.
Speaker 3: Not this voice changed.
Speaker 1: Carlos GiB said, why are you telling me the first
Speaker 1: sentence that you stayed up all I'm looking for photos.
Speaker 1: That's not a humble woman who feels I digress. I
Speaker 1: was up till four o'clock in the morning looking for
Speaker 1: all the right pictures and the right words. But there's
Speaker 1: no post or caption that could ever encapsulate everything. I'm
Speaker 1: further grateful to Bravo, l Sabana, Pump Evolution, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: the showrunners, every single remember producer, and our showrunners. She
Speaker 1: did not mention the cast was at Gibson. I'm bother
Speaker 1: fucking sorry. I have an issue with that. If it
Speaker 1: wasn't for this cast, who's whose coat tails? You were
Speaker 1: writing for all of these seasons before Tom decided to
Speaker 1: stick his pen in another woman while I'm together. This
Speaker 1: cast carried the show while you were in the back
Speaker 1: seat wearing a seatbelt drinking up fucking Deer Park bottle water.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? You have the audacity to sit
Speaker 1: up and say I'm looking for photos. I want to
Speaker 1: thank Lisa, Bravo, NBC, the crew, which, yes, the crew
Speaker 1: is everything, but not your fellow cast members. I did
Speaker 1: not like that, And you can say what you want
Speaker 1: about La La, I can't, she said to the entire cast,
Speaker 1: and that to me is a woman that is going
Speaker 1: to eat this humble pie that she's been fed. And
Speaker 1: La La with alone, my advice to you listen to
Speaker 1: your team because you at least have enough sense to
Speaker 1: make sure to bring it back to the cast.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I don't agree that Ariana road
Speaker 2: road coketail. That's not my interpretation of Ariana's time on
Speaker 2: the show. But and I don't we want shady reality stars.
Speaker 2: It's shady that she didn't that she didn't mention the cast,
Speaker 2: and if it were me, I would have, but she didn't.
Speaker 3: She's still she's still, you know, holding.
Speaker 2: On to that, and I like the shade. That's that's
Speaker 2: a good reality star to me as well. So we
Speaker 2: we have a different you know, responses to that post.
Speaker 1: And you know what, that's okay, okay, No, you and
Speaker 1: I are able to have a healthy debate that that
Speaker 1: did rub me the wrong way, and.
Speaker 3: I understand that. I understand that I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's an ensemble show. You are not
Speaker 1: Diana Roth and are the supremes like, get out of
Speaker 1: her sister. I'm over it. So last one. I want
Speaker 1: to say because I thought this was funny, is it, Katie?
Speaker 2: Yes, because it's funny. Now your Carlos's Mike just fell
Speaker 2: down because he's freaking out.
Speaker 3: No, it's funny, Carlos, it's funny.
Speaker 1: Knock me off my feet. Okay, So so Katie said,
Speaker 1: and I thought that's my first of all, Katie made
Speaker 1: this her stories, not even posted her feet. And my
Speaker 1: girl said, that's a mixed bag. But I wouldn't change
Speaker 1: a thing. Thank you for the memories and the love
Speaker 1: for the last love years. Like it's ax yeah, like whatever,
Speaker 1: girl like. So, I haven't seen anything from the Toms
Speaker 1: yet to my team, let me know if you. If
Speaker 1: you see anything, send it to media tax. But yesterday
Speaker 1: we did find out and Gibson, is this true that
Speaker 1: Tom Schwortz and Tom send the Ball restaurant. It's good.
Speaker 3: They're shutting it down.
Speaker 2: In December they announced, I think one day before you,
Speaker 2: one day before this news came out, they announced they're
Speaker 2: shotting down the restaurant, Shorts and Sandy's.
Speaker 3: So but the TMZ article said that.
Speaker 2: The Phantom Homp Rules cast was informed that the show
Speaker 2: is being recast last night, which would have been after
Speaker 2: they announced the restaurant news. So I think I saw
Speaker 2: some people speculating that like it was all timed together.
Speaker 2: But if the cast just found out last night, they
Speaker 2: would have made this decision about the restaurant probably weeks ago,
Speaker 2: you know, so maybe they saw the writing on the wall.
Speaker 3: But I don't know if those two things are related.
Speaker 2: I think it's just like a double hit of bad
Speaker 2: news for the Toms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now listen, it's it's it's you never want to
Speaker 1: see a business suffer through, you know, a situation to
Speaker 1: where it is no longer is able to like, you know,
Speaker 1: monetize anything.
Speaker 3: Of course, not in the employee. I feel bad for
Speaker 3: the employees of that restaurant.
Speaker 1: Okay, So last one, Sandival said with a heavy heart,
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's about the restaurant. That's what is that way.
Speaker 1: He hasn't said any I'm going through all his stories.
Speaker 1: As at the time of this recording, Tom Sandaval has
Speaker 1: not released a statement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like nobody. I haven't seen anything else
Speaker 2: from anybody else. I want she in a statement.
Speaker 1: Baby Sina wanted this more than Leasta Vanda Pump did.
Speaker 2: And and you know what she knows, actually one of
Speaker 2: those rare people who she did start the show. It
Speaker 2: was all based on her sleeping with Brandy's X or whatever,
Speaker 2: and she she never became bigger than the show, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like she I think that, you know,
Speaker 2: people make jokes like has anybody checked on gena and
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff, but like, ultimately, Sheena
Speaker 2: was kind of down to do whatever it tip took
Speaker 2: for the sake of the show to continue it, and
Speaker 2: she was also I think that's kudos to her. You know,
Speaker 2: I think that she's she's easily the butt of the
Speaker 2: joke a lot of the time, but ultimately, like she
Speaker 2: was pretty damn good at her job.
Speaker 1: I'm keam Sheena as well. I think she's great. Give
Speaker 1: the girl her props, I mean totally. I mean, allegedly
Speaker 1: she had no idea that Eddie was married, So I say,
Speaker 1: give one of prosperous cheating.
Speaker 3: Not to take it back.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that.
Speaker 3: But look, but look what we got out of it,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And now listen, Uh, well, life give you limits, Hey, Beyonce,
Speaker 1: make lemonade. As we come to a close, Gibson, John
Speaker 1: and Vanda Pump Rules no longer is going to have
Speaker 1: the same cast. This cast was as brilliant as the
Speaker 1: casting in Jersey Shore. You know what I mean when
Speaker 1: you when you look at when you look back on
Speaker 1: reality television, band, the Pump Rules original cast will always
Speaker 1: go down as top five the best cast in history
Speaker 1: of reality television. And I would like to thank the
Speaker 1: cast for giving us some great moments. I would like
Speaker 1: to thank the producers, the entire crew, Lisa, Vanda Pump,
Speaker 1: Andy Cohen and all Bravo for really providing us with
Speaker 1: a show that really and you don't know this, Gibson.
Speaker 1: So in my business there was always always always talks
Speaker 1: of what's our.
Speaker 2: Version of Vanda Pump Rules totally?
Speaker 1: Like that was the message that went around the production
Speaker 1: companies like myself, like find me the other version of that.
Speaker 1: So you have to give the network and the cast
Speaker 1: and at least amound of the Pump and the crew
Speaker 1: all the props to that. Are you looking forward to
Speaker 1: a new crop of people? It's scary times on our business,
Speaker 1: So to invest in a new cast hoping that the
Speaker 1: audience receives them. Is it is it too risky or
Speaker 1: do you think is going to pay off in the end.
Speaker 3: I mean, I hope.
Speaker 2: So I always come from the perspective of like wanting
Speaker 2: a show to succeed because I love watching reality TV
Speaker 2: and I'd like to watch a good show, you know.
Speaker 2: So I hope that they figure it out. I hope that, like,
Speaker 2: you know, hopefully the people who work at these restaurants
Speaker 2: are just easily castable, and they kind of had that
Speaker 2: in the back of the mind when they hired them,
Speaker 2: and it was like it can kind of like hit
Speaker 2: the ground running. I mean, that's I hope that's the case.
Speaker 2: And they'll never recreate the magic of early bandit rules ever,
Speaker 2: because that was a different time in our culture.
Speaker 3: Social media was so different.
Speaker 2: Reality TV meant something totally different when it related as
Speaker 2: it related to like general fame, and it's I think
Speaker 2: now it's just seen as a much more like viable
Speaker 2: path to superstardom, and it wasn't. It wasn't taken as
Speaker 2: seriously before in that regard, you know, And that's why
Speaker 2: we see people like Garcel and people going to reality
Speaker 2: TV to get to sort of you know, sustain their
Speaker 2: their fame, and so I hope that they can find
Speaker 2: that a group of green people who just like are
Speaker 2: just kind of down to do it. And I really
Speaker 2: like and it's again this is it is not van
Speaker 2: on pub rules level, So I'm not saying that, but
Speaker 2: I really enjoy Southern Hospitality, which is the show that's
Speaker 2: the Southern Charms been off at Lev's Club Republic in Charleston,
Speaker 2: and they hire everybody who worked there. They all have
Speaker 2: built in mess and connections and they're pretty good at
Speaker 2: reality TV. Again, there's some there's some stuff to work
Speaker 2: out there, but ultimately it's a pretty good show. And
Speaker 2: so there's proof of concept that like it can still
Speaker 2: work in this era of reality TV to find a
Speaker 2: group of young twenty two, twenty three, twenty four year
Speaker 2: olds who like just kind of they don't really think
Speaker 2: before they act basically, and like they can be messy,
Speaker 2: and that's what I want to see. And I think
Speaker 2: that like that's in Charleston, South Carolina, where people don't
Speaker 2: go there to be famous. People go to LA to
Speaker 2: be famous, and so I would I'm cautiously optimistic that
Speaker 2: they can that they there are people who fit that
Speaker 2: mold and just are so driven to like do that,
Speaker 2: to make a name for themselves in whatever capacity possible,
Speaker 2: and it results in mess, and like that's ultimately what
Speaker 2: Vandon Pump Rules is.
Speaker 3: It's mess.
Speaker 2: It's not aspirational to attainable.
Speaker 1: And that's so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm it's sort of like, you know, we'll
Speaker 2: always have Vandam Pupper Rules the first ten seasons. The
Speaker 2: eleventh season is forgettable. The first ten seasons of the
Speaker 2: show will always have that never recreate that magic.
Speaker 3: But I hope it's good.
Speaker 2: I hope season twelve of the Rules is good because
Speaker 2: and I think they can make it good. That's what
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Long answer, but that's my no.
Speaker 1: Listen, it's a lot of listen. Not in your defense,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of process, a lot to digest. I
Speaker 1: would I would feel better if Ronnie reboot was great.
Speaker 1: It's just it's very tricky. My hope, my hope is this,
Speaker 1: I'll end with this. My hope is that these people
Speaker 1: have organic friendships, organic relationships that they actually know each other,
Speaker 1: they hang out with each other, and it's not a
Speaker 1: bunch of strangers that are trying to become friends, and
Speaker 1: I think that's a mistake with Ronnie and I will
Speaker 1: end with this again, do not touch Jersey Housewives. Leave
Speaker 1: it alone, Melissa Gorga. I love you so much. I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see you back on the show. I
Speaker 1: want the listen Teresa back breaking news. Do not touch. Wow.
Speaker 2: I never thought i'd hear those words at your mouse,
Speaker 2: Carlos King talk about talk about us coming from different perspectives,
Speaker 2: how the times have changed.
Speaker 1: Listen. I am scared. I am nervous about the fate
Speaker 1: of Jersey and after these two breaking news with like
Speaker 1: the horrible reboot of New York City to the reboot
Speaker 1: of Bad Rules. At this point, give me Teresa March
Speaker 1: Melissa Gorgon and I'll listen. I'll deal with this ship later.
Speaker 2: I just Carlos, you're you're giving that meme of Tyra
Speaker 2: where she walks in, She's like, who else was scared?
Speaker 1: Gives it? I love you two pieces, my friend, I
Speaker 1: really do.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
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Speaker 1: thank you so much, and.
Speaker 3: Rain Dry, thank you.
Speaker 1: I will see you on the next one. Good night.
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